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From YouTube: IETF115-SHMOO-20221110-1530
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SHMOO meeting session at IETF115
2022/11/10 1530
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/115/proceedings/
A
A
A
B
Okay
thanks:
everyone
welcome
to
schmoo,
Suresh
and
Mallory
will
be
joining
us
anytime.
So
thank
you,
and
this
is
the
note
Bell.
So
this
being
Thursday
you've
probably
seen
it
way
too
many
times,
but
still
please
do
look
at
the
BCPS.
If
you
have
any
questions
regarding
the
policies
and
if
you're
in
the
room,
please
put
yourself
in
the
on-site
participation
tool,
so
you
can
actually
ask
questions
at
the
mic
or
make
any
comments
if
you
want
and
if
you're
not
speaking
actively.
Please
wear
your
masks
over
your
nose
and
mouth.
B
So
it's
going
to
be
a
really
short
meeting,
so
I
will
take
the
minute
so
we're
not
looking
for
a
minute
taker,
so
just
keep
going
further
going
through
the
deliverables
itself.
So
there's
like
we
had
a
couple
of
deliverables.
We
had
two
rfcs
published.
B
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
authors
and
like
everybody
who
commented
so
we
had
like
the
cancellation
considerations
on
running
an
ITF
hackathon
said
they've
both
been
published
srfcs
and
we
had
like
two
documents
that
are
still
left
on
our
plate
and
where
we
have
working
group
documents
and
we
like
multi,
has
completed
the
working
group,
Last
Call
on
it.
So
the
next
step
is
really
to
progress.
B
These
documents
further,
and
so
there's
like
I,
think
like
pretty
much
all
the
comments
that
have
been
received
have
been
addressed
so
and
Martin
will
have
a
short
question
for
the
working
group.
Now
and
after
this
is
complete.
Our
goal
is
really
to
progress.
The
documents
after
completing
the
last
call
comments
and
all
those
things
are
addressed
and
our
intent
is
to
drop
all
the
other
deliverables.
So
we
had
something
about
Cadence
like
how
many
on-site
meetings,
how
many
virtual
meetings
we're
gonna
have.
B
So
all
those
things
were
like
potentially
work
items.
Similarly,
technology
requirements
like
so
should
we
have
new
tools?
Should
we
use
existing
tools?
All
those
things
are
really
stuff
under
consideration.
When
we
got
chartered
a
couple
of
years
ago
same
for
hybrid
meeting
planning,
but
we
didn't
have
any
drafts
in
the
in
the
recent
past
that
materialized
for
this.
So
our
goal
is
to
drop
these
deliverables
like
and
and
just
go
ahead
to
close
the
working
group.
So
for
that.
C
I
would
just
say
that
the
of
the
dropped
deliverables,
the
hybrid
or
sorry
the
Cadence
I
just
wanted
to
for
folks
who've,
been
on
Mini
couches
from
before
shmu
was
chartered.
You
might
remember
one
of
the
proposals
coming
in
was
maybe
we
could
reduce
in-person
meeting
Cadence
to
only
two
times
a
year
and
have
the
third
one
remote
again.
C
This
was
pre-pandemic
and
everything
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
the
outcome
of
having
robust
remote
participation
for
all
three
meetings
that
happen
every
year
is
actually
a
really
wonderful
outcome,
rather
than
thinking
of
in-person
in-person
online,
and
you
know
that
I
think
is
a
is
a
good
outcome.
So
there's
a
cue
now,
though,
so
go
ahead.
D
Oh,
this
is
related
to
what
you're
talking
about
what
happened
to
Mark
Nottingham's
draft
that
he
presented
a
couple
of
itfs
ago.
Did
we
just
not
progress
that
or
yeah.
B
We
didn't
hear
anything
further
right
like
from
Mark
like
we
can
probably
go
check
with
them,
but
I
think
the
plan
would
be
like
you
know.
If
there's
interest
in
that
in
progressing
that
we
can
either
talk
to
Lars
now,
like
I,
can
probably
check
with
Mark
like
after,
because
like
we
did,
ask
for
what
do
you
want
to
do
with
it,
because
it
got
referred
to
us
from
gender's
past
right?
B
If
not,
we
can
just
like
go
ahead,
but
I
think
last
has
also
offered
to
Eddie
sponsor
stuff
if
there's
something
that
comes
up
like
in
in
the
near
future
right,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
point
to
kind
of
declare.
Success
as
like
Mallory
are
saying
right,
like
we
kind
of
made
quite
a
bit
of
progress
during
the
pandemic
like
and
we've
done
pretty
well
right
like
and
like.
B
So
if
there's
like
something,
that's
like
maybe
Corner
cases
or
stuff
like
that,
we
can
actually
handle
it
now
and
so
like
I
can
certainly
take
it
as
an
item
for
myself
to
go
check
with
Mark
to
see
to.
D
B
E
So,
even
so,
I'm
not
gonna,
let
you
adopt
it
so
because
the
energy
is
out
has
been
out
for
a
while
I
want
to
close
the
working
group
you're
right
if
there's
additional
work
either
on
those
miles
Milestones
that
we
had
that
were
dropping
now
or
other
related
things
in
the
middle
is
going
to
stay.
