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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 149
Observer Sessions
13-14 March 2020
Videoconference

A

Okay, we're recording now, okay.

B

Okay, thank you, Kevin, okay, so welcome everyone to the one hundred and forty ninth meeting of the Internet Society Board of Trustees. As you know, we were supposed to meet in Cancun Mexico, but with the whole situation related to the corona virus, we finally decided to have a virtual meeting. So in that sense you know it's also good that we'll get some experience with virtual meetings. We we did that already two or three years ago, and and it went quite okay, so let's see how how everything works this time.

B

The downside of course, is like we. We were not able to go there and we were looking forward to to meeting with some local people, especially or in particular they the local chapter there we will have them present something so next time we will be able to to do that. We hope so Luis again, I'm, sorry for not being there. Having said that, let's start with the agenda with point number one: we have all trustees here, except for Mika. She sent her apologies, so any declaration of conflict of interest giving the current agenda from anyone.

B

Okay, so I I don't see any so, let's move on so number two, not a point number two on the agenda is basically to document the resolutions we have approved by a boat yeah thanks for showing the agenda caving, it's to basically document their resolutions. We have passed since last time and, as you know, nowadays we are making a lot of decisions between in between meetings, since we change the rules for approving resolutions some time ago. So here just I always make this clarification, but anyway, so that we are all in the same place.

B

This is just to document the resolutions. Never solutions have been officially passed already so John. Do you want to add something or oh.

C

Wait: everybody's already voted for all of these, so you're seeing them again: okay,.

B

Good, thank you so, for the record, these are different solutions. We pass things last time, I.

B

Give you a couple of minutes to read everything yeah there as well, so we have dated a couple of things. Maybe it's worth mentioning the update to the conflict of interest policy. This was kind of you know something that we were planning to do for for the last three years at least, and finally, we got around to to agreeing on on how to do that. So we finally approve those changes which I think is is really good.

B

Okay, good. So moving to the two point, number three on the agenda, which is to get a report from Eduardo on the chapter, Advisory Council steering group so Kevin. If you could promote Eduardo.

B

So Glenn hasn't done yet a noncom report that will become later, yes, Glenn, please all.

D

Right just testing my Ottawa Thanks hi, everybody so I- take it. I have to leave then as well.

B

Okay, let me shake because yeah we have an executive right, a close part of that. Just give me one. Second,.

B

No, the presentation, Olga's presentation is in the open. Actually, yes yeah, you know you don't have to leave because basically I mean she's gonna be presenting the demographics who applied how many candidates all that the geographical distribution, gender balance, all that, so you don't have to leave them thanks, but thanks for checking planes, okay, good Eduardo, can you hear us I can hear you I'm, not sure. If you can hear me, we can't hear you. We cannot see you, but we can I.

E

Got my video on, but this is not working. This is not working. Okay,.

B

E

Let me see if I can get this other camera if.

B

You can fix it real, quick, otherwise we can go. I know know.

E

What some reason it's not working I know.

B

E

Working because it's I got it off. Oh now,.

B

We say you read well, okay, so just to clarify Luis was asking exactly the same question as Glenn. No, you don't have to leave the presentation because Olga's presentation is gonna be in the open and we will just be giving public information on the NomCom process, so nothing confidential. So nobody has to leave, and this is gonna, be an open presentation recorded and distributed as any other. So so yes, okay, Eduardo, but anyway, without further ado. Thanks for joining and you and the floor is yours. You know looking forward to your report.

B

Okay, can I, have the slide presentation, yeah kidding, we'll put them up in a second yeah there we go so.

E

Basically, this is an update from the from last time, so we get to it second slide. Please thank you. Okay, so I'm just going to give you a small straw, duction of the team. Just so you know who who we are and then we're going to jump into the advice, work.

E

We we'll go through the previous one which what one baby things and the one that we send in 2019 and then we will get into the second set that we send this year and and the NIU just wanted to give you a heads up of you know things that we're looking at head.

E

You know that we are going to start discussing going forward in committee, so this is the people in we are nine or off of us. The officers proud that I am the chair and the secretary is a teach Babu and Oliver is in vice chair I, don't know if they're in here, but I want to work with them. I send them the link and invited all the by three.

E

This thing committee to participate today just in case that they want to add, if I'm it's something so can we have the next so last year we send three advices that had to do one with the events you know and having nice or gather into in the vents, which is having I mean I, have seen that happening in especially in the icon, means with an information about the fellowship program on the edge cap and the advice in relation to the non-common, the procedure that was being used there, which you know we put out a procedure and a hot procedure, and probably this year, will make it final.

E

You know just to have it there and so we're planning to come back and ask you formally around April timeframe, maybe later finn's. You know to give us an status on this and, and the main reason is so you know we can start closing this advice in terms that you know it's, they have been finalized one way or another. You know somehow so I, you know, I, don't think we should keep this open here and pending on all things. We want to move forward with you know.

E

Whatever is going to happen to this advice, so we can close them or you know, keep circling back from time to time. So that's about the 2019 advice on the next one.

E

So this year we sent and a bias on the to the board on the 23 of February and those are the three advices in there. One has to do with the PIR Ito's sales of the PIR sales. The second one has to do with. As a correlation. You know it came out out of that discussion within the steering committee and the chapter advisory council, two more. That has to do that. You know you know I thought you can consult the chapter community and going forward.

E

You know we might look into what kind of governance which you look at the governance of Isaac's was going forward. None of this stuff has to happen and and and then you should fall of X, Y and C.

E

You know water is in the bylaws to do this so doesn't happen in the Union and at least the world consult the community as different communities on things like similar to the PIR sale, so in Ferrari 27, which will receive a a response from the board and it's filling the holes in context on the first one. The way we read it is for the response. You know that you measure all the conditions in this list that we said we want every of those conditions for answered so to all effects.

E

You know those condition be met and I will go further on that family in the next bullet and the other two. Basically, what you have said is: let's put it on hold. Let's finish this: let's work on this foundation and then we can go and work on. You know these two items going forward, so you also start painting to be implementing in the future or close over harlequin. Whatever is going to happen to those two.

E

So, on the advice we in relation to the PIR a sale, the what we're doing now, we we're reactivating the the chapter advisory council drafting group to revise the advice based on the information that happened after February 10, because the advisor with an infrared 23rd was up to the information that we receive. If we had a trend, you know up to February 10 and then new things happen during the following days and weeks, and so with advice and advice.

E

Based on that information and also to clarify you know the process that we followed and the language that we used and I wrote a message to the chapter list explaining those two step-by-step. What the process there was that we follow and we basically follow the process that is in our Charter, which means we thin out a consensus call, and we ask for objections.

E

We did this during the for a week period and there were no objections received during that week. We got some call people I wanted to change the consensus to a vote. Those are not updates. Those were not objections and we did receive an objection, but a few hours after the period was ended. So in any case, when I transmitted this to the board, we transmitted it. We use the war on animals which caused a lot of discussion in the list, and even it was part of the response.

E

I came back mentioned this and I just tried to clarify that we use in the universe the unanimous word with respect in the context that we did not receive any objections within that context, but you know unanimous cannot be used for certainty of you know the everybody was in accord with what was there and so nothing in the we don't want to use our war going forward, because now it's not people have it use it in different contexts, different different places and people who have different as yes well about what it is.

E

So we need quite quite right. You know we don't have to make put noise and something like this. So in any case, we want to circle back with this addendum. We will go through the same process again and you know it would be way. Would be so? That's that's what what we have with the 2020 advice. I, don't know if anybody has a question yeah.

B

I said what I think thanks a lot, because I think tracking, you know the advice and what you guys are waiting for. Regarding you know, responses from us or or actions. I. Think that's great. So, thanks for for tracking these things and and yeah I mean, regarding the you know, level of consensus, or whatever I mean. As you know, this is something we've been working with the last.

B

At least you know three chairs of the of the chapter, Advisory, Committee and I think that the best way is what we you and I have talked just be very explicit on on. You know what is the level of support of a proposal and I? You know this is nothing strange. This is, for example, when in the IDF, when they have a draft, you know a document that they want to publish. This is one of the questions that they make.

B

Sure of the group needs to answer is like what is the level of support, so in that sense, I, don't think anyone is claiming. Oh, you know this consensus or there's no consensus, because we have rules for that.

B

It's just to be very explicit, saying: look, you know this was a particularly I, don't know interesting discussion and we had 1,000 people involved, or this is something particularly non-controversial and- and this is they I don't know you know they disguise, you know, is the result of discussions among three people, things like that they helped, because in that sense you know originally, when we set up the acceptor Advisory Council. The idea is that you guys help us prioritize things.

B

So if you sent us three advice- and you tell us, look this solid consensus between one of them, because you know basically every chapter is behind and then there's another advice. Where maybe you know it's more, you know something maybe less mainstream or whatever. Then we will prioritize.

B

So in that sense, that's why we insist all the time and we've been doing that for years, that you know just just to know. You know what is the level of of support for any advice or recommendation and, as I said elsewhere, I mean this is not specific to this advice. This is just a generic comment, so in that sense you know I think we are on the same page, so I I, don't think we need to discuss any any longer. Okay,.

E

Well, I do have a question girl. Yes,.

B

E

Do you get a sense of participation like you said you know, of support or not support on this based on the discussion in the list? So yes,.

B

I mean on any discussion you have, for example, when we have in the IETF working group. You know some some drops they are discussed by. You know you can sit in there on the email by let's take tens of people. Others is more like one guy is supporting the draft, and you know nobody else complains so just that bit of information. You know that would be useful, so I'm not asking you to go one by one asking people or anything like that. It's just like you know from your point of view.

B

You usually say you know the level of discussion or how many people have been involved. Things like that. So this is basically what what we are looking for. You well.

E

I, don't know how you know, you know you look at at the meetings that we have regularly the you know. Sometimes we have our hard time getting your quorum I'm talking about the fool Chapare Advisory Council. So if you look at from that perspective, you know they. We don't there's no much participation there, but in any case you know to have to give certainty to this. We have to go to a vote, but that's not what the apathy our Charter says.

E

You know you're supposed to do a consensus first and then you do a poet or something.

