IPFS Weekly Call, 18 May 2020

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This week has a presentation from Anytype on their most recent improvements.

They previously presented at the IPFS Weekly Call on 2019-08-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0af5HoSHg&list=PLuhRWgmPaHtSGRSHdU9dbsukHKlihZZAe

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A

All right welcome everybody to the May 18 I pick last All Hands call my name Sedin. If you have not added your name to the attendees list, please do so I'll post the link again in slack in the zoom chat for those of you who need it.

A

If there are any announcements, if you could put them on the announcements part of the agenda and we can that we can get to them, also anyone willing to volunteer as a note-taker for the meeting any volunteers.

A

A

No, no such luck.

A

All right, I guess: it's me that Oh.

A

Thank You Jessica much appreciated.

A

All right! Well, yes, if there's nothing else to add to the agenda, then Simon, you wanna, take it away with hesitation.

B

Yes sure so, last time you had presented a first prototype and their work hasn't giveyou since then, because we were working on the actually completely new version that we have created from scratch, and this one is like is built a new architecture and I think Roman can bridge it. First, you tell what's new in new architecture and then I was going. The first wish version we were just. We have just like we planned to release to external users in the next week's.

C

Yep, so we have made a lot of technical progress in last month, finally switched to the extension at 0, very usual beta, stabilized, cross-platform, API and I believe, and all these changes, especially switching from the file store, the Badger store by default, resulted in significant performance increase for our typical use cases like creating a new version of document in any type in low end laptop now it was like, sometimes visibly creep, Pacific repository.

C

Hopefully it was around 1 from 1 to 2 seconds and now about 10 milliseconds, with a very huge progress, and it's all these changes, improved user experience a lot and yep. So now we have a two foxes: I will first buy one second.

C

So I will go by text because I'm sorry, two foxes right now. First one is switching from the state based Shelby T to the even based solidity. This will allow us to do more neatly, complete resolution for the pages and the second big focuses data structures, we're working on extendable schemas for data, so you can work with them and then we go to do also see opt for the data Jana. Maybe you have a slide. I send you today, because I think a moment.

C

I can send it to the chat, I think because I'm from them about.

D

Anyway, plan to share my screen, so I can start sharing the screen now so yeah.

C

Yes, it's one, but I will send you good quality right now.

C

So yeah, this is a just a quick preview of how data flow works in the in the any type like here. We has and IP first stack and takes our threats, our cross platform library, that working like a proxy for the data structures, combining the changes applying them to the snapshots. So they come to the final page state and the middleware that are going to solve client problem problems, subscribing for the pages changes and implementing different client, specific cases like link, reviews and all the stuff, because we have a course on library.

C

It saves a lot of time. It's only once in one place, instead of because we have native clients in the Mobile's. It saves a lot of time for us and this game is a quick preview of how data flows from the client to the ipfs dark and from the pops up and textile cafe to the client.

B

So I think now we can go to the demo itself, so this is the main screen of any type. Everything here is encrypted.

C

Only the screenshot of my schema I think maybe you sure another screen another window very.

B

Strange I'm sharing.

D

The desktop do.

B

You see it now.

D

A

Still grey screen.

B

C

Think it will load and try and just try again: okay.

B

Let me choose any type, not like desktop, but any type and now oh.

C

Yeah yeah, it's so they're loading. Maybe just wait a few second, yes,.

B

What do you see because I see my eye seeing it back on my screen? It.

A

Says that you've started screen.

B

Sharing and it has a black screen.

A

Which could mean that zoom is considering its life or maybe that your bandwidth isn't great I'm, not sure.

B

The first time it happens to me maybe I should recollect assume I, don't know.

A

If you have the link, you can post it in the chat and maybe I'll be able to share on my screen and I'll just hit the button. The next buttons for you Oryx.

B

D

B

So this is the main screen of any type, and everything here is encrypted and it's like currently my personal knowledge base and in the way, but up is a knowledge base for the humanities information and we start from personal and team knowledge basis. So everything in any type consists of objects and relations between them. We start from one type of objects.

