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From YouTube: Jakarta EE Update Call October 13, 2021
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A
Okay,
so
hi
everyone,
we
are
having
another
ducati
update
poll.
We're
happy
here
to
have
some
of
the
members
of
our
community,
but
we're
always
extremely
happy
to
see
the
amount
of
viewings
of
the
recording
of
this
meeting.
So
I
do
appreciate
your
feedback
on
the
recording
link
link
on
the
youtube.
A
So
please
keep
that
going
and
and
as
always
get
in
touch
with
me
so
today
the
presenters
official
presenters,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way,
will
be
tanya
bradwich,
which
is
which
is
me
and
then
shabnamayal
we're
both
working
for
the
eclipse
foundation
and
more
precisely
jakarta
working
group
and
we're
super
happy
to
have
amelia
and
ad
here
as
well.
I'm
sure
they
will
be
helping
us
with.
A
You
know,
questions
or
comments
along
the
way.
Did
you
want
to
yeah
something
before
we
get
going.
B
Yeah,
it's
great
to
be
here
and
talk
to
be
able
to
talk
to
everyone.
So
tony
and
I
will
be
going
through
some
of
the
updates
for
the
community
members
and
yeah.
Let's
start
going
through
our
presentation
and
if
there
is
any
questions
we'll
be
happy
to
address
them.
A
Pretty,
oh,
absolutely
thank
you
yeah,
so,
and
thanks
amelia
for
for
updating
the
agenda
documents.
As
I
was
saying,
it
is
only
shabnam
and
and
tanya
today
and
the
community.
Hopefully
other
people
will
join
and
yeah.
Let's,
let's
get
going
so
today
is
october,
13th
2021
and
what
we
are
going
to
cover
is
just
tech.
A
Talks,
live
stream
conferences,
very
important
program
for
us
a
little
bit
about
jakarta
10,
even
though
you
have
been
regularly
updated
on
this
excuse
me
and
evar
has
provided
quite
a
quite
an
extensive
update
on
on
on
jakartan10
in
july,
and
then
we
want
to
make
sure
you
are
we're
in
touch
with
you
and
you're
in
touch
with
us.
A
So
without
further
just
to
let
you
know
that
jakarta
tech
talks
are
still
very
popular,
we
are,
we
had
one
tech
talk
just
finished
10
minutes
ago.
A
We
are
planning
another
one
next
week
and
then
one
in
november.
We
are
welcoming
the
whole
community
to
present
and
suggest
for
the
tech
talk.
A
I
have
provided
here
as
always
a
link
to
the
tech
talk,
meetup,
the
youtube
playlist
and
our
community
calendar,
where
we
publish
the
dialing
details
and
information
about
the
tech
talks.
So,
of
course,
feedback
is
always
welcome.
Suggestions
are
welcome.
We
are
pretty
happy
how
this
is
going.
The
tech
talks.
I
mean
the
topics
just
to
make
sure
that
to
remind
everyone
are
not
necessarily
related
to
jakarta.
A
Only
it
is
open
to
related
projects
and
and
and
products
and
anything
cloud
native
java,
so
feel
free
to
make
a
suggestion
or
present
and
and
use
this
program
to
to.
You
know,
introduce
the
cool
technology
you're
working
on
to
the
wider
community.
A
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
jakarta.
One
live
stream
this
year
we
have
oh,
I'm
missing
one
I
meant
to
to
actually
add,
and
I
will
correct
the
slide
to
add
the
russian
event
as
well.
We
had
the
russian
events,
turkish
event,
portuguese
event
and
spanish
event,
we're
very
happy
how
things
are
going
with
the
these
events.
A
I
think,
with
spanish
event,
we
had
we
were
a
little
bit
shy
from
350
people
registered
portuguese,
about
300
turkish
over
well
over
350
and-
and
I
am
thinking
about
a
russian
event
gathered
about
150
people
as
well,
which
we're
very
happy
about,
considering
that
we're
just
reaching
out
to
that
community
and
then,
of
course,
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
we're
a
little
bit
over
saturated
with
the
the
streaming
event,
but
nevertheless
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
you
that
you
know
that
this
is
available
to
you.
A
It
is
also
important
to
know
that
there
are
recordings,
so
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
sit
all
the
way
through
but
to
do
visit
what
at
your
own
leisure
at
your
at
the
time
that
is
more
suitable
to
you
and
then
the
final
point
of
this
slide.
I
do
wanna
invite
all
of
you
to
actually
register
for
the
event
on
december
7th.
A
We
are
super
excited
about
the
quality
of
talks
we
received.
The
the
program
committee
is
finalizing
the
talks
this
week
and
next
week
and
I'm
hoping
by
the
late
next
week.
We
will
have
the
program
published
on
the
website
in
the
meanwhile.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
that
the
the
event
is
now
open
for
registration.
Let
me
quickly
go
to
the
link.
A
Actually,
why
don't
I
do
it
this
way,
go
to
the
link
and
and
and
and
and
show
you
that
you
can
register
right
from
here
or
you
can
go
into
the
events
and
and
learn
a
little
bit
more
now
learn
a
little
bit
more
we'll
at
the
top.
At
this
moment,
give
you
just
the
who
are
the
the
people
involved
in
organizing
the
event
which
is
ivar
and
me.
D
A
A
We
are
hoping
that
we
are
going
to
organize
some
fun
team
this
year
as
well,
because
they
seem
that
last
year's
cake
theme
was
very
popular
and
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
fun
with,
with
the
with
the
event,
not
just
learning
about
the
technology.
A
A
Then
we
move
the
glass
fish
and
and
the
the
the
the
specifications
to
the
jakarta
to
the
eclipse
foundation
environment.
