Internet Engineering Task Force IETF 114, 13 Jul 2022

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TESTING meeting session at IETF114
2022/07/13 1500

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/proceedings/

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Okay, uh I have my clock, says we're right at the top of the hour and uh we're prettiest pretty small group, so I think we should just um to get started. The join rate is uh not not high and uh first I want to thank you for joining um this session.

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uh We we conduct these sessions pretty much before every uh meeting or have done since um 2020, and the goal is at this point really is just to get give people a chance to um become reacquainted from medical if, if they haven't used it for a while and and to point out any uh new uh features that um have been incorporated based on community community input since the last time we used it for an itf meeting.

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So we have alessandra amerante here today from midiko, which is great and uh again thanks to everybody for joining, I I've uploaded um or I'm sorry. I have not uploaded. uh I'm sharing some slides um here uh today and I'll run through those really quickly and then and then just run through a few reminders. But um as I mentioned earlier, if you have questions feel free to to drop them in the chat and we'll um we'll pick them up or uh also one of the goals of this session is just test.

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Video and audio setup, so we'd be happy to have folks raise their hands, and then we can.

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Do those kinds of tests as well so uh yeah, so with that I'll get started? um The slides that I'm showing here are generated off of the template that is provided in the working group chairs. uh Sorry, the session chairs checklist, uh which you can find from the preparing web page on the itf website.

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So I encourage you for sure to take a look at those pages and and just review them that they're pretty short, and they have some nuggets that can be useful for just getting ready for uh sessions at the upcoming meeting or even for interim meetings between them uh between ietf meetings. uh Just a reminder that we're being recorded this is record ah marco. uh I apologize yeah, yeah yeah, I see now here I I sent that uh that was my mistake and I copied and pasted too quickly.

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So I just sent out an update with the correct links. Apologies for any trouble! um This is the note. Well again, this session is being recorded and as all its uh meaning sessions are, this session is recovered by the itf note. Well, I suspect everybody here has is pretty familiar with it, but it's always fun to read a couple times a year which which, of course, I do again this session is being recorded.

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These are some tips, you'll see that I'm using earbuds, I'm actually using bluetooth earbuds, um which can work pretty well, uh but there are also sometimes uh advantages to using wired. Your earplugs- and I understand um earbuds sorry- and I understand uh from my younger daughters that those are actually um uh a la mode these days, so uh don't don't be ashamed to use wired, earphones and microphones.

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If you're on site, this is the same, as was as was true at 113, but if you're going to be on site, it is required to use medico to sign in for sessions those that sign in populates the blue sheets and um also provides uh qmat integrated queue, management for both in-person and remote participants.

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I think it worked pretty well at 113 and that's the feedback we got um so this feature is continued to 114 and if you're using you can use either the light version or the uh full version of the medical client and if you're, using the light version, you'll notice that it doesn't send audio or video by default, which is perfect for that situation.

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You can use the full client, but you just have to make sure not to send audio or video, because the in-room av setup will take care of that for you, if you're, actually in the room and of course, remote participants should just whether you're a chair of a session or a full or or a participant. You should use the full version, because um that which is what what I'm using now and what we all should be using.

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Now, since we're all remote uh and that handles everything all in one place, um super handy um I'll, just pause there, because this last slide is really just a review of what I think everybody here saw in the email which is we're having these moderated test sessions, which are really just maybe more guided test sessions, because they're not really moderated, people can jump in whenever they want. uh There will be on-demand testing, beginning july 15th. That is this.

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This friday um and once after friday, the new version of um medical be uh deployed, and you can set up um test sessions and again instructions on how to do that provided in the chair guides uh on the web pages uh at the url that you see here um and you can, you can set that up. It won't create a virtual interim meeting or anything.

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It's simply a test session that you can use to test things out amongst yourselves as chairs, or you can even invite your um presenters to join a test session and you can test everything their setups, your setups, everything if you, if you set one of those up and then in addition, there will be. um I see I see, questions in the chat and I will answer those as I see them so joel uh in the full in the full um client. You don't have to do anything to turn off uh the icons.

