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From YouTube: IETF115-PLENARY-20221109-1700
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PLENARY meeting session at IETF115
2022/11/09 1700
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/115/proceedings/
A
A
B
B
All
right
testing
can
we
find
our
seats
and
check
that
we
have
masks
and
that
they
are
over
our
mouth
and
our
nose
and
behind
our
ears
or
our
neck
and
the
ffp2
and
without
valves
and
whatever
else.
We
like
our
masks
to
be
like,
and
thank
you
very
much
I'm
going
to
say
this
again
later
for
wearing
them.
I
realized,
there's
a
discrepancy
between
what's
happening
in
the
meeting
rooms
and
outside
in
The
Wider
world
in
the
UK.
B
B
So
since
I've
all
quieted,
you
down
nicely
welcome
all
to
London,
it's
great
to
see
even
more
of
you
in
person
than
we
had
in
Vienna
and
in
Philadelphia,
so
I
think
we're
on
an
upswing
post
covet,
which
is
what
we
were
hoping
for,
we're
still
not
quite
where
we
were
before
and
we
may
never
get
there.
Who
knows,
but
at
least
sort
of
the
trend
looks
very
good.
B
If
you
wanna
at
some
point,
go
to
the
microphone,
you
should
scan
this
Qi
code
now
I,
don't
it
probably
is
going
to
stay
up,
but
who
knows
so?
This
is
your
chance
to
get
out
your
phone
and
that
will
let
you
get
in
the
queue,
because
that's
how
we're
going
to
manage?
Who
is
gonna
speak
next,
when
we
have
open
mic.
B
Right
I
said
this
already,
so
I
made
a
tweak
to
this
slide
because
we're
techies
and
we
like
RFC
2119,
so
I
added
some
uppercase
terms
here
to
make
this
sort
of
clearer
to
you
right.
So
the
must
and
the
recommended
and
are
not
required
and
I
didn't
quite
go
to
the
effort
of
rewriting
the
rest
of
it.
But
you
I
think
this
is
sort
of
helpful.
You
know
because
it's
like
a
protocol,
you
know
you
don't
like
it,
but
you
still
got
to
do
it
and
it's
fine.
B
It
brings
us
makes
us
all
safer.
We
have
some
really
no
numbers
I'm
going
to
have
a
slide
later.
I
hope
the
numbers
haven't
increased
since
that
slide
was
made,
but
it
looks
very
good
at
the
moment,
so
you
can
take
off
your
mask
as
attaches
Barry
just
did
to
drink
something.
That's
completely
fine,
remember
to
put
it
back
up
right.
If
you
sit
next
to
somebody
who
forgets,
maybe
you
nudge
them
and
say
Hey,
you
know.
B
B
Are
people
like
me
that
are
babbling
on
the
microphone
not
to
your
neighbor,
so
you
may
also
take
off
your
mask
and
it's
helpful
because
it
makes
the
audio
a
little
bit
clearer,
especially
for
the
remote
attendees,
and
we
don't,
you
know,
decided
not
to
recognize
any
exemptions
and
You
Gotta
Wear
a
good
mask.
That's
the
other
option
right
enough
about
masks.
B
The
note
well
is
an
eye
chart
that
you've
all
seen
many
times
by
now.
So
anything
you
say
here
or
elsewhere
is
the
contribution
to
the
ITF
that
comes
with
certain
obligations,
be
aware
that
you
know
what
they
are
before.
You
start
contributing
and
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say
here.
We
also
have
some
sort
of
code
of
conduct,
obligations
on
you.
That
I
think
are
pretty
clear
if
they're
not
go,
read
them
up
if
you're
online
welcome.
B
If
you
decide
to
sort
of
well,
if
you're
online,
you
were
joined
with
your
audio
being
muted
and
your
video
off,
and
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
microphone
to
ask
a
question,
you
need
to
actively
enable
your
audio
and
I'm
also
going
to
ask
you
to
enable
your
video,
because
it's
nice,
if
you
have
a
face
with
a
voice
and
if
you
have
a
headset
and
it
works.
Well,
please
use
it.
It
helps
and
there's
a
long
URL
here
with
more
information.
B
B
We
have
a
one-off,
which
is
the
our
the
RSE
introduction.
Alexis
Rossi
is
going
to
say.
Hi
I
have
decided
I'm
going
to
start
pronouncing
RSE
as
risky
and
I'm
just
going
to
keep
doing
that
until
everybody
else
does
the
same
or
or
I
stop
either.
One
of
those
two
are
possibilities,
but
This
Acronym
is
I,
mean
I
wish.
We
would
find
something
with
like
another
vowel
in
there
somewhere
right.
B
We
have
a
preview
for
itf116
and
we're
going
to
Yokohama
that
got
a
great
Round
of
Applause
in
Philadelphia
when
we
announced
it
we're
all
very
excited
and
and
one
of
my
key
achievements.
This
week,
I
met
a
newcomer
yesterday
at
the
social
who
is
from
Yokohama
or
is
from
Japan
at
least
and
she's
going
to
be.
My
dinner
Booker
and
I
told
you
to
pick
a
nice
place
that
she
likes,
because
she's
obviously
going
to
come
along
to
like
facilitate
things,
and
this
is
creating
a
win-win
situation.
B
I'm
going
to
rely
on
for
the
entire
week,
so
I
don't
think
she
knows
what
she
got
herself
into,
but
it's
going
to
work
really
well.
For
me
at
least
we
have
the
Jonathan
B
pastel
award,
which
is
also
a
special
thing
that
we
don't
do
all
the
time
so
Andrew
Sullivan,
the
CEO
of
istock,
is
going
to
present
that
to
a
very
deserving
individual,
and
then
we
have
the
usual
round
of
open
mic.
B
This
time
the
order
is
IAB,
LLC,
isg,
there's
a
bunch
of
other
people
here
that
aren't
part
of
one
of
the
open
mics.
If
you
want
to
ask
them
questions,
my
suggestion
would
be
if
you
go
in
line
while
they
talk,
but
I
also
want
to
caution
you
that
we
didn't
really
budget
a
whole
lot
of
time
for
Q
a
for
other
slots,
so
I
might
cut
you
and
tell
you
to
take
it
to
the
mail
list
or
somewhere
else.
B
Highly
highly
appreciate
your
your
long-lasting
contribution
to
the
ITF
in
in
very
very
many
forms.
This
is
not
the
only
time
we're
going
to
see
a
Cisco
logo
on
this
slide.
Deck
I
hope,
I,
didn't
give
anything
away
here,
but
so
Cisco
has
been
been.
You
know
very
good
for
the
idea
for
a
very
long
time,
we're
very
happy
they're
hosting
us
here
they
organize
a
great
social
for
us.
The
food
is
actually
very
interesting.
B
I,
don't
think
I
ever
had
like
a
big
patty
of
meat
anatolini
at
the
same
time
and
like
I
was
wondering
what
is
this
but
I've
heard
this
for
many
people
it
was
very
surprising
combinations,
but
they
were
all
very
good
and
pretty
healthy
and
the
art
exhibition
was
it's
amazing
and
the
music
was
great.
So
so
thank
you
for
that,
especially
that
was
that
was
excellent
and
apologize.
The
apologies
to
the
people
who
didn't
get
a
ticket
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
as
many
emails
about
you
know.
Who
has
a
ticket?
B
So
it's
a
little
bit
like
an
nft
without
the
ugly
Parts.
You
know
it's
it's,
and
maybe
we
should
take
a
cut.
There's
a
Marketplace
here,
I'm
sure
that
we
gotta,
who,
if
anybody
is
like
in
this
ipv4
reselling
space
I,
want
to
talk
to
you.
We
can
set
this
up.
This
is
going
to
make
us
a
lot
of
money.
Lee
Burke
is
going
to
be
happy.
B
C
So,
thank
you
very
much.
I
will
have
to
correct
you
that
I
am
not
the
host
of
the
meeting
Cisco
is.
It
was
not
my
money
that
got
you
into
the
Victoria
in
Albert
last
night,
I
also
have
to
say
a
quick
thank
you
to
Stephanie
and
Paige,
who
did
all
the
work
to
make
that
incredible
to
get
us
to
how
you
exhibit
and
that
wonderful
food.
C
So
thank
you
to
them,
and
I
was
gonna
get
up
here
and
give
you
a
long
talk
about
Cisco's
pride
in
supporting
the
ITF
and
its
work
in
keeping
the
Internet
Protocol
World
evolving,
and
so
that
the
internet
can
continue
its
mission
of
interconnecting
humanity
and
enabling
those
activities
that
benefit
from
that.
But
instead
in
going
into
all
of
that
in
the
abstract,
I'm
going
to
pimp
our
talk
tomorrow,
which
is
a
very
cool
example
of
this.
C
This
is
about
the
host
Tech
talk
tomorrow,
which
will
be
in
Richmond
before
it's
project,
Callisto,
which
some
of
my
Cisco
colleagues
will
come
and
tell
you
about,
and
it
involves
taking
webrtc
developed
here
and
at
the
w3c
and
AP1
and
open
source
thing
developed
by
AO
media
and
using
it
in
an
extraterrestrial
collaboration.
You
Space
Geeks
will
note
the
Artemis
logo
at
the
bottom.
This
is
part
of
the
Artemis
program,
NASA's
effort
to
return
humankind
to
the
Moon.
C
B
So
fast,
not
so
fast,
not
so
fast,
I
have
a
archival
quality
badge
for
you,
which
is
actually
not
a
prop
like
usual.
This
is
the
real
thing,
so
you
can
take
it
home
now,
if
you
like
or
we'll
ship
it
to
you,
but
you
should
hold
it
now,
so
that
Richard
can
get
a
nice
photo
and
thank
you
very
much.
Cisco
you're
certainly
welcome
and.
B
So
I'm
gonna
go
to
this.
This
looks
really
interesting,
I'm
still
not
sure
you're
going
to
talk
to
aliens
or
not,
but
I
guess
we'll
all
find
out
tomorrow.
Ted
already
mentioned
secretary,
that's
doing
a
lot
of
good
work
for
us,
there's
a
lot
of
other
volunteers
and
contractors
that
are
really
essential
to
making
this
meeting
happen.
