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From YouTube: IETF114-EMODIR-20220724-1630
Description
EMODIR meeting session at IETF114
2022/07/24 1630
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/proceedings/
A
A
D
E
E
We're
going
to
get
started
in
just
a
minute:
this
is
the
newcomers
overview
for
ihf
114.
So
if
you
just
if
you
have
not
done
this,
you
need
to
screen
the
qr
code.
This
is
the
way
we
keep
track
of
attendance
in
each
meeting
and
you'll
get
practice
for
it.
We
have
these.
We
used
to
have
these
things
called
blue
sheets,
which
is
the
way
we
kept
track
of
who
was
in
the
room
and
that's
important
for
a
number
of
reasons
actually,
and
because
we
are
a
standards
process.
E
We
we
need
to
do
that.
So
you'll
see
this
at
the
entrance
to
every
meeting
this
week
and
on
the
boards
and
things
so
and
that
way
you
are
recorded
as
having
been
in
the
room
for
this
particular
discussion
and
when
you
think
about
app
and
open
standards,
it's
important
to
know
who's
in
the
room
for
the
discussion.
E
E
And
as
we
go
through,
this
feel
free
to
go
to
the
microphone.
If
you
have
any
questions
any
of
you
that
are
remote,
you
can
feel
free
to
put
yourself
in
the
virtual
queue.
I
guess
we
should
practice
the
q
methodology
while
we're
here
as
well.
So
you
need
to
use
your
phone
to
put
yourself
in
the
queue,
and
this
will
give
us
two
advantages
during
the
week.
One
we
won't
have
everybody
lined
up
all
crowded
around
the
microphone
for
coveted
reasons
and
then
the
second
one
is.
E
E
So
there's
one
other
thing
and
I
meant
to
review
it
and
stick
a
slide
in
the
slides
and
I
didn't
get
it
done,
and
that
is
the
covet
policy
which
is
which
is
posted
everywhere.
So
we
do
ask
everybody,
when
you're
in
meeting
rooms,
to
please
wear
a
mask
well,
when
we're
speaking
we're
going
to
take
it
off
to
make
it
a
little
bit
clearer,
but
we're
pretty
far
away
from
you
and
then
we'll
put
it
back
on
so
so
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
E
So
I
welcome
you
to
the
newcomers
overview.
I
am
karen
o'donoghue.
I
have
been
participating
in
the
ietf
for
a
number
of
years.
I
have
been
an
ihf
chair
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
education,
mentoring
and
outreach
activities
for
a
number
of
years
as
well.
The
I
think
I
don't
think
we
have
yeah
next
slide.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
clicker
yeah,
okay,
so
next
slide.
So
this
is
the
overview
of
the
presentation
we
have
it
divided
into
four
parts.
E
We
have
a
these
parts
online
as
well.
That's
a
little
bit
outdated
and
we're
revising
it
and
we're
going
to
pull
out
the
meeting
specific
information
so
that
the
videos
online
will
be.
E
Then
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
structure
of
the
ietf
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
meeting
week
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
additional
resources.
That
would
be
helpful.
So
I
introduced
myself.
I
actually
wanted
to
also
introduce
my
co-presenter
rich,
who
can
introduce
himself
actually.
D
Sure
hi,
I
assume
that
works.
My
name
is
rich
sals.
I've
been
also
involved
in
the
itf
for
a
really
long
time,
and
I
have
had
a
couple
of
different
work.
Group
chairs
got
involved
in
the
what's
now.
Emo
der
education,
mentoring
and
outreach
a
few
years
ago
have
been
giving
the
co-presenting
this
tutorial
for
several
years.
E
Yes,
so
also,
if
anybody
is
interested
in
helping
with
the
emo
directivities,
we're
we'll
ask
again
at
the
end,
but
any
feedback
you
have
on
information
that
you
might
have
missed
or
things
that
would
help
you
sort
of
find
your
way
around
the
ietf.
Please
be
sure,
because
that
all
helps
us
make
those
activities
next
slide.
E
Oh
they're,
right
there.
I
don't
know
why
I'm
looking
backwards
so
anyway,
the
scope
of
this
presentation
is
specifically
to
help
you
prepare
for
this
meeting
and
to
make
this
meeting.
Or
you
know
your
general
introduction
to
the
ihf
the
most
effective.
E
There
we
go
so
the
first
thing
that
you
will
have
seen
this
when
you
registered,
actually,
even
so
the
this,
the
notewell
is
the
general
set
of
policies
and
rules
that
the
ietf
follows.
If
you
have
you
need
to
at
some
point
read
through
these
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
it's
this
plus
the
list
of
policies
that
are
referenced.
E
F
C
E
E
Best
current
practice,
so
just
as
a
slight
tangent,
if
you
look
at
the
ietf
types
of
documents,
we
have
standards
track,
we
have
informational,
we
have
experimental
and
sometimes
a
draft
will
be
labeled
as
a
best
current
practice.
It
might
be
a
best
current
practice
about
a
technology
or
it
might
be
a
best
current
practice
for
how
the
ietf
operates
so
anyhow.
So
that's
our
list
of
policies
if
you
go
the
next
slide,
so
these
specifically
are
the
newcomer
activities
for
this
ietf.