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um Oh, I see incoming audio video yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great uh yeah and people are people are already responding. Fantastic thanks for asking the question, though, um if you're asking the question, I'm sure other people have the same one.

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um Then the last item here just in terms of uh other resources. uh We have this at 113 and we're going to do it again. At 1 uh 14. on site there will be a room set up which is exactly like a session room and again uh you can sign up via a notepad again. The link is is available from the chair, chair resources, page on the website, and if you just sign up for a session, that'll reserve that room for you and you can walk into the room.

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You'll see the setup exactly as it is for the meeting and um you can connect to a test session, including um and test out the audio and video in in the room uh and as well with remote, either chairs or remote participants, so uh yeah. I think that takes me uh through all the slides uh that I have uh the two things that I think I know are different and alessandra I'll.

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Give you this warning that if I missed something, please please jump in and let me know the two things that for sure are different.

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The link said, I see that michael thinks, go to on-site link, okay, I'll check that out. If there's, if you can tell me exactly which links are, uh should be changed, uh let me know, michael um so so back to the updates.

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uh The one is that uh medico is now integrated with zulip, so this chat that we're using in medico actually um connects to the um itf zoolip server in a in a stream called testing and just as with previously with xmpp, um the the medico um view you see is connected to the to the more general group chat service previously was xmpp jabber and now it's zulip, um so you can also use uh the zulip web interface or a zoolop client to connect to those same streams, um and the other change is that on the uh lite client, you can also find a link to the to the chat stream.

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So uh previously there wasn't a link there, and now there is so. uh That answer is a a pretty common request. We had to make uh that link uh available for on-site participants who are using the lite client, and um so that you can have you don't need to necessarily fire up a separate um client or use the full version of me to go to get access to the to the chat stream for any session that you wanted to. You were using the like client for um and alexander those.

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I think those are the two big changes uh am I missing. Did I miss anything else?.

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uh Yeah, I know, as you said, uh those are the the biggest changes. uh uh Let me check my notes and uh yeah.

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We made some changes about these lights sharing uh feature because we were asked to give chairs the possibility to take the control of the slides back once they handed it over to somebody else, and this is now available in each earth interface and also there is now a button to do a sort of a bulk update of all slide decks that are available on the data tracker, even though this should not be needed, because now we have fixed the wrong behavior that we had at last meeting where slides were not automatically being pulled from the data tracker at the room's opening and uploaded into miteko how this has been fixed.

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So there should be no need to to do any update any upload manually by the chairs and.

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Yeah another minor thing is that now pronouns that you set in the data tracker should be displayed if you over hover any any participant in the participant list. If, of course, if any pronouns has been set in the data tracker profile, so I don't see any actually for the current online participants.

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So I cannot double check that, but I can try to join with another user.

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To join this session, just now and- uh and I got the as others got- that we got the light uh connection, I actually was told that I needed to rotate my browser on my desktop before I could use it, and I couldn't do anything with it. um So that was really difficult and I had no way of getting to the full, no, no no way of finding or discovering the full name, except that I know the urls well enough that I just guessed um so yeah.

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I and of course, of course, as soon as I did the other thing then I got kicked out of the other tab. When I went back to try to to tell you what it was again, it logged me into the other thing that was rotated.

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It kicked me out of this one, so I think it would be good to have uh um I mean I think I guess you want to encourage people to use the light version who are on site, but I think it would be very good to have to be able to switch back and forth much more clearly, um if that's a possibility, if you can just throw a link or something or I don't know what.

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um Otherwise, I think that most people are going to on site are going to learn very quickly to just use the full version and hope they remember to turn off their microphone.

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Yeah I have to apologize again, michael thanks for pointing that out. I uh it was my mistake to send the in sending the wrong version. It's a wrong link, the light link um so sorry for the trouble there, um but it's an interesting point about if people unintentionally, click on the uh the icon, for example in um in data tracker from their desktop on and to reach the lite version uh since they're next to each other uh handling. That case might be worth looking into for sure.

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Andy thanks for raising your hand, please go ahead.

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A couple quick questions: first of all, can you hear and see me? Okay,.

