Jenkins Google Summer of Code Office Hours, 26 May 2022

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Welcome to GSoC Contributors and what to expect in the coming phase.

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I'm doing fine now, okay,.

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Yeah, no, I yes, it is.

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All right, good, hello, everybody good afternoon, good evening, good morning: okay, we're gonna, go ahead and get starts, given that it's it's it's it's time. So, thanks for joining our um jenkins google summer code, 2022 kickoff so glad to have everybody here.

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So all right, so we decided that might be help for us to get our thoughts together and put an agenda together. So on the agenda, we have congratulations and welcome to our gsoc contributors.

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Some upcoming milestone, a bonding period, checklist communication channels, weekly office hours and special interest groups, uh so congrats, and welcome to yumi uh dhiraj rushikesh, and thank you for doing your due diligence in providing exceptional proposals um to the jenkins project. We know that you have a lot of open source projects to choose from, but you chose jenkins.

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So thank you very much, um but I wanted to open this a couple minutes up for you guys uh to introduce yourselves. um Tell us one or two things about you that you'd like us to know so I'll start with yummy.

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Your name right.

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And I apologize yeah.

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Yes, that's correct, okay, oh so my name is my name is iming, so uh I'm a graduate student uh in carnegie, mellon university and my major is electrical and computer engineering.

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uh In my free time I like to play video games and writing some codes and anything anything else. I don't know.

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Okay, that sounds really interesting. Yeah.

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Thank you yeah just for for just to be sure. I I think I know the answer you're located on the us east coast. Is that correct?

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Yes, okay! So it's now middle of your day! No! The morning, yes correct, okay, I I I need to sort out the different time zones go ahead. Alisa.

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All right so uh next on the list, dirache.

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Hi everyone, my name is- and I'm extremely happy to be here so, first of all, thank you so much for giving us the opportunity, it's extremely amazing, to be part of this community and be able to uh contributing to this project.

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So if I tell you about myself, I'm currently working with red hat as associate software quality engineer- and I graduated last year and in my free time I like to go for a run and bike riding and I've also started going for hiking, so kind of trying to go outdoors, and I like to listen to new musics, new music and meeting new people.

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I love that the most so so extremely happy to be here. That's about me! Thank you. So much.

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Have you on board yeah uh rushikesh, it's rishikesh! I can't see hello.

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Hello, I'm I'm rishi this. I'm a computer science undergraduate.

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I would like to thank the mentors for giving me this opportunity to be part of you know jenkins gsoc 2022.

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uh In my free time I code uh I go out with my friends, I watch movies watch some tv shows. uh That's that's all about me. Thank you.

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Okay, nice, to have you here.

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Thanks rishikesh bihan.

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Hello, everyone- uh this is vihan and I am currently I have currently passed my sophomore year. I am a csc undergrad at iit indore and I live in pune maharashtra in my free time. I love to play music, so I am a singer and an instrumentalist.

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I love listening to music as well so typically 50s to 60s american music blues and country and jazz so yeah, I'm extremely happy to be a part of jenkins under google summer of food, and I'm optimistic that it will be a fun experience for all of us um yeah. Thank you for having me here.

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Great such a talented group so um welcome welcome to the jenkins family and we're super happy to have you all okay, so this part jean-marc or chris, would you like to take it from here.

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Chris, do you want to take it or do I take it.

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um I can do it. uh Okay, so put your mouse down.

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Next slide too yeah go ahead.

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Yeah, oh okay, okay, so um friday 20th, which is uh the past friday.

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We have started fighting periods which lasts three weeks, and the next milestone coming up is the sunday one on june 12, which is the end of the morning period, which is an important phase, because it means the next stage june 13th start coming phase one will start, and then um we will have to uh remind the mentors to remember like during phase one and phase one and then phase two as well, we'll have to estimate uh the evaluations, it's extremely important, because um whether the mentees we get stipends or not depends on whether we made like these evaluations on time.

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So it's important to remember one, the first time we have to do this, as the deadline is july 29th on friday and the second time it's um on september 19th.