A
Then
we
with
the
namespace
javax
namespace,
created
the
processes,
licensing,
logo
and
and
and
actually
started
the
jakarta
eight
officially,
then,
we
released
jakarta
e6
with
jakarta
e9
with
the
new
jakarta
ee
name,
sorry,
jakarta,
namespace
and
support
of
java
sc8
and
then
very
shortly.
Like
six
months
later,
we
released
the
jakarta
ee
9.1
with
glassfish
6.1.
A
With
multiple
actually
compatible
implementations
and-
and
I'm
thinking
now
out
loud-
that
maybe
this
slide
ought
to
call
out
other
implementations
of
the
jakarta
e9
that
were
used
for
the
ratification
of
the
final
specifications.
A
So
you
know
we
had
wildfly,
we
had
apache
tommy
ee,
we
had
shabnam.
Do
you
remember
of
top
of
you
had
which
others
we
had?
I
remember
we
had
managed
fish
and
I
believe
we
had
open
liberty
as
well.
A
C
Those
compatible
implementations
with
them
that
came
along
with
japanese
e91.
A
Yeah
it
was,
it
was
really
great
to
see,
and
that
was
the
first
release
that
that
had
those
compatible
implementations
at
the
time
of
the
release
of
the
specifications.
So
it
was
really
exciting
news
and
then
now
we're
totally
emerged
into
ducati
10.
It
is
going
to
call
out
for
eclipse
glass-fish
7..
I
do
expect
7-0,
but
we'll
see
I'll
leave
that
open
for
the
time
being.
A
It
is
expected,
q1
2022,
but
you
know
we'll
see
we're
not
expecting
later
than
q2,
but
you
never
know
a
lot
of
true
progress
here
with
the
technology
as
well.
A
Jakarta
config
is
one
of
the
specifications
that
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
tent.
There
are
many
independent,
individual
or
component
specifications.
Sometimes
I
know
I
get
corrected.
They're,
sometimes
called
component
specifications
that
are
doing
amazing
work
and
then
we're
having
the
core
profile
that
is
targeted
for
smaller
run
times.
So,
if
we
really
look
back,
I
I
I
do
feel
very
confident
and
and
and
very
excited
about
the
future
of
the
jakarta
e.
You
will
see
a
little
bit
later.
A
I
will
invite
you
to
participate
in
in
in
many
of
the
meetings
that
that
we're
having,
and
I
will
call
out,
particularly
the
the
jakarta
platform,
call
where
a
lot
of
the
conversations
are
happening
about
the
future
of
the
platform
and,
of
course,
jay.
Carte
10
release.
A
It
is
I
I'm
providing
all
the
links,
but
I
do
want
to
show
the
people
as
well
just
to
get
familiar
with
the
page
and
and
go
and
visit
it.
Often
there
is
also
the
faq.
Is
it
this
one?
No,
I
I
closed
that
one
so
I'll
just
open
it
so
faq.
Please
give
us
suggestions
if
if
there
are
questions-
and
we
should
document
it
in
the
faq,
please
please
do
let
us
know.
D
How
does
someone
that
has
no
idea
about
how
to
provide
feedback
does
provide
feedback
on
the
the
f
eq,
so.
A
So
there
are
tons
of
the
mailing
lists
comment
on
the
on
on
this
call.
I
will
so
when
I
say
tons
of
the
mailing
list.
It
doesn't
help
you
much,
but
we
do
have
our
standard
slide
on
on
on
the
the
mailing
list
and
we
will
call
that
out.
In
particular,
there
is
a
slack
development
space.
A
And
more
even
more
so
contact
the
project
team,
so
you
will
see
here
the
mailing
list
also
for
the
project
team,
so
feel
free
to
subscribe
and
contact
the
platform
team
directly.
If,
if
you
wanna
provide
any
comments
and
thanks
amelia
for
asking
that
question.
A
No,
I
I
I
I'm
sure
you
know,
but
thanks
for
asking,
so
I
can
share
it
with
the
community.
Yes,
so
let
me
see
there
is
also
jakarta
wiki
page,
and
let
me
I'm
hoping
it's
this
one.
Yes,
so
as
as
a
part
of
the
project,
the
the
team
is
trying
to
collect
all
the
information
that
is
relevant
for
jakarta,
e10
and
publish
it
here,
you
can
see
how
things
are
going.
A
What
is
the
project
status?
You
can
go
to
the
boards
ed
help
me
out
here.
What
should
I
call
out
in
particular
here
to
draw
the
community's
attention
regarding
finding
the
information
about
jakarta,
e10.
C
Well,
I
think,
starting
with
the
release
plan
for
e10,
that's
the
best
place
to
go.
You
were
emilia
was
asking
about.
You
know
how
do
you
you
know?
If,
if
you
wanted
to
add
something
to
the
faq,
you
could
also
use
some.
You
could
also
use
the
issue
tracker
for
the
chicago
e-platform
github
repository.
C
I
can
paste
that
into
chat.
I
don't
know
if
that'll
show
up,
you
know
for
the
for
anybody
who's
watching
the
youtube
video,
but
maybe
you
can
put
that
in
the.
A
C
On
the
slides,
you
know,
I
think,
the
the
two
biggest
things
we're
focusing
on
are
a
a
new,
a
new
profile
that
we're
calling
core
profile
that
would
would
help
facilitate
people
that
are
are
trying
to
build
applications
based
on
microprofile,
which
is
an
adjunct.
You
know
it's
a
that's
a
a
another
working
group
that
we
partner
with
and
work.
C
In
fact,
many
of
us
are
members
of
both
of
these
working
groups
anyway,
so
the
code
profile
will
be
a
an
even
tighter
profile
than
web
profile
and
it
at
least
the
the
intent.
The
initial
intent
is
that
that
would
form
the
basis
for
microprofile
based
implementations.
C
C
Where
and
we're
really
focusing
on
compile
time,
replacing
the
introspective
mechanisms
for
dependency
injection
with
compile
time,
aot
based
support,
and
that's
that's
coming
along.