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Yeah you look great.

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Perfect- and the second question is, um if I am the person who has the slides loaded and I'm projecting the slides and there's someone who's speaking who's in the room, who has the the like client on their phone? How do I hand over control of the of the of putting the slides to the person.

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To the speaker, or is that not possible.

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Yeah, surely it's possible? uh You said if the the people that should present uh has the delight client right. Yes, on your phone yeah as a chair, you can just go to on the participants list and you'll see a a control that allows you to pass the slides control to somebody else, and this is only available to chat. So when the system recognizes you as chair, so now this is available to greg, for instance,.

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Like you have to be sharing slides.

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Not sharing screen exactly.

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Yeah and I.

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Think that there's.

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That may still be confused about that.

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Yeah yeah, what I've done in the past is, I pre-loaded all the slides and then I shared the slides directly from mute. Echo.

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Yeah and that's correct, and this way is lights will also be displayed in the room, and everything should work if you want to just pass the control to somebody else. Just go just find him in the participants list and hand handy control over screen.

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Perfect, that's all I need to know. Thank you exactly and.

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You can also take the control back when it's done if it doesn't stop manually, the controlling of the slides, excellent cool.

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uh The one tip I'll say is that it's only possible to have one, um because I I run into this personally, so you have to um be sure that you're just sharing one um set of slides at a time so.

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Yeah: okay, great.

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Great question.

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Thank you, andy.

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uh Let me just get back to the slides and then see if I can find my chat window great. um I do not see any other questions in chat. um Does. Does anybody have a question or I don't see anybody in the queue? uh Does anybody have a question? Does anybody want to test their audio or video while we're all here.

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I'm gonna try the pool.

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Feature just to.

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Oh, that's: uh that's wrong!.

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I didn't for my home, okay, uh so I've started a poll uh just to see who would be attending uh 114 or participating in 114 in person. um So uh that should be going on right now uh and you should have been notified.

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We'll give it a few minutes, so you can hop in.

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uh Just testing out we'll give a five we'll use the counter countdown counter, we'll give it five minutes. uh So there should be a countdown counter now in the bottom of the screen. So you can see that feature in running just trying to push all the buttons here.

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Still don't see anybody in the queue uh don't see any questions.

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So uh alessandra is there anything else you think we ought to cover while we're here.

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Nope, don't think so: okay.

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Yeah hi shipping- please go ahead.

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uh Can you hear me yeah very well, I'm a new chair, so I know nothing. Let me ask some silly question. First, uh how do I uh start the mi echo in as a chair rather than a you know, a common participant.

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ah That's a great question, uh so there is magic.

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What happens is that when you uh click on the url, either through the data tracker agenda or somewhere else for a session, you log in using your data, tracker credentials and medico can tell from your roles in data tracker if you should be chair for a particular session or should have that those capabilities. So when I clicked on or I loaded the url for this session, I've been identified as a chair for this session, and so I automatically have the chair rules and abilities, and this is um this is a great.

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uh This would be a great example of where setting up a test session in medico might be super helpful, because you can set up a test session as a chair, and then you can see what medical look like looks like as a chair.

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Thank you very much. The second question is, I saw you just now. You start a timer, so how can I start this timer because we may need to you know, control people's time.

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Yeah, that's a great question. You should see as a chair uh and what I'll do is I'll. Stop sharing this screen and I will share my full screen. So you will see.

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You should see my pointer, you can see that the controls I have up here. There's this countdown clock uh control and you can start the timer uh through the controls uh available in this in this model, so you'll it'll pop up and uh it'll appear for everybody once you start and you can set it to be any time.

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Where do you click to start? The the timer didn't see.

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ah Okay, uh yes, okay, yeah this! These are the general uh controls that you'll see so you'll see it'll be slightly different if you join the session as chair, uh but it'll be uh this kind of where, where most of the controls are for the session.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any any other questions, or no um so for sure you uh were able to use the the hand, raising tool and also the audio stream tool. So that's great uh I'll leave this view.

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Another question: how.

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Do I share the slides.

