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A
This
very
much
is
brook's
idea,
although
you
know,
as
things
happen
in
standards,
we
very
quickly
iterated
into
some
chat
channels
around
this,
so
the
content
addressed
alliance.
What
does
this
mean?
What
does
it
mean
to
work
together?
A
A
Talking
about,
you
probably
want
me
recorded
what
ipfs
even
is-
and
I
think
this
this
event
has
really
taught
us
that
there's
lots
of
different
pieces,
and
maybe
we
can
back
off
from
you-
know
you
hosting
your
own
ipfs
node,
with
full
lib
p2p
at
home.
In
your
basement,
where
you
have
all
your
diagrams
is
probably
not
the
only
version
of
ipfs.
A
So
for
me,
my
work
and
involvement
in
the
ipfs
community
is
really
inspired
by
I'm.
Still.
I've
now
spent
20
years
working
on
this
problem.
What
problem?
I
think
that
every
human
being
on
the
planet
should
be
able
to
put
content
online
and
store
it
there
effectively
forever
at
effectively
zero
cost.
A
I've
been
really
incredibly
inspired
by
ipfs
as
a
commons
network.
I
think
we've
actually
reached
that
goal
right.
It
has
the
technical
specifications
that
allows
anyone
on
the
planet
to
store
content
effectively
forever
effectively
for
free
because
of
content
addressing
meaning.
You
don't
need
to
ask
permission
to
give
a
about
a
piece
of
content
and
help
keep
it
online.
A
You
can
keep
it
on
your
laptop
or
a
little
raspberry
pi
or
on
your
phone
or
put
on
a
usb
key
and
when
you
find
it
again
in
a
closet
somewhere,
20
years
later,
plug
it
in
and
it
will
once
again
become
available.
A
That's
really
important
to
me.
My
early
involvement
in
open
source
was
at
a
time
when
I
was
a
young,
privileged
north
american
white
male,
who
had
some
extra
time
to
get
involved
in
open
source,
and
mostly
there
was
north
america
in
western
europe
that
was
involved
now,
I'm
in
middle-aged
well-off
north
american
white
male.
Who
who
has
this
ability,
but
I
want
to
make
room
for
everyone
in
the
entire
world?
A
That's
very
important
to
me
and
that's
why
I
gravitated
in
the
extended
web
3
multiverse
to
ipfs
as
a
base
layer
that
I
was
very
very
comfortable.
Supporting
persistence
is
a
problem.
Various
other
things
are
problems,
but
the
base
protocols
allows
everyone
to
be
involved,
and
so
that's
what
underlies
my
ipfs
has
won.
Let's
encourage
everyone
that
content
addressing
is
a
good
for
the
entire
world
and
I
hosted
a
talk
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
about
ipfs
in
space.
So
I
actually
am
really
excited
about
that
as
well.
B
So
content
addressing
obviously
has
a
bunch
of
advantages.
That
means
that
stuff
isn't
stuck
in
one
place.
We
can
move
it
around.
We
can
do
lots
of
things
and
we
wanted
to
get
this
super
powerful
idea
to
get
used
to
more
places.
B
So
if
we
look
around
and
see
what
other
people
are
doing,
there's
a
bytecode
alliance
and
the
bandwidth
alliance
and
the
bycode
alliance
essentially
are
the
folks
improving,
webassembly
and
bandwidth
alliance
are
people
that
are
mainly
taking
on
amazon
realistically,
who
are
sharing
bandwidth
and
saying
we're
going
to
not
charge
for
bandwidth
from
in
this
group
and
we'll
host
each
other's
content
and
we'll
send
stuff
around
and
we'll
just
be
better
together
right.
They
get
together.
B
A
I
will
say
that
I
think
it's
it's
almost
a
little
bit
like
what
old-school
companies
do,
because
they
don't
have
the
fabric
of
experimenting
with
a
pln,
but
that's
okay
like
this
is
meant
to
be
a
wider
umbrella.
I
think,
because
we
just
had
a
standards
talk.
This
is
not
the
place
where
standards
happen.
A
You
know
people
may
learn
about
them
and
go
over
into
those
standards
areas,
but
this
is
more
like,
let's
be
super
positive
about
doing
this
and
working
on
give
real
examples
to
your
point
about
my
business
as
a
real
example
of
using
this.
