Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG, 24 Mar 2022

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Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG, March 24, 2022

00:00 - Introduction
00:55 - Removal of Jenkins is the Way from the Jumbotron
03:50 - Ukraine invasion by Russia and the Jenkins project
15:52 - Jenkins is the Way site hosting and url update
17:13 - GSoC
29:37 - cdCon 2022

A

Four three: two one.

B

All right, uh hi, everybody welcome to the jenkins advocacy and outreach sig today is march 24th, make sure I have my date right so on the agenda. I have.

B

The discussion to remove jenkins is the way on the jumbotron.

B

The ukraine imagery messaging on jenkins dot io jenkins, is the way hosting sites gsoc and cdcon. Is there anything else that we should add to the agenda.

A

Nope those those look good to me.

B

Okay, okay, let's get the party started all right, so um remove jenkins is the way on the jumbotron. So I uh I know john mark has been doing some work on that you want to give us an update on that john mark.

A

uh Actually, I think that one was my action item alyssa. Sorry for me, jumping in john mark, okay.

C

A

John works, john.

D

Mark, oh, go ahead! So so sorry, if so, what I did was adding the cdcon announcement.

B

D

I I don't remember, removing or being asked to be to remove the jenkins.

A

Is the way right- and that was my mistake, so alyssa- let's put the action item on me- to remove jenkins- is the way from the jumbotron. It's an easy removal or okay, or we could have john mark. I think you're at the end of your day, so it's probably just quicker for me to do it just because.

A

We get it done, I'm sorry that I forgot to do it. I just completely forgot now, and the jenkins is the way dot, io, dot, jenkins or the jenkins is the way dot. Io is available for us as a url for quite a while right, it's at least until end of this month and the you renewed, the dns alyssa. So we own the we still own, the only the name for that, even if we don't have the hosting for it ultimately,.

C

A

Okay, good now we do, we do have a we probably want to do a. Could you put a separate note here, alyssa that we need to work with the infra team to make a redirect from the old location to the new stories.jenkins.io location when it's available.

B

uh We're on the written.

A

Location to the new location- and that's that's a good enough description. Okay, after all, we should actually, after the new location, is available.

B

Okay- and this is your action item mark or who is yes.

A

That's for me, okay yeah, so so this is. This is a little bit of of domain name server, uh configuration stuff that we need to do and we may need to work with you to get the permissions to do it. But ultimately it's it's something that the info team can help with.

B

B

All right moving on to the next topic: okay, um so ukraine, invasion by russia and the jenkins project, so proposals to temporary change, the jenkins logo on jenkins.io to support the ukraine war or the ukraine issue.

B

The board has agreed that cdf message can be placed on the site immediately, but would move to vote and more discussion to be had about the cossack uh image as olight has concerns.

B

So I know that jean-marc is working on that. Thank you jean-marc and I'm working to obtain the svg file for you. If you still need that.

D

Yes, so I I can show you a prototype of what I have. I I quickly whipped something together uh with git pods. uh So do you want me to show that.

B

Sure should I stop saying.

D

Yes, because then I'm going.

B

D

Share my screen, so there we are.

D

So this is git pods, like just going to make it a little bit bigger.

A

And so what we're seeing right now john mark is an ide view right.

D

Right correct, so uh this is where uh the configuration is living here, I'm on the on my fork uh and on the master branch, and so I have the the local environment running and I can see it so it's running on in the cloud, and this is how it looks uh currently.

C

D

See the size of the icon: here I am going to change now. This is in my way there I'm going to change the branch here from master to stop the war, one it will reload and uh either it does it where I need to restart the server.

A

D

A

Oh, that's a cool demo, john mark! You you you rough.

D

Nice there's huge potential with uh with that tool, especially for jenkins dot io, to do these kind of experiments so uh uh enough sales pitch. uh This is how the icon that I have been provided looks like so it is uh so. The comments are there is a white background here, because it's a jeep a jpeg, so there is a little glitch here. We see the difference between white and.