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Oh fantastic, um so there are, there are uh two ways to do that uh and I confess I'm not as adept as as possible. The preferred way to do that is to open the meeting materials uh and I'm not I'm not doing this correct correctly.

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So, alessandro, I will ask you to help me out, because I have forgotten how to do that myself. To be honest,.

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Yeah, what was the question? I was distracted. Actually yeah.

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The question is how how to share slides, and I want to share both sharing pre-loaded, slides and um yeah.

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This light, so you have the uh share preload this lights button just next to the webcam icons, where all the controls are. You have the microphone, the webcam. The share screen, share, slides and join the queue.

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Okay, let me um yeah, uh let me see if I can show this in action. Thank you, okay. This will be so try that yeah. I can't show you the actually how that works, but there right there is the icon, and this is the this is. The point I made earlier is that this stream for sharing the desktop is now occupied by me showing my screen.

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So I have to stop that and then, uh if I do stop that, then I can share a preloaded slide, but I can't show you what that looks like, but here I will just share the slides and you can see what it looks like and then for me as chair I can or s because I have slide control. I can control which slide is being shown.

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Yeah, actually, uh shipping, if rex stops sharing his slides. If you hit the same button, that's the the shares like ask to share slides. I think it's named in your ui. You just have to be moderated, so you you need somebody to accept your requests and then you'll see the very same interface that you'll see automatically as chair without any need to for approval. In that case, yeah.

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So if you want to.

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Try that I can also trigger it to you if you want so.

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Yep- and I see that we are looking at your slides.

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So now you should you should, as alessandra mentioned, you should have control over the slides through a bar at the bottom of the window.

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Yeah and you can also use arrows on the keyboard if you want.

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um I am a little bit confused, so am I selling the slides now yeah.

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You you are controlling the slides that have been loaded into medico, so this is this. Is the yeah.

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So, just now, because I selected this ietf114 test session, so I think that it's now shown on the slide. But I think that at the beginning, uh which button do you click to exit all the buttons at the top? Like the.

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Yeah it's one of the buttons at the top. Now I triggered the button for you just to to show this other possibility, but if I now stop this light sharing, if you hit the it should be the second button from the from the left just next to the hand icon.

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Yeah, it looks like a little document with a line through it. If you're not sharing.

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Okay, thank you.

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And- and one of the important points that you've brought up is that pre-loading slides is really a much better way to share slides during the session. So if you are sharing a session- and you have presenters that will be using slides- obviously it's nice to have them loaded into data tracker, because then everybody can see them even if they're not using the full go interface, for example they're in the room using the light interface and want to see the slides separately, but also it just makes it much smoother.

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uh So you don't rely on your network connection to to share the slides right, understood: okay, fantastic thanks for asking that question. That's a great question and um definitely an important point.

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And I see marco in the chat has provided a link to the uh guide for chairs of medical sessions. So that's that's also useful and might provide some info about topics you hadn't thought about or didn't encounter, but um would be good to know uh our our session. Let me go back to the show of hands tool and see I'll end the session.

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uh So uh it looks like um eight of the folks here will be on site and then are in person, so should say and uh three didn't raise their hand, so um uh they will be. I suppose, remote at this point. So that's actually um uh great.

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I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of people uh to catch up with people in person and and of course, if you're remote you can um hang out in, I think the gather space will still be available um and the medico sessions uh during the week will help you join the the actual um working sessions. uh So uh we're now about 30 minutes into the into the session and I'm hap I'm happy to hang out um for the remainder. uh I think it's getting close to the end of the day for alessandro.

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So um if there are any other questions in particular for alessandro, please please feel free to ask.

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One point I didn't uh that I think is um called out. This is a final point I should have mentioned earlier. Is that in alessandro again, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are sharing a session and you've logged into medico and you have the chat available and a question comes up or an issue comes up that you can't um that you need help with uh you.

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Can you put midiko uh the word midiko in the chat and then ask your question or raise the issue, and there is always someone from midoko monitoring the chat for all the sessions, so that'll get their attention and they are usually super quick to respond and resolve anything.