This
is
where
some
of
that
stuff
lives
over
time,
and
we
can
have
you
know,
pictures
of
dietrich
shaking
hands
with
another
super
important
person.
B
Well
and
to
brendan's
point
from
a
couple
minutes
ago,
a
lot
of
us
are
tiny
little
companies
that
don't
have
time
to
do
everything.
So,
let's
divide
up
the
problem
and
attack
it
and
help
each
other
out
right
which
takes
me
to
my
next
point,
know
thy
enemy
right
except
that's,
that's
not
your
enemy
right.
They
actually
love
each
other.
B
Else
right,
like
having
everything
locked
in
one
place-
and
it's
like
you
know,
pearl
collabs
is
huge
and
like
no
like
protoclaps
is
tiny
by
comparison
to
aws.
It's
like
doesn't
even
register
right.
So
let's
do
more
of
this
right.
Let's
help
each
other
out.
Let's
realize
that
we're
all
in
one
community
and
we're
going
up
against
really
big
odds,
huge
odds
right
so
boris
gave
you
know
this
this
this
vision
and
reasoning
and
he's
the
ceo
I'm
the
cto.
So
I'm
gonna
get
down
to
brass
tacks.
B
B
We
should
all
run
webrtc
at
least
webrtc
star
nodes,
if
not
a
full
mesh,
apparently
matrix,
has
something
that
coming
out
shortly
in
the
next,
whatever
few
months
that
will
do
mesh
version
of
webrtc
across
across
the
internet,
that's
something
that
we
should
run
right.
B
Runs
in
browsers
right
so,
like
all
of
these
panes,
that
we
keep
bumping
into
that,
we
have
set
up
our
own
stuff
for
why?
Let's
just
help
each
other
out
right,
let's
get
in
a
room
and
say:
what's
everybody
else
feeling
the
pain
about,
and
let's
just
agree
that
we're
all
going
to
run
this
thing
done.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
everyone
in
the
community.
B
It
can
be
people
that
are
actually
running
the
stuff
at
scale
right
or
people
that
really
care
about
it
enough
to
run
these
things
because
never
mind
the
business
side
of
things.
Physics
is
a
thing
right
and
you
know
you
often
hear
well.
Decentralized
systems
will
never
perform
because
you
have
to
deal
with
geographic
distribution,
all
this
stuff
cool,
let's
solve
that.
Let's
just
work
together
right,
let's
get
stuff
all
over
the
world.
B
Ipfs,
isn't
the
only
content
addressed
system?
Let's
talk
to
other
projects
and
very
different
things
right.
I
was
chatting
with
some
folks
at
breakfast
this
morning
about
unison,
which
is
a
content-addressed
language.
It
has
like
programming.
B
B
Slightly
different,
you
know
parts
of
the
design,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
work
together.
Nyx
and
nyx
os
are
currently
working
on
a
content
address
experiment,
let's
bring
them
in.
Let's
see
how
what
they're
learning
about
stuff-
let's
see
if
we
can
share
some
of
these
pieces
together
and
not
rebuild
everything,
100
million
times
in
slightly
different
variations,
or
if
they
have
some
reason
to
go,
and
do
that
we
should
just
say:
hey:
did
you
know
about
these
things?
This
is
our
experience
with
it
and
vice
versa.
B
A
So
this
is
sort
of
a
I
think,
also
in
in
this
project,
in
community
track.
This
is
a
an
rfc,
for
perhaps
we
actually
come
up
with
a
process
within
the
ipfs
ecosystem
within
the
pln
and
I'm
very
inspired
by
david
r
and
chicks
compute
over
data
working
group.
So
I
think
this
follows
a
similar
pattern.
Can
we
like
okay,
who's
interested
who
wants
to
work
on
this?
A
Let's
use
the
ipfs
discourse
for
now,
as
a
like
default
place
to
talk
about
it,
it
might
graduate
to
somewhere
else,
but
ipfs
discord
chat.
So
this
is
me
saying:
let's
use
these
two
places
to
start
with
to
signaling.
What
are
the
goals
of
the
content
and
addressing
alliance
should
be
our
call?
A
What
kind
of
crow
mascot
will
we
build
for
it
and
and
learn
from
some
of
these
other
orgs
brooks
said
this
before
you
know
the
buy
code
alliance
ban
with
alliance,
but
you
know,
as
we
thought
about
this,
it's
like.
