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From YouTube: Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 166-Day 1
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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 166-Day 1
B
Thank
you
all
for
your
confidence
and
good
good
morning
again.
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
election
of
the
other
officers,
the
two
officers
being
the
treasurer
and
the
board
secretary.
As
I'll
remind
the
the
folks
on
the
board.
The
board
secretary
has
essentially
no
duties
except
service.
On
the
executive
committee,
we've
received
one
candidate
for
each
the
candidate
for
treasurer
being
laura
thompson.
Are
there
any
other
folks
who
wish
to
speak
to
speak
up
at
this
point
to
offer
to
serve
as
treasurer.
C
B
Thanks
very
much
could
I
ask
the
candidate
and
non-voting
members
of
the
board
to
step
out
for
a
moment.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
back
in
session.
The
feedback
of
the
board
to
you
laura
is
that
we
very
much
appreciate
the
service
you
have
given
to
the
board
as
treasurer
over
the
past
year
and
we're
very
happy
to
see
you
to
stand
again,
and
I
have
the
permission
of
the
board
to
make
this
appointment
by
acclimation.
So
please
signify
by
clapping.
B
B
B
Okay,
the
next
order
of
business,
which
I
I
can
reassure
everybody
who
has
been
getting
up
and
down
as
if
it
was
a
game
of
jack-in-the-box
that
they
don't
have
to
do
again,
for
this
is
to
populate
the
various
committees
and
other
liaisons
that
the
board
is
required
to
do.
That
starts
with
the
appointment
of
a
liaison
to
the
ietf
nominations
committee.
B
B
D
B
B
Thank
you
for
catching.
I
apologize.
The
next
item
of
business
is
the
appointment
of
the
committee
chairs
and
members,
so
this
is
being
presented
as
sort
of
an
omnibus
motion
where
all
of
the
committee
chairs
and
committee
members
are
listed.
I
may
ask
everybody
to
take
a
moment
and
look
through
and
see
if
there
are
any
suggestions
which
needs
to
be
adopted
or
any
changes.
People
wish
to
make
to
the
list
of
committee
memberships
or
chairs
which
they
hold
or
which
they
believe
need.
Adjustment
of
any
kind.
F
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
The
next
item
of
business
is
to
welcome
two
new
chapters.
The
proposed
resolution
here
being
resolved
at
the
eyesight
board
of
truthese
warmly
welcomes
the
interplanetary
chapter
of
the
internet
society
and
the
internet
society
qatar
chapter
we've
also
been
notified
that
the
us
colorado
chapter,
the
u.s
philadelphia
chapter
and
the
neval
chapter-
have
recently
been
de-chartered
after
unsuccessful
rejuvenation
attempts,
and
I
am
sure
we
extend
our
best
wishes
to
members
in
those
territories
for
their
ability
to
reorganize
at
some
later
date.
B
B
Are
you
aware
of
the
previous
interplanetary
sig?
Okay,
so
it
dates
back
almost
20
years.
It
was
founded
by
vint
cerf
and
a
number
of
his
colleagues
from
jpl
and
other
parts
of
the
technical
community,
which
is
interested
in
extending
internet
technology
to
serve
space
flight
and
other
long-distance
applications.
They've
supported
test
systems
for
the
dtn
bundle,
protocols
and
applications
over
the
years.
B
When
the
recent
reorganization
of
activities
took
place,
they
were
not
one
of
the
special
interest
groups
which
resulted
from
from
that
reorganization
and
they
decided
to
reform
themselves
as
a
chapter
with
a
a
fairly
curious
geographic
bound.
Traditionally,
the
chapter
chapter
geographies
are
a
good
bit
smaller
than
interplanetary,
but
in
these
special
circumstances
it
worked
out
well,
and
so
they
have
organisms
organized
themselves
as
a
check.
They
were
originally
also
a
chapter
prior
to
the
creation.
B
E
C
B
Okay,
the
next
item,
the
next
item
of
business,
is
to
accept
a
summary
of
agreed
board
action
items
from
the
2021-2022
board
of
trustees,
I'll
remind
the
incoming
board
that
this
does
not
mean
that
you
necessarily
agree
them.
This
is
a
handoff
that
means
that
we
have
received
them,
and
so
there
it
is
obviously
up
to
the
ongoing
board
of
2022
2023
to
decide
to
what
extent
it
wishes
to
take
on
these
accidents.
B
But
this
is
a
a
mechanism
by
which
we
maintain
the
the
continuity
of
the
board
by
passing
this
summary
from
one
active
board
to
the
following
active
board.
So
you're
welcome
to
discuss
this
at
this
time,
but
I
remind
you
that
ascent
to
to
this
does
not
mean
that
you
accept
the
the
action
items
as
as
necessarily
the
direction
of
the
society,
but
rather
that
you
accept
that
you
have
received
them
from
the
previous
board.
B
So
the
the
current
set
listed
are
continue
to
support
the
projects
and
activities
approved
as
part
of
the
internet.
Society's
2022
action
plan
consider
implementation
of
policies
and
procedures
to
increase
board
diversity
and
improve
structures
of
consultation
among
the
lines
of
those
suggested
in
the
recent
open
forums
on
governance,
reform,
support
the
evolution
of
the
relationship
of
the
internet
society
and
the
internet
society
foundation.
As
a
supporting
organization
do
folks
have
any
questions
or
discussion.
B
B
B
B
I
B
Thanks
everybody
we're
back
in
session,
and
our
next
item
is
andrew,
who
will
be
talking
to
us
with
the
status
update
action
plan
processes
etc.
But
it's
not
me
because
I
believe
bernalillo
is
taking.
This
sally
starts
all
right,
so
sally
then
ranalia.
I
I
have
both
of
you
as
as
following
andrew.
So
it's
just
a
quicker
handoff
than
I
was
expecting,
but
we're
very
happy
to
have
you
please
go
ahead.
J
All
right
hand
it
off
okay,
good
morning
afternoon,
I
guess
morning
for
everyone.
This
is
our
action
plan.
2022
status
update
the
data
that
you'll
see
here
is
current
as
of
the
close
of
q1.
So
obviously
an
enormous
amount
of
work
has
still
been
ongoing,
and
so
we
continue
to
work
on
all
of
these
plans,
but
this
is
an
update
of
where
things
stood
as
of
q1
and
with
special
thanks
to
rinali
and
her
team.
J
We've
we've
worked
very
hard
to
set
success
measures
for
each
of
our
projects
and
initiatives
and
track
our
progress
towards
those
and
every
year
we
get
better
at
doing
that
and
we're
really
pleased
to
see
in
q1
how
much
progress
we
had
made
so
far.
So
with
that
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
we've
divided
our
projects
into
two
kind
of
groups.
The
first
set
of
projects
relates
to
growing
the
internet
around
the
world,
and
the
second
set
of
projects
is
around
making
the
internet
stronger,
so
focus.
First,
on
growing,
the
internet.
J
J
J
B
K
K
J
J
E
Yes,
but
georgia,
which
is
one
of
the
topics
temples
where,
but
they
are
very
small
networks,
just
like
the
15
users
or
in
regions
which
are
really
completely
isolated,
if
not
by
the
internet,
and
that
is
maybe
in
manaus,
in
the
amazons
or
in
the
southern
border
of
mexico
or
in
canada
yeah.
It's
amazing.
Canada
has
some
isolated,
very
isolated
places,
so
that
that
is
something
that
I
think
we
should
see
soon
the
the
result
of
that,
and
also
the
regarding
the
community
networks.
E
I
know
we
tend
to
measure
our
success
in
terms
of
how
many
networks
started
running
or
fulfill
the
objectives
of
the
project,
but
maybe
we
should
start
thinking
about
technology.
Yes,
because
many
of
these
networks
may
fall
into
use
old
technology
and
others,
maybe
top
of
the
notch
technology.
They
may
be
thinking
on
ipv6
and
six
gigahertz
band
for
their
links.
Yes,
while
others
are
using
the
remains
of
other
networks.
E
E
L
So
yeah,
just
one
question
target,
can
go
on
to
deal
with
today.
So
are
I
noticed
that
we,
you
know
number
of
cns.
That
we
built
is,
is
that
this
so
is
the
strategic
target,
the
number
of
installations?
Is
it
the
number
of
users
that
will
be
captured?
Is
it
the
captive
nature
of
the
network,
like
that?
That's
the
one
thing
that
goes
through
my
mind
is
what
is
the
strategic
goal
and
then
over
a
year
over
year?
If
I
think
about
like
what
are
like,
what
are
we
trying
to
get
to?
A
L
J
So
there's
I
think
if
we
go
so
the
unique
accessing
resources
and
content,
it's
not
just
content
for
the
sake
of
it.
It's
about
case
studies
like
what
worked
here.
How
long
did
this
take?
What
kind
of
community
was
involved
in
getting
it
together
and
then
following
up
on
that
months
and
quarters
later,
and
so
so
that's
a
little
bit
of
what's
behind
the
the
content
piece.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,.
J
You'll
see
a
real
focus
on
training
here,
so
in
in
q1
we
train
190
people,
we're
launching
two
new
courses
and
again
this
is
the
idea
that
people
can
develop
the
skills
to
to
empower
themselves
to
build
this
kind
of
connectivity.
Otherwise
it
is
it's
just
one
little
network
at
a
time
and
then
fundraising
around
community
networks.
Andrew
mentioned
this
yesterday,
we're
very
happy
to
get
the
grant
from
the
nrc
to
do
community
network
training
and
capacity
building
with
indigenous
communities
in
canada
and
the
team
through
at
the
wtdc.
J
J
E
Yes,
the
it's
very
hard
to
measure,
but
if
we
set,
let's
say
quasi
quantitative
form,
that
may
be
very
useful
to
measure
the
things
that
victor
was
addressing,
how
these
things
are
changing
in
time
and
also.
I
would
like
to
know
how
p2c
is
going
to
change
this
panorama,
because
I
understand
that
the
goal
of
itu
is
to
train
about
a
hundred
thousand
people,
yes
and
develop
more
about
ten
thousand
cns.
So
that
surely
has
to
impact
the
things
we
do
right.
J
in
doing
that,
what
we're
hoping
is
to
create
a
platform
by
which
partners
can
come
into
this
work
with
us,
and
we've
already
received
some
early
indications
of
support
for
that.
So
to
say,
this
is
where
we're
trying
to
go
at
a
large
scale.
Please
come
with
us
either
through
you
know,
financial
support
or
other
ways
of
partnering
to
to
get
to
that
result.
M
J
Yes,
that's
absolutely
a
concern
and
one
of
the
pieces
of
work
that
the
the
team
is
working
on
this
year
and
actually
had
started
last
year
was
looking
at
what
are
the
sustainability
models,
different
kinds
of
models
that
that
communities
can
use
successfully?
We
know
there's
no
one-size-fits-all,
and
so
we
try
to
be
really
careful
about
that.
But
again,
going
back
to
the
case
studies.
This
is
what's
worked.
This
is
what
hasn't
worked.
J
These
are
the
kinds
of
plans
that
need
to
be
in
place
over
the
long
run
because
you're
right,
it's
not
enough
to
just
drop
the
technology
in
there.
You
know
six
months
later,
people
have
wandered
off
and
done
something
else.
There
needs
to
be
a
sustained
commitment
and
a
model
that
they
can
work
within
to
be
successful.
At
that.
N
So
two
things
we
have
a
five-year
strategy
and
within
this
the
action
plan
is
the
primary
instrument
for
us
to
implement
that
strategy.
So
the
things
that
you
see
on
an
annual
basis,
what
we
do
is
actually
to
achieve
what
we
set
in
our
strategy
to
build,
promote
and
defend
the
internet,
and
the
first
one
was
to
extend
the
internet
to
communities
that
need
it
the
most
and
that's
where
you're,
seeing
cnns
and
next
exps
etc.
So
impact
is
very
important
in
relation
to
what
lewis
was
talking
about.
N
We
can't
just
we
need
time
to
see
the
impact
and
to
assess
it
and
then
be
able
to
capture
it
with
the
human
centered
stories
that
come
with
it,
because
that
is
what
captures
people's
attention
and
heart
and
that
will
also
motivate
some
of
them
to
also
consider
donating
to
the
cause
yeah.
So
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say.
J
So
again,
part
of
this
building
the
comm,
the
internet,
to
the
communities
that
you
know
most
the
work
that
we
do
on
fostering
sustainable
peering
infrastructure.
Our
work
on
internet
exchange
points
has
been
long-standing,
I
think,
as
many
of
you
know,
we
work
in
two
areas
to
establish
new
internet
exchange
points
and
also
to
support
existing
internet
exchange
points
and
in
both
cases
we
are
on
track.
Charles,
perhaps
to
anticipate
your
question,
I
mean
you'll
see
up
here.
J
The
work
in
georgia
and
the
canary
islands
really
carries
over
from
2021.
None
of
these
things
happen
just
quickly.
It
takes
months
and
months
of
preparation
and
community
work
in
order
for
an
ixp
to
be
deployed
and
be
successful
and
you'll
see
here
as
well
work
being
done
on
existing
ixps,
mexico,
rwanda,
angola
and
paraguay.
J
What
the
team
does
is
they
send
out
requests
with
proposals
to
the
regional
ixp
associations
to
determine
existing
ixps?
That
may
need
additional
support.
What's
the
nature
of
that
support
and
that
begins
a
dialogue
on
what
are
their
needs?
What's
the
equipment
that
might
be
needed?
What's
the
additional
support
that
the
internet
society
could
reasonably
provide
in
these
cases,.
J
Next
slide,
we
also
it's
it's
not
enough:
we're
not
just
dropping
ixps
in
around
the
world,
there's
a
there's,
an
actual
vision
for
interconnection
and
traffic
exchange
across
the
globe,
and
we
know
that
we
have
partners
all
around
the
world
that
help
make
this
happen.
So
working
with
ixp
development
organizations
to
support
internet
exchange
points
around
the
world,
we
have
partnerships
with
apix,
ap
net
ap,
nick
foundation,
euro
ix,
etc,
so
that
we
can
work
together
to
really
build
a
community
that
supports
these
ixps
as
they
develop
and
grow.
J
These
are
conversations
that
are
ongoing
and
again,
if
we
can
do
this
as
a
community,
we
can
have
a
much
bigger
impact
and
that's
that's
the
thinking
here
next
slide
on
part
of
the
work.
This
is
a
separate
project,
but
certainly
highly
related
to
our
work
on
internet
exchange
points
is
our
ongoing
support
for
technical
communities.
J
We
know
that
technical
communities,
whether
they
be
network
operator
groups
or
enrons
or
other
technical
organizations
in
the
local
community,
are
the
places
that
that
keep
communities
online.
That's
where
collaboration
happens,
that's
where
training
happens,
and
so
we
continue
to
support
the
technical
communities
around
the
world
through
training,
the
network
operations
and
local
area
networks.
J
Courses
are
very
popular
and
well
attended,
and
we
continue
to
try
to
bring
people
into
those
courses
as
needed
and
then
supporting
new
technical
communities
in
q1
we
focused
on
identifying
where
those
might
be
where
the
needs
might
be
the
greatest
and
over
the
remainder
of
the
year,
we'll
be
looking
to
to
build
and
support
additional
local
communities,
as
as
the
needs
are
expressed
next
slide
measuring
the
internet.