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And I saw alessandro nodding, so I I got that mostly right. Yeah thanks.

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Great well, um like I said, I think I think we're we've covered everything. That's super important. I will personally I'm happy to hang on to the session uh for uh another 25 or 30 minutes or so in case someone happens to join late, um but I want to thank you all for coming and testing this out. I'm looking forward to seeing uh eight of you at in philadelphia and the others online, so uh yeah.

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If uh any questions come up between now and then um feel free to drop a line to support ietf.org by email and we can get questions and issues resolved. That way. I encourage you to set up your own test session for your working group in advance, either on-site or using the.

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Online tool available starting friday after the 15th, so thanks again for taking time out of your day to make sure things run smoothly for you at 114 and if anything comes out that we can help with. Please let us know so.

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Thank you. Everybody thanks.

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Hi um uh see someone has just joined, um let me know if you'd like to test sending audio or video or uh if you wanna, test them, hey, hey,.

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Yeah, this is tj yeah, thanks for sending your.

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Email yeah tj thanks uh thanks and my apologies again. It was totally uh totally my bad.

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uh Do you want, uh are you? uh Are you looking to test anything in particular or do you wanna see a feature happy to run through anything you'd like.

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um Specifically so.

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So um so I'm sharing the I'll be sharing the a and their w, so one um presenter will be presenting their paper remotely. So um how can I you know, teach them to do so.

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Yeah yeah, so the most important thing I would say is to uh make sure that if they're going to be using slides um to have those slides uploaded to the data tracker ahead of time and then what will happen is you will be able to see and I'm going to stop. So I can show you what that looks like you'll be able to see.

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Sorry, oh crap, okay, hold on sorry. uh No, that's not what I want. This is what I want. So I'm going to show you what it looks like um so if they, uh if they upload their slides, you can see that there's the share preloaded slides um icon in the upper left underneath your name.

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If you click on that yeah, if you click on that, what will happen is you'll get a list of slides that are available to share, and I can't show you because I can only show you either my desktop or the slides, so it won't allow me it won't. Allow me to do both, but if they preload the slides into data tracker, then it will be those slide that slide deck will be available to share and what you can do is um you can start sharing those slides and I'll?

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Show you how it looks from the user perspective. You can start sharing the slides and then pass control to the presenter so that they can control the slides uh and here's what else so, for example, uh yep. So I'm gonna share the slides that I've made for this session and I'm going to pass control to you. uh Oh, I should have showed you that too um yeah. Actually, let me let me stop and show you that.

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It's it's very awkward because um uh I can't show you everything, but uh there is a guy there's a chairs guy that that lays this out. um Yes, I want to do that and I want to do the whole deal, but not that one. So, okay, so now I'm gonna! If I once I start sharing slides uh from the share slides icon up here.

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uh What I do is then go here and you can, for a particular user, say: oh pass control, slides so I'll. Do that now and you'll see what it looks like it is: a user. um So, okay, so I'm sharing the slides now I've rolled over your name. I see this past slides control. So now you will have slides uh controls at the bottom of the slide and you can advance the slides.

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Yeah, so it's pretty handy and then, as a chair you can, you can revoke the permission to share slides so you I will take slide. Control back and you'll, see this so now I have slides control again. So um it's pretty handy. The key is to upload the slides before and then once that's done, it's all really really nice.

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The other thing to say is if you are expecting video, because I know the nrw folks are um crazy and use things like video during presentations.

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uh You should just make sure to let um meet echo know about that ahead of time, because midiko as a as a webrtc client uh doesn't doesn't really handle video very well and and medico can. If you can get them the video ahead of time, they can do some things so that it works great for everybody.

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I have two more follow-up questions, so one.

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So um what if um the authors would like to present all offline, then how can you broadcast this? You know broadcast this thing's presentation through this platform.

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Yeah, so if they want to use slides that are not uploaded to data tracker, um that's possible, it's definitely not recommended because it ends up, meaning that if it puts higher demand on their network connection- and it's just not as it's not as seamless like if someone has to take over for them, you can't pass control, but it's definitely possible and the way to do that is you'll see.

