Istio Test and Release Working Group, 27 Aug 2018

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Okay, all right, I, think I. Guess we took a break and in the meantime we launched 1.0 back in the end of July. It was great I guess we took a break because we want people to spend more time working on the panel.

A

So we are resuming this working group meeting this week and it will happen again in two weeks, so this is going to be PI weekly going forward. Okay and the agenda we have today are already on the screen.

A

If you have anything else, you want to discuss, feel free to add to it the this Docs and the access I. Guess you are the first thing is we release one on 0.1 last Friday if you're interested? This is the main, so Lane actually brought up a question about release. Note and Martin and I are going to have a me like you talked about like it's, not mechanics, how we are going to do these patch releases going forward.

A

That's how we can do a better job to announce it to all the available channels that people should know about all these new patch releases and whether we will be creating released knowledge or not I guess we will also discuss tumors.

A

Does anyone here? Have any preference, though, like what kind of communication do you want to see other than emails, or maybe proposed regarding patch releases.

A

Any ideas, opinions.

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A

Yeah I guess, if not I just talked with Martin and come back with a pen, so I guess at the bare minimum we will. We probably will be writing a blog post about all the past releases going forward and then we main job allowed to still announced.

B

Or maybe even treated to so when we make the post. Where do we need specific look for each job, yeah yeah.

C

Probably after we have the release, notes out, which could day or two.

A

Okay and then looking ahead, we will probably be creating one point: zero point you based on meet and the criteria being, if you find any critical, but in one point: oh, that has not been Tetris in 101 right or if you find new critical path in 101, we will be creating one or two, but that is on demand and there's no fixed schedule. So far we created a tracker issue. If you, if you find any critical bugs or if you, if you have a reason why we need 102, feel free to enter this tracker.

A

And, along the same note, we will be good. We will be shipping, this monthly release, which is one point one one o snapshot zero. This is going to be the oldest release and it will be cut from master right so just to be three or one point: 101 and the one or two. If it. If it's going to happen, they are cut from the release, one or branch so and all those worker based on the one over these and the 1.1 snapshot.

A

Release will be cut from mastering, and it contains only today features that people have added to monster, including some candy, more control, so I sent an email last week about the release. Candidate, I haven't heard anything so I expect it's all good and if I don't, if I don't hear anything else, we will be cutting the month in movies either to today or tomorrow,.

C

Also, the expectations- the user are not using this right. It's the development team I wish them well.

A

Only developers should have reasons you, like you tried out the cutting-edge features, yeah.

C

So most people probably haven't tried this other than maybe out of their own github repository and they ran the build okay. But.

A

This are mainly meant for, like checkpointing our progress and make sure we have a we have for release every month, yep.

C

I understand that I was just saying the expectation it probably should be lower than what mostly release before the new process, because that's when a lot of people actually jump out and do testing. But now most people are actually not right.

A

Wait I believe we actually terrified it on issue dot, IO.

C

And we won't make a splash about it, so that would be different than 101. Oh wow yep.

A

So we specifically highlight these natural releases provided for the is. It is supposed to be stable, but it's not quite production ready. Okay,.

C

So, are you going to put this on? Github.Com, slash is still slash, is still under the release and the binary download link. You know what I mean these.

A

Natural movies, yes yep.

C

Oh, so it's going to be there yeah.

A

C

Ok, good! Ok! That's good that so.

A

Only the LTS and patch releases will be the actual movies going forward. Ok,.

C

A

Ok, any other questions about the releases.

A

If not, sap is going to demoed and we these UI, that what.

D

Yeah so, as you know, like basically we're running the release under flow and the UI from her flow, it's not really straightforward and the top of it most of the people can access it.

D

So we had a couple of interns coming and- and so we decided to make a UI such that we can present the reads that are in progress and eventually being able to raise from there.

D

So the creation of the release. It's there, the button is there, but it doesn't do anything for now because we didn't find a way to actually properly put it onto your float, but at least the UI and the presentation you make that little bit bigger the presentation of the release is there so here we only have fail release. It's not a good example, but like I, think, if we we can actually filter by branch.

D

And take a while a bit.

D

But in any case, so you have all the release basically per oh here we go so all the release that actually started on the wrist one Oh French. So we have a daily I, think yeah and a daily every day and then the last one is the one one that we that we did I think last week. Yes,.

D

And then you can actually click on the Reese. You can see all the tasks and you can see which actually tagged didn't work, and here, in that case it's the it's the tagging and then you have per task. You have a log that you can download. So if you're not familiar with the or flew the logs might be, you know a bit I, don't want to say, use this, but good thing intimidating, intervening cryptic with and then you have. You have all the link for the shad that were used for that specific freeze.

