Jenkins Configuration as Code Project, 31 Jul 2019

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Agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hm07Q1egWL6VVAqNgu27bcMnqNZhYJmXKRvknVw4Y84/edit#heading=h.9eamxfju3kbo

A

Okay, it's been recorded, okay,.

B

um So yeah today is the July 31, 2009, teen and- and this is the jake- has meaning and today book a little over the recent releases yeah.

B

So we had a recent release last week.

B

I can share the screen.

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See when we go out presenting.

B

B

It's gonna be weird: okay, so yeah I, don't know how this is gonna. Look as widescreen.

B

So yeah we had a bunch of fixes from I, don't know how to name a tire.

A

B

Okay and yeah so fixing out the configurator data bank regulators, so it will pass into collections instead of ya, know, pointers and also try to fix up any configurators that I, like required so or mandatory fields, time to discern that and and then Olek was nice to print out secret variables that wasn't resolved to an import and yeah and they a possibility of converting and exporting says.

B

Yeah and number format exception button. Our exporting Jason was fixed so.

B

Yeah and then some test fixes.

A

Configurator yeah.

C

A

Probably other plugins.

A

B

Next point integrations I'll.

C

Take Joseph your screen very hard for me to read my zoom in a little bit.

C

That's about that's better I.

D

B

See it, though, so that's weird, that's funny.

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B

Okay, false, which means no also iTunes anyway, um yeah, that was that was mostly the release, and then we had some discussions about integrations, I, guess that.

B

We quickly discussed moving the votes secret support to the hajikko for looking to avoid clash, loading issues and also just it seems to be better suited to located in that plugin yeah.

B

Have gotten maintain operations, so I should be able to make a release whenever I gotta, okay from the maintainer, so yeah, okay,.

A

B

Everything is approved, so it should be. It should be old, see if I can get something out so code that moves it around.

A

Basically, it would be a breaking change, but I think it will take a while till we'll be ready to release it because yeah well plug in means some facelift, maybe need some test. Automation well,.

B

We have the chest automates, you know actually already here from Jake asked we can just move over and we can move over there other stuff, but the facelift type pretty much fixed palm and I already said the pull request for fixing the palm to the plug-in. So hopefully it should work. I had issues running, there was plugin dependency issues basically, but that was just the palm being misconfigured. Actually so yeah you're.

A

Just looking at the code and.

B

The code should be mostly similar or otherwise. There's people open pull requests that might have some issues that it that fixes it.

A

Couple of requests: well, just the common ones, like these drafters dependable, make sense to enable it from very beginning.

A

So it might be something to fix this well I think so too. Well, basically, it runs on doctors, machines, so I assume that the tests eh in order to be complete, which is not surprising but.

B

We should be mention of them Michael and mix it until you stop so well.

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A

It is just a matter of the label change vertically.

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B

Then I think that people want actually the updated version of there's a new version of the waltz driver, plug-in Java plug-in, which share that has say, kubernetes support as well, and then there was a feature request to actually support agent world agent, which is like a proxy client that handles like caching and auto of the indication that seems to move.

C

That feature wrist over to this plugin yeah.

B

If I move it I'll, add it as well I think, but that should definitely be possible.

A

A

And also Joe Biden, yeah yeah, so I will probably submit a pull request for bit. Well, basically, it's not going to be approved. Plugin poem thing.

A

Just changes incremental and you submit a revised draft and other things to be sweet, or you can do that if you do it first.

B

We'll see um so yeah that's problem, probably also on current development. I guess you.

A

B

Let's see was there anything else on the other son.

B

Why did you go there.

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And this awesome old ancient that would be a nice feature.

B

And you, you created a issue about improving the simple conflict. Is that something we can actually solve, or is it something you have to solve upstream well,.

A

It will likely require purchase. Instructs plug-in, in addition to Jake asked because thread study has no API methods which take context into account. When you look up for symbols and whatever doesn't take base class the generics, all the things means.

B

A

Could utilize in order to improve, for example, mentioned, but the improve is a keyword a because it's one will never be you do so I mean we would just address some use Jesus out of the box in.

B

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Example: it's not a secretary had single collision between one of open source of lignans, SSH slaves begin and call this an I/o, SSH States, and the reason for that is because yeah since the plugins have really similar functionality in some sense so yeah there are functional differences but yeah. Basically, they have common classes like SSH launcher, though they're different uses, H launchers and obviously Jake asked wasn't ready. Today, yeah.

B

I also think we saw Asia had issues with their credentials. Yeah.

A

C

The credentials one is a dodgy looking card, though I think yeah.

A

Well, it's it still can.

B

Be improved, I think if.

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I want I've seen in the credentials plug-in which we will actually meet somehow to somehow resolve generics to make a guess where this symbol belongs. I mean what cannabis genetics in Java is probably not the best thing already dissolving generics in a safe way, with cuz inheritance of, let's see it might play out. You.

