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A
Hooray
everybody
for
yet
another
week
of
town
hall,
all
catalyst
all
the
time.
This
week,
I'm
really
I'm
really
honored
to
have
rob
grigg,
as
our
one
of
our
cohort
presenters
rob
rob
has
been.
Rod
has
been
with
us
really
really
since
the
since
the
start,
I
think,
since
fun,
I
really
found
one
yeah
yeah
back
in
august
since
found
one,
and
I
had
a
lot
of
chances
to
interact
with
him
throughout
that
you
know,
and
not
only.
A
He
really
was
one
of
the
people
who
really
helped
form
this
program,
but
he's
basically
like
a
fountain
of
creativity
and
getting
things
done
in
in
a
way.
That's
like
unprecedented,
so
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
rob
and
I
think
thanks
to
thanks
to
that,
that
kind
of
energy.
He
also
is
one
of
one
of
the
funded
proposals
for
funds3.
A
So
I'm
really
really
happy
to
really
really
happy
to
to
to
come
to
this
moment
where
you
can
present
his
work
and
rob.
I
want
you
to
share
with
us.
The
like
welcome,
welcome
us
to
the
town
hall.
B
Yes,
welcome
everyone
to
the
experiment.
Things
may
break,
they
may
lack.
Documentation
differ
greatly
between
iterations
disorient
overload
and
even
inspire.
B
B
Okay,
so
a
little
bit
about
myself
I'll
just
leave
this
here,
so
you
can
read
so
I
started
programming
when
I
was
11
on
the
zx
spectrum
back
in
1984
in
basic.
I
can
speak
as,
as
they
say,
lots
of
different
languages,
visual
basics,
c
c,
sharp
java
javascript
the
whole
lot.
B
I
seem
to
pick
up
languages
quite
quickly.
I
learned
php.
In
two
weeks,
I've
worked
with
all
kinds
of
technology:
sms,
bluetooth,
qr
codes,
360.,
always
looking
for
the
next
gen
of
technology
or
infrastructure
to
work
with.
I've
worked
with
large
corporations,
the
police
force,
nhs,
digital
and,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
enjoy
doing
apart
from
working
with
data,
is
working
with
teams
and
building
teams,
and
that's
a
little
quote
there
that
I've
put.
I
don't
want
to
change
the
world.
B
I
just
want
to
change
my
world
and
that's
always
been
my
philosophy
from
from
day.
One
really
next
slide,
please
so
this
this
project
this.
This
was
inspired
by
a
video
that
charles
did
call
the
island,
the
ocean
and
the
pond,
and
I
sit
very
firmly
in
the
ocean
and
my
proposal
that
got
funded
is
to
be
built
on
visual
studio,
which
hopefully
I'll
I'll
I'll
get
to
a
demo
of
now
and
yes
before
I
do.
I
just
want
to.
I
give
the
kudos
like
we
do
to
everyone.
B
I
mean
the
support
that
I've
had
from
from
day
one
with
within
cardano,
with
with
all
the
the
original
50
ogs
that
includes
door,
steve
boone,
andrew
dan,
maria
everyone,
I'm
also
inspired
by
the
wider
community,
including
charles
himself,
big
cake,
a
big
pay,
sorry
kaizen,
krypto,
eva,
even
patrick,
for
nft
makers,
five
binaries
block
fraud.
The
list
honestly
goes
on
the
next
slide.
Please,
oh
sorry,
go
go
back
a
slide
yeah.
So
so,
if,
if
I
can
quickly
do
the
demos
is
that
okay
yeah
sure
go
for.
B
Break
push
so
hopefully
you
can.
You
can
see
that
screen
so
so
this
demo
today
is
going
to
be
in
visual
basic.
I
will
be
moving
this
over
to
to
c-sharp,
so
the
this
is
the
the
catch-22
I
had
at
the
start
of
this
project
was:
am
I
going
to
build
using
the
the
command
line
interface,
or
am
I
going
to
start
using
the
api?
B
And
so
I
didn't
really
know
where,
to
start
and
and
out
of
the
blue,
I
received
an
email
from
from
big
pay
actually
and
he
was
promoting
the
block
frost
api
and
it
was
like
wow.
Let
me
just
try
and
integrate
this.
So
so
a
lot
of
this
is
built
using
that
api
and
it's
also
the
same
api
that
is
used
for
the
let's
click
on
here.
B
B
I
can
see
all
the
transactions
that's
happened
on
here
and
also,
if
I
click
on
them,
I
can
see
you
know,
there's
some
cardanos
here
and
then
there's
some
special
information
that
happened
with
this
and
it
turns
out
that
this
transaction
actually
was
for
an
nft,
and
I
can
see
the
track,
the
nft
change
in
place
and
it's
actually
a
spacebuds
one
and
I
can
see
there
was
an
additional
one
and
then
yeah
like
I
said
I
was
watching
a
kaizen
crypto
interview
with
nft
maker,
and
they
had
this
really
interesting
website
where
he
polls
here's
his
website.
B
He
pulls
the
the
cardano
blockchain
and
brings
down
all
the
latest
nfts,
and
I
was
thinking
you
know.
This
would
be
a
really
good
challenge
to
see
if
I
could
use
the
api
use
my
code
and
and
see
if
I
can
replicate
that
and
I'm
not
joking
you
within
20
minutes.
I
created
this
little
button
here
that
says
nft
gallery
and
then
this
code
is
is
in
real
time.
This
is
now
pulling
the
network,
I'm
bringing
down
just
the
images
the
nfts.
B
And
you
will
have
all
this
code
so
so
this
was
not
anything
that
I
intended
to
start
off
by,
but
I
mean
this
was
just
way
too
tempting
just
just
to
go
in
and
build
this,
so
so
now
that
I
can
understand
all
the
ipfs
and
how
we're
currently
using
it,
obviously
that
this
code
will
will
change
over
time
as
as
smart
contracts
go,
live
on
the
network,
so
so
yeah.
I
will
bring
this
up
today.
B
You
will
have
all
this
code,
there's
ipfs
in
here,
so
this
will
show
you
how
to
to
upload
images
to
ipfs
or
when
you're
ready
to
create
your
nfts
and
then
built
in
here
as
well.
I
also
have
a
little
command
line
interface
that
I
have
just
actually
started
to
play
with,
but
I
did
have
to
download
the
whole
blockchain.
B
The
only
frustrations
I'm
having
with
this
is
is
a
lot
of
the
information.
That's
out
there
at
the
moment.
All
the
current
videos
they've
got
a
lot
of
command
lines
in
that
no
longer
exists,
and
so
the
car
data
code
and
the
command
line
interface
in
particular,
has
moved
on
leaps
and
bounds.
But
there's
a
lot
of
old
documentation,
so
sometimes
it's
best
to
have
no
documentation
the
wrong
documentation,
but
you
know
I'm
getting
through
this.
B
You
will
have
all
this
code
and
everything
will
be
up
to
date
and
I
think
here's
some
more
code
at
the
moment.
I
restricted
it
to
six,
so
this
is
returning
back.
I
mean,
let's
return,
turn
back
20..
This
is
bringing
back
20
state
pools.
B
I
can
now
also
bring
back
20
state
pools
that
are
retiring.
Just
so
happens.
We
don't
have
20
stables
that
are
retiring
at
the
moment,
so
we
can
see
these
are
retiring
and
we
can
see
some
that
are
retired
and
I
know
the
old
they're,
the
old
girl
and
you
can
see
how
quick
it
is
this.
This
is
literally
going
via
the
the
block
frost.
Api
straight
onto
the
cardana
comes
back
down
here,
and
you
can
get
this
up
and
running
within
within
a
few
minutes
of
of
downloading
this
code.
B
A
B
B
A
You're,
like
we
can
hear
you
yeah,
so
I
just
have
one
question
for
you
rob
so,
yes
for
all
the
people
who
are
not,
you
know,
like
super
in-depth,
you
know,
and
on
the
technology
side
yeah.
How
would
you,
how
would
you
explain
to
just
a
normal
person
like
like
a
casual
person
this
this
kind
of
integration
like
so
this
is
for
this
is
for
developers
they're
using
visual
studio
like
how
would
you
frame
it.
B
So
the
the
I
think,
like
charles
outlined,
the
majority
of
of
developers
in
that
develop
with
with
dotnet
on
on
the
microsoft
suite
they're,
either
developing
in
visual
basic
or
in
particular
with
c-sharp.
So
so
this
this
is
the
the
key
area
that
that
this
code
would
be
used
by
and
yeah.