As
you
know,
they
include
the
Secretariat,
the
meet
Echo
team,
the
knock,
the
LLC
staff,
the
tools
team
and
the
hackathon
support
team.
So,
let's
give
them
a
hand
and
good
job.
This
week
it's
great.
B
B
What
the
plan
is
for
future
meetings,
experiments
we're
currently
running
and
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
that
is
in
the
written
report
that
we
announced
yesterday
I
want
to
say
so
Amy,
it's
not
going
to
get
me
so
good.
This
is
the
statistics
and
the
numbers
I
have
not
seen.
So
we
have
quite
a
high
number
of
total
registrations.
That
is
very
good
to
see.
We
also
have
a
quite
High
number
of
on-site
participation.
This
is
more
than
double
of
Vienna
and
I
think
we're
probably
at
least
a
third
over
Philadelphia.
B
So
this
is
very
nice.
Very
good.
The
remote
fee,
waivers
I,
see,
are
seeing
robust
use,
which
is
great,
that's
exactly
what
we
created
them
for
to
be
like
more
open
and
more
inclusive.
So
so
thank
you
of
to
all
of
you
who
are
spending
your
time
with
us
remotely
and
and
use
that
that
is
good
to
see
you
can
pay
right.
If
you
know,
if
you're
working
for
a
company
I
would
encourage
you
to
charge
it.
But
if
you
need
to
use
a
fee
waiver,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
B
We
recently
started
being
a
little
bit
more
open
about
the
on-site
fee,
waivers
and
we're
running
them,
I
think
between
Colin
and
me
a
little
bit
as
an
experiment
to
figure
out.
You
know:
when
do
we
grant
them
and
when
don't
we
grant
them
and
I
got
18
requests
I
granted
about
11
and
and
calling
out
a
few
fewer
ones,
but
granted
a
few
more
we're
still
finding
our
way
here.
So,
in
my
mind,
right
I
want
to
see
some
indication
of
economic
hardship.
B
I
want
to
see.
You
know
a
reason
why
you
can
be
here
in
person,
but
not
pay.
The
fee
I
have
a
limited
amount
of
them.
You
know
if
you,
your
organization,
running
out
of
travel
budget
is
not
counted
as
economic
hardship.
I'm.
Very
sorry,
that's
just
the
way
and
then
they're
not
set
up
to
be
like
a
perpetuous
thing.
So
it's
a
one-off.
You
know
you
you're
doing
good
work
once
you're
here,
I'm
gonna
give
you
one
of
those,
but
it's
you
know
not
something.
B
B
This
is
about
what
we
can
do
for
the
on-site
part,
but
please
do
ask
right
and
don't
feel
bad
if
I
say
no
or
Colin
says
no,
it's
just
the
way
it
is
hackathon
which
is
incredibly
well
attended.
Still
we
had
452
registrations
a
lot
on
site,
a
lot
more
I
think
again
compared
to
Vienna
and
Philadelphia
a
lot
of
projects
and
a
lot
of
people
remote.
B
So
so
this
has
really
become
one
of
sort
of
the
extremely
good
ways
in
which
the
iitf
has
started
to
outreach
into
open
source
and
I.
Can't
thank
the
people
who
are
running
this
enough
and
who
are
investing
in
it
and
I
can't
thank
the
organizations
that
support
it
enough.
It's
really
become
sort
of
a
core
event
at
the
IHF.
Although
we
still
say
it's
not
officially
part
of
it,
it
really
is
right
which
brings
us
to
the
pie
chart.
We
have.
B
You
know
a
number
of
people
from
a
number
of
places.
As
usual
as
usual,
women
in
Europe
or
or
near
to
Europe,
I
should
say
now,
I
guess
quite
a
few
participants
from
Europe.
We
have
the
usual
mix
between
the
USA
and
others.
So
that's
pretty
nice
China
is
still
much
lower,
unfortunately
than
it
used
to
be.
But
it's
ticking
up
I
hear
it's
getting
easier
for
our
Chinese
participants
to
travel
that
is
really
good
to
see.
B
B
This
is
the
same
pie,
chart
split
out
between
on-site
and
remote.
It
looks
roughly
similar.
The
colors
are
the
same
as
previously
and
between
those
two
pie
charts
which
confuse
the
hell
out
of
me
in
Vienna.
So
it's
it's
roughly
the
same
split,
there's
a
few
other
sort
of
things
you
noticeably
see.
China
is
unsurprisingly
much
more
represented
in
the
remote
attendance.
B
Although
time
zones
are
not
in
their
favor
here,
but
that
is
really
good
to
see
and
I'm,
hoping
that
these
18
from
China
are
going
to
come
back
to
be
on
site
very
soon
covet
cases,
we've
had
four.
So
far,
we've
been
significantly
worse
at
this
time
of
the
week,
both
in
Vienna
and
in
Philadelphia.
So
that
makes
us
really
hopeful
that
we're
going
to
have
a
much
lower
number
of
reported
cases.
B
This
meeting
than
than
last
it
sort
of
seems
to
indicate
that
we're
sort
of
on
the
downswing
of
the
pandemic,
which
is
great.
It
also
means
that
you
guys
are
really
good
in
general
about
wearing
your
masks.
If
one
of
us
reminds
you
don't
feel
bad
right,
we
get
reminded
too
it's
just
you
don't
see
it.
B
We
got
to
sort
of
watch
each
other
a
little
bit
and
if
you,
you
know,
want
to
provide
feedback,
there's
a
survey
that
Jay
is
going
to
send
out
after
the
meeting
and
we're
also
going
to
consult
on
what
our
masking
and
covert
policy
should
be
going
forward.
We
changed
it.
A
little
bit
coming
to
London.
B
Yokohama
is
going
to
have
some
government
restrictions
in
place,
I
think
still
today,
but
it
might
change.
So
we
have
to
have
a
conversation.
We're
probably
going
to
do
there,
but
I
think
the
general
expectation
would
be
that
we
try
to
follow
the
rules
that
are,
you
know
the
local
regulations
at
the
place,
we're
going
to
over
time.
It's
a
conversation
between
you
know
the
community
and
and
Leadership.
So
please
do
send
feedback.
B
There
are
free
masks.
There
are
free
tests,
they
are
free,
aspirin
and
Tylenol,
which
are
helpful,
even
if
you
don't
have
covet
there's
many
other
goodies
that
are
down
in
Secretariat
area.
So
if
you
need
something
right
so
this
whole,
like
I,
don't
have
a
mask,
it
doesn't
really
cut
it
because
they're
everywhere
and
you
can
just
grab
one
so
so
please
do
and
there's
three
tests
right
and
if
you
do
test
positive,
we
do
ask
that
you
isolate
and
email
the
Secretariat
there's
a
support.
B
B
We
had
four
isg
announcements.
You
got
them
on
ITF
announced
if
you're
subscribed.
If
not
I
encourage
you
to
subscribe
to
it.
We
did
about
zero
appeals,
which
is
a
nice
thing.
We
did
an
isg
statement,
one
wants
to
clap
good
job,
isg
and
good
job
Community
I.
Guess
we
put
out
a
statement
on
restricting
access
to
itfit
systems.
The
summary
is
that
we
want
to
be
transparent
about
what
the
isg
intends
to
do.
B
If
the
lawyers
come
and
say,
we
have
a
case
where
we
need
to
basically
stop
somebody
from
accessing
the
iitfit
systems
because
they
pose
a
legal
risk
to
the
organization.
So
somebody's
sharing
like
BitTorrent
links-
or
you
know
things
like
that,
so
it
needs
to
be
a
significant
legal
risk
to
the
to
the
ietf
and
the
LLC
is
sort
of
the
home
for
that.
But
the
LLC
decided
that
the
isg
should
really
be
the
one.
B
That's
putting
out
the
guidance
here
because
it
obviously
impacts
the
standards
process,
and
so
we
put
out
a
statement
and
we
basically
had
this
policy
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
how
we're
going
to
communicate
it
and
and
the
intenders.
You
know
this
will
never
be
used
until
the
lawyers
come
and
say
you
really
have
to.
B
Otherwise
it's
going
to
be
bad
and
there's
a
lot
more
stuff
at
the
link
into
the
data
tracker
that
has
a
bunch
of
written
reports
that
we
did
and
there's
a
Blog
that
Greg
is
sort
of
feeding
with
material.
If
you
have
a
story
for
Greg,
it's
ITF
related
Gregory
are
you?
Can
you
raise
your
hand
he's
there
talk
to
him,
he's
always
happy
for
Content
and
he's
going
to
feed
our
blog
and
social
media
Channels
with
it,
so
that
we
are
becoming
influencers.
B
Right
this
is
a
slide
that
originated
with
genard,
which
is
my
director
that
does
reviews
for
me
and
that
I
find
really
useful,
and
it's
basically
reminding
me
that
they
could
use
more
reviewers
and
and
other
area
directors
when
I
said
that
that
my
directorate
could
also
use
more
reviewers.
So
if
you
want
to
become
a
reviewer
talk
to
the
ads
or
if
you
know
the
person
who
runs
the
director
talk
to
them,
you
don't
have
to
have
been
around
for
a
long
time
generate
specifically.
B
B
B
The
one
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
you
can
actually
in
the
data
tracker
which
we
use
for
managing
the
reviews
say
that
you
know
I
want
to
have
you
know
one
assignment
a
quarter
or
a
week
or
you
know
I'm
gonna
be
on
vacation
for
three
months
here.
So
don't
give
me
anything
so
you
can
basically
tell
us
or
tell
the
system
what
your
load
is
and
that
will
be
taken
into
account
and
there's
no
hard
feelings
if
you
need
to
go
away
for
a
bit
because
of
day
job
or
other
reasons.
B
B
So
so,
if
you
have
kids
and
it
would
make
it
easier
for
you
to
attend-
please
do
take
advantage
of
this.
We
have
dni
diversity
and
inclusion
money
that
is
specifically
given
to
the
iitf
to
provide
services
like
this,
so
you
using
it
is
not
going
to
cost
us
anything.
Additionally,
it's
it's
there
for
for
using
it.
D
Yeah
and
I
will
be
very
quick.
