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From YouTube: IPFS All Hands 🙌🏽 📞 26 Feb 2018

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Notes: https://github.com/ipfs/pm/blob/master/meeting-notes/2018-02-26--all-hands.md

A

So just waiting for the recording and there we go so this is the 26th of February the IP episode hands. Today we don't have too many things on the agenda, but before we begin again, if you have things that you want to discuss, please add it to the agenda or the other section that appears you're important anyways. So, let's begin, the first thing we were going to talk about, which is from me Victor, is that in case you haven't noticed, the Sprint spot is broken.

A

I try to recover it last week, but it seems to not be as easy as I thought. It wants on a server together with a lot of other things and need to move it to a separate thing and make sure everything is working. Fine, so I haven't actually helped arm through that, yet I hope I will fix this in the middle of this week.

A

So in the meantime, if you see something weird, please let me know and that's it and then the second point on the agenda is from little about better release. Channel 4 I gave that company take away yeah.

B

So, by the way, let's try if my screen sharing is fixed, so I'll quickly make sure oh gosh, don't tell me done, does not work. I do.

A

See tire lines on the screen.

B

How about now is it like working corner.

A

Now there seems to be no sure shared screen. Ok, all.

B

Right then, then, I will just quickly go over the link I've put into the meeting notes. We have a new release of ipfs browser extension, called companion and what's interesting about this release is that first, we have a working better channel for anyone who wants to test the latest and the greatest features and do not want to manually install every new developer beta version we release. So if you install from beta Channel, we have channels for Firefox and Chrome.

B

Currently you will be automatically updated to the next hunt, picked better release and you don't need to do anything just keep in mind that this release is a separate extension. It has a separate extension ID, so all settings from the stable release channel will be separate and better will have own a namespace for all settings so that, if anything breaks in better, you can always switch back to the stable release channel and in this latest beta that we released today he are too nice and very like Lanka. Waited features.

B

First of all is initial stab at embedding J's ipfs and it works in chrome. It works in Firefox for uploads. It's based on the brave work done by Ally and Alan, and we cannot download using embedded note yet so we use public gateway for downloads. But if you want quickly share file with your friends, you can just grab the like this better.

B

You can even send a link to this latest better to your friend and there's no need for external demon if you want to quickly upload something like an ephemeral file shot and a second second feature. The released along in this beta is window that ipfs feature, which is ipfs api proxy, which exposes ipfs api of your note. That note can be external load or it can be. This embedded note that you are running inside of your browser and you can expose access to ipfs api to website. It's mostly like initial proof of concept for developers.

B

We have an initial document that I've shared last week. This is like final polished version that provides scope based access control so that, if you have an application, served from the public gateway or from any other gateway, those applications will have separate access controls.

B

So the control will be more strict than the regular origin and I think. That's all for my and just let us know if you have any issues with those better versions. Those battles are for, like dog fooding. We want to test it on different browsers on different architectures, like we had a user interface problems on Mac, that I was not able to catch because I'm, not using Mac I'm using clinic.

B

So even if you want to switch to the beta, that would be very helpful and we really really try to keep Bettis stable so that it won't break your workflow daily workflow. So I think that's all from my end. Just let us know what you think yeah not do.

C

D

This is exciting. Do you have basically be really cool to be able to install this beta and then have a couple recommended sites or apps or things I could load to just see how it works? With all this permission stuff and see it see it see that app requests, permissions and things do you have just like a list of like we.

B

It's the answer is I have two answers to that. First answer is that we started providing examples in this document about window ipfs. So far we have only the basic code example. What we will do there is a separate effort to provide landing page after new user installs extension. There will be a landing page with information about distributed web and there will probably be reference to building applications that make use of window ipfs object.

B

It's also possible that we will provide a link to that documentation from the Preferences screen when user can, you know enable disable this this feature? That's that will probably happen in next. Better right now we don't have any like salt example. We want to add code that the text already pre-existing window ipfs object to peer pad like a proof of concept and like just to see how it works. So that's on our roadmap, but not yet I.

B

Think b5, yeah I think it raises their hand before just.

E

Give me a thumbs up all right. Thank.

B

A

Right, we have any other questions.

A

All right, let's move on the extra life we have is from David about webinars.