If
anybody
was
interested
in
that
they
could,
they
can
subscribe
to
the
tdi
development
team
project
list.
A
C
Groups
meet
so
there's
a
lot
of
work.
There's
a
lot
of
activity
right
now,
because
we're
headed
towards
some
component
specs
being
completed.
The
goal
is
to
have
them
done
in
october.
I
think
some
of
them
were
bleeding
into
november
and
I
think
the
you
know
this
will
all
feed
into
the
jakarta
ee
10
release
sometime
in
the
first
part
of
next
year.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
ed.
So
my
next
slide
is
here
actually
listing
all
the
work
that
is
happening
on
the
individual
specifications.
A
Not
all
of
them
are
certainly
listed
here,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
work
is
being
done
on,
especially
as
that
was
in
explaining
more
in
depth
with
the
cdi
I
did
want
to
provide
as
part
of
this
slide
and
calling
out
the
work
on
the
individual
specifications.
A
The
specifications
calendar
that
is
open
for
everyone
to
to
subscribe
to
and
where
all
of
the
meetings
are
actually
listed.
So
you
can
see,
depending
on
your
interest,
find
a
meeting
that
you
would
be
willing
to
participate
and
take
part
in
and
join
those
calls.
I
would
also
I
I.
D
Did
call
out
here,
yes,
sorry,
to
interrupt
about
the
specification
calendar,
which
is
a
great
new
access
point
for
a
few
of
the
most
active.
I
call
them
extensions
apis,
correct
yeah
when
someone
that
is
a
contributor
or
committer
a
committer
wants
to
pull
an
event
or
or
a
schedule
an
event.
D
A
So
what
we
do
is
we're
approaching
the
project
leads
and
working
with
them
to
have
the
access
and
all
necessary
credentials
in
order
to
set
the
meetings
up,
okay,
so
yeah,
so
so
every
every
team
every
project
has
has
their.
You
know
lead.
Who
is
leading
the
communication,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way
and
that's
how
we
we
work
so
far,
it
was
we
had.
We
didn't
have
any
issues
and
we
had
no
problems
with
that
approach.
A
So
you
know
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
that
there
is
a
calendar.
It
is
publicly
available.
Everyone
can
join
the
call
and
and
and
start
participating-
and
I
particularly
wanted
to
with
in
the
context
of
jakarta
10.
A
I
wanted
to
call
the
platform
project
and
and
and
the
call
that
is
happening
every
tuesday,
where
you
can,
you
know,
participate
and
and
see
what's
going
on
on
on
the
platform
level,
but
then,
of
course,
you
can
see
other
other
component
specifications
meetings
also.
D
So
so
tania
one
question
following
that:
great
update:
what
is
stopping
you
and
chapna,
or
whoever
else
is
helping
on
this
effort
from
sending
messages
to
the
working
group
forum
stating
the
kind
of
work
that
is
being
done.
I
will
state
once
again
that
sometimes
we
do
great
work
and
we
provide
zero
visibility
to
the
working
members.
D
We
have
you
guys
that
are
doing
such
a
good
job
at
differ,
different
things
working
privately
with
those
groups
to
not
force
them
into
having
this
call
right.
They
need
to
figure
out
if
there
is
a
appetite,
and
that
is
only
about
the
committers
and
contributors,
but
you
guys
are
investing
the
time
to
talk
with
these
people
and
that
takes
care
in
communication.
So
what
is
stopping
you
from
for
using
more
the
working
group
to
update
not
only
on
this,
but
in
all
other
situations
where
we
are
improving
the
ecosystem.
A
Yeah,
so
so,
thanks
for
the
feedback,
obviously
we're
not
reaching
everyone
out,
but
we
do
feel
that
we're
kind
of
having
a
regular
communication
on
this.
But
obviously
you
know
based
on
on
your
feedback.
We
could.
We
can
do
even
more.
D
Not
in
the
working
group
tanya,
I'm
talking
about
working
group
forum,
we
have
280
members
in
participants
and
people
that
won't
be
able
to
listen
to
this
post
is
rare
when
I'm
able
to
join
this
call
myself,
and
I
don't
like
private
meetings
for
jakarta
or
any
open
source.
So
I
don't
join
those.
You
know
this
quite
well
we're
talking
about
written
communication,
it's
very
hard
to
communicate
and
I
think
a
major
improvement
can
happen
because
again
we
are
not
in
218.
D
We
have
a
budget
and
you
guys
dedicated
to
it
to
enable
us
to
feed
this
information
and
to
welcome
feedback
early
on
so
that
those
that
care
and
filter
their
messages
through
you
know
there
are
plus
40
lists
in
jakarta-
can
choose
what
to
consume.
You
know
you
do
your
job
and
then
you
get
some
feedback.
Maybe
you
do
not,
but
you
exhaust
all
the
millions.
That
is
what
I'm
asking.
I
will
continue
to
ask
since
I
have
done
since
day,
one
or
jakarta.
A
No,
no,
I
I
I
totally
follow
you
emilia.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
so
we're
publishing
the
blogs,
we're
publishing
the
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
exactly
you
are.
Okay,.
D
I
will
tell
you
yeah:
can
you
can
you?
Can
you
use
the
working
group
forum,
the
mailing
list,
to
send
updates
about
things
that
are
happening
or
before
they
happen?
For
example,
we
created
the
marketing
public
mailing
list
and
they
have
yet
to
be
stated
in
the
forum
in
that
forum
to
say
hey
to
anyone
that
has
any
ideas
about
marketing
use
this
forum,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
thing.
Oh.
A
Okay,
now
now
I
see
what
you
understand
like
yeah
yeah,
yes,
okay,
yes
wider
community,
so
I
I
think,
and-
and
s
also
here
are
part
of
the
marketing
committee,
where
we're
working
towards
that.