Can
we
get
pl?
A
Who
is
the
largest
of
us,
but
will
be
the
smallest
in
the
bicoid
alliance
to
you
know,
join
the
bicode
alliance
on
behalf
of
all
of
pln
as
an
example
bandwidth
alliance,
that's
probably
one
where
we
would
reach
out
to
folks
who
work
with
file
coin
storage
providers.
I
recently
heard
that
file
coin
sps
generally
are
already
interconnecting,
rather
than
only
interconnecting
between
themselves.
They
should
also
be
introduced
to
the
bandwidth
alliance
and
and
connected
into
there
right.
A
So
while
this
has
been
the
the
pitch
for
the
content
address
alliance,
this
is
in
us
in
general,
saying
this
kind
of
mesh
or
network
thinking
can
expand
to
lots
of
other
areas
when
we
should
actively
look
for
spaces
where
we
can
do
that
like
this,
so
join
us
in
those
two
spaces
we'll
do
follow-ups
in
the
project
and
community
track
and
we'd
love
to
hear
your
extended
questions
and
comments.
A
A
Yeah,
actually,
I
I
guess
another
pattern
that
I
will
like
promote
in
general,
because
I'm
always
looking
for
reusable
tools
for
a
bunch
of
these
things
and
if
we
immediately
dive
into
the
who's,
the
president
of
the
caa
alliance
sort
of
thing
like
that
that'll
be
awkward.
A
Communication
areas
is
a
great
way
to
start
with
in
in
different
areas.
Open
collective
is
a
way
to
basically
get
a
bank
account
so
that
without
having
to
create
an
organization
first,
so
that
might
be
a
pattern
that
we
do
in
general
of
flowing
through
things.
There
again,
I
think
we'll
start
with
like
basically
minimal
or
contributed
resources.
So
we
won't
immediately.
Have
you
know,
cost
sort
of
thing,
but
you
know:
can
we
avoid
creating
an
org
and
not
have
the
operations?
C
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
fact
that
you're
really
encouraging
the
use
of
the
forum,
I'm
pretty
new
to
the
community
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
really
noticed
is
that
we're
losing
so
many
of
our
efforts
that
we're
putting
into
discord
chats,
I
think,
using
a
platform
like
discord,
and
I
think,
like
this
course
and
a
forum
that
we
own,
I
think
is,
is
a
great
public
forum
for
us
to
be
able
to
retain
this
information
and
to
scale
our
community.
C
C
C
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
that
seems
to
be
obvious
from
this
presentation
just
from
an
understanding
of
the
internet,
is
that
building
software
can
go
a
long
way,
but
we
do
really
rely
on
real
infrastructure
and
and
cloudflare
has
done
an
immense,
immensely
helpful
job
in
really
promoting
that
idea
by
investing
in
ipfs.
C
But
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
think
about
having
more
of
these
players
and
I
wonder
what
the
opportunities
that
are
sort
of
in
our
blind
spot.
You
know
you
love
to
put
that
image
of
the
side
mirror
of
the
car
where
objects
seem
may
seem
closer
than
they
actually
are.
C
B
A
Think
the
unison
is
a
good
example.
Next
is
a
good
example
where
there
have
been
various
efforts,
possibly
at
the
wrong
time
or
too
early
or
various
other
things
like
that.
That
this
event
is
is
is
an
understanding
that
ipfs
is
bigger
than
kubo,
and
you
know,
and
juan
has
had
some
previous
talks
about
trying
to
explain
this
in
different
ways
that
I
really
resonate
with
as
well
is
including
the
like.
You
can't
make
a
performant
ipfs
node
in
python.
A
It's
like
it
doesn't
matter
it's
in
python,
so
pythonic
people
will
be
like
cool
here's.
The
thing
that
I
can
use,
so
it's
and
the
spec
process
is
needed
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
like
that
right
to
to
blow
these
things
apart
a
little
bit.
So
this
is
a
slightly
different
layer.
This
is
again
actually
the
software
piece
and
then
that
other
layer
of
what
opportunities
are
there
for
larger
entities
to
use
ipfs.
A
Netflix,
lowering
their
bandwidth
costs
dramatically
by
using
ipfs
to
push
docker
images
around.
You
know
there's
various
other
things.
So
this
is
a
meta
thing.
