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DRIP meeting session at IETF
2023/06/28 1400
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting//proceedings/
A
It
was
bad
in
New
York,
actually
in
Montreal
it
it
was
pretty
bad,
but
I
mean
we
almost
escaped
that,
but
a
few
weeks
I
mean
last
a
few
days
ago.
It
was
more
or
less
the
same
immortal.
A
B
D
We
need
I
mean
Among
Us
right.
Obviously,
it's
two
step
forward
and
I
said
yeah.
Of
course
you
are
a
right
one,
but
I
would
prefer
and
sorry
Adam
to
put
pressure
on
you
that
Adam
is
there
because
I
mean
you
will
be
there
in
20
years
right.
Why
neither
students
know
me,
will
be
no
pressure.
It's
a
big
smile
right.
Think
about
it.
Yeah.
D
D
B
D
No,
no
no
I
mean
you're,
usually
and
I.
Don't
want
this
meeting
being
about
you
of
course
right,
but
you're,
obviously
taking
more
roles
within
the
ITF,
which
is
cool,
which
you
have
all
my
support
for
this.
Even
if
it's
stuff
different
than
drip
so
yeah,
we
need
somebody
for
taking
this
lyrical
hit
a
prefix
about
history,
because
yeah
we
can
hope
that
we
could
be
taking
over
by
other
Industries
than
us.
D
B
B
D
D
The
response
I
got
is
only
one
is
from
Stu,
and
you
completely
understand
that
I
prefer
somebody
which
is
cannot
the
same
profile.
I
mean
myself.
We
are
the
old
generation
right,
so
we
need
to
get
the
new
one
and
now
new
one
is
also
you
Danielle
and
and
Med
right.
If
you
want
to
step
forward
in
this.
B
D
C
A
So
for
those,
if
you
have
any
question,
let
us
know.
D
Wait
I
mean
basically
we
need
one
right,
so
we
can
do
it
if
somebody
volunteers,
based
on
the
recording,
that's
not
the
preferred
solution,
but
that's
one
way
of
doing
it.
A
A
C
At
some
point
about
the
future
of
the
of
the
working
groups,
once
we
have
I
would
say
the
authentication
and
the
registry
done
whether
we
we
stop
here
or
we
continue.
C
So
that's
something
that
they'd
like
to
to
have
formally
between
us
to
to
judge
whether
there
is
I
would
say
sufficient
energy
for
us
to
to
continue,
but
for
that
I
prefer
yeah
to
to
put
the
authentication
and
the
registers
on
the
right
path
and
send
it
to
Eric
for
I
would
say
that
the
next
and
hopefully
over
the
next
steps,
yeah
I,
think
yeah
we
can
we
can.
We
can
go
back
to
the
to
the
some
code
points
just
to
to
see
that
everyone
has
the
same.
C
I
would
say
understanding
of
the
current
situation
and
then
to
that
we
agree
on
the
next
steps
for
the
authentication
specifications.
D
So
talking
component
of
this
question
has
been
going
through
the
what
we
call
the
iatf
LLC,
which
is
basically
the
official
organization
of
the
I8,
yet
getting
the
money
right.
This
is
basically,
you
know
him.
So
that's
where
you
get
the
credit
card,
the
payment,
the
invoice.
D
Basically,
they
follow
what
the
isg
meaning
in
this
case
me
meaning
in
this
case
this
working
group
will
ask
so
for
the
400
from
my
Geo.
There
was
other
discussion
with
the
trust,
because
the
Trust
on
all
the
copyright,
the
logos
and
everything
so
do
they
also
own
the
code
points.
There
was
some
discussion,
but
typically
no,
so
we
have
solved
this
kind
of
lawyerish
saying
inside
I'm,
not
sure
what
everyone
was
in
copy,
but
evening
is
sold
so
first
step.
D
We
need
to
get
accio
shop
page
working
again.
It
worked
for
one
day,
but
it
doesn't
work
today,
at
least
for
me
right
once
it's
done,
I
will
send
copying
the
working
group
or
the
chair
can
do
it,
but
then
I
will
approve,
but
I
think
it's
easier
if
I
I
sell
it.
