Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG, 18 Jun 2020

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Regular Jenkins Advocacy&Outreach SIG meeting: Online meetup about Jenkins 2.235.1 changes, GSoC and GSoD status updates, Configuration-as-Code demo Q&A.

Full agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K5dTSqe56chFhDSGNfg_MCy-LmseUs_S3ys_tg60sTs/edit#heading=h.ah8wyrv9fed5

A

Okay, um the recording so welcome to the advocacy network special interest group meeting today is june 18th and we will just discuss a number of topics uh we have in the list.

A

So the first topic we have is chinese terminology cleanup project. So we started the discussion on the last meeting and yesterday we had the genetics governance meeting, so I will just raise my screen.

A

Yes, yes, yes, so I still haven't published a video from the governance meeting because I need to clean it up a bit um just because yeah there was some personal data on the screen, um but yeah. If you are interested, we have meeting notes and we have had a lot of uh discussions about what we do next.

A

So this meeting we basically agreed on our attack. Third one. There is consensus that we want to change all the terminology master at least white list. We agreed how we want to approach that and yeah. Basically, we spent maybe 30 minutes discussing this topic, maybe more and yeah for now master right now we don't have consensus in the developer management. Please thanks for alex so to start first up in the discussion, but we need to proceed and we agree that we should.

A

We will invite contributors to make more suggestions about terminology and project ideas. Based on that, we will select a number of top items and we will have a public vote for that and after that, government support will select an option uh based on this award feedback, so the vote won't be binding uh just because to avoid trolling and whatever but yeah. Of course we will respect the feedback from the community.

A

So yeah we have a number of options listed here.

A

Obviously, yeah not everyone agrees with the document, but yeah, so we start from there and we have number of front runners right now in the terms, and I believe that alex and marky will be coordinating the most of this effort.

A

Let's try it here. We have a number of action items right so yeah also here we will be duplicating blacklist whitelist terminology, but uh the agreement that we don't enforce uh specific terminology, but we make recommendations so that plug-in engineers and communities design it what they do in particular cases, but definitely not objective, at least- and we also intend to start a working group so how it would look like it would be just a sub project or whatever entity.

A

So, instead of doing these discussions at that box and I'll switch, it maybe we'll move to a separate meeting. But it's to be.

A

Implemented, actually that's it for now. In addition to that, we've got a bunch of pull requests over past couple of weeks with technology cleanup and uh different topics. Also the agent terminology, epic. Now it has a lot more information and guidelines how to contribute but yeah. I think that we still need to do more on this front and he's when you look for roadmap, and here yeah there is ancient terminology cleanup here. You can see that basically there are guidelines, etc.

A

Right inside this store, but right now marquis is working on the blog post, but yeah not like. We will just duplicate the information there.

A

Okay, anything on this topic.

B

Just wanted to clarify, if you don't mind when we're talking about uh replacing this terminology with more appropriate terms, we're talking, I my understanding not only about documentation for jenkins io and for plugins, but also changing the names of different deliveries, jar files and docker images and so on. Is it correct so.

A

B

So, for example, here.

A

We have a kind of full scope which was identified. Some stories are really very easy and documentation is part of easy parts, apis, etc. All stories missionable for binary compatibility or whatever compatibility equation. They're, not that easy. Still. There is a consensus that we need to work on them, but my preference would be to start from my easy parts because they provide immediate benefits for jenkins users.

A

Okay, so this is the plan and if someone wants to experiment with api cleanup, please do so.

A

Okay, so um I guess to do quick updates on the stories so for google summer, of course, actually there is no major updates and it's a good news, so everything goes pretty smooth. We have seven projects. All projects have a good progress. We already had the demos by several students. We target evaluation in two weeks and yep, and I think that uh so far everything was on track. uh Nothing specific to report of this special interest group so like.

C

On the on google summer of code evaluations, will there will it be my responsibility as a mentor to uh do the research to know how to do a good evaluation, or will there be a tutoring session from the org admins to coach me on how to do a good job of evaluating that first month?

C

A

Firstly, there is a documentation about google okay, so we didn't uh plan to do anything specific for our tutoring mentors, but that's why we have office hours. That's why we have many things. So if you have something to ask, please let us know: okay, okay, so here, okay, for example, in the mentor guide you can. I see some.

A

What has happened? You didn't I'm yeah right. I didn't click the link, so here, for example, uh you have evaluation periods. There are some expectations you can find right here, great, but yeah. Really, the most of the information comes from these sections and we can find more.

