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Meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit#heading=h.pe26gbdq4ka3

A

Okay, real life: oh yeah, this is just another jisuk status meeting, just a quick update here. Last week we have been obstructed jin-seok and we also started foreign aid sessions for students.

A

That's why we don't have so many people on the call today, because David had one session yesterday and they'll be a good space.

A

So if you start from the full room and overflow, I would say that we have had from 12 to 15 students in total first time, an associate who is recognized, and here this sessions I fix now, so it gets it immediately. We use this and another session is it's.

A

3:14, you teach you on one place, oh just in two hours, and we will have these sessions to lay up your minds of directional dream figures. No no I don't know.

A

Thirty-Eight explains I was struggling typing one of my new Swiss German keyboard. Okay, this is my screen now, yes yeah so yeah. We start two questions for students. You can see these sessions in James Callender everything because abated I hope they will go. Well then, regarding the rest, yeah you have a blog post, like friendship. Yesterday now on Monday we have announcements and the mailing list this announcement with its sick meetings. It was announced that governance. So it's done, and here we have one biggest action item.

A

Both members region called the audience, and here it's something we are called mentors to focus on because, as we discussed before, we need a lot of communications to attract students to get discussions going and just finally met my obligations and other, or that means we help away defend, but we still rely on Memphis to come after their own projects and also to promote the Jenkins Jae Seok. So any help here will be much appreciated.

A

If you know if you are interested, for example, to go to the local university from Angie salt, there are some slide decks offered by a full summer of code and Google with the REC, your first I'd eggs. We also have some sample five eggs on the Genki side, so it will be much appreciated.

A

What else has changed our last week, you may have seen that there were some activities and projects. We started more gated channels. So if you open the least, we have four channels for some G sub projects. Now, for example, I give wrench sorcery. It has moved to a separate the deeper channels thing for both get it before dr. Holland. Another is the separate channel for machine learning and most likely we'll be getting to more such channels.

A

So if you as a man, won't have a dedicated channel, it's something which you can totally do, and the opponent I miss that you have to direct special interest book channels. So, if you take a look at the project, ideas became a sinister get some channels just redirected to special interest groups. The rectum, for example, pipelines tell the fermentation generator it leads directly to pipeline, opens a special interest group and yeah. That's how we try to approach them in general, the first year you get a bigger audience. There.

A

Okay, so I believe that speak for me. So here's some change happening and there is a lot of open action items mostly on me to get things done. I.

A

Don't have much a bit from my side, so here always is like turn on Google dog fermenters internal meetings based on progress, and we will be taking the best things, but you generally think of this queue.

A

Do we have any action items? Others, especially Martin? Okay,.

B

Just a minute action items.

B

I'm double checking the list of mentors who are on the Google Group and on the calendar, invite just to make sure we're not missing anyone. I know we are missing Christopher Dancy on the mentor G so quickly, meetup invitations so I'll end him, but I'm also checking all the names to to make sure.

A

You mean strike yes,.

B

Mentor mailing list.

A

And I believe that all members have already received engaged into the a Jenkins JSOC side, so we've had yeah you and sometime on Sunday in order to process their mentor mailing list, I invited, maybe six missing mentors. Today. I must have some people who joined recently and they invited everybody to the application side of bacon just screen.

A

Or I kind of can shade because you have people emails there: MJR, okay, but yeah the.

B

I'm double-checking all the lists, the google group, the calendar invitation and.

B

The registration in the Summer of Code program.

A

So you've got the Belize if anybody is missing. Just let us know will evacuate it because yeah this K, we had forget momentous than it used to be before. So we might be missing something.

A

A

So what do we have visitor girls at all tactics? Yeah? Last time we had a discussion about the digital calendar. What has happened to them? I.

A

Remember so you may see it doesn't book well here, but you will connect shred it to do it and then everything looks fine and all JSOC meetings are there, as well as special meeting, which also the regime's of venues on project ideas. So yeah I believe for this part, is resolved. So just.

A

This part is the result, but the open question do we want to have a specific gene and gene Sao calendar so last time we had in this fashion it is Martin, but they believe with well. We agree so that we want with it, and they believe this is an action item on me to watch me get implemented.