E
This
is
the
newcomers
overview
tutorial
which
you
are
currently
attending
the
there
is
a
quick
connections
today
at
four
o'clock.
There
is
a
sign
up
process
for
that.
We
strongly
encourage
you
to
attend
that
it's
it's
it's
sort
of
like
a
quick
meeting
with
a
bunch
of
iutfer,
so
you
walk
around
a
room
and
you
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
to
some
experienced
ietfers
and
then
you
move
on
to
another
group.
We've
had
pretty
good
success
with
that
tomorrow
evening
we
have
a
newcomers
dinner,
that's
also
a
sign
up.
E
You
should
have
gotten
an
email
about
that
if
you're
not
getting
the
newcomers
emails.
I
strongly
encourage
you
to
see
the
lady
in
purple
at
the
front
of
the
room
she
didn't
know.
I
was
going
to
point
her
out,
but
there
she
is
she's
going
to
be
helping
with
some
of
the
newcomer
activities
going
forward,
and
so,
if
you're,
not
getting
the
newcomer
emails,
please
see
michelle.
E
There
is
a
remote
newcomers.
Coffee
break.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
really
struggling
with,
as
are
a
lot
of
activities,
is
how
to
incorporate
how
to
blend
our
in-person
and
our
remote
attendees
and
how
to
make
the
experience
beneficial
for
both
of
them,
and
I
will
have
to
admit,
I
think,
we're
struggling
a
bit
with
the
remote.
E
We
really
aren't
quite
exactly
sure
how
to
best
serve
the
remote
newcomers,
so
we
do
plan
to
have
a
coffee
break
for
them
and
for
you
all
for
those
of
you
who
are
remote
in
gather.
I
know
there's
more
details
in
that
in
the
newcomers,
email
that
you
should
have
received
we're
going
to
do
an
oncom
on-site
newcomers
feedback
session
on
thursday
morning.
E
There
will
be
a
little
bit
of
food
there,
so
you
can
come
for
that
and
then
we're
going
to
do
a
remote
newcomers
feedback
session
and
it's
not
just
for
remote
people,
but
we're
just
going
to
do
a
follow-up
session.
That's
going
to
be
online
strictly
online
and
we'll
do
that
in
the
next
couple
weeks
and
we'll
get
that
scheduled
and
sent
out
next
slide.
E
D
Okay,
take
a
breath
thanks
next
all
right,
so
the
mission
of
the
ietf.
We
have
a
mission
statement.
Like
everybody
does
these
days,
we
want
to
make
the
internet
work
better
and
what
that
means
is
we're
going
to
produce.
We
want
to
produce
high
quality,
technically
relevant
documents.
That
means,
if
somebody
technically
relevant
means,
if
somebody
has
an
idea
on
how
to
get
more
effective
use
of
car
braking
systems,
that's
probably
not
relevant
to
the
itf,
but
it
does
cover
a
fairly
wide
area.
For
example,
there's
a
recent
flurry
of
activity
about
drones.
D
D
D
D
Self-Selected
membership
is
based
on
individuals.
So
you
don't
see
things
like
when
the
c
plus
standard
is
reviewed.
The
vote
tallies,
are
china
says
yes,
u.s
says
yes,
russia
says
abstains,
and
so
on
it's
by
individuals.
We
also
don't
vote
and
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
later.
Well,
we
do
have
consensus.
Our
goal
is
rough
consensus,
which
means
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
had
a
chance
to
say,
but
not
that
everyone's.
D
You
know
everyone's
voice
has
been
heard,
but
not
that
everyone
gets
to
veto
every
single
decision,
the
real
the
primary
driver,
yeah
yeah,
please
a
couple
of
ways:
the
one
let's
see
lee
the
woman
in
white,
the
membership
fee
here,
there's
some
membership
fees
right.
You,
you
join
the
ietf
by
subscribing
to
mailing
lists
of
the
groups,
you're
interested
in
the
conference
fees
pay
for
a
lot
of
pay.
For
some
of
it.
D
We
get
significant
grants
from
the
internet
society,
because
the
internet
society
knows
that
without
the
itf,
the
internet
is
much
less
of
the
thing
and
now
the
iatf
also
the
itif,
is
a
legal
entity
underneath
the
internet
society,
but
a
separate
legal
entity
in
terms
of
tax
and
lee
is
in
the
development
leads,
is
the
development
organization
which
is
responsible
for
you
know
seeking
grants.
If
you
look
on
the
banners
they're
hanging
up
around
the
place,
you'll
see
several
companies
recognized.
D
Oracle,
contributes
money
to
help
fund
sustainability.
My
company
and
I
forget
the
other
one
diversity
and
inclusion.
So
if
you
have
onsite,
we
have
on-site
child
care
which
is
funded
out
of
that.
So
it's
corporate
contributions
on
the
global
sponsors
are
people.
Who've
signed
up
for
significant
contributions
to
host
the
ietf
meetings,
which
are
three
times
around
the
world
per
year,
made
significant
contributions
to
fund
that
answer.
Your
question
great.
E
The
one
thing
I
would
just
point
mention
is
not
about
funding
actually
but
about
process,
and
this
this
I
almost
hate
to
do
this,
but
for
the
rest
of
the
meetings
this
week.
