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A
A
Okay,
then,
let's
go
ahead
with
with
these
topics
so
action
items,
we've
shifted
one
action
item
to
Kevin,
Kevin
Martens,
the
archive
the
docs
mailing
list
and
switch
to
community.jenkins.io,
because
I
was
making
no
progress
and
Kevin
has
been
not
has
been
elected
as
the
documentation
officer.
A
C
A
To
offload
that
I
I
have
a
new
action
item
to
create
a
pull
request
to
document
document.
The
web
application
server
support
policy.
This
is
things
like
Tomcat,
glass,
fish.
A
C
A
A
You
run
this
thing
and
it
then
hosts
a
bunch
of
other
web
applications,
War
files
under
it,
and
it
presents
a
an
HTTP
interface,
a
web
interface
to
its
consumers
for
multiple
applications.
Underneath
this
single
thing,
it's
there's
a
there's,
a
thing
called
Java
EE,
which
is
a
so
Java
Enterprise
Edition,
which
is
now
becoming
Jakarta
EE
under
the
eclipse
Foundation
and
these
web
application
servers
commonly
implement
subsets
or
the
entire
specification
of
this
Java,
ee
or
Jakarta.
B
Yes,
it
did.
This
is
interesting
because
the
wildfly
application
is
managed
maintained
by
red
hat
right.
I
contacted
this
hacktoberfest
as
well
few
test
related
contribution.
So
that's
how
I
wanted
to
know
more
about
it
here.
Yes,.
A
Yes,
well
and
and
there's
a
there's,
an
interesting
connection
between
wildfly
and
Jenkins
or
Cloud
bees,
Sasha
laboree,
the
CEO
at
Cloud.
Bees
was
one
of
the
original
creators
of
JBoss
wow,
so
so
yeah.
So
yes,
there's
a
there's,
a
history
of
this.
This
thing
in
in
lots
of
places,
but
right
now
it's
not
actively
being
tested
or
actively
being
supported
by
any
of
the
core
maintainers
of
the
Jenkins
project.
We
believe
it
works
in
certain
configurations,
but
not
being
tested
or
checked.
B
A
B
Yes
about
this
one,
when
I
go
to
get
a
channel
and
at
G-Shock
sync
Channel
I
in
this
timeline,
we
see
lots
of
newcomers
coming
into
Channel,
9,
saying
Hey.
How
do
I
get
started?
Can
you
tell
me
I
know
this
this
text
tag,
which
are
the
projects
that
I
can
contribute
to
so
it
gets.
These
questions
are
very
relevant,
but
we
need
to
reply
to
each
one
of
them
to
be
fair,
because
each
of
them
is
a
new
member
and
deserves
a
reply,
and
but
it
does
get
redundant.
B
So
I
was
wondering
like
what
do
you
think
about
a
blog
post
for
them,
but
then
I
am
answering
myself,
but
then
we
do
have
blog
posts
in
place
which
lists
down
the
projects
to
contribute
to
right.
B
So
then,
for
example,
the
hacktoberfest
during
heterobics
we
did
have
a
blog
post
which
listed
down
the
projects
the
way
we
can
contribute
to
so.
But
do
we
need
to
have
a
G-Shock,
specific
blog
post
so
that
we
can
just
simply
share
the
link
with
these
people
whenever
they
ask
hey
how
can
I
contribute?
You
can
just
say
that
hey
look
at
this
blog
post
that
will
guide
you.
So
what
do
you
think.
A
A
C
But
you're
looking
I
mean
right
now.
What
we're
seeing
are
people
who
are
shopping,
the
open
source
projects
in.
A
A
And
we
accept
that
that
most
of
them
will
say
they
are
interested
and
then
do
nothing
and
right.
It's
just
that's.
That's!
Okay,
right,
that's
no
harm,
but
that
really
I
think
means
dear
Raj,
to
your
point.
We
don't
want
to
invest
an
awful
lot
of
time.
Writing
each
one
of
them
a
personalized
answer,
because
really,
if
we
retain
if
one
in
ten
of
them
or
one
in
20
of
them,
actually
make
a
a
contribution.
That's
a
that's!
A
good
ratio!
That's
a
that's!
A
positive
ratio.
C
C
Right
I
do
okay,
we
know
how
old
school
I
am
I
like
the
idea
of
the
page.
That
has
the
steps
to
this.
To
this.
