IPFS Project Operations Working Group, 8 Jan 2019

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From YouTube: 2019, Jan 08 - IPFS Project WG Sync

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A

Hi welcome everyone to the project working groups. We think of the first one of 2019 today is January the 8th. We today have a new document for meeting notes. I've shared it on zoom', but I can share the can just join and keep this so today, Oh Thank, You, Molly I, see I've been assigned as a moderator, I guess I'll do that and Molly it's a note-taker. Thank you all for taking notes, yeah. So first, just quick, PSA I released a call to 30 minutes I just like to try to make it more efficient.

A

We time and try to make you scholar more about the coordination point rather than like a warp our moment product. If we need to schedule other work hours like we can always do that, like it's not like, adding that as usual, perhaps like. Let's just give people like two minutes to add any agenda items, let's review the agenda and then, if there are new agenda items, we can do this like ranking, as we have been so far, which is helpful all right. Two minutes counting now.

A

Or people can just like give a thumbs up here if they feel like it's done and and so you can say, oh you have a hand. This.

B

Is not a new topic, this is I just clicked on our waffle board and it's got a random stuff in an IP of I, slash ipfs in it, and is that expected because, like C+ implementations, Haskell implementation, c-sharp implementations seem a little out of scope for this venue unless it's a saying which of these is most important, and we want to push some humans toward I'm confused. Tell me more what.

A

Do you mean, are you not studying C++ too I mean it'd, be fine.

B

A

A good like jumping to the first item of the agenda, so we have a Kanban board. We have a bunch of repos that we track right now, the ones that I added was, of course, if you management people, the project, new repo itself and the ipfs happy fest and the roadmap people. So one of the things I spent some time doing this past week, we're just like removing the spider webs from all these issues, because some of them are real, really old, and some of them are about these topics as like.

A

Will there be C++ implementation or C sharp, etc? Some of them are actually very good ideas that people contributed to the projects things that they have done, research things that they have noticed that we could improve on or just like feature requests, etc.

A

When this repo was originally created, we in the IP personalization, we didn't have the notes, repo, which is today the collaborative notebook and, and so what I've done is removing these spider webs was closing the one that already got answered for the things that I already I've happened, and so I just provide the pointer.

A

So the user, or the ones that are still very good ideas, I moved them to the notes, people, one of the things we can do as a project working group is make sure that, like these issues, have a follow-up or a place to leave, do not get forgotten, and so that's why they appear on the wall work today they don't have to leave in the ffs forever.

A

We can also unfollow the ipfs Sasha Pieterse people, but for now, given a bet, there is an entry point and the on warning points the project. It felt wise that I have a working group that is responsible to check it to track it until what I would like to invite. Everyone is to join me on this effort of cleaning the spiderwebs from from these issues like checking on them, see what they talk about see if there is already a good, better location for them to live.

A

If, yes, then, just like Google transfer, if not, let's checking the next time and see like if there are too many issues that I just belong to these people. That should not be on our line of sight and so what to do about that I actually I, don't have any plan beyond just like making sure that you know them.

A

This is make sense. Answer to your question. Any father comes to how.

B

Do I sort waffle by something like priority? It was like. That's that's the problem. We add all of this stuff and then there's a lot of stuff and I can't find the important stuff.

A

So I don't know how to sort sort but I know how to filter and so yeah like the filter at the top right. If you click it, you can filter by multiple filters, assignee epochs labels etc, and typically, what I do is just like. I pick the priority levels, please Europe you want, and and so on and and yeah another thing that, like waffle, gives us which I haven't created any, but you actually can create epics.

A

So you can create like a batch of issues that, like belonged like a specific goal, and so, instead of like having to move 10 or 20 issues like you just move like this one card or, like you know, priority it's this one card that leaves on waffle but like there's like some good tutorials on waffle on there awful that I a web page I can I speak some and share with the group, so that, like we all share understanding all to use these tools.