B

Also have the issue that we probably haven't sold is inside potential plug-in. Actually, the configurator, of course breaks whenever something is not right, so it just breaks everything instead of the one. That's the problem. I think certificate also currently is like the certificate. Credential is currently broken, which is coming from credential plugin. So those two like.

A

Here, basically, it's not broken. I would say it's just a horrible user experience yeah. If you really want to eventual switch, because you.

B

Can, as we had someone there's a workaround, but it's not nice to do. You have to encode it in base64 as I recall, it.

A

Issue, it's reported from Jenkins in.

C

Children's the require file exactly.

B

Requires a file and the workaround is to provide it in base64, because then the code knows that it should make it right.

A

Horrible workaround, but there was a work about you. Don't need to do something like this. One of the ways is to actually just introduce new credential type, which uses not file but whatever string, so they have another credential which would be independent, but.

B

If you, why they point to some string, I think that was right actually broke.

A

Yeah so succeeded to stop you don't figure it out.

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B

Yeah I mean I. Guess we can move on understand something else. You.

A

It's just a second: it's a Jake asked history: oh yeah yeah. So basically I want to bring up just more feedback, because it looks like a really nice feature.

C

You don't happen to have a screenshot showing what the other one looks like where's, our probably on that I think.

B

A

Oh, there was a recent release of Python config yesterday.

B

A

We use the engine of job config history and face to this engine and yeah I, see no reason why we couldn't do same thing, for the tasks may be an additional plug-in. It really possible I, like.

B

To facelift, so that's nice.

A

So I just brought up this topic. I do not want to work on it immediately and I'm, not sure were they. Anybody wants to put on that wants to work on that, but yeah getting some feedback and maybe looking for contributors would be nice.

B

But usually you usually people have to secure its.

C

B

Clips so or in person control at least so I I, don't know how nice it. Of course, if someone is to manual changes, I'd be more interested in those.

C

Yeah well, the menu changes people are making. Yes.

A

C

Want you, the configuration without being able to make changes to it that.

C

Maybe we could expose configuration is covered in a new permission and not the admin UI or something.

A

Permissions always additional steps, you can definitely do to it and there are some examples of plugins which already do, but here for me, we've had a discussion in Jenkins project about Freedonia instinct API, because it's not only about Jake husk. There is a lot of refugees in Jenkins, for example, if you want to access the system box, if you want to just see what is the system configuration without being able to edited or what it? Basically? Currently, all the permissions are locked down to jenkins admin.

A

So if you had meaning, you can do anything just having a way person to have it on the access to administrative us, maybe G cos who do the bill, support of it. Yeah.

C

Absolutely but the problem is that everything's just built around checking the administer permission well.

A

Once the Jenkins another definition we can be considered, it.

C

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New permission and said Jake asked specifically, it could be a quick green. Oh, we can wait till eventually Jen Sport offers rebounded in ignition.

B

B

So can show you remove on to to come any match, stuff, I, guess sure I guess you take it from here. Okay,.

A

So just create a base. We got. Some progress on community bridge basically got all three women at the approvals to run this program. There is a pending request to Jenks governance meeting to approve the final budget. The meeting will happen today, but even if something goes wrong, I believe I can fund budget from other sources. So I would say that we can proceed with the project.

A

Basically, you know you so current expectation that yes slidin on the who's on the call now will be a student, Joseph and team will be the mentors at least elite mentors and other people are also open to pitch speed and we can I kick over the project once all of you already so even tomorrow. If you want.

D

I think the preliminary stuff we can proceed with the project. I think something that I wanted to discuss is first of all, to get a chart yeah, because we lose a lot of a lot of a lot of important stuff in the channel, because it's and stuff is issues by race by people, so we might lose important discussion. So that's what I propose like we could have our separate. You touch on and fall or the community pledge.

D

It could be named, anything it could be named autocomplete or it could be named in ID, integration and stuff. So if you want, if yeah, if it's created on behalf of Jenkins, would be amazing, so Jenkins slash community bridges Inc in /id auto-completion that would that would help us a great we would be able to discuss anyone can join. What do you guys sometimes.

B

Good idea, yeah.

A

Create a chat right away, you just beyond the name.

D

Since it I think the project is like it's three phases, I mean there's no I mean.

C

To you on, like good Jai Jai cash Jake asked community bridge okay, something if.

D

You d bridge, then it would be difficult for people to find what, if in the future, anyone wants to come in and contribute to a but the ID order completion. It will be difficult to find the channel or maybe you could name it something similar. Maybe.

C

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We could call it G cos, could have tools or something quite a bit. Yeah.

A

Problem for that that yeah, this channel will still have a limited lifetime. I guess that's a longer term that there's no sense to have separate channel when we have our main configuration has caught one yeah.

