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From YouTube: Jakarta EE TCK Community Outreach Call Sep 4, 2020
Description
This call welcomes everyone interested in join and contributes to Jakarta EE TCK.
The call provided visibility on the current status of the Jakarta EE TCK toward Jakarta EE 9 release and beyond, along with how the community is striving for documentation restructure to simplifies new contributors to join the project.
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B
C
Yes,
of
course,
please
can
we
start?
Can
you
can
you
do
the
regular?
This
is
the
day
and
what
are
we
doing
because
we
don't
have,
we
don't
have
the
agenda,
but
we
just
need
to
take
private.
A
Okay,
sure
yeah
so
welcome
everybody.
So
the
the
the
purpose
of
the
call,
as
as
a
follower
from
the
email
thread
that
started
a
couple
months
ago,
is
basically
to
touch
bases.
A
How,
with
all
the
new
resources
that
we
have
in
both
documentation
and
and
the
progress
that
that
the
tck
has
been
having
in
in
the
past
month,
is
to
first
touch
bases
where
we
are
and
what
is
what
are
the
things
that
we
can?
You
know
put
for
the
community
to
contribute
that
will
have
a
amplified
impact
on
the
delivery.
That
is
that
that
that
is
being
on
progress.
A
For
for
the
jakarta
e9
release,
we
have
a
lot
of
resources
right
now,
as
in
the
email
thread
where
I
stated,
I
think
we
we
can
add
it
here
on
the
meaning
meeting
minute.
A
No
meeting
notes
also
what
I
recall
it
create
a
wiki
page
on
the
github
repo
scott
created
a
great
article
that
has
been
published
already
on
the
on
the
past,
mainly
splash,
that
was
sent
from
from
from
a
close
foundation,
and-
and
I
recall
that
a
couple
months
ago
also
when
we
were
doing
the
migration
for
the
for
for
for
the
namespace
with
the
scott.
A
We
also
deliver
a
session
that
started
to
shape
what
we
currently
have
in
terms
of
how
people,
from
from
the
open
source
side
of
the
fence
that
haven't,
got
any
interaction
so
far
with
tck,
but
may
be
interesting
to
contribute.
How
can
they
bootstrap
that
and
most
important
how
we
drive
that
effort
in
the
direction
that
is
going
to
be
beneficial
for
the
release?
D
Scott
go
ahead
just
to
throw
it
out
there
we're
up
to
91
members
on
the
tck
platform
tck
mailing
list.
Now
I
figured
I
think
we
were
around
80,
maybe
a
week
or
two
ago,
so.
C
Yes,
we
were
tracking-
and
I
said
let's
track
this
as
we
make
a
little
bit
of
healthy
noise,
and
now
it's
more
than
another
10,
which
is
a
huge
win.
Every
every
subscriber
is
a
win
because
he
says
hey.
I
want
to
know
about
this.
I
want
to
say
like
in
the
friends
of
jakarta
of
last
month,
david
that
is
here
sent
a
really
good
summary
of
the
tpk
and
we
should
be
adding
that
to
the
wiki.
C
So
I'm
going
to
copy
paste
in
the
minutes,
because
we
he
sent
it
to
the
community
forum
or
the
tck
forum
and
the
community,
and
then
we
just
need
to
add
it
into
the
wiki,
because
that
is
part
of
the
that
is
part
of
the
documentation.
So
we'll
do
that
and
david
do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that?
Are.
C
E
F
E
Awesome
so
do
we
have
an
agenda.
D
C
It
doesn't
have
a
good
user
experience
on
that
level.
E
A
B
C
I
have
added
the
repo
in
this
the
jakarta
e,
the
tck
repo
to
here
as
a
fixed
for
the
agenda
and.
C
We
we
have
an
issue
with
forking
the
repo
and
being
able
to
contribute
prs
at
least
some
of
us
that
are
not
contribute,
not
committers,
and
that
is
that
has
to
do
with
with
the
properties
that
are
placed
on
the
repo
itself.
I
think
we
need
to
still
protect
how
the
repo
the
health
of
the
repo,
but
we
need
to
lower
the
barrier
to
entry,
because
I
can't
send
issues,
but
I
cannot
send
prs,
and
that
is
extremely
rare,
because
on
all
other
specifications
I
am
able
to
send
prs.
C
D
Okay,
so
it
is,
is
there
I
mean
other
than
you,
so
your
account
is
not
you
know,
there's
something
going
on
wrong
there,
but
but
for
you
know
for
other
non-committers,
is
there
any
eclipse
level
setting
to
allow
none
committers
to
create
pull
requests
for
wiki?
I
wasn't
under
the
impression
that
github
wikis,
just
don't
support,
pull
requests
at
all.
E
Yeah
they're,
unfortunately
like
it's
so
crazy,
because
you
would
think
that
you
would
protect
coding
and
make
the
ability
to
for
people
to
help
out
with
documentation
like
even
easier,
even
lower
bar.
But
but
no
you
can't.
You
can't
contribute
to
the
documentation
in
a
wiki
unless
you
have
right
access
to
the
repo
there's,
no
pr
concept.
Unfortunately,
it's
so.