B

Yeah but I'm not asking you to change anything I'm, just asking you to inform us when you done that. So in that sense, if you have a meeting and you have difficulties reaching quorum, I mean it's further you'd say hey, you know we didn't have enough people or whatever. So it's just like what I want to have is an open communication, so you know so because otherwise I can't explain you what happens.

B

I get an advice from you or whatever, and then I myself have to go to the list check what happened check the discussions- and this is a waste of time for for me for you and for everyone that we have to have a call, maybe to understand the context. So if we get that context, upfront and I mean and to be clear, this is nothing like has to be seen in a negative way. As I said, the IDF does this all the time that would be useful.

B

Basically so so this is not a request to change anything. It's just to. Basically, you know provide us with that information. Usually yeah.

E

Well, you know it's it. This is like what we would we'll see how these code, because we go fight quorum, I mean if the if there was a bias, if they will have columns in our meetings that we were discussing, advice and the advice. Is there nobody you're, just oh wait, that's it I mean that's the only thing that we can say there, so there was so much form which form on this. So that would.

B

Be enough, you know, I mean we had a meeting where it was quorum and nobody objected to something well, good.

E

It's online I mean yeah.

B

E

You feel better, so there is no doubt that the the chapter advisory council, you know reach consensus on x and y, but you.

B

Remember the a.

E

Quorum, the quorum, you know in the movie in the meetings.

B

It's only 19 but I think I mean other I think we are talking past each other and I'm, not judging whether or not you are reaching consensus.

B

I'm saying that within reaching consensus, there's very different cases right, so a case could be that everyone explicitly talks in favor about something, because you know this is so important for every chapter that would be fir, I mean it would be fir that the the board actually trace that with more priority than something that maybe someone proposed and nobody objective both of them have consensus according to your rules and nobody's saying that they don't what we are saying is like within something that has consensus.

B

It would be useful actually to understand the level of support, if that makes it well.

E

So what does that tells you, if there's a level support.

B

It tells us how to prioritize the advice exactly so. As I said, if I get something that you say, look every single chapter in the world is screaming for this and you sent us this advice. I'm gonna, just you know, fast-tracking prioritize it and like we did last time as you notice, we got back to you in in only a few days. If you send me something saying well, you know this is important for some people, not so much for others. Maybe you know we can treat it as business as usual and I'm happy.

B

You know, handle that as a normal priority. So it's all about prioritization, okay,.

E

Well, that's a different different direction. That I got because advice to me is advice and, and you you, the board prioritizes the way you want I, just with or through a process with, I just make sure that what we send you it's something that was reached on consensus, one to ten one hundred. Now you prioritize it the way you wanted to prioritize I, understand in the advice and making sure we run our process correctly. So while you get it's, not something that I made up or I do.

B

That you know that's clear and.

E

D

E

D

Eduardo I as I as I, understand, consol and, as you know, I intervened a few times on that discussion as well and I had misunderstandings, also with regard to how things were presented so I appreciate that sometimes we're talking past each other, but but my my read of this is not that Gonzalo or that any people. Anyone on the board is asking for you to change your procedures. So that's not what's happening and I and I think everyone agrees that you followed your procedures and no one's asking for an additional procedure.

D

So what I think I read this all and he can correct me if I'm wrong, honest? Is that there's nothing about the procedural requirements that prevents you from adding more contextual information so that if we know you know I think you could always you could do the report and say this was the formal outcome of of our of our consideration of the question, and this is the formal outcome of our advice process. But then you could also add things like we only heard from three chapters or we heard from every chapter or they did.

D

You know the discussion. You know anything.

F

You wanted to add.

D

Honestly, I, don't think it's for theirs. I, don't think! That's all, and it wants to understand more of the context of how the discussion went, because a low-volume discussion that leads to consensus tells us something about prioritizing a high-volume discussion that leads to consensus that involves. Many chapters obviously would have a higher priority to us, so so that I think it's a little bit of what because I was trying to get at I hope, I've added some some understanding to that yeah.

B

Thanks Mike, so yeah it's about the context, so it's not about judging consensus. It's just to get further context on on any particular request. Okay, that does.

E

Not make sense to it or understood I think I get I get.

G

It yeah so just a pile on there. The United process is actually called the document shepherd right up. So when an RFC gets consensus to move forward out of the working group, we put a wrapper around it, which is the write-up from the working group chairs, and one of the questions is how strong was the consensus. You have consensus, but it was a couple of people a couple of really loud people, everybody, the whole kind of think. That's that's really all it is.

G

It's basically just a wrapper around the advice and it can literally be in the email that you send. That has the attachment. That's that's really all we're asking for. Okay, that's cool! Thank.

E

You so any other question.

B

And again, thanks a lot for tracking these things. I mean I want to stress that this is great job you're doing, and you know we we are great to do that a few months ago, so I I went through stress the fact that you know you are keeping your promise so I appreciate that very.

F

Good I just like to chime in real briefly with some things: the chapters to the Advisory Committee for thinking about some, these governance issues, you're raising as I think it's always message of a few weeks ago, pointed out. There's there's going to be a need for a lot of consultation in the upcoming weeks coming months, so I'm I'm, looking forward to engaging that and glad you guys are starting to have those conversations already. Thank you.

H

Now maybe a bear quick note for me now will lead here. Is that I really appreciate the time and energy I put into this? It's very obvious. It's draining sometimes, so that's something you need to consider as a positive note from the board to you. Thank.

E

You so come, we must do a nickel. Thank you. So, looking ahead, we have started a discussion on the this thing about the opt-in and opt-out by AIESEC members and how did what effect hat that has in the total number of members that we have.

E

You know this ops thing is something that's kind of difficult to rock around, because you have people in your chapter that they opt out and but again they're counted as members. But you cannot. You cannot talk to them about your events. You can engage them.

E

So you know you have members that you can engage that type of conundrum so, and we have got a couple of emails requesting us to look into that and just see if we can come up with all my ideas that we can send to the board for 4-digit for this question so we're starting with we got the information from a couple of chapters about this I know.

E

Chris team from staff has started doing some gathering about around the member Nova and issues that are happening in there and things that each chapters need that they need for support from that system.

E

So the work is happening there, so I think this whole thing is going to come up into one place, but Chris is doing that that well, which is very, very important to do so and also we are reviving again the changes to the Charter that Richard, my previous colleague started in 2019 and a pin about changing Charlie our Charter to make it more efficient, we're looking at the also the and the mostly the form actually for the seeing committee, which kind of high so I. There is another group.

E

That's were already working on this, so you will see something coming through Trudy's eventually, but you know, changes to the charters require a specific number of form like 75% of the the chapters have to approve that, so that's and they have to prove it in a meal it doesn't have. It cannot be done electronically. So it's going to be a challenge. In any case, that's where we are this. Something that's happening and we done in mind. That's all I have to say if you have any questions before my time is up. Thank.

B

You worried about this. This is useful and please keep us updated on on the work on that, because yeah I know that in the past we've we've talked about, you know having rules that make sense on everything. So you know, having a ton of you know. Discussion on the process- and everything would be would be very welcome. Okay, so Kevin. If you could move into the mosaic again yeah thanks. So any any questions for Eduardo beyond the discussion we already had.

I

The Granger has a center I'm drew I, do okay, yeah, so one.

J

Thing in order that I notice about the opt-in opt-out, if you some of this had to has to do with some features, I guess I'll call it features of member Nova, and it's worth noting that we're we're having to look at some of the challenges that member Nova has presented. So the that's, that's a current staff effort, that's under underway, and you should look for you and other chapter leaders should look for some interaction about about that. Coming up.

J

Probably this quarter like this coming quarter, but I'm not exactly sure when it's going to happen, but but there is we. We appreciate that there have been some challenges and what we're trying to do is get a list of those things internally that are ones that you know like. We already know what these ones are, so you don't have to tell us about it and getting that list comprehensively.

J

Well, perhaps what I can say is that the list is turned out not to be as short as we would have liked, and so, where we're spending some time refining it. Thank.

E

You yeah, thank you with that in mind. I think I want to thank everyone in the bore for inviting me to the meeting and and give us the opportunity to give to tell you what we have been, but we have done on why we apply and YouTube yeah.

B

E

Know. Thank you. Thank you for the invitation. Yeah.

B

And it what do, as we usually say, I mean there's certain things that is good to exchange, formal relations or or recommendation or advice back and forth. But for other things we are always open to have also informal discussions, or you know just to to understand where we are so I mean you and I have you know periodic calls every now and then, but even if you want to have a call with you know more people from the board or anything or email exchanges, whatever we are always open to to have that channel open.

B

So just for you to know that you know you can do that as well. If sometimes you know you are doubting on, you know how to put together a format resolution or or there's something that does and I mean it's not worth it, basically to put something formal just to minimize the overhead. We are all open for that. So, okay.

E

And remember, this is an advisory group, so you know we are here. If you have any questions for the chapters just send them this way and we will try to get the answer and.

B

We will we will because, as I said in my last, email is specifically about the connected giving foundation. As you know, I mean basically the entity that would be receiving the money from PR we're gonna be asking the community, which you are part of obviously a set of questions on how to structure that I think your input would be extremely valuable because those I think we answer that.

B

As part of our our response to the last advice that you know certain faiths, we couldn't basically, you know, consult with the community because of legal constraints, but others we are actually not completely. You know free to do that, and and that's how our intention we will be discussing also with within the team, with sounding with Andrew, how to structure that as well- and you know just expect to hear from us regarding that very soon. Yeah.

H

And maybe I could chime in very quickly on. There are also occasionally things that we as a board decide on and we don't know the impact. For example, we've moved the voting process and shrink the voting process and introduced the forum as as a pre-requisite or, let's say a sequential process, I mean with like, oh so now. If you have the opportunity and interest because I was at the election committee chair last time, you decided to do this, and now we are seeing the results.

H

So that's something that you might want to raise and of course it's always welcome to encourage chapters to vote. This is the last time we might get this to mention to you, and so hopefully it will be a good turnout. Thank you.