C

Great that that was sufficient. Thank you so be a self-guided learner is the moral and I'll I'll come to the office hours. If I have additional questions, I need to ask for verification so.

A

Basically, there are two parts: firstly, if you want uh to pass a student, if there is consensus between mentors so that a student is passed, then basically the only important thing there is summaries and feedback to the student.

A

If any project mentoring team considers failing a student, then becomes a bit more tricky and then I will recommend to contact our curtains, but okay, it won't be needed. Yeah, that's great! Thank you. Thanks for the guidance okay, so the next is google season of talks for google season of docs right now we are in the middle of application phase and we have already received a number of applications through the mailing list, which we need to review and deadline for applications is july, 9th vertical correctly.

A

Yes, here we have one two three, four five six applications or something like that so yeah.

A

Definitely it will keep us busy and we need to start processing that providing feedback and yeah and then it will be also an interesting challenge to make a decision, because the google season of docs is a much smaller scale program than google season of code. As we discussed before, we have options to also run community breach, etc, and most likely we will do that, but at the same time we will still need to do project selections. According to google season of docs rules,.

A

A

So any questions before we move on, especially from what.

B

Well, I guess I guess I'll be waiting for the guidance as as the process will proceed.

A

So yeah google season of docs is quite relaxed in terms of timing, uh even more relaxed than google season of code summer, of course. But so we need to do reviews.

B

B

Go ahead, oh I just wanted to mention that, following up of my application for google season of docs, I created a simple repository on github, where I'm summarizing all different kind of resources, issues possible solutions for topics that I kind of pre-selected, I'm not sure if those will be approved, but this is just for me in case it needs to be shared. I would be glad to share this as well.

A

B

A

Like if you have something like that, please include it into your application, because, even if it's a separate dock, it's also part of application. It's a part of prior work, which is quite important.

A

Please don't hesitate to reference all such information. All such ideas, you can do the proposal thanks. Okay, so the next topic open source with video conferencing systems. So it's one of the meetup feedback that yeah, basically, we use zoom and we use zoom webinar and one of our participants.

A

The topic to agenda is whether you would be willing to reconsider that for meetups and for item meetings.

A

So I'm not sure whether we have a quote on here to discuss that.

A

I think that, basically it's up to so in the case of special interest groups, especially it's up to the leaders uh to define what they use. I don't think that we should set any standards there. So, for example, jenkins infrastructure meeting is being held in ajitsi at the moment.

A

Many meetings are held in zone like this one.

A

If online meetup platform yeah, I believe that we actually have to stay with zoom webinar taking scalability concerns. Taking all other things, I'm happy to discuss options but yeah, I'm sure to be uh up to movement at the moment.

C

So, oh, like I had failed to add something to the agenda um I'll just type it into the end. If we get to it, it's a possible webinar for next week on jenkins 2.2 235.1.

C

I think I've got a right time, for it is advocacy and outreach this meeting a place to do that. Or do you want to do that just separately by email? Well, you can do that right now, if you're, fine, okay, so proposal is thursday. Tim jacom has accepted for thursday next week, 2pm utc what to be in utc right, 2pm, utc, right.

C

And um mike cyrioli has also accepted so, and I think I think, there's a good chance we'll be able to get daniel beck. If not, I think you and I can cover his portion with regard to the plug-in and user experience topic. So we've got a good panel of presenters ready to go and esther alvarez has agreed to listen. She won't be a presenter, but she'll be there in case. We need her expertise.

C

A

So, okay, then, let's do that, uh do you need any assistance or can you because there is official process and uh what we need actually is an abstract so that we can publish that.

C

Right, let me let me draft that. Why don't you just note the action item for mark to draft the abstract and get it ready.

C

Right then, propose the that's a abstract for the meetup, and that goes into the meetup. If I remember right format, we review it as a draft, and then we publish the meetup once we got the draft approved by everybody.

A

So anyway, we can first track that, okay, but yeah. I think that it would be nice if we announced.

A

A

Yeah, I also wanted to have a meeting about uh jenkins roadmap.

A

um But yeah I'm not sure, maybe I will schedule it uh well. I guess I have to schedule it to the next week as well, but yeah it's rather developers meet up. It's not the user meet up, so it's more relaxed.

C

Right, okay, so this will be a an overview of the roadmap. What are you envisioning? A a summary of the areas of the roadmap and interesting.