A

Oh yeah, I guess that's it from me. Regarding their date. We don't have four students from the Cologne I guess we have one student now, so it's yeah. We could just spend some time on quani and then with anything that we think we can just talk about pending project applications and product IDs and what we can do get the gist of it.

A

So does anybody have any questions.

C

Hello, sir yeah, so if I'm not wrong, if cantering speak in this conference, or is it just only limited to Dementors no.

A

It's the open office hours, okay,.

C

Sir Sir so hello, sir I, am fairly a new contributor to Jenkins and I'm known by the username learned in 161 in the Gator chat, hello. Yes,.

A

C

And I have a couple of questions regarding the g-shock projects, so, first of all, so I am more or less interested in the octopus promotion g-shock project and that project does not happen to have get a channel so I'm having a really hard time in talking about the projects about talking about the projects and how to go about promoting it. So how do I do that so because and yeah.

A

I mean if you came to the right place, because your approach would be to just create a new channel. Okay, it's the old Seamus Finnigan.

A

So the tricky thing here that yeah we already have projections. It's.

A

Series yet so what we already have. We have mainly troponins issue addressed, promoted, functionalities on home and we create a new plugin, so one of my approaches would be to just create a channel promoted bills plugin and another one would be to create a specific channel for Jessup and, to be honest, they lean towards creating a specific channel for jaeseok right now. I.

A

Do commotion or pipeline okay, so what we can do I can just create original right now. Okay,.

C

A

Everybody agrees so we can follow the same template as below, so it would be.

A

Something like well.

A

It's a bit too long: okay, yeah, that's all! Let's just go over with this chart and then we can add more people. There.

C

Okay, sir, thank you sir. Then one more question would be like in that project. The scope of the project is really broad, I think because it just ranges from REST, API stew, core Java, to front-end development. So is it necessary that all of these factors should be included in my project proposal or like I, should just concentrate on a certain facet of the project like the scope.

D

Is really it's.

C

The spectrum is really brewed, I guess. So how should I go about that yeah.

A

So it's actually written the project idea liquid, so welcome to sleep. Only some of the items propose their own project ideas. Okay,.

C

Yes, sir, so and in this thing, like should I, be more focused to like front-end development or should I just go with the like core Java Java thing, because I can select anything right. So, according to the document, it says that so, which area should I be focusing more well.

A

Than say that you tell us so the idea here, if you explore their area, what would be more interesting to you and then a bomb for this project idea, so we can help you with answering specific questions, but we cannot say what you need to take. If you have just that in webview, is it would be one scope of the project if you interested in core Java, it would be another scope over the project. Well, theoretically, you can do both, but hey it's free. It will be pretty big event you're right. It's.

C

Opportunity to select the thing exactly.

A

So if you have any questions any details just reach out in gita channel, we will always to help but yeah. That's how the project idea is written. We want to offer opportunities to students with different backgrounds.

C

So and one last question would be like for just rendering those pull requests before before giving those pull requests like test, we need to test it and now local in our local machine right. So what is the contribution? Guideline of Jenkins like should I be testing all of those PRS or just have a tentative guess that it will work? Is it necessary that I should be testing all of those, because, okay.

A

Show you the answer, so it's written some way in guidelines, but so let's go. Let's take promoting the bills. Plug-In I mean I used to maintain one of its plugin, so yeah. That's why it is an example. Sometimes, so all almost all all plugins have a Jenkins file, so it's a file will be defines that they which defines the bigger process in Jenkins.

A

No wonder we have some continued integration because we have all project about the automation and they oh I, know what now there is a maintenance, all the Jenkins instance, so probably I won't be able to open it right now. We have a obligate happening right now, but what you can see here that actually will have continuous integration for each committee and the same. We have continuous interpretation of pull requests, and this Politico is a test, for example, of both Linux and windows, from particular configurations.

A

If needed again, I won't be able to show it here now, maybe with Latham but yeah. You can just delete all this continuous integration, so.

C

This is the exact PR that I just give a couple of hours ago, so only.