Do
this
and
it's
up
there,
the
problem
with
blogs.
Blogs
would
be
great
for
somebody
to
do
a
Blog
on
what
it
was
like
for
them
to
be
in
gsoc,
and
that
would
be
great
and
what
they
had
to
do.
But
blogs
tend
not
to
get
maintained
and
they
tend
to
get
old,
but
they
sit
out
there
and
they're
sort
of
mostly
true,
but
there's
a
couple
of
things.
C
A
A
And
the
same,
modernizing
the
same,
improve
a
plug-in
tutorial,
so
diraj,
just
thinking
through
this
is
me
me
offering
an
idea.
It's
we're,
welcome
to
just
reject
it,
but
we've
got
10
or
15
plugins
that
have
been
adopted
by
John
Mark
by
Bruno
by
me,
so
we're
reasonably
comfortable
that
if
they
submit
a
pull
request,
we'll
review
it.
A
Okay,
so
they're
not
going
to
submit
a
pull
request
and
have
it
languish
and
die,
but
we
don't
want
to
on
each
request
for
hey
I'd
like
to
contribute,
give
the
same
plugin
because
they'll
duplicate
work,
but
knowing
that
most
of
them
will
not
do
any
work
at
all,
even
when
we
tell
them
what.
If
we
just
had
a
rotating
list
that
we
said,
okay,
here's
the
10
we're
going
to
first
answer.
A
C
A
A
rotating
list,
basically
a
what
what
do
you
call
that
rotating
list
of
plugins
with
maintainers,
with
willing
maintainers
right.
B
C
And
can
we
put
a
time
limit
on
it,
so
they
don't
feel
like
you
know,
somebody
gets
it
and
they
say
I'm
going
to
do
it
in
six
months
and
then
they
come
back
and
it's
been
reassigned.
Can
we
say
you
know
like
when
this
is
when
you
get
this?
If
we
don't
see
significant
action
in
two
months
or
something
it
could
be
reassigned.
A
A
C
B
A
B
A
To
go
right,
whereas
if
we
tell
them
here
is
an
exactly
one
plug-in,
and
here
is
a
tutorial
that
you
can
follow,
that
will
tell
you
how
to
improve
that
plugin
and
in
fact
we
can
tell
them.
There
are
two
tutorials
right,
because
tutorial
one
is
improve.
A
plug-in
tutorial.
Two
is
read
the
Google
Doc
contributing
to
open
source,
and
it's
full
of
more
things.
C
B
And
so
another
question
is
this:
suggestion
would
be
an
answer
to
the
question
of
hey
I'm
new.
How
can
I
contribute
to
Jenkins
right
right?
B
A
I
think
so
so,
let's
Okay,
let
me
I'm
going
to
take
the
mark
weight
history
right.
So
I
came
from
a
C
background
Piercy
and
only
got
into
Java,
because
I
had
to
and
and
by
the
time
I
was
contributing
to
Jenkins
I
had
it
was
even
worse,
I'd
gone
through
C
and
done
a
little
bit
of
job
and
then
switched
to
managing,
and
so
here
I
was
a
non-non-java
programmer,
but
I
I
absolutely
wanted
to
fix
some
fix.
A
Some
add
some
more
tests
to
a
certain
plug-in
because
I
was
tired
of
it
being
broken,
so
I
started,
adding
tests
and
and
by
adding
those
tests
after
a
year
or
two
of
annoying
the
the
maintainers
with
tests.
They
said,
let's
make
this
person
a
a
a
maintainer
to
so
that
so
the
the
tests
can
arrive
without
us
having
to
review
everyone.
C
A
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
a
c
programmer
or
a
c
plus
programmer
or
a
python
or
a
rust
or
whoever
deciding
they
want
to
try
some
Java,
it's
a
good
skill
to
have.
If
they
choose
not
to
do
it,
that's
up
to
them.
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
think
them
walking
away
from
from
our
offering
here's.
What
here's
a
way
you
could
get
involved
with
us,
no
problem
we're
not
hurt
if
they
walk
away,
but
we
just
keep
rotating
through
the
list
of
of
this
cue
of
of
plugins.
B
Yes,
now
I
100
agility,
because
we
cannot
in
go
back
to
the
same
problem
of
custom
replies,
so
we
cannot
just
the
custom
reply
them
based
on
what
tech
stack
did.
They
know
so
I
think.
