Jenkins Documentation Office Hours, 10 Mar 2022

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Includes demonstration of translation with help from CrowdIn Enterprise

0:00 - Introduction
2:08 - Translating Jenkins plugin messages with CrowdIn Enterprise for open source
44:50 - Troubleshooting section pull request from Zainab
45:00 - Elizabeth Okaome introduction to her free developer bootcamp

A

Welcome it's jenkins documentation, office hours. This is the 10th of march uh today's topics. We've got simplifying translation contributions with crowdin enterprise. Alex is going to share a presentation for us we're going to have a discussion based on contents of of some things, he's been doing for the last two years in other open source projects.

A

Then we want to talk briefly about chico africa, contributon and elizabeth had a question about internships that we'd like to address here. Any other topics we need to put on the list.

B

um So I don't know if you got a chance to review the pr I submitted.

A

Oh yes, troubleshooting pr, yeah good. I haven't reviewed it yet zinab, it will be okay. It will be later this week at the best before I can review.

B

A

Because I've got other other things that I have to do in review. First.

B

A

But it fits it aligns with what gavin had requested, and I think it makes sense if time allows we may review it uh later today in the in the asia office hours as well. So sorry, later, today is the wrong phrasing for you in in africa, it'll be tomorrow, the middle of the night, all right so so I will. I hope that we get to it and if not, I I have hopes that I'll get to it over the weekend.

A

All right! Thank you for doing it.

B

A

Any other topics we need to add to the agenda.

A

Okay, then, let's take on the translation contributions topic alex. Do you want to share your screen? How would you like to approach it yeah? That would be great if you, okay,.

C

So I'm going to stop.

A

Sharing mine and you go ahead and share your screen.

C

Okay, let's I think right yeah, that's! That would be the right one here. I think we.

B

C

Here right now, can everyone see this? Yes, yeah, okay, well yeah.

C

My issue with translating was always the way how to get started, how to get into it, because yeah cryptics plugins are always on or mostly on, github, and if you want to contribute to github, you need some understanding how to work with git, how to work with github, how to work with branches, how to open a pull request, and so on. So I kind of see this entry barrier, at least that used to be an engine barrier for me a few years ago.

C

So I look for an alternative to translate plugins or software outside from jenkins. That's where I basically get started and crowded enterprise was one of the first things that came into my mind so yeah. Currently, there are only, I think, two ways to translate jenkins plugins, one, the localized plugin, where you have this small button here and you can fill this out and submit it, but that actually doesn't really work anymore, because the local server is offline or something at least according to the repository on github, which was last edited in 2020.

C

So I assume it's either no longer maintained doesn't no longer work anyway. This way you can only contribute local translations, so I think the active way to contribute translations in jenkins is to go the way we are pull requests like via github, and that is where crowdin enterprise can help you to go around to skip the possible entry barrier.

C

I fought this my my uh consequence. This is a bare clone of the consecutive plugin on jenkins is a public repository. Everyone can check out if they want, which are integrated into korean enterprise for demonstration purposes.

C

So yeah uh korean enterprise is actually not self-hosted. You host it on crowding itself, but you have a domain like jenkins.crowden.com.

C

Currently I have it on a different domain, because this is the only open source enterprise setup. I have so. I simply added a coordinate enterprise jenkins demonstration here. I think that is fine. We just ignore everything else, but jenkins.

C

So if someone goes to, let's say jenkinstalkgarden.com or jkrecording.com, I want to translate. I want to help to contribute to this plugin. They can basically click on it. I want to provide the german translation just picking my language here.

C

Please don't mind if you don't understand it yeah and you basically have the folder structure of the plugins and the files you can translate, see the typical properties file you have in each folder, like you have in the typical repository, because if we switch back here, source main resources yeah, because this is actually the folder tree of the repository we have in crowden.

C

So if I click on, I want to translate column the properties I have on the left side. The strings to translate. This is the way how I translate. For example, I want to translate click to center the timeline on event. I click the string. I have it here. This is the source string. I can enter my translation here, but currently I have integrated claudia's machine translation here. So a crown machine, strong, cloudants machine translation suggests me four appropriate strings to translate.

C

Actually, they are all quite accurate and, I would say, click to center the table on event, and if I want to pick a machine translation, I don't want to insert something on. I can basically click this one and save, and I translated it. That's basically, it cloudant handles the integration from github via pull requests and everything else. So basically just need to do this yeah and if I'm a project maintainer, let's say.