I
only
have
two
slides
because
there's
more
exciting
stuff
on
the
agenda,
but
I
still
wanted
to
come
up
here
to
show
you
my
face,
especially
those
people
who
might
not
know
me
so
here,
I
am
and
as
I'm
here
I'm
presenting
you
to
boring,
slides
so
first
slide
is
we
send
a
written
report
so
if
you're
actually
interested
in
all
the
details,
what
the
IAB
is
doing
or
not
doing
you
can
read
the
report,
there's
a
link,
it's
in
the
proceedings.
D
D
You
can
find
all
the
papers,
all
the
slides
and
the
recordings
online
and
there's
a
report
to
be
written
very
soon,
hopefully,
and
then
there's
a
workshop
coming
up
very
soon.
First
week
of
December
you
just
missed
the
deadline.
I
think
it
was
Monday
about
environmental
impact,
so
the
idea
is
to
figure
out
how
much
impact
the
internet
as
a
whole
has.
Is
there
a
way
to
measure
it
and
like
make
an
assessment
and
then
understanding?
If
there's
anything,
we
need
to
do
in
that
space.
D
So
these
are
two
things
that
the
IAB
is
working
on.
Just
to
give
you
an
impression,
there's
more
in
the
report
or
you
can
also
talk
to
me
or
any
IAB
member.
If
you
want
to
learn
wrong
and
then
my
second
slide
is
just
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
who
serves
for
this
community
and
the
IAB
is
appointing
a
lot
of
people
and
we
recently
appointed
reappointed,
Harold
other
strand
for
the
icon
board.
D
Ager
and
like
I
want
to
thank
you,
but,
like
you
have
to
prove
that
you're
doing
a
good
work
there,
but
Alice
in
Menken
has
been
around
for
for
many
years.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
her
for
their
service
she's
to
step
down
after
after
many
years,
she
asked
us
to
step
down
okay
and
then
usually
I
also
take
this
opportunity
to
tell
you
about
open
calls
and
things
we
need
from
you,
but
there's
nothing
on
right
now,
but
please
keep
your
eyes
open.
D
A
B
Thank
you,
Miriam
and
while
Colin
makes
its
way
up
to
the
stage
I'll
point
out,
the
IB
is
obviously
going
to
be
on
stage
later
for
open
mic,
and
you
can
ask
questions
about
anything
that
Maria
talked
about
or
anything
else.
Iv
related
and
Colin's
gonna
talk
a
lot
about
things
that
start
with
A
and
have
the
NR
letters
next
to
them.
E
E
One
of
the
things
we
organize
in
the
irtf
is
the
applied
networking
research
price.
This
is
designed
to
reward
the
best
recent
results
in
applied
networking
research
as
designed
to
reward
interesting
new
research
ideas
that
might
be
relevant
to
this
community
and
to
the
internet
going
forward.
It's
designed
to
reward
upcoming
people
and
interesting
people
who
may
not
otherwise
be
able
to
come
to
these
events,
who
we
think
may
be
making
a
an
interesting
contribution
to
the
the
development
of
internet
related
research.
E
We
made
three
Awards
earlier
today,
I'm
very
pleased
to
announce
that
the
awards
for
those
who
missed
the
irtf
open
meeting
this
morning
went
to
go
to
akiwate
for
a
talk
on
and
some
work
on,
the
risks
of
domain
hijacking
due
to
register
practices.
They
went
to
Corin
Cafe
for
her
ethnographic
work,
looking
at
the
the
organizational
culture
of
the
ietf
and
they
went
to
Daniel
Wagner
for
his
work
on
ddas
DDOS
attack,
detection
and
mitigation.
E
E
The
plane
networking
research
prize
relies
on
your
nominations.
The
nominations
for
the
awards
next
year
are
open.
Now
the
nomination
deadline
is
the
18th
of
November
at
the
end
of
next
week.
So
if
you're
aware
of
any
interesting
applied
networking
research,
any
people
who
should
be
deserving
of
an
award,
please
do
nominate
them
and
we're
accepting
both
third-party
nominations.
Where
you
nominate
someone
else
and
first
party
nominations,
will
you
nominate
your
own
work?
So
if
you
know
any
good
work,
please
do
nominate
final
thing.
E
I
have
to
say
we
are
very
pleased
to
offer
travel
grants
for
the
irtf
to
bring
people
from
underrepresented
groups
to
the
ITF
meetings
and
the
co-located
irtf
sessions.
Very
great
thanks
to
to
our
sponsors
for
the
travel
grants
to
academic
Comcast
to
cloudflare
and
to
Netflix
for
providing
that
support.
We've
got
a
number
of
people
here
this
time,
I've
spoken
to
several
of
them.
If
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
you,
please
come
find
me.
E
B
Yes,
we're
heading
over
to
Rich
who's,
making
his
way
to
the
stage.
As
you
know,
the
nomcom
is
in
full
swing
at
the
moment,
they're
doing
interviews
this
week
and
meeting
candidates
and
community
members
to
gather
feedback.
So
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
send
your
feedback
to
a
nomcom,
I
will
tell
you
now
that
you
could
do
so
immediately.
If
you
want,
when
you're
bored
here
and
which
is
going
to
tell
you
a
lot
more
about
it.
Thanks.
F
F
Okay,
okay
hi.
We
did
start
late
for
a
variety
of
circumstances.
We
think
we'll
end
on
time
and
that
came
at
the
expense
of
pretty
much
every
step
of
the
process.
Previously
you
had
like
six
weeks
to
do
the
questionnaire
this
time
it
was
2.14
right,
15
days,
we're
drilling
the
interviews
this
week
as
much
as
possible.
Amap
as
Laura
said,
get
your
feedback
in.
F
F
A
F
Just
by
coincidence,
I
happen
to
be
on
almost
every
slate,
so
I
hope
everybody's
reassured
now
more
seriously.
As
I
said,
we
got
a
late
start
questionnaires,
weren't
ready.
Some
of
the
messages
that
went
out
to
the
candidates
was
boy,
I
really
blew.
It
was
confusing
because
it
said
your
questionnaire
is
below,
or
in
one
place
that
said,
your
questionnaire
is
going
to
be
attached
and
that'll
be
fixed
in
the
data
tracker
in
the
future
release.
It
is
very
hard
to
test
data
tracker
changes
for
nam-com.
F
It
doesn't
happen
very
often
on
like
drafts
and
and
that
standard
workflow.
There
was
a
new
version
of
openssl,
always
a
danger.
Private
key
upload
didn't
work
until
Robert
and
I
got
on
a
zoom
zoom
call
and
he
fixed
it.
What
that
meant
is
every
comment
you
sent
to.
Nam
com
is
encrypted
and
the
key
to
decrypted
or
the
key
to
decrypt.
The
encryption
key
is
only
shared
among
the
non-com
members
so
that
nobody
else
can
see.
You
know
when
we
say
your
your
information
is
confidential,
including
your
questionnaire
responses.
F
That's
also
called
Financial.
We
didn't
lose
any
feedback
we
held.
You
know
held
things
in
the
moderation
queue
until
we
got
that
all
fixed
and
we
did
some
tests
and
it
works
the
flow
from
AMS
to
the
data
tracker
for
the
registrations
getting
people
who
had
registered
and
qualified
automatically
entered.
That
was
a
manual
process.
People
may
remember
I
said:
oh,
we
we've
had
like
12
more
people
or
20
more
people
who
qualified
that's
going
to
now
be
automatic
in
the
future.
F
There
was
an
appeal
when
I
had
to
disqualify
someone
that
added
some
delay
to
the
process.
All
this
will
be
in
the
report
that
you
can
not
read
at
the
end
of
the
next
meeting.
It
was
reasonable
to
make
the
the
appeal
that
also
took
some
time.
We
did
have
a
backup
plan
and
so
on.
There's
ambiguities
in
the
RFC
that
controls
the
nomination
process,
8713
a
router
or
file
to
make
sure
all
of
those
things
are
cleared
up
in
the
future.
F
We
did
end
up
with
a
verified
process,
at
least
three
people
verified
and
so
on.
I
sent
out
several
mails
to
candidates,
warning
them
about
the
deadline.
I
was
told
that
some
people
never
got
the
mails
because
they
have
a
filter
that
ignores
their
names
on
BCC
I,
don't
think
that's
my
fault.
I
did
also
send
out,
announced
mails
to
ietf,
announced
warning
people
about
the
deadlines
and
got
a
couple
messages
saying:
why
are
you
sending
this
spam
to
all
of
the
ITF?
So
I?
Guess
you
can't
win?
F
There
was
concern
as
I
said,
feedback
was
lost
that
that
didn't
happen.
Male
aliases
and
SPF
dkim
do
not
interact
very
well
with
mailing
lists
wow.
Do
they
not
interact?
Well
at
all,
so
we
had
to
convert
things
from
an
alias
to
a
mailing
list.
It's
not
archived
and
all
this,
but
all
that
is
handled
now
back
to
the
thing.
I
really
wanted
to
say,
which
is
thanks
to
the
people.
F
Robert
Glenn,
Jennings,
Holland
Glenn
from
ASL
could
not
do
the
job
without
them.
They're,
amazing
and
full
of
energy,
and
like
do
you
need
this
now?
Do
you
need
this
today?
Do
you
need
this
tomorrow,
the
voting
volunteers?
It's
well
never
mind
being
analogy.
People
are
really
very
dedicated.
We
had
meetings
where
we
went
through
the
questionnaires.
We
had
meetings,
video
meetings
where
we
went
through
the
list
of
questions.
F
We
would
ask
all
the
nominees
lots
of
points
were
seriously
considered
and
there
was
very
reasoned
discussion
from
across
the
voting
volunteers
and
they
are
doing
a
really
excellent
job.
Listening
to
the
interviews,
I
try
to
sit
on
it
as
many
as
I
can
the
discussions
there
and
the
interviews
are
very
thoughtful.
The
candidates
for
the
most
part
are
giving
very
thoughtful
answers
and,
finally,
the
whole
ITF
community,
having
been
on
the
losing
end
of
things
multiple
times.
F
B
Thank
you
Rich,
this
is
a
non-com
chair
is
really
probably
the
most
thankless
job
in
the
entire
organization.
So
we're
very
happy
you.
