Jenkins Google Summer of Code Office Hours, 12 Apr 2021

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Regular Google Summer of Code meeting with a Q&A by students. Agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit?usp=sharing

A

All right welcome everybody. This is google summer of code office hours. uh The intent here is to let you ask questions uh reminder from the outset. We follow the jenkins code of conduct, be nice to each other, be kind, be decent, etc. So what questions do you.

B

Have hello, and um thanks for this year uh summer of course again- and I want to say thanks for the- uh I also got the previous year- uh some breads and brands and stuff yeah. uh My question is the following, um as as far as I understood this year, google is the time requirement.

B

Am I right that uh uh I need to work on my project at least 10 hours a week or less? Could you please clarify.

A

I believe that I believe the documents say that they're expecting over the course of two months 175 hours, and so let's see, let's work that out- that I think that works to roughly 20 hours a week a week rather than 10 hours a week, but it's significantly less than their expectation in prior years, where I think their expectation was three months of 40 hours a week.

A

So so I believe it's it's roughly half time and the number I had heard was 175 across a two-month project plus community bonding.

A

So so now alex I let's maybe what we should do is let's look at the document from google.

B

uh I think you're right, I I I saw it- I just did not calculate it properly for this kind of thing yeah. I have this time and.

B

I have interesting question actually will like like this uh on the project which I'm applying to, I probably need some in for expanding it. I probably need to access uh to the public clouds like microsoft, azure and gcp, and that.

C

B

From amazon uh at the moment I set up, I I previously set up asia. I have some subscription student subscription. I will um I will work without with google but amazon I stuck with some. They need additional papers for students uh subscription or something to use. uh The question is.

B

Is community in some way could help with this kind of problem, if it, if it arrives,.

A

uh A good question, a very good question, so so I'm gonna, I'm gonna rephrase it back to you in forms that we've had in the past. We've had cases where we needed to document jenkins on kubernetes as an example as part of google season of docs and as part of that effort, we needed access to clouds to to kubernetes providers.

A

There so same thing here for google summer of code and what we did was we found the first preference was find: try try to use the donation from the from the cloud provider if you've got a if you can run a trial account. Great uh second was get a donation from from other organizations in.

A

In the specific example cloud b is donated, and third is we could ask the jenkins project itself from its budget to fund a portion of to fund the cloud expenses now oleg oleg has arrived and can give me guidance if I've given a bad answer in terms of what what about the cloud projects, the cloud-centered projects that are being proposed, they'll need cloud resources.

A

Oleg you want to give some guidance there. uh Half of the.

D

E

But generally the options you described once we have, so we don't expect students to pay for cloud resources for sure we will find a way, though it really depends on the amount, because one thing, if you just need a few virtual machines or a few containers for testing. But if you need a huge cluster to do whatever high performance, computations et cetera, it's completely different.

E

But if you talk about several hundreds or why southern dollars, of course, we can find a way.

B

uh Thanks for answering I mean what could you please estimate the probable time when I, for example, if I, if I make this kind of request when it will be available for me or for other students to use just.

E

Okay for the infrastructure- yeah, uh yes, so for that um we usually use community bonding time. So do you know how can you wanna create reach out to the teams and ask a few questions and we expect all teams to ensure that they have access to all the required infrastructure project permissions essentially before the coding starts, it means the infrastructure. Access would be one of the topics there.

B

Of great great okay,.

E

One month before coding uh period, for example during the application period. Well, it's a bit more complicated, especially since we have one week left.

B

Okay thanks. uh Actually, this is the question for everybody for other participants as well. I just opened the students registration form and I have a light blue sign around eligibility. So is it passed from the previous year or do? Could somebody tell me, uh is it the same for your or is it not the same.

E

You mean the blue side sign on the summary of this code.

B

Yeah yeah yeah uh someone.

E

I would recommend to contact the jsoc support team because we don't have access to the student view uh well, some of our mentors used to be students before, but, for example, in my case, I have no idea how this view looks like and pretty much the same for certificate of enrollment and other things.

E

So if you have a question about pharmacies and eligibility, you should really reach out to google somewhere, of course, support team because they make the final digit decision on that and they can provide information.