A

So alex yeah, are you do you want? Do you want questions during or do you want? Do you want to hold the questions till the end.

C

Just a few to ask me: I think it's better to do it now than later.

A

Okay, so so you did not do anything with github here at all, and yet it somehow found the plug-in source code. um No, um I mean first time you need to set.

C

This up, like you, need to tell it where to get the source code from right, but but you as a user you as a contributor, no I'm as a user. I did nothing.

A

Okay and and the and and then the machine translation that it offered you saved it. Would you then press some additional button that causes it to generate a pull request to propose that.

C

Yeah, currently, I have set up my integration to paul, I think, every hour or every two hour to not flood my emails, but you can basically set it up to provide a pull request if you approved it, if you looked over it hourly daily, whenever you want this, this is something the not the contributor but the plug-in author or plug-in maintainer and customize as long as they have access to that.

A

So so so I as a maintainer would configure. I want to bundle two hours worth of work on the git plugin into a pull request and and the the the person who is doing the translation. In this case, your german language would just sit there and do translations of strings, and I then get pull requests for roughly two hours worth of work.

C

A

Nice, oh that's elegant, and so you did that so the the person perform providing the translation is not doing pull requests at all and yet to me as a maintainer, I receive pull requests and that's what I see yeah but.

C

Basically working I mean if you're working and reviewing the pull requests. This is also possible, but mostly I go via the proofreading thing, for example. Currently I'm in the translator view or something like that- that's called a translator view. This is what the person sees, who translate the plugin, but is maintainer, can basically switch from crowdsourcing to proofreading.

C

This is where I prove what people submitted so can basically encapsulate the interrogate part and do the entire thing here. So people who translate things don't need to go to github and respond to pull requests. If I have, if I request changes, for example,.

A

ah Okay, so that this request.

C

A

Right, okay! So here, though, if if I request changes from the github pull request, it may not be visible in crowdin, but if I do the give my feedback through crowdin, then they see it as a as a contributor yeah.

C

Okay, I mean you can still do it on github, but it would be easier to do that crowding because the people are already using crowding. So let's keep them here yeah. This is the string. I just just translated click to send a timeline event. This is what I proposed from the machine translation. This is actually quite accurate and I would say: okay, that's fine. We approve this yeah, okay, ignore line endings for now, but yeah. This is basically done and this string is done.

C

So if I go back to crowdsourcing and let's show only things to do so, these are the only strings left. I can basically filter out all things that are already translated, so people don't translate things twice, thrice and so on, but you can always like. Oh, this is already translated and already approved, but you can comment on it and say hey. This is not right. This sounds wrong. The grammar is wrong. There's a spelling mistake: let's go over it again.

C

So, like you would a review a pull request on github. You would basically do it here on crowden.

A

And crowdin is taking the existing translation and presenting it to you as a contributor. So it's so, for instance, the last console translation. That's visible now had been translated previously and was extracted from the source code. You mean the machine translations, no, no, the the actual. So, let's, let's take console console or let's, let's forgive my butchery of german label console or last console in german, that german language translation came from the properties file in the github repository.

A

C

I would like to show as well how to integrate it or how I set it up is that that would be mostly like for maintainers. Let's quit the editor for now.

C

So this is like the management tab of the thingies integration project. This is what the maintainer could see if they set up their project.

C

Currently, I can view everything, because I own the organization, but with incredible you can also find grain permissions and con index and control who can access, which part, like you do on github with repositories so currently uh project settings no system. These are all the applications you can integrate with crowdin.

C

I have that we are currently on github, and this is the repository yeah we are currently. We have currently integrated the master branch. I mean you can indicate any bench. You can have a dedicated translation branch.

A

But yeah so now I'm not quite understanding what what does this repository represent? So the it's not your plugin being translated. Is this a separate working repository? I'm not sure what what the github repository here is representing.

C

The github repository is representing the.

A

C

A

Okay, that is okay when it says jenkins crowd in enterprise integration, that is the source code for the plugin yeah.

C

It's actually a background of that, like with all git history, just outsourced on my private account, so I don't have to mess with in jenkins with it yeah. So, basically, that's how you integrate it. You can define any branch, for example the master branch which I yeah. Currently I set up push sources. That means, if you make a change it, it's pushed to a pull request on github, but you can also set it up late say like hey.