You
took
it
on
oh
yeah
and
if
thank
you
for
picking
up
your
mask
too
so
so.
Thank
you
very
much
again
right.
This
is
really
a
critical
role,
and-
and
thank
you
to
all
the
non-com
volunteers-
can
I
actually
sort
of
those
of
you
who
are
in
the
room
who
are
on
the
norm.
Commerce
voting
members.
B
B
Thank
you
you're
also
doing
a
thankless
and
critical
job.
So
so
we
all
rely
on
on
your
good
choices,
so
make
them
right,
which
brings
us
to
the
LLC,
which
is
first
J
Daley,
the
executive
director
who
is
getting
up
and
then
Jason
livingood,
who
could
probably
also
already
come
up,
that
we
have
a
smooth
Handover,
and
this
is
the
slide
deck
that
has
all
the
logos
I'm
just
going
to
give
this
away
now.
G
Hello,
so
I'm
Jay,
Daley,
I'm,
the
iitf
executive
director
or
the
mask
police
as
I
think
many
of
you
have
come
across
for
the
last
few
days.
Thank
you
for
cooperating
and
thank
you
also
to
all
of
those
people.
Who've
come
up
thanking
me
for
doing
that.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
who
are
really
quite
very
strongly
in
favor
of
this.
So
that's
worked
out
quite
well.
G
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
again
to
our
itf115
host
Cisco.
They
came
stepped
in
at
the
last
minute
for
this
one.
They
were
very,
very
helpful.
They
let
us
organize
so
many
of
things
and
altogether
I
think
they
provided
us
with
a
fantastic
meeting
and
an
excellent
social
defense.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Cisco.
G
I'd
like
to
go
through
our
sponsors,
so
we
have
a
a
bunch
of
sponsors
who
provide
us
equipment
and
services
for
free
or
for
relatively
low
cost
anyway.
So
we
have
Cisco
and
Juniper
who
provide
us
extraordinarily
large
amounts
of
equipment
entirely
for
free,
which
is
what
the
knock
uses
to
run
the
network
with
and
things
we
have
Cisco
who
provide
us
WebEx,
which
we
use
for
interim
meetings
and
various
other
video
conferencing
things
cloudflare.
G
We
are
part
of
the
Galileo
program
and
each
time
we
ask
cloudflare,
can
we
join
have
another
service
for
free,
Cloud,
Fair
say
thank
you
for
yes,
of
course,
and
give
us
another
service
for
free.
So
that's
going
very
nicely.
Scout
APM
is
a
monitoring
service
that
we
use
for
our
for
database
performance
and
for
our
application
performance,
and
somebody
will
have
to
tell
me
what
Sentry
does
for
us,
because
I
wasn't
expecting
that.
But
thank
you
very
much
century.
G
So
thank
you
very
much
for
those
sponsors
and
also
on
to
our
gold,
diversity
and
inclusion
sponsors
we'll
do
the
thanks
to
all
of
the
sponsors
at
the
end
of
this
bit.
So
we've
had
diversity
inclusion,
as
you
know,
that
pays
for
our
fee
waivers
that
pays
for
our
child
care
and
various
other
things.
So
at
the
Gold
level,
which
is
a
large
amount
of
money.
Thank
you.
We
have
Akamai
Cisco
and
Huawei,
then
for
our
gold
sustainability
sponsor
now
we
have
Oracle,
which
is
very
helpful.
G
You
may
be
aware:
we've
now
been
through
a
process
to
discuss
how
we
measure
our
carbon
emissions
from
meetings
and
to
look
at
what
forms
of
offsets
we
might
do.
The
plan
is
that
for
the
meetings
next
year,
we'll
be
hopefully
engaged
in
some
form
of
offset
scheme,
so
that
we'll
be
doing
what
we
can
well,
what
we
can
actually
means
not
traveling,
but
we'll
be
doing
anything
that
we
can
to
mitigate
the
effect
of
traveling
in
that
way.
G
G
G
And
then,
finally,
to
British
Telecom,
our
connectivity
sponsor,
who
give
us
the
circuits
for
free
and
our
local
supporter
there
help
with
Visa
letters
and
these
sort
of
things.
We
can't
do
this
without
these
type
of
organizations
and
we
it's
marvelous.
If
there's
something
about
people's
support
for
the
ITF,
that
means
whichever
City
we
go
to.
We
have
an
engineer,
is
able
to
go
to
talk
to
their
manager
and
the
manager
says
yes
to
thirty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
lines
being
put
in
immediately
for
us,
it's
remarkable,
absolutely
Mark.
G
So
I'll
go
through
the
volunteers
a
little
bit
more,
so
we
had
a
code
Sprint
on
Saturday
and
the
volunteers
are
here
from
those
who
participated.
Thank
you.
We
have
a
bunch
of
volunteers
from
a
knock
and,
as
you
may
have
heard
me
mention
before
those
are
supported
by
their
employers
and
their
employers,
give
us
considerable
amount
of
their
time
to
help
with
the
knock
and
it's
fantastic.
It
makes
a
big
difference
here.
We
have
a
problem
as
we're.
G
Setting
up
the
network
and
Joe
Clark
from
Cisco
is
on
the
phone
to
a
senior
engineer
who
talks
to
another
engineer
and
the
people
in
The
Hope
running
the
hotel
I.T,
you
know
drop
dead
from
Surprise
because
they've
never
seen
that
before
so
it.
You
know
it's
very,
very
useful
to
us
works
very
well.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
those
volunteers,
foreign
there's
always
a
lot
of
clapping
in
my
bit.
Okay.
So
so
then
we
move
on
to
the
the
entire
hard-working
team.
G
So
we
have
the
Secretariat
a
number
of
people
here
from
the
Secretariat.
We
have
the
knock
line.
Speed
employs
the
ones
who
come
and
put
the
stuffs
up
for
us
and
things
we
have
the
meteco
team,
of
course,
who
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
you
know,
but
Simon
from
miteko
came
a
couple
of
days
late,
because
he
was
still
finishing
his
class
that
he
teaches
at
University.
You
know
miteco
is
a
an
incredible
organization,
I'm
glad
we
work
with
them
on
the
tool
side.
G
G
And
in
case
you
need
a
photograph
of
all
of
us.
I've
lost
roughly
28
pounds
since
that
was
taken,
so
I've
got
a
new
one,
coming
very
shortly,
okay
and
then,
finally,
so
an
option
if
you
know
that
the
way
that
our
meetings
work
is
that
we
have
these
companies
who
are
a
global
host
and
Global
supporters,
so
they
sign
a
long
contract
with
us
generally,
six
or
nine
years.
They
pay
us
a
fee
every
year
towards
this,
and
then
they
get
an
opportunity
to
host
a
meeting
with
a
host.
G
Do
the
global
supporters
just
pay
us
because
they
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do?
We
meet
with
these
people
at
every
meeting
and
we
sit
down
and
we
talk
to
them.
We
ask
them:
what
value
are
you
getting
from
your
sponsorship?
You
know
what
more
could
we
do
and
the
answer
always
is
we're
doing
it,
because
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
want
to
support
the
ITF,
don't
worry
about
the
value?
Oh
and
the
coffee.
Carts
are
lovely.
So
really,
you
know
I
can't
do
this.
G
G
So
itf116
will
be
in
Yokohama,
that's
hosted
by
wide.
They
will
come
and
do
a
little
presentation
about
that.
So
I'd
like
to
watch
about
that
future
meetings,
locations
of
venues
so
as
you've
seen,
we
have
now
announced
122
Bangkok
just
yesterday,
so
we
have
I
think
on
that
list.
We
have
Vancouver
Bangkok
and
Madrid
that
have
all
been
rescheduled
from
covid
times.
G
We
are
with
119
close
to
something
there.
We
think
and
we'll
be
able
to
announce
that
quite
soon,
that's
an
exciting
one
coming
up
and
with
Europe
were
you
still
arguing
every
day
about
what
we
think
the
particular
issues
with
that
one,
but
we're
very
close,
hopefully
to
getting
that
one
as
well?
Okay,
so
we
should
have
that
full
pipeline
filled
quite
shortly
and
see
where
we
go
from
there.
G
So
onto
the
intf
endowment,
so
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
aware
that
we
have
an
endowment,
it
was
created
to
support
the
ITF
and
its
activities
for
the
long
term
to
give
us
Financial
Independence,
so
that
we
end
up
with
a
diversity
of
income.
While
we
have
those
companies
that
have
sponsor
us
for
our
meetings,
while
we
have
money
from
the
internet
Society
it
all
of
this,
it
relies
on
two
or
three
small
markets.
You
know
preparative
globally.
G
The
domain
name
side
from
internet
Society
equip
manufacturer
and
services
operators,
so
we're
looking
to
diversify
income
by
receiving
as
much
money
as
we
can
and
having
that
as
an
investment
enables
us
to
continue
throughout
whatever
may
happen.
In
the
ups
and
downs
coming
and
there's
I
think
a
number
of
us
are
seeing.
It
looks
like
there's
a
potential
downcoming,
so
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
prepare
for
these
sort
of
things.
G
The
internet
Society
continue
to
give
us
very
large
sum
of
money,
ripe
and
lack
clinical
benefactor
donor
for
their
leadership
gifts,
and
then
we
have
several
individuals
who
gave
us
money
this
year,
which
is
very
good
of
them.
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
really
helps
with
us,
so
thank
you
to
all
of
our
downloads.
Thank
you.
H
All
right,
thank
you.
Everybody
Jason
lovingood,
for
the
itflc
board.
Let's
get
started,
these
are
the
current
serving
board.
Members
Maya
sends
her
regrets.
She
is
home
with
two
sick
children,
which
is
never
fun,
so
we
wish
her
and
her
kids
the
best
and
the
Nom
come
this
year
will
be
seeking
to
replace
Peter,
who
is
term
limited,
so
Peter's
done
a
great
job,
big
shoes
to
fill
so
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
that,
any
feedback
that
folks
have
on
those
nominees
is
appreciate
it.
H
H
We
continue
to
focus
on
fundraising
progress.