I
I
would
say
you
know:
there's
there
is
millions
of
developers
that
fall
into
this
category.
B
They
would
just
download
the
code
with
github,
which
will
literally
just
one
line
of
code
within
visual
studio,
and
then
they'll
immediately
be
able
to
launch
this
code.
Look
into
the
into
the
various
code,
the
bits
of
bits
of
demos
that
I've
produced
here
and
then
when,
when
they've,
you
know
excited
as
I
am
playing
around
them.
I'm
building
all
these
things
then.
Hopefully
they
will.
B
That
will
then
encourage
them
to
to
look
into
the
to
the
technology
further
and
and
then
they'll
start
be
building
their
own
building
their
own
interfaces
and
everything.
A
Okay
rob
this
was.
I
have
to
say
that
I
think
that
I
know
you
had
a
lot
more
slides
you
you
want,
you
wish
to
present,
but
we're
kind
of
out
of
time,
but
you
know
I
think
that
demo
was
more
than
enough
to
really
show
show
the
progress
you've
made
and-
and
I
think
the
fact
that
you're
basically
opening
the
door
for
millions
of
developers
that
can
now
interface
with
cardano
in
such
a
simple
way
is
simply
phenomenal.
A
Yeah.
So
really
really
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
I
think
one
one
thing
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
we
have
here
is
yeah.
Just
show
this
slide
because
yeah
you
can
see
you
can
see
rob's
a
telegram
and
email
and
I
think
everybody
who's
working
on
who
thinks
he
would
be
interested
in
in
using
this
like.
A
If,
if
there's
any
any
developer
that
wants
to
use
this
contact
trouble,
you
know
it
can,
he
can
hook
you
up
and
absolutely
and
of
course
people
want
to
collaborate
with
you
and
you're,
an
extremely
collaborative
person
so
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
him,
and
that's
it.
It's
been
a
joy
enjoy
hosting
you
rob.
Thank
you
so
much
thanks
very
much.
A
Okay,
so
for
the
next
stop
for
for
next
presenter,
we
have
kyle
and
kyle
is
can't
join
us,
but
he
made
the
video
so
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna
share
that
video
one
second.
C
And
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
cardano
sharp.
It
is
a
catalyst,
fun.
Three
proposal
that
I
put
forward
that
I
think
can
help
us
bring
net
to
the
cardano
blockchain
a
little
bit
about
me.
My
name
is
kyle
johns.
I
am
a
net
developer
with
over
10
years
experience.
I've
worked
for
startups
and
I've
worked
for
enterprise
companies.
I
am
very
passionate,
about.net
and
cardano,
and
I'm
really
excited
about
this
type
of
library
that
can
bring
them
together.
C
C
First,
what
is
cardano
sharp
simply
put.
It
is
a.net
library
that
allows
developers
to
read
and
write
on
the
cardonal
blockchain.
We
can
accomplish
this
with
two
pieces
of
the
library.
First
is
the
cardano
sharp
db?
Sync
developers
can
use
either
dapper
or
ef
core
to
quickly
connect
to
a
database
that
is
generated
by
the
cardanodb
sync.
Binary.
C
C
Second,
why
even
build
cardano
sharp
to
talk
about
this?
Let's
discuss
what
dot
net
brings
to
the
table.
There
are
four
main
aspects
that
I
like
to
focus
on
when
talking
about
the
subject
developers,
there
are
estimated
over
5
million
dotnet
developers
and,
depending
on
where
you
look
you'll
realize
I'm
being
conservative.
There
are
numbers
out
there
that
are
in
the
6
and
7
millions
cross
platform
with
net.
We
can
build
on
web
mobile,
desktop
and
even
games.
C
Integration.
Dot
net
is
always
a
top
contender
for
support
when
it
comes
to
interacting
with
e-commerce
platforms
such
as
shopify
or
social
media
likes
facebook
and
twitter,
and
even
payment
gateways
like
paypal
when
it
comes
to
enterprise.
If
a
larger
company
wants
to
build
on
cardano,
we
want
libraries
out
there
that
are
going
to
make
it
easy
for
them
to
get
up
and
running
third
making
it
easy
for
developers.
We
need
to
remove
the
friction,
so
we
can
get
up
and
moving
quickly.
C
For
the
experiment,
this
is
my
idea
on
how
we
can
invite
challenge
and
incentivize
developers
of
all
skill
levels
to
get
involved
and
help
shape
this
library,
I've
talked
to
dot-net
developers
who
have
never
heard
of
cardano
and
people
who
want
to
learn.net
who
have
been
with
cardano
since
the
beginning.
These
people
can
help
shape
where
this
library
goes
and
where
dot
net
fits
in
this
ecosystem.
C
So
my
idea
is
invite
as
many
developers
I
say
net,
but
ultimately,
all
skill
levels
are
invited.
So
if
you're,
not
even
a
net
developer,
you're
invited,
I
think
any
developer
can
pickup.net.
You
know
c
sharp
and
get
coding.
The
challenge
is
to
build
and
share
a
project
using
this
library
and
incentivizing.
C
This
is
a
little
bit
different.
So
what
I'm
thinking
is
we
can
put
together
a
contest
in
the
gimbal
labs
community
and
as
a
community,
we
can
vote
on
what
app
we
think
either
provides
the
best
use
case
or
leverages
the
library
the
best,
and
these
winners
can
receive
ada
for
their
participation.
C
Contact,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
and
ask
me
questions
or
give
me
ideas
or
just
say
you
want
to
be
involved:
here's
my
email,
twitter
and
that
discord
leak
link,
I
will
make
sure,
is
in
the
description,
so
you
can
click
it,
but
ultimately
yeah.
This
is
while
an
overview
of
what
this
library
is
aiming
to
bring
to
the
cardano
community.
It's
also
a
invitation
for
anyone
who
wants
to
be
involved,
participate
or
just
help
shape
where
we're
going.
So
thanks
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
building
with
everybody.
A
A
Wow
wow,
that
was
incredible.
I
love
the
I
love
both
the
technical
execution,
but
also
having
this
vision
of
how
to
how
to
then
grow
it
and
using
the
blockchain
and
using
ada,
and
I
don't
know
it's
it's.
Thank
you
so
much
kyle.
This
was
a
very
high
quality
video
presentation
and
I
think
we
all
have
a
very
clear
idea
about
the
progress
here
and
I
don't
know
just
like
it's
really
exciting.
Just
for
me
to
to
see
how
advanced
these
proposals
are.
A
What
how
where
where
are
we
gonna
be
in
six
six
months
from
now,
for
example
like
with
with
with
this
kind
of
with
this
kind
of
cohort?
It's
it's
really
amazing
and
yeah.
I
think
kyle
is
also
very,
very
open
for
collaboration.
You
can
see
some
details
and
links
of
how
to
how
to
get
in
touch
with
him.
A
Thank
you
so
speaking
of
which
you
know,
let's
take
a
kind
of
a
step
back,
let's
look
at
entire
cohorts,
and
so
we
have
the
the
so
right
now
in
the
catalyst
coordinator,
we
have
actually
three
different
cohorts.
We
have
the
fun
too
and
so
they've
been
they've,
been
at
it
for
a
few
months.
Now
the
numbers
look
good,
so
how
many
devs
they
attracted
to
the
ecosystem.
A
If
you
sum
it
up,
it's
279.,
four
daps
in
flight
131
entrepreneurs,
arena
network
at
the
first
taking
pool
liquid,
have
almost
eleven
thousand
twitter
followers
and
added
to
haskell
devs
spock
spoker
just
launched
a
member
platform.
A
Gimbal
apps
keep
keeps
on
growing
and
engaging
with
in
discord
in
twitter,
and
there
is
like
yeah
working
on
the
telegram
channel
from
lovely
academy,
the
qr
code
implementation
on
going
for
the
pet
registry
dap
that
I
personally
really
look
forward
to
for
it
to
launch.
It
looks
really
really
exciting
and
useful
and
japan
cardinal
governance
did.
The
survey
was
very,
very
informative
and
was
posted
indeed
and
pull
tool
launching
soon.
Okay.
This
is
just
one.
This
is
just
like
the
fun
two
all
right.
A
We
have
two
more
to
go
so
then
we
have
the
defense,
read
the
developer
ecosystem,
so
these
are
all
the
people
that
were
addressing
the
developer
ecosystem
challenge
and
this
okay.
So
they
started
two
weeks
ago
right
so
we're
just
getting
started
so,
but
they
already,
you
can
already
see
yes,
three
six,
the
stack
two
slides.
It's
like
six
six
projects,
total
launched,
20
devs
engaged.