A
This
one
right
well
and
and
if,
if
they
say,
hey,
yeah,
I
I,
actually
many
times,
don't
care
what
tech
stack
they
know,
especially
because
the
tech
stack
that
they
know
is
not
actually
an
indicator
of
whether
or
not
they'll
contribute
many
of
them
come
in
and
say,
I'm
I'm
skilled
in
Java.
If
we
were
to
actually
test
their
Java
skills,
we
would
walk
away
in
total,
disgust
and
say
I'm.
Sorry,
you're
not
skilled
in
Java,
quit
saying
that
and
but
that's
that's
not
important
right.
A
It
doesn't
matter
if
they're,
whether
they're
skilled
in
Java
or
not,
is
actually
completely
irrelevant
to
to.
They
can
do
something
and
the
things
they
can
do
will
help
them.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
actually
create
a
sheet
and
diraj
I'm
going
to
make
you
and
me
both
both
editors
on
it.
A
Okay,
so
let's
see
plugins
oops
plugins
with
maintainers,
with
willing
maintainers.
A
So
this
is
a
test
right
and,
and
it's
a
great
excuse-
it's
it's
really
marvelous.
If
a
past
gsoc
contributor
is
the
one
saying
hey,
this
is
how
you
do
it
it's
much
better
than
if
an
org
admin
does
it.
If
you
do
it,
you
have
an
air
of
credibility.
Saying
oh
yeah
I
did
it
last
year
and
here's
how
here's,
how
you
could
get
started
too.
A
So,
let's
see
so
plug-in,
URL
and
last
last
mentioned,
so
would
that
be
okay?
If
foreign.
A
A
A
Voila
Okay,
so
if,
if
it
was
last
mentioned
to
a
contributor,
then
all
you
do
is
rotate
through
this
thing:
saying:
hey
here's
the
last
mention
I'll
put
I've
got
five
or
ten
others
that
I
can
put
in
there
and
then
try
it.
Let's
see
how
it
works,
say:
hey
here's!
The
plug-in
use
this
one
at
this
URL
and
take
take
this.
The
tutorial
use
the
improve
a
plug-in
tutorial.
B
A
A
A
Sorry
for
making
you
watch
me
do
scripting.
A
A
A
B
B
And
we
did
have
some
success
during
Octoberfest
as
well
when
they
started
new
comments
started
contributing
to
plugins
and
their
first
question
before
contributing.
Was
that
hey?
How
do
I
pick
a
plugin?
So
we
are
eliminating.
A
That
exactly
and
I
think
that's
I
think
that's
a
this.
This
is
this
is,
let's
we
tell
them
which
plug-in
to
to
improve
and
we
rotate
the
the
answer,
the
plug-in
the
plug-in
answer.
B
A
A
C
A
A
C
C
A
B
A
Yeah
see
every
time
I
do
a
recalculation.
It
updates
that
cell,
so
there's
I.
What
I
need
is
in
in
Excel
I,
press,
f2
and
F9,
and
it
converts
it
into
the
value,
but
somehow
or
other
that's
not
it's
not
doing
that
for
convert
formulas
to
Value.
Oh
I,
know
I,
know,
let's
ask
the
question
differently
with
function,
keys.
B
Yes
little
question,
so
what
what
do
you
think
about
that
contributor
who
contributed
to
node
label
parameters?
But
then,
if
you
remember,
was
there
any
contribution
related
to
I
mean
how
was
their
contribution
because
I,
because
I'm
in
touch
with
her
on
LinkedIn
as
well,
and
that's
how
I
got
I
was
asking
about
her
feedback
after
activist,
and
she
told
me
that
hey
it
took
me
a
lot
of
time
to
figure
out
which
plugin
should
I
contribute
to.
So
that's
why
I
thought
about
it.
A
B
A
So,
let's,
let's
double
check
to
be
sure.
Okay,
so
three
three
have
been
submitted.
Two
of
them
have
been
I,
don't
know
three,
let's
see
so.
Yes,
there
are
three
cloves,
so
three
that
were
submitted
and
accepted
during
hacktoberfest
and
one
that
is
still
pending.
And
if
we
look
at
the
conversation
here,
what
you'll
see
is
this
and
I'm
jagruti
I?
Think
that's
who
you're
mentioned
you're
referring
right?
Yes,
so
jagruti
asked
me
hey
Mark.