A

Topics yeah mostly for contributors, so why roadmap is important: how to contribute, how to propose your topics etc, because yeah, the main objective for me is to actually get roadmap over the line and because it looks pretty okay at the moment. But you know for sure that mainly stories, I'm missing, which could be added so poking the community, a bit which definitely makes sense.

A

Great okay, any questions comments before we move on, learn from me: okay,.

A

uh Would you also drop the social media image.

C

Yes, uh although there I may come begging for your help.

C

If I, if I do it badly I'll, come back to you and ask for ask for help.

A

Okay, so anyway, my.

C

I right- and I have pictures that I can use so it's just making them look good and lay out nicely, is, as usual, a daunting challenge for me, but I will happily have some fun with it.

A

Okay, great so, let's move on then create too many tabs okay, so configuration is called demo. So what you wanted to ask a few questions about it right.

B

Yes, uh so basically, if you go to the readme file, which you put together, uh there is somewhere you mentioned uh in case. If you are running from mac os, uh you mentioned some parameters like capital d, ah just a.

C

B

And I'm not sure I guess it is more related to yeah. I guess this is related to the marvin command, not the docker command. Is it current assumption.

A

Now, actually, it's uh docker command just second, let me show it to you.

C

Yeah this thanks for asking the question vlad, because I had a question from someone about using socat as a replacement for docker and docker. So I'm going to be delighted to watch this and ask some questions myself.

A

Well, I'm not going to really run it, but if you want, I will.

C

A

C

Just the fact that you understood enough to write that readme is already encouraging.

B

Well- and I just wanted to confirm, oleg and mark that I had no problems running this- it runs wonderfully on mac uh by like pulling it from docker hub, but when, like uh building this uh previously, not the release which you did two days ago, but previously I had some some issues. I guess, but I hadn't tried it with the latest release, which you posted a couple days ago. I guess it is 2.4 something like this one.

A

M4, so I think there is actually a bug in the documentation a bit just a second.

A

Okay, our actually pushed from master so should be fine, so here just to explain how this demo works and it has initialization scripts. So, basically, here you can find a file called jenkins, h2 close others stuff, and you can see that there is a def host and defrest if specified it. Actually, it's uh additional option, basically what you need to do in your command.

A

Basically it's here, so you should run image so currently minus a dev host. It points to the current host and they believe that it's just a remainder of the documentation.

A

uh So it's needed basically on the for development.

A

So so, if you use docker for mark on.

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A

Something like that, so the whole point here is actually okay. You don't.

C

A

And docker on this demo. Instead of that you connect directly and since for uh for windows, we effectively run on a separate machine. You need to perform additional tweaks.

C

ah Okay, that's that's why the socat thing socad is providing a tunnel if you will or a a connector between two machines, whereas on a linux environment, I don't have to tunnel two machines because it's on the same same machine got it. Thank you.

A

Okay, I will submit a patch later, but it's just well. No, it wasn't that clear from the documentation.

B

Thank you very much alec for addressing this, uh and just in general, I wanted to address the question. uh It is maybe not related to your demo that you provided and thank you very much. It's like wonderful demo, which can be extended to joker. At least this is my interest, but in general, uh would you recommend?

B

I guess there is an issue of installing docker server uh inside docker image, but before there was blue ocean gents jenkins, ci blue ocean docker image, which kind of deprecated I guess or outdated, although there are still some releases and it has a docker installed there, uh which allowed to write to run declarative pipelines.

B

I wonder uh if we installed not docker server or docker client inside the image, for instance, which you provided. Do you consider there will be some issues with one one thing to mention.

A

That there is basically no docker client and docker server. There is this single docket executable and what it means that yeah. You have uh to install um a client uh for demos which involve docker, but really you have. Basically, it means that you have to install the docker cli just want to really operate in.

C

A

Mode because of document docker and other things, so I'm just trying to remember from where I uh get images there, because here, if I use document docker or if not, I will use it elsewhere. Just a second.

B

So you put the image on docker hub.

A

Yeah, but this image doesn't include so here, for example, this is the agent image I use. I just opened that and you can see that. Well, basically, there is no magic inside it's just tweaked, maybe an image, but I believe that I have images which actually include docker, I'm just trying to remember where and I have difficulties remembering um yeah. I can. I believe that in the records we bundle booker. Let me check and just second sorry look at the image. Let's see that maybe something.

A

A

Nope, okay, I can find it, but basically you just download the client install it at the right place and you get it running.

B

A

So I'll find it for you.