B

Okay, excellent. Thank you. Well anything else before before you are no disconnect. Okay, okay, thanks again, Eduardo take care of yourself all right. Bye-Bye have a good day, excellent, okay, perfect! So so next on the agenda, it's Luis Luis! Can you hear me? Yes, dear me, excellent? Okay, so Louise again, you know, I am really sorry. We are not there in person. We would have loved to to come back to Cancun. So hopefully we can do that in the future and meet you there in person. Yes,.

K

Sure the the last time we met Gonzalo was in ITF in Singapore, so the it was a great time to meet the we really miss you guys. The icon has thinking of meeting in icon 70, so hopefully we can meet yet by that time the so everybody is missing. I know that some people couldn't change the flight, so they are here in in Mexico as well. Actually Alejandro Martinez, who is now the chair of the chapter, is now in Cancun, so I.

B

K

All the countries here as well yeah.

B

We can see him on the video, so some people made it to Cancun.

L

B

You are in Guadalajara, oh I am my. You know my family is actually from weather I heard about the one in Spain. You know so.

B

Okay, thank you Luis, but anyway, as I said, you know, let's, let's take the chance of meeting next time, whatever it is. That's always that's always good, so yeah, but anyway we didn't want to cancel the report from the local chapter, because you know, even though we are not in Mexico. We thought that it was now is basically to hear from you anyway. So so thanks a lot for joining, and we are looking forward to your presentation, absolutely excellent.

K

Thank you for your time. I should introduce already alejandro martinez, who is the nature of the chapter, and I understand the efi Fernandez who acts as the secretary and was the founder of the chapter who is joining us as well. So we appreciate a lot the chance to talk about what what is the situation of Internet in Mexico? What we are doing from the chapter and really thank the board to here our thoughts about these.

K

As you may know, Mexico chapter is one of the oldest chapters of Isaac, so we have a lot of stories to tell, but we will focus for the next ten minutes and leave some time from Q&A, so I will eat the boys and Alejandra will join for some comments. The we're talking about internet at Mexico, how we have grown, how we are consolidating into bringing the the principles of values, of Isaac, into public policy, technical activities and with people.

K

Yes, we want to get close to people so next place or yes, I don't know have do not have the control okay, so we're going through four main topics. The brain is. The first is who we are the next, how we are contributing to have a stronger Internet in Mexico. The third is how we are getting more people connected to the Internet, and the fourth is what is happening now around the internet in Mexico. So next, please well, as I was saying, the the sorry I cannot see the figure.

K

The Mexico chapter of the internet was a second charter chapter in Latin America, the first one was hurting Tina, but we submitted our application nearly at the same time. Currently we have about 400 members before up team. We were about 900, so we were in the in the in the mean of the effects of the up team. We have, let's say normal composition of gender.

K

However, we are higher than the usual numbers for the engineering or the internet industry. We have members of whole sectors, government, academia, industry.

K

We nearly have presence of members in every Mexican state. As you know, Mexico is quite large flying from Tijuana, where I am now to Cancun takes about five hours. So it's quite a long country. We have the three thousand kilometer border with the u.s.. So first election was held in 1995 when the chapter was founded.

K

Second, election happened in 1996 after the first president. Leave the next prescient just stay for the latter for the next. Twenty-One years we have an election 2017 I was elected, chair 2019, we just had a new election and Alejandro was selected, so you may see who who are members of the board now? Next? Please, oh sorry, can you go back excellent? Thank you so trying to resemble the ecosystem figure of of the Internet.

K

These are the organizations and the sectors we are related to where we have participation where we usually tell meanings or we have presence in their bodies, yes, ranging from the government going through universities, groups and individuals, the operators telecom operators, including Facebook and Google, the Mac's nog, which is the newly created the regulator which, who is the IFT and obviously the NIC, has the names and numbers authority in this country. Our next place.

K

K

Nearly excellent okay, sorry, according to official figures, sorry about the Spanish in these slides, but the way Mexico there is about 80 million of people connected to the internet, which is about 70 percent of population. Currently, official numbers is about 120 millions in Mexico on the left. In the middle we see the group ages, the age groups of the users. Yes, we see that the growth of people connected to the Internet is junk, ranging from 18 to 30 40 years old. So that means we have to focus a lot on young people.

K

John people I, don't like to call them Millennials, but they tend to be quite a competitive, so we need to bring not order but reflection time to think about what they are saying and using on the right. We see that we have a big problem, because the as most of the urban population is connected to the Internet 76% current figures in the rural or in just outside the big cities. Things are not getting nearly half our current s. Expectations is that 7% of Mexican land will never be connected to the Internet.

K

We have deserts and a lot of lots of hive mountains, but 3% of people living there are condemned to not be connected to the Internet. That's where we play a fundamental role, supporting the community networks and then connected either to operators or to the Mexican facilities infrastructure through a large shared backbone, fiber optic bone.

K

The favorite media to connect to the internet is now the mobile phone followed by the computer portable computer, the less television next, please I just.

L

A quick note about the connections in in Mexico. Let's remember also that the rural our rural areas do not have if, even though they are, there are a lot of presentation of connectivity, but the quality of the connection is now it's it's a it's a it's worse than there than the metropolitan areas. You get.

L

Usually a lot of the statistics on connectivity within tabular areas are based on connections being shared to public places and and and and then, and not that the the same level of connectivity that that that people have in their in the metropolitan areas. So a lot of that might be. It might even be considered that roughly a connection to the internet, they are not using the regular applications or services that are available to the to the to a better quality in the integration.

L

H

I intervene quickly and ask it's possible about this point, yeah sure, also taking into account data mobile data connections and all sorts of other connections. I mean. Is it a personal personally identifiable data or broadly about cable lines, for example broadband or how to home connections? Well.

K

The this is a bulk statistic: we're talking that the actually broadband through mobile lines is has more penetration now that landlines? Yes, if we're talking about fiber, cable, reaching homes, it's less than the availability of broadband through 4G connections and still a lot of 3G connections and in rural areas, Alejandro says there is a steel, 2g connections, so the we are on the line for 5g, but the that will only reach large cities.

K

Urban are condemned to not have five in there in the near future and they will depend on 3G and 4G to connect to the internet.

K

Is that what yeah you were asking for? Yes, thank you welcome, so, okay. So what are we doing to strain the Internet in Mexico? We have a good relationship with the regulator, the government and policy makers.

K

We have saying the our thoughts, principles and values as part of I soaked to the Mexican government and to I of T, which is the regulator the equivalent to Ofcom the EBU or the FCC. Yes, we are building a lot of capacity through community networks. The large community networks in this country have resulted from beyond the net support. The largest is the project of telecommunications communitarians, who are acting in Oaxaca and Chiapas and Jalisco States, which is a lot of indigenous people living there.

K

We are providing a lot of support through education and training that happens as well as in organization of Mex knock or Sybase cybersecurity courses in Oaxaca poor areas.

K

So we are looking forward to build wider and a specialized community talking about internet from a number of educated point of view of the of the internet, and we feel we're contributing a lot to gap reduction seen as the access divide, but we also think about the cultural divide we there there are about 1500 languages spoken in Mexico and each one has a complexity on using the Internet in their own character set. So we're we're working on that.

K

We have seen young people are developing wonderful things for chatting in their languages, just adapting the numbers they are nearly speaking emojis. Next, please, okay, the I will focus on the community networks on how the Internet has grown in Mexico I was telling you. We have a number of.

K

Partners, yes, who share our views and things about how the Internet is going to grow. We have this model that the problem is not connecting. The next billion is to connect the last billion, the last billion of people on earth. That will be very hard to connect. So we think that community networks and risk or wireless internet service providers that run grants to connect a small villages are going to be essential for connecting these last billion. We are through the chapter.

K

We are providing support technical support to make installation as the one on the Left we are providing support to create contents and to raise the the abilities digital abilities for everybody, for people in the field and the bringing education and courses free courses to children in school in rural schools and some guys in Cancun who were able to meet next time.

K

We meet in Cancun are even developing hardware to provide schools to a cachet version of the internet for schools with very poor connectivity in the rural areas, as Alejandro was saying, so we think the Internet Society foundation for supporting these projects next, please, finally, we're in a moment that we are talking about policy. We are talking about the our role in the technical standardization, on the technical support to people.

K

We are also providing support us our opinion, our technique, a technical opinion, then, regarding the last three movements we have seen the first one is internet, para todos, which copied the lima of I sake internet for everyone, which is the backbone fiber optics. I was talking about the government. We provided a lot of input how this should work. Even me, as member of the Advisory Council for the regulator, I made the recommendation for how a small service providers local should use the backbone.

K

So we probably we did that job on the recent call for public opinion regarding the net neutrality, a group of people organized in these campaign calls album us Internet. Let's save the Internet, we gave our technical opinion based a lot on the white paper issue by Isaac and we told them we have to separate the problem, the technical on one side and the human rights on the other side. It may be the same, but it has different approaches. Last week we have gender demonstrations for women that little violet points on the figure are women?

K

Yes gathering and the we're happy to see that the Internet is used for organizing these demonstrations. There were live broadcasting and a lot is archived on the internet, so the we feel that our members are very active on these and we just keep saying do not go into censure. Let's you, let's use the Internet to build a better community and a better world. So the I'm very happy to hear your comments and your answer. Questions if you have any is some time. Thank.

B

You Louise: this is really good in presentation.

B

Actually, I mean understanding how the whole coverage of the of the country is going, how it's progressing I mean a year by the year, so I really enjoyed those those data and and also I mean interesting about the characters and they need to develop basically, a new set of character sets for for communicating I, never thought of that actually I mean like like, of course, I mean everybody knows that this certain character set, but to the scale that you talked about so many languages, that's actually surprising, so yeah.

K

I have seen that with the indigenous people in Chiapas, who use a lot of accents tilde on on the letters they have developed new ways to communicate in a faster way, using the what's up, yes, which is running fine on their slow networks, and they get a lot of support from Mozilla Foundation to develop version of Firefox. That runs fine on their characters. Oh nice.

B

Wow really really amazing actually well, thanks for all the information which I have a few a few questions here. Oh god, please.