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D

There and the image is uh wider than the initial one, so that means that the sizing is not equal to the other. The jenkins is smaller. uh This will. This will be an issue to have it as large as the other in the same rendering, but I think well. This is what I what I got working.

A

John mark, just for experience, would you be willing to make your screen increase if this chrome do a control plus I want to increase the zoom factor. Yeah keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, okay, and it's still it's still looking. Okay, good! All right go back.

D

Down now the largest, I have make it a little bit more reasonable, so the picture works, the jpeg would work, but I'm I'm bothered by the background so either.

A

D

A

And we can, we could convert the jpeg to a png and then make the background transparent with some online tools. I've got an online tool. I've used that will make make an image background transparent. So.

D

Yeah or what's her name, yeah xenia can.

B

D

And I apply the other one so so, unless we don't want to continue uh over engineer the resizing.

B

So um I did reach out to her this morning. She's been quite responsive, but I'd wait until let's give it to like towards the end of my day here and for her to respond, but she said she's, really it's really important to her and she appreciates that. We're using this image for this messaging yeah, um so jean-marc you mentioned about the sizing. uh Is there a specific sizing that I should give her to resize the image?

B

A

Well, let's go ahead, john.

D

Yeah, sorry, so uh for the dirty details, uh the image can be resized that way. This is the maximum. I can do.

B

D

Because then, going above like because this is how I I forced with uh going further, uh uh gets clipped uh by uh the the the the inner working of the system, then to get that working, I need to start getting into the plumbing, and so for me. If there are no remarks on the sizing, uh it's it's the best we can. We can have and is good enough.

B

D

My humble opinion.

A

D

It doesn't doesn't hurt the eye so.

B

Right, okay, um I also had asked kesenya to s. um You know, send us a an image with just the regular butler um since we're gonna be talking more about this and voting on it. I thought we'd give another option just in case, if there's, because when I received this image from ksenia, I also question: what does this? You know the the character mean right so and it seems like ollie had the same question so I figured somebody else is going to have the same question.

B

So I um so, let's see what she comes back with. I think the the the second option is again just the regular butler image with the flag in the back in the circle and that flag stopped the war messaging.

D

Okay, I'm going to show it again, so we know normally, it should reload.

D

Here you see here, you see clearly the sizing thing so so changing the background here to have the ukraine uh and uh some wording stop the word, the war or something like that.

B

Yeah she may do something with his eyes because now his eyes are closed, so she might have it open. I I don't know, but.

A

Well, and- and I like that, oleg oleg noted that the captain icon had switched, they switched theirs, which is a relatively simpler icon to use the ukrainian flag colors as a background.

A

So the the red, I think, was what you were alluding to john mark here could be, could be the two colors of the flag of ukraine. So interesting idea.

D

Yeah gitbot changed their logo also to have the two colors.

B

um Nice, okay,.

D

There, if I get two images, so first question: do I fire this as a pull request? Do I wait for a better image? I can mention it as a comment and fire a second one. If we have an alternate picture.

A

I'd put it up as a pull request, so we can use that as a way for people to view and discuss it, because I had to think a little bit about what it meant based on the wording and the posting on community.jenkins.iowas. I think people will will do a better job if they experience it by going right to the pro the preview site. So if you're, okay with doing a pull request, john mark, I think it would be really great to have a pull request just because we could do a preview site of it.

D

Yeah everything is ready and- and I can I can do- that- okay, so good. For me, I think we looked at a practical example, so I can stop sharing. I believe.

A

And we showed off dynamic development using a web, hosted jenkins, dot, io site well done john.

D

I need to prepare and something to show off.

B

Great work, all right, okay, so we're going to move on jenkins is the way site hosting on the and url update.

D

Just uh just a little question the board message.

D

So text and this we live, we leave for.

