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Watch a one-hour virtual conversation about the Internet Way of Networking and the Internet Impact Assessment Toolkit that took place on 21 October 2020.
More information: https://www.internetsociety.org/intercommunity/2020/internet-way-of-networking/
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A
A
During
this
one
hour,
conversation
we'll
hear
from
our
community
members
who've
had
an
active
role
in
contributing
to
the
internet
impact
assessment
toolkit,
I
hope,
you're
as
excited
as
I
am
to
hear
from
our
amazing
panelists
later
on.
But
before
we
get
started,
I
will
remind
us
of
our
housekeeping
rules
if
you're
joining
these
calls.
If
you've
joined
this
course
before
you're,
probably
familiar
with
our
housekeeping
rules,
but
for
the
sake
of
new
members
I'll
just
go
through
this
quickly.
A
A
A
If
you
have
questions
in
french
and
spanish,
you
can
still
ask
those
questions
and
they
will
be
interpreted
for
you,
and
this
is
another
reminder
to
please
keep
your
microphone
on
mute
at
all
times,
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
fruitful
discussion
without
interruption
and
last,
but
definitely
not
least,
we'll
be
recording.
This
call
for
purposes
of
our
friends
who
are
not
able
to
join
us
today
and
the
recording
will
be
available
to
you
after
the
call
and
now
I'll
go
over
to
our
engagement
tool,
we'll
be
using
slido
engagement
tool
on
this
call.
A
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
very
much
evelyn.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Do
you
want
me
to
share
my
screen
for
the
slides
that
I
have
or
ashlyn
do
you
have
those
I
shouldn't?
Have
them
she's
good?
Thank
you,
everyone!
It's
so
nice
to
see
you
all!
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
participation
in
this.
B
B
B
It
basically
looks
at
what
takes
us
from
those
individual
networks
of
networks
and
makes
the
capital
I
internet
that
we
all
rely
on,
and
it
looks
at
the
fundamental
properties
that
have
made
it
successful,
and
so,
when
these
properties,
these
critical
aspects
of
the
internet's
foundation
are
under
threat.
So
too
are
the
opportunities
that
it
offers,
especially
as
the
opportunities
have
grown
during
the
time
of
cobit,
and
we
rely
on
it
so
much
more,
and
so
you
know
to
boil
it
down
without
this
internet
way
of
networking.
B
B
You
know
that
the
internet
society's
mission
is
to
ensure
that
the
internet
is
open
and
globally
connected
and
secure
and
trustworthy.
But
the
question
is
why
why
are
we
looking
at
that
version
of
the
internet
and
how
are
we
really
describing
that
internet
and
to
be
true
champions
of
the
internet,
the
capital?
I
network,
of
networks,
we
needed
to
understand
the
properties
that
are
so
critical
to
its
foundation
and
to
really
explain?
B
What's
underneath
it
all
so
having
this
uniform
vision
of
the
internet
way
of
networking
of
these
foundational
principles
or
these
foundational
properties
of
the
internet
will
help
us
both
as
internet
society,
staff
and
internet
society
community
to
analyze
changes
to
the
internet.
That's
everything
from
policy
to
technology,
to
look
at
the
things
that
are
both
positively
and
negatively,
impacting
the
way
that
the
internet
is
growing
and
expanding.
B
B
B
It
we
recognize
that
we
needed
some
sort
of
a
an
assessment.
We
needed
one
uniform
way
for
all
of
us
to
take
a
policy
or
to
take
a
technology,
development
and
say:
okay,
does
this
actually
impact
one
of
the
five
principles
of
the
internet's
foundation,
and
so
that's
how
this
toolkit
was
born,
and
it
really
should
be
a
tool
to
help
both
those
of
us
on
this
call,
but
also
policy
makers,
technologists
and
regular
internet
users
to
understand
how
decisions
and
trends
could
impact
the
internet.
B
So
this
will
help
all
of
us
through
a
series
of
tools,
and
I
hope
that
you've
seen
some
of
them
already,
but
there
this
will
include
everything
or
does
include
everything
from
introductory
videos
infographics
to
definitions
of
the
critical
properties,
use
cases
to
explain
how
this
is
already
happening.
Infographics
and
frequently
asked
questions,
and
I
think
one
way
to
think
about
this
is
similar
to
in
a
lot
of
countries.
If
you're
going
to
build
some
sort
of
a
new
complex,
a
new
apartment,
building
a
new
shopping
mall,
a
grocery
store.
B
What
have
you
you
have
to
do?
An
environmental
impact
assessment?
You
just
need
to
know,
what's
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
new
infrastructure
and
in
the
same
way
there
should
be
this
expectation
that
policymakers
and
technologists
actually
assess
the
impact
of
their
actions
on
the
internet's
infrastructure
and
that's
what
this
tool
is
for.
B
B
Hopefully
these
are
familiar
to
you
from
our
policy
development
process,
but
in
consultation
with
our
wider
community,
both
of
experts
working
on
these
things
and
our
chapter
members,
our
organizational
members
and
just
interested
advocates
in
this
space.
We
came
up
with
five
things
that
are
what
we
believe
to
be
the
core
of
the
foundation
of
the
internet,
and
we
want
to
express
to
the
importance
of
looking
at
it.
This
way,
it's
not
a
list.
It's
not!
You
know
you
need
to
have
the
first
one
and
then
the
second's
less
important.