G
C
But
we
don't
want
that
and
you're
correct
as
a
shortcut.
Let
me
finish
on
this.
I
discovered
this
when
I
was
working
with
the
jakarta,
juan
and
espanol,
because
they
they
commit
the
committee,
it's
right
in
the
documentation
that
we
need
to
add
to
the
wiki
itself
under
spanish,
so
the
next
iteration
of
the
committee
volunteers
can
just
own
it
and
help
the
documentation.
E
E
A
A
E
A
E
Right,
you
don't
get
the
option
to
create
prs,
but
you
can
clone
it
as
a
repo,
so
it
doesn't
really
make
it.
You
know
you
still
can't
submit
pr,
which
is
why,
basically,
that
information
is
useful,
so
you
can
clone
the
repo
get
all
the
revisions
out.
Merge
those
revisions
into
some
other
repo
which
does
allow
pr's,
and
then
you
can
continue
from
there.
B
He
can't
seem
to
connect
his
audio,
I'm
not
sure
he
can
listen,
I'm
for
whatever
gets
contributions.
What
do
you?
What
about
using
the
github?
I
o
pages,
you
know.
F
B
B
B
Branch
yeah,
so
there's
there's
a
couple
ways
to
do
that
right.
You
could
just
edit
directly
in
the
branch
in
glass
fish
they
in
the
glassfish
project,
they
have
a
docs
folder
and
that
whole
thing
gets
generated
every
time
somebody
commits
to
it
so,
and
that
might
be
a
special
case
because
they
got
a
lot
of
user
guide
documents
that
need
to
get
built
that
are
from
ascii
doc
right.
We
probably
don't
have
that
here
yet.
E
B
So
I,
like
the
finished
look
of
the
you
know,
you
can
apply
a
template
and
you
can
modify
the
template
and
make
it
look
whatever.
However,
you
want.
E
Yeah
yeah
github
pages
also
support
having
a
directory
in
your
master
repo.
So
there's
two
files,
two
forms
that
you
can
use
them.
You
can
use
a
github
pages
thing
and
you
can
also
have
a
directory
in
your
master
repo
if
we
had
a
directory
in
your
mast
in
the
master
repo
that
might
make
it
easier
for
what
you
just
said,
ed,
which
would
be
to
have
the
user
guides,
show
up
because
they
could
be
somehow
under
that
like
there
could
be
a
docs
directory
or
something
like
that.
E
C
C
That
would
be
amazing,
so
then
only
contributors
can
do
that.
What
is
the
etf
for
that?
If
we
start
not
today,
because
it's
the
end
of
the
day
for
many,
but
a
few
of
us
that
are
in
the
us,
what
would
be
the
eta
that
we
can
on
on
that
transition?.
E
E
D
Are
they
written?
Are
there
any
issues
with
that
on
being
directly
in
the
platform
tck
repo
with
the
like
the
ee9
development
life
cycle
at
some
point,
ee9
finishes
and
we
go
on
to
ee10
or
something,
and
we
want
to
focus
on
the
e10.
But
meanwhile
there's
all
these
new
users
that
want
to
ask
and
get
you
know,
get
things
answered
for
ee9
after,
but
you
do,
for
that
reason,
does
it
need
to
be
a
separate
repo
so
that
it
can
have
its
own
life
cycle?
D
B
E
The
github
pages
branch
is
typically
completely
different
layout
than
the
master
branch,
and
so
therefore
it
feels
like
you
have
another
repo
in
there
in
a
brand
called
github
pages.
I
always
found
that
to
be
kind
of
a
little
awkward
myself.
Personally,
because
I
don't,
I
don't
really
think
I
think
of
git
with,
like
all
branches
lead
to
one
canonical
branch
yeah
right,
but
that's
that's
not
how
the
github
pages
is
like
yeah.
It
might
as
well
be
a
completely
different
repo.
B
D
E
And
so
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
I
particularly
enjoy
that
myself,
but
you
know
it's
effectively
like
having
a
different
repo.
B
So
some
projects
do
have
a
separate
repo.
I
mean,
I
suppose,
yeah.
We
certainly
could
consider
that
I
was
just
thinking
as
an
expedient.
You
don't
need
it
now.
E
A
Do
I
create
the
issue
for
that,
so
we
can
track
that
and-
and
I
think
in
terms
of
ata
is
as
ed
mentioned-
it's
it's
not
a
a
two
days.
A
B
D
C
You
know
what
I
like
about.
What
it
said
is
that
it
can
work
right
now,
but
we
can
organize
as
a
main
branch
for
dck
and
then
there
will
be
something
that
is
only
for
e9,
because,
as
we
just
send
a
node,
there
are
some
applications,
some
specifications,
they
pass
the
vote.
But
then
we
need
to
make
immediately
a
review
because
there
are
some
things
that
we
missed
and
that
needs
to
be
documented
because
it's
part
of
the
review
process
and
it,
but
it
will
only
be
acceptable
in
ee9
10.
C
D
I
think
it's
a
transition,
I
don't
know
how
quickly
we
can
transition
everything
over
but
as
each
page
is
transferred
over,
we
should
we
should
link
to
the
new
location
and
then
yeah
say
you
know
you.