A
But
regardless
of
of
that
part,
what
we
are
currently
using
is
our
social
media
and
the
mailing
list,
but
absolutely
amelia,
you're,
you're,
right
and-
and
I
do
appreciate
your
feedback-
that
we
should
go
beyond
that,
and
now
that
we're,
I
would
say,
structured,
much
better
and
and
and
and
have
a
direction
of
where
we
wanna
go.
We
can
communicate
it
more
often
and
engage
the
wider
community
and
and
kind
of
lure
them.
A
If
I
can
put
it
that
way
to
to
participate
more
and
promote
more
the
whole
technology
yeah
you
had
that.
C
I
just
I
was
gonna
say
so
for
me,
the
hardest
part
is
filtering
out
from
all
the
the
other
noise.
That's
also
going
on
in
the
project
right,
because
there's
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
activity,
and
so
the
at
least
my
challenge.
You
know
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
my
challenge
is
what
are
the
right
things
to
pay
attention
to,
because
I
I
probably
get
I
don't-
know
70
or
80
messages
per
day
from
activity?
That's
going
on
in
jakarta,
ee?
C
I
was
going
to
say
if
you
look
at
the
the
jaccardi
website.
You
know
I
mean
I
know.
You've
you've
had
a
lot
of
input
into
this.
We
we
do
have.
You
know
we're
working
on
adding
a
blog
section.
I
think
that's
work
in
progress
where
we
would
keep
sort
of
more
sort
of
permanent,
a
permanent
sort
of
catalog.
Of
of
you
know,
written
material.
We
have
an
announcements
and
news
and
events
tabs
on
the
jakarta.e
page
right
and
then
there's
I.
C
C
C
C
A
So
our
weekly
update,
I
think,
once
we
organize
the
our
jakarta
blogs,
a
little
bit
better,
which
is
work
in
progress
right
now,
but
ivar's
blogs
are
coming
out
every
sunday
and
it's
it's
what's
new
in
jakarta
e.
C
C
D
You
you
nailed
it
ed
communication
that
is
enormous
and
open
source
and
every
everywhere
in
the
world,
especially
for
professionals
and
I.t,
and
I
am
not-
I
would
be
very
biased
here.
I
am
not
any
slack
in
any
open
source
slack.
Well,
maybe
one.
I
am
one
for
java
e,
the
old
version,
but
anyway
the
point
is
that
we
can
do
better
by
bringing
together
whatever
is
happening.
D
Ivar
has
a
job
to
do.
He
is
the
death
rail
that
was
hired
and
is
trusted
to
communicate
not
only
with
developers
but
with
users.
End
users,
tool,
vendors,
you
name
it.
His
job
is
to
make
sure
that
there
is
something
coming,
that
there
is
some
updates,
the
job
and
the
marketing
side
and
the
people
that
are
hired
and
also
directed
by
the
marketing
committee.
Or,
do
you
see
what
I
mean
getting
the
feedback
from
the
community
is
to
bring
information
that
is
in
one
place.
D
I'm
saying
the
working
good
for
forum
would
be
a
great
manner
to
go,
and
at
least
start
and
say
you
know
this
is
ivar's
blog.
This
is
these.
Are
the
youtube
channel
with
the
latest
things
and
if
it
doesn't
happen
every
week,
so
be
it,
but
we
can
do
it,
maybe
every
two
weeks
something
runs
something
even
important
that
is
such
as
the
the
calendar.
The
specification
calendar
they
landed
did
lan
in
the
working
group,
but
it
was
never
a
follow-up
on
how
it
would
be
operationally
completed.
D
That
means
ongoing
right,
so
we
as
a
community,
those
ones
that
are
not
members
of
the
committees,
those
ones
that
are
not
strategic
or
voted
in-
have
no
access
of
knowing.
How
are
we
proceeding
with
the
money
invested?
The
project
has
over
a
million
point
four
or
something
of
money.
I
have
not
seen
it
this
time
seriously.
I'm
super
blind
and
I
have
been
traveling,
but
we're
talking
about
what
can
we
do
to
feed
the
working
group
forum
with
this
data?
So
someone
that
is
a
participant
member?
D
A
I
I
think,
amelia,
I
think
what
you're
suggesting
and-
and
that
is
being
discussed-
and
it's
not
for
the
first
time
that
we're
discussing
this,
how
to
engage
wider
community
to
participate
and
help
us
out,
and
particularly
maybe
summary,
on
the
marketing
activities
or
something
like
that.
We
can
consider
that
for
sure
and
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
the
right
people
now
as
as
ad,
was
pointing
out
we're
always
concerned
on
over
saturating
and
over
communicating.
And
we
have
that
problem
as
well.
A
But
I
I
I
think
I
get
your
point
and
I
will
which
shop
them
and
add.
We
will
raise
that
to
the
marketing
committee
and
see
how
we
can
possibly
do
better,
but
we
do
wanted
community
engagement.
I
do
have
to
say
that
I
I
have
a
feeling
that,
on
the
specification
and
even
on
the
on
the
steering
committee
on
on
a
more
technical
side,
we
are
we.
A
We
definitely
want
to
reach
out
more
people,
but
it
seems
that
people
are
quite
engaged
and,
and
actually
the
the
technical
talks
are,
in
my
opinion,
doing
fabulously
well,
but
we
will
even
that
message
can
be,
can
be
propagated
to
to
the
wider
community.
A
So
thanks
for
the
input
and
I'm
sure
tomorrow,
we
have
a
marketing
call.
We
can.
We
can
raise
that
to
the
marketing
call
as
one
of
the
points.
B
Yeah-
and
I
wanted
to
just
add
that
yet
I
do
agree
that
there
is
always
room
for
improvement,
but
you
know,
as
ed
was
mentioning,
we
have
a
lot
of
initiatives
that
are
going
on
and
we
do
our
best
to
actually
communicate
the
main
initiatives
that
we
want
to
see
engagements
from
the
community,
for
example
the
website,
when
we
were
launching
that
we
did
communicate,
that
the
developer
survey
is
the
one
that
is
really
important
to
our
ecosystem,
which
we
communicated
and
basically
through
the
working
group
mailing
list
and
ask
for
feedback
and
so
on.
