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RATS Architecture Design Team, 2022-02-08
A
I'm
not
sure
if
you
saw
a
message
from
thomas
who
said
that
he
was
wanted.
He
was
willing
to
abandon
the.
A
Willing
to
abandon
this
issue-
and
I
just
said
well,
you
know
what
maybe
I
can
make
a
suggestion
to
him
and
that's
what
you
reviewed.
I
think,
and
you
didn't
weren't
sure
we
put
it
in
the
right
place
either
and
hank
or
someone
else
said
that
we
wasn't
sure
participants.
So
we
have
only
four
okay,
but
I
thought
we
had
five
a
moment
ago.
A
Hoping
we'll
have
thomas
essentially,
as
far
as
I
know,
this
is
really
the
only
thing,
the
only
issue
that
we
have
to
close
and
potentially
also
this
one.
Thank
you
back
workload.
B
I
think
it's
just
he
has
to
be
it's
late,
so
maybe
it's
just.
A
A
E
A
A
F
Back
I'm
back
from
the
dead
okay,
you
know
so
so
the
moral
is
do
not
get
a
booster
immediately
after
you
get
a
shingles
shot,
yeah
sure.
A
This
is
when,
when
I
was
not
being
wise-
okay,
it's
funny
thomas,
because
I
know
there's
a
fellow
in
ottawa,
a
camera's
first
name,
but
has
the
same
last
name
as
you,
but
he's
been
for
20
years
has
been
the
maintainer
of
like
the
the
sane
scuzzy
adapters
for
scanners,
and
I
I
so
I
always
whenever
I
see
your
name,
I
keep
thinking
about
that
and
I'm
like
no,
it's
the
different
guy,
it's
a
different,
different,
harjano
or
jono,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
pronounce
it,
but
anyway,
okay!
A
So
let's
get
this
show
on
the
road
here
we
don't
have
thomas
fossati
and
I
wish
we
did.
I
hope
he
might
join
us.
Does
anyone
have
a
chat
with
him.
B
He
has
a
school
run,
he
will
join
in
20
minutes.
He
says
approximately.
A
A
Okay,
okay,
so
all
right!
So
let's
just
start
with
this.
I
opened
this
ticket
here
about
the
we
had
a
conversation
at
the
very
end
of
last
week
about
whether
or
not
there
was
anything
important
that
the
architecture
needed
to
say
about.
A
D
Maybe
we
even
put
that
in
there
I
just
don't
know,
let's
see
who
originally
brought
this
up.
I
know
you
filed
the
issue
if
it
was
thomas
or
whatever.
I
just
don't
know.
If
what
gary
put
in
over
there
actually
addresses
whoever
brought
this
one
up
at
this
point.
A
I
actually
didn't
get
a
chance
to
read
finish
reading
thomas's
comments.
I
guess
the
real
question
is:
is
there
a
consensus
among
this
group
that,
in
fact,
this
text
is
good
enough
and
that
it
needs
to
be
in
a
in
in
a
solution,
specific
area,
a
document
not
in
the
architecture.
B
A
D
And
I
think
separately,
ned
or
somebody
was
saying
it
should
go
in
the
daa
document
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
that's
solution,
specific
or
not,
but
I'm
saying
between
each
and
ea.
D
I
mean
it's
already
in
there.
I
mean
it's
already
in
the
in
the
notes
that
I
just
don't
know
what
the
issue
number
is.
D
D
A
Okay,
all
right
so
he's
already
said
that
okay,
so
it
feels
like
this
could
be
closed.
A
I
mean,
I
think
this
is
the
only
this
is
the
the
the
argument
from
thomas
is
that
that
it
sounds
like
he's
asking
us
to
put
a
some
kind
of
requirement
saying
you
know
there
is
an
issue
of
freshness
in
the
nonce
there's
a
pii
issue
with
the
nonce
that
needs
to
be
resolved
in
some
way
by
solutions
and
that's
something
like
a
single
sentence
that
would
go
into
the
nonce
claim
appendix
nonstem,
freshness,
pendant.
B
So
yeah,
I
think
we
say
that
claims
in
evidence
may
be
I
sensitive
as
nonsensic
claim
I.
My
argument
always
may
actually
be
discovered,
but
maybe
you
should
make
special
care
of
this
because
it
could
be
a
protocol
part
two,
not
necessarily
a
claim
thing,
but
I
don't
know
so
claim-wise.
I
think
we
are
fine,
maybe
not
non-spies.
When
you
look
at
the
general
meaning
of
month.
B
Yeah
but
thomas
really
really
was
persistent
there,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
the
devil's
advocate
here
and
I
was
like
this
was
not
enough
for
thomas.