A

A second phase, not for a second phase but for a second pull request that I'll submit separately john mark because the board said yes go ahead, no vote needed, it's the same text that cdf used. Let's get it in there, whereas yours will be using your pull request, we'll use for evaluation discussion, the other one I'm going to get it in there and get it merged pretty quickly.

D

And where are you going to put the text, I.

A

Don't know yet.

D

I have to go find the place on the page because well uh I I know where, where it is, if, if you allow me alissa can I show my screen again? Yes, sorry to be nitpicking, but uh this.

B

D

Great it can um share so there we are um so this is controlled, so this text here is controlled at the same place as the uh the icon. So this is where uh we could put it. We just need to see how it flows in in these kind of details, otherwise.

A

D

Needs to be in the jumbotron.

A

And I I like, where you highlight it, I think that's the best choice for where to put it, so I I will. I will propose that as the location and then we can look at it in the preview to see how it how it flows. Okay,.

D

um But we won't separate prs. Otherwise, you you look at where I.

C

D

It and just to show you here: um this is where it happens, yeah. So this is where I I put the the image- and this is here where you can.

D

Okay, now sorry for the interruption, but these little details can save us time.

D

Back to you, alison.

D

B

Still, I'm still on mute, sorry about that. um Okay, you can see my screen now.

A

B

um See moving on to the next topic, so the hosting of the site for jenkins is the way I we've decided. Stories.Jenkins.Io.

B

Anything else you want to add to this mark.

A

Gavin mogan shared that he's making good progress on it and and has good hopes that he'll be done with it by the end of march.

A

uh He may be done with it before that. He said: hey he's got the the caching configuration ready. That's used for the content distribution network on fastly he's got the gatsby site done, he's got the repository ready, so it's it's getting very close. He just needs a little bit more time to work on it and felt like he'll he's pretty confident he'll. Have it done before the end of march.

B

A

Great and by the way, he's he's using this also as a place to experiment with alternate site generation techniques with other things that may ultimately help us on jenkins.io on the documentation site. So he's he's he's doing the great kind of stuff that gavin does yeah.

B

Yeah it's it's a lot of. He has spent a lot of time on it, so I really appreciate it.

B

All right uh so moving on to google summer of code, um how did the one hour brainstorming went to mark? I.

A

For me, I was thrilled with it. We had so we had rashab, who was a former g socks g sock student, and we also had harshit, who was interested but unable to attend, who wants to mentor as well. So we had two additional mentors plus me, plus chris stern and two candidates involved and one who couldn't be there. So we had four of us of a group of six or eight that were interested and had a very good discussion in the process of the discussion.

A

We found three or four or five different topics where any one of us would have missed it, but because we were all sitting together talking about it, we realized. Oh, this is important. This is important. It was one of those experiences of remembering why public and open collaboration is so valuable because we we benefit from each other. Yes, I admit the two people were effectively preparing two different proposals, and yet they both benefited by being together to talk about how they think it should be done.

A

Nice demonstration.

B

Right, yeah yeah. So do you suggest that we do that for other project ideas that.

A

Was what we launched this morning and john mark, I think, was interested john mark. Maybe you want to talk about how you envision it working for plug-in health score.

D

Yeah indeed, so, uh the topic was raised at the end of uh today's uh office hour, uh some very good questions and with a different point of views on it, and so we we agreed- or there was a strong consensus to make likewise a brainstorm session on the plug-in health score initiative.

D

And so the current proposal that was published on the getter uh channel is to hold it on march, uh 31st, hoping that's correct, english uh at uh 2 p.m. Utc.

B

D

So and we're going to collect the same process as for the git cash so going to collect as many questions or ideas or topics beforehand, and so that's rolling.

B

Okay, so that's for the plug-in health score. um What about the rest of the project ideas? Should we.