We've
got
this
wonderful
matching
program
right
now
and
we
are
really
doing
our
best
to
try
to
encourage
donors,
and
these
take
a
long
time
to
cultivate
and
folks
that
are
usually
willing
to
write
checks
of
that
size.
You
know,
don't
do
it.
You
know
at
the
spur
of
the
moment.
They
give
it
quite
a
lot
of
thought
which
you'd
expect,
but
we've
got
a
great
matching
program
just
to
keep
banging
that
drum.
H
So
looking
for
for
some
progress
there
and
thankfully
with
the
ietf
trust,
Glenn
does
not
have
coveted
this
meeting,
so
we
are
having
an
advantage
now
that
we're
back
in
person
to
have
a
joint
meeting
between
the
trust
and
the
LLC
and
in
particular,
since
they
are
moving
into
this
new
corporate
structure.
Talking
about
how
we
can
better
support
them,
you
know
what
funding
needs
they
have
for
next
year
and
so
on.
H
So
that's
continuing,
of
course,
we're
in
the
midst
of
2023
budgeting
and
you'll
hear
more
about
that
at
some
point
soon,
and
you
know,
as
we
lock
down
that
budget
and
then,
of
course,
there's
some,
you
know
more,
you
know
higher
level
long-term
questions.
We
always
continue
focusing
on
things
like
are
there
gaps
that
emerge?
You
know
post-isoc
spin-off.
We
did.
The
I
asked
it
to
retrospective
last
year
or
earlier
this
year.
Maybe
it
was.
H
We
continue
to
look
at
things
if
there
are
gaps
and
how
do
we
fill
them,
but
really
the
bigger
questions
are
are
sort
of
these
last
three
and
they
all
group
together.
You
know:
what's
the
new
normal
for
hybrid
meeting
attendance
numbers
and
how
do
we
adapt
and
that
really
means
how
do
the
contracts
for
venues
adapt
and
what
sort
of
room
size
commitments
or
block
commitments
are
there
and
what
are
the
cost
implications?
Look
like
you
know:
what
are
the
potential
cancellation
fees
for
changes
or
reductions?
H
So
here
are
the
implement
applications
of
some
of
those
things
so
putting
aside
for
a
moment
which
I'll
come
back
to
Investments,
the
on-site
meeting
registrations
were
much
lower
than
forecast
for
this
year
and
I.
Think
if
we
go
back
to
one
year
ago
from
now,
nobody
really
knew
what
was
going
to
happen
with
covid.
We
had
to
make
some
educated
guesses
and
some
of
those
guesses
you
know
were
not,
as
you
know,
close
to
what
the
reality
ended
up
being.
H
But,
of
course,
if
any
of
us
were
really
great
with
you
know
forecasting
what
would
happen
with
covid,
we
probably
you
know,
would
have
made
other.
You
know
investment
decisions
and-
and
you
know
what
have
you
so
that
was
I-
think
the
Big
Challenge
and
we're
trying
to
I
think
look
forward
to
next
year
and
the
years
beyond
that,
particularly
of
the
years
that
we're
signing
venue
contracts
for
you
know
what
does
that
mean
about
room
block
sizes
and
and
other
sort
of
commitments
that
go
along
with
that.
H
H
You
know
we're
not
looking
to
sell
any
investments
in
the
near
term,
and
so
you
know
these
are
just
sort
of
paper
changes,
but
obviously
the
the
global
stock
markets
have
had
some
challenges.
Lately,
What
with
you
know
a
war
conflict
in
Ukraine,
and
so
on.
So
we'll
see
what
happens.
Hopefully,
you
know
world
economies
take
a
turn
for
the
better,
but
it
does
look
like.
H
B
Thank
you
and
the
LLC
will
be
back
on
stage
later
for
Open,
Mic
and
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Alexis
Rossi,
the
new
risky
coming
to
this
stage
to
introduce
ourselves.
So
so,
as
you
know
that
we
had
this
restructuring
of
the
RFC
editor
process
and
with
that
came,
came
a
new
position
and
a
new
title
and
a
new
hire,
and
that
is
Alexis.
Welcome.
I
I
I
I
That
I
think
is
still
kind
of
a
little
bit
ill-defined
and
we're
still
sort
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
role
means
now
under
the
new
editor
model.
So
the
things
I'm,
starting
with
the
things
I'm
working
on
currently
are
an
R
revamp
of
the
RFC
Dash
editor.org
website.
That's
just
in
its
infancies.
If
you
have
any
feedback
you'd
like
to
provide
about
that,
let
me
know:
I
I
have
sent
out
a
document
to
a
small
number
of
people
and
that
will
be
continuing
as
we
go
through.
I
The
research
phase
and
you'll
be
asked
for
more
input,
also
working
on
our
archival
agreements,
making
sure
that
there
are
full
copies
of
the
rfcs
that
you
all
work
so
hard
on
in
other
institutions
and
that's
something
that
we
do
for
archival,
safe
keeping
and
getting
a
couple
more
of
those
set
up.
So
basically,
that's
where
we
are
right
now
and
I've
only
been
doing
this
for
about
two
months
and
I
would
really
love
to
hear
from
you.
I
So
I'm
gonna
have
some
office
hours
tomorrow
from
1
to
3
30
at
the
RPC
desk
down
by
registration.
Come
by,
say,
hello,
talk
to
me
about
any
of
the
things.
I
just
said.
Ask
me
questions
about
anything
you
want
give
me
information.
Help
me
get
acclimated
here.
I
am
still
only
about
60
on
the
acronyms
at
this
point,
so
it's
nice
to
meet
all
of
you
and
I
hope
to
speak
to
every
single
one
of
you.
Eventually,
all
right
thanks
foreign.
B
J
J
So
the
first.
What
I
like
to
point
out
is
the
trustee
is
made
up
of
five
trustees,
they're
appointed
three
of
them
from
the
non-com
one
from
the
isg
and
one
from
the
isoc
Board
of
Trustees
I'm.
The
chair,
Kathleen
Moriarty,
who
couldn't
be
here
for
this
IHF,
is
the
treasurer
Joel
helper
he's
around.
So,
if
you
see
him
in
the
Halls
say,
hi
Stephan
Wagner
is
also
here:
I,
don't
trustees
and
Victor
hersing.
He
is
a
trustee,
I
think
he's
round.
I
saw
him
yesterday.
J
When
I
first
started
coming
to
the
ITF
many
years
ago,
I
would
come
to
the
plenary
and
the
customer
can
come
up
and
talk
about
what
the
trusts
had
done
that
time
and
they
would
often
say
we
haven't
been
sued
by
anybody
recently,
and
that
was
awesome.
But
I
didn't
quite
ever
understand.
Really.
Why
and
I
didn't
understand
what
the
trust
did
and
then
I
somehow
found
myself
as
a
trustee
and
I
somehow
found
myself
eventually
his
chair
and
I
guess:
I
had
to
figure
it
out.
J
This
is
sort
of
the
big
picture
of
how
it
helps
the
ITF
develop
standards.
So
you
know
we
all
come
together
and
we
write
drafts
and
we
make
comments
on
microphones.
Those
are
all
ITF
contributions
and
those
are
going
to
two
places.
One
of
them
goes
into
the
ITF
itself.
Right
goes
into
all
of
us.
When
we
sit
in
our
media
rooms,
we
work
on
our
our
various
working
groups.
J
J
They
were
done
back
in
2005,
but
in
short,
the
trust
takes
care
of
those
granted
rights.
It
tells
the
ITF
yep.
We
got
this
stuff
go
ahead
and
use
it
in
your
development
process.
The
IHF
goes
off
and
creates
rfcs
which
it
publishes,
and
then
it
goes
IHS
trust
here
is
the
copyrights
on
all
those
rfcs
we've
produced.
We
take
that
and
we
license
it
to
the
entire
world
and
we
we
don't
charge
a
fee.
J
We
really
don't
charge
a
fee
to
anybody
for
any
of
this
stuff,
but
we
say
world
can
use
the
stuff.
The
ITF
produced
the
contributions,
the
rfcs
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
it's
really
easy
click
here,
read
it
go
ahead
and
go
go
work
and
it's
a
really
powerful
process
and
I'm
very
proud
to
be
part
of
that
part
of
the
process
that
help
enable
it,
because
the
idea
is
really
cool.
J
Thank
you
so
updates,
since
ITF
114
of
the
trust
tokon
one
new
protocol
badge,
thank
you
for
Bob
Briscoe
and
who
signed
it
over.
The
l4s
protocol
badge
is
part
of
the
the
stuff
we
now
protected.
It's
available
on
the
its
protocol.
Badge
page,
you
can
take
and
show
your
support
for
l4s
we've
had
a
change
in
our
legal
representation.
Thank
you
been
a
lot
for
the
many
years.
You
served
the
ITF
trust
and
you
continue
to
serve
the
rest
of
the
ITF.
Thank
you
Brad
and
Victor's.
J
In
particular,
they
really
helped,
during
the
asset
to
transition
to
handle,
updating
the
trust
documents
and
a
lot
of
the
software
licenses
or
sorry,
not
soft
lights,
but
the
copyright
licenses
and
all
the
stuff
that
you
used
for
those
things
like
protocol
badges,
they
just
wrote
so
thank
you
and
we
now
have
a
new
representation.
Andy
upper
Grove
from
gessemer
up
to
Grove
will
be
representing
the
trusts
as
our
lawyer
going
forward.
J
There's
a
couple
other
things
here.
We
had
a
report
where
it
was
a
an
error
in
the
trust
FAQs
on
our
website,
and
so
we
took
that
in
we
took
a
look
at
it
and
gosh.
They
were
right.
What
had
happened
was
at
some
point.
Two
RFC
references
had
got
swapped
and
it
would
be
way
too
hard
to
explain
which
one
went
where
so.
J
One
of
the
things
we've
been
doing
is
restructuring
the
ietf
trust
from
a
Virginia
trust
over
into
a
not-for-profit
corporation.
The
this
has
largely
been
done
because
there's
been
some
problems
emerge
in
the
trust
operating.
One
of
the
big
problems
was
that
insurance
that
we
have
to
carry
on
our
trustees,
because,
if
you're
a
trustee,
you
carry
a
lot
of
personal
liability
because
you
literally
are
signing
up
to
have
great
your
legal
responsibility
for
these
assets.