B
So
we
do
our
best
to
actually
share
all
of
our
main
initiatives
over
the
mailings.
But
there
are
so
many
things
happening
and
we
try
to
prioritize.
B
So
if
there
are
other
things
that
we
want
to
basically
share
with
the
community,
we
try
to
do
it
through
our
socials,
our
website,
our
events
or
our
community
calls
and
so
on.
But
we
make
sure
that
we
communicate
the
major
ones
through
our
mailing
list,
but
yeah.
There
is
always
room
for
improvement.
A
So,
let's,
let's
follow
up
on
that
and
and
thanks
for
bringing
it
up,
amelia
and
pushing
us
in
the
right
direction,
so
we
always
have
this
slide
there
are.
There
are
a
couple
of
slides
that
we
always
have
on
on.
These
updates
call
update
codes.
Why
get
involved
in
open
source?
So
you
know
understanding
of
the
technology
working
with
the
absolute
industry,
leaders
and
and
and
and
and
learning
from
them
building
your
reputation
in
the
community.
A
It
is
amazing
how
much
this
community
or
any
open
source
community
can
help
you
out
and
and
and
and
build
your
reputation
and
then,
of
course
you
have
the
impact
on
the
technology.
I
don't
need
to
say
how
important
jakarta
as
a
technology
is.
It
has
been
for
for
a
couple
of
decades
and
and
we're
certainly
hoping
it's
going
to
be
relevant
for
few
more.
A
So
in
order
for
you
as
an
individual
to
start
contributing
to
jakarta
ie
beside
the
just
the
account
at
the
eclipse
foundation,
all
you
need
is
the
contributor
agreement.
So
please
start
with
that.
Find
the
project
that
you're
interested
in
and
the
community
will
lead
you
to
the
next
step,
and
I
think
I've
talked
enough
shabnam.
Why
don't
you
take
it
over
from
here
sure.
B
Thanks
tanya,
so
with
the
great
help
and
work
from
our
web
dev
team
and
also
the
jakarta
marketing
committee,
we
have
refreshed
the
jakarta
one
live
stream
page
and
also
the
home
page
of
jakarta
e
website
so
make
sure
to
check
it
out.
B
You
can
see
the
link
to
the
github
issue
that
is
available
so
be
sure
to
check
it
out,
check
the
progress,
and
if
you
have
any
feedback
and
thoughts,
you
can
provide
it
on
the
github
issue
as
well
and
in
addition
to
the
website,
we're
also
working
on
creating
a
blog
section
on
the
jakarta
website.
B
Right
now
we
have
the
blog
aggregator,
but
it's
not
currently
on
jakarta,
website's
domain,
we're
thinking
to
create
a
blog
section
that
also
basically
community
members
would
be
able
to
create
blog
posts
on
japan
domain
and
also
the
blog
aggregator
is
going
to
be
moved
to
jakarta
website
as
well.
So
that's
in
works.
B
Can
you
go
to
the
next
light?
Onion.
B
D
Let
me
go
in
here.
I
continue
to
be
asked,
and
I
brought
this
to
the
community
forum
last
year
or
2019.
Actually,
what
happens
why
what
happens
with
getting
the
getting
the
survey
and
not
having
to
provide
email?
I
get
the
question
of.
Why
does
jakarta
need
my
email?
Are
they
going
to
sell
me
things?
What
are
they
going
to
send
me
on
this
email
and
the
answer?
D
I
always
tell
them
since
2000
that
communication
in
19
in
2019
is
submit
a
question
directly
into
the
working
group
and
ask
the
jakarta
working
group
about
it.
Yes,.
B
I
think
that's
a
good
feedback,
like
that's
a
good
answer,
but
then
to
to
answer
your
question.
We
after
the
survey
is
completed
once
we
have
the
results.
We
make
sure
that
we
basically
share
the
results
through
email
directly
with
those
who
participated
in
the
survey
and
also
everyone
who
has
an
eclipse
account.
They
don't
need
to
sign
up
to
be
able
to
get
their
reports
and
we
also
share
it
in
the
jakarta
working
group
drive.
B
So
everyone
from
the
the
working
group
would
be
able
to
access
the
pdf
version
without
needing
to
signing
up.
But
then
this
is
a
great
way
for
us
to
basically
generate
leads,
be
able
to
communicate
with
our
relevant
audience
and
then,
basically,
whenever
we
have
a
new
survey
coming
up
or
we
have
like
an
e-book
or
you
know,
a
technical
white
paper
or
events
coming
up,
we
would
be
able
to
share
that
with
with
the
list
that
we
have.
D
D
I
mean
transfer
because
some
companies
are
still
using
java
ee
and
the
idea
is:
do
we
continue
with
java
ee
or
do
we
move
to
something
else?
And
that
is
where
we
are
when
the
survey
asks
them
to
provide
email,
most
of
them
use
the
private,
the
personal
email.
The
problem
we
have
is
we.
We
want
faster
adoption
and
we
are
to
those
amazing
and
really
good
potential
users
who
are
telling
them.
You
need
to
give
us
an
email
and
we
will
send
you
whatever.
We
think
you
want
to
hear
from
us.
D
So
then
it's
a
deterrent
for
the
seriousness
of
what
we
talk
about
adoption
in
the
past.
When
we
first
launched
the
jakarta
survey,
it
was,
you
know
the
first
one
2019
we
didn't
have
the
technology,
it
was
an
infra
update,
but
still
the
survey
went
live
because
we
wanted
to
make
educate
and
by
then
we
never
asked
for
an
email,
and
it
is
a
choice
who
chose
and
who
voted
to
create
a
barrier
to
get
the
documents,
and
this
is
something
that
is
so
important.