C

I want to sync it every hour, then it's getting hourly, for example, yeah I mean quality assurance settings is like where you can define on which base the pull request is created, for example, yeah prone to asian character. Setting special characters spell checker only if I currently tick all, and only if all conditions are met. A pull request is proposed so like, if someone inserts something that doesn't match my expectations, no pull request is open.

C

There you have like a lot of configuration options here, a whole extensive api. You could create a repository through like similar. It's done with a, I think, the repository permission updater, which adds cd credentials to your repository.

C

You, for example, could integrate a cloudant api and create a project repository if a plugin, author or maintainer opt in for that. It was my idea how you could integrate into jenkins without to do everything yourself.

A

So so the the integration for you as a user. The workspace here would have one entry in the workspace per repository for jenkins repository to which you were contributing translations. So there might be one for core and one for each plug-in that you were contributing to. Is that correct?.

C

A

C

Way I set it up would be a bit messy on jenkins because I mean currently, I have only two projects using this instance, but if you have like hundred, that would definitely be a bit messy, but you can also create- I mean not a individual project, but you can also get a group and group projects together.

C

Okay, I didn't do that here, because this is only one repository and would look a bit weird, but you could say: let's create a group, and I have an api, a library and a another plugin consuming the api group them all into one, and we display only one thing here:.

A

Okay, so I could I could conceivably I manny, I maintain six or seven plugins and I work on core. I could create a group that would represent the plugins. I maintained and I might create another group that and then it would only present one here and then, when I expand it, I would see all seven of the repositories that kind of thing yeah.

C

For example, I mean it doesn't matter how you create, if you, let's, if you name the group, my git plugins, and have a several git plugins in there or filter it by your git name, at least like grouping things together, I see all right yeah I mean another thing is like how to actually log into grout into crowden. Like do I need to create a space, and you account for that as also think of an interesting question, but currently I have set up authentication.

C

No. That is the wrong thing.

C

Currently, I have set up authentication via github, so I don't need to create an account on current at all and your typical email username. If someone wants to sign up here, I'm I I'm signed in currently with oauth from github.

C

So I have then, because I'm a organization owner of this organization here I automatically have all permissions, so I didn't need to set up anything for me.

A

So so crowdin and I see the url is crowdin.com, so they are hosting this service and they're, offering it at no charge to open source projects.

C

Yes, wow, okay, the only thing you have really have to do is like. If you create a project, the product must be open, source must follow a license, and so on, like basic things that are already enforced in jenkins.

A

Yeah, so mit license is certainly permissive enough for them and jenkins.

C

Is all open source? I think I think any approved open source license is possible here, but the most things plugins are under mit. So it shouldn't be an issue here and even if you don't have mit, they have a whole extensive list of licenses. They support. Okay,.

A

So now, when, when another user wants to contribute a localization to your plugin, let's say I want to contribute an italian translation. Okay, I'm not no, no italiano.

A

So let's say I wanted to contribute an italian translation, um so I would log in and somehow I would see your repository or could attempt to contribute to it. Or would I create my own project like you've done and then it would somehow submit to the upstream upstream um repository that I forked.

C

I mean if you want to contribute italian to my language, to my thing, that is clearly not possible because I've only enabled german okay. If you take a look at target languages, we have a quite extensive list of supported languages here.

C

So, if you say mark wants italian okay, let's say italian update and we have italian here and you could get ahead and enable this one. I currently have only enabled german for demonstration purposes. Like you saw the list there, several hundreds of languages, you can actually contribute.

A

And now you as a maintainer, are choosing which languages you will accept into the plugin.

C

Oh yeah, I mean okay that way, I'm handling it for a few other repositories like if there is demand and someone says hey, I would like to contribute language this one. Could you enable it, then I go ahead and enable it, because if you have a list of like 200 languages, it might be a bit too much to find your language.

A

Well, and if I don't have a contributor, I don't know why I would want a language enabled until they ask, for it so is, as an example, is traditional chinese available as a language.

C

Target languages.

A

C

Chinese traditional okay.

A

Great excellent, okay, so so we've got. We've got some contributors in taiwan who want to contribute who are contributing chinese, so try portuguese as well as portuguese available. I assume it is, or brazilian portuguese it is, and even better brazilian portuguese okay, you can even enable both ones and.

C

Say now we have portuguese and brazilian one ptp rnpt.