D
A
note
there
that
everything's
moved
over-
I
I
think
that
would
probably
be
the
most
friendly.
H
E
I
I
know
I
have
some
script
somewhere
that
will
put
the
history
in
the
new
repo.
Like
you
pick
a
directory
and
I
used
it.
I
cannot
remember
where
I
put
it.
I
just
did
a
search
in
the
spot
that
I
would
normally
look.
E
D
I
I
think
that
I
mean
the
wiki.
History
will
still
be
there
and
it
just
and
at
the
very
end
it
became
whatever
we
updated
it
to
and
left
the
message
saying
go
to
the
new
location,
but
I
guess
all
the
current
history
stays
behind.
We
don't
delete
the
history,
so
it's
kind
of
available
it
just
doesn't
move
over.
I
don't
I
haven't
seen
very
much.
I
did
look,
I
did
get
a
copy
of
it
and
and
if
I
didn't
see
very
much.
F
A
Okay,
okay,
so
I
I
think
we
have
a
plan
of
action
for
for
the
wiki
and
and
what
it
was
already
identified.
A
I
see
so
I
see
I
don't
know
who
who
pays
this
part,
but
going
back
to
the
to
to
to
to
to
the
agenda
objectives?
Okay,
we
we,
we
are
ironing
how
the
information
that
would
produce
more
knowledge
among
the
community
is
being
said
now
in
in
this
approach
of
github
pages,
in
terms
of
where
we
are
and
what
will
be
the
primary
drive
that
we
would
like
to
give
to
the
community
to
help
and
make
the
mark
for
jakarta
e9.
A
Yeah
no
worries,
I
think
amelia,
did
you
paste
all
these
here
yeah
because
yeah,
because
when
we
started
the
call
just
for
the
sake
of
timing
to
have
clear
the
objectives
of
the
of
the
cold
first
was
to
know
where
we
are
at
this
point
with
the
tck
effort
that
involved
all
the
discussion
that
have
happened
on
the
mail
list
being
the
documentation
one
of
those
if
there
is
other
topic
related
to
where
we
are
at
this
point,
I
think
it
will
be
useful
to
bring
context
to
the
people
that
is
seeing
this
video
for
the
first
time
and
joining
also
the
live
call,
and
then
now
that
we
have
this
documentation
that
is
going
to
be
available
in
these
github
pages
about
the
technical.
A
How
do
you
fork
the
repo?
How
do
you
build
the
prerequisites?
The
next
question
that
I,
as
an
example
of
coming
from
the
community
being
the
first
time
seeing
the
tck
repo
is
okay.
What
how
can
I
help
what
will
be
my
next
step,
but
in
in
a
way
that
is
going
to
be
meaningful
to
and
target
to
the
jakarta
e-night
release?
What
will
be
that?
Epics
that
that
that
targets
that
we
can
put
in
front
of
the
community
to
say,
okay,
you
want
to
contribute.
We
have
these
three
things
that
it
doesn't
matter.
D
I
have
a
response
to
that,
but
I'm
certainly
open
for
all
those
ideas.
Might
I
you
know,
I
was
I'm
thinking
that,
like
it's,
I
mean
as
far
as
development
tasks
for
ee9.
You
know
we're
really.
You
know
at
the
end,
so
my
you
know
my
thoughts
were
doing
exactly
what
you
just
said,
but
more
for
postie
e9
and
like
scaling
up
to
four,
what
comes
after
e9
and
participating
in
the
discussion
about
what
the
tck
should
do
for
ee10.
D
You
know
those
kinds
of
things,
but
also
you
know
scaling
up
for
that
in
terms
of
ee9
itself,
though,
are
there
any
remaining
things
that
we
should
look
for
community
help
on
yeah?
I
don't
you
know
what
do
others
think
about
about
that,
not
to
get
pulled
not
to
be
controlled
by
the
development
cycle.
D
A
Yes,
yes,
that's
right!
That's
right!
We
have
people
that
is
joining
for
the
first
time,
so
they
they
they
may
want
to
after
setting
up
everything
following
ads
and
your
documentation
and
all,
but
it
is
currently
up
on
the
repo.
The
next
question
obviously
is
okay.
How
can
I
help
that
now
that
I
have
all
the
tool
set.
A
C
Okay,
I
think,
aside
from
the
documentation,
I
will
interject
here.
I
think,
aside
from
the
documentation,
we
need
the
jakarta
media
to
push
every
week
or
every
two
weeks
I
would
say,
be
very
aggressive
on
this
and
push
messages
that
call
out
to
jakartas
who
are
interested
in
working
on
the
ee9.
We
don't
have
the
release
date
yet,
but
it
might
be
november
right
and
what
we
need
is
public
measure,
public
awareness.
C
It
doesn't
really
matter
how
much
we
write
in
the
documentation
if
the
two,
if
the
media
of
the
project
itself,
doesn't
help
push
this
information,
we
can
be
nine
people
in
this
call
and
we
can
work
every
single
day
on
getting
the
ones
that
we
know
known,
but
we
have
five
continents.
Well,
seven,
if
you
count,
you
know
like
differently
and
we
have
people
that
cares
about
java
e
do
not
even
know
that
it
has
been
reverended
to
jakarta
ee
and
we
need
to
reach
those.