A

But we also can ask them to have a feature to like sort circles: I go hi, Emily.

B

Sorry I feel like I'm on this, but I think, given the current view of waffles driving, the meeting off of waffle seems difficult.

B

So if the goal is like I want this, so that I can kind of like the lab OS Kanban, whereas like I, take it glance and I like know which things are the top priorities today and like know which things people are actively working on and which things are done for this particular group of people who are trying to get things done, like I feel like I, can use that Kanban for that purpose. This I feel, like is a an interesting, creative high level.

B

Look at stuff, that's happening in my PFS world, but not something that I can use to like prioritize. So if, if I were to imagine something that is more of a you know, checking or agenda item for this group, it's more like here are the projects that we are working on and we're gonna check in on any of those that have updates or questions or blockers of like okay roadmap. That's something that's important to us. What are what is moved on that this week, we.

C

A

To do anything.

B

Okay, okay are whatever we need to do: okay, on on-ramp, new working groups, and so like we kind of have those agenda items and we check in on them. Where is I? Could imagine waffle doing that? If there were nothing else, but that in it? But since there's so much other stuff, I think and I'm making too many comments, I'm not taking notes.

A

Thank you think. You've heard a question. I I, do understand the feeling and and right now, like the reason why I spend so much time like removing the best from all these issues was just so like we could frame the waffle board into a measurable state by humans, but like there the reality is, it's still challenging, and so either we actually manage to actually like again move the thing gets very clean and very easy to observe, or we need to iterate now or wait.

A

We approach to Kanban or decide to drop combat at all, but um but like that there might be space for a pre step or like filtering these issues, to bring some like all the more important issues to the meeting to be reviewed, rather than asking the group to review a hundred mission issues 200 issues altogether, and that is something that I I think we actually need to like help data organization level up because, like forever a long time, we have been using this structure of the waffle board.

A

We back in box like already in progress done, but right now it might be time to actually have something more to kind of like provide this clarity. I, like I, upgraded their previous kind of and documents to have the description of how we use it today and actually I know that Michel has been thinking about this and so which I don't know.

A

If you have like any right away comments to this I know, you have some ideas, but, like one thing, I would like to propose is for us, as a group to kind of like do a proposal of great a can belt or a call like if this is something we believe beneficial like this precept pre-filtering, can we upgrade the protocol so that we all share that version of the protocol?

A

We sound like you and I. Can any comment. I know I, give anything about waffle boards and how to help teams understand what is the top things to look at.

C

Yep I've said I think I. Unfortunately, during the meeting like five minutes late and I, think that's when you said the thing about the filtering, so I missed the filtering part, but yes, I mean in general I'm a proponent of boards and pulling things in and I agreed with the things that Molly said, though yeah we have to yep, do the thing so I guess I'll go and read your suggestion, I'm sure it's somewhere and then I think you be. Some comments, got.

A

It got it okay, so that's good too. The the issue was brought up. We have a came on board, it's still very hard to manage. We have a protocol about, we use it Kanban board. It's like clearly describes that explains the role of each column. We know we need to upgrade it. We don't know the final solution. Yet there is some ideas, let's like then do the upgrade by requesting to this description to this can bend up and B so that we all understand and with you cool, ok, so did I sorry I.

C

Think Steve's had a question and then I the question.

A

D

Get I was just gonna ask whether Molly, if, if this Kanban board, were to have all the the metadata added like priority etc, which is maybe not established across the entire all the issues there and we just started a meeting looking at p0 and p1, for instance, across IP of s, is a way to set the table for the project working group work. Does that? Does that get to what you both would be looking for so we'd be looking at a filtered view of this of this IP FS yeah.

B

If we only set p0 and p1 on items that we as the project working group cared about and like, and we had full coverage of all the things we care about in issues across these various repos then effectively gives us a list of projects or epics or whatever that are important for this group to be working on and then yes, we could use this filter and we could use this thing.