You
carry
a
lot
of
legal.
J
You
know
liability
around
you,
and
so
we
carry
Insurance
on
everybody.
The
trouble
is,
we
can't
increase
that
amount
of
insurance.
The
marketplace
is
very
difficult
for
trust
to
get
insurance,
and
so,
after
some
analysis,
we
said
well
one
way
to
sell
that
is
to
convert
trustees
from
trustees
to
directors
on
a
board
of
a
corporation
they're,
both
not
for
not
for
profits.
Trust
us
currently,
the
new
one
will
be
too,
but
this
is
a
huge
problem
and
it
was
a
lot
of
people
said.
J
I
won't
be
a
trustee
because
of
that
liability
and
a
lot
of
Trustees
worry
about
this.
That's
work.
That's
continuing
to
2023
I'll
show
you
another
slide
where
we're
at
right.
Now,
if
you
want
to
find
more
information
about
this
stuff
in
the
consultation
process
we
went
through,
it
was
about
two
month
thing.
We
did
earlier
this
year,
Eagle
trustee
website
and
there's
videos
and
stuff
like
that.
You
can
see
the
whole
thing
play
out
discussions
and
how
we
work
through
and
thought
through
the
process
One
update.
J
When
we
did
that
process,
we
had
been
told
by
the
state
of
Delaware
that
they
were
totally
cool
with
us,
calling
the
new
Corporation
the
ITF
trust,
which
we
thought.
Okay,
it's
a
trust,
that's
going
to
be
a
corporation
that
can
be
a
little
confusing.
That's
why
we
asked
permission
up
front
when
we
actually
went
and
found
that
Articles
of
Incorporation
they
came
back
and
said
what
that's
crazy.
You
can't
have
a
corporation.
It's
a
trust.
Those
are
two
different
things,
so
we
went
oh
okay.
J
Well,
we
did
ask
you,
but
all
right,
so
We've
chosen
a
new
name.
It's
actually
called
the
ITF
intellectual
property
management.
Corporation
I
try
to
get
just
call
it.
You
know
ITF
IP,
but
people
thought
there
might
be
a
little
confusion
with
itfip
and
IP
I.
Don't
know,
maybe
you
know
we
kind
of
called
the
v-necks
I,
don't
know
anyhow,
so
that
thing,
but
the
way
we're
going
to
thread
this
needle
is
we're
going
to
take
the
we
have
taken.
J
The
name,
ITF,
trust
and
Blended
them
back
in
to
the
bylaws
and
the
other
materials
are
on
the
corporation,
and
so
what's
going
to
really
happen
is
that
we,
as
the
community,
can
continue
calling
us
the
ITF
trust
the
documentation
we
have
will
refer
to
it,
and
even
the
a
corporate
article
material
will
refer
to
it
says
the
IHF
trust
also
known
as
this
other
thing,
so
we're
never
really
going
to
call
it
this
name
amongst
flight
company.
We're
always
going
to
be
addressed.
J
So
this
is
where
we're
at
the
process.
We
did
the
community
consultation
back
in
between
May
and
July.
We
decided
to
go
proceed
forward.
We
filed
the
paperwork
to
go
off
and
do
it
that
was
done
just
after
itf1
14..
So
the
next
thing
that's
happening
right
now
is
we're
finalizing
this
corporate
spinning
up
we're
dealing
with
things
like
hey.
You
can't
call
yourself
the
iitf
trust
Corporation,
because
that's
too
confusing,
but
we're
hopeful
it's
going
to
get
done
very
soon
and
right
after
that.
J
What
we're
going
to
do
next
is
apply
for
the
IRS
501c3
SAS,
which,
if
you're
familiar
with
IRS
tax
law,
which
is
an
awesome
thing
to
play.
You
know,
hang
around
in
that
gets
us
our
not-for-profit
status
once
that
is
approved.
The
next
thing
is
all
are
going
to
happen
in
parallel.
We're
going
to
take
the
assets
for
the
whole
thing,
give
them
a
new
thing
and
say
job
well
done.
J
If
you
would
like
to
hear
more
about
this
fascinating
topic
tomorrow,
from
1
to
2
p.m,
down
in
gmg1
come
and
talk
to
me
and
there'll.
Be
some
other
trustees
hanging
out
there.
We'd
love
to
hear
from
you
and
chat
and
discuss
what's
been
going
on,
I
will
leave
up
finding
GMT
one
up
to
you.
I
had
to
find
it
the
other
day
for
a
meeting.
It's
a
challenge.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
fun:
I,
don't
know
how
to
get
you'll
you'll
find
us.
J
B
There's
no
dollar
sign
attached
to
that,
and
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
makes
this
unique
because
we
license
this
stuff
out
freely
and
widely,
because
we
want
to
be
our
staff
to
be
used
by
everybody
right
since
we're
amongst
friends.
Here,
I
will
point
out
in
the
itu.
There's
an
error
going
back
from
the
planet
to
the
itu.
That
I
think
has
30
million
dollars
on
it
or
something
like
that.
B
It's
a
Tyson
or
Nakamura
Sun
here
and
wants
to
say
something:
I
see
somebody
running
over
there.
Thank
you
very
much
for
making
us
go
there
again.
It's
one
of
my
favorite
places
to
come
back
to
and
you
got
a
lot
of
Applause
and
we
announced
it
in
Philadelphia
and
I
think
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
Applause.
Now,
thanks
for
having
us.
K
So,
thank
you
that
and
I
know
Simon
from
the
award
project
board.
Members
and
I
would
say
that.
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
very
happy
to
supporting
the
ietf,
and
you
know
everybody.
You
know
invited
Japan
Yokohama
in
the
next
year
and
I
guess
everybody
know
the
Oklahoma
and
so
the
one
things
I
want
to
share
of
the
related
to
the
next
ietfs.
So
I
want
to
introduce
as
icon
as
iPhone
is.
L
L
That
is
no
sentence
of
the
old
Pacific
meeting
space,
so
that
is
a
very
nice
space
and
the
the
next
time
the
is
this
screen
the
last
time
there
was
the
November,
but
this
time
it
is
our
spring.
So
it's
very
good
season
for
the
achieve
Rossum,
so
I
think
you
can
enjoy
the
cherry
blossom
there,
of
course,
as
well
as
your
productive
meeting
there
so
and
the
as
mentioned
by
the
last.
We
have
several
restrictions.
L
We
still
have
several
risk
restrictions
for
the
entry
to
Japan,
but
the
the
the
Restriction
is
lifted
now
so
I
think
many
of
you
I
mean
many
of
many
countries
has
a
Visa
exemption
now.
So
please
we're
going
to
share
the
information
later
before
the
meeting,
but
I
think
the
only
match
you
can
enter
to
Japan,
easily
I
hope
and
yeah.
So
yeah,
that's
all
for
from
me.
So
the
you
have
two
days
more
in
the
London.
K
B
Logos
on
the
slides
next
time,
I
think
so.
This
is
it's
really
good
to
see
that
there's
this
broad
support
from
the
local
industry
as
well.
Well,
many
of
them
are
global
companies,
but
they're
based
in
in
Japan
and
I'm,
certainly
going
to
look
forward
to
like
spending
some
extra
days
and
looking
at
some
cherry
blossoms
and
like
maybe
going
to
KO
and
giving
a
talk
and
stuff
like
that.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
great
meeting.
B
I'm
really
excited
in
case
you
couldn't
tell
which
brings
us
to
another
thing
that
I'm
really
excited
about
which
is
Jonathan
Jonathan
B
Postell
award
I
actually
used
to
be
a
student
at
isi
during
the
time
when
John
was
still
there
in
the
corner
of
his
on
the
11th
floor,
I
want
to
say,
and
it
was
really
at
the
time-
I
didn't
quite
you
know
it
was
John.
He
was
always
there.
You
know
he
was
excellent,
but
it's
sort
of
only
after
a
certain
number
of
years.
B
Do
you
realize
how
impactful
he
really
was,
and
so
an
award
was
created
in
his
name
to
honor
somebody,
who's
who's
done
great
service
to
the
broader
internet
community
and
we
have
a
very
deserving
awardee
tonight
and
I.
Think
I
have
somebody
coming
up
and
I
want
to
see.
It
says:
Andrew
Sullivan,
but
I'm,
not
quite
sure
and
Andrew
is
coming
so
I
wasn't
wrong.
B
M
And
it's
named
of
course
in
honor
of
John
postel
who
died
a
number
of
years
ago.
Last
year
there
was
a
gap,
because
the
committee
who
who
make
this
award
are
not
like
it's
not
me
and
the
staff.
Instead,
it's
it's
a
committee
of
volunteers
who
are
who
are
prior
awardees
of
this,
and
there
was
some
development
of
additional
well
expressed
criteria,
and
then
every
year
they
will
use
those
criteria
to
award
to
make
this
award
this
year.
M
M
George
has
a
very
long
history
on
on
the
internet
and
in
in
working
with
the
internet.
But
a
particular
note
that
I
want
to
I
want
to
raise
here
are
his
contributions
to
the
to
the
development
of
the
internet
around
the
world
connectivity
and,
in
particular
the
development
of
the
inet
program,
at
that.
M
N
N
N
Don't
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
really
honored
by
this
award,
and
even
the
more
so
that
it
was
Joe
I
was
chosen
on
the
basis
of
my
relationship
with
my
peers
and
their
assessment
of
contributions,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
these
workshops
would
not
have
been
possible
had
it
not
been
for
many
other
volunteers
we
had
about
the
workshops
ran
for
10
years
and
we
had
about
15
to
30,
volunteers,
teaching,
administering
Logistics,
etc.
For
each
year
these
people
gave
up
two
to
three
weeks
and
maybe
more
of
their
lives.
N
They
developed
curricula
offline.
They
did
a
number
of
other
things
offline.
They
looked
at
student
applications
Etc,
and
actually
there
may
be
some
volunteers
here,
I,
don't
know
the
person
I
can
think
of
is
Randy
Bush,
who
may
be
here
or
may
not
be
I,
don't
know
just
to.