D

So let me open that, so you should see like the the shaft. So that's useful information, and then you can click on download and go to the download page. For that, given freeze.

D

So I think it's a big improvement for the. What we have before, which is nothing.

A

And to take a step back, this is a dashboard that allows everyone in a community to see or the releases, and it.

B

Actually requires a github knockin, so.

A

If, when you go to the dashboard, you have to knock in use.

D

It so I forgot to say that, but basically you need to approve access for the app to your. To your token and like any other next service react, does the same thing happy to mitigation and then, once you log in then you have access to everything so the crate release. You won't see it because you have to be a specific like part of a specific group and that's what we wanted to do so we'll create a get up group which you know if eventually we'll get that to work.

D

Well, create a get a group so that only those people can create race because we don't wanna, have everyone be able to create the race and so I think right now, click on it, you can.

D

You can only put the attributes because it tree is based on their flew, the Wilbur user, feel you need to call a specific run and then put the attribute that you wanna. So we did that, but then that doesn't actually, even if, if issues put that it doesn't it doesn't do anything because the earth API is not that well, you can take. There is actually never replies, it's kind of a drag and then, if you go back and click on a successful release,.

A

Yes to the last e from one, oh, so the most useful thing here is the you see the the repos links on top great, because we're often given that we leaves people have a hard time figuring out from which song, which are a particularly release for spilt rough life, easier repository, API repository and proxy apostrophe. But this is this- is this is a place where you can get all this information in one place right, so it should be useful, at least from that perspective,.

D

Okay, I can click on it and you should see the basically what's in the URL, but it should be here.

D

That's it any comment.

A

So if you're interested the link is on the here.

C

So is this something you expect people on call to do.

A

Eventually, yes, I guess the interns have just finished. Is we probably have some harder thing to do, but once we get to a more stable State, encore can actually take a look at it and see why we are not having a tease for it. Scoffs, okay,.

C

So this will replace the older way to you're wrong like different scripts, and so it will be from the crate release button to create the release.

A

So the the create release button will be rejected to me just to release that means for now I. Don't.

E

A

Encore to be creating any reasons, but the on call I think the common question is, we don't have a daily released today. Why wait? We have something like that in the uncork a book we don't have a very good way to present all the informations, and this is one step toward that direction. Okay,.

C

But the creative release doesn't mean like creator official release right, it could be a release just for a snapshot. I.

A

Yes, so it can be, you can't create a daily release based on at head or he can create as a patch release, for example, from okay got.

C

B

A

C

Yeah good start.

E

Yeah pretty good stuff, this is Thiago. Do you guys send them the source code for it yeah? So, yes,.

A

Anything, oh yes! Let me at the github location.

D

So we put all the various related stuff in a different org because we don't want to put your domain into mini stored, so the release UI is so the the org is is release and the repo is released. Really do I. That's your way, but everything is yeah. Everything is open, George and please, if you have knowledge in JavaScript- and you know how to make this better yeah no problem except this.

A

Yeah gracious welcome, thank you and the the last item. Only on today's agenda is circle. Cia performance plan, Nina and I had just had a meeting with a circle CIE representative, and they are they. They tell us that they have. They now have a performance plan which is an upgrade to what we are. We have right now that is based on the number of containers, and so our plan is based on the number of containers and we pay for the containers. Even we are not using now with the new ruler.

A

Performance plan is based on the compute unit that we use better and if we are not using anything, we are not supposed to pay as much as we are paying. But if you need more compute power, the the POS can can get. They do require compute power much sooner than today, because today, if we are, if you overwhelm the result, the circle resources, the POS have to wait until there they the task at that time to run, but first an immigrant there's no wait time anymore.

A

If there are 100, CLP I said trying to if to run circuit, as they all will run, and but that will be something I avail so that that is the. That is a one feature that they are selling. The other feature is that they they will support the docker image. Caching, with the new plan that is supposed to be doing our in time, trial is the to comment on, for the images will be cache.

D

But then, but then on the weekend with, as it is right now, we pay for all the container, although we're not using it great.

A

Well, there are some occasional peels over the weekend, yeah.

D

That's nice, isn't he getting into that, so we might even get a lower bill there.

A

Is a chance that we got an or built.

A

And that's a reason why I actually asked the the circle folk to compute e tolerance based on the usage from June and July, when we are working with one Connolly's. So that should give us a better idea whether we will be paying higher or more faison like the higher usage 11.

A

So I guess it feel free to add Lane but I. Guess it orange down to number one whether they are whether the new features are useful to us and number two is whether we are paying a higher or lower, though so.

F

Doko image- caching, probably won't have too much, but if we get is what it doesn't matter since we're not building me dr. images inserting locally the other one. What is a bill currently? Do you know I mean? Is it something extremely high I think.