A
So
what's
it's
and
eight
eight
devs
and
boarded
what
what's
the
difference
between
engaged
and
on
board
and
engaged?
Is
you
know
people
who
have
been
like
interacting
with
the
project?
Okay?
So
you
can
imagine
someone
who,
like
signed
up
for
an
email,
newsletter
or
or
started
the
course,
and
but
then
you
have
onboarded
onboarded
means
actually
started
to
develop
on
cardano.
We
got
them
from
an
interested
party
that
consumes
the
same.
Material
into
people
are
actually
like
fully
like.
Writing.
A
Writing
stuff
writing
codes
for
the
cardinal
ecosystem,
so
getting
to
eight
after
eight
on
boarded
after
two
weeks
is
incredible.
I
don't
know
it's
like
it's
like.
I've
hardly
had
time
this
week
to
really
review
this
report,
but
you
know
I
mean
yeah.
You've
seen
you've
seen
two
abcd
working
on
a
curriculum
with
emergo
db
sync
and
password
integration
in
the
pipeline
and
implementation
start
starting
to
work
planning,
phase.
A
The
liquid
sdk
does
the
documentation
available
in
the
makerspace
we
entered
20
nfts
and
sold
14
99
people
joined
25
years
old
for
a
hackathon.
This
is
a
crazy.
This
is
this
like
after
two
weeks,
it's
you
know
my
impression
like
it's
not
like.
We
looked
at
the
data,
but-
and
we
will
only
know
that
in
like
many
months
in
the
future,
but
it
seems
like
the
community
really
nailed
would
have
made
really
really
smart
choices
with
this
team.
A
The
funded
team
is
looking
at
this,
this
progress.
Okay,
then
we
have
a
third
third
team
in
the
coordinator,
those
who
are
responsible
for
the
depth
creation.
A
So
with
that,
of
course,
it's
it's
way
more.
It's
more
complicated
right,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
them
are
waiting
for
things
and
to
to
to
fully
launch
ducks
on
top
of
cardano.
A
A
You
know
planning
planning
to
launch
and
I'm
sure
that,
as
the
as
the
weeks
and
months
go
by,
they
will
have
more
and
more
progress
to
to
reports.
Okay,
this
is
our.
A
It
will
be
worth
the
wait.
It
seems
like
there's
like
very,
very
great
depths,
ready
for
getting
developed.
A
Okay.
Moving
moving
from
the
reporting
of
of
of
the
coordinator
to
talk
about
sharing
some
less
less
amazing
news
about
our
fund
fund
for
governance
launch
the
last
week.
A
I
was
fairly
optimistic
and
I
told
you
you
know
I
thought
very,
very
tentative
start
date.
We'll
do
tests
we'll
see
so
what
happened
with
the
tests
and
the
tests
were
not
good.
We
discovered
actually
like
the
basic
thing
is
that
we
we
revealed
that
with
this
in
this
in
this
scale,
with
just
like
this
giant
rate
of
growth,
we're
not
getting
the
voting
results
in
in
in
an
accurate
way
like
the
integrity
of
the
voting
is
insufficient,
and
this
is
not
something
we
we
are
willing
to
compromise
with.
A
So
we're
gonna
do
the
we're
gonna
do
we're
all
working.
A
I
know
you
can
see
my
eyes
we're
all
like
working
really
hard
and
some
of
the
teamworking
weekends
and
we're
doing
everything
possible
and
to
make
sure
that
that
fund
4
will
be
delivered
in
a
way
that
is
of
of
good
quality
and
not
compromise
on
the
integrity
of
voting
and
but
also
on
the
same
time,
try
to
do
it
as
fast
as
possible,
because
we
know
there
are
literally
literally
hundreds
of
teams
that
are,
you
know,
been
working
so
hard
on
getting
their
proposals
ready
for
votes
and
and
and
all
the
hundreds
of
advisers
have
been
given
assessments.
A
So
all
these
all
these
hours
of
human
effort,
you
know,
are
kind
of
waiting,
so
this
is
in
front
of
us
at
any
any
moment,
believe
me
and
we
can
only
do
our
best,
and
that
is
what
we're
doing
you
know.
I
think.
In
addition,
we
had
this
another
bad
news
with
that
apple
just
changed
it
like
ios
policy
like
overnight,
without
announcement
that
this
made
it
made
things
more
complex
because
we
need
the
ios
app
updated.
A
I
believe
this
has
been
resolved
in
the
past
day,
but
that
was
also
a
cause
of
delay.
The
going
forward-
and
I'm
just
gonna,
keep
you
up
to
date.
So,
every
week
in
the
town
hall
we
will.
A
We
will
give
you
detailed
reports
about
what's
going
on,
and
I
know
this
might
be
disappointing
and
I
know
for
many
of
you
and
it
might
be
even
frustrating
that
that
that
we
need
to
wait
longer
and-
and
I'm
sorry
about
that,
we
we
care
about
you
a
lot
and
we're
trying
to
do
our
best,
but
we
also
we
we
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
Okay
and-
and
the
right
thing
is-
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
the
elections
and
not
compromise
on
that.
A
So
moving
on
the
we
are,
we
did
just
we
just
at
the
end
of
the
fund
five
finalized
stage,
so
we
had
15
proposals
withdrawn.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
those
who
withdrew
their
proposal
and
and
because,
when
you
withdraw
your
proposal,
it's
it's
basically,
you
you
free
up
our
advisor
resources
to
focus
on
on
the
proposals
that
are
like
kind
of
ready
to
for
the
ballot,
and
it's
a
sign
of
maturity
and
wisdom.
A
A
You
know
we
kind
of
got
to
like
almost
1300,
which
is
a
bit
less
than
fund
for,
but
this
time
we
really
hope
to
convert
a
lot
more
of
them
into
actually
participating
in
the
process.
So,
yes,
I
feel
very
optimistic
about
fund
five.
Let's,
let's
see
how
how
many
from
this
the
number
of
people
who
expressed
desire
to
participate
will
actually
participate
and,
of
course
we
will
learn
and
iterate
over
time.
A
You
know
if
you
compare
the
numbers,
you
can
see
that
we
are.
Our
numbers
grew
by
6,
000
people
and
from
font
four,
like
think
about
it,
can
you
visualize
how
do
six
thousand
people
holding
hand
you
know
like
in
a
like
in
a
giant
circle
like
look
like
in
front
of
you?
That's
like
the
amount
of
people
who
are
engaged
in
the
process
in
fun.
A
Five,
that's
like
the
kind
of
rate
of
of
growth
right,
we're
not
like
we're
not
like
snapchat
we're,
not
sending
instant
messaging,
we're
doing
like
really
complex
innovation,
technology
processes
and
to
get
so
much
so
much
growth
is
is
incredible,
and
this
also
reflects
on
the
number
of
subscribers
on
on
our
announcement
telegram
channel.
So
we
grew
from
six.
Three
thousand
two
basically
grew
up
by
fifty
percent
over
this
this
time,
so
looking
pretty
good
update
on
the
self-assessment
checklist.
A
So
what
what's
your
self-assessment
checklist?
Okay?
So
we
had,
then
we
had
a
big
issue.
Let's
fund
lots
of
lots
of
proposals
that
just
kind
of
like
didn't
didn't,
do
some
basic
basic
stuff
and
that
kind
of
took
up
a
lot
of
the
community
advisors
attention
and
we
just
wanted
to
make
the
process
more
efficient.
A
So
this
time
around,
we
added
this
like
self-assessment,
checklist
and
said:
hey
people,
it's
like
mandatory
to
tick.
All
the
boxes
make
sure
that
your
proposal
is
in
good
shape,
ready
for
review
and
well,
we
kind
of
rushed
it.
We
really
wanted
to
do
it,
but
we
rushed
it
a
bit
and
I
think
I
think
what
ended
up
is
a
few
issues.
First
of
all,
and
the
issue
of
identity
came
up.
A
One
of
the
items
in
the
checklist
really
asked
that
all
proposers
you
know
we
would
completely
share
their
identity
and
but
it
wasn't
well
defined
enough,
and
there
are
members
in
our
community
who
you
know
kind
of
like
decentralization
privacy
maximalists
and
they
felt
they
were
being
excluded
from
this
process,
and
you
know
I
feel
they
have
a
point
in
a
way
that
we
should
not
exclude
people
at
this
point
and
not
especially
not
people
who
who
care
about
these
values
that
are
very
aligned
with
the
cardano
values.
A
So
so
we're
kind
of
doing
a
fix
about
that.
