Internet Engineering Task Force Interim Meetings, 20 Apr 2022

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CBOR meeting session at IETF
2022/04/20 1400

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting//proceedings/

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Data tracker interface.

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We have at least one more.

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Let me see if there's anybody.

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In the seaboard, jabber room.

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I'm connected there so yeah. I am now.

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And we now have a carsten.

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We might have a very short meeting today if we don't get anybody else on.

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Let's give them a few more moments. Did I miss anything about michael, why he wouldn't be here. He.

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Sent me a message off list that he's trapped in today.

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I think he's very busy to at least the end of the week, so I'm probably going to do some of the processing for fire magic, so we can have some fixes in place for tomorrow's.

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Are you streaming.

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Yeah, it didn't seem like there was anything of much significance from that. So far,.

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No, but it's always a good idea to actually do the editorial stuff of course, so we don't have to waste time discussing that when it's just clear how to fix it.

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I think if we have no no one else by five past the hour, we should probably call it.

C

Yeah, while we're waiting for that, I can confess that I have put the thing to the thing research group meeting on the next c bar slot few weeks. From now.

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Sorry about that, but because we wanted to have certain participants, that was the only option we found.

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Is that a regular trg interim, I didn't see it on the counter yet.

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uh No, it's uh just the the interim we wanted to have after the the itf and we we have a specific subject, which is digital twins, and we have several people, including the digital twin consortium uh that that we try to draw in. So that's the reason why we weren't quite as flexible as we want it to be.

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Well, it doesn't show up on the upcoming meetings calendar yet yeah, that's because, uh right after this.

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Meeting I'm going to request their trip.

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Okay, I think we won't be many more people.

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Yeah, I think well, let's just uh is there anything that we can that we can should whatever talk about with just the chairs and karsten and ira, or should we just close the meeting.

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Well, I uh did this uh new uh revision of the opec and I really think this is ready for working glass call. We don't have to decide this here in this meeting. We don't have encouragement to decide anything, uh but maybe we could quickly discuss what we we're going to do next.

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Well, I don't, I don't think we need a formal uh working group decision to make a working group last call I can just as shepherd. I can just say that this is now in working group last call and if it raises any issues, then we deal with that. So so I will do that as soon as the call is over great.

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And I'll send a review as soon as I can wonderful.

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I have a question um for the idf meeting, the last one that we didn't need at um from the previous meeting. We thought that we would talk about cddl 2.0 in that time frame. Is there any one when we will reach some closure on cddl 2.0.

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Well, a lot of things have intervened.

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This was supposed to be done approximately by christmas last year, so yeah this this has been pushed behind, uh but uh I think uh if you look at the number of documents still in the zebra working group, um I think we have uh pushed most of the things through.

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So we should be ready to do that. Next,.

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Right, I think we we have um pac is the only document that is still in the working group. We haven't accepted any other documents. Oh that's not true. We also have the time tag and the time track is lighting up at the moment as well. So I I'm going to work on this this week.

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Weird thing is, I don't see the time tag right now in the data tracker.

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Yeah, that's a data tracker bug, okay um working group documents that have that are expired. Oh okay are not treated properly.

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Okay, now is time tank expired, probably because otherwise it would.

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Yeah, it actually is.

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Yeah, I I probably need to submit this really soon, because we we did do some work on this and sedate is now converging. So we can do the next version of the the time tag.

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So I'm trying to remember when the sea date meeting is.

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Oh, that's still being discussed uh carsten on briefly coming back to cdl 2.0 um is there? um If I remember correctly, your part of your implementations is already going in in a direction. Is there anything that we can try out yet.

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No, I I got uh stuck there because really the the part that I completely misjudged um is uh when, when you have a validator, then you actually want to extract information from that validator. So you essentially need an annotation format for validated document. A post schema validation instance, um that's the name in the xml world, and I thought I could simply pull that from the tips of my fingers and it turns out it's a little bit more complicated to do that.

C

So that's probably the next document that will surface or the next section in the freezer document that will surface defining that annotation information and if you have any specific idea of what actually should be in that annotation information.

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Of course, I would be very interested in hearing about that.

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So um if you think about the way annotations work in relax and g that that's also something that that could be done on the cddl uh side. So, for instance, you can um supply an alternate name for a rule or something like that.

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The way defaults are currently handled is a bit weird. um There are quite a few things that that could be done using this annotation uh concept, um so that's probably the the one that is most interesting at the moment, and uh apart from that, there's lots of sliders on on cdj 2.0. So uh I think we should collect that slider and maybe consolidate it into a single slide set.

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Cddl 2.0 the living proposal.

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Okay, um two more things I have put on the on the on the agenda notes: um one is: there is still this threat on the record proposal. um Yeah. Is there any kind of interest in my understanding? Is that the last major primarily uh chris asking for for how we can make process? And you not quite it's kind of thing you you thinking this is kind of mostly resolved.

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um If I got this right, um is there much drive and and do you see much drive anywhere else in the working group, or is this just something that we kind of wait for a more concrete proposal on or where we could make some? There is some statement missing.

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I think we should all review chris current proposal because that's uh done and we just need uh to find out whether we're happy with that and then we need to ask chris to actually register those tags.

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Sounds like he could record.

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um I'll take an action item to actually kind of make this request for for reviews a bit more visible on the on the mailing list.

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And the other item I wanted to mention is just briefly that file magic is might find its way into ace work and could be useful there, possibly without the other tags, but still taking this general concept of we have unstructured data. We want to indicate what it is over there with, um rather than doing a bespoke implementation. So it's fine, it's finding it's useful.

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Is there text already? No, so far, it's just um me reiterating what mark uh on the issue tracker what marco and I talked about in vienna, so um nothing more than the negative issue.

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Okay, if you can send me the the actual.

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I can finish this thanks.

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Okay, um on the other, any other business um issue um is carsten. Do you know of anyone else of the regulars who will be at that t2 tlg meeting, given that it's about digital twins? It's not something that I would necessarily join so.

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The question behind it is: um will we pause the the sebum meetings for that in that week, or will we just continue.

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I think we can just continue.

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Okay, then, if there is no other business.

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To address yeah- and I guess just just updating what we just said- um we should make a slightly earlier reminder and call for agenda items and we can cancel next. uh The next meeting, if there are no agenda items to put on it so I'll, take that as an action I'll set a quote for that, maybe thursday or friday before.

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So if we have no agenda items by tuesday, we can cancel the wednesday meeting. That would be great.

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Okay, wonderful, then, thanks, everyone see you in two or four weeks.

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