This
is
the
work
we
do
to
try
to
present
to
the
world
a
perspective
on
the
on
the
health
of
the
internet.
J
We
actually
had
a
general
goal
going
into
2021
to
improve
the
visibility
of
this
tool
to
spend
a
lot
more
time
and
effort
on
taking
it
to
the
next
level
and
really
making
it
a
place
that
people
could
find
accurate
information
about
the
internet
as
it
turns
out.
The
first
quarter
of
the
year
gave
us
presented
a
need,
obviously
in
the
world,
for
this
kind
of
information,
and
you
see
that
there
was
a
lot
of
effort
on
you
know.
J
L
Quick
question
that,
and
you
kind
of
kind
of
answer
the
end
there
by
saying
that
there
was
events
that
kind
of
helped
is
one
of
when,
when
targets
are
created,
how
sensitive
like
the
forecasting
models
we
use
to
say
what
does
success?
Look
like.
I
just
noticed,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
variability
between
the
achievements
and
that's
probably
okay,
but
like
is
that
forecasting
model
based
on
some
kind
of
objective
way
of
figuring
out.
L
We
can
go
up
by
this
percentage
or
we
can
get
this
number
of
things,
and
I
understand
this
because
this
is
really
hard
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
trying
not
to
be.
You
know
overly.
I
don't
forget
the
word
I'm
supposed
to
use
there,
but
anyway
the
point
you
get
where
I'm
going
yet
like
how
do
we
figure
out
was
the
target
good?
Was
it
just
our
ability
to
get
an
achievement?
L
A
Not
to
put
too
fine
a
point
on
it.
The
internet
society
has
not
always
been
super
good
at
this
and
over
the
last
few
years
I
think
things
have
become
quite
a
bit
more
disciplined
about
this.
So
when
I
was
first
being
interviewed
by
the
board,
there
was
this
question
that
was
put
to
me
about
you
know.
A
You'll
have
to
go
back
to
the
recording,
because
I'm
not-
I
don't,
have
the
presentation
here
handy,
but
last
year
we
had
some
things
where
we
reported.
You
know
exceeding
goals
by
like
150.
In
some
cases,
it's
like
okay,
well
great.
You
made
an
estimate.
You
really
exceeded
it.
That
means
that
the
next
time
your
estimate
needs
to
get
tighter,
and
so
you
know
I
think,
we've
been
seeing
that,
but
I'm
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
that
work
is
done.
A
But
when
we're,
when
we're
doing
it,
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
internal
discussion
about
okay.
How
does
this
thing
advance
the
the
story
of
the
five-year
targets
right?
So
you
know
how
does
this
show
that
we
and
and
we'll
be
talking
about
that
tomorrow?
I
think
it
is
about
how
we
develop
that
and
so
on.
So
I,
I
think,
maybe
there'll
be
more
information
forthcoming
on
that
particular
topic
of
how
that
develops.
That
will
be
more
satisfying
to
you.
L
E
Sorry
before
you
go
ahead,
the
regarding
the
the
results
from
polls
do
we
have
some
traffic
measures,
how
people
are
going
into
make
use
of
that
information,
or
we
are
just
broadcasting
information
and
we
have
no
feedback
from
that,
because
I
have
read
some
not
reports
but
the
maybe
blog
posts
when
they
where
they
make
use
of
the
pulse
information
as
a
reference.
So
I
may
understand
that
is
being
very
useful,
especially
when
the
ukrainian
russia
conflict
started.
J
Yeah,
that's
something
that
the
team
I
was
actually
looking
in
the
notes
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
They
they
want
to
dig
into
those
numbers.
They
did
a
little
bit
of
that
last
year.
You'll
see,
I
think,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
a
little
bit
of
the
media
mentioned,
so
you
see
where
pulse
is
being
referenced
and
they
would
like
to
see
those
numbers
I
think
be
much
higher.
They
would
like
more
aggressive
use
of
that
of
the
tool
going
forward.
J
N
J
J
We
signed
a
mou
with
the
university
of
west
indies
on
internet
resilience
in
order
again
to
take
the
african
internet
resiliency
work
and
and
work
on
it
on
a
global
scale,
so
that
the
team
feels
good
that
we
are
on
track
for
this
one
next
slide
and
can
I
do
a
time
check
tag,
because
I
know
okay,
how
much
keep
just
keep
going?
Okay,
let's
keep
going
until
someone
tells
me
to
stop
understanding
low
earth
orbit
satellites.
J
This
work
here
was
really
to
in
2022
to
develop
a
position
of
the
internet
society
on
this
understand
the
relevance
for
our
work
to
grow
the
internet.
This
is
an
emerging
topic
in
internet
access,
and
so
this
is
a
relatively
small
project,
as
I
think
many
of
you
know,
they
released
the
draft
it's
in
the
pdp
now
in
our
policy
development
process.
J
L
Question
that
quickly
is
this
was
one
of
the
discussions
we
had
on
the
email
list
recently.
What
are
the
expectations
of
the
board
when,
like
so
you
know,
obviously
that
the
draft
was
there
was
very
interesting
good
read?
We
had
a
good,
lively
discussion.
What
are
the
expectations
like?
What
would
you
again
like?
What
is
the
explanation
for
us?
Did
we
just
give
ideas?
This
is
great.
Is
there
I?
I
wasn't
quite
sure
what
the
outcome
was,
what
we
were
looking
for,
there
was
so.
A
The
the
board
historically
has
wanted
to
be
consulted
on
on
pdps,
but
the
the
policy
development
process
that
we
have
that
was
adopted
before
I
started
ultimately
makes
the
the
decision
about
whether
this
whether
this
policy
has
met
the
community
threshold
and
so
on,
makes
that
a
staff
decision,
so
the
board
is,
is
welcomed
to
provide
feedback
just
like
other.
You
know,
parts
of
the
community
are,
and
the
board
traditionally
takes
an
active
interest
in
these
things.
A
Not
every
trustee,
of
course,
but
like
different
trustees,
are
more
or
less
interested
in
a
given
topic.
Different
parts
of
the
community
have
have
different
interests
in
this,
and
so
you
know
we
get.
We
get
answers
from
from
various
people.
We
certainly
appreciate
the
feedback
and
and
the
staff
have
allocated
the
time,
but
if
what
you're
asking
is
like
you
know,
do
you
have
to
do
a
in-depth
review
for
every?
Like?
Are
you
sort
of
the
equivalent
of
an
a.d
for
internet
society?
Pdps?
B
And
and
I'll
point
out
that
it's
sometimes
hard
to
keep
your
hats
straight
in
this
right.
Many
of
us
have
technical
interests
or-
or
you
know,
policy
interests
around
some
of
what's
going
on
here
and
we
may
provide
feedback
on
that
basis.
It
if
it
comes
to
the
point
where
you
really
feel
the
board
has
to
get
involved,
because
this
is
heading
in
a
strategically
wrong
direction,
and
I
haven't
seen
that
myself
in
the
in
in
the
past
two
years,
then
that
would
be
a
conversation
that
you
need.
B
You
need
to
raise
on
the
board,
but
most
of
this
is
just
a
way
of
giving
staff
feedback
on
the
progress
of
these,
and
it
doesn't
require
board
action
and,
as
a
result
of
it
not
requiring
board
action,
you
can
think
of
it.
As
as,
as
andrew
put
it
us
behaving
like
a
part
of
the
community,
a
specific
part
of
the
community
that
happens
to
have
a
a
kind
of
a
10
000
foot
view
of
what's
going
on,
make
sense.
L
Yeah,
that
makes
sense.
I
was
just
asking
this.
You
know
in
that
particular
set.
I
felt
like
I
was
getting
to
the
weeds
and
like
wait
a
minute.
Is
this
the
right
place
for
me
to
spend
my
time
on
board
activities?
Is
it's
fun
but
or
it's
interesting,
but
it
may
not
be
where,
if
I
have
x
number
of
hours
to
spend
on
board
activities,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
Where
should
I
be
spending
my
time?
Okay,.
B
L
J
J
You'll
know
and
bernalillo
may
go
over
this
with
the
strategic
objectives,
but
one
of
the
objectives
we
have
is
that
the
internet
model
is
the
preferred
model
around
the
world,
and
this
project
was
set
up
to
sort
of
develop
a
tool
to
help
understand
whether
policies
are
the
policies
that
are
being
proposed
or
considered
are
aligned
with
the
internet
model.
And
what
does
that
mean?
And
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
done
in
this
project?
J
This
project
wraps
up
in
q2,
and
so
it
will
complete
its
work
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
That
does
not
mean
that
our
commitment
to
this
work
stops
rather
that
it
is
our
goal,
is
that
this
becomes
infused
throughout
the
internet
society
and
becomes
part
of
our
general
advocacy
strategy
going
forward
in
order
to
to
wrap
up
its
work.
One
of
the
the
key
pieces
that
the
the
team
needed
to
do
was
train
internal
analysts,
so
staffs
staff
members
who
could
do
the
internet
impact
assessments
on
different
policies.
J
That
target
was
15
as
of
q1
that
hadn't
completed,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
in
q2
to
to
bring
that
along.
So
we're
confident
that
that
that
is
going
to
be
done.
Number
of
new
training
courses
again
this.
The
idea
is
that
we
want
to
empower
not
just
staff
but
the
community
itself
to
be
able
to
use
this
tool
and
to
do
that
and
the
training
will
enable
that
and
those
will
be
ready
to
be
launched
in
the
coming
weeks.
J
J
So
it's
not
just
issuing
a
report
and
then
hoping
everybody
just
absorbs
it,
but
that
there's
a
methodology
for
how
you
use
that
impact
brief
to
do
appropriate,
advocacy
and
obviously
that's
different
in
different
markets,
and
you
know,
there's
sensitivities
in
different
places
that
are
present
and
and
not
in
others.
But
how
can
we
use
that
to
to
get
people
really
thinking
about
when
you're
developing
a
policy
related
to
the
internet?
What
is
the
impact
on
the
internet
and
and
and
get
people
thinking
in
that
in
that
mindset
next
slide.
J
Okay,
sorry
here
we
go,
the
next
project
in
our
strong
portfolio
is
related
to
manners.
This
is
our
routing
security
work.
That's
been
ongoing
for
a
number
of
years.
One
of
the
the
big
success
measures-
and
I
think
the
board
has
discussed
this
before-
is
the
transition
for
for
the
manners
community
to
a
501
c
6
or
the
equivalent.
J
I'm
not
going
to
spend
too
much
time
on
that
here,
but
to
tell
you
that
management
is
expected
to
get
a
legal
summary
from
the
team
very
soon,
and
then
we
would
expect
to
be
coming
to
the
board
to
discuss
this
with
you.
Probably
at
the
after.
The
end
of
this
month
is
what
is
what
our
plan
is.
I
think
alone
is
that
sun.
That
sounds
correct.
Victor.
Do
you
have
a
question.
L
K
Yes,
I'm
actually
also
very
interested
in
how
to
you
know
the
all
the
way
from
your
presentation
about
coming
the
cns
all
the
way
through
to
you
know
this
slide
how
to
impact
you
know
think
about
how
what
the
strategy
would
be
to
increase
the
policy
impact
of
of
the
you
know.
All
these
work
great
work,
that's
being
done,
you
know
media
media
part
of
it.
Maybe
the
media
may
be
part
of
it.
K
You
know
you,
you
get
people
thinking
about
the
isoc
when
they
think
about
these
issues,
also
how
to
work
with
other
in
the
community
that
are
more
in
the
area
of
pushing
policies
in
different
countries
and
continents
and
so
on
how
to
work
more
closely
with
them,
using
iso
as
a
more
technical
oriented
entity
with
credibility
that
they
could
rely
on.
You
know
they
can
to
go
ahead
and
talk
about
more
of
the
policy
or
even
political
stuff,
but
you
know
for
isil.
K
We
can
give
them
the
technical
credibility,
and
so
on
you
know
I
I
I
would
be.
I
would
think
that
that
is
something
that
we
should
try
to
put
some
effort
into
developing
some
stronger
partnership
with
you
know,
people
or
organization
in
that
community
to
to
work
together
and
and
really
in
terms
of
the
target.
You
know
start
to
think
about
how
to
how
to
relate
it,
to
changing
or
improving
policies.
J
So
this
is
sort
of
music
to
my
ears.
This
is
my
background
on
policy.
I
completely
agree
with
you
and
what
we
find
is
yes.
Isaac
brings
that
technical
reputation.
We
understand
how
the
internet
works.
We
are
not
political,
we
are
not
taking
any
company's
position,
and
so
people
can
rely
on
that
as
as
a
solid
input
to
the
policy
process
having
the
local
partners
on
the
ground.
J
Sometimes
that's
the
chapter
who
can
rely
on
us
to
help
with
the
technical
background
that
we
might
be
able
to
provide,
and
they
have
the
contacts
to
take
that
locally,
and
that
is
really
impactful
and
we've
seen
that
I
think
in
belgium
we
see
it
in
brazil,
I
mean
there's
many
markets
where
this
has
worked
extremely
well
and
you'll
really
see
that
in
the
encryption
project
because
part
of
the
recognition
there
is
that
it.
This
is
a
big
threat.
There
is
a
threat
around
the
world
to
end
end
encryption.
J
The
internet
society
by
itself
cannot
prevent
that
from
happening.
What
we
can
do
through
a
coalition
is
work
with
partners
who
are
well
placed,
as
you
said,
sometimes
to
do
the
advocacy
directly.
Sometimes,
to
rely
on
us
sometimes
to
come
together,
so
I
mean
what
you're
saying
is:
is
absolutely
correct.
It's
not
enough
to
just
issue
a
report.
You
have
to
be
able
to
do
something
with
it
and
walk
it
all
the
way
out
to
impact
mohammed.
G
G
J
H
G
G
Okay,
second,
it's
just
a
comment
and
it
does
not
read
any
response
at
this
time,
but
with
regards
to
internet
disruptions
in
many
of
the
areas
as
internet
society
impact
assessment
toolkit
it
it
mentions
and
it
counts,
it
would
be
prudent
to
see
the
impact
that
it
has
on
communities
and
in
in
those
areas.
If
I
give
one
example
would
be
the
people
with
disabilities
in
certain
areas,
for
instance,
if
there
was
a
an
internet
disruption
in
xyz
or
some
area,
people
with
disability
would
sometimes
have
the
only
communication
channel.
G
G
Internet
sometimes
is
the
only
communication
tool
that
they
use
to
communicate
with
their
family
friends
as
well
as
in
the
community.
So
when
this
tool
is
taken
from
the
people,
it
disrupts
their
lives,
sometimes
even
more
than
people
without
disabilities.
So
my
feedback
would
be
that
if
impact
assessment
includes
stories
rather
from
from
these
areas,
this
may
carry
more
impact
and
it
may
it
may
include
more
value
to
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
Okay,
I
mentioned
this
already,
but
this
is
the
work
that
we
do
on
extending
encryption,
and
you
know,
charles,
I
think,
to
your
point
at
iso-
can't
do
it
alone.
The
encryption
coalition
is
something
I
think
we're
particularly
proud
of
in
growing
the
number
of
organizations
that
are
both
committed
willing
to
put
resources,
time
and
local
expertise
into
into
the
cause
of
defending
encryption
around
the
world.
We
had
a
target
of
400
new
coalition
members.