If
you
have
any
questions,
if
you
can
go
to
the
queue
and
put
yourself
in
the
queue
in
this
room-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
friendly
group,
a
friendly
introduction.
E
Event
but
the
the
way
the
other
meetings
will
work
is
you'll
need
to
get
in
the
queue
in
order
to
ask
any
questions,
so
I
I
hesitated
to
do
that,
but
I
think
you're
smiling
behind
your
mask.
D
Yeah,
okay
yeah,
when
so
the
the
video
system
we
use
is
called.
Is
we
call
it
meat
echo
it's
by
a
company
called
meat
echo
it's
very
well
integrated
into
the
itf
processes,
and
even
so
remote?
That's
what
you
use!
It's
a
browser-based
application
online
there's
the
online.
What
is
it
in
person
version,
which
is
meat,
echo
light?
D
It
doesn't
bother
doing
the
video
and
the
audio,
because
you're
here
in
the
room,
but
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner
there's
like
a
raise
your
hand
icon,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
speak
at
any
of
the
other
sessions,
you
click
on
the
raise
your
hand
and
the
chairs
up
front
here
will
manage
the
cube,
because
that
same
cue
is
also
for
people
who
are
watching
it
remotely.
D
Okay,
next
slide,
please
so
the
big
picture,
the
iesg
you
may
have
heard
that
term
also
the
term
int
area
directors.
These
are
the
people
responsible
for
steering
the
technical
direction
of
the
ietf.
As
in
what
the
different
working
groups
do
and
work
on
creating
new
working
groups,
and
so
on
that
process,
they
also
approve
the
decisions
for
where
we
meet
the
irsg
related
to
the
internet,
tech
task
force,
ietf,
there's
the
internet,
engineering,
internet
research
task
force
and
they
have
similar
kinds
of
meetings,
they're
all
co-located
here.
D
If
you
register
and
attend
an
ietf
meeting,
you
can
attend
any
of
the
irtf
sessions,
and
so
there
are
things
there
about
privacy,
how
you
measure
the
global
consumption
of
the
you
know:
global
use
of
the
internet
and
things
like
that.
The
internet
architecture
board
is
sort
of
an
oversight
committee
they
held,
handle
the
liaison
program.
So
there
are
lots
of
organizations
that
liaison
with
the
ietf
iso
itu
has
interactions.
You
know
they
define
new
signature
schemes
working
with
nist
post
quantum
that
stuff
all
has
particular
liaisons.
D
D
One
of
the
other
things
ea
iab
does.
Is
they
organize
workshops?
They've
announced
two
one
that's
coming
up
will
be
announced
soon
is
on
sustainability
and
the
applicability
of
you
know
what
happens.
You
know
sustainability
within
the
itf
in
the
internet.
How
do
things
change
when
we
all
are
doing
zoom
rather
than
flying
all
around
the
world
to
attend
places.
D
Next
slide,
okay,
so
the
every
working
group,
which
is
where
the
bulk
of
the,
which
is
where
the
bulk
of
the
technical
work
happens,
falls
under
a
particular
area.
Very
very
rarely
a
working
group
will
be
respond,
will
be
the
responsibility
of
two
areas,
but
the
largest
parceling
of
working
groups
are
is
in
areas,
and
these
are
the
seven
of
them.
I
won't
read
the
list,
that's
why
the
network
crashed.
I
won't
read
the
list.
D
This
is
not
that
bad,
but
we
would
call
this
an
eye
chart
right
because
you
got
to
sit
there
and
try
to
make
out
little
things.
But
if
you
go
to
the
data
tracker
site,
you
can
find
the
list
of
areas
next
slide,
itef
and
consensus.
So
we
work
by
consensus,
rough
consensus
and
running
code.
That's
one
of
the
aphorisms
that
the
iatf
likes
to
use
to
describe
itself.
D
D
It's
documented
in
our
in
an
rfc
rfcs
originally
stood
for
re
request
for
comments
dates
back
30
years
back
when
the
department
us
department
of
defense
was
doing
things
and
some
grad
students
said
well,
here's
the
way
the
computer
will
talk
to
the
gateways.
Would
we
call
it?
Let's
put
it
out
as
a
request
for
comments,
and
so
we
like
to
still
keep
that
sense
of
history.
D
Humming
is
the
way
we
do
it,
so
we
can
do
a
sort
of
a
practice
hum
here,
so
you
can
see
how
it
works
when
it's
all
remote
there's
a
tool
in
the
medico
thing
that
lets
you.
You
know
hum
yes
or
no,
but
the
humming
has
its
advantages.
You
can't
tell
who's
humming
generally,
especially
not
with
people
are
masked.
D
You
can't
control
the
sound,
but
you
know
it's
really
hard
to
hum
very
loud
and
you
can
you
typically,
the
chairs
will
ask
you
know
a
quad
three-part
question:
do
you
think
we
should
adopt
this
document?
Do
you
not
think
we
should
adopt
this
document?
Are
you
unable
to
decide
so,
for
example,
we
can
say
well
that
will
do
a
three-part
hum.
You
know:
do
you
like
karen
more
than
me,
do
you
like
me
more
than
karen,
or
are
you
not
ready
to
decide
yet
so
home?