A

Sorry, I thought that it's right inside this image, it's.

B

A

Okay, other questions.

A

So it's a bit obsolete and I started passionate in terms of plugin set because we use this image as a base, for example, for test environments for dark theme and for cables to dismigration, so it was updated, but still internally it has some issues. So, for example, you can go to jenkins yaml, but here you can discover that managing his yaml is quite humble, just midifies through plugin, but the rest, almost everything else happens through groovy hooks. So I still need to spend some time on migration.

B

Do we have some time? Can I ask one kind of simple question so the question maybe, regarding this demo, when I run it, it was wonderful that any person who runs this demo can bypass entering admin uh password, which is usually taken from secrets.

B

uh If you remember, do you know which portion of your demo are responsible for this, bypassing this entering admin password.

A

Yeah, that's easy, so basically you're talking about the installation wizard. So here in this demo, this installation wizard, is just disabled and yeah. There is no magic here. They believe it's here, yep run, step wizard false and after that uh the entire stop wizard is disabled because we don't need it. We configure everything as uh using creationist code, this very streaks and settings and where users are actually configured you can go to any scripts, and here they believe that there is authorization.

A

So here you can see that I create three users: user created only manager for permissions and also admin is created on demand when we request creation of admins. So this part can be easily moved to configurations code. This part cannot but at the same time I'm not sure whether anybody really needs it for them for their purposes.

C

That block also can be expressed as configures code. That's good. I wasn't worried yeah.

A

A lot of things here could be expressed, so what cannot be at least easily? It's all this conditional logic because yeah, it was a development demo and I implemented it in such way and actually even in downstream testing demos. So, for example, I have a demo for testing dark theme.

A

Okay, yeah I'll, just show it there so yeah. This is the demo which is based on this image. Just because I didn't want to configure the entire instance. I took the existing one, and here you can see that I don't use configurations code to enable theme etc, because you can see that there is some logic because you might uh may want to test to test this dark theme. With light theme, you may want to test with different configurations in development mode when you can edit css files and they get applied immediately, etc.

A

So here you can see that there are some conditional logic which is again driven by system properties which again defined uh he injected sausage um and which again just defined by make file so user interfaces actually like that front line like preview etc.

A

Well, I like make so why? Not?

A

It's not a good make file, but it does it's a job.

C

Okay, I thought the definition of a good make file was it does its job.

A

And yeah it keeps working out clean because that's the biggest problem is make files.

A

Okay, so yep, so basically you can uh experiment with this demos. If you want it's quite straightforward,.

A

Okay, so any questions.

A

Okay, so last topic we have an agenda: ui, ux, hackfast growing. I'm not really sure that we should do it today, because here we already spent a lot of time on other topics, so maybe we could postpone. I will just show what's the current status, so I integrated the internal feedback we go to during the hack first, also feedback, form, etc, and currently you can see a document which basically includes all the information.

A

Okay, I took some data from the anime numerous form, but yeah basically what's interesting is the first part so retrospective. So uh what can we improve and what worked well and you can find all the information here and again. This document is open for comments. So, okay, please feel free to add something else.

C

And is, is that document linked from the advocacy and outreach note, so I can find it, I'm not sure I'll find. Oh, it is great okay, so I can just go from the notes there and and review it again. I think I think I'd seen it once, but I would love to do it again review it to be sure that I've understood now. Do you intend then, to do this? We do on a separate meeting that will review and summarize or is this- is this document ultimately the end of the retrospective.

A

um So practically I would be interested to summarize this document, but at the same time we have a lot of stories and for me doing, a form of retrospective does not mean every day as long as we collect feedback, because after that we can grow it when we start playing a new hackathon right. So taking all the issues with infrastructure et cetera.

A

So I don't have strong preference about uh having retrospective now great, because.

C

A

Didn't do it right after the event? um Well, I still have to publish a blog post for that, but well things happen, um but yeah. So for me retrospective, it's a rolling document, so we will be processing it for the next event.

C

That's the document looks like it's captured, marvelous amounts of information about the event so that when we do the next we can refer back to it. That sounds great to me. No need for a separate meeting, all the better okay.

A

So anything else for today.

A

Not for me, okay, then I will probably just close the meeting and yeah. I will publish the recording as well as all yes, this recording at some time today, probably closer to midnight. My time zone.

C

Yeah, thank you. Olek thanks very much.

A

Thank you, tom and yeah I'll. Stop the recording.

B

Thank you mark. Thank you.

A