B

This is assuming that, like no one else uses those things across the.

C

Other repos, where we don't hire them.

B

For example, like the meeting notes from weekly meetings, which, like really, we do not need to discuss in this forum, but are all currently in our Kanban and might have a priority according to someone else and so I think that's we could effectively if we had a label. That's like we care about this, then we could filter on that label and we can filter on priority and we can get a view. I understand.

C

Now that helped me understand where this this conversation came from and I do have a useful comment, maybe which is priority. Labels tend to conflict with columns. I tend to use the columns to to show focus so, like the other board that I set up that I know W, do you have a node on and I just haven't gotten back to? It's like we all, as a group decide what goes into the column that says like we are focusing on these things right now, and you have to do that manually.

C

That's not a thing that can happen automatically. So probably my comments around this will be. This isn't really a Kanban problem. It's a time and somebody has to manage a problem. Yeah and group like coming together and saying we're gonna put these and we're thinking of this column. Now and then, when we come to the meeting, we focus on my column where what, if this yeah.

B

So I'm just demonstrating really fast yeah what it looks like when you filter by priorities. It keeps things in their columns. No.

C

Like you said, like people are using priorities across all of our stuff in really different ways, and we need a way to show this group of people what we we are saying we like, so we either have to make a new label, which is what I originally tried to do in the other thing that's like for us, but then it has the the viewpoint about the problem or then it adds this like label craft to everybody else's repos and that's not fun yeah, so yep the filtering.

C

But then it gets this overlapping thing and then there's this other thing where each group actually uses those filter. Those priority labels in a very different way, like some people like divvied you'll, come in and be like I think this is the important to me and puts the priority label on and then like, like.

C

We have in the hiring thing where we have to figure out that hiring was using a priority thing in a different way, and then we ended up with two different things, and dude is just so anyways I find it easier to do if you're doing Kanban with a group eautiful columns I'm just always go to the columns.

C

A

Bring a little points in the only note I would add, is like I think it's actually like it makes about strategies like the priority level. Labels couldn't get one thing to the rest of the organization and to the rest of the community.

A

The columns communicate something very valuable to the team which, like what to focus and like what people are working on, like the waffle board, the tool itself like, for example, let says hi some of these cards like so we could perhaps like hide the card that says Jess weekly meeting or go I be passed weekly meeting, because we don't have to look at it at all until there's like so much portion here. My my only ask is really like.

A

If we could drive the the remaining of the conversation through like either an issue or full request to this document, then we will have this protocol written down that we can like not only hear about the wrestling musician. I think like there is act, a step to upgrade the protocol that will be beneficial to other working groups that are using Kanban as well and Ali. Ali.

C

Put a note in the group chat is my kiss in a jerk but read what Ali.

A

Wrote I might keep failing my authorities. We have a job to do because to me this repo way, it's very ties that as a job first, oh there is a separate issue that projects what projects or a waffle can men should pull from good. Thank you yeah. Can we have that selection item? Probably already for all of us.

A

A

You can add that I was like me as never, but like I would appreciate everyone stop all right. I mean it. We have steal a bunch of items, perhaps 30 so help working groups. By the way can we close the can bad thing like all good awesome out working groups finalize their 2019 q1, okay, arts, including our own, some. We also have to finalize our own. So, ok, ours are still open like they are still getting reviewed versus some more to do. Like teams already presented, they already got a bunch of feedback.

A

They already got some extra feedback already this year's time, but I think I could be super helpful to have some kind of like divide and conquer strategy. The same way did we approach your maps to help teams. Just like rabbit to the end, and so that's what I wanted to propose I.

A

Can we like divide ourselves by working groups so that we can help each working group get their cares in exited dates like what would be like a fair dates to put on the calendar to say: okay, this should all be merged and like we should just go ahead.

B

All he does. This already exist on our okay, our calendar, let's swing from the edge.