D
I
brought
it
up
via
the
community
forum
in
2019
that
summer
and
I
continue
to
be
asked
by
companies
by
ceoc.
You
know
marketing
asking.
Why
is
this
doesn't
make
sense,
also
these
people
design
to
this,
because
they
have
no
other
choice,
but
to
do
so
they
don't
want
to
get
other
documentation
like
this
is
the
latest
things
on
something
else.
That
is
not
a
survey
we
are
taking
for
granted
that
a
subscriber
will
want
to
know
more
about
conferences
and
things
like
that.
D
That
is
not
okay
and
these
people
are
not
coming
to
the
working
group,
but
they
are
telling
people
that
maybe
have
founders
like
me
from
a
company.
They
are
telling
others
and
sadly
I
cannot
change
things
and
I
can't
speak
for
them,
but
I
am-
and
I
have
done
it
before,
as
stated
in
the
community
forum-
please,
let's
do
better.
Can
we
do
better
on
this?
Yes,.
B
Good
feedback
amelia,
a
couple
of
things
that
I
should
mention
one,
is
that
basically
we
have
a
filter.
So
whenever
people
are
signing
up,
they
have
to
provide
their
email
like
working
email
address,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
they
don't
if
they
don't
opt
in,
we
won't
be
sending
them
any
emails
right
like
even
the
crm
tool
that
we're
using
it.
It's
not
able
to
send
an
any
email
to
these
people
if
they
don't
opt
in.
So
we
are
not
going
to
spam
people
with
a
bunch
of
irrelevant
emails.
B
D
D
A
Some
others,
but
we
will
that's
a
great
point.
We
will
test
it,
we're
very,
very
sensitive
not
to
spam
people
and
that's
part
of
our.
A
We're
where
we're
getting
critiques,
not
communicating
enough
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
we're
really
trying
to
decide
when
to
communicate.
But
this
is
a
good
feedback.
We
will
create
an
email
address
and
and
and
test
it
so
but
yeah.
Our
intention
is
absolutely
not
to
communicate
to
people
who
are
not
interested
in
this,
but
also
there
is
a.
A
There
is
a
little
bit
of
the
hope
and
the
assumption,
even
if
I
may
say
that,
once
you
click
on
downloading
the
survey
that
there
is
a
higher
chance
of
of
that
person
being
interested
in
in
the
technology
and
wanting
to
stay
with
us.
A
But
of
course,
if,
if
they're
just
curious
and
not
interested
to
be
part
of
the
communication
channels,
we're
absolutely
respecting
that
and
we
will
double
check
so
thanks,
amelia
yeah.
Thank
you.
Okay,
moving
on.
B
Yeah,
I
think
tanya
you
covered
this
mostly
we're
just
providing
the
qr
code
for
everyone
to
be
able
to
register
and
we're
also
doing
a
draw
at
this
event,
so
make
sure
to
register
and
stand
a
chance
to
participate
and
win
a
prize
basically
yeah,
and
then
there
are
many
ways
I
think
tonya
covered
this
up
a
little
bit.
There
are
many
ways
to
connect
with
us.
There
are
our
mailing
lists.
If
you
have
an
event
that
you
want
the
community
to
know
about
or
a
news
that
you
want
to
share.
B
You
can
create
pull
requests
and
issues
through
our
github
and
then
you
can,
you
know,
submit
your
blogs
to
be
featured
on
in
our
blog
aggregator
and
very
soon,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
going
to
have
our
own
blog
section,
our
jakarta
website.
B
If
you
have
a
tech
talk
that
you
want
to
talk
about
your
technology,
you
can
basically
submit
a
tech
talk
and
participate
in
one
of
our
jakarta
tech
talks.
Upcoming,
jakarta
tech
talks.
B
A
Yeah
and
that's
it
so
ed
emilia,
I
see
vinod
as
well.
Let
us
know
what
did
we
miss
talking
about
this
quarter
or
or
some
other
clarifications?
D
Go
ahead,
yes,
because
I
think
whatever
and
like
I
was
going
to
say
who
are
you
and
you
know
so?
My
question
is
the
last
question
that
I
have
and
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
join.
This
call
is
the
the
program
plan
in
the
budget
for
2020
is
in
the
work
in
the
works.
It
has
started
a
few
weeks
ago.
When
are
we
planning
on
bringing
not
the
finalized
documents
to
the
commit
to
the
working
group,
but
actually
the
current
drafts
to
the
forum,
and
I'm
talking
about
the
working
group
forum?
D
I
already
have
a
conversation
happening
with,
will
and
actually
is
between
the
community
and
the
working
group
forums
about
this,
and
my
request
is
landing
there
to
bring
the
budget
and
the
planning
to
the
website
under
the
work
under
the
membership
side
and
the
tickets,
the
ticket
is
created,
but
we
need-
and
I
recommend
that
since
the
budget
in
the
planning
is
finally
public
since
december
2020-
that
whatever
is
in
the
works
at
the
moment,
that
is
private
between
the
marketing
and
the
extreme
committee
lands
and
provides
the
feedback
or
give
the
the
community
enough
feedback.
D
Those
ones
that
care
to
say,
hey,
why
eggs?
Why
don't
we
change
that?
Are
we
planning
to
do
that
this
year,
or
are
we
going
to
just
inform
our
community
of
how
the
resources
and
the
budget
is
going
to
be
a
spent?
What
is
our
intake
on
this
and
ed?
You
are
part
of
the
student
committee,
I'm
hoping
that
you
will
answer
this,
not
on
behalf
of
the
community,
but
maybe
yourself
as
well,
so.
A
Before
adds
takes
it
over
just
to
let
you
know
that,
as
you
pointed
out,
we're
currently
working
on
on
the
program
plan
and-
and
you
know,
budget
is
the
the
secondary
parts
to
the
program
plan.