B
B
There
are
use
cases
that
are
high
level
trends
case,
studies
that
look
at
specific
implementations
or
policies
and
then
additional
documents
like
those
analyses.
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
it's
our
hope
that
everyone
will
help
us
with
these
tools
in
the
toolkit.
Anyone
with
an
understanding
of
the
critical
properties
should
be
able
to
create
a
use
case
or
a
case
study,
and
they
should
be
able
to
follow
our
easy
guide
to
evaluate
policies
and
technologies,
along
with
the
people
that
are
actually
developing
them,
and
it's
our
hope
that
the
impact.
D
B
Will
be
that
both
our
chapter
members,
our
organizational
members
and
our
wider
community
can
use
this
toolkit
to
stress
test
positions
and
strengthen
their
existing
advocacy
work
and
it
will
provide
a
common
narrative
for
everyone
so
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
carl.
Thank
you
all.
E
Thank
you
very
much
katie
good
morning,
good
evening
good
afternoon
to
everyone,
it's
great
to
see
so
many
people
on
this
call
and
in
so
many
different
time
zones
together
with
katie.
I'm
one
of
the
product
leads
for
this
project,
I'm
located
in
in
geneva,
switzerland,
and
I'm
really
excited
about
today's
session,
where
we
will
have
three
presentations
from
our
community
that
have
already
taken
the
toolkit
and
put
it
to
work.
E
If
you
will-
and
this
is
really
exciting
for
us,
given
the
the
novelty
of
this
project
starting
the
initial
work
this
year
and
and
launching
it
as
recently
as
a
few
weeks
ago.
So
we're
really
excited
to
see
that
this
has
already
resonated
with
parts
of
our
community
and
the
people
have
contributed
to
the
formation
of
the
toolkit
and
also
putting
it
to
use,
and
the
presentations
today
will
will
range
from
across
the
world.
E
I
just
want
to
make
a
very
practical
note
of
how
we
will
run
this,
so
we
will
have
a
presentation
from
from
our
speakers
for
about
10
minutes,
and
then
we
will
have
questions
to
the
panelists,
but
we
will
only
keep
it
to
one
or
two
questions
before
the
next
speaker.
However,
we
are
collecting
the
questions
that
you
send
in
that
chat
separately
and
we
will
bring
it
back
into
the
conversation
in
the
general
q.
E
A
so
don't
worry
if
your
question
doesn't
get
raised
immediately
after
presentation,
we'll
pick
it
up
in
the
q
a
or
we'll
try
to
pick
it
up
in
the
q
a
and
with
that.
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
first
speakers,
and
this
is
a
relatively
new
organizational
member
with
the
internet
society,
the
foxy
institution,
we're
a
fushi
institution,
I'm
still
working
on
the
pronunciation.
E
I'm
hoping
my
colleagues
can
can
help
me
improve
over
time
and
they're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you
can
think
about
this
work
in
in
analyzing
change
and
with
us.
Today
we
have
olly
lou
who's,
the
academic
secretary
of
the
fuchs
institution,
also
a
deputy
secretary
general
of
guanxiao
cyber
forum
and
has
been
engaged
in
international
internet
discussions
for
many
years.
D
D
In
june
we
got
connected
with
iowan
project
and
it's
actually
a
very
good
timing.
Then
we
got
engaged
in
the
pdp
phase
of
I-1
2-kit
fusi
established
was
guided
by
many
internet
pioneers,
including
windsor,
and
today's
internet
is
much
more
completely
complicated
than
decades
ago.
We
are
in
the
age
of
transformation
technologies,
social
industry
structure
and
global
order
are
all
changing.
The
problem
is
development,
not
always
lead
us
to
a
better
world.
It
brings
opportunities,
but
also
challenges
to
the
internet.
D
We
need
development,
but
with
concerns
and
respect
to
certain
principles
to
persist
the
key
values,
so
that's
the
meaning
for
internet
weight
of
networking
and
in
that
sense,
fuji's
pursuing
has
a
lot
overlap
with
the
iowan
project.
Our
mission
is
to
bridge
digital
divides
and
eliminate
internet
fragments
by
promoting
connectivity.
D
D
So
how
do
we
view
the
internet
weight
of
networking?
First
of
all,
it's
definitely
necessary
to
identify
the
critical
property
of
the
internet,
boil
them
down
to
five
properties,
which
is
a
very
reasonable
numbers.
In
china
we
see
five
as
the
number
four
elementary
nature.
It
gives
the
i1
framework
a
stable
and
applicable
structure.
D
There
are
many
actioners
in
the
internet
when
you,
when
we're
using
the
internet
and
we
are
creating
and
empowering
from
the
iowan
framework,
we
got
the
meaning
of
how
the
five
properties
work
as
a
whole
when
we
look
into
each
specific
property,
they're
always
relate
to
a
certain
actioners
behind,
like
common
protocol,
provides
accessibility
and
that's
more
for
the
end
users.
Open
architectures
enables
interoperability
for
engineers
distributed.
Routing
system
reflects
decentralization
management
for
the
carriers
and
operators.
Common
global
identifier
allows
unification.
D
D
It's
also
important
for
to
give
action
a
full
picture
of
what
make
internet
become
the
internet
that
this
is
especially
important
for
internet
governance
to
have
the
properties
clearly
identified,
so
people
gain
conscious
and
understanding
about
what
must
be
avoided
in
policy-making
process
and
technology
development.
It's
necessary
to
set
rules
for
rules.