C
If
we
need
to
pay
for
it
to
get
the
tck
out
and
say
the
dtck
is
open.
No
longer
you
need
to
pay
a
negotiate
for
a
year
or
two
to
get
the
access
as
a
company
as
a
user,
you
can
contribute.
This
will
increase
everything
so
and
anything
we
do
we
need.
We
need
media
help
social
media
help,
and
I
will
just
remind
everyone.
C
We
have
not
publicized
that
yet,
but
in
the
markets
inside
it
is
the
collateral
repo
that
has
been
created
exactly
for
this
request,
the
request
can
be
sent
by
anyone
all
over
the
world
currently
has
two
tickets,
one
from
turkey
and
one
from
france
submitting
two
different
designs
and
we
need
to
do
the
same.
There
should
be
no
private
mailing
list,
no
private
access
to
community.
We
need
to
act
as
we
didn't
have
access
to
the
private
media
lists.
C
We
need
to
use
what
we
have
and
there
is
a
tool-
and
I
will
add
it
here.
There
is
a
repo
that
was
created
specifically
for
this
when
we
think
about
reaching
those
new
commerce.
We
need
to
use
the
media,
and
the
media
is
right
now
managed
completely
by
the
eclipse
higher
people
under
jakarta.
There
are
four.
B
E
Just
a
little
bit
so
if
we
want
to
get
people
involved
with
the
tck
at
least
the
big
one,
one
of
the
first
things,
that's
very
difficult
is
that
you
know
it's
a
huge
beast
and
you
don't
even
know
where
to
start
on
that
thing,
and
you
know
having
any
kind
of
high
level
view
of
what
the
tck
how
it's
built,
or
you
know
just
what
its
layout
is.
E
Or
you
know
that's
really
important,
because
the
size
of
it
is
so
large
that
it
will
intimidate
anybody
from
contributing
or
speaking
about
it
and
most
likely,
when
you
know
we
do
want
to
do
major
changes
to
it
in
jakarta,
e10
as
scott
was
talking
about.
Almost
nobody
would
be
able
to
participate
in
that
conversation
because
they
don't
have
enough
confidence
about
how
the
thing
is
put
together
to
make
suggestions
on
how
it
could
be
improved.
E
So
it'll
most
likely
be
a
bunch
of
people
asking
scott
questions
and
scott
scott
alwyn,
and-
and
you
know
the
other
people
who
happen
to
know-
you
know
a
lot
about
it,
so
we
actually
want
people
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the.
How
do
we
improve
the
tck
conversation
in
inten?
We
need
to
take
advantage
of
the
time
now
to
get
them
familiar
with
the
tck,
while
it's
not
being
aggressively
changed.
G
My
vision
here
is
that
for
jakarta
e10
we
would
need
to
move
tc
case
out
of
the
bigger
jakarta
tck
repository
to
individual
projects,
with
similar
way,
as
it
was
done
with
jason
biden,
for
instance
right,
so
we
won't
be
or
they
will
be
tck
project,
the
bigger
one,
but
some
of
standalone
tc
case
will
be
moved
out
of
it
and
it
will
become
smaller
because
of
that
right.
G
So
in
this
case,
do
we
really
need
to
attract
people
to
the
bigger
jakarta,
tck
repository,
which
has
a
lot
of
disadvantages?
It's
big
it's
complicated
to
understand
it's
complicated
to
run
because
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
right
and
people
may
not
like
it.
G
What
if
we
attract
people,
not
by
saying
that,
hey
folks,
you
should
work
on
that
big
jakarti
tck
project,
but
with
try
to
get
extract
the
tc
case
for
your
project
from
there
and
move
it
out,
because
I
guess
that
this
is
what
we
are
or
okay,
I'm
saying
we
now,
but
maybe
pos.
Maybe
it's
my
personal
opinion
we
should
target
to.
We
should
go
towards.
E
Yeah,
I
agree.
I
wouldn't
personally
have
any
idea
where
to
start
or
look
with
moving
it
out,
so
I
would
have
to
understand
the
tck
enough
to
know
what
moving
it
out
would
mean
in
terms
of
actual
steps
that
I
would
need
to
carry
out.
E
D
It's
it,
it
doesn't
have
a
timeline
really,
but
at
some
point
we
might
end
up
with
an
ee10
timeline
and
the
timeline
to
make
this
change
may
take
longer
than
the
ee10
release
allows
for.
So
maybe
so
maybe
it's
incremental
work.
I
don't
know
I
may
be
ee
10
schedule
allows
for
the
rework-
I
don't
know,
but
certainly
it
all
needs
to
be
discussed
anyways.
You
know
the
idea
of
what
it
would
mean
and
how
it
would
be
done
and.
G
I
agree,
I
guess
it's
up
to
the
project
project
who
wants
to
do
that?
Who
want
to
make
tck
work
easier
right
then
they
definitely
have
to
do
it
because
for
your
api,
having
having
tck
in
the
same
repository
is
a
huge
advantage,
because
you
make
a
change
and
you
run
all
your
tests
only
tck,
that's
as
part
of
your
build
right,
so
immediately
test
that
everything
is
okay.