A
Can
you
help
me
understand
how
to
write
this
test
and
I
had
to
say
I'm,
I'm
I
don't
have
time
right
now,
I've
got
to
do
this
other
work
and-
and
she
came
back
and
said:
hey
can
I
help
you
with
the
other
work,
and
so
here
was
your
question:
do
you
think
I
can
lend
a
hand
with
this
release,
so
I've
got
to
release
the
get
plug-in.
There's
some
things.
I've
got
to
test
in
it
before
I
release.
It
I
said
sure
here
and
so
we
started
a
conversation.
A
Here's
what
you
would
need
to
do
to
help
me
test.
I
pointed
her
to
the
technique
I
use,
but
the
technique
I
use
is
sort
of
unique
to
me.
She
said:
hey
I'm
on
Windows,
not
on
Linux.
What
can
I
do
and
so
I
I
crafted?
Okay,
here's
what
you
do
on
on
on
Linux!
A
Now,
here's
the
same
thing
for
a
Windows
user,
so
I
got
the
benefit
that
now
I
have
a
way
of
doing
this
same
kind
of
testing
setup
that
I
use
on
Windows
and
it
it
works
really
quite
nicely
actually
I'm
really
pleased
with
it
and
hopefully
she'll
be
able
to
use
it
as
a
way
to
help
test
this.
This
very
specific
pull
request
that
I'm
getting
ready
to
merge
and
ship.
A
B
B
A
A
All
right
next
topic,
then,
was
Jenkins
elections.
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
that
the
we
had
planned
to
do
elections
beginning
today,
however,
as
in
years
past,
when
we
get
only
one
nomination
for
a
role,
we
don't
need
to
have
an
election
and
all
the
board
and
officer
positions
are
uncontested.
So
we
have
exactly
one
person
to
fill
each
one.
So
Alex
Brandis
will
be
a
member
of
the
board
beginning
December
3rd
Uli
Hoffner,
a
member
of
the
board
and
our
officers.
Tim
Jacob
continues
as
reliefs
officer
Alyssa
as
events
officer
vadek.
A
B
A
And
maybe
we
should
say
organizations
because
it's
not
just
companies
right.
It's
open
the
OSU,
the
Oregon
State
University.
B
No,
but
when
we
were
discussing
about
those
contributors
who
come
in
and
say
that
I
want
to
contribute,
then
they
just
vanish
I
wanted
to
add
that
I
was
one
of
them,
because
last
year,
I
tried
to
add
a
test
for
Jenkins
configuration
code,
plugin
and
I
added
that
and
I
took
help
from
you
Mark
as
well,
and
even
then
I
thought
that
hey
I
think
this
would
work
and
this
would
get
it
merged
and
when
then
Tim
said
that
hey,
can
you
change
this
small
thing
to
this?
B
This,
which
I
did
not
understand
at
all
so
I
said
sure.
I
can
do
that
and
after
that,
I
was
not
able
to
do
it
and
month
after
month
it
was
not
not
able
to
do
it,
but
then,
and
believe
me,
every
once
or
twice
every
month.
I
would
think
about
that.
Pull
request
for
sure
and
finally,
during
Hector
Fest
I
thought
that
maybe
let's
face
five
years
and
I
went
back
to
that
pull
request
and
saw
that
the
comment
by
Tim
was
very
like
very
trivial
and
I.
Read
the
documentation.
B
I
got
to
know
that
hey
okay.
This
is
what
he's
asking
I
could
do
that
then
I
made
the
changes
and
the
build
passed
and
I
said
sorry
Tim
for
1.5
year
of
weight.
But
can
you
review
this
again
because
I
thought
that
if
there
was
an
option
to
block
someone
on
GitHub
that
would
be
Tim
but
I'm
over
exaggerating?
But
yes
it
get
more.
It
got
worse.
So
this
is
the
journey.
A
Well
and
and
that's
an
excellent,
excellent
and
very
real
sequence
for
many
people
right:
they
they
arrive,
they
they
may
not
stay,
but
they
may
come
back
sometime
later
so
very
healthy
for
us
to
be
sure
that
we're
we're
welcoming
of
people
who
return
we're
not
angry
or
bitter,
at
people
who
leave.
We
accept
that
hey
if
they
leave
that's
okay,
if
they
stay
that's
great
and
we
try
to
keep
persuading
people
to
stay
and
trying
to
find
ways
to
help
them
stay,
but
if
they
don't
stay,
we're
not
going
to
complain.