J
The
q1
actuals
are
275,
so
we're
well
on
our
way
to
achieving
that
and
the
added
19
in
q1,
and
I
think
it's
important
the
note
here.
56
of
these
organizations
are
in
the
global
south
and
really
focusing
in
q2
on
looking
at
specific
segments
that
are
particularly
at
risk
when
encryption
is,
is
threatened
or
undermined,
and
so
working
with
those
kinds
of
communities,
lgbtq
or
domestic
violence,
survivors,
women,
etc.
J
So
those
the
coalition
actually
has
a
lot
of
dialogue
together
where
they
track
the
threats
and
then
mobilize
together
for
action.
So
if
the
threat
is
particularly
local,
a
local
community
can
then
depend
on
this
global
coalition
to
help
them
develop,
whether
it's
talking
points
or
a
strategy
or
bring
partners
together
or
organize
an
event
I
mean
there's.
J
It
means
that
you're
not
alone,
as
a
small
community
organizer
in
a
country
that
you
actually
have
a
global
community
around
you
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
organizing
that's
done
together
and
comparing
notes
reusing,
I
mean
some
talking
points,
never
fail
and
are
you
know
applicable
across
multiple
markets,
and
so
that's
what
they
do
together
is
to
try
to
pull
their
resources.
Essentially.
P
J
I
think
that,
if
the
board
wants
to
help,
we
will
always
welcome
it.
I
would
be
happy
to
facilitate
conversations
with
any
board
members
that
want
to
to
speak
to
the
team
working
on
this
growing.
That
coalition
refining,
the
message
really
is,
is
critical.
I
think
that
was
something
that
we
said
at
the
early
outset
of
this,
that
the
message
on
the
other
side
can
be
very
impactful,
sometimes
and
pull
at
the
heartstrings,
so
to
speak
and
really
getting
the
message
getting
a
global
community
together.
K
Well,
I'm
on
the
mailing
list,
so
I
see
all
the
messages
all
the
time
some
good
work
going
on
there
about.
You
know
certain.
For
example,
like
you
mentioned
some
local
law,
or
you
know
issues,
and
then
you
get
you
give
them
the
feeling
that
there's
a
whole
global
community
behind
them
and
if
they
want
to
get
a
together
statement,
you
got
people
from
all
around
the
world,
supporting
them
and
so
on.
Now.
K
My
question
is:
how
much
are
we
trying
to
also
engage
our
own
chapters
to
do
this,
because
some
of
the
chapters
may
not
have
so
much
of
a
focus
on
these
policies
before,
but
they
might
have
a
very
good
understanding
about
what's
really
going
on
locally
or
maybe
the
other
way
around,
if
they
are
not
just
contributing
to
some
of
the
messages,
they
will
be
very
helpful
in
getting
the
messages
out
to
the
local
communities
as
well.
So
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
all
these
engagement
numbers
and
so
on.
K
J
If
you
look
at
the
work
more
recently
and
the
uk
online
harms
act,
the
the
uk
chapter
has
been
at
the
forefront
of
that.
I
think
that's
true
in
germany
and
true
in
belgium
and
around
the
world
and
where,
as
you
say,
where
they
may
not
have
the
the
skill
sets
or
the
interest
yet
and
they're
they're
learning
about
this,
then
that's
where
the
training
comes
in
and
there's
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
joyce's
team
to
offer
training
and
talking
points
whatever
we
can
do,
because
fundamentally
you're
you're
right.
J
N
J
Next
slide,
we're
almost
done
fine,
let's
see.
So
these
are
the
number
of
advocacy
activities
again
charles
to
your
point,
organized
by
the
the
coalition
and
or
the
iso
community.
This
is
a
whole
range
of
things.
You
know
speaking
at
events
signing
letters
reaching
out
and
they
count
that
they
literally
count
the
instances
of
advocacy
so
and-
and
we
have
to
for
some
of
the
reasons
that
alona
explained
yesterday,
because
this
is
policy
making
right
policy
making
is
happening
here
so
around
the
world.
J
So
we
have
to
track
this
quite
carefully
and
you'll
see
some
of
the
just
in
q1
the
work
that
the
group
had
done
already
and
then
this
last
one
is
is
going
to
be
is
is
hard.
The
number
is
small
number.
The
number
is
two.
The
number
of
global
government
entities
that
make
statements
in
support
of
end-to-end
encryption.
That's
not
easy
to
get
governments
to
say
that
in
their
out
loud
voice.
J
K
O
O
A
A
A
I
I'm
not
sure
that
we
want
to
announce
in
an
open
meeting
right
now
exactly
what
the
date
is,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
that
there's
a
plan
for
how
that's
going
to
be
announced
and
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
not
in
an
open
meeting
by
accident.
So
I
mean
I
think
we
can
get
to
the
date
when
we
have
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
going
to
come
back
in
this
session
and
say
this
is
what
the
date
is.
E
Yeah,
just
the
I
think,
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
bring
other
audiences
or
their
communities
into
the
iso
at
large
community,
especially
children
and
young
people,
who
get
a
lot
of
concerns
about
encryption
and
the,
although
it's
not
the
main
technical
focus.
But
it's
a
very
important
social
issue
that
everybody
is
aware
about.
Encryption
thanks.
J
J
It
took
place
again
this
year
as
a
hybrid
event
and
was
highly
successful
again.
This
year
I
will
say
the
data
as
of
this
report
that
the
conference
was
in
april,
and
so
the
data
is
still
coming
in
for
this.
So
we'll
have
better
data
to
report
for
you
for
the
next
report,
but
the
fundraising
targets
were
exceeded
for
this
year
and
as
a
hybrid
event,
it
was
extremely
well
attended
and
and
met
our
expectations
again
waiting
for
the
data
to
come
in.
N
J
That's
terrible,
I'm
so
sorry,
digital
sovereignty
is
a
project
that
just
began
in
q2.
This
is
another
smaller
project
on
an
arguably
very
big
topic
of
digital
sovereignty.
This
is
an
issue
that
is
all
over
the
world
and
nobody
can
quite
agree
on
what
they
think
it
means,
but
people
are
using
it
in
lots
of
different
ways
and
many
of
which
not
particularly
helpful.
J
J
It's
not
just
to
do
this
in
isolation
with
staff.
There's
a
lot
of
conversations
they've
had
some
excellent
discussions
with
org
members,
some
chapter
events
and
a
lot
of
conversation
going
on,
because
this
is
a
term
that's
out
there
and
probably
even
more
present
in
our
world
now
than
even
when
we
had
planned
this
project.
So
this
work
has
just
started,
which
is
why
we
don't
have
any
data
to
report
here
because
it
began
in
q2.
N
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
cover
what
we
call
initiatives
in
the
action
plan.
Empowering
people
to
take
action
is
the
theme
how
I
would
define
initiatives
is
basically
the
things
that
we
do
to
grow
internet
champions
around
the
world,
more
of
them
essentially
and
to
empower
and
enable
them
so
that
they
are
more
effective
in
what
they
do
either
by
themselves
with
each
other
or
in
collaboration
with
staff.
In
terms
of
the
efforts
that
we
initiate
through
the
organization.
N
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
the
this
initiative
is
about
training
that
we
provide
for
chapters
every
year
when
we
launch
the
five-year
strategy.
One
of
the
concerns
raised
by
our
community
is
that
many
of
the
projects
are
extremely
technical,
and
so
what
we
did
to
support
our
community
is
to
basically
launch
a
training
program.
What
we
call
fundamentals,
because
it's
essentially
fundamental
information
about
the
projects
why
it
exists.
N
What
problem
does
it
address
and
what
we
can
do
as
a
community
and,
as
I
saw
to
address
them,
and
so
we've
been
doing
the
training
for
a
couple
of
years,
and
so
the
target
for
this
year
is
to
provide
the
training
to
500
chapter
members.
The
training
is
yet
to
take
place
in
q2
and
q3
and
in
terms
of
the
percent
of
fundamentals,
training
participants
that
implement
an
activity
locally.
N
In
addition
to
the
five
six,
there
are
three
standing
groups
as
they
call
it
because
they
have
no
time
limitation.
The
others
are
rotated
out
every
two
years
based
on
voting
off
topics
and
the
standing
groups
are
the
ones
on
accessibility,
youth
and
gender.
So
these
are
the
six
and
our
targets
for
the
six.
This
year
is
the
number
of
six
that
have
implemented
more
than
70
percent
of
work
plan
deliverables
by
end
of
year,
five
and
it's
in
progress
and
also
a
net
promoter
score
for
the
six
themselves,
and
the
target
is
50.
N
now
in
terms
of
is
50,
good
or
bad
in
terms
of
net
promoter.
The
scale
is
between
minus
100
to
100..
Zero
is
considered
to
be
good.
Good
above
zero
is
considered
to
be
good
above
20
is
considered
to
be
very
good,
so
50
is
generally
excellent
to
get
okay
next,
please
mobilizing
individual
members.
You
may
know
that
we
have
more
than
89
000
individual
members
around
the
the
world.
N
However,
it
is
dependent
on
us
having
our
new
association
management
system
online
within
the
year,
and
I
think
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
achieve
this
target
based
on
progress
on
ams
replacement
in
terms
of
global
newsletter
open
rate,
the
non-for-profit
open
rate
average
is
between
20
to
25.
Our
target
is
to
achieve
26
at
the
moment.
At
the
end
of
q1,
we've
achieved
31
percent
in
terms
of
tailored
newsletter
open
rate.
N
The
target
is
28,
we've
achieved
60
with
the
newsletters
focused
on
digital
sovereignty
and
one
other,
which
I
can't
remember,
moving
on
empowering
internet
advocates.
This
is
about
our
fellowship
program
and
also
the
alumni
program
which
we
are
developing
this
year.
We
have
five
fellowship
programs.
They
are
early
career,
fellowships
program,
mid-career,
fellowships
igf
youth
ambassadors
manners
fellows,
which
is
tied
to
the
projects
and
the
ietf
policy
fellowship
program.
So
our
target
for
a
number
total
number
of
fellowship
program
participants
for
this
year
is
90.
N
Q1
actuals
is
15
out
of
the
normal
five
that
we
do.
We
decided
not
to
pursue
the
ietf
policy
fellows
this
year,
primarily
because
we've
been
doing
them
in
remote
mode.
In
the
past
two
years-
and
we
have
not
been
successful
in
getting
good
participation
and
we
think
that
when
we
can
get
to
full
face-to-face
opportunity
for
doing
this
program,
then
we
can
bring
it
back
online.
B
Can
I
ask
you
a
quick
question
about
that
sure
how
much
of
the
difficulty
with
the
restarting
it
as
in
person
do
you
do,
you
think,
is
the
structures
of
the
places
you
need
to
send
them
like
igf
or
the
ietf,
and
how
much
is
the
kind
of
origin,
country,
restrictions,
etc?
Clearly,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
the
world
where
you
know
leaving
and
coming
back
still
has
fairly
onerous
quarantine
restrictions.
B
So
the
number
of
people
you
could
pull
from
many
of
those
countries
is
is
relatively
small,
because
the
cost
of
attending
something
external
would
be.
You
know,
15
to
20
days
of
of
isolation
yeah.
How
are
you
tracking
that
part
of
it
and
in
the
hope
that
we
can
restore
this
next
year?
Is
there
a
particular
measure
you're
looking
for
for
what
kind
of
epidemiological
situation
we
would
require?
I
mean
sorry
to
put
it
in
in
fairly
clinical
terms,
but
do
is
there
something
we
can
currently
track
there
or
is
it?
A
The
the
big,
the
big
thing
we
did
discover
with
with
this
program
was
that
you
know
we
tried
to
do
it
in
virtual
mode
and
the
reality
is.
None
of
those
people
can
be
in
virtual
mode
and
pay
attention
to
this,
because
what
ends
up
happening
is
they've,
got
their
day
job
and
and
the
only
way
to
get
them
out
of
that
and
get
them
paying
attention
to.
A
This
is
literally
to
pick
them
up
and
move
them,
and
without
doing
that,
you
you
just
can't
so
until
until
we
get
to
the
place
where
some
of
these
the
exact
problems
that
you're
talking
about
get
to
a
predictable
level,
not
so
much
a
a
a
like
a
particular
level,
but
really
become
predictable.
As
to
you
know,
when
a
meeting's,
whether
meaning
is
going
to
run
whether
it's
going
to
be
face
to
face,
and
so
on,
I
don't
like
I'm
very
skeptical,
that's
going
to
restart
next
year.
I
just
don't.
A
I
don't
think
that
it's
very
likely,
because
I
don't
believe
that.
I
don't
believe
that
governments
of
the
world
are
doing
good,
epidemiological
work
on
this.
Instead,
we've
just
decided
to
you
know
not
know,
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
going
to
create
continued
uncertainty
in
how
the
meetings
run
and
so
on.
B
Okay
and-
and
I
I
think
I
agree
with
your
analysis-
if
we
need
a
year's
lead
time,
then
we
would
have
to
say
do
we
know
now
with
certainty
that
the
summer
meeting
of
a
particular
organization
will
be
in
person
or
not
and
we'd
be
running
the
odds
at
this
point
and
asking
people
with
this
career
at
this
career
level
to
run
the
odds
with
us
is
probably
not
not
effective.
So
thanks
for
the
clarification.
O
N
Okay,
I'm
going
to
continue.
We
also
want
to
achieve
a
baseline
for
the
alumni
participation
rate.
The
alumni
program
is
a
new
one.
A
proposal
is
being
developed.
It
looks
pretty
good
the
last
time
I
looked
at
it
and
when
it's
ready,
if
the
board
is
interested,
I
can
share
it
with
the
board,
because
I
think
it's
it's
an
important
program.
N
It
draws
on
the
pool
of
people
that
have
gone
through
our
training
program,
so
they
are
essentially
our
internet
champions
and
we
need
to
nurture
them
more
so
that
when
they
go
out
into
the
world
they
have
the
support
and
resources
to
be
effective,
because
that
helps
our
cause
next
slide.
Please,
yes,.
E
N
We
have
data
from
2017
onwards
before
that
I
don't
think
we
can
vouch
for
it.
But
yes,
we
have
okay,
okay,
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
about
mousse
with
partner
organizations,
and
we
are
constantly
trying
to
expand
our
pool
of
partners
because
they
bring
more
resources
to
what
we
can
do
on
the
ground,
especially
on
projects.
So
the
target
for
this
year
is
to
get
25
new
partners.
N
We
already
have
77
existing
mou
partners
and
we
just
want
to
add
new
ones
and
q1
actuals
is
we've
gotten
five
off
the
target
next
slide,
please!
This
is
about
fundraising,
so
we
have
a
target
for
grants.
Fundraising
the
target
for
this
year
is
six
hundred
thousand
two
hundred,
and
thirty
thousand
of
that
is
earmarked
for
empowerment
activities.
That
means
training
and
e-learning,
as
well
as
the
fellowship
and
alumni
program
and
for
q1
actuals.
The
funding
achieved
for
this
is
slightly
above
15
000
for
sponsorship.
N
N
and
in
terms
of
number
of
sources
of
funding,
we're
always
trying
to
expand
this,
which
is
why
we
track
it.
The
target
for
this
year
is
16
and
the
q1
actually
is
7.,
and
I
think
that,
as
of
now,
the
the
revenue
figure
for
grants
and
sponsorships
have
exceeded
this
quite
significantly.