A
Well,
I
mean
I
can
see
putting
some
kind
of
a
thing
in
in
here
about
just
mentioning
that
that
that
there
is
a
concern
about
leaking
pii
via
nonces,
that
they
shouldn't
be.
B
I
think
exactly
so
not
the
involved
parties.
I
think
one
example
about
like
if
the
verifier
is
talking
to
the
attester
and
doing
chatter's
response
for
the
nons
for
for
the
attack
recent
presidential
combination,
then
you
could,
as
you
know,
the
attester
could
put
its,
for
example,
ip
address
or
associated
address
into
the
nons
yes
and
encrypted,
and
yes
and
yeah
yeah,
but
it's
so
fine,
but
now
the
tester
thinks
it's
anonymous
and
cannot
be
found
out,
but
down
the
chain.
B
Now
this
come
out
ends
up
in
audit
trail
and
other
unmessed
conceptual
messages.
Someone
of
the
attacker
knows
the
symmetric
key.
Everybody
thinks
this
is
golden
just
random
stuff,
but
in
reality,
what
you
do
is
you
expose
the
typically
anonymous
identity
of
or
a
part
of
relative
fires
of
the
tester
by
unfittingly,
so
because
you
attack
via
the
nons,
the
anonymity.
B
I
think
that
was
the
problem
that
thomas
wanted
to
highlight
that
you
can
misuse
if
you
control
the
request.
The
audit
tray
provided
by
evidence
later
on
to
re-identify
the
the
otherwise
assumed
anonymous
adjuster
in
daa,
and
that
would
be
bad.
A
I
I
I
I'm
going
to
say
it
again
and
and
and
we
could
copy
it
into
the
the
issue
here
so
if
and
if
a
verifier
includes
the
ip
address
of
the
a
tester
in
the
nonce
used
for
freshness
even
if
encrypted,
then
it
will
appear
sorry
it
I
want
to
say
encrypted
just
it's
encrypted,
then
it
will
appear
to
the
tester
and
possibly
some
audit
process
that
no
pii
was
leaked.
A
However,
if
the
symmetric
key
used
for
generating
this
nonce
is
later
made
available
to
some,
I
don't
know
uber
observer
that
they
could
then
pull
the
out
of
the
pii.
Specifically
the
ip
address
out
of
the
audit
trail.
Does
that
capture
what
I
think
you
just
said:
hank
yeah,
that
would
be
a
specialization.
B
G
D
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
claims
right
because
you're
talking
about
gangsters
with
a
challenge-
okay,
which
is
not
about
the
claim
right,
so
you
could
do
oh.
This
would
be
true
if
you
put
anything
in
the
challenge:
okay
and
then
log
it
on
the
attester
or
whatever,
and
then
that
log
became
available
and
you
never
put
into
any
claim
whatsoever.
All
that
sentence
would
be
true.
A
I
agree
it's
nothing
to
do
with
the
claim
in
many
ways
it
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
claim
includes
a
freshness
nonce,
which
has
you
know,
stuff
buried
in
it
right.
I
think
peter.
G
E
G
B
D
And
I
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
correct
to
say
that
the
verifier
is
the
adversary.
I
mean
you're,
trying
to
submit
enough
information
to
get
the
verifier
to
do
what
you
want
the
verifier
to
do,
which
is
to
give
you
an
attestation
report
right.
So
you
got
to
reveal
whatever
the
policy
says
and
if
the
policy
says
you
have
to
reveal
things
because
it's
not
using
daa,
you
have
to
you,
know,
reveal
your
identity,
so
it
can
check
you
against
an
access
list
or
something
like
that.
Then
you
have
to
do
that.
D
It's
not
the
adversary.
It's
a
service
that
you're
trying
to
subscribe
to.
In
that
sense,
if
the
verifier
itself
doesn't
attest
to
you,
you
might
consider
an
adversary.
If
it's,
if
you
don't
consider
it
trusted,
then
sure,
of
course,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
adversary
is
the
right
word
for
a
service
you're
actually
trying
to
use
so.
E
A
Don't
use
them
yeah.
I
agree
with
you
ned,
but.
D
About
privacy
from
the
verifier,
then
you
use
something
like
daa,
which
we
already
referenced
in
that
text.
If
you
trust
the
verify.
D
D
D
When
you
get
a
second,
when
you're
done
editing
this
michael,
if
you
can
go
back
to
the
privacy
section
of
the
document,
but
don't
finish
what
you're
doing.
B
Specific
it
could
be
in
the
and
I've
been
talking.
That's
why
I
know
the
use
case.