F

Thank you. So, as some of you may know, last week we have a quick test run on the zoom webinar feature and by the way, thank you so much Jay, Lars and Dimitri for joining, and we create a doc movie notes which I would like to share with you today, so that we go through what we learned say: okay, everyone see my Firefox window, oh good and so yeah I quickly.

F

In an issue like we invited everyone to sign up, and then we scheduled a webinar and we developed a little script with the things that we wanted to test. The first thing that we wanted to test was: if we, if a non host a peer, tuner or if a hosts was late with just a participant, be able to to start the webinar and what we learned is no like until like in zoom meetings.

F

If you schedule a meeting like anyone, can open that link and start the call, but for some webinars you really need to have the host, and so from that, like the next question, I was like what? How can we have multiple hosts? We discovered that only the people we protocol that item in because our some account is on perkele domain. We could create one for Ipsy.

F

Oh that's a problem, but only people with those domains could actually become hosts of the webinar, and so here isn't like me trying to add J on this email and it doesn't work. This means like we could like. We could have sorry just keep me sane.

F

Sorry I was getting distracted by some organization and Stephanie here. So so yeah like we could add multiple people as hosts, but then it means like we would always have to make sure that, like at least one host, like one person with an IP pass domain, was prepared to be present.

F

Otherwise the car would not start, and one of the things that I discovered by chance was, if you create a call, if you create a webinar and if you are, if you are signed as a host, you cannot have other meetings so, for example, I manage there, like all the people here, my penis on Io account and they are all assigned as hosts for that hour, for that webinar.

F

If they asked we have another call using zum-zum would block them from opening another session because it was said, like their accounts, already being used to add that webinar running but like if you have any questions or lecture near any other I'm, not being clear enough on what are the experiments and the conclusions that you know the the next thing that we want to try?

F

Okay, like even if we went through the world also by giving everyone that, because of IO accounts like enabling people to to open open the webinar, even if, like they don't the regular, the regulars are not here to open. How could we set up the live stream in in sitting at the live stream is actually very simple like after you enable it on the on the dashboard for zoom, like a simple posts, can just like click on the more button and select which live streaming service to use like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and so on.

F

However, there is one more more capture which is: if we want to use YouTube as our platform for live-streaming, then the person is going to click that live stream has to be logged in with you, too. My PFS accounts. So after you login with a penis video, you all set to login and you have to be a manager of the YouTube channel that we have on YouTube. So that's like double permission thing like so what make sounds like we would have to like blow those things set up for everyone and yeah and so like.

F

This is the message of like person that is not the host sees before host joins.

F

There's another thing and like people in webinars are defaulted to participants to attendees and attendees can only ask questions to chat and a host can ask to manually, promote everyone to our panelists and once they get promoted to final is like, then, we have a similar experience that we have here like a gal review and, like everyone can see, everyone and everyone can speak, but it is another minimal step like if the host doesn't notice it. Someone joins the call and I just there isn't any.

F

They might well decide to leave because they might think there's something wrong with zoom, but it's just like the house has to be explicit and I promote someone to be a panelist and yeah I think this is all the warnings from that test session. Pretty much.

F

The conclusion, as you might have noticed like we didn't get too much excited like, seems that the key dad's, more adults than benefits, although like adding like stream, would be really nice, but like the fact that we would have to set up accounts for everyone so that everyone could open a session and that only the people that have manager role only to account can actually do the livestream like and then again the experience Bank of like we now have to promote everyone to panelists and like when people join.

F

They are just in kindy like just makes changes. The vibe from is called like it's not that thing where someone joins, and everyone says hello and and so on. Floors horizont, here, J or Dmitri do in to add something anything enemies.

F

G

Well, I think the the test pointed out some really key items that are points of friction. As you highlighted a bead, and you know personally, I I think it'd be really cool to try to create something out of the ipfs platform that might reduce the friction. Points. I know that's an ambitious undertaking, but something I'd really really be interested in working on or with other folks. So that's my two cents.

F

Thank you. Any questions, Matt I, just.

D

Point out that when we were streaming it to YouTube I, only Viktor and kuba were actually even able to do it. So we already had so we had the limitation of. There were only two people who are capable of doing this setup and they were responsible for doing that setup and then it just the overhead of that setup ended up becoming so unwieldy that they stopped doing it, whereas this is just like be logged into two accounts and beyond the call. So it's it works then to have just two people who could do that setup?