C

Excellent yeah, currently I'm handing it like that that I enable translations if there is demand to add one, because in the end I still have to review it and look over them and merge the prs. So it wouldn't make much sense to enable 200 languages. Nobody contributes to them.

C

Yeah another thing that also works quite well is that the I think this is the I don't know how the file is named. There is a file, the jenkins root directory that translates things something in pearl, written.

A

Oh, oh translation tool, dot, pl, yeah.

C

Right, I think I saw there are a few pr's to that which generates.

C

If I I think it generates strings that look like that, one right, yeah. Basically, these are omitted. If you remember the string from a few minutes ago,.

C

That would be this. One click to center timeline on event that would be the string is spelled in a more human, readable language rather than having slashes.

A

In between oh, oh, but right right, I see what you're saying your point is that well see for me, the translation tool, the pearl translation tool is, is much much more primitive than a web interface that you're presenting even for people who do development all the time. They will generally put things into a web interface like that much more comfortably than into into a properties file. Yeah.

C

I mean you can, if you have already translated files from your plugin in different language, you can also upload them on crowd and, like you, don't need to translate everything over and over again.

C

That would be much pointless, but, for example, for things for strings like that, one or if you have some html in that or if you have variables in them coding, is smart enough and figures that out, for example, these are the variables which are automatically highlighted and it says, do not translate variables.

C

So, if I say started by user uh only this one and I leave out one and the other zero. It complains because I'm missing it out.

A

Okay, so it's doing it's doing sanity checking yeah of of my did. Did I consume all the arguments? Yeah.

C

That's what I enabled in the quality tap on the manage repository in crowden, so I mean you can save it anyway, but you get one if you for miss an argument same the same applies to the yeah here. One.

C

Okay, I can also click on it and have it all right here, so it basically doesn't something of sanity checking. If I leave out arguments yeah I mean you can define your own arguments with protein as well, but I didn't do that here. It picked up this one on its own.

A

And, and what is your perception, I'm very impressed by the machine translation as an as a native german speaker? What's been your perception of their machine translation? Are they generally, oh, okay, so they're generally workable? I mean context-wise.

C

They all say the same, just if just different grammar and just different words- I mean this means. This is actually something I learned from core started by user. That's the url where it leads to, and that says the username.

C

This is actually a string from chord, that's not in the plugin. This is just what I took to present that it actually worked with this.

B

C

That one would work that one would work that one would work and that one would work as well. These are the machine translation generated by crowdin's word database and actually understands what's going on here, because these are all quite accurate. I would say we go with this one, because this is the same tense as this one.

C

This would be a.

A

Tense, so they they offered different verb tenses for you and you as a german speaker. I I recognize the word benutzer, but the others and verb tenses in german are certainly completely unfamiliar to me.

C

Yeah, that would be the user. If you go with this one, you can click save on it and I'm already done with it yeah yeah. This is, and if I click on it again, I can see who translated, which string this is my translation from my user and everything can see who contributed, which string to the crowding project somewhat of a git history, just just with all the good part.

A

Excellent, so so I've got I've got some lower volume plug-ins that I think I want to attempt this with just to get a sense of it and and those lower volume plug-ins. Would you be willing to act, as my native german speaker, possibly contributing a translator, translation to the platform labeler? For example, it's got maybe 20 strings okay. That would help me at least get explore it, because this, ultimately we would have.

A

If every jenkins plug-in opt-in, we would have a thousand plus repositories, but even if it was just jenkins core and the top 200 plug-ins, that would seem like still a very a very attractive way to approach localization to approach approach, translation of properties of messages, yeah.

C

I think currently we have in this repository. I think this one doesn't have as many words as others yeah. This one has only 80 words. That's not a lot if you have projects with several thousand words, for example this one I have seventy thousand words to translate in six and thirty six languages by several hundred contributors.

C

You definitely have people like proofreader who, who frequently check in and read over what people submit a proofreader would be something like a pull request. Reviewer just in crowden.

A

Okay, so so are you willing to open up fast async for a quick conversation about that? So so there are multiple roles and multiple layers of contribution that people can do where they could. They cannot just submit translations. They could review and comment on the translations of others.

C

Yeah, for example, these are the languages. I think that are the 20 basic languages. Crowden enables automatically if you select no languages, but let's say the blue bar is what you translate. Yeah also sent there, and the green bar is what is approved.

C

For example, let's take part of the german thing. Oh.

A

Yes, okay, so this is one that needs there is some yet to be approved. Yeah.