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There's a share screen icon just below your name. It looks like a monitor of computer monitor and if you click on that, you can request and you can try it out and see what it looks like right now. If you click on that, I us chair will get a request to allow you to share your screen. I see, and the other trick about that is that you need to. You can only share us, pre-loaded, slides or share a screen.

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uh You can't do both at the same time, so I would have to stop the slideshare.

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So the officer shouldn't use the keynote or powerpoint for their presentation. They have to connect this platform and uh share their screen, even if they would like to present on site right. So.

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Yeah, if they're presenting on-site, it's actually uh even um more recommended so that for them to use um the medico's slide, sharing the other thing I'll say is that um in the itf anyway, I think it's also true in the irtf.

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um The general idea is that slides are available as part of the meeting agenda in advance so that that's just sort of the norm.

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um So if they're, if they're presenting like powerpoint or a keynote format that they have to convert to pdf, I think to upload to data tracker anyway and once they do that it automatically shows up in midico. So everything that's available in data tracker is is available via midiko automatically.

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um The last one is what, if so, um so what if the presenter is, you know would like to present remotely. But let's say his network connection is not that good. So our plan is to request and recruit the video and posted youtube. Just in case. Is it possible to use this platform and play the video here or yeah.

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Yeah for sure, and that's ideal, if you upload the video to youtube and then you have a url, you can share with the medical folks. They are happy to there's a medical person. That's in every session, so people who actually run the platform monitor the session. So if you just tell them hey, we have these uh three or four videos that we want to play during our session uh and I think they've done this in the past.

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So it's it's not new uh they'll just uh be monitoring the session and when you say hey play this video they'll play that video and it'll show up through the platform which includes in the room in philadelphia. um So that's that's, definitely not a problem uh and is a great way to handle that stuff.

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So if something doesn't go well, I don't need to be panicked. So.

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No, if you, if you preload the slides and you have the video shared with midiko in advance, um everything should go super smoothly. um The other thing to say is that, like I said, someone is in medico and usually they're monitoring pretty closely especially anrw sessions because they're, um like I said, it's a little different, but if, if you are in the session and in the chat for the session, if you type mideco uh that they have a, they have a bot that alerts them.

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So as soon as that string, medico shows up in a chat uh like sirens and red lights, go off in the control room that they have and they will come and take a look. um So that's always that's always a possibility.

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Got it so should I type a chat here? Oh I'm, sorry.

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If you type it.

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Yeah I'm using this yeah first thing.

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Yeah, if you type medico into the chat, I believe alessandra will pop back in he's he's monitoring as a zulu abuser, but I expected that he will pop back in got.

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It yep, that's all. Thank you so much.

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No problem uh any other questions.

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I guess that's it. um So if I have some more follow-up questions, should I uh to sign up this table um the chairs, testing.

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uh Unfortunately, not yeah, oh okay, yeah, so I have to cheer remotely, um but uh I I think I can find someone who'll be on site so that he can help but anyway, so so I'm saying the nose dot, itf, org itf, tears testing and I see a big table for impersonation testing, so it is for in person. So, okay, it doesn't apply to me.

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All right, I I guess, then that's it yeah. Thank you. So much.

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uh Yeah, no problem tj. If something comes up before uh uh the meeting starts, let me know I've.

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I've just dropped a line to alessandro um who is sort of lead contact for us on on medico to to alert him that uh there will be there will be um videos for the a rw sessions um so uh and if you, if you, if there is someone on site uh or even if you even if you want to test, but you will be remote, um you can go ahead and grab one of those slots in the testing and um you can you can test as a remote chair, uh okay, you know in room setup, um I I don't know if it's possible, I know.

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Ietf working group chairs and irtf working group chairs can set up um test sessions ahead of time, so they can see and run through everything as a chair and coordinate with presenters. I don't know if that's true for a rw uh I'll I'll ask about that. Yep. Thank.

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All right, okay! uh Well, thanks for joining sorry about the trouble. If anything comes up, no, we can help with you. Let us let us know.

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Yep, thank you so much for your help. Okay,.

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