D

I, guess it changes the flow of like as people arrive, you have the leveling people up from being an attendee to a to a panelist so and then I guess, I've partially retracts saying it's the same.

F

And Jenny yeah.

H

Have you checked out, the EAP I have is a link in there. I actually am looking at right now, for you can have an authentication and create webinars I'm. Looking actually how I thought there was a way to automatically sling it to YouTube.

F

And so there is like these automatic as in you click a button and it starts livestream, but asks you to login into your Google account, which there.

H

F

Of the night defense YouTube channel right, I.

H

Think if you just yeah, maybe not all right I thought there was a hook to authenticate ain't, get a bearer token for YouTube and include that I guess isn't not gonna work.

F

That was I, think I know what you're talking about like. There was a definitely a service a long time ago, like there was a time like egg outs, and so they do live streaming directly to YouTube, and then they remove that feature from hangouts and then you as well like a token from YouTube to enable you to do the live stream.

F

But then it was like a to two-step setup, where you like, create a live stream schedule of ice cream on YouTube brother token and then paste it on the service that you wanted to like string to until what Jim does for users like it like uses the YouTube API to create that session and private token and use it the right. But again it still requires application, but.

H

For my, my YouTube account I actually I have a static endpoint. That actually is like my live stream. So if I actually go zoom to my live stream, it's the same URL that I'm hitting all the time that actually suddenly Johnny crunches is live, and so I think there is also a plugin for slack and o'keefe I, don't really like slack, but you actually can link and have the slack and actually just type zoom and actually creates an automatic webinar mm-hmm.

F

Okay, so I think what you are proposing was similar to what we were doing with OBS, so open broadcasts, yep yeah, so so obvious, like we always add, like the static token from YouTube and and like we were just a quick go I and it would record into the window and the audio coming from here to string to YouTube yeah, like two tomb to your point, Matt to your feedback match, we could actually just like ever special, like you, zoom account and a special Gmail Google Apps account that we are more comfortable and into people instead of like having to like if it counts to everyone, and they have to manage all that right.

F

Now, like we kind of might do this anyway, because we have to login with our ops zoom accounts to to then record and so yeah III think.

F

We can try to work it out and I document this very well. So it's very clear to everyone. What are the steps.

F

Yeah, like I'm, not sure if that is better than just having a machine somewhere, we obvious installed and just like it, narrows out to to screen capture. This is a window and the live stream automatically.

A

Maybe there is a issue somewhere on github, where we can point people to to continue to find out solution. Yeah.

F

Absolutely so like we can use the same issue issues five, seven one on ipfs p.m. it was a shoe crate for the test. Now we can, we can use it to continue the conversation soon.

I

You'll get other codes, yep yeah, just just computing.

A

Okay, do we have any other questions regarding the webinars that people want to speak about before we move on.

A

Alright, let's continue to a point that was just added, welcome you admitted, or the.

D

Others, hi out of that I noticed that there's actually like three or four or five new new faces on. So if you're, new and you'd like to say hello, go ahead and and say hello, and maybe tell us, tell us how you especially how you learned about this call because we're trying to make it more visible.

J

Okay, I'll go first, Zain been building like infrastructure for the past decade and then what was sort of on the fringes of like sort of distributed data types and like content, addressable data, so I was just trolling. The internet stumbled across IPs, and that was a really cool project. So then I wanted to look for a way to sort of get involved. I like scanned across the like sort of github issues, and it was like. Oh it's. This there's no like a death call.

J

So then I click on community and then couldn't find the actual link for like a couple weeks, because I didn't realize that I needed to like look at the calendar entry in order to like find that and then I would be like. Oh so, actually, what would be really helpful is like if the IRC BOTS, just like spammed out the link before I, think you mentioned that on IRC, like not too long ago, yeah yeah, so basically digging around through the get issues I like stumbled across this summon, like the actual like zoom link.

J

That's what it is missing. Yeah thanks and we're in the world are you uh I'm in Oakland, actually San Francisco, basically cool I.

D

Used to manually spam out the link on to onto IRC every week and I just stopped any of the other newcomers want to say hello.

