Jenkins Google Summer of Code Office Hours, 1 Apr 2022

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GSoC Office Hours [Asia] - April 1, 2022

A

Okay, recording all right um hi, everybody welcome to jenkins g sock office hours today is april 1st 2022, so we don't have anything specific on the agenda today. So we're going to open this up to answering any of your questions, any clarifying any doubts that you have.

A

The good thing is we did receive. Let me see two four five completed proposal drafts, so we we did receive another one, but I'm not gonna count that one, because that was incomplete. So as of this time, we have five five drafts in um that's under review right now. So let me start sharing my screen.

A

A

All right, so I see that diraj, you have a couple of questions, so I'm going to hand it over to you, so you can ask your questions.

B

Yes, thank you so much elisa, so my question is around to uh like. If we think about the end goal of plug-in health score, we will be having and we will be delivering this course via update center. So do we agree on that.

C

So, actually, I'm not I'm not yet convinced that we can deliver the scores through update center. We may have to provide a separate data service to do it, because the update center payload is already so heavyweight that the the people who manage update center are concerned.

C

Adding scoring to it will will be overwhelmingly bad so so, somewhere we've got to have a service that provides it, I'm not sure if it will be an update, center or somewhere else, but there's certainly a place that has to deliver for a plug-in what its health score is.

C

It may be a separate service. Did that answer your question dhiraj.

B

Yes, it did, but it raised other questions as well like then, if, if you're talking about the other service, so are we thinking about doing a project where we would be implementing rest apis and making them available through the same kind of json object?.

C

Yes, yeah, I think that's, I don't know if it would be a rest api, but I, for instance, update center today just downloads, a large json file, and I could envision us having another json file that provides the provides the the scoring information.

C

Is it did that? Did that address your question.

B

Yes, it did, but I'm trying to just think like how can we do that? Any hints on that.

C

Well, so what I would envision is just as update center has a facility today that allows you to create a local copy of an update center for testing purposes. For for interactions, you would create something similar.

C

And and using that that that concept- oh, I want to run a local local copy of this thing that delivers plug-in, helps health score data.

B

Okay sure, so I think I might need to do more research on this. So yes, um my quest, second question is: what do we mean by monitoring under the data delivery section that was written.

D

B

The idea page of this project.

D

C

Okay, so we'd have to we'd have to go to that page. So, let's see, uh can you get us this stop.

A

C

Yeah or we may be able to have you navigate there or I can let me go see if I can find it so this was the project idea, page right.

B

Are you sharing your screen.

C

Not yet no I'm I'm just finding the page so that I bring it up and then I'll share just a minute. Okay, so sharing my screen now.

C

Are you referring to something on this page? Okay,.

E

C

Okay, data delivery- oh oh, okay got it right so when when this was saying monitoring, it was things like well I'll, show you an example of the kind of a simple-minded form of monitoring that we use. Now we have this thing called an acceptance test for the update site.

C

So just a minute and we'll go there. So on ci.jenkins.io every one once an hour, it will perform a job that does something relatively simple. What it does is it runs this test.sh script and that script is: let's see. How can I find that? Let's grab that really quickly here? That script just looks like this.

C

It, oh, it calls another script and that script verifies this, so it runs. Some checks, do these urls resolve and it does that with curl. So this is the kind of thing that that I was assuming in writing that the idea of monitoring now this is this- is a very poor monitoring system.

C

If you're talking about really infrastructure monitoring, the jenkins project actually has a donated data dog instance that does much much more thorough monitoring and that could be used as well, but this concept was just check that it's it's responding and all this thing does is once an hour checks to be sure that the site is still responding now in terms of production.

C

That's not nearly good enough. The the infrastructure team has data dog, but for for purposes of this one, this was the idea I had in mind.

C

Does does that answer your question in terms of what what the meaning of monitoring was here.

B

B

Sure so that makes sense now I would just need to do some research on my own to think about how will we create that service which replaces update center and about deployment and monitoring part of it as well.

C

Yeah and for precision it's not that it would replace update center it would it would effectively sit beside update center right. It could be asked, ask questions. Update center has asked questions about plug-ins and their their dependencies.