Now,
if
you
prefer
karen
to
me.
D
D
Okay,
next
slide
I'll
just
point
out:
I
have
candy
okay.
So
let's
talk
about
the
week
yeah
I'm
not
above
it.
D
My
suitcase
upstairs,
but
okay,
so
the
week,
we're
still
obviously
feeling
our
way
through
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
This
is
the
second
time
we've
had
both
in-person
and
remote
attendance.
We
call
it.
Obviously
everyone
like
everyone,
we
call
it
a
hybrid
meeting,
so
there's
probably
still
a
little
rough
edges,
but
the
core
of
the
the
meeting
this
week
and
most
of
the
work
starts
monday
through
late
afternoon.
Friday
are
working
group
sessions.
The
itf
is
divided
into
working
groups,
there's
about
130
of
them
every
one
grouped
into
an
area.
D
D
They
are
like
well,
let's
get
together
and
see,
and
maybe,
if
there's
enough
interest
we'll
propose
a
new
working
group
in
a
particular
area.
Sometimes
it
happens.
Sometimes
it
doesn't
happen.
I
think
you're
leaving
above
right
on
jose
on
signatures
in
in
json-based
signatures.
I
forget
the
thing,
but
that's
that's
close
enough.
You
can
find
them
they're
all
listed
in
the
agenda.
Sometimes
it
doesn't.
We
had
a
buff
that
was
like.
Let's
discuss
internet
file
systems,
think
things
like
dropbox.
D
Google
drive
and
so
on
and
the
conclusion
at
the
end
of
that
was
well.
We
don't
have
anything
to
contribute
and
none
of
the
people
like
dropbox
and
google
drive
are
here,
so
we
could
do
a
spec,
but
nobody
would
use
it,
and
that
goes
against
one
of
our
core
tenants,
which
is
the
best
specifications
of
those
that
are
used.
D
A
D
Limited
liability
corporation
called
the
llc
will
present
on
the
finances
nominating
committee,
of
which
I
am
the
chair
will
say:
hey
you
should
try
out
for
these
positions
and
things
like
that.
Sometimes
there's
a
technical
presentation,
not
this
time.
There
are
also
there's
a
social
event
that
is
it
the
barnes
museum
world's
largest
collection
of
renoir
cesan.
I
forgot
it's
both
the
same.
D
Tickets
are
available
when
you
registered.
If
you
don't
have
one
you
can
post
on
the
mailing
list,
saying
anybody
got
a
special
social
ticket
common
use
of
the
attendees
list.
The
irtf
meets.
Those
are
research
focused
things
on
private
things,
like
privacy,
cryptographic,
research.
What
do
we
do
about
post-quantum
crypto?
A
lot
of
cryptographers
are
involved
in
the
itf
there's
a
hackathon
which
was
mainly
yesterday
and
is
winding
down
today.
So
next
time
around
consider
coming
earlier.
D
You
get
a
second
t-shirt,
it's
cool,
tutorials,
deep
dives,
there's
I
forget
when
it
is,
but
there
is
a
technical
presentation
by
our
host
on
tuesday,
tuesday,
hot
rfc,
in
this
case
deliberate,
but
rfc
stands
for
request
for
conversation.
D
The
host
of
that
is
remote.
People
have
videotaped
a
10-minute
presentation.
That
says
I
think
we
should
figure
out
how
to
do
signatures.
So
cars
can
talk
to
each
other,
so
they
don't
crash
so
pretty
they'll
present.
For
a
few
minutes,
if
you're
interested
you
go
out
and
follow
up
with
them
afterwards,
it's
very
kind
of
neat
there's
side
meetings
which
are
after
the
regular
sessions
where
anybody
can
sign
up
in
the
mailings.
D
If
you
look,
there's
a
wiki
where
people
can
sign
up
and
say,
I
want
to
have
a
side
meeting
to
talk
about
whatever
it
is,
that
might
be
of
interest,
it's
sort
of
like
a
informal
buff,
but
not
really,
then
there's
open
time
between
the
sessions.
There's
you
know
we
serve
the
breakfast.
I'm
disappointed
it's
more
than
just
starchy
old
pastries,
but
during
breakfast,
what's
called
the
hallway
track
right
you
can
bump
in
and
meet
people
and
talk
to
them
and
that's
a
very
important
part
and
beneficial
part
of
the
face-to-face
meetings.
D
Next,
the
working
group
sessions.
This
is
a
picture
from
the
before
times
right.
We
can
see
the
back
of
everyone's
head,
but
nowadays
everyone
is
masked.
Most
work
is
done
on
mailing
lists.
Every
working
group,
like
I
said,
there's
over
100
of
them,
has
its
own
mailing
list.
Just
join
read
for
a
while.
D
If
you
go
to
the
data
tracker
site,
dt.ietf.org
is
the
shorthand
name,
you
can
search
for
a
working
group
and
see
what
documents
they're
working
on
you
can
subscribe
to
the
mailing
list.
You
can
search
the
mailing
list
and
find
comments
that
people
have
made
once
you're
caught
up
to
speed
and
and
feel
comfortable
talking
about
something
because
you
read
the
documents
or
you
read
previous
drafts,
feel
free
to
you
know
speak
up
using
the
the
meet
echo
tool
or
or
post
on
the
mailing
list.