E

B

Okay: okay, that's all questions for now from me. Thank you.

F

And yeah four leg: um hi alec and uh yeah.

C

F

um And mark just um reviewed my bone friend. Can you please just have a look at it? That would be also great.

E

Yeah, it's basically the same as I said uh right a few minutes ago. It's something to discuss with the json support team, so.

C

What we verify.

E

And it's for students who study in the united states and who don't have a local residence permit or citizenship when we verify they permit to participate in jsok, because we know for fact that there is a pitfall there which we hit once three years ago or so. But all other eligibility conditions should be discussed with gsoft support.

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F

It's and then I will just um as soon as possible, I will submit it and wait for them response.

D

Okay, yeah right.

F

A

Now oh, like nevadita, had also had a question earlier on that I gave a a potentially flawed and inaccurate answer to so nivadita. Do you want to ask your question now.

H

Yeah hi oleg. I just want to confirm that instead of bonified can we submit our transcript, because transcript is also the proof that we are the university student.

E

I believe it's the same. So again we use the jinx project.

E

So we can take a look, but our answer wouldn't be a definite one. So please contact the json support team.

G

Okay, thank you.

E

Yeah, I know that eligibility is more complicated this year because they expanded the scope of eligible enrolments, including various bootcamps and other programs, so they will be like a lot of such questions this year, um yeah most likely they will update the guidelines based on the feedback, but uh yeah. Please be patient with that, because it's just the first year when the current scope applies.

E

So in many cases it would be decided just based on my case by case.

C

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E

Eligible to participate in joystock as well as a student, by the way, probably, I should reconsider my.

E

Plans, no, I won't, but.

D

I didn't didn't know you were at a university. That's great, that's cool! I! Well! I do some courses, yes, which.

E

Also makes me eligible this year or marky he's doing commercial learning courses uh so he's.

C

E

To become jesus there, you.

C

E

Ellen white.

A

Any any other questions.

B

Yes, there is another one, I'm just stated so the project which I'm applying to is uh on the umbrella of uh uh the guys from virtuslap mainly and there is there- is uh yes mentors from there.

B

What do you think should I invite them in regular jenkins meeting or tomorrow will be the additional meeting among the team which I'm going to participate, but should I invite them here as well or did do they know about this, and maybe.

E

They have time, I don't know.

B

About that meeting.

E

At the same time, our mentors are not required to participate in this meeting. This meeting is office hours for those who are interested, but the main communication channel size and finance ones like chats and american keys, so specifically about jinx kubernetes, separator uh yeah. There is the meeting you mentioned uh tomorrow. Hopefully it will happen and if anyone else is interested to participate, uh it's a great opportunity to discuss that. Also, there is a cloud native uh special interest group meeting happening on fridays and they will also have representatives from the junkies and separators project.

E

B

uh So uh I, like you, uh so this cloud jenkins meeting uh uh it stated in uh all meeting boards right, so I could sign up for this without.

E

B

Problem if I need okay, thank you.

E

Yeah, so jen can sayo slash events there. You can find it in calendar with well the most of our meetings.

F

Oleg, um I have a question regarding the comment that you leave in my proposal for um cloud events for jenkins, so in there that you stated that, for the listening of for cloud events you said would be nicer to expand the section bit more. So what I particularly I mean, what should I I mean what you are expecting. Can you please elaborate much.

E

Yeah, so when we talk about events or messaging.

C

E

Question is actually about the information you are going to pass, because sending an event like bill started is definitely not enough for external system to process this event. You would need, for example, to pass build name, maybe build id, maybe some additional information and pretty much the same for any other event in the system, so just uh defining a name on the event.

E

It's a good start, but it makes sense to actually expand uh what data you would like to pass because in such cases well, firstly, you can think about the use cases for your integration, the second day yeah. You can just take a look at existing systems like afl and maybe get some inspiration from there.

F

Okay, okay, and so this is about the um a meeting part and what about listening part should I um currently what you said is about listening a meeting part right, a meeting of cloud events, so you said, explain much more about the data period, how it's going to look like, and you know, and but what should? I then um expand more about the listening part. You said there is a comment from you on that, so it's similar is like um I. How can I how I'm going to proceed that payload?