Currently,
this
is
not
really
possible.
It's
complicated
to
do
right,
yeah,.
D
Does
that
mean
that
we
keep
the
platform
level
tests
that
are
now
moved
into
the
the
standalone
tck?
We
talked
about
that
some
last
spring.
Maybe
it
was
and
it
seemed
like
there
was
different
opinions
about
about
whether
we
would
keep
those
tests
or
not.
If
we
lose.
If
we
don't
keep
the
platform
level
tests,
then
we
might
look.
You
know
that
might
be
a
lot
of
testing
that
we
lose,
which
would
be
you
know
sad,
but
you
know
to
do
platform
level.
B
I
don't
think
we
can
lose
them.
The
the
platform
requires
it,
so
somehow
they
have
to
feed
into
the
platform
tck.
That's
that's
a
one
of
the
problems
I
think
needs
to
get
solved.
Perhaps
migrating
this
wall
to
a
maven
or
gradle
kind
of
build
will
help
solve
that
problem.
But
you
know
that's,
there's
an
investment
there.
C
Let
me
go
in
here,
and
this
is
awesome.
This
is
a
great
conversation
because
now
we're
talking
about
each
team,
individual
aspect.
How
is
that,
if
everyone
does
something
different,
how
will
that
affect
the
budget
that
is
currently
dedicated
to
running
the
tck?
We
need
to
allocate
not.
C
B
They're
kind
of
independent,
but
the
I
mean
I
guess
it
seems
to
me-
there's
sort
of
there's
some
first
level
work,
which
is
getting
people
to
be
able
to
use
the
tcks
as
they
exist.
You
know,
and
that's
kind
of
really
only
something
vendors
want
to
do.
B
Then
there's
this
this
whole
project
about
how
do
we
refactor
the
tcks
so
that
the
api
projects
have
you
know,
have
direct
sort
of
access
to
their
own
tcks,
and
it's
that
second
project.
That's
got
the
complexities
of
having
to
be
able
to
feed
back
into
the
platform
tck
anyway.
So
do
do
we
think
people
I
mean,
there's
a
lot
of
people
on
this,
call
that
I
don't
know
well,
maybe
they
were.
H
I
honestly
don't
know
I
never
I
never
try.
I
can
I
can
try.
I
can
give
some
feedback,
I'm
glad
glad
to
have,
but
anyway
I
can.
I
can.
I
can
try
not
a
problem.
E
Yeah,
the
harness
is
different
for
each
implementation.
For
example,
like
we
we
were,
we
have
a
really
old
wrapper
around
the
tc
case,
harness
from
the
geronimo
days
that
we're
still
using
it's
all
written
in
groovy
and
very
mavenized,
and
you
run
the
tck
tests
via
maven,
and
but
it's
a
you
know
it's
completely
different
than
how
you
run
the
tck
test
for
glass
fish,
even
though
it's
the
same
test.
This
is
just
you
know
yet,
because
you
had
to
do
some
things
as
an
implementer.
E
You
got
to
prepare
your
tsjte
file
and
and
do
stuff
like
that,
so
this
setup
basically
like
prepares
all
that
garbage
so
yeah
getting
people
to
run
it
in
any
mechanism.
Is
one
thing
like
the:
how
do
you
debug
a
test
and
how
do
you
run
a
test?
You
know
those
are
all
important
topics.
I
I
did
want
to
ask
dimitri
a
question
and
I
guess
one
the
question
was:
would
you
be
willing
to
do
some
sort
of
like
walk
through
for
us
on
one
of
these
calls
that.
E
G
H
B
G
In
meeting
or
platform
meeting,
but
on
some
our
committees
right
and
we
had
a
nice
discussion
after
his
presentation,
so
I
don't
think
it's
been
recorded
david,
okay,
so
I'll
ask
him
again
and
yes.
D
He
has
a
pull
request
too,
just
to
mention
that
quickly
that
can
be
viewed.
E
Okay
and
then
the
second
question
is
ed,
was
saying:
the
challenge
is
getting
the
test
back
so
did
he
just
copy
the
tests
away
and
leave
the
old
test
there?
Now
we
have
two
copies
of
the
json
b
tests.
Yes,.
E
G
Right
so
it
was
done
as
a
poc
right
and.
G
Then
the
go
forward
with
a
decision
that
it's
actually
okay
to
extract
tc
case
from
jakarta,
atck
repository
and
move
it
to
the
local
repositories.
G
Then,
for
json
b,
it's
kind
of
already
done
right
it
and
it
can
be
used
as
a
sample
project
sample
project
for
others
who
want
to
do
the
same
right.
G
We
didn't
want
to
add
any
complexity
in
a
jakarta,
e9
time
frame
right.
So
this
is
why
I
said
that
hey,
okay,
we
just
done
it
right,
but
we
use
it
for
local
builds
and
that's
it.
We
don't
use
it
for
certification
right
and
for
certification.
Where
are
the
old
tests?
The
same
tests?
Basically
we're
gonna
change,
tck
in
jakarta.