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So those two important is to keep at the calendar, so conveys t will start up on july, 25th and on september 4th and after it's the not last week of coding. So our occurring is um starts from september 5th and it ends on the 12th of september and is always will be announced on september. 12Th for all jackson, sports, okay,.

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So next slide: okay, finally checklist, so we have some items. We have to check on the list for the money period, which um so we have the first one length of update project, detail, details of contributors on dragon's style. So uh jean-marx do you know like how do we locate the like which files to update.

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This is a very good uh point. I didn't prepare that. So the principle is that you do so. There is a placeholder for the project currently on jenkins.io and it's a pull request process so I'll, send uh and ask alissa to add to the meeting notes uh and the announcement on community.jenkins uh the link to the where in the source code is the project uh located, and so what you need to update.

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If you run into problems normally the mentors should be able to help and just shout, and we can help you what items need to be and I'll review or we'll. We will review the the the updates for the project, so exact link will be in the meeting notes.

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Yeah, okay, okay, cool the next point, checklist methods to guide contributors to become familiar with the contributing process which includes but not limited, to get workflow from beginning channels.

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um I would like to stress the importance of getting familiar with git, because, like this year we started late, so we we didn't have a lot of them like pull requests committed to get. So this is uh important to check out and the third point mentors to define the appropriate commission communications channels of contributors and clearly attacked such details on janken's project, page and vocabularies.

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I think we have two channels set up for for for now, but uh we need two more channels so um lisa jean-marc like uh do you guys, know the arrangement for the remaining two channels.

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For the communication channels, uh we have.

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A separate slide where we'll discuss the sub topic and see where we, where we're standing so, but the important thing is at the end of the period and as soon as possible. This must be settled and there's something that will will chase so we'll discuss it. Just after that.

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Okay, so uh mentors also need to check whether contributors have set up their own local development development, which includes, um maybe an ide, etc, some mantis to discuss with the contributors and other organ members about the reformative project plan.

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So um this might include the deadlines, milestones, polishing them to with more details, figuring out potential issues etc.

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So there's an important point because it sets like it sets out like what happened throughout their project, also, finally, mentors to work with contributors on how the contributors would find their time over the next 10 weeks, so the scheduling it breaks, vacations, etc.

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So everyone in the project will know like when everyone is at at any stage. Mentors and contributors must agree on their plan, preferably writing by email before going begins.

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And record it somewhere, yeah very good.

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So I will share this slide deck with everyone after the meeting. uh This is this is the the um the link to the full document it it's beyond. It includes milestones and deliverables beyond the bonding period.

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Okay, now the communication channels, uh there has been some discussion uh in initiatives and for me it's not a problem anymore, so the different ways to communicate, I think either getter or the cdf slack.

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The choice is per team, so it's open and it's like colors or or text editors. It's a personal choice. So now what I would like to check and do a rundown now is: do the four projects something ongoing and know what to do and what to choose so, I'm, I think the plug-in health scoring a system so diraj and that maybe raj, if you can tell, is the the communication channel settled in slack the cdf slack.

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Yes, it is I've created it and we also have started to have discussions as well, but we might need to finalize- or maybe discuss more on that, because you raise the point on getter that there are some difficulties in joining slack. So we need to discuss more on that.

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Okay, I'll I'll come back, so I think there is a link. um You know I I I didn't have time to look that up.

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A full disclosure- it is a public holiday in belgium, so I was not supposed to yeah stop working.

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My wife was grumbling uh for that, so no, no problem. So normally there is a link on um jenkins. The diode explains how other people can join the slack channel, but it's not easy and simple, and you need to install so uh I'll research that ask the different projects that are using the cdf slack to add a small note and or link to a more global.

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Documentation how to proceed, but I will take care of explaining to people how to join the conversation, but you have rush. You have your your channel running right.

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Okay and the mentors are on.