Okay,
and
what
what
we're
saying
going
forward
and
also
for
this
fund
every
about
identity.
Is
that
it's
a
recommendation.
A
So
so
the
anonymous
person
might
have
a
kind
of
like
a
trail
of
reputation.
That
is
that
can
mitigate
that
right.
So
so
we
leave
it
for
the
voters
to
decide
and
we're
gonna
see
so
voters
you
up
to
you.
We
will
not.
We
will
not
make
the
choice
for
you
and,
of
course,
what
we,
what
we
will
do.
We
will
track
over
time
and
the
performance
of
anonymous
versus
anonymous
proposals,
and
you
know
over
time
we
will
get
more
informed.
You
know
it
could
be.
A
I
don't
know
it
could
do
the
other
way,
maybe
maybe
the
the
anonymous
proposals
who
managed
to
convince
the
community
to
fund
them
are
actually
the
most
genius
innovative
things
that
have
the
most
impact.
You
know,
maybe
maybe
the
other
way.
Maybe
the
anonymous
proposals
are
the
scams.
Maybe
people
who
reveal
their
identity
are,
you
know,
are
actually
the
scammers
because
they
tricked
we
don't
know
okay,
but
but,
and
that
is
why
we're
leaving
it
up
to
for
the
data
to
do
the
talking.
A
Or
so
we
learned
that
we
can,
just
like
you
know,
stick
on
like
mandatory
things
that
are
very
hard,
we'll
we'll
going
to
continue
to
iterate
on
it
and
communicate
it
better
and
for
now
what
what?
What
we'll
do
is
we're
going
to
add
a
label?
Okay,
like
next
to
the
proposals
for
now
like,
if
you
did,
you
fill
up
this
if
this
proposal
filled
up
the
self-assessment
or
not
as
a
signal
to
the
community
signal
to
to
to
community
advisors
about
the
you
know
level
of
dedication
for
this
proposal.
A
So
this
is
what
we're
gonna
do
and
we
also
like
do
it
we'll
do
a
retro
and
try
to
make
it.
You
know
fun
six,
we
will.
We
will
improve
the
process
like.
I
think
the
minimum
is
really
communicated
way
better
and
like
from
the
start
and
not
like
edit
kind
of
last
minute.
So
lesson
learned:
this
is
the
this
is
the
catalyst
you
know
we
can.
We
can
we
make
mistakes
and
what
we
learn
from
them
all
right.
A
So
now
we're
in
the
assessed
stage
it
has
begun,
and
it's
gonna
be
two
weeks
and
after
these
two
weeks,
where
community
advisors
assess
the
finalized
proposals
for
fund
five,
we'll
have
a
qa
process
also
of
two
weeks
where,
basically,
we
it's
kind
of
like
our
remote.
Our
defense
mechanism,
where
experienced
advisors,
are
gonna,
make
sure
that
these
assessments
are
are
legit
and
once
they're
done,
you
know
we'll
start
governance
phase,
so
governance
phase
is
tied
to
the
fund
fortune
and
against.
A
A
So,
let's
talk:
let's
talk
about
this,
this
community
advisor
role
and
let's
get
get
a
bit
more
into
the
weeds
about
it,
because,
as
we've
seen,
there
is
quite
a
large
number
of
you
who
were
interested
to
to
start
it.
So
I
want
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
brief
what
you
talk.
What's
it
all
about,
so
these
advisors
are
here
to
improve
decision
making
and
so
help
the
voters
make
the
best
decisions
and
also
help
proposers
understand
how
to
improve
okay.
A
A
I
mean
they're
also
not
like
a
judge
in
a
jury,
they're
more
like
an
advisor,
but
but
you
know,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
orient
that
that
when
you
do
it
as
a
community
advisor,
you
really
need
to
think
collective
intelligence
and
smart
and
giving
your
perspective
to
help
us
and
also
be
in
empathy
with
the
proposer
and
frame
their
review
in
such
a
way
that
they
can
learn
and
improve.
A
You
know
the
whole
concept
of
catalyst
is
like
iterating
and
improving
over
time,
and
if,
if,
if
all
the
reviews
are
transparent,
you
know,
and
if
the
only
thing
proposals
are
gonna
get
is
stuff,
they
can't
work
with
like
saying
like.
Oh,
this
is
bad
or
something
like
that.
I'm
just
gonna
give
up
and
do
something
else,
and
actually
what
we
want
is
to
give
them
constructive
feedback.
A
They
can
work
with,
so
they
can
improve
and-
and
that's
also
in
the
benefit
for
us
all
so
saying
that
you
know
as
a
community
advisor
it's
for
you
to
speak
up,
okay,
you're
gonna
get
what
you
ask
for
so
you
know.
If,
if
something
is,
if
you
see
something
is
like
like,
like
seriousness
or
or
is
not
were
fought
out
of,
or
something
like
that-
and
you
say
yes
to
that-
you're
saying
yes
to
that
also
going
forward.
That's
the
signal
we're
sending
to
the
community
that
this
is
what
we
want.
A
This
is
the
standards
we
set
right,
if
you
so
be
discerning
okay,
it's
this
is
this
is
we're
still
early
stage.
This
is
this
is
this
is
when
we
put
our
standards.
Okay,
but
just
don't
be
a
just
put
the
standards
but
like
in
be
kind
as
the
standards
and
explain
to
people
why
the
rationale
behind
it,
so
they
can
improve.
A
So
in
essence,
you
know,
so
that
would
start
in
a
few
hours.
The
interface
would
be
open
for
you,
and
you
will
have
two
weeks
to
submit
the
reviews.
Take
your
time
and
we're
going
to
turn
the
back
comments
on
in
a
de
scale,
and
so
basically,
the
discussions
with
the
voters
and
the
proposers
is
starting.
A
We
much
like
most
peer
review
protocols.
We
are
maintaining
the
anonymity
of
the
advisors,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
we're
still
using
a
third
party
application
at
this
scale
to
do
most
of
that
heavy
lifting.
A
We
cannot
so
far.
We
you
know
this
is
like
the
sixth
time
we're
doing
this
and
we
didn't
have
any
major.
You
know
we
had
some
wet
very
minor
anonymity
leaks
that
were
reported
and
fixed,
but
so
far
there
wasn't
any
any
big
leak,
but
we
cannot
guarantee
it.
You
know.
So
if
you
know
so
that
means
that
you
know
if
you're
gonna
come
and
and
really
to
your
best
friend's
proposal
and
say
something
really
nasty
about
them.
A
Just
just
realize,
there's
like
a
very
small
chance
that
he
might
know
your
identity,
okay,
just
to
be
I'm
just
being
fair,
and
also
please
note
that
we
are
keeping
a
running
log
of
all
the
reviews
and
reviewers
okay.
So
so,
and
that
will
serve
us
going
forwards
because
we
will
know
people
are
trying
to
game
the
system.
We
will
we're
tracking
you
and
people
who
are
making
high
quality
assessments.
A
We
know
who
you
are.
You
know,
and
and
that
and
that
kind
of
reputation
is
gonna,
serve
you
going
forward.
Okay,
so
so
to
summarize,
you
are
anonymous.
It's
like
99.9
that
you
will
your
identity
would
be
your
like
id
scale.
Identity
will
be,
will
be
hidden
from
others,
but
you
know
in
our
databases,
you
know
we
are
tracking.
A
We
are
tracking
this
and
think
about
the
long
game
as
you're
doing
these
things.
A
A
A
So,
for
example,
you
have
to
adapt
integration
challenge,
you
can
see
that
it
talks
the
main
question.
The
main
challenge
question
is
what
apps
should
be
built
to
drive
user
adoption
and
in
the
challenge
itself,
you
know
we
define
the
challenge
metrics,
such
as
the
number
and
growth
of
the
application
output,
like
number
of
growth
of
the
transactions
total
volume
of
ada
involved
in
the
in
the
application
transactions-
and
this
is
your
this
is
your
you
know.
A
The
challenge
brief
is
your
compass
right,
because
when
you
look
at
impact,
you
look
at
impact
relative
to
the
challenge.
So
it's
really
important
for
you
when
you
go
on
review
to
really
understand
the
challenge
and
the
metrics
involved,
and
when
you
review,
you
really
should
ask
yourself
like:
are
these
things
actually
going
to
push
these
numbers?
Are
they
actually
effectively
addressing
what
was
defined.
A
A
A
Also,
is
this
just
one
person
you
know
if
this
person
gets
hit
by
a
bus,
then
it's
like
the
end
of
the
project.