I
think
for
revenue,
it's
slightly
over
a
million,
but
I'd
like
say
to
step
in
and
just
tell
us
what
the
figures
actually
are.
R
So
the
target
or
the
figures
that
the
fundraising
team
had
raised
or
committed
is
over
1
million.
But
when
I
do
the
presentation
on
the
financial
reports
you're
not
going
to
see
the
quite
the
big
figure
just
because
a
lot
of
these
grants
are
coming
in
as
restricted
grants
and
it
becomes
unrestricted
as
we
work
on
these
projects
or
the
grants.
N
This
is
about
our
training
and
e-learning
program
for
this
year
we
are
going
to
or
we
are
in
the
process
of
rolling
out
14
courses,
and
these
courses
basically
are
in
three
categories.
They
are
either
oriented
towards
advocacy,
training,
policy,
training
or
technical
training.
An
example
of
technical
training
is
network
operations,
for
example
an
example
of
advocacy
skills.
Training
are
those
related
to
the
internet,
way
of
networking
and
learning
how
to
develop.
Those
impact
briefs.
Internet
assessment
impact
briefs,
and
essentially
these
are
the
the
targets
we
are
trying
to
achieve.
N
10
000
people
to
enroll
in
our
courses
this
year
for
q1
actually
is
2000.
The
last
time
I
talked
to
the
team.
I
think
we
may
be
up
to
six
to
eight
thousand
already
as
of
now,
so
we
are
confident
that
we
may
be
able
to
reach
this
target
percent
satisfaction
expressed
towards
our
courses.
The
target
is
92
level
of
satisfaction.
Q1
actuals
is
96,
so
that's
quite
good.
N
The
baseline
for
completion
rate
established
the
target
is
to
achieve
in
establishing
the
baseline,
and
so
we
have
that
16.5
percent
established
in
last
year.
I
actually
should
put
up
what
the
target
was
for
last
year
to
know
that
I
apologize
for
that.
But
one
thing
I
want
to
say
for
e-learning
program
is
the
completion
rate
tend
to
be
low
from
our
perspective
perspective,
and
that's
because
our
courses
are
open
and
we
invite
the
world
to
basically
come
and
get
exposure
and
training
on.
You
know
what
are
the
essentials
of
the
internet.
N
N
Another
baseline
we
want
to
establish
through
this
program,
is
percent
of
people
who
have
completed
a
course
that
say
that
they
intend
to
apply
the
knowledge
and
skills
gained
on
our
courses
to
grow
and
or
strengthen
the
internet
actually
contribute
to
our
course,
so
that
baseline
has
been
achieved
and
q.
One
actual,
is
at
ninety
percent.
B
N
We
want
to
get
people
trained
so
that
they're
more
knowledgeable
about
the
internet
in
general
and
the
team
is
actually
currently
working
out
a
way
of.
What's
the
verb
sussing
out
those
who
are
serious
and
those
who
are
not
and
what
that
becomes
concrete,
it
will
be
implemented
in
the
system
itself.
G
Yes
said
in
addition
to
what
you
have
just
highlighted
about
the
people
getting
enrolled
in
the
programs
and
then
completing
it,
one
example
could
be
the
barriers
related
to
accessibility,
because
if
people
are
unable
to
access
the
content,
they
would
not
be
able
to
complete
the
course.
So
this,
I
believe,
is
a
very
good
suggestion
that
that
the
staff
and
the
people
team
working
on
the
course
modules
would
work.
N
N
Okay,
let's
move
on
strengthening
our
community
connections
and
participation,
success
measures,
development
of
an
implementation
plan
for
the
new
systems,
or
tools
that
were
selected
in
2021.
This
is
about
our
ams
replacement,
which
is
very
important
for
our
community.
For
so
for
this
success
measure,
the
target
is
to
achieve
it.
N
We
are
at
75
completion
by
the
end
of
q1,
but
I
think
that
we,
we
have
an
implementation
plan
now
and
the
team
is
trying
to
get
that
done
for
the
year,
so
the
other
success
measures
and
targets
it's
to
achieve
implementation
of
the
new
systems
and
tools,
as
applicable
according
to
the
plan
and
decommission
of
legacy
systems
and
tools,
as
applicable
according
to
the
implementation
plan
not
yet
started,
because
it's
dependent
on
the
new
plan
being
rolled
out.
Essentially,
yeah.
A
But
so
there
is
something
that
I
want
to
state
here
and
we've
previously
been
a
little
coy
about
this
in
in
open
sessions,
but
since
we're
in
an
open
session
now
I
can
state
this.
We
have
informed
member
nova
that
we're
not
going
to
continue
that
contract
and
that
is
ending
we're
replacing
it
with
fontiva.
A
That
is
a
decision.
That's
been
made.
The
contracts
are
in
place
and
this
is
this
is
rolling
ahead.
So
you
know
there
was
uncertainty
about
this
in
the
past
in
various
open
sessions.
Previously
we
hadn't,
we
hadn't
disclosed
this,
but
this
is
now
you
know,
information
that
you
don't
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
pretend
that
it's
not
happening.
It
wasn't
clear
in
the
in
the
contractual
situation
in
prior
meetings.
I'm
I'm
pleased
about
this.
N
Okay,
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
the
last
initiative
essentially,
and
it's
a
new
program
called
the
amicus
program.
The
objective
is
to
offer
expertise,
subject
matter
and
technical
expertise
to
courts,
and
that
is
to
help
shape
legal
precedent
on
influential
cases
that
affect
the
internet.
Essentially,
if
we
are
successful,
then
those
will
be
read
and
adopted
and
followed
in
other
jurisdictions
as
well,
and
that's
where
we
think
that
it
could
be
very
influential.
N
So
the
success
measure
is
number
of
important
presidential
opportunities
for
amicus
briefs
identified
by
internet
society.
Amicus
council
the
target
is
six
q1.
Actuals
has
already
exceeded
that,
with
eight
number
of
amicus
briefs
filed
at
appropriate
courts
of
law,
the
target
is
at
least
two
zero
in
q1
and
several
have
been
considered
but
discarded,
because
they're,
not
the
right
ones,
a
number
of
other
amiki
that
solicit
our
sign
on
to
their
briefs
to
reach
out
to
coordinate
briefs.
The
target
is
four:
it's
in
progress.
N
L
S
So
I
was
very
excited
that
the
board
approved
this
initiative
last
year.
So
we've
been
working
really
hard
on
setting
up
the
right
filter.
So
we
can
find
the
right
cases
because
we
can
almost
daily
respond
to
issues
that
the
courts
get
wrong
sometimes,
but
we
because
almost
everything
connects
to
internet
right
attaches
on
the
internet,
but
we're
being
very
careful
to
make
sure
that
the
cases
that
we
lend
our
expertise
in
or
to
are
the
cases
that
are
advancing
our
mission.
S
A
We
are
that
part
of
the
reason
we
made
the
election
we
did,
for
instance,
was
in
order
to
get
clarity
around
that
because
it
became
very
clear
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
governments
were
legislating
in
ways
that
were
extraordinarily
harmful
to
the
internet
and
and
contrary
to
our
to
our
mission,
and
so
we
need
to
be.
We
need
to
be
prepared
to
undertake
that,
but
we've
got
tight
limits
on
what
we
can
do
and
where
extremely
conscious
of
that
and
we're
keeping
tight
track
of
it.
S
Yeah-
and
I
would
just
add
in
courts,
sometimes
interpret
the
law
and
they
may
interpret
it
wrong,
and
so
we
have
no
limitations
on
lending
our
expertise
to
courts
and
making
sure
that
the
courts
interpret
the
law
or
at
least
understand
the
consequences
of
how
they
interpret
the
law
that
may
have
on
the
internet.
So
we
have
no
limits
on
that
and
we're
excited
to
mature
this
program.
I
think
lewis
had
a
question.
Please.
E
Yes,
rene
as
compared
to
the
previous
quarter.
If
we
want
to
summarize
the
engagement
in
a
thermometer,
how
do
you
feel
it's
steady?
Are
we
re
raising
engagement
or
it's
going
down
the?
We
know
that
through
pandemia,
we
have
passed
through
a
number
of
different
situations,
and
most
of
them
are
unexpected,
but
the
the
spirits
were
high
and
more
or
less
it
kept
like
that.
N
I
generally
see
plateau,
except
when
we
have
special
things
happening
like
splinternet
campaign
and
suddenly
that
mobilized
the
entire
community
to
come
together
and
participate
and
lead
in
their
own
local
contacts
and
countries.
So
I
have
because
I
think
that
the
challenge
of
splinternet
will
continue
for
the
rest
of
the
year
and
because
we
are
going
to
deepen
our
focus
on
responses
via
the
internet
way
of
networking
by
empowering
others
to
respond
to
it.
So
I
think
that
we
can
keep
up
the
steady
beat
but
to
see
an
increase,
a
dramatic
increase.
E
N
N
B
A
So
so
there
are
three
different
things
to
say
here:
the
first
one
is:
we
can't
actually
require
collection
of
that
data,
so
understand
that
any
data
we
have
is
voluntary
and
it's
garbage
data
as
a
result,
right
there's
like
there's,
it's
very,
very
bad
data.
We
when
we
collect
when
we
collect
gender
balance
data,
a
lot
of
people
refuse
to
tell
us
and
and
and
it
means
that
we're
extremely
blind
about
about
that
thing,
and-
and
I
like-
I
don't
believe
that,
like
any
number
is
better
than
no
number-
it's
just
false
this
this.
E
A
If
we
could
know
the
uncertainty
limits,
we
would
be
able
to
backwards
calculate
that
thing,
because
it's
a
two
value
system
right,
but
well
maybe
it's
a
four
value
system,
but
in
any
case
it's
it's
not
very
many
values.
The
the
basic
problem
that
we
have
here,
however,
is
that
it's
it's
the
the
bias
in
the
non-disclosure
disclosure
data
is
an
unknown
bias
and
it's
very
very
hard
to
analyze
that-
and
I
saw
we
do
not
have
this
the
capability
to
get
the
underlying
data.
A
We're
blind,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
we
have
some
indications,
but
I
I
don't
want
us
to
believe.
I
don't
want
us
to
be
misled
into
the
idea
that
we're
gonna
get
anything
like
the
kind
of
certainty
that
would
be
necessary
in
order
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
I
think
you're
referring
to,
because
I
you
know,
I
know
people
really
want
that
pony
but,
like
I
I
do
too,
but
I'm
sorry
ponies
are
not
on
offer.
Yeah.
E
O
H
C
A
A
number
would
be
useful.
That's
part
of
the
reason
that
I'm
I'm
so
so
anxious
about
this,
and
and
and
it's-
and
this
is
true
in
our
community-
it's
more
true
in
some
chapters
than
others
which
which,
like
you
know
so
there
are.
There-
are
regional
variations
in
this,
which
is
also
like
really
deeply
problematic,
because
you
don't
know
what
bias
that's
introducing
we
have
this
problem
also,
just
in
the
staff
I
mean
we
have
a
very
serious
problem
in
the
staff,
because
our
hr
system
required,
because
a
lot
of
governments
require
this.
A
Our
hr
system
requires
that
to
be
a
binary
value.
That
was
why
I
said
before,
and
and
and
so
we've
got
an
optional
question
for
staff
to
to
offer
us
an
additional
identification,
and
many
of
many
of
the
staff
refuse
to
do
that,
and
I
can't
I
can't
require
it.
So,
even
within
the
staff
system,
I've
got
like
really
bad
data
about
this,
and
it's.
A
This
is
something
that
troubles
me
deeply.
When
we
some
of
the
discussion
that
happened
during
the
governance
discussion,
where
people
seem
to
think
that
this
was
a
kind
of
trivial
thing
to
answer,
and
it's
just
really
hard
it's
much
worse,
I
I
agree
with
ronaldi
it's
much
worse
in
our
current
system,
which,
which
also
has
very
bad
facilities
for
tracking
a
lot
of
this
stuff
and
then
there's
one
more
thing
that
I
want
to
say,
and
that
is
in
the
case
of
the
chapter
membership.
A
We
also
don't
have
that
kind
of
information,
because
many
of
the
chapters
do
not
share
the
data
with
us,
because
remember
chapters
are
independent
organizations
and-
and
we
have
to
respect
that
so
there
are
like
it's
not
just
that.
We've
got
poor
data
in
in
various
ways.
It's
that
we've
got
poor
data
in
multiple
dimensions
and
and
that's
a
that's,
a
bad
place
to
be
making
statistical,
inferences.
E
Inferences
well
the.
What
surprises
me
is
the
itf
published
an
analysis
of
their
population
with
the
statistical
analysis
of
the
results
just
claiming
some
level
of
uncertainty.
Now
I
agree
with
you.
We
have
unreachable
data,
yes,
but
the
maybe.
If
we
go
and
ask
the
chapters
to
describe
the
demography
of
the
membership,
maybe
we
can
get
some
more
accurate
data.
A
What
I
would
say
is
once
we
have
the
tools
in
place
like
once,
for
instance,
we
have
replaced
the
ams
I
I
am
totally
prepared
to
take
that
data
as
the
baseline
and
say.
Okay,
what's
the
trend
on
this
data
and
and
not
make
you
know
not
draw
conclusions
about,
you
know
real
rates
about
the
world,
but
to
say:
okay,
this
is
where
we
started.
What
is
the
trend
in
this
data
in
the
places
where
we
are
able
to
collect
it?
A
We
can't
force
people
to
give
us
that
data
and
we
have
plenty
of
positive
evidence
that
there's
a
significant
number
of
people
who
don't
want
to
and-
and
we
don't
know
why-
and
it's
tempting
to
draw
inferences
about
about
what
those
reasons
are.
But
I
that
that
that
to
me
is
a
very,
very
dodgy
thing,
no
matter
how
how
much
you
desire
the
numbers
now.
E
The
statistics
allow
us
also
to
do
sampling
right.
Yes,
so
if
we,
I
don't
know
we're
talking
about
a
universe
of
87
000,
so
well,
let's
say:
90
000.
Yes,
so
maybe
going
into
some
statistical
acceptable
levels,
maybe
we're
going
into
a
sample
of
a
thousand
and
five
hundred,
which
can
be
achievable
even
with
the
the
data
disclosure
form.
Yes,
because
the
other
issue
is
representativeness
which
will
be
related
to
geographical
allocation.
That's
easy
because
we
have
desegregated
the
number
of
members
per
chapter
per
region
and
at
the
end
per
world.
E
B
N
N
So
the
strategy
is
centered
on
build,
promote
and
defend
the
internet,
and
our
primary
instrument
for
implementing
that
strategy
is
the
annual
action
plan
and
how
we
resource
the
action
plan
is
through
the
budget,
the
annual
budget
and
also
the
skills
of
our
staff,
all
right.
Those
three
things
are
quite
important
for
us
and
we
developed
both
the
five-year
strategy
and
the
planning
process
in
the
year
20
2019
and
we
started
using
them
for
the
year
2020.
N
N
First
is
that
this
process
evolves
every
year,
because
my
requirement
for
it
is
that
it
continuously
improves,
and
it
incorporates
lessons
learned.
So
if
there
are
things
that
we
need
to
improve
on,
you
will
see
some
adjustments,
but
generally
the
flow
heads
towards
the
same
direction.
It
ends
essentially
with
the
board
approval
or
rejection.