D

C

So this one so so my last question would be like, while submitting my PR the CI integration of Jenkins. It failed because, like there was some sort of dilemma between Windows and Linux, and it did not pass for a while, so that this is one last hitch that I am facing, that that the bill did not pass just because I was working on a Linux environment and I, don't know because I don't know. For some reason it did not work. Yeah.

A

Right so there may be infrastructure issues, sometimes because well, infrastructure issues happen or they may be a real defect. So, unfortunately, now we cannot investigate that because we'll say instances down but yeah once it comes back. If you want, we can take a look and they can show how to analyze results generally. What is supposed to heaven you can and when you do fails, you can navigate to be stink and you will see a blue ocean interface which shows you the execution graph and shows where it failed.

A

Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's not, but that's how you really happened so here, I just updated the pool request, API, request myself as a reviewer will probably request the current plug-in making it here as well and I just need to kick it. So we can now review it and don't know deep.

B

A

Yeah what we usually do so, if you start working on that since its markets new girlfriend, it's important that you actually assign it here. So you don't confuse other students who may actually want to work on the same mission. Okay, but if you self assign the task it's perfectly fine and if you're beat the status for example, pool it.

C

Okay, thank you, sir yep.

A

So it's just click update here so that you see how it works and yeah the ones we good. Okay, I'll try to review this request.

C

Okay. Thank you sir. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

A

You're welcome and yeah I did.

B

Yeah I did ask on the infra mailing list regarding that failed, pull request, and it was just a transient problem.

A

Would be experienced recently because we had someone neutral guillotine all strings over lost a few days, so we have some Windows machines running out of disk space. I mean those dr. very instances. If I recall correctly, we also had issues with agent provision I believe, but him I believe that the diminish edges was with out of space on other machines. It should have been kicked by now, but well sometimes you have infrastructure channel where you can always ask whether it be instance is good and yeah.

A

There are some discussions about having a publicly available monitoring for the instance, but a it's not very implemented right now. There is a magnet program, but it has limited access.

A

A

Any other questions I.

B

I do have a question regarding the work of the workers of one of the potential students on the pole, request coleg, it's the configuration as code on request. I need to okay.

A

If you provide a link able to share- or if you want, you can just create your own.

B

Put the link in the Gipper chat, ok,.

A

Let's go back to the screen share, okay,.

A

Okay, so what is the question here so.

B

If you scroll down and there's a question about the use of the app symbol and no tension and.

A

That one's pretty there.

B

Yes, you just scroll by it: okay,.

A

B

Up a little bit, you will see the discussion. I should have squares shared my screen, but oh.

A

B

This one also we're getting conflicting messages here. We don't know what to do.

A

Okay, I'm just worried about that. Any really missed identification.

A

A

So, let's take a look so the problem. He is actually it's a result to change trade, so problem here that if you do a symbol, an integrationist code, yeah contributed code has its own way to automatically. It is all symbols, but if you want to have a specific symbol like this, XW is the class name and just a second.

A

Do we have a test automation in this booty quest.

A

Yeah, actually we do okay. Here you may see that the current name is x, WS allotted step, so this would Radhika spa genome may be the result based on the path, names and yeah. What was my comment that maybe, instead of it, you would actually want to have just X WS.

A

So that's why I commented like that.

A

But yeah. Then there was a comment from Alex. Do you necessarily need them? Of course, not so configuration is called plugin is able to result the code results in der Rohe. If you talk about consideration a sport, sometimes the positions with symbol conflicts because involves named exists. It may be unable to resolve the configuration properly okay.

A

So that's the goal. Further documentation of starts again.

A

A

Okay, so if I said that we don't really need it, we don't really need it. Why I proposed it here and the ice cracking marks? He said that it may be nice to change a deep opening.

B

B

When you change the default name, does it remain under the unclassified section of the Yama just.

A

So uh no surprise: it's a problem with global configurations, because if you don't define the gory by default, it will go. It will unclassified witness the data. Currently, you can update it so that it can go to another category and it would be still translatable with Jake asked, but Kim I'm I'm not sure that it's needed of this product list. It wouldn't be nice, but it could be done later.