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And the jenkinsfile runner uh oleg created that- and I also saw that um chris and yamin is already active on that channel. So the only two channels that right now with that's questionable, are the the um the automatic get cache and the pipeline step documentation generator.

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um Those two michelle from cdf has created those two sub channels, but because she- and I could not add uh the rest of the folks on there um because they're not cdf members, so she what she did was she sent out invitations from cdf.

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um So if you did receive a an invite, please accept it. So then we can. Hopefully we can add you to these um subgroups in slack.

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I think there is there is a way I don't remember how it works, but this needs to be sorted out because it's very complicated to join the cdf slack. But I don't think so, but just checking here uh so automatic get cash maintenance, who's.

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So you're going to use getter.

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Okay, so the the slack channel is not required and you have uh a channel for for that. So you have uh the getter channel set up so you're you're ready to go rory cash.

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I I find guitar, you know comfortable, so we have discussed and we were you know we all agreed upon using the get plug and john and getter.

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Okay, that's uh that's good, so the the channel will not be required.

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The get one yeah.

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Slack is not going to be required. Did I understand that correctly.

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Yes, okay for that project and now checking for pipeline step documentation. I know christine is there who else is from the project there? What is the status for that project?.

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um Yes, so uh likewise, we also discussed- and uh we decided that we'll use a jenkins cs- slash docs, a channel guitar for this project.

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So christian thought that it would be a good idea to uh discuss it out in the front of the community and since it's a documentation based project, uh that channel seems to be suitable for now. So we won't.

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Require slack either.

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Okay, so that's that's perfect and I'll leave the choice to every uh pro. I I have a personal preference for getter, but uh don't don't listen to that, don't forget to update in the project page. This is one of the first things that you can update uh on on your project. Page is what is your channel? Where are you discussing so this and and don't wait for having everything filled in all the questions? Purpose and, and so on, um uh add the information you already have on that page.

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Okay, and in every case you can use the community discourse um system to ask question or raise uh and and reach out to the community and on uh the gsoc main page, just a reminder we we're starting, but if something is going wrong during the summer- and you want to reach out uh directly in in uh what is the english word for it, uh not discrete, but uh nothing not in a direct private, no, not in a public way private.

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That is exactly the word that I was if you want to reach out in a private manner with the org admins, uh there is a link to an email address where you can raise and ask I'd like to discuss and talk to to somebody, because something is.

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Not working as expected, I don't want to discuss that in public. We want to have that a possibility. Now I will be available my email, all our emails are flying around all over the place, so you can also reach out directly if something is wrong and we will also connect this for the next slide.

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So we will hold a weekly office hour, so we will keep that that rhythm will hold only one single uh office hour at about this time. So that's 3 p.m. Utc, a short zoom call, so the the purpose is that we have a quick overall global gsoc checkpoint, where we can just report very shortly. This is where we are. This is what we achieved.

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We have some important roadblocks that are preventing us to move, as as we want so there's a way to share to the community uh uh where the projects are standing and just to have a news report, I would say- and anyway so it's uh it's just to improve the communication and sharing of information, how others are doing so to avoid that every project now enters submarine mode and disappears from the surface of the earth.

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So zoom 30 minutes we hold it at this time. So a question is this time: okay for most of the people, so I this is a compromise between us and asia. Europe is in between, so europe is good, but does somebody want to change the time or the date.

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Looks like we have consensus, john mark.

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Okay, let's go on so uh just for practical reason. I will be organizing and handling that uh during all the summer.

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I might not be in the usual place when, when I'm be visiting my granddaughters in france in france, so that's it for me on that slide. uh Alyssa.

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Thank you um is kristin on yeah.

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I'm here oops, okay,.

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See ya so kristen uh we're gonna. Have you talk about this slide if possible? So this special interest group.

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Sure all right, so um one of the really cool things about working at open source and kind of even jenkins when the project gets so large. There's these special there's these groups, that kind of form around certain topics that are important to the project. So these are special interest groups and in jenkins we have several. As you might see, actually google summer of code is one, so you all are participating in this special interest group just by being here.