Maybe
if
there's
a
team,
it's
a
bit
more
resilient
and
feasible,
or
so
you
know
if
one
person
is
suggesting
to
do
something
that
needs
to
be
that
it
takes
five
people.
A
A
Is
there
the
budget
described
like
you
know
like
what
do
you
see?
Okay
from
reading
the
proposal
you
know,
is
this
a
grounded
team
that
you
feel
that
there's
that
it's
likely
that
that
what
they
say
will
actually
happen.
A
Then
the
last
bit
which
actually
like
we
it's
kind
of
like
a
lot
of
it,
is
like
what
what
was
the
content
of
the
checklist
right?
It's
like
the
auditability,
so
the
proposal
basically
provided
us
sufficient
information
to
to
actually
to
actually
audit
for
us
to
actually
like
determine
the
feasibility
and
the
impact
of
a
proposal.
A
So
you
know,
if
there's
a
road
mapping
milestones,
you
know
it's,
we
can
audit
it.
We
can
audit
it
for
feasibility.
If
there's
a
definition
of
success,
we
can
look
at
the
impact
and
if,
if
this
person
has
a
clear
understanding
of
what
problem
he's
solving
and
the
definition
of
his
solution,
you
know
that's
information
that
is
is
needed.
You
know
if
it's
all
murky
and
not
clear
and
ambiguous,
you
know,
then
it's
less!
That's
auditable.
You
know
the
person
like
the
idea
could
be
amazing.
A
You
know
in
theory
or
or
in
his
head,
but
if
he
didn't
manage
to
express
it
in
in
in
words,
so
other
people
can
understand
what
what
can
we
do?
You
know
like
it's
less
auditable
and
this
this
is
this
is
the
criteria
and
then,
of
course,
that
risks
are
addressed
okay.
A
So
this
is
not
just
like
a
person
that
you
know
every
project
present
risks,
but
some
people
think
about
risks
in
advance
and
prepare
to
mitigate
them,
and
some
may
kind
of
go
like
a
in
a
lambing
like
fashion,
go
over
the
cliff
and
then
discover,
there's
a
risk.
So
that's
also
part
of
the
auditability
like
like
seeing
that
someone
actually
is
aware
of
risks.
A
So
what
happens
at
the
end
of
this
review
stage?
There
will
be
you
know
we
will
we
will.
Our
team
will
look
at
all
the
reviews
and-
and
this
is
equally
important,
like
every
review-
okay
for
every
criteria,
there's
a
box
in
a
d
scale,
where
we
ask
you
to
put
a
rationale
to
explain.
Okay,
if
you
don't
put
a
rationale,
we're
gonna
take
your
even
if
you
thought
about
it
for
many
days,
but
you
didn't
explain
yourself,
you
didn't
submit
the
rationale,
we'll
take
your
well
thought
out.
A
You
know
kick
because
you
know
this
is
this
is
not
about
people
mashing
buttons,
one
or
five
stars
going
through
many
proposals.
That's
not
that's!
Not!
The
intention
is
here.
The
intention
is
that
we
see
that
you
know
we
owe
it
to
the
proposal
or
to
the
proposers
and
the
effort
they
made.
A
We
owe
it
to
the
voters
that
advisors
are
diligent
and
can
can
explain
and
can
in
real
words
that
other
humans
can
understand
why
they
rated
something
this
and
that
we
will
also
give
all
the
proposers
a
chance
to
highlight
reviews
they
they
see
as
a
grossly
substandard
and
those.
You
know
those
flagged
reviews
will
be
reviewed
by
veteran
community
advisors.
That
will
you
know
that
that
will
give
their
opinion
and
and
they
have
the
power
to
disqualify.
A
Once
this
filtering
process
is
done,
then
then,
in
the
voting
app,
you
will
see
that
you
will
see
that
we
will
average
out
all
the
scores
giving
by
legitimate
reviews
and
it
will
be
displayed
insertable
in
the
voting
app
and
in
a
d
scale.
You
will
like
each
repository
can
can
read
all
the
rationale
that
was
given
to
him
and
again
so
we
can
process
and
learn
for
and
the
next
funding
round.
A
A
It's
just
not
reasonable
that
so
they're
doing
a
very
valuable
service
for
the
community
and
they're,
making
sure
that
we're
making
good
choices,
choices
that
would
promote
the
network,
increase
the
added
value
and
for
this
we
value
them
and
we're
we're
and
we
have
an
incentive
plan
to
to
reward
them
and
the
way
the
current
incentive
plan
works
is
is
it's
it's
meant
for
encourage
a
kind
of
equal
distribution
of
reviews
to
make
sure
that,
like
all
proposals,
you
know
get
covered
by
at
least
three
three
reviewers,
and
that
and
unfair
and
unthoughtful
reviews
are
are
very
like
kind
of
like
punished
severely.
A
Basically,
the
and
and
the
way
it
works
is
there's
a
kind
of
a
sort
of
a
lottery.
Okay,
let's
explain
rationale.
So
let's
look
at
two
proposals.
For
example,
this
is
proposal
a,
and
this
is
proposal
b
and,
let's
say,
proposal
a
had
four
reviews
provided
to
it
proposal.
We
had
two
reviews
given
to
it:
wonderful,
wonderful,
so
out
of
each
one
you
know,
then
we
roll
the
dice
and
we
pick
three
from
each
category
to
get
funded.
Okay,
so
proposal
a
had
four
reviews.
A
We
rolled
the
dice
randomly
view
one
three,
four
one:
the
lottery
they
get
they're
eligible
for
a
reward
review.
Two
was
not
in
the
lottery
not
eligible
for
a
reward
proposal
b
only
had
two
reviews,
so
we
don't
need
to
roll
the
dice
right,
because
you
know
we're
just
finding
these
two.
These
two,
these
two
will
receive
a
reward.
A
A
A
So
there's
like
a
discipline
issue
here
like
like
what
is
what
is
unfair,
what
is
unthoughtful
okay,
so
we
set
a
few
a
few
criteria.
We
said
that
it's
like
unfair
and
thoughtful
is
something
that
given
from
a
buyer's
perspective
from
the
rationale
is
clear.
The
proposal
was
not
read
through
that.
There
seems
to
be
and
not
like
from
the
rationale.
A
It
seems
that
the
criteria
for
selection
and
guidelines
were
not
applied
or
understood
correctly
and
or
there
is
lack
of
articulation
about
the
rationale
in
in
a
constructive
way,
and
I'm
sure
we
will.
I
mean,
I
think,
in
the
guidelines
you
can
even
read
even
more
about
it,
but
it's
kind
of
like
the
big,
the
big
points.
A
A
So,
if
you're,
if
nobody
participates
and
you're
the
only
one
who's
like
posted
one,
like
a
soul
review,
you
know
for
the
whole
project
very
unlikely.
You
know
you
will
get
all
the
the
entire
rewards.
You
will
collect
80
000
worth
of
ada.
A
So
just
just
as
a
note,
you
know
in
front
three:
we
had
64
advisors
that
received
rewards
in
front
four
119
curious.
I'm
really
really
curious
to
learn
what
what
would
the
numbers
look
like
for
fund
five,
so
in
terms
of
the
chances
for
you
to
win
in
the
lottery?
A
If
there's
a
proposal,
that's
been
reviewed
ten
thousand
times
and
you're,
adding
the
ten
thousand
and
one
you
know:
you're
gonna
have
a
mini-skill
chance
of
winning
and
if
you're,
if
you're
you
submitted
the
substandard
review,
you
would
have
a
zero
percent
and
actually,
if
you,
if
you're
doing
it
in
a
very
you
know
if
you,
if
we
see
that
you're
doing
it
repeatedly,
you
like
you,
receive
a
red
card
like
you,
you
did
something.
That's
like
super
super.
A
A
It's
not
you're,
not
just
going
to
be
not
eligible
for
this
review,
like
all
your
reviews
are
going
to
be
ineligible,
so
we're
kind
of
strict
on
this,
and
I
think
justly
so
because
that's
we're
putting
the
standards
high
and
when
would
you
receive
the
payment?
You
know
when
when
everybody
else
gets
funded,
you
know,
along
with
the
proposers,
it
will
also
receive
funding.
A
So,
what's
for
you
to
do
next,
you
have
the
you
have
an
onboarding
document
to
read,
and
I
mean
anna
danny.
Where
is
in
there?
Oh
yeah,
okay,
I
see
already
made
sure
the
link
that's
great
this.
This
is
a
by
the
way.
