Internet Engineering Task Force Interim Meetings, 18 Dec 2019

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CBOR interim meeting, 2019-12-18

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I'm going to explain it in a couple of minutes when everybody has joined, show.

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Them my mailbox in about half an hour.

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Yeah awful hours too early for the interim, you need to check it one minute before it starts.

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This is IRA, I, didn't see your note and read it Carsten good.

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Yeah I thought this was a five-minute thing, but it really took me more than an hour to pull this off it's more complicated than one things.

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Okay, I guess we'll probably probably have as many people here is what we expect to have. So, let's go ahead and get started. Franceska is I mean pour.

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Our water, your.

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Quality because she's decided she should schedule for traveling in the middle of after having scheduled the meeting, which is not nice at 4:00, but that's okay. So basically what we've got is can.

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You go to your audio settings since, with the automatic change of the volume I.

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That doesn't quite work on your computer. It doesn't online.

B

It's in the morning, my voice hasn't woken up yet.

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It normally goes up about half an octave to three-quarters of an octave in the first hour and a half of the morning, which makes a huge difference when I try to talk you into one of these things. Yes,.

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It's fading. Did you set off that setting? Yes,.

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I switched off the setting. Okay.

B

So basically, we need to just go through the list of what's still open and who has open radiators.

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Yeah before we do that, let me quickly explain what I said in the message 15 minutes ago, so I submitted three new versions of the COS document.

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Ten is just the roll-up of the changes that were made based on the work. New blasts call comments, so this still needs to be checked for content, and then we have to move from RFC XML version two to RFC XML version three, and because that brings a lot of vomiting Changez I thought it would be good to have those vomiting changes isolated in a sequence of version updates.

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So 12 is the same thing as 10 I hope, just with v3 vomiting and because v3 makes a lot of small changes to the list.

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Symbols I put in another version in between 11, which just has those lists similar changes, or at least most of them, and so there are a number of versions to look at now, but 10 should be exactly identical to 12, with respect to content and Church will just be consistent with the new conventions and, of course, the nice thing about the new conventions is that we now have a nice HTML version to look at. If that is your thing,.

B

Okay, so whose reviews did you cover in ten I know, mine is in there? Are there any others.

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There were some typos and and stuff.

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Let me check you. The history.

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There were typos from Jeremy from somebody else.

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So I did some pretty quick I'd. If, if you look at the different that I referenced in the email message.

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Something is problem with the two: it's alright now.

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Okay, so maybe.

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It's not just me, huh it's not just too much well, maybe maybe you broke it, but.

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Think it's string between two servers and one of them is broken or something like that because it's sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't I.

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Can't pull this up right now, but it really should be gyms changes and a few typos.

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Okay, so what are the open issues that we still need to follow? Well,.

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The main issue is the map duplicate thing where, where I haven't managed to generate a text proposal, yet I think we were pretty clear in the meeting what we wanted to do, but this still has to be expressed in in text. So that will be the next thing to do and there is Francesca's review I think that should be edged. Oh I also started talking to implementers to review this version and I expect there that implementers will submit some some comments during the next few weeks.

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This is really hard to do based on our working group deadline. So I would expect some random observations from implementers to come in in the next couple of weeks.

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There are two open issues from Lawrence in the database.

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You might be here to explain those.

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I have no idea what there's some kind thing is I.

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Would agree with you I have no idea what that is. I can see putting a hyphen in there, but not space.

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And then there is a request to to sweep for remaining terminology variation in and enclosed value of a central stated data item versus tag content so that that's actually still a to do.

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Right now, if I understand you, you've got three to do Sonia. Do you think you believe you have three to do this on your list? Duplicate, keys, Francesca's review and if you won 138, yes,.

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And there's also to do to actually get implemented to submit comments. The ones I've got pretty positive. I asked one guy to actually send them to the mailing list. You may have seen them so I think it's good to get other implementers to look at this end and see what they like, what they don't like.

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So if you were able to know some implementers, please watch them as well.