E

Hey Raghav I, don't know! If you can, you guys hear me yep cool I, guess I've talked to David, maybe you as well over email, I work at keep fold Labs in San Francisco with Matt, Longo and coke, and just a you know, fan of Lupita, peeve and reading the code and trying to understand all the work that y'all have done and to make use of it and found out about this call through IRC, which I am doing a terrible job of keeping up with.

K

Anyone else want to say blue yeah, I'm, Lexie and I'm. Actually working with Raghav and I heard about this through Roggeveen I've got IRC chat, client up I. Have it keep it, keep it running all the time, just so it'll log, all the pages I'm actually in Atlanta, but yeah we're working with this up. Youth, ipfs technology.

I

All right back to the regularly scheduled programming. Thank you. Welcome everyone.

A

So now we have jared talking about restructuring. These calls the hola.

C

So I put a new issue in the PMS useless five. Seven three just put it in Chad, it's already in the notes and I actually finished it before the last call so I put that in the notes for last time. So it's also there so that proposal is actually a not to change this call, but to create a new call, especially to welcome newcomers and discuss new items or open items on issues or on the discourse site and there's one comment there so far: I'm not sure.

C

If there's any core members have commented on it yet or looked at it yet and I don't have permission I, don't think to add any of this, so I'm really dependent on core members to just before they're going to implement a new call actually have anything happen with that.

D

All right, so you sounds like you need someone to jump in and help make sure you put the help with this, which is like this setting up I.

A

Do need to leave today, but I can help any other day.

C

Later in the week of time, okay.

A

Yeah and I can like to know about.

C

A couple quick notes, kind of disappointed to hear David's evaluation of the zoom webinar.

C

Maybe that could be done via screen cap on a separate machine broadcasting, a YouTube or even Facebook live or a twitch or something and then I.

C

Think we need some way for people to know that they can come on to the call somewhat anonymously. So if you see the gallery view right now, there's several names without pictures or anything. So this last page item for the All Hands call would apply to this new call as well and that's a good place where we could explain how people could come on pseudo, anonymous anonymously and sort of avoid newcomer embarrassment.

A

You all right, do we have any questions, we're going good.

D

I'm gonna chime in on negative issue, I'm wondering about timing. I did do people well, I, guess I'll, just proposing another call for Friday means like another day's disruption by calls like this, as opposed to just doing put, adding I call this back to back with this one so that, like people who've set aside time to be on these calls, can just sort of allocate an hour instead of 30 minutes or an hour, and a half instead of instead of an hour, would be at least for my schedule.

D

More workable, so and I know that for other people, it's the same so I'll chime in on the github issue. That's completely about that on the issue also,.

L

8:00 a.m. on Fridays is a bit of a bad time for a lot. People just take that.

D

Yeah so let's, let's, let's hammer out the timing on the on the github issue? We don't need to discuss it.

A

Cool and the link is in the notes, if you're interested in living your feedback. Sir, moving on to the next agenda item this from Stephen about the Help Wanted section.

L

So it can be difficult to get people to help out with various things, and the best thing is often we don't know how loaded people are, so you kind of think random people and hope you don't overload them and you just be.

B

L

Way to like just display all the open problems and all they're all the things we need worked on and a lot people should volunteer. It say: hey I, have time write a I'm interested in looking back on that, so what people here be interested in adding a Help Wanted section to this college. This short like here are some quick issues. I need someone to tackle. Anyone have free time detect this sound. Recently, people.

L

I'll take good yeah yeah, just having.

F

L

F

Should I say it's really good I think it's great like it's always like I, have received very positive feedback from using this call in the past. I was in my car. There's like these little things like I great for first newcomers.

F

It does require a lot of work because it means like every week you or someone else from the IPS team needs to prepare lists and needs to make sure that they're present here to describe one of those issues and also like spends everyone's time on listening what those issues are, and so what the Jays have, because people land project he's doing.

B

F

He's using the local board combination with a Help Wanted level and like three difficulties, so easy, moderate and hard, and there was like a first call for that: just a DFS cornet team that explained how to like how to see those levels like what do they mean like alcohol? That means like anyone from the community, even without like a lot of experience, to be able to like jump in and contribute difficulty. Easy typically means like from our perspective again.

F

You may never but like come up, I'd be like question four hours, something I've been doing the morning like an evening and and be can we do? Those issues are really this quick self-explanatory.