My
own
put
it
in
the
working
group
and
the
executive
director
meaningless.
D
Please
order
for
some
code
points
for
the
amount
of
four
and
with
dollars
yeah.
Well
into
that.
Once
we
get
them,
we
will
I
mean
obviously
give
them
to
the
to
the
draft
orders.
We
will
create
normally
a
Nayana
page
copying.
The
data
right
we've
clearly
indicated
to
its
code
forms
are
coming
from
Ikea
with
a
reference.
We
do
it
from
multiple
e,
because
most
of
the
people
are
looking
at
in
a
page
for
good
points
and
everything
ready
to
RSC,
and
then
we
go.
D
I
still
hope
to
get
a
reply
to
the
liaison
statement
to
astn
yeah
the
right
way
to
doing
it
is
going
to
Ikea,
but
and
so
on.
It
will
not
be
blocking
if
you
don't
get
okay,
so
basically
IQ
web
page,
going
on
myself
sending
an
image
copying
everyone
requesting
ietf
protocol
LLC,
so
the
guy
with
the
money
in
the
credit
card
to
get
the
good
points
once
you
get
them
because
it's
a
process
within
Akio
and
ASTM,
we
make
an
INR
page
and
we
update
the
draft
independently.
A
B
So
I
just
did
one
question
to
Eric
agree
with
the
Ayanna
setting
up
a
registry
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
the
auth
draft
right.
So
once
I
get
the
code
points,
I
just
have
to
create
an
Ianna
consideration
section
and
create
the
registry
point
and
everything
in
that
draft
and
insert
the
points
there
is
that
how
that
would
go
or
would
that
be
out
of
band.
D
C
Yes,
so
so,
and
the
the
other
step,
one
we
have
I
would
say,
the
document
updated
with
the
I
would
say
the
formal
could
point
at
our
assigned
by
the
Ikea.
So
then
we'll
have
to
figure
out
whether
we
have
we
will
need
another
last
call
just
to
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
okay.
C
We
used
to
have
two
in
the
past,
so
I'm
not
expecting
to
to
have
major
issues
on
this
on
this
version,
but
just
for
it
is
always
good
to
have
I
would
say
some
fresh
eyes.
So
I
will
revive
some
of
the
direct
threat
review
requests
for
this,
one
that
we
didn't
received,
especially
the
ones
from
the
from
the
UPS.
So
that's
that
will
be
on
our
side.
Once
you
update
the
version
sure,
okay.
D
B
D
B
No,
so
the
other
one
is
the
specific
session
ID
and
that's
already
dealt
with
because
it
was
burned
into
the
ASTM
standard
yeah.
So
it's
already
it's
already
given
to
us.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
B
Thank
you
yep
and
I
updated
their
information
spreadsheet
for
it
to
be
placed
in
the
registry
so
with
the
iesg
email
contacts
and
whatnot
so
perfect.
D
B
C
Okay,
so
I
didn't
check
the
the
issue
trackers
to
see
if
there's
something
that
will
stale
or
dormant
there
just
to
for
the
sake
of
I
would
say
making
sure
that
we
are
not.
We
didn't
forget
anything,
but
I
will
do
that
later,
but
I
trust.
You
Adam
that
you,
if
you
clean
the
the
issue,
that
means
that
they
are
fixed
and
the
I
would
say
the
text
was
updated
yeah,
but
I
I
will
do
my
checks
anyway.
So
yes,
okay,
so
I
think
that
we
we
can
move
to
the
next.
B
Sure
so
I
am
actually
don't
have
terribly
much
for
us
today.
I've
been
bogged
down
with
a
couple
other
things,
but
I've
been
just
chipping
away
at
the
reviews.
B
So
we
just
went
over
all
this.
That's
the
portal
there's
experiencing
technical
difficulties
woo.
B
This
is
literally
my
last
slide,
so
I'm
working
through
the
review
comments
right
now,
slowly
but
surely
I'm
hoping
to
get
the
new
version
out
by
the
end
of
the
week,
I
thought
the
burn
term
was
Thursday.