M

The Louie solitaire bienvenidos welcome I really want to commend you for your great work. As you said, Mexico chapter is one of our reference in the region, of course, after Argentina. But that's the dentist life is like it's like detail. Yeah.

F

M

It's honestly I I really commend you for all the work you do and I have a question. Mexico is a quite big country like like mine and I, see that you, you really are successful in in including people in your board and your activities from all parts of Mexico by the way you're not by a Mexico City. As far as I can remember, you're basing Robin Harmon right.

K

No Jeffrey is import. Oba attain the Pacific and animal doing a project in Tijuana, so the that we are thousands of kilometres away, I.

M

Know so that is something that I find remarkable and based on the experience in other countries in Latin America that we have a special big countries, but with highly concentrated populations in some cities, so having people actively participating from different parts of the country. Is it's very good and I see use your success with that I would like you to share with us how how you manage that? How you manage to me so good with there well.

K

The Internet is really very useful doing these conferences is something normal for us, but we also see the problems with the distance. We were for some time thinking into asking I hope to have another chapter that at least split the country in half. Sometimes we have to do board meetings and then I have to fly to Guadalajara or Alejandro fly to Mexico City when I am based in Mexico City, but the we lack completely on electronic community communications to organize what we are doing.

K

The administration of the chapter is distribute between what a lahar on Mexico and you seem electronic banking. When we need to provide resources for activities, we just do it electronically. We use a lot of FedEx and DHL to send materials and the run on honest remote operation situation.

L

Also that you ask I'll get you asked us how we manager or how we do it. Well, let's remember that the that the Mexico chapter of Isaac was founded in well Aloha, remember with this capacity or or these will of involving people from outside Mexico City, so so, and that is how the internet was born in Mexico as well before they income with the Mexican internet chapters. A group of University gather up and started the first Mexican Internet backbone, which which was max MIT, and this was all done by well.

L

Jeffrey- started also that project the one with the getting together with the University and informing our first Mexican backbone. It was a 64 kilobits per second backbone. For those of you that remember that era, and and and and again it was, it was seated like Puebla, Monterrey well ihara, which were more involved in setting up his backbone. So from the early beginning, we we've been seeing these as a as a need to to you know, get the country together and and start building projects where that would impact society.

L

That was our vision back.

K

Then, just to compliment a very fast comment, the the reason I'm here is that sometimes the you cannot do everything removed. I came here to implement registration and a community network project, and that's why I need to be here for some time, because we believe a lot that engineering, sometimes in the very adverse conte conditions, require the engineer to be there. Thanks thank.

B

You I'm trying down saying please: that's that's the most important part yeah, so you can continue your good work. I have a yet another question worried. Yes,.

H

Again, congratulations! The great work you're doing, as you know, I mean we have the internet society, both developmental aspects, as well as a policy aspect, and one of the recent things that came up in Mexico of the IFT guidelines proposed draft. That has been it to be detrimental to them. You know freedom of expression online as well as potentially leading to privacy concerns, there's been a massive on online campaign. I think it's called sell the most internet, so is that something that you're working on is very part of this?

H

Are you engaging with the community and finding ways well and what is it that I so can do? Ok, Salaam.

K

Well, it's the the we as I was explaining. The camping was started by a number of NGO organizations that when they read the guidelines regarding the net neutrality, they were claiming that they were their human rights were going to be affected. Now, as a chapter, we have participated in and Oboro in a number of public processes regarding the net neutrality and we provided input to the AFT, the regulator about the the broad term of neutrality, and we have two separate what we understand of net neutrality and what is related to network management.

K

Now the network management is a necessary technical issue and isn't wired for the efficiency of the network. The these groups were claiming that we as a chapter participate actively in on their campaign, but we noticed that the campaign has also a political presence, so we decided to support support from these organizations with technical information with technical advice and rather stay away from the political discussion, which is not our main objective. So we as I was explaining the white paper or of Isaac regarding the net neutrality is included in the guidelines.

K

Yes is included in the in the law in this interpretation of IFT. Regarding regulation, we have a number of meetings with IFT we're, not public, but we have these meetings and the the issue or the main issue is these groups. They even want to change the definition of net neutrality, where is by far universal? Yes, so then the what I foresee is that we will continue to support what is acceptable from the point of view and just stay away from the political discussion, which is not really our main concern.

I

B

We are running out of time, but this presentation was indeed very interesting. As I said, I enjoyed a lot all the statistics and the figures, and you know the good work you're doing so so I thought it was really great to have you, even if it's virtually an unfortunately not face to face thanks, also Alejandra and Jeffrey, for you in supporting that was, hopefully we will all be able to meet you guys in the in the future. At some point, we look forward to yeah.

N

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

C

B

Usually, we can also spend some social time like a lunch or anything. This time is not possible, but well, it is what it is so moving on to point number five on the agenda, which is the new and rejuvenated chapters. So basically, we are very happy to welcome you know one new chapter and two rejuvenated chapters and Kevin will put the resolution up there. That's a number 500 under there, so the new chapter is the FeO Kia chapter and the two rejuvenated chapters are Belgium and Cameroon.

B

So everybody has a few seconds to read the resolution. It mentions those three chapters and I'm gonna need someone to move and okay. Well, it moves hans-peter seconds and we're gonna pass these by acclamation.

B

Okay, so it is always great to see you know new chapters, basically joining and chapters, basically no rejuvenating so I'm very happy about this. This is this is really great news. Indeed, so the 4-hour note-taker John, the resolution passes by acclamation moving on to point number six on the agenda, which is to make two appointments to the PIR board. So, as you know, usually we have the PIR NomCom process whereby we appoint basically people to the PIR board every year since this year we are involved in the PIR deal.

B

We thought we we would basically I mean running the running. The process would be a big strength and since the process has been basically of taking a bit longer than originally expected, we decided to basically appoint or extend the terms of the two trustees or the two directors in the PIR board that they were basically now finishing their terms in in one year. So you know Jeff and Nouriel. The resolution will basically appoint them one one more year and the same thing here I need someone to move.

B

The thing is like you know: if we can move into the mosaic mode again, so that I can see yeah perfect, so, okay, so now I see you so Olga moves and pepper seconds. Okay and I'm gonna we're gonna. Do this by show of hands so I'm gonna be asking yes/no and abstain. So everybody voting. Yes, please raise your hands.

B

Everybody everybody Bodhi, no, um any abstentions. Okay, so all the trustees we have in the coal voted. Yes, so whatever solution passes, it.

C

Was a claim, did you vote YES or did you abstain?

C

Your heated my hand.

H

B

For yes, yes, all right, oh yeah, yeah, that's a good point! So Glenn, usually you recuse yourself from vir related decisions. So maybe you want to abstain on this yeah.

D

Yeah, better I, better change that to abstain. Thank you. Yeah.

B

Do my job? Okay, so ten, ten, yes, one abstention and Amica is not with us and perfect. So the resolution passes moving on to point number, seven on the agenda, which is two to four the board and the community to get a report on the Izod noncom, and we got a couple of questions before this is an open session. So so there's nothing confidential in the report. So all that please, the the floor is yours. We will. We will basically hear the presentation and then pass a resolution to accept the report afterwards.

B

M

Thank You Gonzalo I made a report and I don't know if Kevin you can show you I just can read it from my computer: it's only information, so it's not a PowerPoint. Okay. Thank you very much. So first point in the in the report is the timetable. As you can see, I won't read it because it's very long but as you can see, we did it slight change in the date that we published the candidates late and we announced the candidates late.

M

It was delayed by one week approximately because we wanted some more information about some candidates in the list. Only that that that's the only main change in the timetable and about the applications that we received. I would like to make some comments because, as I have been chairing, this non come before I'm a member of this non come before and we have seen important changes. We had a total applications of 30 30 applications we see, which is, which is a not the biggest number that I can recall.

M

We have 36 I think the year before or the previous year, but there are the leaders that I want to share with you about this 14 from chapters and 17 from organizations. This, the good things that we notice is the regional distribution of the of the applications about chapters. We had three from Africa, five from asia-pacific, one from Europe from Latin America and the Caribbean and two from North America, and you may recall from previous anon comes. We had very few or non applications from Asia Pacific.

M

So I would like to stress this point as a result of the good work of the chapters and of the staff that it's really focusing work in in a areas in regions that were perhaps not more know so much aware of our work and in this elections and this possibility of appointing members about organizations, we see some steals and some lack of some regions, but that's that's quite normal in that's, usually three from Africa Reformation Pacific for from Europe non from Latin America and the Caribbean and seven from North America, but still I.

M

Think it's a remarkable having better regional distribution of the applications in general and more from asia-pacific about gender, that is, that was somehow disappointing. Having no female candidates from chapters we we did manage to include one one female can be late in the chapters late I will go into details in a moment about that, but there were no female candidates, which was somehow disappointing, but it's what it is and Kevin Kenya's call it.

M

Thank you very much organizations at six female and 11 May. So what we are doing, a selection and deliberations and report and interviews we selected at slate of six candidates I, will focus first on the chapter slate we selected six candidates for the chapters election. It was difficult. All the candidates were very good and we privileged the regional distribution, the regional representation of all of them, which we thought it was very good. I would like to commend and thank our NomCom committee members that were very very.

M

We had a very good teamwork and after this six candidates, leg was informed to the community. There was a petition by a made by George Adamski. You may have seen it and it received a lot of support from several chapters. So therefore, the there are two seats that will be when we filled by those who win this election and the finance laid is, as you can see, in the in the in the screen. It's organized by last name alphabetical order, sattibabu from India, my moon at the option, Senegal she's a lady.

M

She was originally in the in the organization as a initiation candidate, but after we had the interview with her would realize that she was she had more experience in in working with chapters to an organization, so we thought that she could be a good addition to this state RIS Miguel from Mexico. We just had him in in this meeting. Glenn McKnight from Canada Glenys is already a member of our board may form from Pakistan sure Sikorsky from the United States and revert to some balance on both Libya and then about the organization's election.

M

Thank you Kevin. So we originally was selecting a slate of two candidates for the organization member selection. There was one more candidate that was added to the initial slate.