F

So the fact a contributor could just go into the issue and grab all the information that they need to solve it, and if you allow that strategy, I think it's good for both implementations, because then it's like it gonna make a way to like find work. Okay and also like saves you time, because then people you can just point people to walk aboard and it can filter before everything.

L

That this is not a surface for me, you could be a mostly expert for a while. hmm You may have extra time on cycle high priority issue. Mm-Hmm.

F

So, and so for that we have another set of widows, which is the priority for p0 54 right so, for example, in every weekly. That's all like one of the things if we have time. After all, the updates is to just open our keyboard and I filter by the p0 zappy ones and see what are the things that are critical and right. Now, no one's like paying attention.

L

Yeah we do that, but it doesn't mean it wasn't either. So the point here is to server somebody. If you think that's a bit I.

F

Think you'd be screwed I'm, just saying it like we prepared, because you might need some some way to scale that.

D

Yes ma'am, so it sounds like there's just there were two things in your request and two beads responding and one of them one is to have a way to surface the things where help is needed and daveed saying. In order to do that, you should be grooming, the github issues and make sure that the github issues are sufficiently groomed and surfaced in something like a like a waffle board so that people can see all of that together.

D

So it's not so much about a time to have all that stuff surface is about grooming, the board, not about how many times what you're also requesting. Is that hey? Let's have a time in this call where people can say. I especially need synchronously, I need help with X help me with X, and that that sounds fine to me, and it also connects with the suggestion that we could do a sort of ask me anything structure in these calls and, as part of a chair, it's been working on. So we could like there's.

D

I am actively working on some code and I need some help and then there's also like I need to get my head around I'm a newbie I, don't understand this API function and those both I think can kind of coexist. Yeah.

L

This this sector is mostly just like this really does need to get done. Does anyone have time to work on it? You know like in something it's more obvious and because explicit and simple listing on some waffle board somewhere or people may or may not pick it up. Okay,.

L

Yeah, it seems like you already have a couple of issues: I can show them yeah.

F

L

Currently go up, you guys would like to Brooke. We have two things that really kind of need to get done, but no one has time for them. One is switching yogurt into new mdns library. Currently, this is causing a lot of our current Garden of mdns library is very buggy and has some nasty race conditions that may be causing some unsafe undefined behavior. So if anyone is interested in anyone has time, would anyone interested in switching you up if su is a new and Venus vibrate.

L

Well, okay, if you are interested, you can go to the issue and take a look at it. I am sitting time. The second issue is we're trying to push out a release, but we still have a lot of small bugs in the trans library that we just finished merging, and this is kind of blocking at least so. People want to sort of tackle small, but somewhat hairy and painful to debug issues.

L

That's the second issue there. There are three issues listed there they're more on the issue tracker, so.

F

And I guess the reward is in, you might be miss movies, different ones. Yes,.

L

Yes, the MVS library can technically wait. You'd be nice. The job fest France things are kind of prescient. So, if you have time, I want to look into it. That's great.

A

Very cool, thank you very much. We have any questions regarding this seems to be pretty clear. Basically, if you want to do go-go three issue, tracker take somebody's alright.

A

Moving on the next point in Oregon, DAW is about meetup works disappearing, so today, I received the emo and I was not alone, but the ipfs bot user had stepped down and there is no replacement. So there seems to be at least three methyl groups effect on I am not sure who is managing the meetup stuff. I do believe. David is punishing at least one of them cooperate.

F

Yeah soon this is kind of like a muse to me. I need to check what happened. I did a lot of this work in the beginning. Essentially, I have, in my personal account a bunch of like a PEZ meetups.

F

Then I used ipfs what account to create a bunch of our meetups, because there is a limit tree per account and so I don't know what happened to that, because what account it seems like someone just close that account some reason: let's check what happened there, but what we might need to do super soon like it has happened to me in the past that Mirabelle calm like when they say they are going to close something they actually delete from it.

F

Otherwise, like there was a mirror that we had for Portland and- and we like I, had to step down to create another meetup because of the limitation and like they deleted it, they didn't send me an email and then, when I try to recover, like everything, goes wrong, like Denny's lists like the slides, the photos etc. So so we minded me too yeah. We need to act before March 8. I am especially busy this week and so I'm afraid that I might fail to pay enough attention to understand what's going on here.