Then
I
saw
the
email
from
Eric.
B
That
said,
it
was
today
and
I
was
like
oh
yeah,
no
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
that
so
I'm
working
my
way
through
the
comments
that
I
mentioned
in
the
last
interim
from
the
various
reviewers,
any
feedback
on
the
resource
record
would
be
helpful
high
level,
whatever
that's
really
where
I
am
so
I'm
just
chipping
away
at
it.
C
D
C
D
C
D
That
message
she
doesn't
get
it
either:
okay,
yeah,
so
you
may.
B
B
Where
is
Jim
yeah
I'll
do
I'll.
Do
that
right
after
this
meeting,
so
I
can
I'll
contact
him
through
another
means
so
that
he
can
fix
that.
Otherwise,
though,
I
really
don't
have
much
to
add
today,
like
the
code
points,
I
thought
we
would
have
the
code
points
by
now,
but
then
the
website
went
poof,
oh
wait:
Jim
is
here
hello.
A
Maybe
that's
miteco
that
you
know
yeah
I
mean
they
have
a
an
AI
engine
that
said:
okay,
they're
talking
about
that
guy
they're,
just
flipping
it
up.
C
E
F
C
F
No
I've
got
nothing
to
add
about
that.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
mention,
though
I
think
it's
been
an
issue
for
Eric
on
this
call
is
I
think
we
still
need
to
get
something
done
at
ieb
level
to
sort
out
this
business
of
the
delegation
of
this
IPv6
prefix
now
notice
that
you've
done
something
about
asking
for
extra
expert
review
of
for
the
hsit
stuff,
which
is
part
of
this
thing,
but
I
think
we
still
have
those
bigger
problems.
F
How
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
issue,
because
it's
not
clear
to
me
what
the
rules
are
going
to
be
here,
because
I
think
Ayana
needs
some
more
guidance
on
how
this
can
actually
proceed
with
the
delegation,
but
I
think
that
you
see
a
consecutive
statement
from
and
imagine
the
IB
to
say
is
this
space
is
set
aside
for
such
and
such
a
purpose,
and
so
and
so
is
authorized
to
speak
for
the
IEP
and
how
this
space
gets
carved
up.
Please
talk
to
them.
F
D
F
Yeah,
so
there's
also
a
bit
of
a
disconnect
headache,
because
my
impression
is
Bob
thinks
because
of
that
FC
that
says
this
chunk
of
space
is
set
aside
from
drip.
He
thinks
it's
done
and
dusted.
There's
no
more
to
discuss
here.
It's
a
done
deal,
but
of
course
it's
not.
D
There
are
some
thing
to
be
done
on,
let's
say
the
business
relationship
side,
not
so
much
on
the
technique.
Oh
so
Jim
may
I
ask
you
to
send
to
the
list
three
lines
summarizing
this
and
I
will
reply
on
the
action
point.
So
everyone
is
aware
sure
we
try
to
keep
things
too
big
right
for
archiving
and
so
for
interesting
people.
F
Yeah
I
think
it
might
be
good
for
us
to
get
together
for
a
beer
in
San,
Francisco
or
a
cup
of
coffee
or
other
tasty
beverage
and
see
if
we
can
get
everybody
lined
up
in
this
whole
thing
and
be
good
as
Bob
said,
I,
don't
know
if
Bob's
planning
to
go
to
San
Francisco
or
not.
F
D
A
D
G
Yep,
no,
that's
fine!
It
was
important
that
we
touched
on
on
that
first,
so,
on
the
future
of
the
meeting
group
of
the
working
group
I
have
to
admit
that
that
I
share
everyone's
disappointment
that
we
have
not
had
more
participation
than
we
have
had.
It's
been
a
real
struggle.
You
know
with
just
our
our
ad,
our
chairs.
G
You
know
me
as
the
guy
who
who
promoted
this
in
the
first
place,
to
the
ITF,
Adam,
Bob,
Jim
and
and
that's
about
it.
You
know,
we've
had
occasional
participation
from
a
couple
of
others,
and
so
it's
you
know,
we've
really
struggled
to
get
critical
mass
flip
side.