F

Is it that's what I'm I need to expand on that to trigger any particular job? Is it.

E

Yeah again, it depends on use cases because, in your case, if I recall your proposal correctly, you defined two parts so, firstly, jenkins sending cloud events and, secondly, reacting to cloud events.

E

So you would need to expand both parts in such case and you're gonna work with garrett usb path to define what is would be the expected interface and yeah. My recommendation would be to start from the use cases.

E

Okay, because from that you can define interfaces.

F

Yeah, okay, I'll even I looked into the static gather plug-in. I take the inspiration from there for the emitting part yeah, okay, yeah. Thank you. Thanks a.

A

A

You mentioned in the in the chat that you're looking for feedback on your proposal. um I'm not sure that I've seen that proposal has it been. Has a link been posted to it in the gsoc sig uh gitter channel, and if not, could you post it there.

H

Yeah I posted in gsoc channel and even in uh google resolved.

A

Great, thank you. Okay and, and the topic of your proposal was it cloud. Events was it which was which specific area I'm trying to check to see. If it's something that I could actually do a review on and feel like, I was credible or if we need to have others do that.

H

Yeah, it's it's on cloud events plug-in for jenkins.

A

Super thank you.

H

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E

So yeah regarding the proposals, what we were doing during the last years, uh we as orca means uh create the google doc with the list of all proposal drafts submitted by students so that we could process and track the status because yeah, what sometimes happens, the dogs get lost in the threads, and now we just have one week left until the application deadline.

E

So maybe just having this list would be a good improvement.

A

Would you like me to start that kind of a document? Oh, like I that's a good idea. I don't know why. I didn't think of that before I sh clearly should have.

E

Well, uh we discussed it with kara but uh yeah. If you want to start that just do that.

D

E

D

Think it's currently.

E

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B

I just remember one small question: uh there was some specific channel from cd foundation which requires special email address. Is there any success with that's excellent.

E

Success, actually, I spent some time on monday to figure it out. So if you go to just a second, I will share the link in the chat, but here we figured it out so now you can join with any email and it has been verified.

E

So just second yeah check the link in the chat. I will duplicate it in the guitar.

B

A

Much yeah and- and I can reiterate, oleg's right- we just had several several contributors arrive for a different project that we're able to successfully register with the cdf slack channel. So it's.

C

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E

Any infrastructure issues like that, just let us know, because we don't always know about them- we registered in the cdf like two years ago, and we haven't seen this update so any issue, just let us know, and we will figure it out.

F

uh I have a question regarding the proposals.

F

Yeah, so this year, uh jenkins is under the umbrella of cdf, so like whatever the format we have given. As for the proposals like, is it okay or do we have to mention also mention that it is for uh cdf or anything like that.

E

Now you don't have to mention that when you apply to gsoc, you apply to a specific organization, so.

C

You will need.

E

To submit your proposal draft to the continuous delivery foundation and then work admins will root it properly to mentors, etc. So there is some yet to be discovered process how we, for example, balance projects between.

E

Participants, because there are multiple cdf projects participating under the same improvement, but for students you just apply and the rest is forced to handle.

F

All right, okay, thank you.

E

Yeah also note that yeah, there are multiple.

E

uh So if I recall correctly this year, every student can submit three different proposals and what you should keep in mind that these three different proposals can be to a single organization or to multiple organizations.

E

So, for example, if you want to apply let's say to jenkins and to stick some project, it's possible auto jenkins and spinaker, or maybe to drink it's a different organization, it's also possible. So even if you apply to cdf you're, not limited to a plan just for jenkins, you can choose your options yeah.

E

If you want to spend them on multiple.

B

Proposals: okay, regarding regarding some proposal stuff, I have small question like, uh should, I add additional information, what is actually uh jenkins operator and how it's working like take some information from where to slap, presentations and so on.

B

I I actually don't know, what's what's what's actually the size in.

C

In shit's approximate.

B

E

uh There is no specific site requires again. The main purpose of this uh project proposal is uh to communicate the idea you have deliverables, you plan on to deliver an approximate timeline and yeah, showing uh potential mentors your expertise and that you are capable of delivering on this project again.