C

Just keep it and shadow down when it makes sense.

D

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Yeah I want to mention community bridge there. Also, if you want take.

C

Whichever it's long I mean I'm, not typing here, say: okay,.

A

Let's do this and yeah I'll create the channel now.

A

So what I do you can just pass it with the rest, yeah.

D

So I think the next thing that we would discuss I think we just skip the phase one initiation, the Jenkins IOPS I. Think you were was saying that you needed. You were going to do that right, so I think we can agree. That would be done. Do you need any help in setting that up? Well.

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To do it, it was my understanding.

D

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So yeah I can do it if you need it, but if you just create your own page, so you already have a sub-project page for jakers.

A

Just basically what you could do, you can just create a new page and the link.

B

Should be a improve this page.

A

Yeah yeah, you can improve this page or maybe you just want to create a new page so similar to what we do in JSOC. Basically, you can take the juice of template with all the metadata, because it's a separate the layout you.

C

Can inline your Google Doc you a plaintiff every night. We will talk file.

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C

In the poor Kristen we can have a lot.

A

So yeah I consecrated for you but yeah you can do the same on your own.

A

Just pull request to Genki say: oh I,.

D

Know would it be any to be 9/30 one so.

A

Under slash jae-seok, you can just beat new page like the community breach. Jake has the dev tools or something like that, and you can just get a new page and reference it from the existing main page.

A

And then use machinery.

A

So, basically, as Joseph Schultz, it's all computation is code, so you can develop it and you will need to study it anyway because for blog posts, etc.

D

Then I think yeah we have the the candidate invitation. You have the I think that's the.

D

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What I'm going for you give me the opportunity today.

A

So forget about innovation, we'll just create.

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Decorative tools, or whatever at all participants and.

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Participants so we'll do it right and.

A

You will be moved to the Questor emus and.

D

Left with this one discussion, point ID, the initiation: how do you guys want to proceed? I mean.

C

How, with Jason's quinoa and the configuration was cursed, schema.

C

Have you been looking at it because.

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Mean so why not just get a bit familiar with JSON schema and then I'd start what the Jenkins, with no plugins and just configuration as cars, in trying the exporters in try and validate the schema against it and explore what the issues are and just and then tweak try and tweak the schema and to work so that you can validate and then take a look at what changes you need to do to the code and also one big thing we'd like to get out of this is testing out of it.

C

So we can look at ways to improve the testing of the schema. So we don't have regressions. We have had suggestions to move the evil generation from jelly into being generated from Java code, because then we can test it a lot easier and it's quite likely a good thing to do, but so I put it up into discovery, analysis and I'm. Just looking at weird we're easy winds are, and we had a bigger one.

A

Yeah, so you can come here so if we start creating two these tasks, would it make sense to create a project with in computational code, plug-in repository I mean we can create a project a bit? We can create a capricious for stories you want to deliver on then it will be.

D

Also, another thing I wanted to notice: when do you guys are when oh, you guys are available like for doodling I mean what are your general availability lines.

B

That's also a certificate answer, because timezones.

D

C

So this time we're good for me on Wednesdays and Fridays.

B

Or dinner, sometimes yeah.

C

Like I'm a lot more available and don't get having gooder than I am for for calls. Yeah I'll.

B

Probably pretty quickly alive, I guess, yeah.

C

Get our notifications, the beer, sometimes I, don't see, get out notifications for hours, I highly.

B

Recommend this one: no, the fire for github, it's a nice extension just keeps you yep I, just.

C

Mean I look pretty good. It's.

A

Subscribe from many repositories to make it efficient.

C

Yeah well and subscribe for loans that I want. I am.

B

Subscribe to too much I guess I'm.

C

So starving is good.

A

A

We create all the machinery the project today, we will still need to turn on the project. I mean once we have everything in place. We need to find a kind of welcome message to the developer menu list, so you can reference channel, so they you can summarize what you're going to do I mean the places you already have in your proposal and it probably it makes sense to put a link there.

C

A

If you get active feedback from somebody, it would be nice to take I.

A

Think I think it's either tomorrow or maybe early next week.

A

We sorry for distracting you with machinery stuff. No, no! You just disgust asks.

B

Yeah anything else, I think.

B

Okay, to do just end the cold and have you done anything else.

A

Nothing else so I'll post updates in the Gator channel once everything is created in the least sure sure sure yeah the next meeting in two weeks, because it conflicts.

B

We can probably reschedule or just skip it results.

A

A

Maybe we Dina would like to join, but she would be able to join at this time thing, though it's a bit late, but.

A

Don't keep it as a straight yep sure.

A

So yeah, then it gets the bad seed right. She asked to Joseph for running the meeting. Thanks to everybody, for you.

D

Thank you so much.