As
a
historical
note,
it's
worth
remembering
that
in
1992,
when
the
first
Workshop
was
being
conducted,
Randy
was
run
connectivity
to
several
African
countries
through
various
64
KB
leased
lines
that
terminated
in
his
bedroom
in
Portland,
Oregon
and
then
were
connected
to
the
internet.
N
That
was
the
State
of
Affairs
and
one
of
the
tracks
we
did
took
what
we
taught
was
how
to
connect
your
com,
your
your
country
to
the
internet,
and
one
of
the
ways
which
was
used
was
a
protocol
which
I'm
sure
doesn't
exist
anymore
slip
which
allowed
dial-up
connections
to
the
internet.
This
was
the
situation
we
were
faced
with,
and
that
was
a
time
when
digital
bits
went
over
analog
lines
and
they're
owned
by
telephone
companies
which
situation
which
is
totally
reversed
today.
So
so
those
people
deserve
a
lot
of
credit.
N
So
why
did
we
do
this?
We
didn't
conceptualize
it
quite
at
this
time,
quite
like
this
at
the
time,
but
but
I
think
several
of
us
Randy
for
sure.
I
also
had
had
experience
with
the
working
in
developing
countries
and
doing
technology
transfer,
and
when
you
went
into
a
developing
country
and
I
would
always
go
to
the
university
to
see
what
kind
of
Technical
Resources
there
were.
N
The
University
Library
could
often
be
fit
in
one
room,
much
much
smaller
than
this
room
and
the
technical
books
might
fit
on
two
bookshelves
and
the
networking
and
Computing
bits
might
fit
on
one
shelf
or
less.
So
there
was
clearly
a
lack
of
information
about
developments
and
a
lack
of
communication
with
colleagues
we
saw
excuse
me.
N
We
saw
evidence
that
there
were
problems
that
these
people
were
facing
in
all
countries,
and
not
only
in
the
technology
in
in
agricultural,
in
Industry
Etc
and
one
of
one
of
the
definitions
of
information
poverty
is,
you
know
you
have
a
problem
in
these
countries
and
you
don't
understand
what
exactly
what
kind
of
a
problem
it
is.
You
don't
know
whether
the
problem
has
it
is
being
met
by
anybody
else.
In
any
other
place,
you
don't
know
how
to
find
out.
N
You
can't
find
out,
even
if
you
knew
you
probably
couldn't
communicate
with
them,
because
the
you
could
use
postal
mail
or
you
could
use
Telex
75
to
110
bits
per
second,
that
was
the
original
email
and
even
if
you
knew
who
they
were,
you
couldn't
contact
them
and
you
didn't
have
a
way
of
getting
the
information
you
needed
and
even
getting
the
the
confidence
that
you
that
your
problem
had
a
solution.
You
could
find
it.
So
we
saw
this.
N
We
saw
the
internet,
the
emergence
of
the
internet
as
a
way
of
breaking
down
those
communication
barriers,
and
that
was
the
motivation
and
by
god
it
worked
the
the
results
were
we
had
about
1500
participants
from
almost
all
developing
countries.
We
did
not
succeed
in
getting
anybody
from
North,
Korea
and
I'm
sure
we
missed
some
of
the
smaller
Island
countries
in
the
Pacific,
but
by
and
large
we
got
people
from
all
over
the
world,
even
the
especially
the
Russian
former
the
former
Soviet
Union
countries.
N
George
Soros
contributed
a
lot
to
us
to
to
make
that
happen.
We
developed
world
leaders
in
Telecom
and
in
the
internet.
We
I
think
there
are
four
of
our
students
became
Ministers
of
communication
and
information
technology,
two
of
them
well,
one
of
them
Tara
camel
in
Egypt,
was
a
major
force
in
developing
the
internet
in
Africa.
N
N
There
are
also
people
in
the
private
sector
in
ngos
who
were
leaders
now
in
their
countries,
but
were
our
students
and
they
developed
a
network
early
on
a
network
of
email
which,
as
soon
as
they
could
have
it
by
which
they
reinforce
their
own
concerns
and
solve
problems
in
that
email.
Network
grew
very
substantially
over
the
course
of
the
workshops.
N
So
isoc
played
a
critical
role
in
that
the
idea
came
in
1992
in
Kobe,
I,
remember
going
to
land,
Larry,
Larry,
landweber
and
saying:
look:
we
can
do
this,
we
can.
We
can
develop
this,
we
can
get
people,
we
can
train
them,
we
can
send
them
back
and
it
was
an
ill-formed
concept.
It
had
no
guarantees
of
success.
Larry
said:
here's
fifty
thousand
dollars,
you
raise
the
rest
and
do
it
and
we
did
it
and
as
a
result
of
that
success,
we
continued
for
the
next
eight
or
nine
years.
N
They,
the
internet
Society
quickly
took
the
program
under
its
own
Aegis
and
provided
the
support
and
the
encouragement
and
the
backing
that
was
required
for
us
to
continue
in
1992.
There
was
almost
no
place
that
you
could
go
in
the
world
to
get
formal
training
in
internet.
If
you
were
in
a
developing
country,
we
phased
out
the
workshops
in
2001
when
there
had
been
enough
critical
mass
formed
in
the
regions
and
in
a
lot
of
the
countries
so
that
they
were
no
longer
necessary.
N
B
Thank
you
George.
This
is
very
well
deserved
and
and
I
I
think
the
sort
of
spirit
from
the
early
days
of
dinner
and
it's
still
around
right,
sort
of
just
sort
of
doing
creative
things
to
solve
problems,
to
bring
people
together
and
and
thinking,
broadly
and
and
just
bringing
different
people
in
is
I
think
what's
still
around
and
it's
good
as
it
is
right
which
brings
me
to
another
slide
that
has
George
on
it.
B
B
So
if
you're,
an
IB
member
and
if
you're
here
please
come
up,
let's
see
miria
I
see
some
others.
And
if
you
have
a
question
for
the
IAB
there's
a
QR
code,
if
you
could
scan
it
so
that
we
can
put
you
into
the
virtual
queue
if
you're
remote,
and
if
you
want
to
ask
a
question
to
the
IB
or
any
of
the
other
open
mics
later
on,
you
know
you
can
get
into
the
queue
and
then
we
will
call
you
and
ask
you
to
unmute
and
show
us
your
video.
D
We'll
do
a
round
of
interact,
Ive
and
try
to
see
everybody
on
the
slides,
but
we'll
keep
the
mask
on
in
good
tradition
here.
So
if
you
actually
want
to
see
more
of
the
IB
without
mask
the
full
face,
you
have
to
ask
some
questions
because
that's
the
occasion
where
you
take
off
the
mask,
but
we
do
a
round
of
introductions.
We
start
with
you.
David
are
listening
to
me.
Yes,
no,
he
doesn't
David
hi.
D
A
D
T
Hi
all
Pete
Resnick,
so
when
you
posted
the
announcement
for
Warren
taking
over
the
liaison,
it
caused
the
conversation
and
I
thought,
I
meant
to
send
email,
but
you're
all
here,
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
do
more
with
Liaisons
in
particular,
when
you
made
the
announcement,
it
would
have
been
great
to
not
only
have
that
he
was
doing
this
and
Allison
was
stepping
down.
But
what
that
liaison's
about,
why
it's
still
important
to
keep
because
I
assume
you
folks
review
them.
T
Every
so
often
Warren
happens
to
be
an
AED
and
I
know
we
generally
don't
assign
liaison
ads
to
be
Liaisons
because
of
possible
conflicts
of
interest.
Why
that
was
an
okay
thing,
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
great.
You
know
opportunity.
Every
time
you
make
a
change
to.
Let
us
know
what's
going
on,
but
I
also
encourage
you
talk
to
some
working
groups
when
they're
doing
work
that
impacts
the
asons
and
kind
of.
Let
people
know
that
you're.
There
would
be
really
a
good
thing
over
the
long
term.
D
So
actually
that
feedback
reached
us
already
so
we're
aware
of
that
I
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things,
I
think
I'm.
We
already
know
that
we
can.
We
can
prove
the
information
we
provide
about
liaison.
So
that's
something
we
are
working
on
and
as
always,
the
IEP
is
slow
on
this,
but
we
are
working
on
that.
D
So
this
is
like
something
that
has
to
be
treated
very
carefully,
so
we
usually
try
to
replace
people,
but
it's
also
not
that
easy
to
find
people
in
the
space,
because
we
need
experts
that
are
kind
of
knowledgeable
in
both
organizations,
so
the
set
is
very
limited
and
but
gladly
a
lot
of
the
Leo
songs
are
actually
working
very
well
and
then
to
your
third
point
about
working
groups.
It's,
but
it's
not
always
required
to
heavily
official
years,
not
to
do
good
work.
D
We
actually
encourage
people
to
just
like
work
on
a
technical
basis
and
talk
to
each
other,
because
that
gives
us
the
best
outcome.
The
cases
where
we
have
leosource
there
is
some
kind
of
formal
requirement
where
we
otherwise
cannot
access
certain
documents
in
the
other
organization
or
where
it's
just
like
the
process
of
the
organization.
Is
that
like
requires
this
kind
of
process,
so
it
does
not
usually
come
from
our
side
from
our
side.
We
just
usually
try
to
work
together
and
do
good
work.
That's
the
main
incentive.
S
So
Pete
thanks
for
the
question,
it's
a
good
one,
I
I,
think
in
the
process
of
revamping
the
liaison
coordination
role
in
the
last
couple
years.
You
know
we've
made
a
lot
of
positive
changes
and
we're
not
done
yet
a
couple
of
ones
to
point
out.
One
is
in
fact
this
IAB
open
was
the
first
time
where
we
actually
had
a
presentation
from
a
liaison
manager
about
what
that
organization
was,
and
it
was
about
IEEE.
Thank
you
so
well
you
can
thank
Russ.
It
was
a
really
good
one.
S
S
S
One
of
the
other
things
that
we're
doing
a
lot
of
lately
is
asking
people
in
those
roles
who
are
the
other
ietf
members
that
might
be
participating
in
both
organizations
so
that
we
can
sort
of
start
building
a
list
of
and
understanding
who
is
who
is
available
to
fill
these
positions
in
the
case
of
Warren,
he
was
actually
the
only
person
that
volunteered
we
didn't.