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B

A

It will, it will depend on what I think is we we watch for that in order to do one of these brainstorming sessions. We need someone who is very actively willing to run the session, who is actively willing to gather the questions facilitate host and I'm not sure that the other project ideas have have that same active thing. I would expect, for instance, chris stern will probably want to do it, but let's, let's go through a couple of these sessions so that we we learn from them before persuading others.

B

Okay, okay, so one step at a time.

A

Well, at least john mark your thoughts.

D

uh I I think it's an idea. It helps um let the people come with with a question and, let's feel on the getter channel. What is the sentiment uh there? Because it's it's I won't say expensive, but energy-wise.

D

It requires the mobilization of resources and stretching time zones right uh on that. It's worthwhile to do, but uh it's it would be a pity to waste it unnecessarily if it can be done by the way. So right. This.

B

Might be my standpoint, okay, I think.

D

I just wanted to correct one thing: uh elisa on the next line, you're saying, there's one proposal: a draft proposal received uh there are two and probably a third one. uh Today.

B

Did the second.

D

B

Just come in john mark, I didn't.

D

I've seen it yesterday evening, I have, I have it on my planning to read it um a personal comment on that: it's a very powerful method.

D

It's not easy to to do it's it's a important step for the attendees to do, but it's super powerful and uh it prevents wasting time from the mentors reviewing the proposals. So we definitely need to promote that and the community gains from from the exercise.

D

So very good idea. The other one is is uh I I'm going to tell you after the the meeting so.

B

I can look it up. I can look it up after the meeting. No worries I'll just leave it blank for now and I'll fill it in after um so we will be doing a call out for mentors to review um the proposal drafts.

D

Yeah, even if it's not their specialty, so it is my personal point of view already be acquainted on the subject, and there are enough comments that can be done on the document by just looking at it, and these comments uh can help the the the students or or um always forget the word, but uh the candidates to have a more powerful uh presentation. The more people look at it and comment at it, the better everybody will grow.

B

That sound okay, mark okay,.

D

Yes, I'm going to send it out and try out the mailing list for mentors.

B

um And then I took a stab at working on a template for grading and see where it's here.

B

um So this is just my initial stab at this. I will reach out to previous uh previous mentors and solicit their feedback. But basically, what I have here is a ranking system number from one to five jean-marc- and I discussed this in great details yesterday and um again, not really knowing what the what google is going to send us. So, basically, I'm thinking, okay, we'll send they'll, give us a pdf file, we'll have links to it and then links to each of the proposals and then reviews reviewer notes.

B

I've got reviewer notes and grading from each of the mentors average score final decision so based on. So I will take this and solicit it amongst um the previous mentors and see what else that we need to add delete um edit yep, okay,.

D

uh There are two things we discussed yesterday that we may maybe add for so one thing is: we need to describe uh beforehand how we're going to deal with ties so meaning when two two have the same grade for preventing a straightforward ranking?

D

uh What is the method, how we vote or or how it works? The second thing uh that we need to work on is how what are the questions? What are the things?

D

That's being graded, so meaning? What is the question that the mentor is answering when uh accepting or or not, and give some some guidelines so we're making progress? uh We start to have a good understanding, thanks to the the work that elisa is doing with the the previous uh mentors. So looking good we're getting prepared.

B

So jean-marc, I think one of the thing so you mentioned about you know: how do we resolve ties so um in reading oleg's notes from previous year the things that's gonna, I think the thing that's gonna be helpful for us. Is we the reviewers notes, so that's going to be looked at carefully and at least that's what I do too, when I'm doing the cfp for devops, world or cdcon, that's where the reviews know just going to be come in really handy, but nonetheless I will still ask that question from our previous mentors.

B

If there's other techniques or ways to to cut the ties.

D

Yeah, what I want to prevent is what I want to help us is that we have some objective criterias, that we can look at to help us in making a decision and that that the the decision is not made, there's always at the end, uh a human decision, but uh uh I I don't want to fall in into the pitfall of yeah. Okay, I like this person and uh I'm choosing him. No, I I wanted.