B

Its pages and those familiar with notion will definitely identify how like how this is like web pages with an editor, that's very easy to use so that with just last button you can add different types of blocks and and there you can move things around with with with drag-and-drop, and so this is how you can create like web 3 distributed pages, this I have been showing I think the last time.

B

So it's just it's this the same that you you can easily build from simple box, you can create objects, and- and this way you can structure a lot of information the way the way you want to, and so of course, having some little features here like changing.

B

You don't see my screen, you can change the background things like that. So currently we have only one type of objects- it's page, but we plan to add the additional type of objects like people and tasks and other types of objects in the near future. On top of having pictures, we have relations, so you can, you can add any page to an existing page, for example, here we're.

A

Just seeing them in any.

B

A

Page know if there's another page.

B

A

Of it the year trying to show I'veseen.

B

Yes, I have been showing a lot of pages.

B

It seems so the connection is so bad.

B

Maybe no sorry.

A

I should have flagged you Center.

B

Do you see anything else, except the more than my domain screen.

A

Yeah, well sometimes we see your mouse.

B

A

The screen, but just the main, any type screen.

C

D

C

C

Your voice is clear and they be doing just deal.

A

Well, the all reconnecting I'll take a brief moment to advertise that, since our last meeting we go FS zero. Five one has been released with a couple of updates, so if you're running guy give us I would recommend updating.

A

The changelog is in the nuts are linked from the nuts.

B

I'm work, so let me try now to share any type. Does it work.

A

Or stone the gray screen now yeah. Alright, now I, look like we're in business: okay,.

B

So I was showing the new web three pages, so this one, you know this one is one of them, for example, and as you can see, there are like different types of blocks here and there I can link to other pages inside I here and what's cool that when I add a page, a new relation is created. Currently you have only decide information relations, but in the future we will have different types of relations show. So you can, you will be able to connect different types of objects with we have different types of relations.

B

What's cool here is that you have in that hour here an application that you can see. So it's like in current web P.

B

We're into here, but in any type, you can also see the.

A

Audio cut out a little bit ago. Sorry, you missed a little bit there.

C

A

B

Not a very good demo, then now.

D

B

So yes, this is the new navigation and on the one side, you can see all the pages that this object, like all the objects that this one refers to and on the.

B

And come to be have only pages, but in the future there will be people so use pages now for people, but there will be a native object for people and files and things like that, and so you will be able to travel inside of this linked objects and see all the connections that are between them.

B

Yes, so I, don't know what you see on my screen now so.

B

And each each so so this is what we try to create. We try to create this web of objects and we think this cannot be a much better foundation for the knowledge that we have, because on the ipfs level, each object has unique hash.

B

But at the same time the object is meaningful on the for the user and in the end we will be eating more and more opportunities for a user to manage these kinds of objects.

B

So they will be able to filter and sort them and connect them in in different ways, because our goal is to give as much power to the non developers as it's possible so that they can really create their own unique workflows and without being able to code, and we hope that this is like this simple idea of objects and relations or links between them will allow to create any kind of structures that the user wants to create.

B

And we hope that when we will open-source other open-source developers will be able to add other types of objects to the system. So we will start from from the normal ones, like like people, tasks, files and videos, but we expect this to go to more in once like transactions, invoices, and we think this system can intimately grow and be a better foundation for the collective knowledge that we currently have, because for the encrypted part, it really protects the privacy and data ownership.

B

All the important features that are crucial for the technologists that we use, but at the same time I don't know if you see how I go through my like if something changes on my screen, but we plan also to do the same for the open pages from an unencrypted pages which will be like we start, we will start from profile like personal websites, like you kidding, I hope you can see currently on the screen and I would be able to add other pages like my book collections or articles or receipts anything I want and all of these objects so put it up or they for the non-encrypted part.

B

It will have teachers of not be censorship, resistant and and I think it's very important that for the encrypted part, we have ensure food privacy on an encrypted part.

B

We will the system is censorship resistant and we just want to bring them the easiest way to build this new web 3 objects and connect them so that people can visit so that the barrier to create something on web 3 is like minimal and that's because we actually have think that we don't need to really have to recreate the web to put it on the right foundation, because this idea of objects and links between them will allow Inc like when it when we fill it with content.