C

This service would be asked questions about plug-ins and their health score.

B

So it's like this new service will not reinvent the wheel. It will perform the new functions, but wherever possible, it will take help from the current update site.

C

Right, there's no reason for us to replicate things that are already an update center, like dependency information right, the dependency information. That's in in this kind of list. That's that's in these things is is already there. We don't need to duplicate it, but because health is not about dependencies anyway, I would assume you, wouldn't you wouldn't discuss dependencies at all?

C

Yes, that's true.

B

Okay sure so that answers my question great.

C

A

um Are there other questions for our mentors.

E

um Yes, I have one question, um so it was about hello, hello, alyssa, so it was about the evaluation process, so we have two evaluation processes defined by google, so in the first one. um So I was wondering because, because of the way my schedule is there, so I have my vacations before the first evaluation.

E

So I was thinking that I would be able to compute a major part of the project before the first evaluation and I'm after that leaves me with little things to do after uh for a second evaluation. So is it fine or should we divide our work equally? Amongst the two.

C

I don't think there's any reason to to slow yourself down if you, if you've got plan time off before the that's after first evaluation, then do do the work in the in the first phase report. It then report the the content in the second phase, so I don't, I don't think, there's any expectation from us or from them that things will be okay, roughly 50.

C

If you know you have to be off during the second phase for a period that means you'll, you'd likely spend less time in that second phase on the work was that what you were asking vihan? So it's basically conceptually you've got two or three weeks where you need to be gone during the second phase, and so you'll do most of the work in the first phase and be evaluation submitted for phase one and then the evaluation of phase two will have fewer hours involved in it because you were gone for a portion of that.

C

Yes, that is somewhat yes, true.

C

Okay, some somewhat is is what did I miss? Tell me tell me more about if there's.

E

Something it was not about the leaf, but it was just that I would get more time so like I can work in both the phases. So that's not an issue, but I was wondering like I'll, be able to dedicate around 150 hours in the before the first evaluation itself, so but perhaps even 175. So.

C

um ah I see so what you're saying is you may actually be able to to in, because the projects are scoped at 175 hours total and your notion is, you might be able to put in 175 hours even before the first evaluation.

C

Yeah, that is the question: yes, okay, so so and and that one I you know, I don't know that.

C

I don't know that I've seen any guidance from from google one way, the other or the other, on that we may have to do some research separately to see what that means, because I'm I'm, assuming that your mentors may not be able to support you at at 2x 2x volume, time investment.

C

One of the challenges is the mentor team has to be ready to support your efforts as well and if you're, if you're running 40 hours a week, you know so in a in a four or six week period. You're going to get 160 hours in that's that's going to be that may be heavier than the mentors are able to support.

E

Oh okay and I said.

C

No, no, if it turns out the those extra hours, don't mean an extra load on the mentors. No objection that just one of my worries would be the the scoping at 175 hours is in part, because we don't also don't want to overload the mentors.

E

And I said all right, thank you.

C

Good question very good.

F

A

So while we wait, are there other guidance that you might or have uh that you can share with with our potential contributors mark other things that you can think of or kristin or chris.

C

Yeah, so so I've I've liked the the thought that's going into. How do we fit things into timelines? How do we and vihan's beyond question leads towards that right? It's how how specifically, how do we, how do we partition the work into phases into weeks or periods that that fit with the plan for google summer of code, so by all means be thinking about that, and- and yes, certainly considering technical details?

C

How does this part fit with that part?

C

Be sure that you're doing some things that involve you in code with the jenkins project, uh russia, cash has been a good example of one that I've seen he submitted, submitted, pull requests to the get client plug-in with specific changes. Those those are a good positive thing, because it let us it lets us interact with you on code, so that you start to get a sense of how we how we work, what what the rules of engagement are in the jenkins project.

A

A

um I think, with rush has another question: I've used uh carbon.now uh for adding code snippets to the proposal might be helpful for someone. Okay, it's in the chat window mark.

C

Yeah I've I've never seen carbon, so it does a picture of source code.