I've
been
talking
with
so
much
about
this,
and
it
could
also
go
into
the
reference
interaction
model.
B
I
don't
want
to
read,
I
could,
but
I
want.
I
want
to
see
the
aar
reference
to
action
model
there
if
nobody
is
objecting.
Of
course
I
want.
I
would
like
thank
you.
A
A
I
think
that's
great,
will
you
will
you
send
that
full
request.
B
And
also
it's
an
id,
so
it
is
an
informative
reference.
Well.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
talk
about
this
two
types,
then,
okay,
is
that
the
only
issue?
That's
that's,
not
the
right
repo.
A
A
Is
there
something?
Well,
I
hope
you've
read
it,
but
we
could
have.
You
can
read
it
again
here
where
it
hangs.
B
The
summary
is
at
the
bottom
of
course,
what's
liked
here
is
my
statement.
Yeah
yeah,
we
could
you
say
it's
a
synonym
for
system
components,
24.
B
I
decided
to
get
a
time
that
I
had
no
time
it
was
on
workshops
and
planners
and
weird
things
so
yeah.
So
this
is
I
actually,
I
eased
the
text
into
this,
and
I
did
this
very
early
in
the
architecture
overview.
So
it's
line
380
something's
very
early
on
and
I
added
very
simple
statements.
Simple
language
rules
assigned
to
entities
entities
are
often
system
components
such
as
devices,
and
then
I
spelled
it
out
literally.
This
is
like
the
meat
statement,
the
core
of
it.
B
A
New
line
for
you,
yeah
there's
another
new
sentence,
I
think
yeah.
I
just
makes
it
easier
for
us
to
see
the
diff
here
right.
D
D
That
yeah
previously
it
was
a
singular
subject
that
that
creates
applies
to
and
now
that
it's
a
plural
one,
you
gotta
change
the
form
of
the
verb
and
the
same
thing
in
393.
is
grammar.
Yeah.
B
So
so
this
is
actually
not
mandatory
additions,
but
it
is
easier
now
now
that
we
have
paid
attention
to
these
three
terms,
entity
system
component
device.
I
I
really
wanted
to
ease
the
reader
into
okay.
This
is
using
entities
still
and
now.
Oh
there
are
more
and
then
I'm
telling
about
talk
about
roles
and
on
all
the
roles.
So
I
added
a
statement
of
there
will
be
a
more
formal
definition
of
the
words
later
so.
D
D
A
A
D
B
Yeah
I
mixed
that
up,
so
so
yeah,
it
reads
harder.
I
agree,
and
it's
not
a
must
to
have
these
changes.
It
just
helps
later
on.
E
B
E
B
Yeah
exactly
I
just
made
this
clear
in
the
because
we
have
not
established
roles
yet
exactly
in
the
architectural
overview,
and
that
is
why
I
added
that
actual
formal
definition
of
this
is
found.
More
formal
is
found
in
bla
in
line
413.
I
added
it.
There.
B
So
now
you
are
already
know
that
there
are
some
roles,
but
this
is
by
the
way,
not
the
complete
list,
nor
the
actually
real
definition.
It's
just
the
overview
and
to
reinforce
that.
I
added
that
at
the
end
and
said
to
really
want
to
have
a
complete
overview
and
really
want
with
the
definitions,
go
go
to
terminology.
B
D
Depends
on
whether
you
think
that
the
terminology
is
actually
formal.
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
was
writing
formal
definition
like
this
is
not
a
formal
definition,
and
that
was
like
adding
a
more.
A
D
A
Okay,
so
one
possibility
is
that
I
commit
these.
A
Grammar
changes
and
then
we
could.
A
D
In
context,
given
that
this
whole
thing
is
about,
you
know,
device
versus
system
component
and
so
on
and
there's
a
thread
that
I
admit
I
have
not
read
all
of,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
other
people
were
saying
necessarily
so
feel
free
to
educate
me.
But
in
the
ticket
you
mean
the
threat.
D
The
very
last
line
of
this
change
is
one
that
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
comfortable
with,
but
I'm
wondering
what
other
people
think
this
slide
here.
No,
the
last
line
of
the
whole
thing.
D
A
D
A
B
Please
and
then
the
way
that
that
so
it's
already
there,
and
so
it's
okay,
I
just
want
to
because.
D
G
A
You
like
me
to
commit
this
issue
this
poll
request
now,
or
does
anyone
want
more
time
to
review
it.
A
Okay,
all
right,
let's
commit
it.
I
I
agree
with
you
that
it
feels
a
little
bit
makes
a
little
bit
awkward,
but
sometimes
that's
what
happens
when
you
have
to
be
more
precise.