Regulations
should
respect
the
natures,
so
I
want
we
think
our
team
did
a
great
job
to
provide
a
solid
identification
on
critical
properties.
D
I
think
it's
also.
We
also
think
it's
a
good
educational
tools
for
the
public
to
realize
what
need
to
appreciate,
instead
of
taking
it
for
granted
next
slide,
please
in
the
pdp
phase
we
provide
some
commons
first
is
to
be
stronger
to
be
a
stronger
source
for
to
influence
the
policy,
making
it's
necessary
to
tell
what
benefits
with
the
five
properties,
but
also
needs
to
address
the
consequences
if
any
of
the
property
missing.
So
it's
two-sided
policy
makers
need
to
know
how
serious
the
impacts
are.
D
So
when
they
wait
between
factors,
they
could
be
more
rational
and
with
the
assessment
tool,
we
suggest
to
incorporate
storytelling
about
internet
design,
principles
from
the
very
beginning
so
give
us
some
history
about
the
internet.
Design
and
use
cases
need
to
be
more
specific
and
detailed
with
facts
and
numbers
that
will
be
helpful
to
get
applications,
and
I
will
leave
the
how
to
improve
parts
to
the
questions
next
slide.
Please
next
slide.
Please.
D
Please
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
we
put
some
efforts
in
promoting
the
two
kids
in
chinese
community.
The
day
at
launched,
we
published
the
news
on
our
website,
wechat
platform
and
other
public
media
and
on
august
7th,
when
isaac
published
a
statement
on
clean
network,
because
I
participated
in
iowa
project.
So
I
know
where
this
statement
comes
from.
I
know
its
value
and
importance
immediately.
I
translate
it
into
chinese
and,
with
a
I
put
a
short
remark.
D
D
D
D
F
Thanks
holly
thanks
everyone,
carl,
I
I
think
I
have
my-
I
probably
have
only
three
or
four
minutes,
so
I
I
will
make
it
quick.
The
first
slide
next
one
please.
Yes,
this
one,
this
one,
this
slide
is
about
a
systematically
regulated
networking
architecture.
In
china
I
mean
china
is
a
kind
of
a
you
know,
different
from
the
rest
of
the
world
regarding
the
internet
architecture,
but
we
have
to
be
aware
of
the
nature
behind
that
kind
of
governance
model.
F
Of
course,
there
are
some
other
smaller
national
wide
isps
and
a
more
local
network
accessing
service
providers,
but
only
the
three
ones
have
the
ability
of
bgp
broadcasting
or
forwarding
the
bgp
routing
to
the
internet
international
peers.
So
basically,
the
architecture
in
china
is
not
like
the
like
a
mess.
It's
not
a
mess,
but
more
like
multiple
stars,
though,
the
architecture
is
quite
different
from
the
other
part
of
the
internet.
The
chinese
internet
development,
you
know,
goes
pretty
well.
F
It
developed
at
a
rapid
speed
in
the
past
20
20
years
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
the
penetration,
the
the
the
netizen
citizenship
number
and
the
you
know
biggest
companies
we
provided
to
the
world,
the
the
the
number
are
pretty
good.
So
it
may
be
not
easy
to
tell
whether
the
existing
regulatory
rules
or
governance
model
will
harm
the
chinese
internet
in
the
long
run
a
list
of
so
far
the
digital
economy
in
china
goes
well.
F
F
For
the
past
2000
years,
china
has
been
a
centralized
empire
and
even
at
the
age
of
discovery,
when
europe
explored
the
world,
the
china,
the
chinese
dynasties,
the
ming
dynasty
and
qing
dynasty
enforce
the
very
strict
marine
time.
Prohibition
policy.
You
know
as
a
national
policy,
so
the
the
civil,
the
the
chinese,
local
civil
person,
civil
participation
and
import
and
exports
is
strictly
prohibited,
but
the
but
the
the
royal
merchants
are
allowed
to
trade
with
the
foreigners.
F
We
need
time
and
we
need
patience
to
talk
with
them,
talk
with
them
to
communicate
community
communicate
with
the
local
community
and
for
some
reason
it
is
very
pity
that
the
most
the
chinese
community
are
kept
out
of
the
eye
sock
for
some
reason-
and
this
is
very
lucky
for
fushi
institution-
that
we
sub
submit
the
application
and
it
get
accepted
by
the
isog
in
this
may.
So
we
will
do
our
best
to
to
to
improve
this
kind
of
communication
next
one
please.
F
Yeah,
that's
why?
So?
I
suppose
I
realized
that
the
eye
socket
published
its
reports
of
analysis
on
huawei's
new
ip
and
the
chinese
data
localization
in
this
report,
and
I
suppose
there
will
be
more
cases
that
deserve
studies
case
studies
like
rpki,
which
you
know
china.
China's
government
are
kind
of
afraid
of
the
rpqi-
will
bring
five
new
ip
rules
instead
of
the
dns
route.
So
there's
alternative
options
that
there
may
be
some
local
third-party
trusted
anchor
for
ip
addresses
and
in
the
next
year,
maybe
in
2021
or
2020.
F
F
They
were
probably
they're
interested
in
generating
a
new
identifier
using
the
dui
instead
of
using
the
domain
name.
So
these
are
all
good
case
studies,
so
fushi
institutions
are
willing
to
communicate
with
huawei
and
some
local
isps
on
these
case
studies
to
see.
If
we
can,
you
know,
generate
this
kind
of
local
case
studies
and
provide
the
local
opinion
to
isoc
the
next
one.