The
program
plan
is
also
going
to
fold
in
some
of
the
high-level
marketing
goals
and
and
subsequently
marketing
plan
will
flow
out
of
it
and
and
for
the
working
group
jakarta
working
group.
A
There
is
a
actually
a
meeting
next
week
that
is
already
communicated
and
will
further
be
communicated
to
the
working
group
members
and
anyone
who
is
subscribed
to
the
mailing
list
to
join
and
talk
about
the
plans
with
regards
to
2022
and
and
kind
of
have
a
look
back
at
2021..
C
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
the
same
thing:
there's
a
next
next
tuesday
at
9
30
a.m.
Pacific
time,
there's
a
guardian,
open,
jacardi,
working
group
meeting
where
we'll
go
through
some
of
that
stuff.
It's
going
to
be
high
level
right,
because
you
know
we've
got
there's
lots
of
things
to
cover
and
they
only
have
an
hour.
C
C
They
can
get
those
from
the
representative
and
there
are
representatives
for
committers
and,
and
so
so,
those
those
those
groups
have
access
to
this
information
if
they,
if
they
want
to
seek
it
out,
I
don't
think
it's.
It's
not
mailed
out
publicly.
D
D
There
is
the
chosen
one
by
no
vote,
but
actually
because
no
one
else
nominated
itself
to
run
for
the
for
the
for
the
for
the
seats
the
last
year
and
this
year
to
contact
every
member
of
the
participants
and
provide
those
documents
to
each
participant.
C
It
generally
doesn't
work
that
way
right
when
representatives
generally,
as
I
at
least
in
my
experience,
if
somebody
is
interested,
they
can
contact
the
representative
and
ask
right
now,
you
know:
is
there
another
way
to
to
get
that
information
for
somebody
who's?
You
know
who's,
not.
You
know
up
on
all
the
intricacies
here.
I
I
don't
know.
I
don't
think
so.
A
So,
and
and
we're
reaching
out
through
those
open
meetings
as
well,
amelia.
D
A
Next
week
there
is
going
to
be
certainly
that's
the
intention
of
involving
all
of
the
members
of
the
working
group
who
are
interested
in
providing
feedback
to
do
so.
That
is
the
intention
of
the
call
action.
A
D
I
saw
them,
I
saw
they,
they
will
share
their.
What
is
going
to
happen
with
the
agenda.
My
question
is
the
is
the
plan?
Is
there
a
plan
to
send?
I
don't
understand
if
the
budget
is
public
now
I
don't
understand
why?
If
we
are
open
source-
and
we
are
asking
other
companies
to
join
jakarta,
why
are
we
not
able
to
shape
to
cha
to
shape
the
budget,
the
planning
and
the
budget
in
the
open
we
provide?
D
We
always
provide
a
starting
point,
and
then
you
know
those
calls
that
are
happening
currently
privately
could
be
especially
for
the
project
plan
and
the
budget
could
be
opened
up
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
those
ones
not
in
the
committee
will
have
access
to
voice,
but
they
can
have
only
the
action
of
q
a
section
feature
and
fit
in
and
soon
to
allow
for
those
attending
to
provide
exact
feedback.
While
the
conversation
is
happening,
an
example,
the
mica
profile
working
group
works
always
in
the
open
this
weekend.
A
I
have
to
disagree
with
you
too,
and-
and
I
I
am,
I
would
like
to
kind
of
invite
you
to
agree
to
disagree
on
some
of
the
topics.
D
A
A
Along
with
the
club
foundation
created
the
governance
structure
that
are
interested
in
governance,
it
takes,
as
you
know,
for
microprofile
and
jakarta.
A
It
takes
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
kind
of
put
the
puzzle
together
and
and
figure
out
how
to
work
progressively
how
to
be
constructive
and
and
and
everything
else,
and
I
think
we're
we're
well
on
our
way
with
the
jakarta
ee
in
terms
of
the
budget,
I
I
don't
think
that
jakarta
e
budget
is
is
private,
but
I
do
think
that
it
is
up
to
the
working
group
and
working
group
committees
to
discuss
the
the
budget
internally
before
they.
A
A
I
also
can
attest
that
a
lot
of
members
of
the
ducati
group
are
very
actively
debating
on
on
how
to
move
forward
with
the
program
plan
and
and
what
are
the
objectives
of
the
program
plan
in
order
to
figure
out
how
to
work
with
the
budget
that
they
have
a
lot
of
other
working
group
members
are
absolutely
not
interested
in
that
they're
interested
in
in
being
part
of
the
community
they're
they're,
fully
interested
in
in
the
branding
and
and
compatibility
programs,
and
I
believe,
they're,
showing
trust
with
the
the
the
the
work
that
is
being
done
by
the
working
group.
A
So
I
wouldn't
categorize
this
as
as
as
private
forums,
I
would
rather
categorize
it
as
as
the
governance
structure
that
is
not
necessarily
and
is
definitely
not
mirroring
what
micro
profile
is
doing
and
and
not
that
micro
profile
is
doing
it
wrong
or
jakarta
is
doing
it
right.
It's
it's
just
a
recognition
that
is
different.
A
I
myself
being
part
of
both
communities,
I'm
not
totally
aware
of
how
micro
profile
is
doing
all
of
the
things
that
they're
doing
so
it
could
be
just
the
personal
interest
of
an
individual
to
what
degree
they
they
want
to
take
part
in
in
in
some
of
the
governance,
including
the
budget
ed
or
well,
we
have
only
ad
from
the
community.
A
Would
you
like
to
add
me
something
to
add
something
here
or
disagree
with
me
on
on
some
of
the
things
that
I
have
said.