M

She was originally identified as a very good candidate, but the there was some conflict of interest that we had to review. So this is why we delayed a little bit announcement, but finally, we organized this slate of three country. We could select this of three candidates only BLF from France that it hardly from the United States and Heather West from the United States and all the information you can find of them. There I think they are online in this. In this link, I don't know if we have more information, because this is a short turn.

M

That's all! Okay! So that's that's a report from for all of you. If you have questions and again thank you for all the candidates that were willing to run for this election and many many thanks to the members of the committee is shown- and we don't have here at Glendon from from the organization's and and also the appointee by the chapters and mr. Calderon from Puerto, Rico and Miki was also enter.

B

Yeah, it's good to see that I mean to say that you know. After discussing with the Omar Khan the chapter Advisory Committee, we decided basically to let them appoint a member to the or suggest a member which we confirm to the advisory committees and I. Think that has worked very well. So so that's really good yeah.

M

Both of them Alfredo, Calderon and clenteen, really were very, very helpful and also I, know. Shaughnessy is nodding because he he was not so great. It was a team work. It was. It was very good that the committee was not so big, it was quite concentrated, but they had the view from the chapters from the organization's and we from the board so I think it. It was okay, I, don't know if Shawn wants to add something to to my comments as a member of them no come.

M

B

Okay, perfect, yes, so so this is great any any questions for oka. I I think I mean I I ii, basically that that you know it's important to have many volunteers to be able to put together a good slate and then you basically good selections for, for you know the board, eventually so yeah that that's a really important process. Okay, I, don't see any questions and last time, thank you good, so Thank You Olga. We need to accept the report, so I need someone to move rich.

B

Our moves, ah someone to second as well: okay, well, eight seconds: okay, perfect, we're gonna pass this again by show of hands, so I will be asking yes/no and abstain. So everybody voting. Yes, please raise your hand, no votes, abstentions.

B

Okay, so everybody everybody voted. Yes, so the resolution passes. Thank you.

B

Okay, so let me check where we are I think.

D

We had unanimous consensus on that exactly yeah I.

B

I mean we, we basically are missing one trustee because Mika couldn't make it. So in that sense you know I, don't know if you call that unanimous.

D

G

B

Followed our process exactly so we have eleven eleven votes in favor. Let's keep it up that, let's leave it at that, okay, so we next thing is a break, so we're gonna break for 15 minutes until until you know 15 to the hour where we will basically resume and listen to to the present and see your reports. Okay, any any last comment or question before we break okay so enjoy your 15 minute break! Talk to you soon!

B

You, according.

F

B

Thank you coming so welcome back. We had a small break here and we continue. We are on on point number 8 on the agenda which is to the idea is to get the reports from Andrew and Andrew will be giving a perfect board and then Analia has joined, to give us two more reports and- and we have one and a half hours for that so Andrew the floor is yours.

B

Okay, so they a mutant doesn't seem to work for some people. Andrew. Can you No? Okay Kevin, stop quickly, please mute Andrew.

I

B

J

And I guess: yeah okay, so we should put the this first report is the achievements report. There is a deck to go with this I guess.

J

You will remember that when we presented the 2019 action plan, one of the things that I talked about was how you know how you were going to know whether we did this, whether whether we did the things we said, we were going to do that's what this report is about and the the point that this is we're, not all the way there in 2019 we're getting better at this. So the 2020 action plan summary will will be an improvement over this, but this is the first year what we had things that I think were we're.

J

You know pretty measurable and we've got a report that will go out to the community that matches matches this so next slide. Please you'll remember that in the 2019 action plan we had sort of two pieces that we were doing. One was areas of focus, so we tried to try to pay attention to the the areas of focus, and then we also try to talk about the the overall way in which we were going to do these things. So we had these focus areas of connecting the world and that involved the community network campaign.

J

The the internet exchange points and interconnection work, including the grant from Facebook. We had improving technical security, which involved the manners campaign primarily, and we had the efforts around building trust, which involved the the Internet things stuck. Could you go back please? Thank you.

J

We also had a number of these approaches, which involved you know, supporting the Internet Governance community. We had Brandon online presence efforts in order to try to improve the voice that we and the way we could project that, and we had an effort to build the community through what we call was sort of a service bureau. It was really an effort to to package together the things that we we do, that are services, two chapters to make sure that they were sort of widely accessible next slide. Please.

J

So we had various impact indicators and I have to say thanks to her Nellie and her team, they worked to to sort of distill this out of the out of the action plan from 2019 and, and so we had a number of these things. The staff all across the organization worked hard to make sure that we that we had these measurable things.

J

You will see in this and I I for shouted this at our last meeting that you know a number of these things really needed a baseline, and that was one of the problems that that we'll we'll see sort of repeatedly through this. You know if you hadn't done measurement in the past. It was clear that you that you have the proper baseline necessary.

J

Nevertheless, we see on some really good results here, for instance, we said that we were going to have four governments, or at least four government's we're going to express a willingness to use public funds for community networks. Actually, we got eight we're willing to do this, so this was a you know, 200 percent of our goal. This maybe means that we didn't set our sights high enough, but that's okay, that's how you get going so I'm very happy about this.

J

Similarly, we had development agencies that were pledging to make three networks part of funding portfolios, and we got a big win here on six of the development agent, we managed to get six development agencies, including International Development Bank's, who are willing to just sign up for this. So this is really good news, because what we see is that we're we're we're creating a movement around this and I. Think that this is a you know, it's very, very significant might be the ITU and the GSMA are both involved in these. Are you know?

J

These are groups that is for clean and completely opposed to this to this style of stuff, and suddenly they realize. Oh, you know this is a this is a way forward and it really continues to grow the market. So this is I think this is not qualified and we're continuing with this work this year next slide, please. uh We also had you know, work on an IXP, so we were working on ixps outside of the rest of the world is excluding Africa, basically, because that was where we were working on with Facebook.

J

So we distinguish them between these two things. We actually managed to get on twelve IX be supported in various places. A critical thing, that's in a really important part of the way that internet exchange points are useful is not just like. Oh you get it in an exchange point because that would be. That would actually be contrary to our interests right. What would happen? Is you sort of drop the thing in place and then walk away, and what you get is is infrastructure that people can operate.

J

The real key here is actually to get a community working around this and that's fundamentally a big part of what we're trying to work on here. You need, you need well-trained local experts running in the country. You know we had on acclaimed the welcoming of the Ethiopia chapter and when I was in recently I was talking to tada what it was talking about.

J

How the chapter you know now has this opportunity to work on on the infrastructure, and it was you know, sort of simple kinds of infrastructure in sorts of things like you know all the packet loss you get in a hotel network or something like that, and it was interesting because then I went to the airport and I signed on and I had 30% packet loss just on the first off and that's exactly the sort of thing where you know you know: you've got local experts, he really could solve this.

J

This thing is not a big development piece of work that needs to happen, but you need local people who were really working on things next, please.

J

Similarly, we were doing this in in Africa. There were two things that we were trying to do here. We were trying to scale up to ten IXPs in Africa that were find that we were working on on so we did get to 210.

J

There was a second thing that we were aiming at here. There was a sort of aspirational goal of keeping eighty percent of the traffic inside Africa. um We've got some positive on. We've got some positive moves there as you can speak. The data from Nigeria makinia suggests that we've got like seventy percent local traffic. So there's this positive movies, but we didn't get to the eighty percent. Also, we didn't have really good baseline stuff. Here.

J

I will say that 2020 one of the pieces that we're working on there around measurement and so on, a project around measuring the Internet one of the things we're really working on are these kinds of metrics so that we've got long-term sustainable measurement of this sort of thing. So when we go to talk to governments or we go to talk to policymakers, we go to talk to private enterprise. We can say: hey. Look, these are real things that are going on and that's that's a general problem with the internet these days.

J

Next, please so we got good news, I. Think in manners.

J

Generally speaking, you know I have heard from on various occasions honestly when I started, there were some people who said to me: manners, isn't it / and instead I, you know I felt no. This is really the internet way. We really need to double down on this, and we have actually had quite good luck on this. Look at that by the end of 2019 we had 311 manors members, so people were signing up. People are joining this movement and I. Think that you know it's a community of a movement.

J

We are sort of you know facilitating this, but really it's being operated by be by the community. Now we, we have to say one of the things that we were hoping to do was to say you know. Our theory was, if you get manors doing than what we should see is a number of is a decline in the number of routing leads in theory. Right, that's that's what ought to happen? What we actually saw instead was an increase of roading incidents.

J

Now the question that we have to ask is: is this because we're measuring better because we've got more members and- and the answer is we don't know, and- and this is actually part of part of the the facts that we need to admit about our efforts.

J

Historically, we have not really had good data to start with, and so we don't always have good things to report on, but what that means is that we need to get better at this, but we also need to understand the relationship between managed membership and the number of incidents, because what we shouldn't have seen, if we got more members is we should missing it increase, but we don't. We don't actually have an explanation for why.

J

The other thing that I will note, though, is that we do now have the observatory, which was, of course, it's sort of the critical piece of this. So since we've got that thing deployed and it's getting better, we've got positive movement in any case next, please.

J

So we did work on on IMT and we had some good results on the internet-of-things areas. We've had good results with various countries who have developed on processes around this. We had, you know good results in Canada we did results.

J

We just had a good results in France, we've had good results in other countries, and and people coming along with this sort of thing say: oh yeah, we shouldn't just try to regulate in a top-down manner, so all of that is the good news, but the thing we really wanted was for people to adopt the OTA framework, and we had this idea that we were getting five manufacturers representing ten of the consumer market and we really didn't have the ability to do this. I I must say as an organization.

J

This was not really a capability that I think we had and I think we concluded partway through the year that we were deluding ourselves in being able to do this. So this is management error, responsibility for it that we set this goal for ourselves and and I. Don't think that it was a realistic goal and I think what we needed to do was look at that much harder, and that's one of the things that you've seen over the past year that we've had a look at some of these kinds of programs and we've said: hey.

J

We actually don't have the ability to do this, so we shouldn't do it. What that has meant, however, is that we also did some damage to our to our relationships with other people, because you know we cancelled this project partway through the year and people had sort of you know dependent on it, and we didn't have the ability to change the portfolio sort of as gradually as we might have liked. That is part of the reason that I want multiple year.