C

Okay, currently 70 000, almost 80 000 strings are translated. Those are 100 and therefore 12 are approved.

A

So if you were to contribute to this, you would just open it up and you could offer your your your feedback on on proposed translations yeah.

C

I could go, I think this we have several strings, so that would be this one, for example, uh not crowdsourcing. We want to proofread, we want some feedback on yeah could not find edit summary for inputs.

C

That would be the appropriate german string that is proposed by this user seven months ago, and if I'm fine with it, I would basically say yep, that's fine and on below. I can also see the machine translations from crowd that for this string and just hear this yeah go on no.

B

Go ahead. Excuse me: okay,.

C

This one is an interesting one, because we have a redwater and the green one. This is green and because this is an edited string from the repository on github, I updated the local here and crowley noticed that fetched it and proposed a somewhat of git history, because this is the old string and this is the new string.

C

So we can also see if someone edits the edits the root strings here. Yeah, okay,.

A

So so that that text on the right is hinting to you, someone in the github repository made a change that was probably not directly under control of crowding, and this is trying to resolve. That change. Is that what it's hinting.

C

It's not trying to solve it. It's just not defying me that this translation could not be up to date with this string anymore, ah because I reported translation from seven months ago this uh this one was two months ago, and I changed changed the messages five months ago that this string could not match this anymore, but this doesn't apply here, so I have proved it still. Okay,.

A

C

Yeah- and this is the sanity checking you made before, for example, we have a spell check failure here, because gordon doesn't actually know the word, because that's the name of the repository it's coming coming from makes sense, and here we say here: first letters are not capitalized the same way yeah that used to apply, but that doesn't apply anymore because nbt is uppercased here and mbt is lowercased here.

A

Yeah now and now, okay, so that one that one is a little bit surprising, I'm not sure, is nbt an acronym on the left and I'm used to almost everything being capitalized all the time in german. So that's no shock to me that sorry, that's a terrible american's way of phrasing. How I observe german! So no.

C

In german, you are capitalizing nouns and names, and so right yeah, but I mean for sake of reference, I would say we go with the uppercase one, because that is how it's actually called in this in the source code, and this is just a failure in the translation when I wrote it yeah so I'll, go ahead and and approve this but correct this one in the source strings as well.

A

Oh, oh, so what you've done here is you've detected an english language mistake, yeah and- and you fix it in the german, because the translation should be correct, but then you need to go back and also adjust it in the english language. In the original string.

C

Yeah, I see I don't I don't adjust it in the english language, I just in the source, language which current applies to all languages. I have enabled in the project.

A

C

Yeah but basically everything else like you can see argument. Detection is fine. It doesn't complain here. Spare check fails here, because the world behind, where this lower case would be uppercase in german yeah would be up would be uppercase in german, so it complains.

A

And that's because it's a noun because it's a german, it's a german noun.

C

A

C

I'm currently in the proofreading view I mean I could comment on it and say: hey, let's uppercases, but I could also go ahead and quickly fix it.

A

And that's it excellent. Thank you. Now I see that zenob's raised her hand. She has a questions. You know what what question did you have.

B

Yeah, um thank you. So uh my question is relating to updates. So I know um in this scenario he explained that if someone actually submits a suggestion for language and it's updated after so what, if you've already approved this and sometime in the future, there's no request or anything to or to translate that string, but the string is updated in the source repository.

B

Do you still just get a notification that there has been an update to some strings that has been translated before using this or like? Is there a kind of sync.

C

So you're asking how to deal with previous previous contributions like on github via pull requests, how to deal with that.

A

I think our question was was previously. The message was: uh do this then do that and now it's do that and then do this. So it's changed. Oh! So, if the root message changes yes,.

C

So the root message has been modified.

A

C

That presented.

A

C

Yeah I mean, if you are contributing to your repository, you actually get. I need to get out of this view. First, you get notifications if things change if strings are added.

C

Basically, these are all email notifications for me, because I'm project maintainer, but if I would be a regular user, I would get a notification that a string has changed that a string has been added and yeah.

C

Okay, so you can go back on it and reapply your changes and update the updated string.

A

So as a as a contributor, I'm in my world, I'm a I'm a native speaker of a language, let's say italian and I then receive email periodically. Hey these projects that you're supporting have changed some messages. Would you like to update their translations? Is that the the how it feels.