F

So if someone would like to volunteer to figure, especially someone that has access to these accounts would like to want you to figure out. This with me will be great.

F

All right, I can also try to ping people or just try to do it myself, just just have in mind that Mediacom will definitely the way thanks. Jay.

G

Yeah I'll work with you on that to get those averaged.

F

Cool, thank you so much and yeah, and thank you for bigger for Jay for bringing this up some reason. For some reason. I didn't receive this email.

A

All right, then, we can move on. Then we have the last agenda item. It is actually our demo about IP idea and craft. You are somebody, calm, I, think this here, I'm.

H

H

I'm gonna share my screen and give you a quick, quick background. I talked a little bit about what we're working on a few meetings ago, but for those who don't know we're building a marketplace for the buying and selling of what we're calling carbon removal credits or our removal claims, basically making it easier for people to pay other people to remove carbon from the atmosphere and eventually, reverse climate change and we're backing all this.

H

On top of the etherion blockchain and looking at ipfs as a mechanism for storing or keeping track of the data that proves certain amount of carbon was removed. So there's a link to a github issue in the notes which spells out our whole use case if you're interested in. But we've got just a quick demo here to showcase how it works.

H

So here I'm showing you our internal pay, our internal faucet, essentially preventing these crc assets, which are just tokens on the ethereal blockchain and right now, I can just type in you know some data that proves carbon was removed.

H

Eventually, this will come in from api's or other sources that are very strongly verified, either by humans or or cryptography, or a combination to do, but I will mint one CRC, which represents one tonne of co2 removed, and so this does two things one is it as some data onto into ipfs and it also creates a new transaction in the blockchain inside of that transaction is the CID for the data that we stored and on confess, so here we can see the latest CRC number 27 that I just minted I, don't know how many I'll expand this since it's my GRC, here's the data that I just typed in we've got we're using linked data.

H

So we have krater data which points to another ipfs node and.

H

Then we have this graph QL query, which will traverse through these IP LD nodes, based on a schema that we have come up with so in the top portion. Cleaner data is actually just a link and actually, if I go into.

H

H

I can grab that greater data and spells out the type of data that it is which is used to figure out what schema it follows or I can grab the whole note here.

H

And it's just back that same thing or I can just say: give me creator. Data.

H

So right now we are storing this data in Google, Cloud datastore and when we actually make these graft wealth, berries, we're not talking directly to ipfs but we're instead talking to our datastore and our datastore, all it does is it keys by CID and then the data is the raw bag, Seaborg encoded data, but here's an example of what the query looks.

H

Like so I just say this says CRC data, but really it will take any kind of cid and we can ask for the IPL denote in particular and based on the exact type of data that is stored in that node. We can query for various things. So if I grab this same CID over here and query for it through graph, ul it'll gave me the the latest information here anyways. That's the demo, I think what we'd like to see happen with ipfs and IPL.

H

D is more kind of turnkey support for this type of querying, so that we can basically remove ourselves as a central point for both the storage of the data and the querying of that data, and there's a in that ipfs issue. With some discussion about how we see that happening,.

H

Yes, questions.

A

Great, maybe we could stop the screen sharing before moving on to questions, so we can see everyone. Oh yeah,.

A

There we go, let's go with Matt first and then we have John. It.

D

So, just to clarify you're writing the data as IP LD into and local IP, FS node and then you're also indexing it into Google's graph query service so that you can get the graph query behaviors more dynamically. Is that right? A couple.

H

Things one so that we have more permanent storage, so we're instead of just having this right now. It just mirrored that data into my local IP FS statement, but if I shut down my app EFS Damon I still want to get that data back or or if I my IP of s Thaman disappears. So so that part were storing from Cloud datastore.

A

Any other question yeah.

H

I just uh consider using at context similar to Jason LD for your schema and then and then actually that schema could also just be a JSON object stored as IP Lt. That's what I do. Oh that's.

C

Good suggestion.

A

Cool we have some some more questions.

I

Any other last words from all this great see: people using activity.

D

All these different ways.

A

Very nice, indeed it ok, no, no I, think that is about this board right all hands. Unless someone has some final words before you leave the wise I think that's it. Thank you, everyone for taking the time to appear, and we can stop the recording on.