This
is
like
amazing,
but
the
onboarding
document
and
the
guidelines
are
basically
written
like
bottom
up,
I
mean
I
I
don't
have
on
me
the
names
of
all
the
people
that
participating.
I
will
I
will.
A
I
know,
there's
been
a
just
like
weeks
and
weeks
of
work
and
visiting
and
revisiting
and
taking
everybody's
perspective
into
account,
been
doing
it
in
like
a
really
smart
way,
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
you
all
did
and
if
someone
can
in
the
chat
can
tell
me
who,
who
I
should
give
kudos
to
for
leading
the
charge
on
this,
like
just
put
it
in
the
chat,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
really
love
to
name
name,
those,
those
people
and
I'll
I'll.
Look
at
it
on
the
later.
A
Remember
that
we're
asking
you
to
give
for
each
criteria,
along
with
the
rationale
score
from
one
to
five.
One
is
strongly
disagree,
five
strongly
agree,
and,
to
conclude,
you
know
I
want
us
to.
I
want
to
invite
a
victor
to
the
stage
and
because
victor
is
a
wonderful
community
advisor
and
and
just
want
to
get
his
his
his
impression
great,
so
really
really
quick.
You
know
just
first
of
all
like
tell
us
about
about
yourself
like
how
like
how
did
you
find
out
about
cardano
what
motivated
you
to
join?
D
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
first
heard
of
cardano
last
october.
I
was
just
looking
to
something
the
blockchain
ecosystem
to
work
with,
and
then
I
discovered
catalyst
which
was
a
good
way
to
get
involved,
and
then
I
think
I
just
attended
my
first
town
hall,
like
in
january.
It
was
similar
to
this
one.
You
were
explaining
the
process
of
how
to
be
a
community
advisor,
and
I
just
jumped
in
and
tried
to
to
participate
in
the
in
this
experiment.
A
Nice,
what
what's
your
favorite
part?
What
like
okay,
so
you
made
the
jump?
Okay,
let's,
let's
do
the
opposite,
like
you
made
the
jump
you
were
like
I'm
just
like
here
in
the
town
hall,
but
then
like
okay,
this
sounds
cool.
What
was
the?
What
kind
of
hurdles
were
your
like
in
your
path
to
to
really
you
know
to
really
become
one.
D
Yeah
by
that
time,
I
was
not
aware
of
the
discord
server,
which
is
a
good
source
of
information.
There
is
a
lot
going
on
there
and
we
also
didn't
have
any
kind
of
guidelines
like
those
one
that
you
have
just
presented,
so
this
is
going
to
make
it
much
easier
for
newcomers
for
the
new
case,
and
one
thing
that
I
I
saw,
that
was
good.
D
That
is
that
we
can
just
assess
any
kind
of
proposal
and,
for
example,
if
we
can
choose
the
proposals
we
are
interested
in
and
even
if
we
think
that
we
are
not
capable
of
doing
a
good
assessment.
Yet
at
least
we
know
what
we
can
study
or
what
we
can
look
for
to
get
know
to
get
to
know
more
about
that
great.
D
A
Nice,
and
so
I
I
don't
know,
do
you
have
any
advice
to
someone
now
considering
taking
the
plunge?
A
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
would
suggest
any
new
comments
to
read
through
the
documents
that
are
attached
here
in
this
presentation
in
the
town
hall
presentation
and
we
are
working
on
a
workshop
for
new
community
advisors.
We
are
planning
to
do
this
next
saturday
in
the
discord,
forms
swarm
catalyst
channel,
and
I
think
it's
it's
on
these
slides
as
well
and
right
there.
D
We
are
just
opening
up
four
questions
for
newcomers
to
if
they
they
can
take
the
next
two
days
to
go
through
like
this
cave
and
try
to
make
for
their
first
assessments
and
if
they
have
any
questions,
just
come
and
ask
and
ask
us
on
saturday,
and
we
are
also
develop
developing
some
tools
to
try
to
make
it
easier
to
be
a
ca,
a
proposer
in
a
vca
during
these
assessments
and
review
phases-
and
we
are
going
to
present
present
dca
ca2
next
saturday
as
well.
D
A
A
D
Yeah
so
many
people
yeah
like
a
lot
of
them.
I
I
I
wouldn't
like
try
to
to.
A
A
So
this
is
the
same
workshop
that
we're
talking
about,
or
this
is
like,
because
I
thought
there
was
like
one
workshop.
We
planned
to
do
right
after
this
town
hall
or
when
you're
referring
about
yeah
about
one
on
saturday.
D
Yeah,
actually
we
moved
this
one
that
was
going
to
happen
today
to
saturday,
because
we
still
have
some
setup
to
to
to
do
and
also
to
get
some
time
to
new
community
advisors.
To
try
to
do
some
try
to
navigate
into
an
id
scale
prior
to
the
workshop,
so
they
can
bring
their
questions.
A
Okay,
so
so
the
call
to
action
is
clear.
You
know
we
have
the
catalyst
community
advisor
channel
in
telegram
if
you
want
to
be
arctic.
Part
of
the
take
part
of
the
workshop,
which
I
think
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
really
amazing,
and
I
hope
you
guys
take
a
recording
and
published
it
too
and
yeah
we're
going
to
so
join
the
telegram,
and
we
will
let
you
know
about
all
the
details
and
the
logistics
of
how
to
get
to
be
part
of
it
and
yeah.
A
And
and
then
I'll
see
you
around,
maybe
on
saturday,
maybe
drop
by
okay.
So,
to
conclude,
this
whole
community
advisor
fest,
if
you're,
if
you're,
new
and
you're
kind
of,
like
oh,
my
god,
the
sex,
look
like
a
lot
of
stuff.
You
know,
I
think,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
advisors.
The
the
challenge
was
that
there's,
like
hundreds
of
proposals,
it
seems
boggling
the
the
amount
of
work.
Nobody
expects
you
to
do.
300
reviews,
300
proposals,
that's
way
too
much.
A
A
Try
to
find
it
says.
Here's
three
proposals
find
one
one
proposal
that
doesn't
have
assessments
or
has
a
low
number
of
assessments
and
don't
be
you
know
like.
Usually
we
have
a
high
a
high
rate
of
blank
reviews.
So
a
lot
of
times
the
numbers
you're
going
to
see
are
not
really
representative
but
like
fix
something
they're
attitude,
a
proposal
at
a
relatively
relatively
low
assessments
and
and
really
go
to
town.
A
You
know
really
really
review
it
all
the
way
and
and
once
you're
done
in
our
in
our
project,
catalyst,
telegram
group,
you
know,
link
link
the
use.
The
tag
is
a
hashtag
assessmentchallenge
and
the
title
of
the
project
that
you've
assessed
not
commented
assessed,
and
that's
it
that's
it
for.
A
For
for
this
downhill,
we
have
a
a
few
links
that
you
all
kind
of
pretty
much
like
know
all
of
them,
probably
by
heart
by
now
and
to
to
to
be
informed
and
yeah,
and
I
think
I'll
just
try
to
conclude
today
with
answering
some
of
the
questions
that
we
have.
So
I'm
gonna
go
by
order
of
votes.
A
A
There
are
two
doors
with
one
o,
okay,
one
one
with
me,
one
by
each
door.
You
know
one
of
them.
Oh
okay,
you
know,
one
of
them
always
tells
the
truth
and
the
other
always
lies.
This
is
like
a
really
tricky.
After
a
really
long
work
day.
It's
like
it's
like
a
double
whammy.
Okay,
you
know
one
of
them
also
the
truth
and
the
other
always
lies.
A
A
One
always
tells
the
truth.
I
guess
I
guess
some
kind
of
a
self-referential
thing
going
on
like.
Let's
see,
if
I
ask
if
I'll
ask
the
truth,
if
I
ask
the
liar,
is
the
other
door
saying
the
truth?
A
I'm
just
too
tired
right
now,
but
I
mean
I
would
just
follow
the
logic
I'll
just
try
to
make
like
surfer.
I
want
to
make
like
a
little
table
and
make
like
self-referential,
and
I
will
figure
it
out.
I'm
sorry,
it's
like
it's!
It's!
We
really
been
working
really
hard
on
the
on
on
all
the
on
all
the
fun
for
lunch.
So
also
my
mental
energy
went
there.
So
logic
puzzles.
I
mean
I
that's
probably
the
answer,
but
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
it
yet.
A
Mark
makes
a
statement
proposals
please,
edit.
Your
proposals
now
and
correct
requested
funds
in
usd
field
removes
all
the
fractions
dollar
signs.
Letters
also
30
proposals
have
this
field
empty.