Okay,
no
problem.
D
Most
of
the
work
is
done
on
the
mailing
list
and
what's
different
about
ietf
meetings,
working
group
meetings
from
many
other
standards
organizations
is,
someone
will
stand
up
and
their
slides,
which
will
be
just
a
bullet
list,
but
without
the
picture,
because
it's
all
just
text,
you
know
here's
what
changed
since
the
last
time.
D
If
you
don't
know
what
happened
last
time,
then
you're
going
to
be
lost,
so
one
good
way
an
important
way
to
prepare
for
the
working
groups
that
you're
interested
in
is
look
through.
The
documents
scan
them
skim,
the
ones
that
you're
most
interested
in
so
that
when
somebody
stands
up
and
speaks
in
some
cases
at
a
very,
very
rapid
clip,
unfortunately,
okay.
D
So
what
we
did
last
time
is
we
changed
the
packet
size
from
128
to
256,
okay,
yeah
sure,
but
anyhow,
it's
a
presentation
of
the
diffs
of
what
happened,
what
changed
and
the
things
that
are
now
open
issues
that
the
working
group
has
to
decide
about.
D
D
What
the
working
group
works
on
is
called
the
charter
and
that
is
negotiated
with
the
relevant
area
director
and
the
working
group
chairs
next
birds
of
a
feather
session
person's,
not
masked,
but
usually
a
working
group,
has
a
baf
first
and
they
will
say
things
like
working
group
forming
buff
or
non-working
group
forming
buff,
there's,
probably
discussion
of
the
proposed
charter.
D
What's
interesting,
let's
see
who
shows
up
at
that
meeting
and
they're
scheduled
during
the
regular
ietf
sessions
just
to
see
who's
interested
and
if
it's
worth
trying
to
progress
and
it's
up
to
the
area
directors
approved
by
the
iesg
to
make
those
decisions
bath
meets
once
irtf
the
folks
here,
the
young
men
here,
one
one
of
the
things
the
irtf
does
is
give
out
a
prize
for
the
best
networking
oriented
paper.
D
D
D
E
Can
can
I
just
can
I
just
interject
one
thing
here
when
you're
looking
at
the
ie
at
the
schedule,
you'll
see
the
research
groups
this
week,
you
will
also
see
anrw,
which
is
the
advanced
network
and
research
workshop
the
and
that
those
have
been
papers
that
have
been
selected
to
come.
So
it's
a
parallel
activity
to
the
ietf.
That's
generally
done
once
a
year
and
it's
on
the
agenda
this
week.
E
It's
also
done
in
conjunction
with
the
irtf,
so
I
would
look
for
both
of
those
for
potential
research
topics,
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
that
was
great.
E
And
the
anrp
the
prize
where
they
present
their
work,
that's
paper
papers
that
have
already
been
published
in
other
venues
that
are
then
nominated
as
a
topic
that
might
be
of
interest
to
the
ietf,
and
I
don't
remember
when
the
call
for
that
is,
but
every
year
there's
a
call
and
a
set
of
nominations.
E
I
think
we
have
an
anrp
presenter
in
here
for
this,
so
but
anyway,
so
the
if
you,
if
you
are
an
academic
in
addition
to
using
the
anrw
as
a
means
to
present
your
work,
to
publish
your
work,
you
can
also
present
work
that
you've
published
elsewhere
through
the
anrp,
a
r
yeah
anrp.
D
Right,
a
rp,
a
rw,
the
ietf
loves
its
tlas
flies,
okay,
birds,
no
wrong
correction;
okay,
the
area-wide
sessions,
so
almost
many
areas
have
pardon
me
a
session
for
all
of
the
groups
to
come
within
their
area.
They
will
and
there's
two
kinds.
There
is
the
general
area
session,
so
they'll
be
like
transport.
D
Here's
where
each
of
the
working
groups
gives
a
two
sentence,
summary
of
what's
happened
or
what
will
be
happening
at
their
thing
and
then
there's
also
dispatch.
There
might
be
an
invited
speaker.
Sometimes
then,
there's
also
dispatch,
there's
various
dispatch
groups.
Where
somebody
comes
up
and
says
this
is
something
in
the
transport
area.
I
have
a
new
version
of
how
gateways
talk
to
each
other.
D
D
We
should
consider
creating
a
whole
new
work
group
or
oh
well,
you're
new
to
the
ietf
with
new
work,
and
you
probably
didn't
realize
that
this
group
over
here
is
working
on
gateway
interactions,
so
you
go
to
them
and
see
if
they
want
to
work
on,
you
know
adopt
your
draft
plenary,
as
I
said,
is
the
whole
group.
It
meets
a
lot
of
administrative
stuff.
A
lot
of
you
know
interest.
Here's.
The
financial
breakdown
here
are
here's
the
corp,
the
country
breakdown
of
attendees,
here's
how
it
compares
to
the
previous
time.
D
You
know
lots
of
interesting
administrative
administrivia.
I
guess,
is
the
term
invited
lunch
talks,
there's
a
part
of
the
emo
door.
Has
a
working
group
chair
lunch
for
all
of
the
working
group
chairs
to
get
together
and
talk
and
say?
Well,
you
know
this
is
a
problem.