We
we
need
to
showcase,
what's
possible,
promote
content
addressing
as
a
concept
and
then
people
are
like.
Oh,
I
could
use
it
for
x
and
support
those
people
with
a
software
stack
of
doing
a
proof
of
concept
of
x
and
right
again.
This
is
all
long
road
stuff,
never
mind
the
standardization
part
kind
of
thing,
but
I
think
there's
lots
of
areas
and
there's
another
meta
area.
A
Where
turns
out,
I
don't
have
a
large
enough
team
enough
money
enough
time
enough
focus
to
be
like.
I
have
another
crazy
idea.
Where
do
I
put
it
down
and
see
if
three
other
people
are
interested
in
funding
it
and
getting
a
proof
of
concept?
So
I
think
that's
a
meta
thing
that
I'd
like
to
support.
I
have
a
yeah,
no
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
a
specific
example.
Well
I
mean
one
of
those
things
is
in
fact
taking
content
out
of
discord,
chats
and
having
an
ipfs
bot.
A
That
turns
you
just
had
an
amazing
chat
for
an
hour
with
a
group
of
people
that
then
takes
it
and
pushes
it
to
ipfs,
and
you
just
you
know
like
that,
is
an
actual
useful
thing
that
you
take
stuff.
That's
currently
trapped
in
discord,
chats
and
only
ephemeral,
and
you
give
it
a
content
address.
I
think
there
are
many
many
many
many
discord
servers
that
are
like
that's
super
useful.
E
F
That's
a
nice
segue,
maybe
into
the
question
that
I
was
going
to
ask,
is
that
content
addressing
brings
a
lot
of
benefits,
but
also
challenges
and
one
of
the
things
that
protocol
labs
does
and
anybody
else
who's
running
production.
Ipfs
infrastructure
is
to
handle
the
parts
where
it's
a,
maybe
a
personal
like
a
doxing
or
a
personal
information.
Leakage
in
that
discord,
chat
that
you
just
pushed
up
to
content
addressing
and
a
bunch
of
people
are
also
saving
and
serving.
F
How
do
you
see
the
content
addressed
alliance
participating
in
that
type
of
conversation
and
representing
both
sides
of
content?
Addressing.
B
I
mean
look
it.
The
idea
really
is
to
just
have
it
to
be
a
place
where
people
can
take.
Actually,
so
pl
has
done
a
lot
of
this
stuff
just
directly
for
a
long
time
right,
just
as
a
single
org
that
works,
but
it
also
means
that
you
know
pl
isn't
running
this
as
an
operator
with
customers
right.
It
doesn't
have
that
perspective.
B
That
point
of
view,
and
can
like
does
things
for
the
health
of
the
network-
does
like
all
of
this
stuff
right
but,
like
you
know
at
one
point,
we
ended
up
running
the
ipfs
operators
group
because
we
were
like
well,
surely
surely
the
problem
is
us
we're
holding
ipfs
wrong
and
got
a
bunch
of
other
people
in
the
room
who
were
like?
Oh,
we
thought
that
we
were
doing
it
wrong
too,
and
other
than
the
fact
that
realizing
that
was
helpful
and
then
let
us
go
down
a
layer
and
say:
okay.
B
Well,
here,
let's
actually
fix
these
parts
right
having
those
kinds
of
groups
where
then
you
can
share
the
responsibility
right
is
just
helpful
and
have
a
place
to
discuss
them.
Yeah.
A
And
talk
about
them,
I
think
this
is
the
point.
Is
we
start
having
a
decision
tree
right
of
like?
Oh?
Is
it
it's
not
a
standards
thing?
It
might
be
an
advocacy
thing
or
might
be
other
thing.
That's
a
great
content
addressed
alliance
home
for
the
those
discussions.
Oh
great,
we've
done
something
that
probably
should
get
turned
into
a
standard
wheel
in
detroit.
A
F
I
love
that
vision.
I
think
one
challenge
might
be
if
the
if
the
approach
so
far
is
to
make
it
a
real
organization
as
late
as
possible,
you
also
might
be
pushing
off
your
ability
to
have
real
impact
on
some
of
those
problems,
actually
be
that.
A
So
yeah,
I
think
I
think
more
like
maybe
that's
a
not
me
call
in
the
sen,
in
the
sense
that,
let's
convene
let's
talk
about
it,
it
will
come
about
the
the
purpose
of
the
working
group
around.