E

It's that calendar- it just goes by start and end date and doesn't account for the fact that we might roll in months of months, I'm still not finalizing, but I'm. It's a cool calendar thanks for bringing it up. It.

B

Exists great my proposal, my mother puzzle that I had acted out was end of next week and I, like the idea for there being a weekly team meeting between now and then caveat that I think distributed dynamic data and capabilities. I get you guys, so mixed up I think just had their bi-weekly meeting and therefore would not have another meeting prior to that deadline and I think the reason the reason I want. That is because I want us to have time in a regularly scheduled meeting to do that.

B

The exercise that we did right before break, which was like we took whatever it, was five five minutes and then ten minutes for discussion to be like great as a group. We try and allocate these projects by quarter and we use that as a feedback mechanism to be like who we weren't planning to do this this quarter. But then we're not going to be on track to this other stuff. We wanted to do. huh We need to reprioritize and that might change people's okay ours. It might not I think many times.

B

People will be like nope. Everything is going according to plan, but um I think that's a useful like moment of perspective, to take on okay ours. If people have that regularly scheduled time to do that, you can also do it async and then you know, make comments about it, and people could totally do that. I found it useful in our meeting to like have that mini discussion of walking through it but curious if other people have thumbs up thumbs down on that being a in the last five minutes of Road mapping.

B

Time requested from from our working groups at this quarter.

A

So, if anderson, while a proposal, is let's first yet the working groups to finish several maps by showing them out to Timeline exercise and then ask them to finish yogurts, because what without the roadmap they might be pointing to the wrong? Who cares?

A

B

I see them kind of tied together, which is that a as as a way of people getting a perspective on their ok ours, they can be like well, you know, or is this putting us where we want to be like we set these goals for ourselves? If we complete these goals, are we gonna be where we want to be and a way of not checking that is like well? Can we build the other things we want to build on top of what we'll have done at the end of the quarter?

B

If this is getting us there and so I see, this is kind of like a tool in the toolbox for people to be like yep he's, okay, RC good or like who these otheres are off, so yes, but I'm kind of framing them together. Where like this is the thing you do to be like? Yes, these okay, ours are seem like totally on track check versus like ooh. This one is off and it does tell you this one in particular is off.

B

So, there's not like these two separate chunks of work, which is like we do this road mapping thing and then we refocus, and we do some. Okay are things like coordinated product.

A

Got it, and so for folks that didn't get the chance to be last 4g working group meeting, we ran out a very useful and productive exercise.

A

It took like 15 minutes where we just divided the multiple milestones we had in our roadmap and and people like got the chance to tell like how much important they think the thing was and how achievable the thing was in each quarter and if a mouse zone had to be divided into three quarters or two quarters, because in order to achieve that in q3, like you have to start in q2 or something like that, and so we can like structure that exercise repeated again I. It took us 15 minutes.

A

It was like pretty simple and informed a lot and so and then so I guess, like the the revised proposal. That ball is making is what critics suctions to send, possibly tomorrow to working groups and I'd, say: hey I super helped I'll try to do this before you finalize your carrots, let's get it okay as finalized next week, but it's not necessarily, let's merge the rule map and they all cares next week, just like. Let's merge our next week. This roadmap thing is just like to help. You delay your parents.

A

Okay, so I got the proposal I like it comments.

A

All right cool, so are we all on board with this Holly.

B

If you want to comment in the chat, okay, just I, remember: Mike, not working.

B

All right so I guess actually responding to your other part, which is like divide and conquer, which is like we kind of keep our working group EOC use and like be the extra hey, we're we're here. How's it going. Do you need any help or assistance in doing this, and that means, like you, know, bringing bringing that to a working group, weekly meeting or just hanging with the captain and being like you have any questions.

B

Is there anything that's on fire that, as project working group folks, we can help coordinate I'm done with that, which means that I have offline community infra, glad PFS, I.

A

Can quickly fetch the list probably should have eight dollars on my clipboard, because I use it so many times.