C

Yeah, I currently don't have such an email, but you basically also get notification on currently that news either and your strings are added or that strings are updated like on github. You get a, for example, an email for a commit that can your commit has been pushed here. You would get an email. The string has been updated.

A

Excellent. Thank you. Yeah.

A

So alex, I think next step for me is I want to enable this for a few repositories and do some some, what I call lightweight tests with you or with you, and maybe one or two other native speakers. I happen to know some french native speakers, so I would love to have a german native speaker, like you, a french native speaker and and see how the how the interaction works both for me as a maintainer and for my my french-speaking translators to say.

A

Oh, I like that better than the old way of doing it, because we had some great french translations submitted as part of hacktoberfest, but they did it all. I think the old way right they didn't get to use crowd in, and I would I would love to hear their feedback on hey crowdin made it this much easier or no. I was faster doing it. The old way.

C

Yeah, that sounds interesting I mean currently, I just showed the way to go for a translator, not the way to set it up, because I think the way to set it up is definitely not something that is set in stone. You could, for example, do it through the cloudants web ui like I showed before, go ahead and go via the github button integrated via the repository, but you can also go ahead and integrate it via api calls. I mean it is all possible.

A

Well, but if I did for me, part of the attraction is using crowdin's web interface, I'm not sure what would what would motivate me not to use crowdin's web interface that looks like it's it's very effective, very smooth and your user experience seems to be very positive in being able to contribute german language strings. That's.

C

For sure I mean one point when to not use interface when not to use the web interface would be like, for example, you have many repositories to add to manage and so on. For example, if you have several hundred repositories on the jenkins project on crowded, it would be much more feasible to update repository. Maintain us approve readers via the api. Then do it by hand.

A

I see okay, that makes sense right. So so, if we, if we develop the concept of french, french, french reviewers and german language reviewers, we would probably have enough people there that we wouldn't want to maintain that manual. We'd, want that maintained as code yeah and then.

C

We would use the.

A

C

I mean the repository commission updater does somewhat of that there's some sort of automation on that, because you don't want to add people manually to the.

B

Teams on github.

C

You do it via the irc board, if I remember correctly, so you would do something similar here. I mean for me, as a translator obviously would prefer the web interface, but for a management aspect. I think the api would obviously be easier to handle translations like adding people, removing people updating repository access yeah, but the integration from the web ui is pretty much straightforward. You would select here at a new repository.

C

Yeah, I think this: could it always loads a bit because I'm already locked in with my github oauth, so it's against my entire github account up of private public repositories, and then I can select the repository here. I could use all the web interface. I don't need github here.

A

And- and so this now in terms of, should this be done to my fork or to the jenkins repository, and I assume it should be done to the jenkins ci repository rather than to my fork? Is that correct? Yes,.

C

Okay, the base repository you choose here is the base repository the pr is filed against. So if you choose your fork, you have on your fork and would need to pr back to jenkins.

C

But if you just pick the jenkins repository like I did with this one on my uh account, you have the pr straight on your jenkins repository.

C

I think that would be the way to go. Yeah right now, I'm already logged into my type account. I could select any repository here and also organization repositories.

C

Then I would set up the branches below which branch we should file the pr against that would be master or the default branch. That's basically it, and if I click save, github crowdin pushes crowden.ymlphy to the repository which uses it for detection. This is the rejects I'm using for the source file. This is a translation file, for example. This is my folder structure and- and I want to include all properties file from here.

C

I have this one and the translation path is again this file, but the file name it chooses from above the two letter, codes, tone and crowdin dot properties.

C

You can customize it here too, but you can do it also in web ui. This file just helps crowling to integrate your project and that's it. It doesn't pollute your project with anything. It just needs this one file in the root repository and if it files a pr that would be new chrome updates, because I didn't update it from this branch. That's the default translation branch and we have all the german commits we just did now.

C

The way I set it up is to propose any language you translate. Even if the language is untranslated, it does still file the pr, but you can configure configure it to only propose a pr if there is a translation in the file to not have these.

A

ah Okay yeah, so so the example that's on screen right now is showing. What I would assume is is not a healthy thing. It's offering it's allegedly showing german, but in fact it's used. The english words yeah.

C

This is just a pr under the column header underscore de properties like indicating it would be german, but it is actually english and a bare copy of the source string, because I didn't configure it differently, but obviously I think the better way to configure it would be to say, hey just open my pr. If we have a translation here and already open apr, if there's nothing yeah and I would basically label it, go ahead and merge it. And then I have these files in the folder structure, probably scratch it but yeah.