C
Well,
so
I
think
it's
been,
I
mean,
would
know
this
for
sure
right,
we've
been
pressing
pressing
for
more
visibility
about
things
that
we're
actually
spending
money
on
in
the
marketing
committee,
and
I
think
we
actually
got.
I
thought
really
great
progress
on
that
over
the
past
few
meetings,
and
you
know
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
continue
to
get
that
kind
of.
You
know
you
know
it's
not
a
dollar
for
dollar
accounting,
but
it
certainly
is
you
know
here's
what
we're
you
know.
C
Here's
the
things
that
we're
funding
and
here's
here
are
the
things
that
we're
getting,
and
you
know
that
that's
great
to
see
in
terms.
I
guess
I
would
share
the
opinion
that
there
are
some
people
who
could
care
less
about
how
all
this
stuff
gets
done.
They
just
want
all
these
things
to
be
done
so
that
they
can
focus
on
writing
code
and
producing
you
know,
component
updates
and
releases
and
then
they're.
I
guess
I'd
say
you
know
if
there's
information
that
you
know.
C
What
what
we
provide
our
priorities?
You
know
we
say
we
want
to
focus
more
on
x.
We
want
to
focus
less
on
why
you
know
we
have
been
using
the
history
method
right.
We
say
this
is
what
we
did
last
year:
here's
here's,
how
we're
going
to
alter
that
this
year,
based
on
what
we
got
accomplished,
I'm
sorry,
here's
how
we're
going
to
alter
what
we
did.
You
know
what
we
budgeted
for
in
the
current
year.
We
think
we
should
do
more
for
this
less
for
this.
C
You
know
we
should
add
this
prop
that
other
thing
right
so
and
then,
based
on
that,
we
look
at
what
the
you
know.
What
are
the?
What
is
the
available
dollar
amounts
and
we,
you
know
we
have
to
allocate
those
in
a
sort
of
a
percentage
fashion
right
then
you
know-
and
I
I
guess
this
year
were-
there
is
a
bit
of
uncertainty
about
what
the
total
budget
is
going
to
be.
So
we
have
to
we.
C
To
be
a
little
more
sort
of,
I
guess
you
know,
percentage-wise
allocate
and
then
see
what
the
final
numbers
you
know,
the
final
budget
numbers
are
going
to
be.
I
I
it's
you
know
I
mean,
I
know
you,
you
have
a
particular
interest
in
this
mike.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
hoping
you
know
by
your.
You
know
your
your
input.
We
will
eventually
sooner
hopefully
not
later
we'll
get
to
where
you
think
there
is
enough
visibility.
D
Yeah,
it's
nine
of
three.
We
all
the
strategic
members
the
companies
have
in
work
with
their
teams
on
the
budget
and
the
planning
we
do
all
that
work.
My
concern
is
always
the
same.
It's
four
years.
D
My
hope
I
even
tweeted
about
it
is
that
in
2022
we
can
do
this
work
in
the
open,
and
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
when
we
created
those
of
us
that
founded
they
chose
to
jump
in
and
help
oracle
and
ibm
in
red
hot
it
started
and
become
one
of
the
five
because
to
create
a
project
under
the
work
under
the
eclipse
foundation.
You
need
at
least
five
organizations,
and
at
that
time
it
couldn't
be
drugs.
It
needed
to
be
corporations.
D
When
we
were
on
those
tax
in
those
first
committees,
we
decided
as
a
working
group
internally
privately
that
as
soon
as
the
trademark
legal
conversations
were
completed
by
the
eclipse
foundation
and
the
oracle
team
that
we
will
open
up
all
the
three
committees.
However,
this
happened
it
got
done
in
may
2019.
D
I
have
also
brought
this
up
in
the
community
forums
and
we
status
quo
we
kept
going
because
we
were
used
to
it
and
now
once
something
like
this
occurs,
it
will
take
a
vote
by
the
student
committee
that
oversees
every
other
committee
to
push
forward
for
transparency
and
tanya.
You
are
correct
everyone
every
member
needs
to
vote
and
say
hey
for
some
conversations.
I
will
not
be
comfortable
with
this
and
there
is
this
level
of
communication
that
needs
to
happen.
The
flexibility
for
everyone
to
have
a
room
to
breathe.
D
We
need
to
get
there
and
my
hope
is
as
a
member
that
was
there
even
before
java
ee
was
announced,
I
hope
that
we
can
become
in
on
this
visibility
so
that
many
other
commuters
community
other
communities
in
organizations
can
become
a
part
of
this
project
globally,
not
only
from
the
united
states
and
europe,
but
what's
happening
about
latin
america,
we're
talking
about
africa
and
asia,
we
have
asian,
really
good
representation,
but
we
want
people
from
the
antarctica
if
we
are
able
to
get
it
everywhere.
Right
absolutely.
A
So
so
I
I
totally
agree
with
you.
We
do
want
one
more
more
members
again.
I
am
not
sure
I
would
agree
with
the
with
the
fact
that
we're
doing
things
privately.
D
We're
doing
things
privately,
yes,
and
that
is
by
choice.
It
needs
to
be
voted
out,
but
it's
906
and
we
should
respect
everyone's
time
and
tanya
shaman.
It
was
so
good
to
see
you
always
always
good
to
talk
like
this
and
be
you
know
in
the
mark,
we're
on
in
the
words
right
and
we're
communicating,
and
I
can't
wait
to
meet
you,
someone
in
person
yeah,
so.
A
A
Yes,
well
thanks
both
of
you
for
joining.
Let's
see.
D
A
People
will
be
appreciating
our
call
here
and
a
lot
of
conversations
and
just
a
reminder
next
week
on
tuesday
for
all
the
working
group
members
that
were
organizing
a
working
group
call
and
also
for
anyone
who
is
interested
in
governance.
The
working
group
mailing
list
has
been
notified
and
will
be
notified
again
about
the
meeting.
So
thanks
everyone
for
your
time.
I
will
stop
the
recording.