E
E
C
I
need
to
ask
because
rodrigo
is
willing
to
try
this,
so
it
means
that
rodrigo
will
help
us
run
a
proof
of
concept
on
his
own
and
a
small
branch.
Is
that
what
I
understand
so
dimitri?
You
know
someone.
I
think
it
was
andy.
You
said,
need
the
concept
he
you
will
find
out
if
he
can
record
and
share
it
with
the
tck
community,
so
that
we
can
add
it
into
the
jakarta
youtube
list,
but
rodrigo.
Do
you
understand
you
have
much
flexibility
to
try
anything
as
a
proof
of
concept.
H
G
Is
this
meeting
going
to
be
recurrent.
C
I
think
we
should
make
a
recurrent
for
the
time
being,
but
fridays
is
a
bad
day.
This
was
just
because
we
didn't
wanna
not
start
september
with
this
call.
A
Do
you
do
you
think,
do
you
think
that
you
know
having
like
a
hackathon
or
something
like
that?
Promoting
that
kind
of
things?
How
much
do
you
think
rodrigo
or
hillmer
how
much
the
community
will
be
arrested
to
join
because
there
is
already
a
lot
of
documentation
in
the
wiki,
but
you
are
right
rodrigo
having
that
kind
of
okay.
We
are
gonna,
go
this
and
you
make
questions
and
have
this
feedback
and
listen.
A
G
A
H
Yeah
now
I
think,
finally
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
week,
so
I
saw
I
I
saw
I'm
david
putting
the
meeting
on
twitter.
I
joined
see
how
how
could
I
help
there's
a
lot
of
information
here
for
sure
and
tck,
I'm
sure
it's
one
of
the
most
complicated
parts
of
the
whole
ecosystem
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
if
humor
how
it
is
tiny
as
well,
but
maybe
we
can
join
forces
and
try
something
together.
It
was
available
and.
D
So,
like
rodrigo,
are
you
create?
Are
you
writing
the
jakarta
ee
app
server
from
scratch.
C
C
To
introduce-
because
I
think
ed
said-
I
don't
know
many
people
in
this
call.
Let
me
just
quickly
say:
rodrigo
comes
from
the
new
year
near
new
york,
jack
he's
one
of
the
people
involved
in
the
organization
and
he's
a
user.
So
this
is
great
and
then
hillary
comes
from
the
columbia.
Medellin
drag
he's
also
a
user,
so
we
want
them
their
communities
to
know
exactly
what's
what,
because
both
of
them
rodrigo
is
from
brazil,
but
he
lives
in
new
york.
C
We
need
the
latino
mara.
That
is
what
I
call
to
be
informed
so
that
they
spread
they
are
connected
with
the
spanish
community
in
every
country
that
speaks
spanish
and
many
in
brazil
do
speak
spanish.
So
this
is
so
important
that
the
two
of
you
join
and
this
call
is
recorded.
So
thank
you
so
much
to
the
two
of
you
and
everyone
here,
but
especially
you
too.
This
is
exactly
what
we
need.
G
If
you're
talking
about
hackathon
yeah
thanks
for
joining,
if
you're
talking
about
cacaton,
if
we
convince
eclipse
foundation
to
give
some
budget
as
the
prices,
then
I
believe
that
hackathon
will
be
very
successful.
C
It's
not
that
if
we
convince
the
budget
is,
is
decided
by
the
working
group.
The
eclipse
foundation
has
no
vote.
This
is
decided
by
the
steering
committee.
G
For
prices,
so
we
do.
G
Select
the
best
solution
right
and
they
just
give
a
price
to
people
who
developed
that
solution.
C
Yeah,
that
is
like
it
costs
25.
We
can
create.
C
E
C
E
Whatever
you
need
the
printer
to
make
the
printer
template
so
there's
an
investment
of
a
few
hundred
dollars
just
for
the
printing
template,
then
to
print
a
batch
of
shirts
or
hoodies.
You
can't
print
one
you're
gonna
have
to
print
at
least
100
or
fifty,
and
so
you
know
we're
looking
at,
we
bought
a
grand
that
we
would
need
to
do
that
and
that
wouldn't
include
shipping
yeah.
C
But
I
think
we
can
do
this
next
year.
We
can
say
we
can
add
excel
sheets
and
add
the
contributors
that
are
happening.
C
And
move
on
because
this
year
is
really
hard
to
ship
anything.
We
live
in
los
angeles
davina
and
I
and
it's
really
hard.
Nothing
is
going
through
goal
and
we
cannot
exclude
people
and
contributors
that
are
outside
of
the
united
states.
We
need
to
be
equal
and
fair,
and
that
means
next
year
it's
a
little
bit
simpler.
Hopefully.
A
I
I
I
will
change
the
term,
thank
you
dmitry
for
for
for
for
for
day,
because
I
realized
that
what
I
should
have
said
was,
and
now
seeing
all
the
context,
maybe
a
hands-on
lab
that
doesn't
have
a
price
involved.
That,
therefore,
will
not
require
budget
in
terms
of
practicing
practice
to
be
pragmatic
and
and
and
don't
depend
on
on
budget
approval.
I
will
rename
my
my
my
brainstorm
idea
from
hackathon
to
to
hands-on
lab
or
a
workshop.