C

The shoulders like a 1700 per month, something like that. Yes,.

A

F

Sound like a lot of money to me, I mean I, know how much for coming.

A

F

Ibm and the other 1,700 per month, but.

C

I do remember: Lois complain about being very expensive in the past, so the other thing I want to add is Andy. They did also mention. There is a way you can bring your own infrastructure and then you just pay a license fee for circle, CI, so basically using their UI, but then under the cover it could be using a GK. You know IBM cloud to trigger the execution of the jobs that actually could be a lot cheaper.

F

Iii suppose that optionbit 44 7800 it sounds like it's. A lot of work. I mean an engineer. Training.

D

A

So I guess from outside what we are trying to figure out is rare, that this new features are useful to us and and number two is whether we are going to pay higher or lower and I guess that information we have to go to Louie, to figure out because he's he's taking care of the bill. Yeah.

C

And I'm sure he'll ask you, you know like it the question you are asking them. Is you know how much are we supposed to pay if we were on this new plan for June July, because that's a key indicator right.

A

Yeah, that's exactly the information we requested, yeah.

F

So maybe maybe IBM can chime in for a few hundred dollars and maybe I can assist another companies and we can go with even double I. Don't think it will be a huge problem for us or.

C

We'll have to ask for.

C

F

Can ask a engineer submitting.

F

Okay, let's try, it I mean I, guess.

A

The question is: do you guys experience any long wait time recently, I believe we had some problem ago, but we expanded our subscription and since then I haven't heard many complaints about Wake Island, but.

F

But that recommend for for takings are you plan, because if we are not experiencing delays, it means that we are under using the containers right right.

A

If you're under using the or that means we have, we have over provisions, resources.

C

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C

You're not many on the weekends, that's the other nope.

F

We can move back, I mean if we find that the bill goes about acceptor level. We can go back. Yes,.

C

How about this? So let's ask them for price quote for the past two months to three months and then we could also ask them to have a very long tire period for us, so we would know like we're, saying a quarter time frame. Are we actually paying higher? You know it? Do we can see the it? Can we actually see improvement or any if.

D

You still limited I mean it's more a diamond, but can you say I don't want to spend more than that.

A

Per month, or something right, it's this third one is a prepay model. You, you prepay your credit and, and you use up your credit, they.

C

A

They tell you about it. Let's.

F

Not waste more money on engineering time for this.

A

Okay, so in the meantime, if you have any feedback about zirco, if you have any pain, point feel free to talk to you lyn or myself. I guess we'll be talking to the circle. Folks, in a couple weeks or so private thing now, do it private, like yeah I, don't say we. We also have to get some technical contact number that we can call yeah.

C

So some sounds like this, so one of the feature is the peril. I increase the power line and be able to pull out to have more containers on demand. I think we don't need to make any changes on silico as admin or anything it's just. If we choose to be honest for pancha awakened at this feature automatically enabled there was two other feature: I think one costumes that we won't be able to leverage with sister darker image layering. That does require changes on our side. The other feature is to config a different image size.

C

Then the small size we have, because today, our overall container on the same host decides so who it choose to have a different size which I don't know why we need. We have to configure to have engineering look into how to figure out. Would that help us I think.

A

That does the resource class. Yes,.

C

The resource class, it's like a tissue sites for the VMS that runs the container. Oh.

F

Poor to kind of container is a docker container since they run VMs for the for the other kind of tests for the I. Don't know how it's called if they allow us to customize the image for the integration test is that would be a huge win. They.

C

Said they allow us to customize the size of the virtual machine that runs the containers yeah.

F

C

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C

You talking about the site and the image for the build for.

F

The integration test, the integration test, use a different kind of I mean docker container, so returns a build and the integration tests they run in some VMs, where, where we can, we can run their net is basically mm-hmm and those are not customized. So we have to download everything again and again it takes about two or three minutes. Yeah.

D

C

Would that are cached me and Larry would help you, but if you're honest.

F

Maybe maybe I will take a look at but.

C

The problem is I think it would help us today we have fixed the worker, but now, if we're on this dynamic promotion provision mode, you know you could be ended up on your word, new VM that has no cash.

F

Let me look at the details: yeah.

C

I think it would help if you are always on these favorite knows of ourselves. Yes,.

F

If we can customize the base image, it'll definitely help otherwise, probably to help but I, don't know, I'll take a look, I mean optimizing. The build process is always good. It will sell funny so yeah.

C

So costing we can send this say: sales email where they highlight a new feature to you. So you, okay.

F

Thank you I'll definitely take a look.

A

Okay, cool I think that's that's it for today. If any anyone has anything else that wants to be discussed.

A

If not I'll see you guys in two weeks, thank you. Okay,.

C

Thanks everyone thank.

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