F
F
Google
facebook
twitter,
without
you
know,
without
using
any
vpn
directly
across
in
the
firewall,
but
just
after
one
day
it
disappears,
but
I
suppose
this
kind
of
apps
probably
will
become
a
common
tools
for
the
chinese
person
or
for
some
other
in
some
other
countries.
So
it
is
a
very
interesting
case
study,
because
this
kind
of
apps
do
does
not
violate
any
one
of
the
supply
principle,
but
it
you
know
it's
just
a
kind
of
a
tunnel,
a
tour
on
the
application
level.
So
what
so?
F
E
Thank
you
very
much
wei
and
oli
super
interesting
presentation.
Obviously
we
have
a
lot
of
requests
for
for
people
wanting
you
to
share
the
presentation
afterwards.
I
find
it
very
interesting
to
hear
also
about
the
the
cultural
background
that
might
play
into
understanding
the
chinese
internet
and
how
even
historical
issues
going
back
to
the
dynasties
can
be
a
factor
in
explaining
this
super
interesting.
I
had
a
standard
question
that
I
will
ask
all
panelists
and
I
think
ollie
touched
upon
this
briefly
about
suggested
improvements
to
the
toolkit.
E
I
think
you
brought
up
a
super
interesting
case
here
at
the
endway
and
and
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we're
hoping
to
learn
about
and
get
inspiration
from
and
have
others
help
progress.
The
thinking
on
would
you
would
you
care
to
expand
a
little
bit
also
on
on
other
issues
that
you
see
with
a
toolkit
that
can
be
improved
going
forward
and
that
perhaps
other
community
members
can
also
help
develop.
D
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
You
know
before
I
joined
fuji
institution.
I
worked
in
google
for
two
years
working
on
google
cloud.
Trying
to
you
know
improve
its
engagement
in
china,
so
I
talked
with
a
lot
of
googlers
and
about
yeah
out
of
reach,
the
chinese
network
and
the
global
network
we
talked
about.
We
talked
about
a
lot
about
technology,
about
policy
as
well
as
the
culture,
as
I
explained,
so
I
think
tuber
might
be
a
it,
be
a
trend.
F
F
F
So
if
the
tuber
will
you
know,
apparently
the
tuber
get
improvement
from
the
government
to
set
up
this
kind
of
access
channel
to
facebook
and
google.
So
at
one
hand
it
is
very
helpful
right.
It
helps
to
gr
to
to
build
the
to
help
the
local
people
to
see
the
world,
but
at
the
other
hand
there
are
some
invaded
censorship
mechanism
in
this
kind
of
application.
F
So
what
kind
of
what
can
we
evaluate
this
kind
of
application?
It
is
good
or
bad,
or
it's
not
a
simple
question
about
good
or
bad.
It
provides
value,
but
at
the
same
time
he
helps
the
censorship
of
the
government,
which
is
which
make
it
illegal
in
china,
inside
of
the
in
in
a
sovereignty,
but
maybe
in
some
other
countries
from
other
from
the
perspective
of
other
communities.
E
H
E
I
think
we
need
to
hold
it
for
later,
just
so
that
we
get
a
chance
to
go
through
the
presentations,
but
it
would
be
great
if
you
wanted
to
connect
back
to
to
what
we
was
discussing
now
as
well
sure
make
sure
that
we're
we're
getting
through
the
to
the
presentations
as
well.
Okay.
So,
while
I'm
introducing
the
next
next
speakers,
I
just
want
to
flag
that
we
do
have
a
poll
in
the
background
as
well
in
slido.
E
If
you
want
to
go
in
and
have
a
look,
but
we
will
now
be
moving
into
the
next
presentation
and
we
will
be
jumping
over
to
brazil,
where
we
will
have
a
presentation
from
our
brazilian
chapter
represented
by
professor
flavio,
wagner
who's.
The
president
of
the
brazil
chapter
flavio
is
a
professor
of
computer
science
and
engineering
at
the
federal
university
of
rio
grande
da
soul
in
portugal.
E
He
will
also
be
joined
today
by
professor
alexandre
pacheco
da
silva,
and
they
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
both
the
the
work
of
the
brazilian
chapter
in
feeding
input
to
the
toolkit
and
also
a
collaboration
that
they
have
between
the
brazilian
chapter
and
the
university
in
brazil.
So
I'll
hand
over
to
fabio.
C
So,
thank
you
very
much
carl
thank
you
for
inviting
us
to
this
contribution
to
this
inter-community
event.
So
the
idea
here
is
to
report
on
two
different
initiatives.
The
brazilian
chapter
of
the
internet
society
had,
with
regard
to
the
internet
impact
assessment,
toolkit
and
the
internet
way
of
networking
critical
properties.
C
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
first
initiative,
the
the
chapter
had
it's
because
of
the
relevance
of
the
internet
impact
assessment
toolkit.
We
decided
to
prepare
a
very
solid
contribution
from
the
chapter
itself
to
the
policy
development
process,
the
open
consultation
from
the
internet
society
regarding
the
the
toolkit.
C
C
So
next
slide
please
so
the
second
initiative
was
to
offer
an
online
open
course
on
the
internet,
way
of
networking
and
its
technical
policy
and
regulation
aspects
and,
of
course,
strongly
adapting
the
content
to
the
brazilian
reality
and
we
developed
a
partnership
with
the
jetulio
vargas
foundation,
a
very
important
academic
institution
in
brazil.