D

A

Yes, this is me, this is usually me I'm writing on.

A

And so thank you and should we do the regular distribution.

A

Okay, okay, so I can you want to I can do I can work with you, Holly.

A

All I can do the browsers.

A

And community, slowly, okay, so centralized data, stewardship and quests are still up for those Michelle should I put Jeremy, that's a big thumbs up. Thank you all right. Well,.

A

Anyway, now we have obviously a regular study with us. How do you and I could to help on this effort.

B

I'd actually I'd volunteer you to take something from me. Going back at the direction you might make a good project working group POC for the community team I feel like there's there's some amount of it.

F

B

It seems related to like thinking about community and be thinking about collaborations, I've been just kind of jumping in and being like. So what's up, how can I help, but you might actually be a better POC for them and I have four right now sounds.

F

Good okay I might want to have like a offline just kind of a morning like methods and practices there from people I've been doing it, but yeah I'm, yeah.

B

So far, it's just kind of like reach out to whatever resources we normally used. Yeah.

F

I've been doing that.

F

Yeah, maybe just chat quickly. Oh thank you. Ping me awesome.

A

Okay, so that is rad thank you and we still need someone to take ownership all by the creation of the tutorial volunteer. Are you laundry money? Awesome I was going to offer. What can we trade tutorial? What if she already volunteers.

A

Cool okay, so this is okay, ours. We have one minute left.

A

And so I'll practice I could touch on the next thing fast and maybe like we can have extra five minutes if people are available for this time. Thank you, oh, is that a real monocle or just like a kid started.

A

How is a Christmas.

A

Cool so IP fest project from a big launch, so I openly see shoes in on the project. Repo I will appreciate your review and comments. We talked about this last month. It's basically getting the community psyched and also, at the same time, making sure that our working groups are super motivated to tackle all these very envision challenges, and that goes true like doing the CPR exercise and the road map time I like the size, etc. Just.

F

A

Sure that people get proper review to to feel that, like they nail the right things like it would be great to kind of like put even if you just I, can internal date like when we want to start launching this. One of the things I proposed on that issue is like we choose the the big launch of like the top level Rome apps, but then also weekly, do one or two working rural maps to the community. Get to me. It's like the working group itself. I also contribute to what you wrote.

A

The challenges that they're going to face and meeting the team like meeting more faces of my PFS, and so we could do this over five weeks, like so lots of announcements. We also have a lot of talks to be published in the in the back burner, and so we have a lot of material to get the community psyched for the next two months, which is actually pretty good, because it's also, we will be announcing again IP fest conference on into yeah.

A

If you want to share comments, ideas, perspectives, otherwise I will propose that let's try just like put a soft state I'm like what, when we want to start this big lunch and then focus on the silkier thing for now and and it starts fighting the backs for that big thing. Oh more times up all right comments in to.

B

And well so it seems like there's two stages here which is like reviewing quadruple, duck our goals and then actually launch launch, which requires some prep work from this group here to be helping with like creating blog, pose and like formatting that message and probably tentatively, some collaboration with the communications working group. If they have any input on this I, don't know they seem to be forming.

B

So maybe there's some resources there that we can collaborate with get review from, but the the step of getting the community to give us input and feedback on our roadmaps prior to the launch, I think, is something that, like a few people have commented, and it's been cool and open issues and been like hey I. Think this thing is important: we're like curious about metrics or something like that. But it also feels like not that many people have we're like there's been less feedback.

B

That I think we hoped so question they're like do we do we need lead time. Do we actually need to be scheduling, two things which is like some chunk of work on trying to like get more people in the community, adding comments and then I'm actually launching at least that's what your your current issue has been of those two phases and.

A

The issue like describe is like very brainstorming, like those are a bunch of items that, like I in my mind but like we should readjust and and I can cooperate. Others I personally think that at least myself and then I haven't done enough work to reach out to our most advanced users, to ask them to review the rule map and see if it meets expectations, and so I would like to do a little bit more work there. Maybe other people have done, and so if there was no response, there was always once that's fair.