J

You know I want the sort of five year picture to give us the basis on which we can make these sort of longer-term judgments, rather than simply going community. So this this was.

J

Somebody had some static there. This this was not as successful as I would have liked, but I don't think that it's a staff problem. This really is something that was on all right next, please.

J

J

Excuse me: I, try not to cough there, we go exactly I, don't have coronavirus, so we did get some some positive results in in collaborative approach efforts, including in the IOT in the IOT space. When we had a number of multi stakeholder approaches on rather than sort of straightforward.

J

You know kind of traditional regulatory stance- I, for instance, participated in in the multi-stakeholder process around Canada because it was easy for me to get there, and you know we had a number of serious successes there. It was very, very interesting and I think this is. This is true across the other efforts where I've been in the room as well, that the.

J

Government officials are not used to dealing this way, but they see the benefits and when they, when they start to understand how to work on this and so on, they want to do it, and so I think that this is an era where we really didn't have some some success. We had 15 governments really working this way and I think that you know we can. We can say this is a way forward and you know once you start seeing the benefits of this.

J

It's a natural tool that governments construct to use, so that was also I think pretty successful. Next, please.

J

So in in 2019 one of the things that happened was we finally had the chapter letters, sort of really nailed down, and we had this idea of the health ranking with chapters, and you know it's really quite good I think we had a hundred 24 chapters by the end of this that were in good standing.

J

So, as 94% of our chapters were good standing, we had other words rejuvenation, but we just had you know the applause in the earlier session today, because we had to do the came out a rejuvenation in our in they're in better shape. So so this is really quite good. um We still got some work to do on effective governance. We've got some travelers that are going, but you know we hear this excellent report, for instance from Mexico chapter and so we're trying to improve.

J

You know some of the other chapters there's another issue that I want to I want to say, and that is we spend a lot of our efforts on the chapters who need to move.

J

You know into into good and I think that you know it's a sort of an open question: whether we also need to spend some more time on the chapters who are really really good and and whether we need to spend some time on them, or maybe they want to be left alone, because they're doing their work and I think that's another thing that we want to. We want to engage with this year.

J

We really don't didn't, have an effective baseline, so we were reestablishing that this year there is one thing that that's worth known knowing, and that is the requirement to have a local bank account in the name of the chapter. I understand why we have this rule I. Think it's a good rule, I think that they're good solid, you know governance reasons to do this. I think that, from the point of view of our of our accountability to the IRS, as well as the wider community, this is really important.

J

But it is a serious burden for a lot of chapters and I think that we need to. We need to face that and be honest with them, that we recognize that this is difficult. There are some countries where this is all but impossible, and it really makes it very difficult for us to send them funds, for instance, for the administration and so on. It creates it, creates a burden on them and I think we need to.

J

We need to acknowledge that we did D tarter six chapters, because the rejuvenation was not successful happen to 2019 and, of course, what that means is, if you say look this one is just not working out. Your overall rate of health goes up because you you lose some people, but I think that it's it's reasonable for us to say this is an effort that is not working. We have to sometimes say people have lost interest there, we're not going to continue X. Please.

J

We did have a positive results in the pageviews, it was a you know. We were aiming at three million pageviews and was just over three million three and a half million really so it was a little bit of an increase. It is worth noting that we got a lot more traffic at the end of 2019, and you might, you know, have an idea about why that happened. So it was a little bit. It was a little bit higher than average and and I think that that's you know it.

J

It suggests to us both that we've got an opportunity that results from some of the attention that we've had, but also not all not all of the attention obviously has been, has been desire desired attention. Next, please.

J

There was this question we were going to. We were aiming to increase the brand health and fundamentally we came to the conclusion that, like, whereas we had useful, you know definition here we wanted an increase and the plain fact of the matter was: we didn't understand what this measurement was, and so you know, I can't report positive results or negative results or really.

F

Any results here.

J

But you know we're going to talk a little bit about about communications plans later in the meeting. More importantly, we do have a definition of this. The paid earned, shared and owned media framework has been adopted. So we're we're working through this, but this is not an area where I could say we got clear impacts next.

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J

We did some other work here that I think we're really really important. We did this overall evaluation of fellowship programs. I've talked about this at length in the past, so I'm not going to I'm not going to belabor it, but you know that's ready for community consultation. It's going to be happening this year, I leave. That was the right decision that we ended. Certain kinds of travels items particularly useful we've also done some measurement of policy guests at the IETF. That really continues to be a fairly successful program.

J

Obviously, with the cancellation of the IETF meeting this year, our this, this March we're not running that program there, because it would be effectively impossible to do it virtually. But you know we expect to continue that plan next, please so that covers all of the all of the impacts that we, you know that we measured in 2019 I. You know I again, I think the staff for putting putting these numbers together and for for delivering I think it's. It's really important that the Internet Society consistently be able to show. This is what we said.

J

We were going to do and here's how you know whether we did it or did not. One of the criticisms that has been leveled against us is that it's not always clear what what it is we're doing with the spending that we undertake I. Don't think that that's entirely fair, but I think that you know the fact that we have not always been as transparent, as perhaps we should have been and is something that I think we need to continue to get better at. This is a piece of that.

J

There is a report that will go with this and we know he's going to talk about that. So I'll end it over Oh. Unless there are questions yeah.

B

Thank you, Andrew um yeah,.

G

I see fun has a question, so thanks for the Sandra, it's great to see that word. We also get this information through the grow. Dashboard. Yes, is the idea that maybe, if we wanted to provide more transparency, we could provide that to be able to watch work. Is that a fine grain? Would you want to do it differently.

J

Iii think it's fair to say that not all of the staff agree with my position on this, but um I I would like the long-term story to be. Yes, that is, if that becomes a public on mechanism in which you know, people will have real-time ability to look at what we're doing and how we're doing it, because I think the staff are doing great things and I think we should be screaming about it from the job, especially.

G

If it's public, because then you could just point to it, but as I find a lot of people like Ali, didn't do anything I'm like didn't. She know about bla people are like where to come from I'm like well from the reports they write and from the other things that make the community does you're, just not particularly plugged into those and you're gonna link. You can send like hey check this out. It helps III. Do.

J

Think that that is part of the long-term story- I I, don't know that I would want to point everybody in the world and growth. The Commission it's in right now, so I I think that maybe like this year. That is not that's not what the plan is, but I do believe that in the long run, that is precisely where we ought to be going.

B

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Though you like practically.

J

Wants to come through the wires and strangles we.

G

Got we can see that it is good? That means we have a.

B

B

Face to face meetings can get quite dangerous. Nowadays, that's right, Mike.

D

So I guess what I've learned is that now we should have a PIR controversy every year to continue to build on our engagement with with the with our web resources, but but more seriously, no really I'm totally serious. We just keep selling it every year and it weighs if we seem to be on the path to continue to sell it year by year.

D

So so, given that that's happening, you know that's an option, but I think that one thing that I know at the IGF right after announced, the PIR transaction, was that Brad Solomon when he was holding his side meeting at IGF for the purpose of beating the drum against the transactions would say we realized. We have not been paying adequate attention to the quality of contributions that I saw it's been making in terms of its excellent stewardship of PIR, its responsibilities with regard to PIR and the door POV and I thought that was really interesting.

D

So in a sense, I am a little more serious that you know. We did benefit from the fact that we got the attention, even though a lot of it was negative attention, and so my feeling is it may be, but not only it will shoot me down honest, but my feeling is that the law, you know the more interactive, updated resources about what we're doing the more people will engage with us on the website and for other channels. So so I tend to be to come down with you on that on the dashboard stuff, I.

J

Do think, though, that we need to acknowledge that, historically, the action plans were perhaps not as specific about what they were going to achieve, as as as the ones over the past couple of years have been, and I will say, you know, I've challenged the staff to to commit publicly to quite specific and concrete measures and they've come through on that and that you know that's a scary thing to ask people to do.

J

You know you're going to commit to this thing and then we're gonna hold you up every year and say look, this is what we did and that's you know that is I think a place where the staff have have really. You know stuck their necks out and I.

J

Think that that we need to acknowledge that, because that's that's giving us this ability to deliver reports like this from year to year, so I, you know, I believe that the Internet Society staff, really you know we- we owe them a debt of gratitude for being willing to undertake this, because most people don't have this kind of challenge right. Where you're, gonna, you're gonna be judged in public.

J

All the time about whether you, whether you really did good work, so I, think that that's a that's a good thing, but I believe that that is part of our responsibility. You know, if we're going to be the Internet Society, that we need to mean it, and that means when we work the things we do. We have to say this is what we're doing with all of this money that we fortunately have.

B

Okay, well, it.

B

Assuming you can amuse yourself, maybe there's no Trivium, no okay! We should really look into this because um okay well wait now.

H

You're, okay I got scared of it. Okay, so just one thing about the accomplishments in terms of the extended I'd say: scope of eyes up, which is the chapters? Do you also take that into account, for example, the projects, whether the medium-large czars projects and whether they have been implemented I recall sometime ago that we also wanted to see if there's an impact on the ground in these particular regions, I mean have you had any formal metrics that you can use to measure so.

J

We didn't have anything like that for 2019. It was one of the things that we wanted to do, but the 2019 action plan didn't include measures along those lines. The 2020 plan does, and so we're going to see. You know how effective we are at that I. Think in 2020 we were perhaps less good at getting the just. So far we were less good at getting that engagement and involvement. Then we would like to be over the long run. You know, but that will take time when you want.

J

You know, we've got a large number of chapters and we've got different sort of levels of engagements and so on, and of course not all of the chapters are interested in all of the things we're doing so. Sometimes it's hard too hard to get people interested in it, but I believe that as we refine this thing and we're always going to talk a little bit of our plans for engaging the community on our building of the 2021 plan.

J

So you know that's another piece of this that we've sort of tell people in advance and give them what plenty of runway so that they can say, hey, there's a thing that we want to work on too we can. We can align our align our work with with a thing that the staff is working on, so that it becomes easy to put these things together, and you know that's a multi-year project.