So
next
slide,
please.
C
C
I
Flavio
thanks,
if
you
can
move
for
the
next
right
perfect.
So
let
me
let
me
introduce
my
myself,
I'm
alejandra
pacheco
silva
and
I'm
a
law
professor,
at
sao,
paulo
school
official
vargas
foundation,
and
I
coordinate,
alongside
with
professor
marina
ferbaugh,
the
center
for
education
and
research
on
innovation,
research
unit
at
sao
paulo
school
dedicated
to
build
projects
that
can
foster
discussions
on
how
technology
and
innovation
processes
impact
society
and
what
should
be
an
adequate
response
of
the
legal
system
that
we
can
deal
with.
I
Locating
the
problems
that
we
can
see
on
the
internet
at
the
brazilian
context.
That's
why
this
online
course
is
strategic
for
the
sao
paulo
school
and
for
the
research
centers
that
professor
marina
and
I
coordinate,
and
when
we
look
about
the
topics
that
we
selected
for
the
course
we
have.
We
have
a
duty
to
fulfill
the
vision
of
the
research
center.
I
We
develop
projects
on
different
topics
and
with
different
sponsors,
for
example,
projects
in
inter
media
reliability,
encryption
in
data
security,
disinformation,
hate
speech,
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
when
we
think
about
these
research
projects,
we
have
a
challenge.
That
is
how
can
we
translate
things
that
we
discuss
in
an
academic
perspective
into
a
broader
community,
into
terms
that
everyone
could
engage
on
and
everyone
could
have
an
opinion
on.
I
So
this
specific
course
helped
us
to
translate
the
discussions
that
we
presented
in
our
reports
paper
into
an
open
discussion
during
classes
using,
for
example,
the
case
studies
that
this
project,
this
internet
society
project,
offer
us
to
at
least
discuss
in
some
level
and
to
deal
with
different
perspectives.
That,
in
our
view
and
for
the
first
two
classes,
we
learn
a
lot
from
them.
I
I
I
How
can
we
innovate
in
this
topic
in
online
courses,
and
we
decided
that
a
good
strategy
is
to
have
pre-recorded
interviews
with
experts
from
the
topic
of
the
class
which,
in
our
review,
work
it
as
a
mandatory
preparation
for
the
students,
and
we
mix
that
with
lectures
and
open
discussions
during
the
classes,
can
you
move
for
the
next
slide?
Please
thank
you.
I
So,
in
terms
of
the
students,
the
online
course
also
helped
us
to
expand
and
diversify
the
profile
of
the
students
that
we
have
in
our
courses
at
sao
paulo
law,
school
usually
restricted
to
large
students,
lawyers,
maybe
some
students
from
the
business
school
and
some
public
officials
in
different
areas,
mainly
concentrated
in
sao
paulo
and
near
cities.
This
online
course
allows
us
to
expand
to
other
states
and
have
people
from
different
backgrounds,
highlighting
the
participation
of
journalists,
computer
scientists,
political
scientists,
among
others.
I
We
had
179
candidates,
we
selected
36
students
from
different
states
balanced
in
terms
of
gender,
race
and
age.
We
also
added
14
undergrad
students
that
are
involved
in
projects
that
in
law
and
technology
field,
not
only
in
internet
governance,
but
we
actually
selected
students
with
different
other
fields
that
we
can
elaborate
on
that.
I
Especially,
how
can
we
explain
and
discuss
the
five
main
critical
properties
of
the
the
internet
and
it,
and
it
is
also
strategic
for
us,
because
it
strengthens
our
position
as
a
research
center
in
brazil,
and
this
partnership
is
essential
to
provide
us
the
opportunity
and
the
means
to
expand
the
number
of
stakeholders
that
we
can
be
being
touched
with
and
therefore,
to
end
up
my
speech
here.
I
think
professor
flavio
wagner
diego
carabao
and
paula
corchiao
for
the
involvement
and
contribution
this
course.
I
E
Thank
you
very
much
alexandra.
It's
super
interesting
and
encouraging
presentation
and
the
interests
that
have
been
in
the
course
we're
running
a
little
bit
over
time.
I
it
it's
it's
frustrating
because
I
think
each
one
of
these
presentations
deserves
a
full
session
on
their
own
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
discuss
for
each
one
of
them.
I
want
to
move
along
just
in
the
in
the
agenda
to
allow
for
our
next
speaker
to
to
present
as
well.
E
I
am
hoping
that
people
can
stay
over
a
little
bit
and
because
we
will
run
over
the
hour
potentially
so
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
stay
over
and
and
we
can
have
the
follow-up
discussions
as
well
and
potential
q
and
a's
for
for
the
participants
but
I'll
move
directly
to
to
our
next
speaker,
who
is
dustin,
luke
who's,
the
executive
director
of
the
internet
society
chapter
in
washington
dc.
Who
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
work
that
they've
done
and
how
they've
used
the
toolkit
in
their
advocacy.
G
G
G
I
think
they're
on
point.
But
how
do
we
take
those
five
questions
and
produce
a
case
study
that
doesn't
require
too
much
more
more
reading?
How
can
we
kind
of
put
that
all
in
one
package-
and
I
suspect
that
we're
going
to
get
very
proficient
at
this?
You
know
this.
This
is
a
trend,
that's
happening
across
the
world
and
in
the
us
there's
an
increasing
amount
of
government
action
against
tech
companies.