One
thing
the
ietf
has
done,
for
example,
in
the
past
couple
of
years,
is
much
more
embracing
of
github
the
open
source
platform,
and
so
there's
often
discussion
about
how
to
handle
that
there
is
no,
as
you
might
expect,
an
rfc
on
how
to
use
github.
D
D
But
it's
a
place
to
work
on
new
protocols,
quick,
a
secure
transport
protocol.
They
had
several
hackathons
where
they
people
were
working
on
different
versions
of
the
draft
and
they
want
to
make
sure
by
the
time
the
rfc
is
done,
that
a
it's
possible
to
implement
this
thing
b.
It's
not
crazy,
stupid
and
doesn't
require
all
of
your
cpu
to
just
ship
a
packet
and
see
that
it
works
across
a
whole
bunch
of
different
implementations.
D
Tls
did
the
same
thing.
Dns
is
doing
the
same
thing.
So
there's
a
lot
right
now.
There's
a
research
project
going
on
about
how
you
do
multicast,
where
you
know
you
can
do
point-to-point
or
you
can
do
broadcast
everybody
on
the
net,
but
over
the
general
internet.
You
want
to
be
able
to
do
multicast.
Let
me
send
one.
D
For
example,
let
me
send
one
copy
of
the
packets
for
this
movie
to
an
entire
apartment
building
because
they're
all
watching
it
or
a
major
sporting
event.
The
premier
league,
the
us
super
bowl
because
everybody's
watching
it
so
it's
much
more
efficient
for
me
to
just
send
it
once
next,
the
hackathon
anyone
can
attend.
You
get
free
food,
another
free
t-shirt.
D
The
idea
is
to
flush
out
things
and
everybody
brings
what
they
do
back
to
their
respective
working
groups
and
there's
often
a
mini
presentation
within
the
working
group
that
says:
hey
here's
what
happened
in
the
past
few
days,
it
we
do
get
developers.
We
get
many
people
who
come
only
for
the
hackathon,
because
it's
zero
cost.
D
F
D
Yesterday
and
today
so
too
late,
but
next
time
and
there's
an
rfc
coming
out
that
describes
how
to
run
one
of
these
things,
you
might
expect
social
events.
On
the
left
side,
the
big
blue
was
held
at
the
singapore
national
aquarium.
It
was
kind
of
cool.
You
know
there
was
no
sushi
serve,
but
there
are
plenty
of
fish
to
look
at
on.
The
right
is
I
I
really
wanted
to
do
stand
up.
No
on
the
right
is
the
the
sisters
event.
D
For
you
know
women
at
the
ietf,
a
local
community,
no
a
community
of
people
of
women
support
because
of
you
know,
as
you
can
tell
obviously,
in
tech
they're,
not
not
as
well
supported,
there's
more
side
meetings.
We
haven't
figured
out
quite
the
agenda,
they're,
not
official
ietf
meetings,
but
they
should
follow
the
same
rules
they're,
not
stream
video.
Unless
someone
opens
up
their
laptop
and
does
their
own
uses
their
own
zoom
meet.
Google
me
discord,
blue
jeans,
webex.
I
think
I
can
name
them
all
all
the
ones.
D
I
know
about
all
the
ones
that
are
on
my
machine
but
they're,
not
officially
part
of
the
ietf
multimedia
experience.
There
is
a
deep
dive
on
quick
tuesday
morning.
I
guess
before
breakfast
is
served
and
then
there's
a
blog
post
that
talks
about
new
topics
that
are
new
to
the
ietf
this
time
and
so
on.
D
I
think
I'm
done.
Oh
meeting
etiquette.
Okay,
it
really
helps
to
read
the
documents
of
the
groups.
You're
interested
in
you
can
also
just
sit
back
and
listen
and
maybe
you'll
be
lost,
sometimes
integrated
with
meat.
Echo
is
the
zulu
chat
system.
It's
a
test
text,
instant
messaging
system
like
jabber
or
slack,
but
you
know
different
and
better.
D
We
want
to
be
respectful
and
tolerant
of
everybody.
We
don't
want
to.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
everyone
feels
welcome
and
able
to
contribute
or
judge
solely
based
on
you
know.
Your
technical
contributions
have
a
good
time.
It's
a
real
pain
to
walk
around
mast.
All
the
time
go
out,
get
some
fresh
air
and
then
realize
whoa.
It's
way
too
hot
out
there
and
come
back
inside.
D
Okay,
yeah,
so
the
online
version,
you
can't
quite
see
it,
but
there
is
a
raise
your
hand
so
in
any
of
the
other
sessions.
If
you
want
to
talk,
you
can
ask
questions
while
someone's
presenting
generally
people
will
present
there's
an
agenda
with
you
know
time
limits,
then
there
will
be
a
time
for
general
question
and
answer
or
things
like
hey.
Did
you
consider
that
you
know
motorcycles
need
to
be
able
to
avoid
cars
too?
D
You
know
going
back
to
hyper
effective
example.
The
local
version
turns
off
the
audio
and
video
remote.
You
know
use
headsets
sort
of
all
of
the
standard.
Video
conferencing
things
that
we've
gotten
too
tired
of
comments
and
questions
are
welcome.