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D

A straight clear, a process with guidelines and described to be before him. So this is my personal point of view as we we discussed here. I've been through enough of these because it's important for the people, so I I we need to respect that.

B

Sure absolutely um so the question I have is: do we need to do a pull request for this? uh The template just to get discussions or input on it. Mark.

A

It's a good, that's a good good insight. I've. I think we certainly want just as john mark said, we want to find ways to express objective criteria for the evaluation and the templates a good start for it yeah. Why not?

A

I wonder if maybe it ought to be rather than a pull request open it as a discussion on on community.jenkins.io and the mentors list that that john mark has started, because really it's probably good that it be publicly visible discussion, but that the voices that are being heard are mostly mentors, not not the candidates themselves, saying hey. I want to be judged by this or that.

B

Okay, so what if we also so the the the the community list that jean-marc created? That's for this year's mentors. But what if we want feedback from previous years, mentors.

A

If I would guess that we're unlikely to get a lot of feedback from them, but if we do, we could certainly accept it by email.

B

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D

Then serve as a proxy.

A

Yeah right exactly.

B

A

John mark does that sound okay to you if we use jenkins.io, I worry that if we use a pull request, we will be much less likely to get feedback than the the very approachable format. That community.jenkins.io is.

D

A

This is what I had.

D

In my mind, when starting that yep.

B

Great, I will do that then anything else. You want to add on this topic. John mark.

D

No, it's looking good and very interesting experience.

B

For sure, like.

D

B

For sure, okay, so then uh we'll go on the next. The last item, which is cdcon um cdf, finally got back to me about our jenkins contributor summit eta. This is just an eta is that the jenkins contributor summit will be on friday june 10th.

B

I ask for thursday june 9th so because many of us has to fly back out, but most likely they said it's going to be june 10th and they won't know for sure until they announce the agenda next week.

B

Okay, um they will not have. They will not have like an exhibit exhibitor booth, but I think they just have a small area, uh probably with tables I they don't probably don't have the details on it, because I asked a question and they couldn't answer it, um but I think right now, they're looking at something quite small for us, if you know not to staff, but at this point we don't know, we don't have enough information to plan, how much staffing and what is needed and all that yet.

D

Okay, uh mark can, uh when do we start working on on that subject, we're still waiting or.

A

So you know we could we could certainly start any time. I think we we ought to set ourselves an april, 1 start and just agree that we're going to get started then I haven't launched it yet, but I think it's it's getting time we need to. We need to be sure that we we generate interest and that people who are going to be in person. Oleg did ask a question in governance. Yesterday: hey what about since cdcon is now allowing remote presentations?

A

uh Should we have a remote contributor summit and my thought was or what cd cdcon is allowing is hybrid, so they're going to have both remote and local.

A

But my my thought was: I don't want to attempt a hybrid contributor summit, let's either be all remote or all local and for cdcon I think it should be all local. We've got some good participants in austin itself who are local to that community and I think we'll have others who will be joining the conference physically attending. So, let's I think we should do this one local and then maybe two or four weeks later we could consider doing an all remote contributor summit.

B

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

D

Just don't forget to that. I'm I'm available, at least for the preparation part, and so I'm new to this, but I think.

B

D

Add my stone to it.

B

I can help dig up some of the material that was used to set up for the last contrib online contributor summit and that, hopefully, that can help us get the ball rolling, john mark. So I'll dig something up and I'll share with you.

D

Yeah, I'm going to see just that I want. I am busy with the the the mentoring and and administration of gsoc, but just a reminder I can. I can give a hand to and I'm interested.

A

To learn, although this one, because it's co-located, I think really it's best for alyssa and me to work it together. John mark, we appreciate your your help with the organizing, but ultimately, I've got strong incentive to do this because I'll physically be there running it right, okay makes sense. Yes, I.

D

Just watch and learn from it.

C

B

That's it there's anything.

C

B