That's
going
to
impact
the
critical
properties
of
the
internet's
foundation
and
that's
regardless
of
how
our
election
turns
out.
G
Unfortunately,
I
think
we're
also
dealing
with
issues
in
which
the
consequences
are
not
necessarily
unintended.
So
that's
another
front
that
we
have
to
engage
on,
but-
and-
and
you
know
we
look
forward
to
using
this
toolkit
and
encouraging
others
both
in
within
the
internet
society
and
outside
of
it
to
use
this
as
they
are
considering
their
actions.
G
I
don't
have
a
lot
more.
I
know
that
we're
at
time
I
mean,
I
think.
The
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
touch
on
earlier
when
I
chimed
in
was
just
that.
I,
I
think,
that's
an
important
point
in
creating
a
bridge
between
the
ideal
reality
and
the
social
reality,
and
it
got
me
thinking
about
the
way
that
the
toolkit's
currently
framed
is
how
does
a
proposed
law
decision
or
trend
potentially
harm
the
internet?
Well,
what
about
the
other
way
around?
How?
G
How
does
that
proposed
law
or
decision
or
trend
potentially
benefit
or
strengthen
the
foundation
of
the
internet?
And
how
can
we
use
that
as
champions
for
the
internet
to
to
guide
our
work
in
a
positive
way
and
and
to
articulate
the
value
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
within
our
chapter
and
to
the
internet
society
and
just
the
broader
community
so
I'll
end
there?
I
I'm
happy
to
stick
around
for
a
discussion.
I
know
we're
at
time,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
over
with
any
official
remarks.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
dustin
and
and
just
a
flag.
As
we
mentioned
before
dustin's
presentation,
we
we
will
be
running
a
little
bit
over
if
you're
available
to
stay.
That
would
be
greatly
appreciated
if
there
are
follow-up
questions
and
and
further
discussions
about
this
work,
I
don't
see
any
questions
in
the
chat
right
now
for
the
for
the
speakers.
E
C
So
I
thought
we
are
very
happy
about
the
the
five
critical
properties
that
we
have.
We
suggested
that
maybe
two
or
one
main
characteristic
of
the
internet
is
not
entirely
directly
reflected
by
the
the
five
properties,
which
is
that
the
internet
implements
end-to-end
communication
and
the
intelligence
is
mostly
pushed
to
the
edges
of
the
of
the
network.
C
So
this
is
this
characteristic
is
neither
explicitly
expressed
by
the
five
critical
properties
that
have
been
defined
or
not
automatically
derived
from
them.
So
this
is
something
that
we
thought
it
could
be
better
expressed
by
by
the
properties,
maybe
together
with
on
one
of
the
properties
or
as
an
additional
property
on
the
toolkit
itself.
We
think
that
for
for
for
most
internet
users
and
policy
makers
which
are
not
technologists,
they
are
not
so
much
interested
in
architectural
issues.
C
So
I
think
that
the
assessment
of
the
impact
of
the
five
critical
properties
on
those
other
properties
that
are
really
perceived
by
the
users
could
be
something
interesting
that
could
be
added
to
the
toolkit
as
an
additional
document.
So
these
are
two
of
the
contributions
we
gave
in
our
during
the
pdp.
E
Thanks
for
you-
and
I
I
fully
understand
what
you
mean
with
the
end-to-end
principle,
not
being
explicitly
expressed
in
the
toolkit.
I
think
we
it's
sort
of
implicit
in
there
in
some
of
the
citations.
We
have
there,
for
example,
but
it's
a
good
comment,
because
it's
it's
something
that
is
a
recognizable
concept
for
many
people
as
well,
the
end-to-end
principle
about
keeping
the
intelligence
at
the
networks.
E
On
your
on
your
second
comment-
and
I
think
this
might
be
a
good
bridge
over
to
what
both
ollie
and
dustin
was-
was
mentioning
about
the
impact
on
other
properties
that
are
important
in
the
internet,
that
in
some
in
some
instances
you
could
articulate
them
as
social
dimensions
of
the
internet,
for
example,
if
it's
a
trustworthy
nature
of
it
or
other
aspects
of
it.
So
I
wanted
to
go
over
to
to
dustin
to
sort
of
continue
on
to
that
discussion
about.
E
G
There's
not
a
lot
of
that
being
said.
There's
not
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
our
members
to,
I
guess
meaningfully,
contribute
to
time
security
right,
and
I
think
that
this
internet
way
of
networking
is
a
good
way
to
take
the
focus
on
the
issues
that
we
care
about,
whether
they
be
economic,
focused,
trade,
focused
focused
on
content,
moderation
or
any
of
these
things
and
articulate
why
the
work
that
we
are
doing
is
important
for
these
fundamental
principles
of
the
internet
and
show
why
it
has
a
place
within
the
internet
society.
G
G
These
are
relevant
issues
for
us,
and
then
the
chapters
can
ultimately
create
this
pipeline,
where
we
are
helping
create
that
bridge
by
providing
local
expertise
on
these
different
issues
that
if
we
ignore
due
to
the
lack
of
an
inherent
impact
on
the
internet,
I
believe
it
will
have
an
ultimately
be
harmful
for
the
principles
within
the
internet
way
of
networking,
because
the
people
that
care
about
all
of
all
of
these
issues
aren't
going
to
care
about
the
infrastructure.
If
it's
impacting
them
negatively,
you
know
we,
the
the
rhetoric,
is
going
to
be
powerful.