A

If you want I can show how to do that, but probably it's rather for project specific engine so that we spend some time on this game xw. So it's.

A

We saw something Gregor, it doesn't answer your question. Martin.

B

Yes, so what about the interaction with get from between gate function, name and apt symbol, which one would take priority so.

A

A

Let's take a look at the code, it might be interesting for the section, so this is a described above step, so you may see that there are two entities. One and entity is a step. It's here and very entity is a descriptive and in the scripture you have a good function name but affect your. What it does. It defines the name of the step, or example used as yeah, for when you will stay xws in pipeline bed, function, name or would be used to resolve for a better day, but it doesn't apply to global configuration.

A

So the fields here are the global configuration and it means that this global configuration actually in steps, it's a being managed a in the Jenkins global computation, and it has nothing to do with happening. So, although it's mentioned, he is not a fool, it doesn't apply to this class. It applies to displace X double years.

A

Is it more cleared now.

B

A

And that's why it was a bit concerned about the name, because you hold X W step in G cos but effectively it will be using this template and again it's not related to the step itself. It's rather global configuration for this step. That's why I said that it might be reasonable to introduce the symbol, but here I failed to explain it in details.

B

Okay, so the good thing, the preferred way of doing it here would be to introduce the name to introduce a name in the symbol.

A

Yeah, so it may be something example here is smarting or xws template I will just comment in the blue request.

A

B

Probably xws config, because templates is a separate thing in the xws.

A

Okay, I was alright. It.

B

A

Be great blended because he it's a pretty big chunk of code. It's not so long. He jumps up code, but it's not a trivial patch I.

B

Think we'll be able to resolve to conclude this pole request with this additional information, so.

A

A

Okay, okay: we can close it in such a way. Then.

B

Maybe thank you anything.

A

Else I can help you spit.

B

That's it for that pull request. Okay,.

A

So I would like this matching bed.

A

Guess so, if others on the call, if you feel it's not comfortable for you to have a discussion in such way, I mean I'd hoped when it just let us know, and we can update the agenda so that we take it offline or maybe give it to the end of the call.

D

So yeah hi everyone, I, am result and I does not discuss one thing about the build Escada project yeah. So actually, in the current stage of the build is cutter, it said that it is not able to delete the external workspaces or the builds of the external work spaces created by the external workspace manager right all right, yeah.

B

D

Actually I was just looking over. The codebase and I have also shared this doubt on in the g-shock, build Escada that guitarron that the log rotator is calling they delete method right only. You know the run, dot, delete method, and it's just deleting that build of that run, but just when I yeah. So now, when I look into the internals of the delete method, it's actually calling the root directory object. Files.

A

E

A

Good bass or wood.

E

A

I might post crunchy and.

D

D

Okay, so it's my screen visible and yes, okay, so on the log rotator, it's just calling our got delayed. So it's you know just deleting the build of that one. Okay. So now, when I look into this delete function, it's actually calling the root directory.

A

D

So the root directory from which it can just delete that you know build all the files you.

A

Right, but just second till presently you to everyone, because your screen jumping yeah so good to root directory you retrieve or yeah. Please return back, okay, so go through directory. You retreat through director here also the wrong which contains.

C

A

Oh yeah, what happens next? You may see that, for example, it checks with artifact manager manager is one of the portable storage implementations, yeah.

D

A

Deletes artifacts using outfit manager API, yes,.

C

A

Purchase, for example, expert on login'. This is a poor request to join his court and the dependent winner. So for particular storage implementations they will be additional force and, if you not to do anything specific, the results are on this near for admitted, which actually involves wrong listener and points which we discussed a few meetings ago. So, if you want to do something specific, you can use run business and you can invoke it as a part of this deletion budget before the root directory gets actually deleted.

A

D

Okay, okay, yeah I got it so actually what my concern was that, like, while you know, means calling the same bit method in the external works with manager. Oh, like won't, be visible like like. Oh, we have to define our new delete method which will get the root directory of that external workspace and by the data of that root directory. They can. You know, just delete the dead data of that build, and so.