N
N
The
second
thing
to
note
is
that
community
input
is
gathered
every
year
on
priorities
for
the
year
that
we're
interested
in
for
the
action
plan
itself.
In
the
past
few
years,
we've
done
annual
surveys.
The
responses
rate
is
not
great,
but
we
take
it
anyway
and
we
try
to
supplement
it
by
gathering
input
when
we
have
regional
calls
when
we
have
face-to-face
opportunities
or
any
opportunity
to
connect
with
our
community.
N
And
the
final
thing
is
that
the
board
of
trustees
has
some
several
touch
points
in
this
process.
The
first
is
that,
when
the
leadership
and
management
team
decided
on
the
priorities
for
next
year's
action
plan,
you
get
informed
about
it.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
react,
and
that
comes
back
to
us
as
feedback.
The
other
point
when
you
you
get
key
information,
is
when
we've
shortlisted
the
projects
and
initiatives
for
next
year,
based
on
the
proposals
are
developed
by
staff
after
having
the
input
from
the
community.
N
Is
that
you
get
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
shortlist
and
also
a
chance
to
give
us
feedback
and
then,
finally,
when
we've
put
everything
together
with
all
the
details
and
the
resourcing
information,
it
comes
to
you
for
approval
and
also
rejection.
If
you
don't
like
it,
so
that's
essentially
the
process
as
a
whole.
If
you
see
the
different
colors,
it
basically
denotes
the
different
groups
of
people
that
are
involved
in
that
process
itself,
so
at
the
very
top
is
sorry.
I
have
to
look
at
my
screen
because
it
is
tiny.
N
Is
the
management
steering
group
which
basically
makes
the
day-to-day
decisions
decisions
that
span
6
months
to
18
months?
Essentially,
the
following
layer
is
the
future
group.
It's
a
subset
of
the
leadership
team
that
is
tasked
to
look
after
the
sustainability
and
relevance
of
isis
up.
So
it's
looking
at
the
future
of
isoc
itself
and
it
looks
at
proposals
with
that
lens.
The
third
group
is
basically
the
senior
experts.
These
are
our
technical
experts.
They
are
the
most
senior
in
the
organization.
N
We
tasked
them
to
look
at
trends
about
the
internet.
How
is
the
internet
evolving?
What
are
the
emerging
technological
trends
and
what
should
we
prioritize
based
on
the
frame
of
the
five-year
strategy
itself
and
the
next
one
is
basically
all
staff
they
can
propose
any
project
based
on
the
priority
that
we
say
we
wanted
to
achieve
our
five
year
strategy
following
that
is
the
southeast
quadrant
leaders.
These
are
the
team
leaders
that
report
to
me.
N
Essentially
they
provide
the
support
and
enabling
services
that
enable
projects
and
other
things
to
be
successful
for
isoc,
and
then
we
have
staff
submitting
proposals.
The
community
that
provide
input,
the
finance
group
under
say,
who
basically
makes
sure
that
we
develop
the
budget
that
gets
tabled
to
you
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
then,
of
course,
the
board
in
light
gray
at
the
bottom.
If
you
want
me
to
go
through
the
flow
itself
in
detail,
I
can
do
that.
B
B
So
I
I
have
to
say
that
continuing
to
manage
for
continuous
improvement
in
the
face
of
the
volatility
over
the
past
three
years
has
been
quite
challenging,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
your
efforts.
I
mean
the
number
of
unexpected
mass
events
from
the
pandemic
to
a
new
mass
refugee
event,
etc,
has
been
very
high
and
finding
ways
to
incorporate
those
understandings
as
they've
gone
through
both
on
the
foundation,
side
and
and
inside
isak
has
been
really
impressive,
but
something
where
I
start
to
think
about
what
the
systemic
version
of
that
is.
B
N
Thank
you,
that's
very
helpful
and
tomorrow,
when
andrew
presents
the
mid-term
status
of
the
five-year
strategy,
that
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
engage
on
the
substance
of
it
and
also
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
are
the
patterns
that
you
may
be
seeing
around
the
world.
That
may
require
some
adjustments
and
then,
if
that's
clear,
then
I
can
accommodate
that
in
process.
But
thank
you
for
for
their
input.
N
E
Luiz,
yes-
and
I
agree
with
you-
ted
the
it's-
a
success
being
able
to
be
stable
under
current
situation
and
keeping
this
plateau
level.
Yes,
you
cannot
grow
in
such
an
uncertainty
and
we
have
been
able
to
keep
steady,
yes,
but
the
it's
also,
this
volatility,
as
you
describe
the
chance
to
imagine
a
future
a
different
future
for
many
of
the
programs
we
have.
E
Maybe
the
fellowships
have
to
be
rethinked
also,
as
events
are
changing,
but
also
is
the
chance
to
say
well,
let's
restart
and
imagine
a
different
sort
of
fellowship
that
satisfies
either
the
needs
of
society
and
the
needs
of
participants.
Yes,
and
but
you
need
for
that,
you
need
for
that
exercise.
You
need
a
view
of
the
whole.
E
N
Ted,
I
think
what
would
be
ideal.
We
had
this
discussion
possibly
a
year
ago,
and
I
had
said
that
once
we
have
the
results
of
the
midterm
strategy,
that's
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
give
us
feedback
on
any
course,
correction
or
adjustment
that
we
need
to
have.
So
I
think
it
begins
begins
tomorrow.
But
thank
you
for
that
feedback.
Louise.
B
Thank
you,
and
we
can
certainly
make
substantive
suggestions,
for
course,
corrections
based
on
what
we're
seeing
in
the
world
right
now.
But
I
think
what
we're
also
seeing
is
the
the
rate
of
changes
is
much
higher
than
we
might
have
predicted
right
and
that's
hard
to
give
a
course
correction
around,
but
it
might
be
something
where
we
can
give
flexibility
to
staff
to
make
sure
that
they
can
course
correct
quickly
enough
to
react,
and
so
we
we
can
certainly
respond
quickly.
B
B
We
recognize
the
volunteer,
fallen
volatility
in
general
and
therefore
we're
going
to
expect
a
deviation
from
the
action
plan
relevant
to
the
volatility,
and
you
know
you
can't
throw
it
out
if,
if
the
volatility
doesn't
justify
that,
but
if
we
do
have
a
new
mass
scale
event
that
does
justify,
we
want
to
be
able
to
give
the
flexibility
to
do
the
right
thing.
For
the
mission,
without
kind
of
hewing
to
the
action
plan
that
was
made
before
the
circumstances
changed,
but
exactly
how
to
structure.
B
That
is
not
something
I
can
really
lay
out
today,
but
it
is
something
that,
as
you
think,
about
process,
and
particularly
how
you
want
to
to
think
about
it
after
this
mid-term
report,
it
might
be
useful
to
to
to
bring
to
the
board,
because
you
know
we
see
market
volatility.
We
see
geographic
volatility
in
terms
of
the
current
situation
in
ukraine
and
we
we
see
a
lot
of
other
things
that
aren't
are
not
looking
like
the
next
year
or
two
are
going
to
be
smooth
sailing
and
so.
N
B
Well,
thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
the
presentations
today.
I
think
we're
we're
ready
to
to
take
a
break
now.
It's
eight
minutes
before
the
hour,
and
we
have
our
lunch
break
from
now
until
the
top
of
the
following
hour,
which
would
be
one
o'clock
here
in
so,
and
that
is
opening
the
closed
session
yep
for
those
of
you
who
are
observing
that
will
open
in
that
session
will
be
a
closed
session
to
receive
financial
reports
there.
B
B
There
is
a
proposed
resolution
here.
The
resolution
is
to
approve
those
dates.
It
says
resolve
that
the
board
approves
the
following
dates
for
the
2022
board,
retreat
and
2023
meetings,
and
provided
that
it
is
safe
and
practical
to
meet
and
travel
in
the
following
locations
to
clarify
that
means.
We
are
firm
on
the
on
the
dates
and
the
locations
will
depend
on
conditions
as
we
get
closer
to
the
the
time
of
the
proposed
meetings
for
the
2022
retreat.
B
B
The
location
for
that
ietf
has
not
yet
been
announced
for
the
2023
annual
general
meeting
will
be
the
16th
of
8th
through
the
18th
of
june
in
washington
dc
cooley
co-located,
with
the
icann
meeting
and
for
the
2023
q4
meeting
will
be
the
11th
and
12th
in
prague
once
again,
co-located
with
the
ietf
now
ask
somebody
to
move
the
motion.
Barry
and
louise.
B
B
B
I
B
I
God
I
got
it
yeah,
then
all
right,
sorry
about
that,
there's!
So
many
so
many
things
over
my
screen
here.
All
right
thanks
everybody,
my
name
is
jason
lovinggood.
I
am
the
llc
board
chair
and
these
are
the
folks
that
serve
on
the
board
right
now.
Whoops,
I
don't
know
why
we're
going
through
slowly
back
up.
These
are
the
folks
that
currently
serve
on
the
board
and
sorry,
I'm
just
moving
some
windows
around
and
have
been
on
the
board
other
than
lars
who's
new.
I
All
right
so
next
up,
these
are
the
staff
members.
So
this
is
a
mix
of
you
know,
full-time
equivalent,
folks
and
staffers,
so
jay
daley,
greg
wood
have
been
both
around
for
a
little
while
lee
berkeley,
shaw
recent
hire
to
focus
on
development,
which
is
really
fundraising
and
casara
and
nick
focused
on
all
of
our
technical.
I
The
iasa
is
basically
the
internet,
administrative
support
activity
and
it
was
put
into
place
originally
in
in
2005,
and
so
it
went
for
quite
a
while,
and
the
community
felt
you
know,
probably
starting
around
2016,
that
we
just
needed.
It
was
in
need
of
a
revision
and-
and
that
was
something
that
was
undertaken.
The
contract
with
the
internet
society
was
in
2018,
the
rfcs
surrounding
it
followed.
I
You
know
either
in
2018
or
2019,
and
one
of
the
key
objectives
was
for
the
itf
to
achieve
significant
independence
from
the
internet
society,
and
you
know,
per
the
rfc
8712
here
operated
arm's
length,
whereas
before
there
was
a
great
intermingling
of
staff
and
folks
were
sort
of,
you
know,
wearing
both
hats
so
to
speak,
and
it
ended
up
being
not
just
confusing.
But
you
know
a
problem
for
both
organizations
in
terms
of
productivity
and
focus
and
so
on.
I
You
know,
which
is
in
part
about
differentiating
beyond
just
the
internet
society's
contributions,
and
so
that
justified
the
other
hire
that
we've
made
and,
of
course,
if
you've
not
read,
it
definitely
take
a
look
at
the
operating
agreement
that
we
have
in
place
for
the
new
members.
It's
very
short
and
easy
to
understand.
I
So
the
one
thing
that
I
I
think
we
wanted
to
cover
here
today,
especially
as
new
folks
join,
is
that
you
know
with
new
staff
joining
not
just
at
the
llc,
but
also
at
the
internet
society.
We
want
to
make
sure
and
of
course,
new
board
members.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
mutual
understanding
about
the
existing
agreements
and
the
relationship,
and
I
think
we've
had
some
concerns.
Lately.
I
We've
worked
on
some
potential
changes
to
antitrust
policies
to
match.
You
know
the
current
risk
environment
and
we've
taken.
You
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
advice
from
council,
not
just
our
regular
council
but
from
other
councils,
and
you
know
there
seemed
to
have
been
a
high
degree
of
questions
there
than
there
would
have
been
in
the
past.
Similarly,
our
ofac
compliance
policy
we've
seen
instances
of
communications
directly
from
isoc
to
some
of
our
staff
and
contractors,
which
was
unusual
and
surprised
us.
I
We
didn't
have
a
heads
up
to
some
of
those
things
and
then
you
know
I've
been
asked
about
clarifying
things
like
shared
services
for
hr
benefits
that
we
assume
would
go
on
for
some.
Some
time
and
so
on,
and
then
just
some
other.
You
know,
governance
related
issues
pertaining
to
the
board,
and
so
you
know
I
sort
of
raised
those
issues
to
say
you
know
things
have
been
going
pretty
well
lately,
but
maybe,
as
a
result
of
recent
changes
with
some
of
the
staff,
you
know,
we've
noticed
some.
I
We've
got
a
bunch
of
obligations
to
isoc
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
read
them,
and
then
you
know
if
isak
believes,
that
we're
deficient
on
any
of
those
there's
a
bunch
of
steps
that
are
laid
out,
and
you
know
also
important
to
read
and
understand.
The
key
is
that
you
know
if
there
are
substantive
disagreements
and,
let's
use
you
know,
ofac
compliance
or
antitrust
policy
or
something
like
this.
I
B
B
Thanks
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
first
of
all,
you
know
say:
obviously
the
operating
agreement
that
was
put
in
place
is
still
in
place.
Our
understanding
of
the
the
current
situation
is
that
you
know
the
itf.
Llc
is
still
expected
to
behave
with
an
independent
board
and
its
board
is
responsible
for
the
administration
of
the
ietf
and
just
like
the
itf
llc
is
arms
length
from
the
standards
process.
We
are
arms
length
from
from
the
itf
llc.
B
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is
there
are
certain
things
that
you
being
a
disregarded
entity
of
isoc
necessarily
require
us
to
coordinate
on,
and
a
great
example
of.
This
is
fundraising,
and
we
were
talking
about
this
some
time
ago
you
have
your
own
fundraiser
lee
berkeley.
I've
chatted
with
her
in
in
her
role
and
the
fundraising
you
do
has
an
impact
on
isaac.
B
Obviously,
funds
you
bring
in
count
toward
isak's
990
and
they
they
impact,
how
isak
presents
its
its
fundraising
situation,
to
to
the
irs
and
to
the
other
authorities.
So
we
do
need
some
methods
for
working
with
folks
like
lee
berkeley
to
make
sure
that
if
there
are
donations
coming
in
that
they're
structured
in
ways
that
benefit
both
the
itf
llc
and
isox,
maintaining
its
501c3
status
appropriately.
B
So
there's
there's
definitely
moments
there,
where
we
do
not
need
in
any
way
shape
or
form
to
direct
the
activities,
but
where
the
coordination
is
valuable
and
understanding.
How
you
would
like
us
to
do
that.
Coordination
is
certainly
something
that
we
can
we
can
discuss.
But
for
for
certain
topics
like
that,
one,
the
public
support
test
is,
is
something
where
we
are.
I
I
B
We
really
appreciate,
and,
and
obviously
many
of
these
are
detailed
elements
of
it
making
sure
we
agree
on
the
specifics
of
what
accounting
standards
we're
going
to
use
for
audits,
for
example.
This
is
coordination.
We
also
need
to
do
with
pir,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
if
you
would
you
know,
want
us
to
make
sure
that
questions
like
that
always
pass
through
jay,
for
example.
That's
that's,
certainly
something
that
I
I
believe
andrew
would
have
no
problem
agreeing
to.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
G
B
So
I
I
think
from
our
point
of
view.
Obviously
the
board
doesn't
get
involved
in
the
in
the
accounting
standards
beyond
the
finance
committees,
making
sure
that
the
audit
audits
are
are
well
received,
and
the
same
is
true
for
many
of
the
other
committees,
we
see
the
point
of
coordination
from
staff
to
staff
being
andrew
and
jay.