G
There
are
some
formidable
forces
kind
of
focused
on
regulating
the
internet
and,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
not
necessarily
with
unintended
consequences
but
intended
ones,
and
so
I
think
that
using
it
in
the
positive
direction
so
like,
how
is
our
work
contributing
to
you
know?
Strengthening
the
foundation
of
the
internet
could
lead
to
to
building
that
bridge
and
I'd
be
interested
to
to
hear
from
ollie
and
way
about
their
thoughts
on
that
as
well.
D
D
D
E
Wait:
yep
yeah,
thank
you
very
much
ollie
and
just
to
touch
upon
what
you
and
dustin
was
mentioning
in
in
terms
of
sort
of
further
use
cases
and
I
think
importantly,
positive
cases
that
can
illustrate
how
something
might
strengthen
and
work
in
favor
of
the
critical
properties
and
the
i1
model.
And
this
toolkit
is
something
that
we're
super
interested
in
going
forward
in
identifying
those
cases,
because
it
shouldn't
just
be
a
lens
of
of
looking
at
bad
stuff
and
should
be
able
to
have
a
positive
outlook
as
well
and
how
we're
strengthening
things.
E
And
it's.
It's
really
encouraging
to
hear
that
that
this
is
being
thought
about,
and
we
really
encourage
people
that
have
ideas
for
what
they
could
look
like.
Those
use
cases
or
those
cases
to
submit
ideas.
And,
as
you
mentioned,
all
the
the
endpoint
goal
here
is
that
we
would
have
community
generated
content
around
this.
That
accomplished
the
toolkit.
That
does
these
analyses.
E
I
see
we
have.
We
have
a
question
from
richard
hill
in
the
chat
which
is
about
a
comment
he
made
and
richard.
I
will
ask
you
to
jump
in
and
present
that
question
in.
In
just
a
minute
and
I'll
ask
you
to
be
relatively
short,
but
before
we
go
to
richard.
I
just
wanted
to
go
to
alexandre,
to
ask
about
this
bridge
between
the
the
toolkit
and
the
and
the
social
side
and
how
you've
experienced
that
in
the
in
the
coursework
that
you
guys
been
working
with
and
with
the
students.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
carl.
It's
a
a
huge
challenge,
because
if
we
want
a
classroom
full
of
people
with
different
backgrounds,
we
need
you
to
deal
with
a
common
language
that
we
can
actually
address.
Topics,
and
I
agree
fully
with
professor
flavio
when
he
mentioned
that
people
perceive
things
regarding
the
internet
and
regarding
topics
on
the
internet
differently,
and
you
need
to
actually
establish
a
common
ground
to
start
to
discuss.
I
What
is
the
problem
and
what
should
we
do
with
the
problem?
If
we
have
a
problem
like
that,
for
example,
we
have
a
lot
of
discussions
regarding
security,
privacy
and
encryption.
When
we
think
about
those
topics,
we
need
to
establish
a
common
ground,
because
people
start
to
talk
about
those
topics,
but
people
perceive
the
things
in
a
technical
perspective
in
a
legal
perspective
and
in
other
topics
in
a
different
manner.
I
E
Thank
you
very
much
alexandra.
I
wanted
to
go
to
to
to
richard
with
your
question
that
I
know
was
directed
to
all
of
the
panelists,
and
I
will
ask
you
to.
I
think
you
can
invite
yourself
and
ask
the
question
directly
and
sort
of
sum
up
the
comments
that
you
had
in
the
question
that
you
had
to
the
panelist
I'll
ask
you
to
keep
it
very
short
just
so
that
we
can
get
to
other
questions
in
the
chat
as
well.
Richard,
yes,.
H
Thank
you
very
much.
Carl
you've
heard
this
many
times,
so
you
know
exactly
what
it's
about.
I
posted
several
comments
in
the
chat,
which
I
think
are
all
questions
now.
Would
you
agree
with
me
I'll
just
focus
on
one
and
it's
the
one.
I
call
be
careful
not
to
do
the
category
error
so,
for
example,
dustin.
I
don't
think
you
can
criticize
the
ban
on
tick
tock
on
the
basis
of
the
critical
properties.
I
agree.
The
ban
on
tick
tock
is
nonsense
and
it's
evil
and
it
shouldn't
be
there.
H
But
let
me
give
an
example:
if
an
app
is
being
used
to
disseminate
mostly
used
disseminate
child
abuse
material,
then
surely
it
should
be
banned
and
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
critical
properties.
So
we
have
to
be
careful.
You
know
the
fact
that
something
is
technically
possible
does
not
mean
that
we
want
it.
The
example
I
always
use
is
cars
can
go
at
200
kilometers
an
hour,
but
we
still
have
speed
limits.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
about
that
now.
H
I
do
agree
that
when
you
have
a
policy,
you
should
try
to
figure
out
if
it's
going
to
have
an
unwanted
effect
on
the
infrastructure,
and
I
would
agree
with
you
dustin.
You
should
also
look
if
it
has
an
intended
effect
on
the
infrastructure
and
then
criticize
that
intended
effect,
which
I
agree
with.
You
was
the
case
with
thick
cloud.
It
was
not
unintended,
it
was
intended
and
we
should
criticize
the
intent.
Also
thanks
carl
for
giving
me
a
couple
of
minutes.
G
G
G
That's
used
by
you
know
billions
of
users
as
their
fundamental
way
to
communicate
with
people
placing
bands
of
that
magnitude
on
services
that
perform
so
many
functions,
I
think,
is
a
little
bit
different
than
blocking
an
individual
site.