B

Okay, well, it seems to be happy because he cannot unmute okay,.

B

Ok Hans Peter is is throwing his hands to the earth on the air as Peter. Are you frustrated? You want the floor or what I don't understand you.

A

Yes, oh it's working, okay, I'm.

B

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No I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon or just open fire already I. Think it's really necessary to make this information public not absolutely necessary to make it public online or immediately, but make it visible to the outside. It's ok. We are doing good things. We are doing great things, but we should make it visible for everybody what we are doing. So thank you and I'm trying to support you.

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J

You we appreciate the support, but you've also made an excellent segue.

J

B

Good yeah and, to be clear, I mean you saw the conversation we had with the chapters the other day and and I was actually very surprised that people were asking if there was something Internet related beyond PIR, which is completely crazy, given all the work that we do in I mean in every single way. So in that sense, I, like on what Hans Peter was saying, yeah, that's an important point: okay, so Rena Leah. Can you amuse yourself? Can you hear me yeah, absolutely good, excellent, okay,.

O

So, thank you very much, I'm very happy to be here with me today. What I will be presenting to you are the answers to what Hans bethe was just asking for which is make public what we're doing- and this is one of them, so my presentation would be highlights from the internet society's 2019 impact report. You have the full written report in your briefing packet, which has a lot more information. We will be launching the report and sharing it with our community shortly.

O

Let's go to the next slide. The 2019 impact report is our first-ever impact report. It is our attempt to capture the difference that we make in the world through our work, which we do with our global community of partners, members and chapters. It may not be evident to a lot of people that we're doing that, but when people review this report they will see that there is some evidence of that and we do need to get better at it and we will promote the work more in the future.

O

All of the work that we do where the internet society are aimed at achieving an open globally connected, secure and trustworthy Internet. In the report, we highlighted four areas of work that we feel had a significant effect on the internet. They are community networks, internet exchange points, routing security and encryption.

O

We are continuing the work in these four important areas of work this year under the 2020 action plan to build, promote and defend the Internet and I just want to say one more time what I'm presenting are the highlights, so you will have more information on the results of the work that we get last year in the report itself. Next slide, please, our work on community networks in 2019 was focused on addressing the challenge of connecting the unconnected where 49 percent of the world's unconnected people live in the most challenging areas to connect.

O

So, let's see what we did last year, let's go to the next slide. The roles that we played in enabling more people to be connected to the Internet via community networks, were as convener advocate and enabler. We convene stakeholders interested in enabling community networks across five regions.

O

This builds and strengthens our community of interest on community networks, which I believe is quite significant right now in terms of numbers, we advocated for community networks and work with governments and intergovernmental organizations around the world to support effective connectivity policies and legislation, and there is evidence that we were quite successful in this last year and we enabled the development of innovative internet infrastructure solutions by working with our chapters and by convincing development banks and agencies to provide funding for community networks, and you heard from Andrew about this earlier as well.

O

Let's go to the next slide and here are some of the key outcomes from our effort on community networks. In 2019, we we successfully gathered about 40,000 stakeholders, face-to-face and online to advance community networks as a solution for the unconnected. Each of our five regional networks had concrete outcomes which are included in the report. The six development agencies and banks that supports it or provided direct funding to community networks. Initiatives are the IT use development sector, the World Bank, the African Union, the Development Bank of Latin America.

O

The Czech Development Agency and US aid, also 28 chapters participated in our chapter thorn on connecting the unconnected last year and chapter thorns are quite special because they happen within a 24 hours, fair. So, within a 24 hour period, our trap chapters developed connectivity, solutions for local communities and here I flagged two examples: South Africa chapters, project, Kola, weyni Wi-Fi hotspots created a network for 350 book or many residents. Sorry I mispronounced, a book of any residents and the New York Chapter helped New York City mesh, expand its nubbin network to 600, serve locations.

O

I think it's amazing that they did that within 24 hours. Next slide, please.

O

This area of work is in on internet exchange points. I will work on iyx piece in 2019, focus on the Challenger of high data, transit costs, poor service quality and limited local contact creation, which remains pervasive issues for many communities and countries around the world. So, let's see what we did last year next slide, please our role in this area of work is as supporter and partner, as well as capacity builder. Since the internet society began work in this area, we have supported the development of more than 40 IXPs worldwide.

O

You don't see it on the slide, but I have it in terms of data. In 2019, we continued the work. We supported a development of 12 new IXPs around the world. We also helped to scale up the operations of an additional 10 IXPs in Africa next slide. Please so in terms of, let me just say a little bit about the work that we did last year in terms of capacity building. We trained more than 400 local experts online.

O

We also deliver it additional training with partners on the ground in nine countries across Asia, the Middle East and North America. We hosted and support at local peering forums to bring ixv operators together for skills, development, networking and community building partnerships and community building were central to our work on our XPS. The African peering and interconnection forum, fondly known as f5 in 2019, was extremely successful. Example of this.

O

Over the years we have worked with local and regional technical fora like Nog's network operator groups and internet exchange, point associations to increase community participation in technical capacity building, and here's where we want to highlight some results, particularly in terms of key outcomes from our XIX, be work in Africa internet traffic exchange locally in Africa has grown by more than 400,000 percent.

O

In the past 10 years, data from Nigeria and Kenya shows that at least 70% of traffic was exchanged locally, reducing transit costs for Internet users in region and for the work that we're doing this year and also I'm sure in next year, we're going to document more and more in terms of the impact that we're having on the ground next slide, please for our work on manners, mutually agreed norms for routing security, I apologize for the mistake in the label here we'll have that changed as soon as this presentation finishes, we focus on the challenge of ongoing leaks and hijacks that undermine security and Trust in the internet.

O

Let's, let's go to the next slide and see what we did. So the manners is a true community driven initiative. It was created by members of the network operator community for the network operator community. The Internet Society is proud to support this important work. Since its beginning, we provided hosting for the manners website. We managed to email this and we hope the initiative actively all around the world in 2019. Our role in manners is as catalysts for the initiated joint manners ixv program.

O

This program brought in support for manners calling on aiex feed on the world to work together to implement crucial fixes that eliminate the most common threats to the Internet's routing system in 2019. We also served as thought leader and curator for the manners Observatory, and this observatory is quite special. It was successfully launched. It is a new and vital tool that increased transparency to routing operations. It also allows us to see trends in routing security at all levels, globally, regionally and for individual networks.

O

We believe that they observatory is critical for stakeholders to understand the state of routing security and resilience and to support improvements based on evidence. So, let's see what the key outcomes are on the next slide.

O

Twenty new I expects across five regions began working together to support routing security. The World Economic Forum recognized manners is an important initiative for routing security and called on Internet service providers around the world to consider joining minors in its cyber crime prevention principle, principles for Internet Service Providers report. There was tremendous growth in a number of network operators and I, explaining the manners movement participant more than doubled. The total at the end of 2019 was 311 participants representing an increase of 113 percent from the previous year.

O

Also through the observatory, Manners participants can view the performance of more than 64,000 individual networks worldwide. I believe that is two-thirds of the individual networks worldwide currently and the mannose participants can also receive detail monthly incident reports on their networks. Let's go to the final area of work on the next slide, so the final area of work in the 2019 impact report is on encryption. This is a younger area of work, but no less important and urgent.

O

Here we focus on the challenge of governments that are increasingly demanding and securing access to encrypted communications, which undermines security and privacy for all users. Let's go to the next slide. Our role in the work on encryption last year was primarily as advocate. We served as diligent advocate and informed governments and businesses about why it is necessary and in their best interest, to maintain ubiquitous encryption. Let's see what the key outcomes are on the next slide. So we've had several encryption related advocacy successes in 2019.

O

They are all the result of working together with our chapters, partners and allies. This has allowed us to have greater impact than if we had worked alone. Several internet society chapters took a leadership role in this area of becoming strong advocates and community leaders for strong encryption in 2019. We advise the civil society effort that led to the removal of problematic text regarding encryption from a Brazilian anti-crime bill, and we successfully countered the UK government headquarters headquarters, ghost Protocol proposal for end-to-end encrypted message access.

O

We also had other smaller advocacy results in Australia in the in the United States, and this is in the report as well, and also another thing I wanted to flag. Our financial support to let's encrypt, has helped increase the number of websites that encrypt their traffic from 150 million to 180 million in 2019.

O

Let's go to the final slide, all of the work that we are highlighting and the outcomes are possible because of our community and partners. We will be building on these four areas of work this year in our action plan 2020 and we plan to continue reporting on our impact every year. This is the end of my presentation. I would encourage everyone to review the full impact report. If you haven't done so, I think the Internet Society has done some really good work in 2020.

O

The results speak for themselves and we hope to continue making a difference this year and in the coming years. Thank you very much. Thank.

B

You very Nelly and yeah I mean like let's remember that you know we were shifting. The focus from you know, reporting on activities and things like that to to reporting on on impact. So I think this is kind of I mean a complete change right. It's just like I want to stress this that we have. We have made a really really big change on and I ate myself, at least for one I'm very happy to see this. It's it's basically I mean a lot of steps in the right direction.

B

So thanks for that, any any questions, yeah Richard, please, okay! Well, while they a mute, Richard, Rinna Leah, we had a question before regarding these local traffic in Africa, so so to understand the figure you were providing is this traffic that goes from Africa to Africa and it wouldn't go outside the continent right. Yes, yes, you are not taking into account let's traffic that goes from Africa to Europe, for example,.

O

Basically, we're trying to look at traffic. That's retained in Africa, that's the 70% that we're seeing in Kenya and Nigeria, fantastic, okay,.

B

But that 30%, which is not retaining Africa, would that include traffic originated in Africa and ending somewhere going out yeah okay. That would include okay, yeah, no, because the discussion we were having is that, basically, what you don't want is that traffic between two African countries would go somewhere else. So yeah.

N

Yes, okay, I see.

B

Rich, are you have managed to a mute yourself? So please? Yes, yes, you are great.