B

It will allow a lot of super cool features like I, think foundation to the Semantic, Web and better foundation for AI algorithms, but everything on the right foundation, respecting our civil rights, so I hope your case saw something I, don't know whether you have seen but I find my best I'm sorry for the quality of the connection. Oh.

A

I know what everybody else, but I thought was pretty cool I was I, was enjoying seeing seeing the demo on how how this is improved in how it's working? Now, it's great. Thank you.

A

So yes, well we'll open up to some questions.

E

um Can I go first, I have a question yeah.

A

Yeah, go ahead all right, just if you're, if you want, have a question just right right uh in chat and we'll get to you in that order.

A

Yeah buddy rackley yeah take away.

B

E

Was just typing it.

E

My question was I, seen Roman mentioned, moving from state, basically choose to obey, sir duties or the data and I was wondering if you end up using some of the shells, CID keys library, or did you end up building your own.

E

E

Oh just more I can know about it.

C

E

C

Yeah, we are not using any detail library because we have pretty specific cases for the blocks in document and because, like if you try to imagine the document of different blocks standing under each other, each other, it's not the same. Like I'm, saying that one person put the block here and then put here, it's sometimes you need more specific even's, like the person want to drop the block. After that this one. This person wanted to drop it in the different column.

C

In these cases, we can be sure that in most cases, conflicts will be solved by automatically without any user interaction, so yeah we are using our own library. We are writing from this question.

D

A

Kinds of events: do you end up hunting to the user and saying I, don't know how to solve this conflict.

C

Yeah, it's possible. We are currently thinking about this, but the good thing that we are not trying to solve conflicts at the moment when they was appeared, you can solve it later, like just changes appending after each other, and you can solve the conflict when you it will be comfortable for you. For example, if two people write it the same at the same blog, they can still cooperate on other blocks and very different stuff, but they can see. Maybe it will be some UI.

C

We currently think you know when people can choose which appearance of block they prefer.

A

Thanks Molly I.

C

Get approached, but we are still in the early stages, current even more focused on their automatically eligible.

A

Thanks Molly had a question and chat, so is any type and any type is each page, a thread or dealer more complex thread, architecture.

C

Yes, each page is a threat and we are not going more complex away like we call everything is a block, but in fact we have a structure which is really a threat and which is a block like a good roadblock, because you need a threat when you have a specific ICL, a specific encryption for this kind of entity and the page itself, the whole page, it's pretty enough for the one thread don't need more.

C

If you want to link for other simple, because it's simple blocks in other pages, we can refer to each through the different smart block. We spread.

A

Thanks erratically another question about: if there's a place, to read more about the constraints you mentioned and about the customs, their duties you guys have. If there is to be great to drop a link in the nuts, so people can go. Take a look yeah.

C

As soon as we go like penalize our guys on the data label, we will art part by part. We will open these things step back step, but currently it's only the code.

A

And a request from our amazing note-taker for the day, I Jessica, for a link for the data. The data schema slide from earlier. Oh.

C

Yes, I think we can sure I.

C

Will make a link ascended.

A

Great question from Molly: what is what's your plan going forward for any type, and what can we do to help you with the next phase.

B

So we plan to so we currently are inviting friends and family to remove the most disturbing, but from the system and plan to start inviting external users in like couple of weeks, because this is the. Finally, we have arrived to a version which is stable and which we are not afraid to share anymore, that we were that it was like before so.

B

So yes and anyone who really wants to use a self-hosted.

B

You know like no take a document editor with with the features I just explained. I can be a good tester for us, but if you need some other features which we haven't built so far, but I would I would suggest, wait because, like we would like to onward every user. So we would like to prioritize those really think that what I have just shown is enough for them.

A

A

I had and one more, which is: how do you vision, sharing any type documents between users.

C

Currently, you just need to send a link that contains the private key and the ID of the thread, and starting from this you can download Oh other versions of this page and all the files that include in quality in this page and also you will be able to join all the pages that wasn't caught in this page. So it's like an edit structure. You have in white, you need to send one link with encryption key and then that's you can download.

A

Hey cool well, it looks like we are just about out of time, so unless anyone's got any other pressing announcements. Thank you very much. Roman Jonah and Jessica for the note-taking and we'll see you all next week.