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The implementer I use has already been very vocal, but Peters been very forthcoming out things.

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So Lawrence is joining.

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Hello, sorry sorry I was late. My my Fido meeting ran over coffee.

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We were just wondering about issue 139.

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Just give me a second here: some.

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Kind was this sub kind.

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Okay I mean when I looked up in the dictionary. Some kind isn't the word.

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Even put a reference to it or dictionary in the issue: okay,.

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It's not merriam-webster.

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Yeah I think there's even a Wikipedia page on subjects up kind.

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Don't think it's unclear I just think it's not a lot. It wasn't in the dictionaries that I looked.

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Just not German, you can't just make up words by stringing, some other ones together to steal the word from another language.

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Just do it in Germans TN and then translate well.

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Those right, okay, the.

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Problem is that there are Germans who shaping the English language as well, and they tend to introduce all kinds of things, so yeah I'm, finding some kind everywhere. So I'm not sure the fact that merriam-webster has picked it up yet is very I.

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Also found it in multiple places: yeah.

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I've seen it more.

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Seven, six or seven definitions in Google to dictionary.

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Dictionary.Com I am.

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However, disappointed to learn that the German for sub kind is sub kind.

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I'm not sure that's true.

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It's such an obvious concept.

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Think we can be just punt that one to the RSC editor and let them decide whether it's a word. Yes,.

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Okay, so Lord's gonna close this funny.

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You can thank you.

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Franceska, you said that you thought that you every had a review. I cannot find it.

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There is one from November 24th, mister.

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The only things that I have from him, our handling duplicate key maps, maybe didn't get into my world.

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He sent something to the list on November 24th.

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Sending the UI to the shed so.

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That makes another to-do item for me.

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When do you think you're gonna have text for keymaps Oh anyone's gonna do anything in the next few weeks? Well,.

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I hope before these two, the next two weeks, I hope tomorrow, okay.

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Because right now, that's the only big item I'm seeing this on the list. Yes,.

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You can get that out and have people reveal it I.

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Have a meeting scheduled for the.

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15Th January: do you want a second working group last call after that, or you just want to call for be able to review that specific? Is it taxed.

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That's a good question, so I don't think we have made any substantive change, except for the MEF's thing, which may be considered a substantive change.

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So, depending on how we handle the maps info and and how good the the agreement is on that I think we might actually need a second version of La Scala.

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Okay, so why don't we go ahead and you get out a version, at least with the new, the new maps? Stuff? If you don't get the other things, that's not gonna worry me as much putting the new map, stuff and I think is going to be important to implementers. Yes, and then we can try to get comments before the 15th and on the 15th. We can decide whether we're ready to send it up to the IDS G.

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So anybody have any objections to that for plan.

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Lost my I lost the etherpad.

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Okay, does anybody have any other issues they want to raise at this time.

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Well, they're just one and that I haven't done my father II read yet so we might get some later. A new block or comments for me.

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C

Carsten I have a question: is this the last intended activity of seaboard working group or will there be recharter or is there more coming? We.

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Have already had a recharger I.

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You're right sorry, Caroline you're right we did nevermind so.

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There are a couple things on the list: okay, the one piece of good news, I saw I- think it was yesterday is we should see in off 48 for receive our sequences start in the next week or so, since it is now actually the final final editors in the RFC editor queue yeah.

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They are still waiting for alexei to take off a couple of comments that came in late, so I'm not sure how how quickly alexei will respond and that will control how quickly they RFC editor can go ahead.

B

Okay, that make sense so.

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If anybody happens to talk to Alex say you might want to remind him.

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And when syllabus is done, we definitely should focus on city idea. Again there are still lots of interesting texts coming in. So today are you going to like review request for somebody who wants to refine tags for freak versions of utf-8 like season 8 and WTF 8, and what else is out there very.

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Okay, so since we I don't think we have any other business, why don't we go ahead and close up for the day and we'll talk to you on the 15th? Thank you for coming. Thank you.

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