This
will
be
to
birth,
the
caa
and,
like
that's
the
first
thing
of
figuring
out
what
it
looks
like
who's
going
to
throw
in
the
first
couple
of
bucks,
we'll
pass
the
hot
put
people
inside
of
it.
So
rather
than
like
learn
from
the
w3c
rather
than
four
universities
in
a
trench
coat.
B
So
the
other
thing
is
like
even
putting
this
presentation
together.
It's
like
well,
what's
the
bounds
of
a
content,
stress
alliance,
because
we
had
different
ideas
of
where
the
bounds
were
the
line
that
I've
been
saying.
This
entire
event
is
we're
still
at
the
food,
water
and
shelter
part
of
the
hierarchy.
B
Right
like
I
need
my
stuff
to
work
and
I
used
to
run
faster,
and
that
means
I
need
collaboration
from
other
people
right
and
they
can't
all
sit
on
pl
shoulders,
all
the
time
right
and
getting
more
people
involved
and
who
are
running
things
at
scale
right,
and
so
it's
my
conception
of
it,
which
could
be
completely
wrong
and
not
the
way
this
thing
goes
entirely.
Right
is
less
standards
and
more
informal.
A
And
not
just
that,
so
various
technical
people
will
be
very
uncomfortable
with
this,
but
it
turns
out
that
we
have
to
do
marketing
and
advocacy
as
well,
and
we
fact
we're
gonna
need
to
do
it
ahead
of
things
being
fully
baked,
because
that
kind
of
marketing
and
advocacy
takes
a
while
and
and
ideally
what
we
will
say
to
you
is
we
will
bring
you
people
who
will
have
a
constant
set
of
real
user
needs
that
should
inform
how
you're
thinking
about
technical
solutions
and
and
needs,
which
is
probably
okay.
D
Know
maybe
that
would
have
been
a
really
great
ending
point.
Did
you
go
keep
going
yeah,
okay,
I
was
gonna,
say
I
think,
we're
immediately
running
into
the
question
of
scope
and
like
where
does
this
thing
scope
and
I'd
like
the
thing
that
I
would
like
to
sort
of
like
plus
one
is
this
idea
of
like?
D
Can
we
just
start
on
some
of
the
like
rough
consensus
and
working
code
basis
of
I
think,
there's
some
great
opportunities
in
sending
data
to
each
other,
starting
to
establish
and
broaden
the
spectrum
of
reliable
partners
who
are
understanding
and
starting
to
think
longer
term
into
okay?
I'm
now
committing
to
being
a
part
of
a
network
and
having
a
certain
uptime
and
availability
time
and
like
can.
D
We
then
extend
and
add
to
the
number
of
bootstrap
nodes
so
that
we
actually
see
that
those
bootstrap
nodes
are
cross-organizational
and
like
that
I
think,
would
be
another
method.
But
if
we're
gonna
do
that
right,
we
need
a
mechanism
for
like,
let's
be
real
startups
fail.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
we
like
get
those
out
when
they're
not
no
longer
reliable.
How
do
we
transition
those
like
if
we
do
that?
D
A
Absolutely-
and
I
think
that
I
think
the
point
here
is
is
like
remember,
this
is
not
not
technical
right
in
either
right,
but
it
it
in
fact
is
like
oh
right.
The
ipfs
operators
group
should
in
fact
be
a
portion
of
caa,
and
it's
closer
to
that.
You
know
like
and
again
there's
other
things
that
have
been
done.
There's
the
canada
has
the
canary
network,
which
is
a
backbone
of
university
high
speed,
fiber
the
caa
would
go
to
canary
and
be
like.
A
You
should
run
some
content
addressing
stuff
on
that
backbone
that
you
just
have
sitting
around
right,
like
oh,
an
academic
channel.
Yes,
one
of
the
things
I've
been
wondering
about
again,
but
we're
like
super
tiny,
I'm
like
brooke,
we
sure
do
do
a
lot
of
these
research
papery
things
we
should
probably
like
talk
to
more
universities,
and
I
think
this
is
the
point:
is
that
can
we
have
a
route
that
is
not
just
one
more
thing
that
pl
has
to
do
right,
so
this?
A
This
is
also
a
recognition
of
of
like
sharing
that
operational
organizational
energy-wise
load
right.
I.