E
B
B
Okay,
well,
let
me
thank
you
again
for
the
the
presentation
and
if
there
continue
to
be
any
of
these
coordination
issues,
the
the
board
believes
that
andrew
is
the
right
touch
point
for
those
and
please
work
with
andrew
or
have
jay
work
with
andrew
on
on
those,
and
if,
if
that
has
any
issues,
please
do
raise
it
again,
but
that's
for
for
the.
I
believe
that
covers
the
issues
you
presented
here
sure
is
that
correct.
B
I
Yep,
thank
you
and
just
one
last
note.
You
know
the
ietf
has
a
meeting
coming
up
the
and
maybe
six
weeks
or
so
the
end
of
july.
It's
our
second
hybrid
meeting.
This
one
will
be
in
philadelphia
and
so
far
both
in-person
participation
and
online
participation
is
trending
very
nicely.
So
we're
expecting
another
good,
hybrid
meeting.
I
We
had
hoped
to
have
it
be
some
time
ago
it
if
I'm
remembering
correctly
as
an
asian
location,
which
has
proven
very
difficult
to
negotiate
with
and
for
a
period
of
time
during
sort
of
covet
lockdown.
They
weren't
really
doing
much
in
the
way
of
communications
with
folks
that
were
trying
to
book
from
outside
countries
because
of
uncertainty
about
what
the
national
regulations
may
be
for
entry.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
update.
I
mentioned
it
because
in
the
the
the
session
just
before
you
joined,
we
were
approving
the
the
locations
of
the
upcoming
meetings
of
the
of
the
board
and
in
addition
to
this
year
meeting
after
the
ietf
in
london,
it's
now
our
plan
to
meet
in
conjunction
with
the
ietf
for
q1
as
well.
Okay,.
U
B
V
Thank
you
ted
for
introducing
me.
I
thank
you
all
actually
for
your
attention
and
the
opportunity
for
me
to
speak
here
on
behalf
of
the
dutch
internet
chapter
and
of
course
I
would
like
to
congratulate
on
behalf
of
the
dutch
internet
chapter,
the
new
trustees
board
members.
Can
I
just
update
that
I
thought
I
needed
to
press
it.
Thank
you.
V
It's
a
very
active
chapter
fields
of
interest
are
disinformation
misinformation,
but
also
advising
ministries
through
cyber
diplomacy,
how
they
can
enhance
their
policy
with
regards
to
internet
governance.
So
personally
I
collaborate
a
lot
with
ministries
of
economic
affairs,
foreign
affairs
and
interior
affairs.
V
V
So
I
collaborate
with
the
ministry
of
economic
affairs
to
make
the
dutch
startup
ecosystem
more
diverse
and
inclusive
yeah.
Through
what
I
said
before,
we
are
very
active
chapter.
We
have
a
lot
of
fun.
Actually
at
the
chapter
we
like
our
subscription
to
the
mission
of
the
internet
society,
which
is
provide
the
safe
and
trustworthy
internet
for
the
benefit
of
yeah.
Everybody
on
this
planet
actually
and
yeah.
V
So
one
of
them
is
actually
setting
up
a
chapter,
a
new
chapter,
it's
a
quite
straightforward
process
actually
and
the
other
thing
concerned
the
setup
of
a
so-called
special
interest
group.
So
we
have
been
yeah.
We
followed
up
actually
all
the
procedures
concerning
the
setup
of
a
special
interest
group,
but
we
still
till
date
don't
have
any
clarification
why
this
original
procedure
was
not
followed
up.
V
V
Netherlands,
we
are
of
course
aware
that
the
internet
chapter,
the
netherlands,
is
a
separate
identity
of
is
an
independent
entity
of
is
not
connected
to
internet
society,
so
we
are
aware
of
it,
but
it
also
means
that
when
we
look
at
the
contract
that
we
have
as
a
chapter
with
internet
society,
we
do
have
some
questions
marks
when
it
concerns
the
support.
That's
I
believe
it's
under
article
three
or
four
support
that
is
said
to
be
provided
by
internet
society.
Netherlands
concerning
organizational
development.
V
So
so
there
are
two
capacities
actually,
of
course,
individual
members
for
which
the
chapter
and
special
interest
group
process
are
designed
for.
Actually,
we
can,
you
can
read
that
and
as
the
process
is
formulated,
but
it's
also
another
capacity
that,
as
a
chapter,
you
have
a
relationship
with
internet
society,
a
formal
relationship,
and
that
is
formulated
also
in
support
provision
from
internet
society
and
both
these
from
both
these
capacities.
V
We
see
some
issue
issues
with
regards
to
the
follow-up
of
code
of
conduct
also
for
individual
internet
society.
Members,
assuming
that
officers
who
are
involved
in
these
processes
are
also
internet
society
members,
but
also
there's
a
code
of
conduct
for
board
members
and
officers
for
internet
society,
and
these
entail
things
like
fair.
W
V
I
call
it
fair,
honest
treatment.
Well,
you
know
probably
better
than
I
do,
but
we
we
we
feel
that
these
codes
of
conduct
have
not
been
followed
up
and
yeah.
Concerning
the
specifics,
yeah.
Of
course
you
can
ask
any
questions.
Of
course,
if
there
are
any
questions,
but
I
would
do
like
to
raise
these
questions
because,
if
internet
society's
mission
is
to
provide
a
safe
and
trustworthy
internet.
B
So
so
let
me
back
up
a
little
bit
to
the
first
item,
because
I
think
you
were
first
talking
about
the
set
of
mechanisms
by
which
chapters
and
sigs
were
approved
and
ask
a
clarifying
question.
Clearly
you
already
are
a
chapter:
was
there
a
movement
inside
the
netherlands
chapter
to
set
up
a
new
chapter
as
well
or
was
it
a
sorry,
the
the.
A
In
from
our
point
of
view,
it
turned
out
that
there
was
more
than
one
group
that
was
working
on
on
setting
up
a
chapter
there
and
they
were
not
communicating
with
one
another
or
they
didn't
know
about
one
another
or
something,
and
we
attempted
to
to
bridge
this.
But
there
were
some
miscommunications
on
during
that
time,
and
in
particular
there
were
some
some
correspondences
that
were
forwarded
that
turned
out
to
create
attention
among
the
groups,
and
much
of
this,
as
nearly
as
we
can
tell
has
to
do
with.
A
You
know,
sort
of
wider
geopolitical
context
and
historical
context
that
I
I
don't
think
we
can
do
anything
about.
But
it
was
our
understanding
that
the
two
groups
that
were
working
on
this
agreed
on
the
final
application,
which
included
people
from
both
of
the
groups
that
had
been
originally
working
on
this
now,
once
the
once
the
joint
once
that
final
application
was
shared
according
to
the
standard
process
that
we
have,
which
is
what
a
new
what
a
new
chapter
comes
in.
A
It
is
shared
with
the
rest
of
the
chapters
for
comment
and
so
on.
That
was
the
moment
at
which
we
heard
that
it
appeared
that
there
was
not
actual
agreement
and
that
clearly
there
was
a
problem
there,
and
so
we
we
had
to
go
back
and
and
reconfirm
that
all
of
the
all
of
the
people
who
were
listed
were
in
fact
supporters,
and
this
ultimately
ended
up
being
you
know,
causing
some
people
to
say
no,
no,
I
never
supported
that
and
so
on.
B
A
B
A
A
A
We
didn't
handle
all
of
the
balls
perfectly
within
the
staff,
and
I
I
think
we
did
some
review
of
that,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
there
is
always
some
difficulty
in
community
processes
when
there
are
some
internal
comp.
You
know
their
competition
across
the
community
and
some
of
that
it
was
exposed
in
this
there
were,
you
know
there
were
there
were
differences
in
the
community
and
it's
always
challenging
to
you
know
to
do
work
in
public
the
way
we
do
with
the
internet
society
when
you've
got.
A
B
V
So
the
sig
was
a
sick
focus
on
still
it's
focused
on
this
and
misinformation,
and
also
using
the
internet
protocol
that
was
at
least
facilitated
by
internet
society
and
announced
the
annotation
protocol.
So
just
like
a
additional
layer
on
the
web,
where
you're
able
to
annotate
on
words
sentences
or
paragraphs
and
this
annotation
layer
this
this
part
of
this
internet
infrastructure.
We
also
use
to.
V
V
There
was
the
gate
the
there
was.
We
were
given
notice
that
internet
society
was
working
on
a
new
formation
process
so
that
that
we
knew
only
when
we
we
were
not
involved
in
the
creation
of
this
new
special
interest
formation
process,
and
when
we
saw
the
final
outcome
actually
of
the
special
interest
group
formation
process,
the
new
one.
V
V
B
A
Right
so
so
we
got
the
application
for
the
new
sig
in
november
2019,
and
that
was
the
time
when
we'd,
already
paused
acceptance
of
or
or
creation
of,
new
things.
While
we
were
working
on
the
new
process-
and
there
were
exchanges
back
and
forth
from
december
to
march
2020
about
about
why
this
was
paused,
because
because
we
were
doing
the
new
thing
we
did
try.
A
You
know
some
other
things,
because
we
knew
that
new
sticks
were
all
pockets
to
come
during
this
period
and
and
it
was,
it
was
taking
a
long
time
to
to
build
the
new,
the
new
sig
approach,
because
we
had
a
community
working
group
that
was
sorting
out
what
the
new
rules
were
going
to
be
for
how
things
were
going
to
be
operated
and
so
on,
and
that
that
took,
as
you
all
know,
it's
taking
quite
a
long
time.
I
mean
we're,
we're
only
just
really
getting
it
into
place
now.
A
A
This
tended
to
mean
that
sigs
did
not
have
bank
accounts
all
of
the
time,
or
else
they
did.
They
frequently
had
them
under
the
aegis
of
some
other
chapter,
and
this
tended
to
to
be
a
very,
very
awkward
solution.
Many
cigs
were
unhappy
with
it
and
that's
why
we
kicked
off
the
the
new
thing.
So
I
I
am
sorry
that
these
that
these
two
processes
collided
with
one
another
and
it
I
know
that
it
was
unsatisfying
experience
for
you,
but
that
is
the
reason
why
it
went
that
way.
A
Yes,
because
the
way
that
the
cigs
well
it's
the
limitation
in
in
number
and
the
community
selection
mechanism,
but
you
know,
because
the
community
ultimately
selects
which
ones
are
going
to
be
supported.
The
reason
for
the
limitation
in
number
is
is
a
practical
one.
We
we
only
have
so
many
staff
and
because
these
all
have
to
be
functionally,
you
know
delivered
as
part
of
the
internet
society's
activities.
You
can
think
of
sigs
as
having
roughly
the
same
functional
relationship
to
the
internet
society
that
the
ietf
used
to
yeah.
B
B
V
We
have
considered
that,
of
course,
and
we
are
still
considering
it
again.
Also.
The
the
special
interest
activities
were
part
of
the
organizational
development
of
the
dutch
chapter,
so
we
were
looking
forward
to
collaborating
with
the
special
interest
group,
but
also
you
know
we're
now
talking
about
it
in
two
minutes
or
something
like
that,
but
I
would
like
to
emphasize
that
this
process
maybe
took
more
than
a
year
or
something
like
that,
and
we
were
kept
on
a
string
all
this
time.
V
V
V
The
action
plans
for
the
no
business
plan,
because
the
contract
of
the
chapter
refers
to
a
business
plan
not
to
action
plan.
The
action
plan
is,
of
course,
a
extension
of
policy
of
internet
society,
but
the
distinction
between
policy
and
business
plan
is
clearly
being
made
in
this
chapter
agreement.
V
So
for
us,
it's
it's
it's
it's
very
unclear.
Also.
When
we
looked
into
the
bylaws
of
internet
society,
we
couldn't
find
the
specification
of
a
special
interest
group,
the
chapters
we
did,
but
not
from
special
interest
groups.
So
we
were
puzzled.
How
you
know
we
what
I
said
before
we
invest
our
time
and
professionality
and
our
network
in
setting
up
activities
in
line
with
our
contract
actually
with
internet
society.
V
But
then,
when
it
comes
to
the
part
of
well,
maybe
it's
not
only
about
deliverance
but
also
about
transparency.
Actually,
then
we
are
kept
in
the
dark.
I
mean
if
it
was
like
you
know,
reuben.
We
would
love
to
support
your
chapter,
but
at
the
current
time
we
don't
have
the
capacity
or
you
know,
then
we
know
what
to
how
to
handle
also
our
interests
on
national
interest.
Also,
so
the
lack
of
transparency
is
something
that
we
see
that
we're
worries
about.
V
V
E
At
the
very
beginning
of
your
conversation,
you
you
speak
about
the
chapters
so
very
distancing
related
to
the
rest
of
isochron.
All
the
chapters
are
a
very
important
part
for
iso
that
takes
me
to
the
this
issue.
You
were
discussing
about
the
surinam
chapter
on
the,
but
you
said
also
something
very
important,
which
is
you're
working
in
diversity
and
inclusion.
E
Yeah,
yes,
and
that's
very
important-
to
share
with
other
chapters,
because
we
know,
netherlands
is
a
country
that
has
a
lot
of
experience
in
that
area,
also
in
in
peace
in
in
works
toward
peace,
so
that
may
be
shared
with
other
chapters.
So
that
brings
me
in
one
of
two
things.
I
want
to
ask
the
first
one,
because
we
we
can
speak
a
lot
about
the
bad
things,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
good
things
to
be
told.
So
what
will
be
the
great
story
of
the
the
netherlands
chapter?
E
Yes,
that's
one
thing
and
the
other
thing
is
I'm
very
worried
when
you
say
that
there
was
some
breach
of
the
code
of
conduct.
So
if
you
want
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
to
see
if
we
can
suggest
something
to
prevent
that
happening,
because
it's
not
nice
that
anyone
at
iso
is
breaching
the
code
of
conduct
yeah,
I
can
imagine.
V
That
so
the
first
point
was
why
I
spoke
so
remotely
about
the
chapter.
Actually,
when
I
look
at
the
charter
agreement,
I
see
0.6.
There
is
a
specific
article
that
said
chapter
independence,
so
the
chapters
are
operated
as
an
independent
identity,
with
the
soul
authority,
over
chapters
activities,
governance,
membership
funding
and
other
matters.
So
this
is
the
reason
I
I
did
it,
but
of
course
we
feel
involved
with
everything
that's
happening
in
internet
society,
because
we're
also
humans
and
we
talk
to
people
in
the
in
the
community.
V
But
what
this
is
what
I
also
meant
that
you
know
these
these
two
things,
both
the
sig
and
the
chapter
formation,
are
as
we
look
at
it
at
the
process,
are
designed
to
facilitate
individual
members,
but
it
doesn't
exclude
the
possibility
that
individuals,
members
can
collaborate
with
a
chapter
as
part
of
the
organizational
development
of
the
chapter
so
yeah.
What
would
be
the
greatest
achievement
of
the
of
the
chapter?
V
So
that
was
that
that
was
something
that
that
played
that
was
relevant
during
the
ukraine,
russia,
conflict
or
war.
How
you
define
it,
but
we
were
able
to
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table
there
and
yeah.
We
find
it
very
important
to
provide
the
insights
of
you
know
the
internet
way
of
working
to
also
policy
makers.