Open,
I'm,
willing
to
80,
sponsor
Jen
dispatch
can
like
dispatch
it
to
me
and
then
I
will
decide
what
to
do
with
it.
But
I
think
the
working
group
can
go
sounds
good
thanks
all
for
participating.
This
might
be
the.
B
Last
rule
meeting
thanks
and
yeah
and
the
final
thing
is
really
the
the
mailing
list
will
remain
open.
So
the
mailing
list
predates
the
working
group
and
it'll
stay
open,
so
we
can
have
all
the
fun
conversations
that
we
had
before
the
working
group
of
storm.
You
can
have
it
after
as
well
thanks
Martin
did
you
want
to
have
your
other
question
now.
D
Was
the
only
agenda
item
I,
maybe
would
have
proposed
to
cancel
the
meeting,
but
here
we
are
so
the
the
online
meetings
draft
is
through
the
working
group
last
call,
but
I
was
going
to
do
an
editorial
pass
on
it
and
then,
like
I,
think
it's
kind
of
caught
halfway
between
being
a
historical
record
of
our
pandemic
experience
and
like
recommended
best
practices
going
forward,
and
it's
listed
informational
draft
so
like
how
should
it
be
written?
Is
it
is
it
a?
E
Last
second
I'm
not
going
to
let
you
change
the
status
either
okay,
so
it
stays
well.
It's
an
information
document
that
got
accepted
and
let's
keep
it
as
such
I
would
say.
Unless
you
strongly
object
or
anybody
else
strongly
attracts
because
I
don't
mean
it
seems
well,
I
know
I,
don't
really
care
super
strongly,
but
do
you.
E
E
It
doesn't
matter
right
also,
because
I
think
we
found
with
a
lot
of
these
documents
that
that
we've
written
right,
that
the
lessons
from
the
pandemic
have
shown
us
that
they
sort
of
apply
in
general,
but
maybe
the
aspiration
of
having
BCP
level
guidance
is
a
bit
too
strong,
because
you
know
things
didn't
develop
quite
as
we
planned
and
we
learn
all
these
things,
because
it's
the
first
pandemic
that
any
of
us
has
been
in
right.
So
so
you
can
make
it
PCP,
because
the
other
ones
were
BCP
I.
D
E
F
Hotels,
yeah
Charles
eckel,
so
you
know
I
definitely
think
we.
We
learned
some
valuable
things
going
through
this,
and
so
to
the
extent
the
document
can
can
capture
those
and
share,
not
just
exactly
what
happened
but
kind
of
where
we
currently
are
I.
Think
like
like
what
was
mentioned,
the
the
thought
of
hey.
We,
we
actually
remote
participation,
is
working
really
well
and
with
that
people
might
choose
to
only
go
to
two
meetings
in
person
out
of
the
three
but
the
ietf.
F
Isn't
you
know
at
this
time
deciding
to
make
one
a
forest
virtual
for
everyone?
You
know
so
I
think
some
of
those
types
of
thinking
that
type
of
thinking,
I,
think
came
out
of
our
experience,
so
it
would
be
I
think
the
document
right
now
kind
of
is
on
the
the
fence.
It
kind
of
gives
some
some
guidance
for
how
you
might
want
to
do
things,
and
then
it
also
in
some
cases,
as
you
were
mentioning
it
just
says,
this
is
sort
of
what
happened
and
that
guidance
and
that
learning
is
important.
F
D
Okay,
so
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
go
ahead
and
do
that
Martin
do
this
editorial
passes,
informational,
it
will
be
like
the
pr
will
be
a
lot
of
words,
but
we'll
not
have
any
substantive
change
in
what
it.
What
it's
saying,
cool
thanks.
F
When
sorry
one
clarification-
and
so
then
it
wouldn't
go
through
another
working
group
last
call,
we
could
just
kind
of
everyone
could
look
at
it
and
if.
B
They
I
think
maybe
just
probably
have
a
hold
off
period,
saying
like
there's
a
new
draft
like
you
know,
if
you
have
some
comments
like
give
it
like
two
weeks
or
so,
and
on
a
hold
on
timer
and
then
like
progress
it
if
nobody
complains
I,
I
I.
Think
like
one
of
the
other
things
like
if
Lars
are
saying
that,
if
you,
if
you
do
this,
you
need
to
reach
out
her
like.
If
you
want
to
change
it
to
BCP
right
so
I
think
that's
really
not
worth
it
come
with.
Last
on
that
yeah.
D
Okay,
that
works,
so
I
will
have
that
PR,
ideally
by
Thanksgiving,
certainly
by
the
end
of
the
month,
and
then
we
can
move
forward.
Thank.
B
You
perfect
thanks
Ted,
you
had
your
hand
up
and
down.
Did
you
want
to
say
something
or
has
it
been
said?
Okay,
thank
you.
Stuart
did
you
want
to
say
something.
G
I
didn't
want
to
say
something
serious,
but
with
the
end
of
this
work,
group
I
want
to
express
my
gratitude
for
the
ironic
scheduling
that
the
staying
home
meet
online
working
group
was
given
the
largest
room.