G
What
we
have
done
thus
far
is
getting
attention
outside
the
iatf
ASTM
is
taking
this
quite
seriously
for
their
so-called
a2x,
which
is
aircraft
everything
Communications
and
the
FAA,
which
is
the
civil
aviation
Authority
here
in
the
U.S,
had
ignored
it
for
quite
some
time,
but
now
they
are
paying
attention.
G
The
most
recent
experiment,
slash
demonstration,
that
we
did
at
the
New
York
uas
site,
had
no
fewer
than
15
staff
from
the
FAA
who
attended
and
were
you
know,
asking
questions
and
and
observing
demonstrations
of
of
the
authentication
capability
that
we've
added.
That
is
absent
from
the
the
you
know,
the
Baseline
standards
that
they'd
adopted
from
ASTM.
So
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
struggle.
You
know.
On
the
one
hand,
we
just
don't
have
the
the
level
of
participation
that
we
need
for
this
to
be
a
really
viable
working
group.
G
But
on
the
other
hand,
the
few
of
us
who
have
you
know
produced
something:
that's
something
that
has
been
produced
is
is
getting
attention
outside
iatf
and,
and
it
was
our
intention
right
from
the
start-
that
there'd
be
kind
of
two
rounds
of
drip
that
the
first
round
would
just
be
to
make
uas
remote,
ID
information,
trustworthy
right
and
then
the
second
round
would
be
to
make
that
information
useful.
G
You
know
to
establish,
you
know,
command
and
control
links
and,
and
all
that
sort
of
other
stuff
and
so
Bob
has
been
pouring
forging
on
the
head
in.
In
writing.
His
you
know
independent
stream
drafts
of
all
these
various
applications
of
our
Baseline
protocols,
and
so
he
asked
me
yesterday
via
email
that
I
push
in
this
interim
that
you
know
he
would
like
to
see.
Some
of
those
drafts
adopted
come
come
117
by
the
working
group
and
obviously
to
adopt
them.
G
We'd
have
to
still
have
a
working
group
and
the
reason
that
he's
not
with
us
this
morning
is
you
know,
because
of
this
attention
that
we've
been
getting
outside
ITF
he's
been
pulled
into
something
at
Embry,
Riddle,
aeronautical
University,
which
has
invited
him
to
come
and
give
a
guest
lecture
on
all
this.
So
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
all
of
your
attention.
Slash
rant.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
thank
you,
stu
for
for
providing
this
this
context,
but
but
anyway,
I
think
that
we
would
have
more
I
would
say
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
all
all
of
this
once
we
have
always
said
the
the
remaining
two
documents
to
sent
to
to
to
to
Eric
for
Publications
I
have
seen
the
message,
for
example,
that
was
sent
by
Bob
for
requesting
for
the
adoptions,
to
be
frank
with
you,
I
didn't
discussed
it
with
with
Daniel,
but
personally
I
want
I
want
to
be
open
to
to
accept
any
new
documents
for,
for
the
working
group
till
we
have
I
would
say
final
versions
of
the
registration
and
authentication,
and
then
we
can
start
I
would
say
doing
yeah
the
this
exercise
for
us
to
reassess
the
engagement
of
every
I
know.
C
That's
it's!
It's
really
hard
for
this
small
group.
This
is
a
niche
and
I
understand
that
we
have
to
help
the
this
kind
of
Industries
to
join
to
the
ATF.
So
that's
why
we
I
think
that's.
We
have
to
understand
that
that,
but
we
need
also
to
to
see
how
we
can
engage
other
participants
from
the
ATF
so
that
this
is
not
just
the
work
of
Adam
and
two
but
the
work
of
the
ATF.
C
So
there
is
some
subsidization
to
be
done,
for
example,
if
you
can
consider,
for
example,
publishing
some
of
the
work
we
are
doing
in
the
internet
Journal,
so
that
people
can
see
this
work
to
attract
them.
Doing
some
of
the
socialization,
for
example,
that
in
other
venues,
I,
don't
know
which
one.
But
we
need
to
discuss
this
so
for
us
also
to
to
tell
people
yeah.