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So um there are sometimes also you'll find that your project might fit within one of these groups, for example like the dot we're using the documentation channel, which is part of the documentation, special interest group to talk about the pipeline steps project and a lot of these other groups um might be interested in what you're working on and each of them kind of, has a link here and you can go to the page and they'll have different mailing lists or have gitter chats and then a lot of times also have meetings and whether these happen um every two weeks or every month or every week, depending um you can kind of attend one of their meetings.

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So this might be a really great place for you to find out more about like to be able to share your project as it's going and to be able to kind of get involved more of the community. So I highly recommend like to kind of think about what your project is and then to visit one of these to see, if maybe it fits in with the one of these groups, um your mentors might be able to help too, and then this is a great place to be able to present different parts about your project.

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Usually, they'll have a like a meeting agenda mark. Wait is like incredible keeping the documentation, notes and stuff, but you can put yourself on their agenda and talk about your project. Maybe do like some presentations, but also to kind of get some feedback about what you're working on. So this is just another way to get involved into the community.

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Good way to test ideas or to to get feedback from a broader audience and get people interested.

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Exactly so there you're, these will be great resources for you and will also help cheer you on with your project, to help make you succeed and get the best possible stuff. So please check out these. It's on the jenkins io website. um Just underneath you can go to uh community and then there's a you can click on the special interest groups and it takes you to the main page. So I highly recommend checking this out and talking with your mentors to see if there's a good place where your project could fit in.

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This is a very good tip. Thank you for for raising that.

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Thanks kristen all right, so we're gonna, I'm gonna check the time ah we have about four minutes left one minute. Yes, so I'm gonna we're gonna open this up for any q. A um like. I.

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Update, I will update this slide with additional content. um We'll we'll have add our our emails in here so feel free to contact us directly update the communication channels as well, and um you can always refer to that or just reach out to any of us, org, admins or mentors, and you know we can help out.

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Other questionable doubts.

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Since all the mentors are here, maybe any one of them, if they are interested, can share any tips for us to deliver the project and make it a success.

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It's a good one.

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That's a good one, yeah.

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Kristen since you've had experience with this in the past, perhaps you can put on the spots.

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All right, no, it's all good. I was like this is a good question. um I would, I think the big thing is to make sure that you're staying in contact like constantly and even over communication is a great thing, so just sharing from like sharing what you're working on that day, even if it doesn't feel like a whole lot or maybe you can say, I'm struggling with something and it helps kind of unblock you.

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So I would say just kind of communicate more than you think you would you would need to, or, and just that way we can respond better or even maybe there's someone in the community. Who will you know if you join one of those channels or listings? Someone else might have a suggestion, but it's just kind of like over communicate what you're doing, even if it doesn't feel like, even if you think it's boring or not interesting.

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We want you to succeed and we want to help you and we don't know what that is. If we don't talk to each other. So definitely everyone share.

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If, as much, if I quickly jump in here, especially if you're you're, young and and this can be intimidating, not an intimidating audience uh it, there is no harm to ask and say I'm struggling with this or that or I don't.

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It's not a judgment on your capacity or whatever we all have been in the same situation as you. You are now, and this is why we are eager to help you out, but the only way to help you is that you say here I have a doubt or I I I don't understand, or or or so right.

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The advice of christine is super: go ahead, christine.

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Yeah, let's say like no: it's like exactly at john park, because it's just yeah, we want you to succeed and we want to help you and the best way for us to be able to do. That is to know what's happening so and you're rightly sometimes it can be intimidating to jump into open source stuff. But a lot of you have already asked questions on the channel and we're the jenkins community is really friendly. I've noticed that, like very friendly, very willing to answer questions and help you move forward, so we want you to.

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We want these projects to be success, and we want to be able to see like these really cool demos that you'll show off, and so anything like that right.

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That's it for me.

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Very good, very.

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Awesome thanks a lot.

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Don't be shy, ask for help. I I mean.

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For me, when I first started.