F
Trying
to
find
the
the
way
to
mute
myself,
I
have
to
comment.
One
of
the
one
of
the
biggest
constraints
in
latin
america
is
the
english.
So
that
is
the
reason.
Some
people
don't
join
this
kind
of
activity,
so
this
kind
of
program.
So
we
need
to
try
to
do
something
there
in
the
in
this
way
and
about
the
this.
The
the
industry
was
talking
about
about
the
hackathon
or
the
workshop.
F
We
say
hackathon
because
it's
the
name
is
most
popular
but
our
workshop,
but
I
don't
know
if
in
quarantine
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
workshop,
because
I
think
people
lose
in
their
houses,
so
we
have
to.
We
have
around
maybe
five
or
more
days
or
a
workshop
in
one
day
a
day
from
seas
or
more
hardware
and
people
enjoy
the
activity.
F
But
I
know
it's
a
good
idea
to
run
a
workshop.
Now
I
attended
a
workshop
for
java
new
javascript,
maybe
two
months
two
weeks
ago
I
tried
to
to
follow
the
instruction
and,
but
I
think
it's
very
hard
to
to
explain
to
restriction
online.
So
the
idea
is
very
good,
but
maybe
we
said
that
we
need
to
try
to
to
see
is
a
good
idea
to
run
an
online
watch
online
workshop.
C
So
humor,
you
said
english
in
spanish.
So
now
we
talk
about
translations,
which
is
one
of
the
main
super
important.
We
found
a
way
for
the
wiki
to
be
documented,
and
I
think
you
missed
that
part,
but
you
will
see
we
hear
the
recording.
C
We
don't
lower
the
bar
for
the
tck
and
we
need
to
fix
that
and
it
needs
to
happen
in
every
language
but
you're
here
and
you
know,
and
we
I
can
contact
the
sao
java
and
say
hey,
watch
this
video
and
help
us
translate,
and
I
know
many
will
jump
and
say
I
would
love
it.
I
think
we
can
do
translation
badges
for
jakarta
to
say
thank
you
jakarti.
You
have
earned
your
fifth
co
pr
or
whatever
else,
but
that
is
just
a
fun
thing
to
say.
C
H
C
Yeah,
of
course
not,
and
we
need
to
find
so
now
we
have
jackets
that
are
in
france,
in
turkey
and
in
south
africa
we
have
charities
that
are
on
it.
Now
we
have
the
repo
that
can
pull
them
in.
We
don't
have
still
a
marketing
or
collateral
mailing
list.
That
is
public,
but
that
is
a
work
in
progress
that
will
happen
very
soon
and
we
will
use
that
forum
for
this
kind
of
conversations,
because
translation
is
as
important
as
documentation
and
tooling.
Of
course,
yeah.
Of
course,.
F
E
For
me,
I
just
want
to
get
this
in.
The
big
thing
for
me
is
that
I
I
it
helps
me
tremendously
like
what
would
what
would
be
great
for
me
and
I've
been
working
with
the
tck,
but
only
from
our
perspective
of
running
it.
I've
never
worked
with
the
tck
in
the
perspective
of
building
it.
E
You
know,
like
I,
don't
know
what
what
what's
involved
in
making
it
the
final
product
that
I've
worked
with
in
the
past
and
so
like.
It
would
be
super
helpful
for
me
personally
if
there
would
be
some
kind
of
overview
session
like
if
we
could
get
together
and
someone
could
go,
I'm
going
to
clone
the
tck
and
then
I'm
going
to
walk
through
the
directories
and
just
give
you
an
idea
of
what
they
are.
E
Then
I'm
going
to
build
the
tck,
I'm
going
to
show
you
where
to
look
for
the
final
built
tck
and
if
you
wanted
to
add
a
test,
here's
how
you
would
do
it
like
that
would
be
super
super
useful
because
you
know
if
I'm
a
developer
on
a
new
spec
project,
and
I
have
a
cool
idea
and
someone
goes.
That's
a
cool
idea,
but
you
need
to
write
a
test.
I
would
need
that
video,
the
one
that
goes.
E
There's
the
tck,
here's
how
you
download
it,
let's
walk
through
the
basic
directory
structure:
here's
how
you
build
it!
There's
the
built
tck,
here's
how
you
add
a
test
and
now
we
build
it
again
and
you
know
there's
there's
the
result.
I
I
would
need
that
personally
for
me
to
be
effective
on
any
spec
project.
C
E
D
I
added
it
to
the
end
of
the
minutes,
at
least
what
I
thought
you
were
saying,
so
it
is
in
the
minutes.
Maybe
I
should
put
your
name
next
to
it.
F
At
that
time
we
had
a
short
article,
which
mentioned
all
the
required
steps.
One
has
to
do
to
run
and
debug
one
failing
test
interesting
part
at
that
time
was
that
tcks
as
such
were
in
subversion
and
organized
within
some
some
sort
of
modules,
or
something
like
that,
so
one
didn't
have
to
check
out
all
the
sources,
but
only
those
he
was
interested
in
okay.
So
maybe
git
has
some
some
notion
of
get
some
modules
or
something
so
maybe
this
could
be
a
way
how
to
organize
the
ripple
for
the
future.