A
Did
that
close?
This
issue
seems
to
be
closed.
Okay,
all
right,
thomas.
So
I
tried
to
find
a
place
to
put
your
diagram
in,
and
I
thank
you
very
much
for
the
effort.
Okay,
my
first
attempt
was
at
the
end
of
section.
Let
me
pull
this
up
here
was
at
my
first
attempt:
let's
go
here,
there's
the
original
diagram
3.1.
A
My
first
attempt
was
to
put
it
down
here
under
implementation
considerations
and
to
put
it
at
the
bottom,
because
I
thought
this
is
where
this
is
the
evidence
of
other
attesters,
and
so
I
tried
to
put
the
diagram
down
here.
There
were
some
objections,
and
so
now
it
goes
between
3.1
and
3.2.
D
D
A
D
B
D
D
A
D
D
So
my
question
is:
is
the:
if
is
the
horizontal
evidence
line?
The
vertical
evidence
line
is
that
one
to
one
that
a
testing
environment
on
the
left
is
supposed
to
just
be
a
pass-through
or
there's
two
different
things,
because
the
labels
are
identical,
and
so
is
that
supposed
to
be
an
evidence,
prime
or
what
that's?
What
I
just
couldn't
tell
which
which
variation
was
meant
to
this
diagram?
So.
H
D
D
H
Which
is
an
instantiation
of
the
thing
right
so,
whereas
this
one
was
a
model,
and
that
was
the
the
thing
that
I
I
struggled
a
bit
with,
but
as
I
said,
it's
not
thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
time
you've
been
putting
it,
but
I
I
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
worth
you
know
spending
more
time
on
this
and
if
you
want
to
close
it
as
in
without
without
action,
I'm
perfectly
fine.
D
It
looks
if
I
understand
the
intent:
it
is
a
subset
of
figure.
Four
right,
a
test
should
be
a
testing
environment
and
verifier
is
what's
in
that
diagram,
so
it's
like.
If
that's
the
intent,
I
think
figure
four
does
capture
it,
but
okay,
the.
H
Problem
I
had
originally
was
that
you
know
an
abstract
model
in
figure
I
think
two
or
whatever
it
is,
and
then
the
which
is
the
original
picture
and
then,
when
we
instantiate
in
figure
four
there's
a
suddenly
there's
an
arrow
that
comes
through
and
you
you
don't
understand.
Where
is
you
know?
Why
is
it
coming
from
and
why
is
it
allowed
to
go
into
the
other
tester?
H
A
My
complaint
was
that
I
wanted
the
user
the
reader
to
get
the
original
model
without
without
any
optional
blah
blah
blah
thing,
and
so
they
would
get
it
and
then
they
would
look
through
three
and
go
oh
and
then
there's
this
change
and
four
and
says:
oh
and
then
there's
this
variation
and
they
would
see
the
you
know
in
each
thing.
You
can
see
that
the
original
figure,
two
as
a
you
know,
is
already
there
is-
is
yeah,
except
as.
A
H
E
D
D
A
A
The
few
okay,
so
we're
going
to
close
this
one,
there's
that
button.
B
A
D
All
right
per
request:
are
you
gonna.
H
B
A
Yeah,
it's
very
beautiful
if
you
want
to
experiment
with
making
our
diagrams
compliant,
we
I'm
very
happy.
I
just.
B
You
know
that
is
just
fancy
editorial,
so
we
have
a
submit
a
new
version
based
on
our
thing
here
and
then
we
can
have
all
the
time
to
do
svg
any.
H
Objections
to
this
absolutely
absolutely
no.
I
just
wanted
to
say
whether
you're
interested
so
I've
done
some
of
this
and
I've
posted
it
on
the
chat.
It's
cool.
A
D
It's
going
to
happen,
you
need
to
refresh
just
because
the
edits
that
you
did
on
the
previous
one
that
we
just
merged
had
a
trailing
white
space
which
makes
it
feel
the
build.
And
so
I
had
to
delete
it
and.
A
E
D
All
right,
I
guess,
leaves
a
blank
line
in
there.
You
need
to
resolve
that
by
deleting
the
other
parts.
A
Okay,
all
right!
So,
let's
end
this
meeting
hank,
please
you're,
going
to
whatever
it
is
you're
going
to
do
you're
going
to
fix
something
in
the
make
file
and
post
no.
A
All
right,
so
I
will
post
the
new
version.
You
can
also
do
that.
Then
I
don't
have
to
do
it
all
right.
I
will
do
that
in
a
few
minutes
and
we
will
announce
the
fact
that
we
are
done
and
that
everyone
can
go
home
and
no
meeting
next
week.