C

And then I canceled my plugin.

A

And it created those files for you, so column.properties did not exist previously for the german and it created them as part of the pull request.

C

Yeah, uh let's go back to the project home, actually, the public page and german. It does only show the source files like I've, only columnar properties in column, header properties here, but if I edit these files, if I edit these files and save them, it creates these files in apr. According to my file pattern here, I see. Okay, the file name is the name of the file from before, and the two letters to letters code is the language I translate to.

C

There are plenty of other places you can name, but this is the file for my jenkins uses. So I just went with this one.

A

And and that syntax, when it says two letters code, it really means whatever the internationalization code is. So the fact that brazilian portuguese is actually four or more letters is not a problem. If that's just a variable name that we see there yeah, that's just a variable. I think excellent wow.

A

Alex, I think, you're going to be invited to offer some german translation for something this. This is. I am thoroughly impressed yeah and.

C

This is definitely a better way to then going via github pull requests. If you have no knowledge about git or github, for example, because you basically don't need it, you can just go ahead. Perform some translations likely engage with the proofreaders if they have a recommendation, how to make things different and that's it. You basically don't work with git or github at all.

C

If I remember correctly, there was one concern on the mailing list that someone said that license headers would be omitted, but that actually doesn't apply like we can see in my update pr, the license setters are untouched.

A

Okay, so so it retains the license from the original root file yeah, where it copied the the license from the root file. Yes, wow.

C

Like you saw my current demonstration, these things also don't occur anywhere in the translation and not shown at all to the translator, because they don't basically matter here, but if you have them in the root translation file, they are also added to the translation file for the language. The pr targets.

A

That that that looks very impressive to me. Thank you, alex thanks very much.

C

Yeah no problem glad to be here.

A

Thank you. So it feels like next steps are more experiments and we'll we'll address it now next week, I'm out so we won't do office hours next week for doc's office hours, but in two weeks we could potentially have have some initial checks on this kind of thing to see hey. How did it go and and the experiment with other plugins nice? Thank you. You.

C

Could try to set up your note label parameter plugin? If I think it's called like that.

A

Yes, yes, that's.

C

And that's how to integrate it into cloud and from a maintainer aspect with a web ui right. You.

A

Can see how to set it up properly yeah, so so node label parameter is a little more challenging for me because I'm a little less familiar with it. But yes, something like that platform label is one I'm very familiar with, but node label parameter yes and and any one of those I'm hesitant to do git plug-in right now, just because of how many people use it, but but once we've seen it work well with the smaller plug-in, I'm I'm open to that yeah for sure alex.

A

Thank you thanks very much anything else that you wanted to highlight for us here. Well, that's basically it I think we went over.

C

The user aspect much here.

A

All right well, so this is because we've got a recording of it, I'll post the recording and encourage people to to look at it. I'll set some bookmarks, so they can start with already jump right into your demo portion and we'll start the conversation on community.jenkins.io about the topic. Excellent. This is great, we'll we're going to reuse this. The recording of this to do more conversations about how should we do translation better in the project. Thank you.

A

All right alex, if there's nothing else, I wanted to steal. We've got about eight minutes left before we run out of time here you, okay, if I take back screen sharing and we look at other topics for sure.

A

So zenob and elizabeth you had topics the troubleshooting pr anything else on at znob that we want to. We want to worry about there or just that. It needs to be reviewed.

C

No, nothing else.

A

B

A

All right so then the next one was elizabeth. You had questions with regard to insur internships. Could you share with us you had highlighted before we started the recording of the meeting, some of the things that are going on in your boot camp? Would you be willing, elizabeth to tell us a little bit more about the boot camp you're running and and help us understand that.

D

I am thank you very much good evening and everyone, so um basically, the boots camp and the boot camp is a woman in tech boots camp and we had um 600 applicants and we selected 319 girls in various technical fields which um includes front end. Web dev back end web dev data, science, digital marketing, product design, blockchain um and nfcs yeah. So those these are the tracks so and these girls are actually from six different countries we have from um us from london. We have from um ghana, cote d'ivoire, nairobi and nigeria.

D

So these are the countries that these girls does. This participants are from so what we are trying to do now, because the boot camp is for six weeks and after this six weeks, I do not just want these girls to just go like that, so I want them to gain um hands-on experience on life projects and working and what it feels like to work with a team and work in an organization or a company.