B
K
V
V
So
for
us,
it's
important
that
someone,
maybe
from
the
board
or
someone
from
another
organ
within
the
internet
society,
can
get
the
parties
back
at
the
table
so
because
we
want
to
continue
the
activities
as
foreseen
because
they
are
relevant
for
our
chapter
and
to
see
if
there
can
be
a
practical
solution
that
fits
the
possibilities
of
internet
society
itself
and
also
suits
the
interest
of
internet
society.
Netherlands,
because
I
don't
believe,
because
you
know
it
was
a
quite
straightforward
process.
I
don't
believe
that
it
should
be
a
real
issue.
B
V
B
B
K
D
G
B
So
ruben
we'll
forward
to
you
his
intervention
once
once
once
we
get
it,
but
let
me
thank
you
again
for
for
taking
the
time
to
come
and
talk
to
us
today
and
to
raise
these
issues.
We
appreciate
you
both
the
dedication
of
your
chapter
to
the
mission
and
to
improving
the
functioning
of
the
internet
society.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
T
T
We
want
to
build
a
framework
to
engage
chapters
through
the
chapter
advisory
council.
That's
the
first
project.
I
will
detail
all
of
these
afterwards.
The
second
one
is
the
interpretation
within
working
committees.
It
is
a
request
we
have
received
from
eduardo
diaz
and
we
have
translated
in
how
to
engage
a
broader
community.
T
Next
hopping
time
is
the
digital
sovereignty,
to
enable
chapters
to
liaise
with
local
and
regional
governments
and,
finally,
a
chapter
survey.
We
are
focused
on
on
the
what
chapters
are
willing
to
do
rather
than
how
to
do,
and
that
was
already
done
in
the
past.
So
we
can
go
to
the
first
topic
and
the
next
slide.
I
think
I
can
even
move
forward
myself.
Oh
yeah,
exactly
so
a
framework
to
end
the
chapters
to
chapter
at
his
holy
counseling.
T
These
issues
matrix
are
really
really
complete
and
really
excellent
work,
but
a
heavy
and
and
complex
work,
so,
for
example,
for
the
first
one,
there
are
77
issues
reported
and
and
going
in
in
many
directions
and
topics
like
radio
controlled
device
or
encryption
or
id
addressing
and
many
other
internet
related
issues,
and
it
is
also
quite
complex
for
for
chapters.
That's
all
salvation
to
onboard
when
you
have
such
big
work,
how
to
onboard.
T
In
the
itu,
united
nations
discussions
and
how
to
approach
local
governments,
so
we
have
built
an
action
plan
together.
That's
also
work
in
progress.
The
first
thing
is
to
increase
the
national
government's
understanding
of
internet
society
priorities.
That's
really
the
the
first
point
and
the
first
key
objective
we
want
to
reach
together
with
the
chapters.
T
The
second
one
is
to
increase
government
supportive
of
the
open
globally
connected
internet
so
that
they
have
really
an
active
participation
and
then
the
latest
one
is
information
sharing
with
omac
and
chapters
and,
of
course,
so
that's
the
action
plan.
In
short
with
the
question,
how
to
involve
more
governments
and
chapters
and
how
to
enroll
them,
it's
the
next
slide.
We
we
have
just
summarized
the
proposal
we
can
go
to
next
chapter
yeah.
Thank
you.
T
The
idea
is
to
hire
for
chapters
who
didn't
on
both
yet
start
an
onboarding
process
with
a
few
topics.
The
topics
are
not
a
final.
It's
you
want
a
proposal,
it's
the
idea
to
focus
on
some
key
topics
that
will
be
easier
for
chapters
to
on
board
and
not
77
topics.
At
the
same
time,
the
first
one
is
internet.
T
Especially
with
the
the
how
to
say
that
to
be
politically
correct
for
the
international
situation
with
and
russia,
so
they're
really
requests
to
to
isolate
some
parts
of
the
internet
and
to
speak
internet.
That's
a
first
approach.
The
second
one
is
digital
sovereignty.
That
could
be
approached
very
differently
depending
on
the
countries.
In
my
own
country,
for
example,
it's
through
data
retention.
T
Of
course,
encryption
is
another
example
of
topic
and
how
to
protect-
and
we
are
talking
here
about
end-to-end
encryption
over
the
internet-
and
this
is
a
proposal
really
to
yeah
to
to
put
chapters
and
to
come
with
those
three
topics.
That
chapters
could
approach-
local
governments
and
institutions
to
start
and
engage
with
discussions.
T
T
I
just
mentioned
a
few
with
the
internet
way
of
working,
it's
huge
matrix
and
we
can
use
the
full
ethernet
polls
etc,
and-
and
that's
really
the
the
approach
here
at
chapters
on
broughton
top
three
to
look
at
governments,
an
alternative
for
countries
with
for
internet
coverage
and
and
from
there
they
find
dashboards
and
kpis.
It's
a
proposal
like,
for
example,
in
each
country.
It
was
a
situation.
T
What
are
the
challenge
and
what
could
represent
threats
due
to
internet
model,
from
the
legislation
of
the
upcoming
legislation
in
some
countries
and
then
to
with
this
dashboard,
to
see
what's
its
participation
of
the
chapter
and
to
really
have
more
chapters
involved
in
this
process
and
and
when
chapters
are
evolved
and
when
we
have
a
vision?
Also,
what's
the
status?
Does
the
government
have
a
good
understanding
and
are
they
supportive?
T
Yes,
that's
that's
the
idea
and
we
we
still
need
to
define
then
with
either
staff
the
support
model
like
do
we
need
to
set
up
working
committees
on
this
topic,
financial
support
and
and
that's
a
proposal
in
nutshell.
I
propose
for
this
topic.
If
you
have
questions
to
raise
your
questions
now
before.
Moving
to
the
next
topic,.
B
T
T
It's
it's
not
it's
not
much
and
and
of
course,
even
to
participate
to
w2s
with
esa
meetings
it
was
even
even
lower.
It
was
more
people
already
engaged
through
their
through
the
actions
with
local
governments.
That's
at
the
same
time,
part
of
internet
society,
but
it's
yeah,
it's
it's
it's
too
low,
and-
and
so
that's
why,
if
we
have
a
dashboard
and
kpi
in
terms
of
the
proposal,
then
we
can
really
see
in
full
objectivity
how
many
chapters
which
chapters
and
engage
in
action
plan?
That's
the
purpose.
T
T
I
will
not
read
the
full
text
here,
it's
just
for
information,
the
original
request
we
have
received-
and
it
was
more
from
late
in
america,
where
it
was
observed
that
few
people
are
contributing
to
internet
society
compared
to
the
the
mass
of
people
available
and
with
knowledge,
and
we
did
with
the
request
how
to
improve
that
to
do
to
the
next
slide.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
yeah
we
have
the
what's
the
status
and
the
work
done
we
have.
T
Our
approach
is
always
to
start
from
the
what
what's
the
objective,
because
life
translation
is
more
a
way
of
doing
things,
but
to
do
what?
If
we
do
live
translation
in
everything
like
no,
for
example,
in
this
current
meeting
in
in
six
languages?
Okay,
what's
the
added
value,
so
we
have
more
restarted.
T
Broader
discussion
had
to
be
with
adriano
diaz
on
first
understand
what
are
working
committees
and
the
definition
is
any
committee
created
by
internet
society
globally
and
asking
participation
to
volunteers
as
examples
we
have
the
special
interest
groups,
but
we
can
be
also
not
topic
a
digital
sovereignty.
It
can
be
one
in
the
past
there
was
a
working
working
committee
about
the
batch,
for
example,
for
the
different
chapters.
T
The
objective
is
to
engage
a
broader
committee
and
not
only
english
speaking,
people
or
people
able
to
to
speak
currently
in
english,
and
so
the
status
is
not
in
preparation
to
be
translated,
of
course,
and
sent
to
chapters
for
feedback
and
in
the
next
slide.
I
highlight
the
the
contents
of
these
notes.
So,
first
the
objective
engage,
non-english
speaking
committees
which
communities
here
we
have
seen
depending
on
on
the
chapters
different
approach.
T
Everything
needs
to
be
translated,
it
should
be
part
of
our
dna
are
only
priority
ones
when
it
really,
it
serves
the
more
the
the
community
like,
for
example,
if
we
have
the
special
interest
groups
for
gender
equity
yeah,
it
could
be
with
live
translation
interpretation
of
this
special
telescope.
The
options
how
to
do
it.
T
T
Countries
or
spanish-speaking
countries,
how
can
they
have
access
to
tools
or
funding
to
translate
during
this
reflection
and
analysis?
We
have
also
put
attention
on
terminology.
Sometimes
if
we
talk
about
m
and
rs,
for
example,
other
things
it's
too
complex
for
people,
even
encryption,
translated
in
other
languages.
B
It's
because,
at
the
beginning
of
meetings,
we
normally
declare
conflicts
of
interest.
I
wasn't
aware
that
you
were
going
to
have
live
interpretation
as
a
topic
I
apologize.
I
didn't
see
your
slides
in
time
and
I
do
need
to
declare
conflict
of
interest
for
this,
because
I
have
an
interest
in
one
of
the
companies
that
does
this
automated
tools
for
machine
translation,
so
I'll
recuse
from
discussion
of
this
topic
and.
T
L
Question
just
one
question:
can
you
go
back
a
slide?
So
maybe
I
missed
this
nuance,
so
this
is
to
one
of
the
objectives
here.
The
engage
of
non
non-english
speaking
communities
languages
below
include
english,
so
is
it
is
a
target,
the
communities
that
are
first
language,
not
english,
but
still
use
english
as
the
language
by
which
to
communicate
or
is
it
to
communicate
in
those
foreign
languages
like?
What's
what
like,
I'm
just
trying
to
rationalize
the
objective
versus
that.
T
I've
heard
from
latin
america,
so
they
they
have
portuguese
and
spanish,
widely
spread,
but
english
people
cannot
speak
in
english,
could
not
intervene
in
a
meeting
in
english
and
if
it's
only
english
mandatory
to
participate
to
live
meetings,
then
you,
you
miss
a
big
part
of
the
community.
That's
that's
the
message.
L
L
So
in
the
previous
slide
to
this
there
was
the
sigs,
and
I
there
was
a
sick
question
and
just
from
a
prior
conversation,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
a
capacity
item
when
I
guess
there's
a
total
number
of
cigs
that
could
be
supported
by
isoc
in
total
right,
and
so
there
has
to
be
like
there
has
to
be
some
selection
as
to
what
areas
do
that,
and
so,
when
there's
both
community
chapters
that
are
trying
to
bring
up
cigs
versus
things
that
they
communicate
large
make
sure
that
they
want.
Where
does
preference
go?
L
How
does
that's
like
that
selection
process
like
what
is
there
like
a
qualitative
thing
goes
in
there
is,
you
might
have
community
members
that
want
to
work
on
something
that
may
not
match
what
the
globe
like
what
the
kind
of
the
global
position
is,
but
they
actually
have
people
wanting
to
work
on
it
versus
hey.
We
want
to
work
on
this
as
a
global
society,
but
now
you
have
to
go
find
people
who
want
to
go
actually
work
on
it.
L
T
T
But
that's
really
first
to
to
have
the
input
from
the
community
from
the
different
chapters
on
what
are
their
priorities.
I
know
that
some
and
from
in
my
opinion,
and
also
in
the
opinion
of
the
string
committee-
it's
a
dream.
They
want
to
have
that
in
our
dna,
so
to
have
everything
translated
as
european
parliament
or
commission
are
doing
in
22
languages,
but
that's
cost
really
a
lot
of
money.
T
So
I
I
think
we
should
define
priorities
and
that's
part
also
of
the
server
that
will
be
sent
to
chapters
what
are
the
priorities
and
for
the
priority.
It's
not
high,
medium
or
low.
It's
more,
a
ranking
that
we
will
ask.
Please
put
your
top
one
top
two
and
etc
to
really
then
come
with
a
proposal.
Okay,
in
this
area.
T
That
would
be
excellent
digital
sovereignty.
It's
for
the
the
two
next
topics.
I
will
say
only
a
few,
a
few
things
because
it
just
started
with
the
next
and
next
big
priority.
I
am
in
our
steam
committee.
You
will
take
a
leak
on
this
and
the
objective
is
to
enable
chapters
to
liaise
with
local
and
regional
governments,
and
it's
there
that
we
make
also
the
link
between
digital
sovereignty
and
the
itu
united
nations
discussions
on
internet
way
of
networking.
T
T
T
We
can
go
to
two
next
slides,
yeah
and
even
next
slide.
Here
are
the
topics
we
are
working
on.
As
for
your
information,
so
the
committee
week,
early
of
september,
of
a
full
chapter,
every
survey
comes
in
calls
and
the
communication
and
and
then
also
selection
of
chapter
volunteers
for
the
board
of
trustees,
election
and
nomination
comic
committee
and
the
same
for
the
chapter
harvest
of
its
council.
So
in
community
for
next
year,.
E
E
The
check
was
designed,
for
other
things
right
the
to
help
to
organize
the
chapters
to,
let's
say,
standardize,
the
way
they
they
they
thought
they
do
business
in
in
accordance
to
the
to
the
charter.
The
common
practices
back
sharing
best
practices,
but
the
I
just
want
to
know
if
the
chuck
is
able
to
have
or
act
as
in
this
communication
channel
or
the
chuck
should
think
in
other
ways
that
the
chapters
may
communicate
to
the
other
parts
in
the
organization.
E
T
T
So
if
we
want
to
pass
a
message
about,
for
example,
life
interpretation,
it's
not
only
communication
from
isaac
stark
to
chapter
or
from
chapter
to
other
staff,
we
need
to
coordinate
to
to
collect
the
the
input
and
then
the
feedback
and
and
and
to
provide
it
back.
So
so
that's
a
first
mission
and
in
the
older
sense
also
some
chapters
are
willing
to
be
more
involved,
but
they
don't
know
how
to
do
it's.
T
F
E
Yes,
yes,
yes,
you,
you
answer
the
question,
but
I
have
in
the
head
this
level
of
participation
and
I'm
trying
to
match
it
the
something
that
we
heard
from
the
from
the
chapters.
I
don't
know
where
the
that
they
were
they
were
saying
they
were
asked
that
the
use
the
check
to
bring
their
proposals
to
the
board
and
they
said
well,
the
actually.
The
check
is
not
very
useful
because
they
they
only
meet
sometimes
in
the
year,
and
they
do
it
for
very
limited
time.
So.
L
Don't
have
a
question,
but
I
just
want
to
confirm
so
if
I
understood
your
original
question,
you
want
to
know,
is
the
check
there
to
primarily
provide
a
method
by
which
communication
occurs
or
are
they
a
vehicle
by
which
that
communication
occurs?
Did
I
understand
your
original
question
and
then
from
your
present
and
then
your
comment
later
on
seems,
like
you
have
a
preference
that
they
should
be
working
on
the
method
by
which
communication
works,
and
that's
the
key
thing
you
seem
to
be
most
focused
on
is
that
did
I
understand
that
correctly.
E
E
Yes,
but
the
we
heard
from
charles.
They
are
not
ready
to
do
that,
so
they,
I
think
the
proper
place
to
develop
this
method
of
communication
should
be
the
check
while
working
with
the
chapters,
as
they
show
us
that
some
of
the
initiatives
have
been
successful
and
that
that
is
the
example
of
itu.
Yes,
work
around
the
policy,
so
maybe
they
they
can
work
that.