Maybe.
F
F
Right
now,
I
would
find
a
way
how
to
do
it
definitely.
E
Right
I
mean
I
mean
yeah.
Well
that
I
guess
that's.
My
point
is
that
you
know
you
have
to
figure
it
out
right
and
you
have
some
advantage
of
having
worked
with
it
for
a
while.
So
you
know
I
was.
F
Using
it
just
as
a
user,
not
as
a
developer,
right.
E
Yeah
yeah
not
not
as
a
developer
of
the
tck
yeah
yeah,
and
so
I
guess
that's
the
kind
of
the
statement.
I
think
that
you
know
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
you
know.
I
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
how
much
documentation
is
there.
The
problem
with
documentation
to
me
is
that
if
it,
if
it's
not,
if
it's
like,
if
there's
like
too
much
documentation,
I
feel
like
I'll,
never
be
able
to
read
it
all,
and
then
I
never
start
and
if
there's
not
enough
documentation
there,
then
I
then
I
go.
E
C
Let
me
interject
here
and
I'm
sorry
to
stop
david.
We
need
to
end
on
time
at
ten
o'clock
and
my
recommendation
is
for
us
to
keep
this
call
for
the
rest
of
september
nine
in
the
morning
on
fridays.
We
can
do
you
know
we
can
do
like
life,
we
will
do
it
a
recording,
and
is
that
okay
say
no
right
now,
if
you
are
against
it,
are
we
okay
to
have
this
every
week
on
friday
for
september,
only.
D
I
know
I
think
something
like
is
if
someone
who,
maybe
you
know
it's
late,
you
know
it's
too
late
now
so
maybe
start
earlier.
Sometimes.
E
Well,
if
you're
in,
if
you're
in,
like
you,
know
the
china,
japan,
australia
time
it's
already
saturday.
E
Oh,
it's!
It's
not
good
for
those
people
at
all
and
any
time
today.
C
So
we
need
our
our
peeps
from
from
europe
and
that
side
of
the
world
to
tell
us.
Do
you
want
us
to
do
two
two
at
eight
in
the
morning
in
two
at
nine
or
nine
o'clock,
is
okay.
E
All
right
is
there
someone
who
okay
is
there,
someone
who
would
be
willing
to
do
a
at
least
some
of
the
thing
that
we
just
discussed
like
I'm
gonna
call,
I'm
gonna
clone
the
repo
and
I'm
gonna
build
it.
Here's
where
the
tcks
are
once
you
build
it
at.
G
David,
it
would
be
great,
I
think
someone
from
tck
project
needs
to
do
it,
so
possibly
scott,
possibly
some
faults
from
idc.
I
don't
think
that
other
people
on
this
call
will
be
able
to
help
there.
E
D
E
F
E
Go
ahead
if
you'd
be
willing
to
just
wing
it
that
that
gets
the
information
out
there
and
somebody
else
can
prepare
a
more
polished
version
of
the
same
thing.
D
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
I
mean
I
could
just
do
something
basic.
You
know,
like
you
said
you
know
not
build
up,
but
like
yeah,
maybe
download
the
tck
and
run
you
run
some
tck
tests
with
blastfish
and
I've
been
doing
that
with
podman
because
of
some
issues.
Docker
doesn't
run
on
my
machine,
but
podman
does
but
yeah
I
mean
that
it's
probably
yeah
could
probably
yeah
could
do
that.
Yeah.
B
D
I
don't
know
yet,
but
maybe.
D
It's
it's
easy
to
do
to
build
it.
I
just
to
do
something
on
top
of
building
it,
I'm
not
sure
what
else
we
you
know
we're
going
to
do
for
next
friday,
but
I
could
certainly
show
you
how
to
do
that.
How
to
do
set
up
set
it
up
and
do
a
build.
It
takes
it's
just
a
few
minutes
to
show
how
to
set
up
and
do
the
build
and
then
two
hours
later
or
an
hour
later
or
whatever
it
is.
It's
you
know
it's
built,
but.
D
C
F
C
So
so,
let's
do
this
to
everyone
who
has
tasks
here.
Please
submit
the
git
issues
to
the
tck
repo
that
is
in
these
minutes,
so
that
we
get
a
follow-up
and
all
the
tasks
that
we
are
going
to
implement
so
rodrigo.
You
have
some
questions,
follow
a
git
issue,
just
submit
it,
and
then
you
will
get
the
answers
and
we
will
have
this
call
every
friday
for
the
rest
of
september
to
see
how
we
do
and
how
much
we
get
forward
cesar.
Thank
you
for
recording
it.
C
Can
you
please
submit
to
the
collateral
repo,
the
video
and
ask
for
the
jakarta
e
tck
channel
list
to
be
created
in
this
to
be
the
first
video
added,
and
then
I
will
ask
tanya,
via
the
same
repo,
to
create
a
drive
folder
in
the
drive
for
jakarta
e,
a
folder
that
says
tck,
so
that
this
minute
that
is
currently
under
photos
in
jakarta
will
be
moved
there
for
the
future
calls
anything
else,
because
we
have
so
much
work
to
do.
This
is
just
the
beginning
and
it's
super
fun.