We
did
make
a
call
for
volunteers
and
Warren's
like
I'll.
Do
it
if
nobody
else
does
so.
S
You
know,
Warren
got
the
job
that
there
are
a
couple
of
of
organizations
that
are
much
more
remote
and
less
familiar.
I
mean
Russ
talked
about
IEEE
today
and
I.
Think
most
people
here
at
least
have
some
knowledge
about
IEEE,
whereas
some
of
the
other
organizations-
that's
not
true,
and
so
our
goal
is
to
continue
that
education
over
time.
So
thank
you
for
the
question.
B
And
if
you
need
it
and
you
don't
have
it
right,
it's
a
little
bit
like
an
insurance
kind
of
thing
right.
So
so
it's
it's
not
a
bad
thing.
If
a
liaison
is
is
quiet
for
a
while
right,
it's
probably
actually
a
good
thing,
but
but
giving
it
up.
As
you
mentioned
that
right,
it
is
a
is
a
very
deliberate
choice
and
we
need
to
be
very
careful
that
that
when
we
do
that.
E
A
U
Why
thank
you,
Andrew,
camping,
I
think
it
was
really.
It
was
great
to
see
the
recent
M10
Workshop,
although
I
could
politely
say
it's
nearly
nine
years
after
the
publication,
RFC
es
7258
so
great
to
see
it,
but
maybe
could
be
done
quite
a
few
years
earlier
and
I
wonder.
Is
there
a
mechanism
for
the
community
to
sort
of
identify
things
where
the
IB
can
help
get
ahead
of
the
curve
in
considering
sort
of
big
significant
architecture
issues
to
give
direction,
rather
than
sort
of
catching
up?
D
But
I
also
have
to
admit
that
what
the
IEP
is
driving
also
depends
a
little
bit
on
the
members
on
the
IAB,
of
course,
and-
and
we
are
we
are
trying
to
or
like
the
Nom
come,
is
actually
doing
a
great
job
trying
to
cover
broad
expertise
on
the
IRB,
but
that
always
influences
on
where
we're
focusing
on,
because
we
also
just
have
limited
capacity.
Of
course.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
answers
your
question.
But
there
are
more
people
here.
P
Yeah,
so
one
way
is
to
send
us
email
and
there's
some
recent
examples
like
this
environmental
impacts,
Workshop
that
we're
Now
setting
up
for
for
next
month
that
actually
came
about
through
several
channels.
So
there
was
some
IED
members
who
were
interested
about
it
about
a
topic.
We
thought
this
was
important.
P
It
was
seen
as
in
some
parts
of
the
industry,
as,
as
you
know,
an
important
issue
to
solve,
but
we
also
got
connections
from
from
other
people
outside
the
IAB,
a
totally
different
groups
who
were
thinking
about
this
and
and
were
proposing
a
workshop
on
on
this
this
topic.
So
we
put
our
efforts
together
and
now
we
are
looking
forward
to
a
very
interesting
workshop
with
30
or
so
papers
submitted
from
different
angles.
P
D
D
B
B
B
B
Was
out
for
a
while
on
maternity
leave,
she's
back
now,
50
I
think
we're
very
excited
that
you're
back
and
that
you're
remotely
participating.
It
seems
to
be
a
good
window
now
for
you,
so
that
we
lined
that
up
perfectly.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
picking
a
timer
Francesca
can
be
with
us
with
the
video
on
let's
start
with
Martin
Duke
down
here,
and
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions.
D
X
Hi,
this
is
your
name,
so
my
question,
my
question
is
I.
Don't
think
this
is
iesg
responsible
things,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
the
mood
of
this
community.
So
few
days
ago
there
was
a
new
mailing
list
announcement
that
the
name
of
a
story
entering
AG
so
I
wonder
what
kind
of
story
we
are
collecting
for
this
ETF,
especially
for
the
local
story,
things
because,
as
a
Yokohama
resident
I'd
like
to
talk
about
something
about
Yokohama.
O
B
I
directly
thanks
for
the
question,
so
this
is
a
non-working
group
mailing
list
which,
which
is
not
technically
under
the
purview
of
the
isg
other
than
we
approve
it,
and
we
are
very
generously
improving,
almost
anything
but
I
think
we
have
a
moderator
or
the
initiator
of
the
list
of
slowly
walking
up
to
microphones.
So
Adrian
can
tell
you
exactly
what
the
list
is
for.
Q
Yeah
hi
I'm
Adrian
Farrell.
We
asked
for
this
list.
This
was
Olo
Johansson
and
I
asked
for
this
list
under
I
think
Warren's
care
as
sort
of
supervisor
of
affiliate
groups.
The
purpose
of
this
type
of
mailing
list
is
just
to
bring
people
together
from
the
community,
have
a
shared
interest
so
like
there's
a
list
for
people
who
go
running,
God
help
them
and
we
have
an
interest
in
stories.
Q
All
are
particularly
storytelling
me
writing
stories,
and
we
are
just
interested
to
see
if
there
are
people
who,
like
stories,
sharing
stories
and
one
possible
thread
to
all.
This
is
stories
about
the
history
of
the
internet
and
the
ietf
that
we're
aware,
maybe
getting
lost
in
time,
and
it
might
be
fun
to
collect.
B
R
And
yeah,
thank
you.
So,
seeing
as
you
talk
about
affiliate
groups,
a
quick
bit
of
background
on
him,
we
all
spend
a
lot
of
time
together
like
a
couple
of
weeks
a
year,
and
it
seems
silly
to
me
that
we
don't
have
a
way
to
sort
of
find
other
people
in
the
ITF
Community
with
shared
interests.
So
that's
kind
of
the
purpose
of
affiliate
groups.
R
If
you're
interested
in
something
you
know-
and
you
think
there
are
other
people
in
the
ietf
and
you
want
to
form
sort
of
a
social
group
or
a
way
to
find
each
other
and
self-organize.
That's
the
purpose
of
affiliate
groups
they're
linked
somewhere
in
data
tracker.
If
you
search
for
ietf
affiliate
groups,
you'll
find
the
page,
and
you
know
we
would
like
there
to
be
a
community
of
people
interested
in
the
topic
and
they're
really
easy
to
set
up.
D
Y
How
do
they
work
together
to
make
a
better
standard,
as
as
I
have
seen,
some
a
new
working
group
is
is
established
as
let's
say,
Computing
aware
or
let's
say,
a
routing
protocol
is
aware
of
another
other
protocol
or
another
layer.
So
there
is
some
cross
cross
area
issues
here.
So
could
you
just
give
me
some?
Maybe
between
or
one
of
you
can
give
me
some.
B
Y
B
Often
different
approaches
right
so
so,
and
some
new
work
like
squarely
fits
into
one
area
and
there's
no
need
to
really
discuss.
You
know
whether
TCP
work
belongs
in
transport,
but
for
things
that
cross
the
area,
it
gets
interesting,
as
you
note
right
and
there's
a
bunch
of
different
ways
in
which
we
do.
This,
like
one
principle,
for
example,
is
that
you
look
at
where
are
the
harder
problems
right?
B
So,
for
example,
if
it's
a
thing
between
like
say,
security
and
transport,
we
would
say
you
know,
is
the
security
side,
the
heart
thing
or
is
the
transport
side,
and
so
we
would
sort
of
probably
then
place
it
with
the
area
where
we
believe
the
harder
problems
lie,
so
that
those
experts
have
it
a
bit
more
visible
on
their
radar
as
they
look
at
work,
groups
and
agendas.
But
there's
other
principles
and
and
I
see.
Eric
has
a
stand
up.
O
That,
like
young,
any
working
group
share,
can
request
a
young
directorate's
review
or
DNS
directorate
review,
which
I'm
sure
already
some
kind
of
cross
area
relationships,
and
quite
often
we,
when
we
spot
this
when
we
talk
with
chairs
as
an
idea,
I
understand
that
the
chairs
have
some
document
in
my
areas
my
working
group
say:
oh,
please
request
the
working
group
last
call
to
also
be
said
and
forward
it
to
another
working
group
and
essentially
some
you
say,
cross
area
collaboration
we
even
within
an
area.
So
there
are
multiple
ways
of
doing
it.
R
Warren
yeah
I
mean
Eric
covered
a
lot
of
it
already,
but
there's
also
sort
of
when
new
work
starts
up.
We
try
and
have
Buffs
and
we
try
and
schedule
them
when
sort
of
lots
of
people
can
show
up.
So
we
share
that
information
or
says
Eric
said
you
know:
80s
chat
amongst
themselves
a
lot,
especially
about
cross
area
stuff.
W
Add
on
all
the
other
techniques
we've
already
talked
about,
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
in
planning
up
front,
and
we
do
that
into
two
ways.
So
Lars
had
alluded
to
this
idea
of.
Where
is
the
problem
harder?
We
we
have
a
tendency
to
send
the
send
it
to
that
area,
but
we
even
have
a
further
refinement
of
that
is
to
make
sure
we
get
that
cross-area
collaboration
and
the
work
is
seen
by
both
areas.
We
often
assign
an
area
director
outside
of
the
the
place
where
it's
home.
We
have
a
couple
examples.
W
We
recently
weren't
sure
we're
Tigris.
There
were
issues
to
consider
in
art.
There
are
issues
in
sex,
so
it
is
in.
It
is
housed
in
the
art
area,
but
there's
a
responsible,
SEC
A.D.
We've
done
that
with
things
like
skim,
we've
done
it
with
Ojai,
so
this
model
kind
of
works
in
planning
up
front.
In
that
another
mechanism
we
use
to
plan
up
front
is
to
think
through
when
we
Charter
to
explicitly
build
into
the
structural.
W
V
Another
example:
we
have
is
working
groups
like
The
iot,
Ops
working
group,
we're
sort
of
covering
a
technology
area
that
spans
multiple
working
groups
in
the
ITF
and
the
purpose
of
that
working
group.
Is
it
necessarily
to
produce
lots
of
documents
to
act
as
like
a
coordination
point
between
the
working
groups
and
communication
point
between
the
different
sorts
of
work?
That's
happening
elsewhere.
So
that's
another
example
of
how
we
try
and
solve
this
sort
of
cross
cross
area
across
working
group
problems.