This
will
be
archived
before
moving
to
the
next
stage.
So
you
know,
I
think
I
think
we're
you
know
now
is
the
time
to
do
the
to
do
that.
Let's,
let's
call
thank
you.
A
Where
do
you
personally
see
the
biggest
practical
challenge?
Is
iohk
still
funding,
conducting
more
fundamental
research
on
this
topic
and
when
are
new
papers
expected
for
publication
thanks
the
biggest
okay?
This
is
a
great
question
like.
Why
does
everybody
have
really
cool
puzzles
and
really
of
great
open
questions
asking
me
when
I'm
when
I'm
so
fatigued
mentally?
A
I
think
what
makes
a
wicked
wicked
problem
wicked.
Is
it's
never
one
problem.
It's
always
like
it's
like
10
different
problems.
Okay
and
and
governance
goes
across
the
entire
human,
the
stack
of
human
experience,
okay
and
and
the
very
fundamental
one
and-
and-
and
so
you
know,
my
best
answer
is
like.
If
you
go
to
the
fundamentals
of
it,
you
will
you
will
learn
that
this
is
a.
A
Also,
all
of
us
grew
up
in
a
city
in
a
state
in
a
country
and
where
we,
each
each
and
everyone.
We
have
a
very,
very
particular
experience
of
governance
and
a
particular
psychological
reaction
to
authority
and
decision-making
processes
and
limits,
and
each
of
us
learned
something
else
and
we
have
a
different.
A
We
have
a
different
kind
of
psychological
kind
of
like
side.
You
know
like,
like
some
some
people
you
know
would
get
like
super
upset.
You
know
about
identity,
for
example,
and
you
know
that
would
like
drive
them
crazy.
You
know
some
people
if
something's
perceived
as
being
unfair
or
bureaucratic.
You
know
that
would
be
the
thing
that
would
like
get
them
really
passionate.
Some
people
will
care
about
equality
or
care,
and
the
thing
is
is
that
it
depends
on
your
own
personal
life
circumstances
and
journey
that
are
extremely
diverse.
A
So
what
what
does
it
mean?
It
means
that,
no
matter
what
we
do
really
that's
the
part
of
the
wicked,
no
matter
what
we
do.
There
will
be
people
who
will
be
unhappy
with
the
the
expected
result
because
of
that
underlying
psychological
baggage
that
we're
all
holding
that's
the
main
wicked
thing.
Okay.
A
This
is
why
you
know
like
in
the
us's
or
any
country
you
see
this
like
there's
all
these
politic
political
and
clashes
that
are
happening
and
and
of
course
here
it
it
can
be
amplified
because
you
can
actually
do
something
about
it
and
you're
not
completely
disempowered,
so
it
can
be.
I
mean
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
the
cure,
that's
a
pain
and
that's
the
cure
right,
because
you
you,
we
can't
do
that.
A
We
are
empowered,
but
also
you
know
it's.
It's
like,
I
think,
with
regular
governance
with
countries
we're
just
like
okay.
What,
if
there's
nothing
I
can
do,
and
here
you
can
do
so
it
can
be
frustr
it's
like
can
be
inspiring.
It
can
be
confusing.
Okay,
that's
right!
Why
don't
we
talk
about
it?
So
that's
like
the
very
basic
component
of
this
stack,
and
now
we
can
go
down
the
stack
of
the
complexity
of
governance.
We
can
talk
about.
A
A
Where
the
problem
here
is
that
when
you're
trying
to
make
something
capture
resilient,
you're,
building
a
fort
okay,
you're,
building
a
fort
and
you're
building
a
moat-
and
you
know-
sometimes
the
fort
in
a
moat-
is
not
the
best
place
to
live
in.
Okay,
that
doesn't
necessarily
generate
the
best
outcome
of
decisions
or
makes
people
feel
best
or
is
like
necessarily
the
most
fair
system.
A
So
you
need
to
take
so,
but
you
need
you
need
to
you
know
so,
so
you
kind
of
need
to
think
about
it
from
you
need
to
take
a
lot
of
different
parameters
into
account.
You
need
to
think
about
the
safety
right
of
the
system
and
all
the
modes,
and
you
need
to
you
need
to
take
them,
but
they
can
take
over.
It
can
be
just
a
moat.
You
know
it
has
to
be
like
a
nice
house
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
the
moat.
A
A
They
can't
do
anything
like
they
can
make
decisions,
they
can
move
forward,
they
can't
evolve
their
technology,
you
know,
and
it
this
thing
has
to
be
lively,
you
know
and
it
it
and
it's
not
just
of
course
it's
and
and
that
loveliness
is
like
unpacks
a
whole
set
of
like
you
know
how
we're
doing
the.
How
are
we
actually
introducing
new
ideas
into
the
system?
How
are
we
keeping
it
from?
Let's
say
like
taking
over
by
a
small
group
of
experts?
A
Then
you
have
just
the
question
of
let's
call
it
like
efficiency
of
roi
right
like
that
that,
in
the
end
of
this
governance,
actually
you
know
the
only
way
to
for
us
to
you
know,
introduce
something
new
into
the
world
and
maybe
replace
some
of
the
existing
paradigms.
It's
like
we
need
to
out
and
and
that
second,
for
you
know
it's
like
just
like
a
fact.
You
know
we
need
to
out
compete
alternatives.
A
You
know,
like
the
industrial
revolution
didn't
came
to
be
because.
A
Because
it
was
nicer
or
more
fair
or
or
something
like
that,
it
just
it
outperformed
everything
else
and
became
the
new
the
new
paradigm.
You
know
the
same
for
technology
this
and
the
same
for
catalyst
and
governance.
You
know
we
need
to
outperform.
We
need
to
figure
out
with
treasury
and
with
the
challenges,
how?
A
How
are
we,
how
we're
making
things
in
a
way
that
that
the
kind
of
impact
and
outcome
would
out-compete,
let's
say
like
an
investment
firm,
okay,
this
is
this
is
a
tall
order.
It's
possible.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
whole
theory
of
change,
of
how
we're
doing
it,
and
I
talk
a
lot
about
it
in
our
first
town
hall,
but
you
know
we're
not
there
yet
and
so
yeah
there's
a
start.
A
I
mean
I
can
do
a
probably
like
a
day
a
whole
day
seminar
just
about
defining
the
different
types
of
problems
in
the
stack,
but
I
think
these
are
like
really
the
big
ones:
okay,
like
and
yeah,
and
the
psychology
one
is
the
the
single
biggest
one
and
you
need
to
trade
carefully
and
you
need
to
be
very
respectful
of
people
and
their
own
story
as
you
do,
as
as
we
go
doing
that
wow
those
cool
questions,
okay,
loris,
is
asking:
will
we
be
able
to
participate
with
their
ledger
nano
products,
this
time,
myself
and
surely
many
others
don't
feel
safe,
transferring
their
ada
to
an
insecure
soft
wallet
to
vote?
A
That
is
the
reason
why
I
did
not
participate
last
time
and
won
this
time,
if
not
addressed
walrus
we're
we're
aware
of
it.
We're
well
aware
of
it,
and
I
I
personally
don't
think
we're
catalyst
is
quite
legitimate
enough
before
we
include
everybody
and
and
and
definitely
not
our
like,
though
those
of
us
are
really
security,
aware
and
and
work
with
other
wallets.
It's
it's
just
not
gonna
work,
so
this
has
been.
A
We
submitted
the
code
and
the
right
integrations
to
to
to
ledger
and
treasure,
and
the
ball
is
in
their
court,
we're
now
just
waiting
for
them
to
to
give
us
the
green
lights.
So
once
we
get
the
green
light
from
them,
we
will
let
you
know:
okay,
but
the
the
the
the
we
already
did
all
the
work.
A
You
know
I
actually
think
there's
some
things
that
I
like
I
mean
samwell,
can
give
you
my
insight,
but,
but
I
think,
there's
actually
a
few
entrepreneurial
spos
that
actually
took
the
took
our
code
and
used
like
a
test
version
of
the
hardware
wallet
to
actually
successfully
register
in
one
of
our
dry
runs.
So
it's
gonna
happen.
It's
gonna
happen
soon.
I
really
hope
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
manage
to
do
it
in
fund
five.
A
A
A
A
I
have
confidence
in
integrity
and
I
believe
that
this
community
and
this
and
the
people
running
the
catalyst
project
are
and-
and
you
know
from
from
our
developers
to
to
charles
you
know-
they're,
they're,
uncompromising
and
unrelenting
okay
in
our
determination
and
to
get
this
right
and
we've
established
a
framework
of
experimentation
and
iteration.