B

Yeah, you just need to paste your code and you can select the different themes as per your liking and it will present the code beautifully and you can just take a snippet, save it in a png form and add it to your proposal rather than just copy pasting. The text on your proposal.

D

Interesting: okay,.

E

There is also a code extension option in google docs, which actually you can install, and then you can format your text like a code in any language. Basically, it detects the language automatically, so shell script, java c plus, says python. Anything.

C

Nice, so I I wasn't aware of that extension behind any chance. You could share a link to that extension sure ever just a minute.

F

Another question about the uh but like for the for the feedback on the proposals uh like what is the procedure, and uh is it isn't that, like uh you, guys, would be planning to have a certain amount of mentors view each proposal or comment on it? Each proposal.

A

Yeah, so our plan is to have the initial uh plan is to have the mentors for that project idea uh focus on the proposals for for their project idea, and then the second part is that we would solicit for additional mentors to review it as well.

A

So that's that's the current plan right now.

F

So uh is there like any date that this would happen by or.

A

I would have to take a look, and I I I can take a look uh back at the google summer of code um timeline and then I'll. Stick the dates on our um on our our uh our agenda page right here.

C

Alyssa, I think I think aryan's specifically asking about the drafts that they've submitted so aryan. If.

F

C

Correctly one your draft is related to git. If I remember right did, I remember correctly, yeah sorry, I'm behind schedule on doing those reviews. I I solemnly promise that I will do those reviews and give you the feedback.

F

C

And so so, my expectation is that before next office hours so before next next thursday, I will have given feedback that way. You have time enough, before the be the opening of of applications to google, because if I remember correctly, alyssa is in april 9. The opening of.

A

C

A

I think that's about right, so we will definitely get feedback back to you.

C

A

C

With my hope is that it will be this before the end of this weekend. So before monday, your time but but.

A

Work has been a little busy.

C

Work's been a little busy with a certain problem here and there and everywhere.

F

Yeah, that's fine more time for me to work on my proposal.

C

Exactly and that's that's why it's it's it's. It would be terrible of us to have asked you please get those into us and then for us not to give you feedback that that's.

C

Thank you very much for submitting your draft and and we'll use that draft, as as the platform that we want it to be to help you have a good proposal. As you bring your proposal all the way to submission.

F

A

Yeah I'll try to work with the mentors to get some dates in for you guys, so you have an idea that when we can try to shoot for a deadline to get feedback back to you,.

A

So, while we're um probably thinking about more questions, so then right after this office hour, we will be having a brainstorming session. um So if you guys would like to join that the information is on the getter page, um the getter channel discussion. So take a look at that and um I think the the dial-in is different, so use the dial-in that I I had placed in the um the gear channel.

C

Right and that's that's for the get uh cash maintenance proposal right. So if, if you're not working on the get cash maintenance proposal, you don't need to attend. There's not not any real benefit to you. If you attend something where we're discussing detailed technical components of the get cash maintenance proposals.

C

Code blocks interesting: okay, so vihan has shared the link to the code blocks syntax highlighting for google docs interesting yeah. That's good.

A

Cool thanks for sharing that, yes,.

C

Thanks very much.

C

I think I'm just going to go ahead and install it.

C

All right, if there are no others alyssa, I think we may go ahead and just end early. I'm not sure that there's much value in us just staying on the line, any other questions. Now there was some controversy. Actually I don't. I don't detect anybody who would might apply to, but there was some discussion in the the google summer of code, mentors list about the concept of embargoed countries and and there's given the current war in ukraine.

C

uh There are countries that google is not allowed to have people participating in google summer of code projects from those countries and russia is one of those. So if you live in russia, you are excluded and- and so there are others- north korea, for instance, is excluded. There are a few others so be sure. You read now we're relying on google to assess that. That's, not the jenkins project's job to decide if you're eligible or not.

A

Yeah good point.

C

All right: well, thanks.

A

Okay thanks everybody, so.

C

We'll meet those who are doing the google, the the get code exercise will meet up in about five or six minutes, see you there.

A