But
the
is
something
to
keep
in
mind
mercy,
shells.
T
K
Yes,
I
hi
thank
you.
I
I
was
looking
at
the
your
description
about
some
of
the
work
you
were
doing
with
the
unitu
advocacy
or
or
discussion
within
the
these
chapters,
and
also
digital
sovereignty,
and
so
on.
Now
I
just
wondering,
because
we
this
morning
we
also
heard
about
some
of
the
topics
being
mentioned
in
in
the
action
plan.
Are
we
talking
about
the
same
things
or
or
how
are
you
coordinating
between
the
work,
with
the
check
and
and
and
with
the
with
the
staff
action
plan
or
or
not.
T
But
it's
it's
also
part
of
the
survey
yeah
it's
low,
really
from
the
chapters
who
they
really
clearly
understand
the
action
plan
of
isaac
and
how
they
are
engaged
in
this
action
plan.
It's
also
part
of
the
question
of
the
survey
to
see
if
we
have
a
two
different
worlds
or
if
we
are
really
together
and
if
we
are
not
enough
together,
what
can
we
improve
and
then
how.
K
Well,
I
think
that's
very
good,
but
but
I
I
it
was
actually
you
know
considering
that
I
was
looking
at
the
the
group's
name.
You
know
it's
the
advisory
committee,
but
it
to
me,
it
seems,
seems
like
this
is
a
little
bit
more
than
just
advisory
you're
actually
doing
work.
That
is
helping
with
the
with
the
action
plan
of
the
of
isoc.
K
So
so
I
I
mean
it's
good
that
that
that
this
is
happening,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
know
whether
it's
in
the
same
same
along
the
same
line
as
what
luis
is
asking.
How
much
are
we
can
we
should
we
should
we,
or
should
we
not
expect
the
the
advisory
committee
to
to
to
to
focus
more
on
advising
how
we
can
build
a
stronger
relationship
with
the
chapters
I
mean
I
mean
certainly
working
on
some
of
these
topics
might
be
conducive
to
the
same
goals.
T
And
then
we
have
a
pool
in
involvement
of
chapters,
and
our
advice
here
is
to
to
come
with
a
simple
onboarding
process
and
select
three
key
topics
for
chapters,
so
they
can
really
onboard
easily
and
and
and
then
gradually
improve
the
the
the
work
with
the
chapters.
That's
our
our
advice
here
put
an
onboarding
process
to
help
chapters
to
onboard
easily
on
topics
and
not
start
with
documents
of
about
hundreds
of
pages,
with
many
different
and
complex
things
and
people
don't
know,
okay.
K
Sorry
one
last
comment
because
I
was
just
you
know,
thinking
about,
for
example,
when
reuben
was
here
and
talking
about
some
of
the
issues
that
he
seemed
to
have
with
chapter
communication
with
the
headquarters
and
so
on.
You
know
I
I
my
and
then
my
one
of
my
question
would
be.
If
I
were
him,
would
I
come
to
the
advisory
committee
first
or
or
or
seek
help
for
most
chapters?
Apparently
they
don't
do
that
should
or
shouldn't
he
not
as
a
chapter
to
do
that.
C
N
G
Actually,
I
have
a
power
outage
and
I
am
hoping
that
at
the
top
of
the
hour
it
will
correct
itself
and
I
would
have
my
wi-fi
internet
back.
Currently,
I
am
connected
on
my
mobile
data.
So
if
I
am
fine,
we
can
go
ahead
with
the
agenda,
otherwise
we
can
take
a
short
break
and
start
perhaps
at
the
top
of
the
hour.
B
O
O
B
G
G
G
G
After
the
chapter
on
accessibility
and
disability
was
decharted
due
to
the
new
sig
strategy
and
in
2022
once
again,
it
was
decharted
in
21
and
22
reformed
as
accessibility
special
interest
group.
My
purpose
to
coming
to
board
with
the
proposal
with
regards
to
ice
policy
for
person
with
disability
is
that
there
have
been
a
lot
of
work,
but
this
work
has
mainly
remained
to
some
actions
and
some
of
the
frameworks
into
into
isak
systems.
G
With
regard
to
employment,
some
specific
tools,
mainly
it
has
been
that
there
were
issues
and
when
it
was
pointed
out
that
this
is
the
issue
staff
or
some
other
community
members,
they
come
together
to
to
resolve
the
issue.
The
purpose
of
this
policy
should
be
that,
if
there
is,
there
should
be
a
policy
that
should
be
guiding
the
internet
society
about
the
different
issues
as
they
come
in
front
of
the
internet
society.
G
Which
are
doing
some
work
on
a
person
with
disabilities,
so
this
work
needs
to
be
bring
together
under
a
single
umbrella,
which
would
at
this
point,
be
the
accessibility
standing
group.
But
this
work
should
also
be
driven
by
the
action
point,
the
the
and
the
larger
strategy
of
the
internet
society.
The
ultimate
objective
here
is
to
make
the
internet
accessible
for
people
with
disabilities.
G
If
the
some
chapter
wants
to
start,
some
same
wants
to
start,
for
instance,
to
make
internet
equally
accessible
and
affordable,
because
when
we
talk
about
the
availability
of
the
internet,
it's
not
just
the
the
cost.
That
is
that
people
incur
on
devices.
It's
also
the
cost
incurred
for
people
with
disabilities
in
certain
cases
that
they
used
or
incurred
to
access
through
those
devices
to
the
internet,
for
instance,
the
availability
of
screen
leaders
or
availability
of
accessible
devices
in
in
certain
areas.
G
G
But
there
has
to
be
some
extent
because
when
we
say
internet
is
for
everyone,
people
with
disabilities
form
a
very
considerable
part
of
everyone
about
15
percent
of
global
population,
and
if
we
do
not
consider
while
formulating
our
our
policies
or
implementing
our
strategies,
while
formulating
our
plans,
we
are
effectually
ignoring
this
15
percent
of
world
population
which,
as
a
as
a
global
society,
I
would
say
we
cannot
do
so.
I
will
stop
here
and
if
there
are
any
discussions,
we
can
move
forward
on
that.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
taking
the
time
to
go
through
that
and
I
appreciate
the
ice
accessibility
framework,
which
was
previously
shared
with
the
board
to
remind
folks
on
the
board,
they're,
really
two
high-level
goals
of
the
isoc
accessibility
framework,
building,
a
culture
of
accessibility
and
ensuring
minimal
barriers
to
participation
and
engagement
with
isoc
processes
and
practices,
and
I
think,
as
we
start
the
discussion,
it's
important
for
us
to
consider.
B
First,
what
barriers
to
participation
and
engagement
with
the
mission
there
may
be
so
there
there's.
Definitely
how
do
we
make
sure
that
people
with
disability
can
join
us
in
in
the
mission
of
isaac
and
then
there's
a
second
part?
How
can
the
mission
of
isak
serve
those
with
specific
disabilities,
and
so
as
we
as
we
start
the
discussion,
maybe
we
want
to
take
those
as
two
different
topics
that
relate
to
how
isoc
and
people
with
disabilities
relate
to
the
mission.
B
G
G
Now
I
do
understand
that
not
every
activity
that
internet
society
runs
should
have
the
accessibility
provisions
for
person
with
disabilities,
because
it's
not
just
the
the
purpose
of
interest
rate
is
not
just
for
for
to
serve
as
an
organization
of
people
with
disabilities.
It
has
a
larger
perspective
as
well,
but
certainly
there
should
be
someone
or
an
expert
in
the
society
who
should
be
examining
our
plans
and
activities
and
their
execution
that
are,
we.
G
B
B
K
K
B
A
Well,
so
so
it
I
I've
heard
what
muhammad
is
saying
that
the
internet
society
is
reactive
in
in
terms
of
somebody
reporting
a
problem
and
then
doing
something
about
that,
and-
and
I
recognize
that
that
is
probably
historically
true,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
actually.
I.
I
don't
think
that
I
can
agree
that
that
is
in
fact,
what
the
internet
society's
staff
function
is
doing
now,
so
we've
been
using,
you
know,
conformance
against
various
web
accessibility
guidelines
in
purchasing
decisions
over
the
last
year
or
so.
A
The
problem,
of
course,
is
that
none
of
that
stuff
has
shipped
yet
like
it
hasn't
landed
right,
but
I
mean
I
we're
not
going
to
invest
more
money,
for
instance
in
in
doing
anything
about
member
nova,
because
we're
replacing
that
platform
and
so
the
the
efforts
you
don't
see
them
yet.
Similarly,
there's
a
fairly
significant
chunk
of
the
of
the
style
guide
that
is
about
this
topic
and
requires
audio
description.
When
you've
got
a
video,
it
requires
alternative
formats.
It
requires
it
requires
it.
A
The
the
tools
portion
of
the
style
guide
refers
exp,
especially
to
the
standing
group,
toolkit
and-
and
you
know,
refers
people
off
to
that
in
order
to
do
validation
of
this,
and
this
has
become
a
standard
practice
in
our
communications,
materials
and
so
forth.
So
I
I
certainly
accept
the
criticism
that
historically,
the
internet
society
staff
seemed
always
to
be
only
reactive
to
this.
It
is
nevertheless
the
case
that
we've
adopted
a
number
of
policies
over
the
past
12
to
24
months.
A
E
G
G
Discussion
and
now
the
discussions
with
the
leadership
of
standing
group,
the
work
has
started
to
go
in
the
direction
that
it
should
go.
But,
prior
to
that
there
there
have
been
a
lot
of
good
work
and
the
toolkit
that
andrew
mentions
is
is
the
best
example
of
the
prior
work
that
was
done
under
the
umbrella
of
the
excessivity.
G
G
If
you
want
to
build
a
new
website,
you
would
have
to
set
a
standard
that
which,
to
which
level
of
wcag
web
content,
accessibility,
guidelines
2.1,
which
are
the
latest
standards
of
accessibility.
With
regards
to
the
websites
and
digital
content,
you
would
make
your
content
and
design
accessible,
single,
a
would
be
the
least
accessible
and
typically
would
be
the
utmost
accessibility.
G
T
B
But
mohammed
we've
we've
once
again
kind
of
reached
the
point
where
your
audio
has
has
started
stretching
and
breaking.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
mute
yourself
for
a
moment
to
break
the
audio
connection
and
then
to
try
again,
because
sometimes
that
will
restart
the
the
connection
to
zoom.
So
if
you
could
pause
your
audio
for
15-20
seconds
and
then
restart,
let's
see
if
that
gets
us
a
new
context
or
not.
G
B
B
G
G
What
we
need
to
do
is,
and-
and
that
is
for
the
standing
group-
on
accessibility,
people
and
leadership
to
think
about
it.
It
should
not
be
the
concern
of
the
isak
board
and
leadership.
Of
course
we
can.
We
can
provide
them
with
the
resources,
but
they
need
to
bring
more
people
with
disabilities
on
board.
G
G
B
No,
it's
it's
it's
just
where
we
happen
to
be
so.
I
want
to
go
back
to
to
the
point
I
think
I
heard
you
make,
which
was
we
have.
We
have
started
down
this
path
and
there's
been
a
good
bit
of
work
that
andrew
shared
with
the
board
on
improving
both
the
accessibility
standards
and
in
the
purchasing
standards,
making
sure
that
the
things
that
we're
bringing
on
board
say
to
replace
member
nova
have
appropriate
accessibility,
goals
and
frameworks.
B
Accessibility
and
inclusion
of
what
we're
developing
is
meeting
their
needs
and
extending
beyond
them
as
much
as
we
can.
I
do
want
to
be
sensitive
to
this
question
of
how
do
we
measure,
because
it
it's
very
easy
to
put
out
a
statement
that
says
you
support
x
and
then
do
nothing,
and
this
is
not
it's
kind
of
almost
worse
than
useless,
because
you're
setting
up
an
expectation
and
not
meeting
it.
B
B
L
So
if
I
understood
that
the
focus
now
will
be
efforts,
we
already
started,
it's
focused
on
the
output
of
iso
training
materials,
things
for
the
community
it
being
accessible
and
to
the
community
at
large.
That's
the
initial
focus
area
does
that
is
that
the
fair
enough,
as
opposed
to
the
actual
I
sock,
employed
base,
which
might
be
a
different
goal?
Maybe
it's
a
lie?
Maybe
it's
not
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
where
that
that
first
right.
B
And
the
the
point
of
that
is,
then
we
can
grow
the
non
employee,
the
the
volunteer
base
as
a
society,
to
include
more
people
with
different
challenges
and
therefore
have
their
experience
to
guide
us
both
in
how
we
continue
to
improve
isoc
and
how
we
then
might
create
additional
programs
to
serve
people
with
disabilities
as
specific
programs.
Clearly
they're
part
of
other
programs
because
of
intersectionality.
L
Yeah-
and
I
think
that
makes
sense
in
that
going
back
to
muhammad's
point-
is
that
would
build
the
most
controllable
part?
Is
the
one
you
do?
First,
you
learn
from
that.
You
understand
what
works,
what
doesn't
work?
We
use
that
as
experience
for
the
body
to
then
figure
out
what
are
the
next
set
of
goals
and
you
work
out
where
for
there
and
that
kind
of
goes
towards
the
building.
The
dna
right
is
that
anyway,
maybe
I
put
it
together
too
correctly.
Yeah.
M
In
my
point
of
view,
that's
what
is
asking
because
in
sri
lanka
we
do
the
pilot
program
on
accessible
internet,
accessible
web
pages,
so
most
of
the
people
they
requested
on
accessible,
like
with
the
accessibility
tools
on
the
web
pages.
So
we
have
been
training,
30
government
web
developers
to
create
the
accessible
websites.
M
M
E
Thank
you
and
luis.
Yes,
just
a
final
thought:
the
we
cannot
think
of
inclusion
in
any
sense,
if
we
don't
think
about
the
whole
organization,
imagine
we
cannot
have
a
accessible
website
for
the
information
iso
shares
and
having
a
non-accessible
services
inside
the
offices
in
in
the
us
or
in
switzerland.
E
Yes,
you
need
to
be
consistent
and
have
a
whole
thinking
which
is
very
complex
in
this
sort
of
organization,
because
we're
talking
in
a
global
organization,
non-profit
with
not
clear
frameworks,
the
and
essentially
where
this
is
our
chance
to
take
the
leadership
in
how
people
think
of
the
digital
future
of
people.
Yes,
because
as
itu
in
particular,
they
say.
Well
now,
people
with
disabilities
is
growing
up.
Yes
and
nobody
is
incorporating
policies
in
their
operations
according
to
that
part
of
the
future.
E
M
So,
in
my
point
of
view,
what
we
thought
was
as
an
initial
group,
so
in
the
policy
making
process,
we
should
include
these
people
with
disabilities,
so
otherwise
normal
people.
They
won't
feel
what
are
the
difficulties
they
are
facing,
especially
in
the
internet
arena.
So
so
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
We
have
to
make
initiatives
on
that.
Then
only
we
can
move
ahead.
B
Thank
you
and
and
channeling
muhammad's
comment
from
the
the
chat
measurements
should
be
done
by
following
standards.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
that's
the
case.
Let
me
thank
the
accessibility,
standing
group
and
muhammad
for
bringing
the
topic
to
the
board.
As,
as
you
know,
there
is
no
resolution
required,
but
I
feel
that
we've
come
to
a
better
understanding
and
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
went
into
it.