E

There is no specific size, though, if you take a look at the template, it's likely something like at least two pages, and we definitely don't recommend spending too much time because yeah, I guess the biggest proposal we had was about 40 pages and I'm not sure that any mentor except me managed to read it entirely but yeah. So just you don't have to spend too much time and.

E

On the paper, because, if you want you can example, experiment with code use, some prototypes etc is more important than just text, and you don't have to provide full specification et cetera, because for that there will be community funding and coding phases.

E

So just yeah. Your goal is to basically show that you know what to work on, to show the community value of it and to prove that you can deliver on this project. Basically, that's.

E

It it answer your question.

I

Absolutely all right, can I ask you some questions. Yeah, I'm trying to I wrote a browser about the demoting monitoring.

I

Well, you re you. You make a review on my paper and you said uh I may I might shoot I might set up my programs with java agent because javascript can because it can enable mergering system to start up without connecting to masternodes so, but I think I like jenkins, because it has very good plug-in system and systematic can start up a new feature without any difficulties, but uh starting urgent with agent java agent is a little bit difficult for system admins. I think so. What do you think of? And uh do you do?

I

You know any other uh such kind of plugins? I mean uh to hug the startups phrase of the agent yeah so for.

E

Agents uh there are well uh okay, so just to explain uh my concern, which I communicated in the google doc. So when you want to monitor the agent, if you rely on the payload to be provided by jenkins, it means that you should connect to the system at least once.

C

E

um And yeah, in some cases it might be a problem. For example, in jenkins, there are two types of agents: one is outbound engines when jenkins initiates the connection. Another type is inbound agent. One agent connects to the jenkins controller and for the lottery type yeah until it connects. Basically, you won't be doing monitoring, because you cannot provide this data so well. You definitely use jenkins-based initialization.

E

There are some plugins which initiate functionality when connecting to agents, but actually not that much. You can take a look at the plugins like monitoring, plugin, so monitoring, plugin, basically wraps java melody java melody is jmx based monitoring, kpi, and it also does installation on the agent side. So it's probably the first plugin you would like to review okay uh but yeah again. I do not recall how how exactly it does the agent installation I just I'll, send you a link.

E

Is something you may want to review anyway, because it's basically already about monitoring of system resources etc, and it's quite a popular plugin.

I

Thanks so much and yeah, I know what what you concern about, but uh my um from my from my horrible experience. uh We use the monitoring system uh for uh time long term long term, a long time checking for the system. I mean the travis shooting right and first for the first connection is, uh is is responsible of the rogue systems or something like that and mulching system is, is uh not it's not suitable for uh checking uh to travel. Should the fast connection, so uh I mean it might be.

I

My is my fault, but I I I I think so what is this? What do you think? So what do you think of it? This.

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E

In technology there is really a different answer: there are might be different approaches and different approaches will have their own merits. So when you work on the proposal, basically what you can do you can make your own decision and justify that and that's your objective. So it doesn't it's not necessary that the mentors would totally agree with that and again it's something for discussion in later phases: okay, but we you make a proposal and if it's justified it's perfectly fine. For example, when I was working, I used.

E

Farmer with one in 2018, he was working actually again in remoting, but it was a remote ink of apache kafka and they we had some discussions because the original proposal was to use the message: bus, preferably a rabbit mq, because the mentors agreed that it would be the preferable solution.

E

But the student came up with a proposal to use apache kafka. He justified that and finally, it worked pretty well so yeah mentors they provide advice, they definitely provide some sanity check, etc. But if you feel strongly about a concrete technical decision feel free to do that, it doesn't have to be fully aligned with the project idea.

I

Okay, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to discuss with you more later thank.

E

E

So if you want to have special sessions about particular project ideas, we could organize them. I just send a message to the mailing list to the chat so that we make it happen.

I

Nice, thank you very.

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Are there any questions you would like to discuss.

C

E

Thanks a lot everyone again, if you have any questions, please don't wait until wednesday because wednesday it will be april 14th, so it will be beyond the application deadline and yeah all asynchronous chats available and if needed, we can organize additional sessions on the project basis.

A

Thanks everyone.

I

Thank you very much.