A

That's fine, but I. Think like we haven't reached out and like we don't have. We don't need review from a hundred people by getting a review from my three to five other cooperate. Close collaborators and I'm thinking like people like open Bazaar, for example, like would be great or Qri, would be great to just like check out room map and give us a lot of like available feedback.

A

So yeah I would like to try that well.

B

I think we should start doing that now, just like no reason to seem to delay as far as I know- and it seems like that will take a couple weeks- turnaround time and people getting back from the holidays and maybe during you know this the end of January.

B

We should be starting to put together the materials for launch launch phase, which is gonna take five weeks, so it's gonna be kind of like an ongoing rolling thing, but we can maybe try and aim to have the first post, which is probably the main project roadmap post, which kind of sets the stage and the context for everything.

B

Early February, ok,.

A

Ok, so treating.

B

Potential courses we.

A

Could that's good.

F

What channel's rethinking already thinking kind of like a private preview for the kind of closer collaborators, and then the blog post, is that kind of the sequencing. So.

A

In terms of like asking for feedback, I would route the close collaborators to keep it very, very clear on the public repos right now and I stay of something like very critical that, like it's a and it's just critical for them like he didn't want to share it in the public, make an iCal so tell us that directly and then we can readjust and so when reaching out to them. Definitely vacation, hey I, give very something: that's fine, yeah.

F

Yeah I just have yeah I have some concern about having like kind of multiple channels where it's unclear. What's like enough, where you know that.

A

That's a good point until perhaps we should use the collaborations repo to make sure that, like we don't have multiple people like like reaching out to the same groups and so I just like coordinate this effort a little bit more true there and make sure that, like information goes back there. Okay.

F

I think you doing that, like this week.

A

We would love to, but I he's also fine, okay,.

F

Alright, so let me let me kind of.

A

Sweet okay, so we're late on your instructions on now to reach out and like gather information from co-operators, it's awesome, cool, okay, so I'll stop here. We already have a minutes over well the other thing: let's do this one next turn where we have so many things: hot things in our plate on our plate, which is kicking off the package managers working group and then at least here was some minor tasks like some minor asks. If you could like with you this request, there is it for today, oh no, that is like other genomes.

A

Sorry Holly go ahead.

E

Everyone there's an okay, our calendar, it might Mike make any moment and it's nice, because it's an overlay that you can play to anything I started trying to organize my GUI and I was like this is a general thing. Everyone needs this, so I made it a separate calendar. Steve's asked me to rename it ipfs. Okay, ours I just wanted to ask Steve if that was really relevant, because the quarters of a year should be pretty similar for all the projects but I'm willing to prefix it best. If you think that's needed. Oh.

D

I didn't know what detail you're gonna drive the counter. So if it's at that high level yeah great, it's.

E

Just an start of the quarter, mid-quarter check-in point and an end of course, a week.

D

Thankfully, next you spin, you Sam, I, know it just I I did float some annual dates that tried to take into account somebody like contingencies, ice all around planning but happy to go with your calendar.

A

Would you mind having that too, on the okay art bring me doc on team management? We have important dates from q4. It was like the IROC version of the OPR calendar. Could you apply this section with the new calendar? So that's like, maybe just even embed it. If it's possible to invalid inori me, then I get easy to see Sooey okay, so we are twelve minutes over time. I guess learning point. Perhaps this meeting should be 45. We reduce from one hour to 30.

A

Maybe like 45 is a little bit safe bet, but yeah we got a lot of discussions done and a lot of things reviewed so and we are action, items and I think this was a great start of the year for the first video, so cool. Thank you all for your time. If there is no more oh there's a hand from a curry go ahead. I know this is a handy thing of a cool all right enjoy the rest of your day.

A

Your night, your evening, your afternoon depends on where you are and see you around on the interwebs.