Where
you
know
we
just
systematically
try
out.
A
What's
like
the
best
practices,
we
uncover
problems
and
then
we
deal
with
them
and
then
we
rinse
and
repeat
you
know
the
the
the
kind
of
model
I'm
looking
for
is
an
evolutionary
model,
and
I
put
my
trust
in
the
fact
that
you
know
right
now
we're
just
running
one
assessment
process.
You
know
if
you
have
the
community
advisor
process,
that's
getting
run,
but
in
the
future,
like
there's
like
other
priorities,
because
because
actually
the
the
process
is
actually
running
really
well,
you
know
we're
really
seeing
like
good.
A
I
think
I
think
just
looking
at
fund
two
funds.
Three
like
voting
results
and
assessment
results
like
it
things
look
pretty
good.
I
have
to
say,
but
but
going
forward,
we
will
have
a
diversity
of
review
methodologies,
so
they
will
be
like
you
can
think
about
it
as
different
subgroups
of
advisors.
You
know
with
maybe
particular
field
of
expertise,
or
maybe
that
are
employing
specific
methodologies
for
reviews.
You
know,
and
it
can
be
extremely
diverse.
A
It
can
be
like
just
one
person
with
a
super
expert
and
just
reviews
like
specific
technologies,
to
let's
say
consortium
of
a
thousand
people
that
use
a
you
know,
a
very
crowd-sourced
methodology
to
or
like
a
collective
intelligence
to
guestimate
a
success
and
and
all
of
them
will
run
in
parallel
and
in
the
end
it
will
be
the
job
of
the
voter
to
give
all
these
different
alternative
approaches.
A
Like
feedback
and
saying
like
who
gave
me
who
is
useful
for
me
like
who
do
I
trust
which
metal
methodologies
I
I
believe
in,
and
there
will
be
a
natural
process
of
evolution?
A
Okay,
almost
like
a
marketplace
of
advice
and
it
will
take
place
and,
and
then
and
over
time
you
know
like
a
assessment
assessment
systems
that
are
let's
say
very
vulnerable
to
manipulation
will
will
disappear,
will
will
not
serve
anymore.
The
voters
and
those
that
are
you
know
they
can
prove
empirically
over
time
that
they're,
making
good
predictions
and
and
their
their
predictions
achieve.
High
roi,
you
know,
will
thrive.
A
Greg
greg
greg
now
the
question
topic
just
because,
like
an
announcement
channel,
but
it's
but
greg,
has
good
news:
cardano
exchange
dot
com
made
it
to
the
private
beta
stage,
I'm
announcing
it.
We
did
it.
I
mean
we,
we
got
to
the
private
weather
stage.
Can
what
do
we
need
greg?
Why
do
we
need
to
get
to
the
public
later
stage?
That's
the
ques!
That's
the
question,
but
but
already
like
congratulations
for
pushing
this
project,
so
so
important
well
done
well
done.
Let's
get
to
the
public
beta
stage!
A
Okay,
patrick
care
on
kato
is
saying.
A
Well,
we
need,
I
mean
in
an
ideal
world,
like
you
know,
I
I
you
know
in
an
ideal
world,
we
would
actually
have
a.
We
would
actually
run
like
similar
to
what
we
said
in
our
assessments
right
in
the
little
experiment.
We
would
run
several
voting
systems
in
parallel
and
and
and
see
which
one
performs
better
and
then
over
time
we
chose
the
one
that
produces
like
the
most
high
quality
decisions,
maybe
not
just
high
quality
decisions
but
maybe
even
like
maybe
add
some
kind
of
a
metric
like
fairness
to
that
and
and
trust.
A
Unfortunately,
this
kind
of
logarithmic
function
is
really
easy
to
manipulate
right,
I'm
let's
say
I'm
a
whale
and
I
want
to
have
the
most
influence
and
I
discovered
that
people
with
like
lesser
voting
power
have
a
more
you
know
more
influence
per
ada,
so
I
will
hire
a
developer
and
in
a
day-
or
so
you
know
we
can.
We
can
make
an
automated
algorithm
that
splits
the
accounts
into
smaller,
smaller
wallets,
and
you
know-
and
I
will
vote
like
I-
will
fake
votes
with
a
thousand
sock
puppets.
A
You
know
and
get
that
same
voting
power
and
then
this,
what?
What
did
you?
What
happened?
You
just
incentivized
hacking
of
the
system
and
then
you
just
caused
like
useless
transactions
and
congestion,
so
that
wouldn't
work
the
the
you
know
in
ethereum
when
with
they
use
this
a
like
a
quadratic
quadra,
quadratic
funding
methodology
for
donations-
and
that's
not
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
not.
A
You
know
it
can
only
it
works
because
it's
donations
and
it
works
because
there's
like
so
few
funds
at
stake
that
nobody
cares
like
really
like,
like,
like
honestly
like
and
and
and
they
haven't
solved
it
like
people
are
gaming,
the
system
you
know
where
we're
they're
not
not
being
transparent
like
about
it.
So
so
it
sounds
like
a
good
idea
to
pursue,
but
you
in
in
order
for
us
to
seriously
start
to
experiment
with
different
distribution
of
voting
power,
and
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
an
identity
solution.
A
Okay,
so
you
know
you
know
we
need
to
to
ensure
that
you
can
simply
attack
and
manipulate
that.
So
that's
a
big,
very
big,
that's
a
tall!
Ask
we're
thinking
about
it.
We
would
love
to
do
it
and
it,
but
all
with
identity
count.
Identity
comes
with
a
cost.
There's
a
big
trade
off
there,
because
you
know,
with
with
the
coming
cardano
community
willing
to
do
a
kyc
in
order
to
to
gain
voting
power.
A
You
know
we
don't
even
know
that
there's
there's
like
and
there's
also
you
know,
and
you
have
a
tala
an
empty
solution.
Just
launched
5
million
people
in
africa.
Do
you
want
them
to
focus
on
onboarding
africa?
Or
do
you
want
them
to
fix
catalysts?
You
know
what's
the
priorities
so
right,
you
know
right
right
now
the
priorities
is
africa
and
I
and
I
think,
that's
a
good.
That's
a
that's
a
good
call
and
but
I
think
an
ongoing
discussion
about
it
is
is
useful.
A
I
would
even
think
that
a
challenge
in
this
theme
that
can
be
proposed
by
the
community
to
do
run.
Experiments
with
different
levels
of
voting
power
is
is
is
possible.
So
let's
keep
it
as
an
open
open.
Another
another
wicked
problem.
It's
like
it's
like
a
wicked
problem
day.
Today.
Okay,.
A
A
I
have
more
more
more
projects
to
to
complete
today,
actually
like
quite
a
lot,
but
let's
enter
crypto
prime.
A
A
I
want
to
ask
here
if
there
is
any
real
connection
with
ada
for
those
projects,
ocam
dot
phi
card,
starter,
charlie
three-
I
don't
know
I
can't
I
mean
I
I
don't
have
any
personal
connection
with
any
of
his
projects
and
I
don't
know
what
is
I
o
hk
position
about
it?
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure.
I
don't
think
this
is
the
forum
to
to
know.
Do
your.
Do
your
own
research
and
you
know
be.
A
Be
careful,
it
would
be
cool.
I
mean
I
mean
I'd
love.
If
we'll
have
like
a
decentralized
auditing
initiative,
you
know
if
we
can,
we
can.
For
example,
like
you
know,
catalyst
can
fund
a
team
investigators.
You
know
it
could
be
community
volunteers
that
have
been
trained
that
can
actually
go
and,
and
and
you
know
they
can
have
a
prioritized
list
of
projects
that
gain
high
visibility
and
they
can
go
and
audit
them.
A
You
know,
and
then,
if
and
if
these
companies
don't
want
to
be
audited
by
our
decentralized
mechanism,
then
we
can
highlight
them
and
say:
oh,
they
refuse
an
audit.
That
sounds
fishy.
You
know,
so
we
can
solve
this
together.
If
you
want,
you
know
it's
it's
a
matter
of
the
community
deciding
to
do
that.
A
Okay,
that's
it
for
me,
for
today
it
was
actually
really
fun.
I
really
enjoyed
the
questions.
A
If
I
had
the
you
know,
I
think
the
bigger
question
is:
if
you
have
two
doors-
and
one
is
a
liar
and
one
is
telling
the
truth
is
like
is,
that
is
heaven
actually
the
place
you
want
to
be
sounds
a
bit
boring.
Maybe
maybe
hell
is
the
more
exciting
option.