That's
providing
child
abuse
material
and
I
think
that
the
impacts
of
kind
of
implementing
a
ban
like
that
likely
has
more
impact
than
the
you
know.
The
kind
of
one-off
bands
of
particular
sites
and
things
like
that.
E
So
it's
not
always
about
the
the
outcome
and
the
intent.
It's
it's
how
you
go
about
enforcing
those
policies.
That
could
be
the
issue
with
that.
I
wanted
to.
I
know
that
we
only
have
a
few
minutes
left
and
I
see
a
few
comments
and
questions
in
the
chat
that
I
think
are
are
quite
interesting
and
one
of
them.
E
I
think
it's
directed
to
all
of
the
panelists
but
I'll
see
if
someone
wants
to
jump
in
and
take
it,
it's
from
zhao
are
never
susu
and
asking
about
how
does
the
toolkit
strengthen
individual
inclusion
into
the
internet
and
its
ecosys
system
and
related
aspects?
Do
you
see
how
the
do
you
see
a
link
for
the
sort
of
individual's
role
in
the
internet
when
you
think
about
the
toolkit.
C
So
this
is
some
basic
asset
so
that
more
networks
from
all
over
the
world
connect
easily
to
the
internet
that
we
do
not
need
some
centralized
permission
to
do
that
that
we
also
can
offer
new
services
that
are
available
for
citizens
around
the
world.
So
these
things
are
very
important
for
inclusion,
that
we
have
an
open
internet
for
offering
information
regarding
different
cultures,
different
societies
and
and
so
on.
So
the
the
openness
of
the
internet
is
essential
property
regarding
inclusion
of
people
and
communities.
E
Sure
you
flavio,
we
had
another
set
of
questions
also
and
I'll,
actually
summarize
them
into
the
the
question
about
cyber
security
and
and
and
ask
the
panelists.
If
someone
wants
to
pick
this
up
but
effectively,
a
lot
of
the
questions
were
related
to
how
to
address
cyber
security
issues,
and
I
know
that
we've
discussed,
for
example,
some
of
the
gaps
in
the
toolkit
and
not
tying
it
between
some
of
the
technical
aspects
and
the
social
aspects,
but
perhaps
throwing
that
out.
E
There's
question
to
the
panelists:
if
they
see
a
opportunity
with
a
toolkit
asset
exists
today
to
think
about
cyber
security,
or
if
that
is
one
of
the
gaps.
How
could
we
address
that
gap
in
terms
of
factoring
in
security
issues
in
the
analysis
I'll
see?
If
someone
wants
to
try
to
respond
to
that,
and
I'm
looking
at
way
might
be
interested
as
he
was
nodding
along,
but
putting
it
out
there
to
see
if
any
of
our
panelists
wants
to
give
it
a
go.
C
C
So
maybe
it's
a
kind
of
use
cases
we
can
develop
trying
to
to
to
build
this
relationship
between
those
basic
architectural
features
that
are
reflected
by
the
five
critical
properties
and
other
features
we
want
to
see
at
internet,
such
as
security
or
trustee
worthiness,
because
if
we
remember
security
was
not
one
of
the
main
architectural
features
by
the
fathers
of
the
internet
when
the
internet
was
conceived
45
50
years
ago.
So
it's
something
that
has
been
brought
afterwards
in
different
ways,
but
not
at
if
level
of
the
infrastructure.
C
So
it's
mostly
something
that
we
are
worried
about
at
the
application
level
and
the
service
level.
So
that's
something
really
interesting
to
to
to
study.
So
if
you
can
build
a
bridge
between
those
five
critical
properties
and
the
other
features,
this
thing
things
that
have
been
called
here:
the
social
aspects
of
the
internet.
How
can
we
bridge
those
those
two
different
worlds
and
and
and
see
if
there
is?
Can
be
some
connection
between
the
five
critical
properties
and
those
other
properties
that
end
users
expect
from
from
the
internet?.
E
E
E
So
what
we're
doing
in
2021
is
we
we
want
to
progress
this
work
together
with
the
community
and
progress
it
along
the
lines
that
have
been
raised
today,
for
example
the
gaps
in
the
toolkit.
How
do
you
map
social
issues
back
to
these
technical
properties?
How
can
we
expand
and
figure
out
lenses
for
connecting
the
dots
between
cyber
security
and
these
critical
properties?
E
E
So
if
you
are
interested
in
being
a
closer
part
in
this
work,
please
send
an
email
to
katie
or
myself
and
yeah
flag
that
and
we
will
reconnect
in
early
2021
with
those
who
that
have
expressed
interest.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
for
joining
today.
I
greatly
appreciate
the
input
from
our
presenters
big,
thank
you
for
joining
and
presenting
your
work,
greatly
appreciated
it,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
today.
Evelyn
do
you
have
any
final
words.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
just
really
want
to
thank
everyone
for
staying
on
until
this
time.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
we've
noted
all
the
questions
that
were
unanswered,
we'll
get
back
to
the
project
leads
and
get
those
responses
and
we'll
send
them
back
to
you.
So
thank
you.
So
much
we'll
also
send
a
post-production
recording
that
will
be
sent
through
the
email
that
you
receive
after
the
call.
So
you
receive
that
from
us
thanks
again
for
the
session,
and
we
wish
you
the
very
best
of
your
day
thanks
everyone.