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It I I felt I felt intimidated, but um I learned along the way that there's a lot of people that do want to help us and do want you to succeed so so use that leverage that.

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We're all together- and we want to brag about your work so we're we need to be proud of what what we do.

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Else wants to ask yeah.

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Go ahead, I just wanted to give you the bait. No, but.

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Yeah, we really have a question that chad.

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Wow, well, I have my opinion on on on that one. But maybe if christine or chris can give your uh your opinion, but let the others say their opinion, but I'm very liberal on that.

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Chris or christine yeah, it really depends on like uh the agreement between the mentors and teams. So it's like it's up to like the individual project.

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Yeah, I pretty much think that weekends are an important time for you to be able to take time off and you do better working um if you do take time off and have time to think in between so yeah.

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I just need to be.

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Every day sitting at the computer knocking out lines of code, it's like no! No! No! That's a lot of it's gonna. You need to be able to enjoy your summer.

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Exactly- and this is something where the mentors can help you to find the correct balance there's uh so it's it's a mentorship relationship, and this is why communicating and giving uh details about what you're doing? What is your next milestone? Did you reach? Are you? Do you have difficulties in in the communication, especially in this? This context uh is very important.

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uh Life and work. Balance is very important and it's part also of the of the training that you need to to find and and discuss it. I have I made my experiences personally. uh I have my way of doing it, find it explore it uh uh discuss with people and with the with the community.

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The most important thing is it's: it's an important program. It's a program with a lot of visibility.

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It's not a death march a march, so I don't want you to start working uh uh over time, and so christine really said it uh very well so and discuss with the mentors and see uh we're not in a factory here. We're we're knowledge workers and so.

B

Work life balance is important, yeah, okay, so we're um three minutes over time. uh Before we drop, I want to leave it for any last questions.

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um Yeah I had one more question: left: uh okay, for example, if you want to discuss any a project related or a schedule, specific thing with a mentor. So what would be the preferred uh platform for direct communication via email or anything else?.

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um Well, I have my point of view there, but I will let the lead mentors or the more experienced mentors here or whoever has an opinion on on that. How do you want uh man mentee? Is that the right english word or.

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He uh reach out to you for, for these kind of questions.

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I would say it would be up to individual project group um with your mentor, see what is his or her preference and use that, because every every project group has different mentors and they um they have different preferences. I'm sure.

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Yeah now there there is the new ones, and then I let chris and christine eventually chime in so uh what is interesting in the community is to discuss in the open, meaning that people can share ideas and give their opinion uh and then and so, for these kind of discussion, and don't forget that openness is a critical uh mechanism of open source that we're going to learn together uh this summer and so use the the the slack or getter channels for that, so that you're you're saying it openly if you're, more shy or introvert or so don't feel secure enough.

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You always have mail and direct contact with with people. You will be more secure.

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You will not have the impression that you have so many eyes looking at you, but you will be missing the eyes. Don't forget that emails you're talking to one single person, this person might not be available.

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It takes time it's done on the free time of the the various mentors.

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So there's there's lag on that where using the open channels, there will be somebody monitoring and might jump in and say well here, if you do it that way- or this is not not critical, and this can be done later, so it's a balance that you have to choose for that. So vihan was that a useful answer for your question.

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um Yes sure like if I would also get the opinion of kristen because she's my mentor, uh which uh communication mode would she prefer it would be great.

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Yeah, sometimes it's easier to hit me on getter. Sometimes I'm like a little behind on my email because it gets full of like full of the github messages, all the time, so um getter sometimes works, and it's very asynchronous so applying across things.

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All right, I didn't want to have a strong opinion on on or give a strong opinion there, but gitter is generally the the most efficient yeah.

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But I hear you or not in.

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The same way, but I want to give new ones and they don't want to be too pushy other questions or points or or point of view chris or whoever wants to add something.

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Well, I will conclude by saying I'm super happy of this. This edition from the uh with with the team, and I think, we're I'm convinced we have we're going to have a lot of fun during the summer and.