This
is
something
which
is
interesting
how
this
interact
with
interface,
with
the
other
work
in
3gbp
and
so
on.
So
that's
that's.
C
This
is
useful
and
this
is
not
just
publishing.
I
would
say
a
document
that
I
want
to
be
read
by
everyone.
So
this
is
an
exercise
for
all
of
us,
but,
as
I
said,
we
need
to
to
have
this
discussion
once
we
have
the
the
two
Romanian
document
on
a
good
track.
F
C
Of
course,
we
are
open
to
to
opinion
comments
and,
and
so
on.
D
And
just
to
add
to
you,
man,
I
mean
I,
fully
agree
with
what
Stu,
and
you
said
by
the
way
the
hope
of
drip
was
to
bring
other
new
people,
I
mean
already
to
the
space
industry
right
now,
I
understand,
based
on
the
interaction
with
ASTM
and
Akio
that
they
are
way
more
formal
than
the
eight
yet
they're
more
top
down
than
bottom
up
and
a
few
things
like
this,
you
may
want
to
make
clear
that
some
working
group
at
the
ietf
are
never
meeting
at
the
physical
meeting
only
doing
remote
like
this
one
interims
and
they
do
work
and
those
interims
are
free
right.
B
B
Capturing
all
the
words
back
and
forth:
yeah
I
I
agree
with
first
off
with
Stu's
comments,
obviously
with
the
the
interest
we're
seeing
outside
and
other
works
that
we're
doing
both
in
estm
with
the
aircraft
to
everything,
work
and
the
multiple
times
we've
seen
the
FAA.
B
They
have
shown
interest
with
every
demo
and
it's
grown
larger
and
larger,
with
each
successive
demo
that
we've
done
there
might
be
some
discussions
with
some
vendors
on
our
side,
we're
not
quite
sure
yet
and
I
agree
with
Med
that
we
should
reassess
before
adopting
more
documents.
B
B
The
only
document
that
I
would
push
against
that
on
is
the
DKI
document.
But
obviously
you
know
I
would
go
to
consensus
right
that
the
consensus
of
the
group
is
no
we're
not
going
to
adopt
it.
We
can
pull
it
back
into
the
registry
document
if
we
need
to
we'll
just
have
to
drag
Bob
along
I
think
and
finding
how
to
engage
so.
G
A
G
Know
what
you
were
just
saying
at
Bob's
request:
I
did
bring
to
you
all
just
now
that
he
is
requesting
consideration
of
adoption
of
various
of
his
drafts,
but
personally
I
agree
with
I
think
it
was
mad.
Who
said
it
may
have
been
Daniel
that
better
to
wait
until
we
get
the
Baseline.
If
you
will
fundamental
set
of
core
drip
drafts
through
the
RFC
status
before
we,
you
know,
add
on
a
bunch
of
new
work,
but
because
of
the
repeated
restructuring
of
how
Handler
Registries
one
of
Bob's
drafts
the
the
DKI.
G
That's
that
has
kind
of
become
a
core
document,
so
Adam
would
indeed
need
to
pull
some
of
the
stuff.
That's
in
the
DKI
draft
back
into
his
registry
draft,
or
we
would
need
to
adopt
the
DKI
draft
one
or
the
other
in
order
to
have
a
complete
usable
set
of
core
drift
documents
and
I
leave
it
to
wiser
heads
than
mine
to
decide
which
path
is
more
appropriate.
G
A
But
I
I
have
the
impression
that
I
mean
the
people
that
have
to
be
recruited
are
probably
outside
the
idea.
G
Okay,
that
I
may
be
able
to
do
right.
I
can
I,
can
I
can
twist
the
arms
of
some
of
these
people
in
Iko
and
ASTM,
and
maybe
rtca
and
maybe
IEEE
and
say
we
could
really
use
a
hand
over
here
in
in
ietf.
Thank
you.
D
C
B
C
G
See
you
in
a
bit
whomever
you
are,
we
would
be
very
happy
to
have
your
active
participation.
We
don't
have
all
the
answers
here
and
we
certainly
don't
have
all
the
bandwidth.