Don't
say
you
know,
I
couldn't
hear
you
with
the
mask.
You
know:
try
to
speak
slowly,
state
your
name
when
you
speak
and
you'll
come
up
to
the
mic.
D
When
the
chair
recognizes
you,
because
people
taking
the
minutes
don't
know
everybody's
name,
it's
especially
hard
to
hear
with
them
see
some
recognize
somebody
with
the
mask
on
there's
an
integrated
chat.
D
D
It
all
depends
on
the
on
the
working
group
briefly
how
to
bring
new
work
there
before
you
have
a
baff
even
before
you
know
you
can
just
go
to
someone
hey,
I'm
really
concerned
about
this.
It
might
be
worth
writing
up
something.
A
draft.
Every
document
in
the
itf
starts
out
and
we
call
it
an
internet
draft
id
or
generally
a
draft
drafts
are
the
product
of
working
groups.
D
You
can
submit
an
individual
draft
all
done
through
the
data
tracker.
If
you
go
to
the
authors.ihf.org
website,
there
is
some
tutorial
information
on
how
to
format
your
document
and
the
tooling
available
to
sort
of
get
it
all
nice
and
pretty
and
make
the
html
look
good
or
the
pdf.
Or
what
have
you
there's
a
tutorial
online?
E
A
Yeah
I
hi
karl
klatsky,
I
partially
just
wanted
to
try
it
make
sure
it
worked
for
the
real
meetings.
But
my
other
quick
question
is:
is
there
anyone
around
for
in-person
help
on
the
data
tracker
account?
Apparently
I
had
an
account
from
a
few
years
back
and
had
ids
linked
to
it.
But
then
my
email
changed
and
I
got.
E
A
little
bit
later
in
there
there's
an
email
address,
support
at
iatf.org.
You
send
an
email
to
that.
It
addresses
a
bunch
of
issues
like
things
like
your
account
and
if
that
doesn't
solve
it,
then
there's
a
separate
data
tracker
bug,
but
what
you're
talking
about?
It's
not
really
a
bug.
It's
an
authentication
issue.
Yeah.
B
B
D
B
E
So
I'm
doing
the
fourth
part
of
this,
which
is
the
basically
a
whole
bunch
of
resources
and
information
pointers
to
groups
of
people
that
would
be
useful
and
you're
going
to
have
to
advance
my
slides
so
go
backwards,
one.
E
So,
first
of
all,
just
a
short
word
about
ietf
participants
and
culture.
It's
a
very
passionate,
vocal
culture,
but
don't
be
shy,
be
sure
to
ask
questions
because
we
are
all
here
to
help
technical
excellence
is
highly
valued.
You
know.
So,
if
you're
working
in
a
field-
and
you
see
some
issues-
be
sure
to
speak
up,
you
know
a
number
of
us
as
you've
already
figured
out.
It's
informal
dress
code.
E
So
it's
a
culture
that
we're
fairly
proud
of.
It's
also
a
culture
that
we
are
trying
to
improve.
By
being
sure
that
we
are
as
inclusive
and
positive
as
we
can
be,
because
sometimes
the
world
is
a
negative
place
next
slide,
so
with
that
caveat
we
do
have
an
ombuds
team
which
I'm
going
to
talk
about
in
a
little
bit
later.
We
do
have
an
anti-harassment
policy.
E
If
you
are
at
all
concerned
about
any
behavior
that
you
witness
or
experience
in
the
ietf,
there's
sort
of
like
four
levels
that
you
can
go
through
the
first
one
is.
You
can
speak
to
the
working
group
chairs
in
the
working
group
that
you
speak,
that
you
are
concerned
about
or
you
can
go
to
the
area,
directors
and
then
lars
eggert
is
the
general
chair
of
the
ietf
and
then
beyond
that
we
have
the
ombuds
team.
E
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
exact
I
really
should
put
the
ombuds
team
is
later
in
here,
and
I
really
should
move
it.
So
it's
right
after
that
slide.
E
They
are
the
staff
that
are
the
event
planners
and
do
all
the
basic
logistics
and
keep
us
all
in
cookies
and
in
t-shirts
and
in
rooms
with
all
of
the
things
that
they
do.
There
will
be
a
registration
desk,
that's
staffed
all
week.
That'll
have
people
there,
they
can
ask
any
questions
of,
they
are
super
helpful
and,
and
they
are
also
they're,
always
there
for
a
friendly
smile.
E
If
you
need
one
which
sometimes
one
does
need
next
slide
there
I'm,
I
did
not
double
check
to
make
sure,
and
in
the
pre-pandemic
times
there
were
two
tables,
one
would
be
the
rfc
editor
staff
and
one
would
be
the
iana
staff
and
they
would
be
down
somewhere
in
the
general
area
of
the
registration
desk.
These
are
two
functions
that
are
key
to
the
work
of
the
ietf.
E
The
rfc
editor
obviously
publishes
all
of
our
documents.
So
if
you're
trying
to
get
a
document
through-
and
you
need
to
talk
to
somebody
about
some
issue-
that
you're
having
you
can
go
up
to
their
desk
and
ask
them
and
then
also
the
iana
staff
manages
all
of
your
protocol
number
assignments.
So
you
know
if
you
want
to
register
a
number
you're
going
to
have
to
go
through
ayanna.