F

Yeah I just wanted a second one, I thought I was saying about. You know how nice it is to have this. This kind of impact, focus and I think it's really positive change. It's also proposed that it might be might be useful to kind of do some meta impact analysis in that you know, once we get this report released on, it would be good to get see if we get some feedback from the consumers of it.

F

The the community on whether this is the right type of impact to be reporting on I, don't whether these are the right dimensions for us to be focused on I, think they.

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Things, like you know, 2020.

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Exactly that would be actually a great idea because, as I said from our point of view, from the board's point of view, this is exactly what we want it so so yeah, it's good that we we understand also in the communities from the same page, I, don't see any more questions. Yes, Mike I, just.

D

Want to say, I plan to carry around a copy of your report on my mobile device, so I can just pull it out and show people. You know what we're doing since I get asked all the time to defend I sock. I'd, say you know, here's here's what we're doing and then I will take them carefully through every screen of the report. So thank you for this. This is really good product. Thank you. So much for now, yeah.

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To make sure that this is distributed, and people are aware of that, as I said before, especially because of the types of questions we have gotten from people, so obviously not everyone is aware of of the impact we are making more questions.

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Emitted I never muted, myself to start with, so the idea is that I think this along the same lines that have been mentioned. This is important and one thing that we often miss when we talk with chapters is that how do they also convey the message because they are the extension of isert in some ways?

H

Oh, it's useful to also have this means of them just just as we have produced this fine report and the summary we might want to have some crash courses as some sort of mechanism to relate because they are the first interface with communities in these regions. So when they usually hear about I saw clear through them, so they don't necessarily go to our website and check this information. So it's also a method of communication of how these chapters could explain better how the impact is growing and how it's reaching communities, as we speak, I think.

O

We have a plan on that: okay,.

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Catch phrase up warrants: okay,.

B

Good I'm not sure if we have solved a new dam. Okay, any any more questions. I don't see. I was checking all the channels I'm following okay good, but then we can follow up I guess with the action plan right, angry, okay, so Reena you'd write that as well. Yes,.

O

Okay chart please yeah I.

B

Mean we'll do that right here.

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We go. Are you able to see this chart? Yes,.

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O

Good, so this chart is very similar to the one that we present it to you last year, but it has been adjusted. So this represents the flow of how we actually produce the annual action plan, and this particular one pertains to the 2021 action plan that we're going to produce in which you will approve in your last meeting of the year I believe it's only going to be in November. So if you look at the chart, the top layer represents the role of your senior executive team in I saw.

O

The second layer is where we are engaging community. There are two community consultation opportunity or input opportunity in April, like napal, in July the presentation of the actual document action plan in December, and we wanted to collect community feedback on the 2020 impact reporting projects in quarter, one of 2021. So we are definitely interested in community's views and how they want us to improve and to take on what Richard or suggesting what we could do. Also as part of the April consultation and input gathering is to add a question on.

O

How did you think about our impact in 2019 and how do you want us to improve and what kind of projects do you think we should be implementing wheel in the frame of Bill, promote and defend for 2021? And in that regard, we could take a look at that and see how we can enhance our effectiveness together.

O

So the third layer that you see in green, that's our finance staff, what they do to help us develop the budget for the whole organization and for the projects that we will be doing and then the blue layer, after that is for the staff that will be actually working on project proposals that will be shortlisted by the senior executive team and then, ultimately, the approved ones will go into the action plan document, and so the flow is similar as last year, except that we didn't start as early as last year.

O

Last year we started processing February because we'd never had a planning process for the action plan this year, because of all the work that we had to do to launch the projects for 2020 and also to work on the impact report. You will see that there's really no activity related to planning and reporting in q1 or 2020, so we are going to actually start doing that when the executive team and the senior executive team meet in April.

O

Do you have any questions for me on the way we're going to produce the action plan and how we are going to consult community.

B

Okay, I see it thumbs up. I I, don't see everyone.

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Come can we move in to the mosaic view.

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Yeah now I see people okay, any any reactions. I see thumbs up.

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Yeah overall, this, this looks like a good plan. I like that there's multiple rounds of going through the community I think that would be helpful. um Only thing I. The only miner did in my mind, is that there was only one like output to the board at the end, I might I like to see drops.

P

Progress reports.

O

You will yes, if you want it like.

F

No I definitely don't to put more more down but like maybe if we could get make sure we get some pointers so in the community to Koons consultations gotcha. So we can kind of keep a.

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B

Yeah and to put that comment into context, I mean what we are trying to do is is for the board to be useful in case we have some useful input, I supposed to just rubber-stamp in what you guys sent, because you know I mean like at the end of the process, would be kind of you know strange to basically not just you know, disapprove whatever has been already consulted to the community, so getting a heads up at some point. It would be good just to make sure that we are on the same page.

B

We can provide initial input and all that, so it is more about that. No, not just to produce more useless work for you, guys or or add. More steps to the process is just kind of to to provide a useful, equally possible. Okay, more questions and.

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Under Getty Center, oh yeah yeah, it is okay, Andrew, please, okay, Capano the muting self, either; okay, good! This is okay! No! No! Yes,.

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Now we can hear you.

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J

So the it's important to recognize that we believe that the board is part of the community. So when we post all of that stuff, you know we would like you to look at it too, and we want to hear from you that that that really is something that we're trying to do here, and you know we did.

J

We did this the first time last year, at the end of the year, I mean I got an earful, for instance in Montreal for some of the chapters because they said well, you know nobody consulted us and I said well, did you you know? Did you respond to these consultations and the answer was no in several cases, and- and so you know, we're gonna have to develop this as a habit within the community. That really, you know, no we're gonna, put plans out and then we're gonna say to people.

J

You know please comment on this, but if nobody comments we're just gonna move ahead because I don't know what else to do and I. Don't really think that we should stand around waiting for permission. If nobody's going to comment, we want to press ahead, but what we really do want the community and I know this is being recorded, so I'm, hoping that people in west parity will listen to it. I really do want people to to comment on these things.

J

To respond to say, if you did that one, it would be really interesting, we would be willing, we would be willing to to work on it, whereas if you did this one over here, we're just not interested, you know. We think it's important we're not interested, and we need to have a mix of those things in our plans right.

J

Some, some of the things that we have in the 2020 plan are are sort of small and narrow and and either really focused and we've had some complaints from some of the community that you know all of the stuff we're working on is just like you know, technical issues and there's nothing for the community where non-technical people to work on and I. You know, I have been pushing back on that because it seems to me to be false. You know the encryption work just a pickle one is obviously not like we're.

J

You know we're not inventing new crypto suites.

J

The purpose of that is really to you know to ensure that good policies are going on and that's really entirely a policy issue, so we're we're really trying to engage the community, but one of the things that I would like you know for you, you all to do when you have these opportunities to engage with anybody in the community is to remind them that that's one of the things we're asking for them to do is to respond to these things, and not just you know, see them as as one-way communication. We want.

J

You want the feedback, because that's how we know that we're working on the things that the community needs ya.

B

Know that's a very good question and that's why I I said heads up so in that sense, I agree with you that we don't need any special channel, but but just at least to you know send uh wait, wait you guys distribute you know the request for feedback, for example, just and something to the board. Send like a don't miss this one, because I agree that you know we we can provide. You know feedback in the same kind of you know loop as they as a community, so that that would work yeah, but.

F

Just make sure.

B

That nobody misses that, because I know that we all handle a lot of email and it's is useful together, get ahead. Okay, good I see some hands up. Okay, please thank.

M

You thank you for the report and and honest yeah I'm very impressed and and I think it's a very good document. People only wants to participate, but when the time comes they don't that's that happens everywhere, but we have a say in Spanish: I, don't know if it exists in other languages. Not so like a cellulose, you know but a service. So you don't have to behave.

M

You have to look like you'd behave, so maybe we have to insist through us through the chapters chapter leaders through other members of the community organizations, insist that they have to comment. Then it's important because everyone wants to comment, but when the time comes, it'll show up and that's a that's a waste of time of your work of the community. Also participation a possibility so I think. Maybe we can work more with chapters and tell them that their participation is important.

M

At least I myself insist and we have a check chat list and in America so every time that I can I insist, but maybe we can reinforce that part. Thank you and I commend you for all your work. Yeah Thank.

B

You Olga yeah I mean it's also true that I've talked to some people and and they want us to consult, to be transparent and everything out of principle. So even if they don't intend to comment whatever they think is the right thing to do, which I agree with, but I also agree with. What Olga said is that you know we should encourage people to to participate, because you know, if you don't participate, then complaining about the result. Is a bit ironic actually yeah exactly okay, more questions, obviously Mike here.

B

No, that was not a question any okay.

P

I don't see any.

B

More questions, Reena Leah- that was all of your presentation, or do you have something else? That's it! Okay, any any! Last question: okay, yeah, because sometimes people send me, like you, know three million messages at the same time. So it's difficult to find your your questions so to be clear, my queue is empty right now, shall we move on okay, perfect, so renal yeah thanks a lot for word for your work, I think both presentations were really great.

B

As I said, this is such a big change that it's easy to just you know feel that this was kind of you know the typical before we got all the time, but it's not. Actually. This is very different, so so we are actually kind of you know, running new code and and so far at least as I said, I'm I'm quite happy with what I'm seeing so so this is this.

O

Is really good? That's.

B

That's what I can say actually thank.

O

You very much it's the work of the staff, all staff yeah.

B

Absolutely absolutely you guys are a team okay, so this basically brings that to the end of our the public part of the meeting right.

B

So since, since everything else is gonna be an executive session, let me ask for a Oh B at this point, just to make sure that if anyone has any other business to be taken in a public part of the session, it should happen now before we close it. So any other business.

B

Okay, I see none, okay, good, thank you, so we're gonna, then close the public part of the meeting. We will basically continue in an executive session and tomorrow we will resume in the morning well or in the afternoon wherever you are in the world in executive session as well, and then please don't forget that tomorrow we will have the ice oak, Foundation Board meeting as well, and that's that's gonna. That's gonna have also public parts open to our service part.

B

So if you are interested in following that, please you know that that's the next session you want to follow. Okay, thank you very much, and now everybody please click on the on the other zoom link and see you there in a minute. Okay, bye, bye,.

N