D

So this is um um I'm actually seeking for internships for these girls and if not, every one of them at least a number of them. So um I don't know how possible this could be, um and I am also open to suggestions and partnerships regarding this. Thank you.

A

Thanks, okay, so so the you've got a group of of women from we're interested in tech from multiple countries that are are in or have completed this six-week camp on various topics.

D

A

Sorry go ahead.

D

All right, so the boot camp is currently going um ongoing. This is the third week and it's for six weeks, so they have three weeks more to go before the boots camp finishes. It's a six weeks training and it's federal. It's online.

A

Great okay, excellent.

A

And then now the the idea, then was: how could we help them know identify where they go next in terms of their experiences, they're, exploring.

A

So they want to gain more experience here. We've got it right there and, and one way could be open source project involvement right.

D

A

uh The challenge for me, there is okay, funding is best, but does your organization have a way to? I assume that these women paid something in order to join the camp, or is that that they are chosen, and then you fund them, while they, while they're part of the camp.

D

Okay, so um the thing is my organization: what we are um we have a goal and our goal is to get as many women as possible into the tech world, so we do not collect a dime for anybody. Nobody pays for um anything, so this training is literally very free, so I, um for now I am actually pay the like not pay.

D

I give them stipends to the current facilitators and the volunteers that work with me, because currently I have not gotten any sponsors yet so I pay for my pockets, yeah and I'm doing I'm doing this out of passion and I feel like subsequently I'll get sponsors.

D

So these girls do not pay a dime at all and even before the boots campaign commences, there is usually um a contract that everybody signs and um in that contract it is clearly stated that you are not to pay any money to um anybody and if any member of um the team access and asks for money, you should reach out to um either myself or the programs manager. So it's totally free. It's entirely free.

A

Excellent, okay, so what you're? What you're saying is you're, providing free training to these people who participate in the camp and you've you've warned them you've alerted them. If anyone attempts to ask you for money as part of this program, you reject them immediately and report to the report to the sponsors of the camp. Okay, all right.

A

Okay, so that that is fascinating.

A

Okay, so then, then the ideas might be okay, we could we could certainly offer, for instance. Well, let's see I mean yeah. Are you okay, elizabeth? If I give this some thought and we bring it for future conversation, because I think this needs some need some more exploring about. Okay, are there ways we could we could ask people to to fund the program you're running right? Are there ways we could ask organizations?

A

Are there ways we could we could persuade jenkins contributors to to help in some way with with the presentations you do to to them? For instance, back end, this is a very jenkins thing right, very much front end. Not so much you can ask alex how we're not so great on front end. All the time he's he's bringing us into the modern world with front end, but but the front end is is jenkins, is jenkins, is not super strong in front end, just so we're clear.

A

Interesting well, elizabeth, thank you for sharing that. uh Would you be okay? If we could carry this as a topic to be reviewed in two weeks.

E

Sure it's fine! Thank you very much for constructing that's the topic.

A

Excellent. Thank you very.

B

A

Oh yes, gina go ahead.

B

Yeah, I just wanted to say that hope jenkins is doing something about the front end part.

A

Hey wait a second what kind? Yes! Yes, we are very much so well alex and jan ferrachik and tim jacom, and now I've I've got I've enlisted one more person, um adrian le charpentier and several others that we hope are all going to be helping with with getting better on the front end. I'm not not disputing that. We have lots of work to there good points. You know.

B

All right, that's that's better!.

D

Also um also matt, I remember that during one of our meetings that we had um in january xenops said something about us delving em into products, product management, product design- I don't know if you can actually remember.

A

D

Okay, because I'm not really um about it, although I've not been attending meetings to go, I just thought to ask and that I am actually one of the courses that these girls are currently taking product design.

A

And and that's yeah so so the design world is is is not certainly not my strength but but I I think there are certainly.

A

There are certainly interesting people and people who are interested in design and how systems behave. How products behave over web pages. That kind of thing.

A

So so I'd propose we'd defer that topic as well, just because I'm running out of time now, but but I think it's a good topic and elizabeth, let's bring it up in two weeks when we meet again.

E

A

All right everyone! Thank you very much sorry to have to end on on this note. I I'm just out of time no problem recording will be posted, probably within the next 24 to 48 hours and we'll start the discussions on community.jenkins.io thanks. Everybody.

B

All right, bye.