You
have
to
have
an
iana
consideration
section
in
any
rfc
that
you
might
be
writing,
and
so
you
would
go
and
speak
to
the
iana
staff.
E
They
will
have
office
hours.
Thank
you.
Both
groups
will
have
office
hours,
so
you
can
you'll
find
their
tables
downstairs,
and
I
should
have
double
checked
that
next
slide.
E
So
this
is
the
ombuds
team
is
the
slide
which
I
will
move
up
in
the
presentation.
So
these
are
long-term.
Three
long-term
ietf
participants
and
and
they're
sort
of
your
your
your
final
arbiters
to
go
to
to
to
report
any
behavior
that
you're
not
happy
with
or
in
any
way
in
which
you
feel
like
you're
witnessing
or
experiencing
harassment
in
the
ietf,
and
even
if
you
just
want
to
talk
to
them
about
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
to
deal
with
this
you're.
E
Not
it's
not
a
it's,
not
necessarily
a
formal
complaints
process.
It's
it's
a
a
set
of
it's
a
set
of
resources
to
go
and
talk
to
to
see
about
how
you
might
improve
something
next
slide,
so
the
ietf
sisters
this
got
mentioned
before
this
is
a
group
for
women
and
people
that
identify
as
women
or
non-binary
and
the
website
is
there
it's.
It's
really
a
very
informal
group
of
people.
E
E
Data
tracker,
you've
heard
rich
mentioned
data
tracker
a
lot
this
week.
If
there's
one
thing
that
you
need
to
learn
one
place
you
need
to
get
to
for
the
ietf,
it's
the
data
tracker
because
it
has
all
of
the
resources
associated
with
the
working
group.
It
has
all
of
the
meetings,
it
has
all
the
materials-
and
I
put
the
tls
working
group
up
here
and
you-
you
can't
really
see
it
in
there.
E
But
if
you
look
at
the
tab
across
the
top,
you
know
right
underneath
the
transport
layer,
security
it
says
about,
and
then
documents
and
meetings
and
something
I
can't
read
and
photos
and
email
and
the
list
archive.
So
it
has
all
of
the
artifacts
associated
with
the
working
group.
E
If
you
go
to
the
about
tab,
it'll
give
you
who
the
chairs
are
what
the
charter
is
any
additional
resources
that
they
might
have
identified
so,
and
this
tool
has
evolved
quite
a
bit
in
the
last
few
years
and
in
fact
the
code
sprint
portion
of
the
ietf
is
the
tools
team,
basically
all
getting
together
and
doing
some
extra
work
on
the
data
tracker.
E
There
is
a
bug
reporting
system
and-
and
there
is
a
tools
team,
so
you
can
even
follow
along
in
the
work
that
they're
doing
if
you're
interested
in
that.
But
if
you
really
want
to
get
into
the
work
of
the
ietf,
you
need
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
getting
familiar
with
the
data
tracker
next
slide.
B
F
Hi,
I'm
lena,
you
mentioned
this
sister's
organization
and
the
networking
event
on
tuesday.
Is
it
something
that
you
have
to
join
and
pre-register
for,
or
you
can
just
show
up
and
attend
the
the
event.
E
You
know
we
have
historically
had
a
sign
up,
but
I
haven't
seen
one
this
time,
but
I
do
know
there's
a
sister's
lunch,
so
I
think
there's
two
on
the
agenda,
so
I
would
say
just
show
up,
but
I
would
join
the
mailing
list
right
and
isn't
there's
a
lunch
on
thursday
right
yeah
there's
a
lunch
on
thursday.
That's
the
one!
I
always
remember
so
I
would
show
up
this
week.
E
If
it
is
a
sign
up,
we
can
always
put
one
one
more
person
in
it's
just
for
catering
purposes.
So
robert.
C
Yes,
thank
you.
When
I
was
preparing,
I
found
an
ios
app
called
ietfers
and
I
downloaded
a
bit.
It
seems
to
be
pointing
back
at
an
older
meeting.
Is
it
a.
E
C
E
E
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
need
she's
she's
right.
I
believe
you
have
to
select
the
new
meeting
I'll
have
to
admit.
I
haven't
actually
looked
this
time.
I
usually
have
it
up
by
now,
but
I
haven't
done
it
this
time.
I
thought
there
was
somebody
else
in
the
queue,
but
so
the
next
person
is
the
next
slide
is
meat
echo.
E
And
there
are
also
practice
sessions
for
any
of
you
that
are
remote
that
you
can
use.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
ietf
network
you've,
probably
also
seen
like
I
don't
know-
I
mean
there
might
be
eight
or
nine
ssids
that
we
have
now.
We
do
have
our
own
network
here
that
we
run.
E
E
E
E
There's
all
of
the
main
meeting
mailing
lists.
Are
there
there's
a
one-stop
shop
for
all
of
the
links-
and
I
mentioned
this
one
that
the
person
asked
earlier.
But
if
you
have
any
meeting
issues,
the
email
is
support.
Ietf.Org,
it's
a
ticketing
system
and
it'll
get
sent
to
whoever
needs
it,
whether
it's
an
authentication
issue
or
a
you
know,
whatever
kind
of
issue
you
might
have
next
slide.