C

D

Yeah, so what you know yeah so I have actually written the you know the project proposal like somewhat of them so yeah. So what I want to you know say that, like first of all, the delete method will be implemented in which a root directory of debt bills, which bill is running a that with this patch and after that the logic of diluting will be given, and then the user will just.

D

You know, so, give the filter values like for how many days and for how many bills they want to give their bills and the artifact and then okay and intent of methods of the advance will discover which were made. There will be just call, and after that, after that, the new delete method will be called, and this will just delete the bills in the extra work space manager.

D

Yes, and for this I am closing that the data structures used to can be list or vector. Any of that, because both are like you to be same for fetching, data and storing data.

A

So, what's the question yeah.

D

Like I just want to share my notation so like, if there is any improvement, can be done in this or would like or any more specific thing which I should include in this proposal. In you know this second point or something like.

A

A

Well, I believe that the main question to you here is well: if you integrate with external workspace manager, I would attach the work. For example, if there is a storage in AWS, let's see so okay. What would you invoke on the external workspace manager site, which additionally EPS you need from more- let's say, external workspace manager plug-in or whatever, in order to invoke with proper care, because a if you, so if you plan to directly integrate you, don't discuss that with external workspace manager? This is the questions we need to answer.

A

If standard drink is, it is enough for you, then, for you, external workspace manager is just one of the implementations. So many question you need to ask yourself is what actually want to do? If you want to have a specific and an orientation for external workspace manager, then it's one approach: if you just want to use a generic using TCP, is Bennett way quite different.

D

Okay, so like that last sentence wasn't clear to me, so you can just repeat that what were you saying that? What were the two approaches you just mentioned right now? Can.

A

You repeat that okay, please one approach is that you create a new plug-in advanced blue, discarded, plug-in. It has.

D

Some dependence.

A

On external workspace, managers plug-in and then.

C

A

Specific interactions with external world space manager, plug-in API, is not at all correctly released. Workspaces in such.

C

A

Will need additional EPS on the external workspace manager plug-in, and you will also need to invoke logic from your plugin this one, okay, another approach is you just rely on external workspace manager, plug-in which wouldn't run listen here and which, which would be able to deploy vision, workspaces on its own when it's involved, but often it's you need to somehow ensure that they actually happens on external workspace manager. If you create this, those created by external workspace manager, as of your project proposal, so.

C

A

Will be different and well, it would be your task to explore opportunities and choose what you want, and you can just do such research and put it as an appendix all of your project proposal, so that mentors who review your project can see why you chose this way and it would be.

D

Okay, sure, yes, so I'll just you know, just compare the approaches, possibly and I'll just choose the implementation, which can be more feasible and can be more fast, yes, yeah, okay, so like and like I just know about that. I, like you know, the point which I mentioned in this proposal so like I think like I, just only need to add that how would the advance will discover get integrated with the external office manager? All the other things are like all. The other points have been mentioned here, right.

A

hmm Yeah I'm a bit confused because it's what we discussed before.

A

B

Not sure I understand the question. I think two things were said: one was a question. One was a statement so I'm not sure.

D

Yeah so, like I, just want to confirm that the like the points which are mentioned here are a part of the inclination, so like only one point which I need to area is that how and the external box which manager will be integrated with the advance will discard all the rest of the implementation points return here are correct or not.

D

A

Yeah I think it's something we should take on offline, because in order to answer this question, maybe mentors we need to review the proposal. I still didn't get to it.

D

Okay, yeah sure and like I, have all you know also know prepared implication, part of the feature of product of the production feature and the original you know which the build Escada will be having logic and the flow and the UI design so like I will just want to. You know, discuss these or all points whenever you know it's feasible, yeah.

A

So, let's approach that so there are multiple mentor say in this project: let's say.

F

You the project.

A

Idea be speak, and maybe next week point two weeks when people have time, let's schedule it up specifically about this project, because.

C

A

Hard to comment now because the proposal needs to be reviewed first, yeah, okay, sure, yes, so yeah! Sometimes it takes them because mentors can be.

E

A

Plate and it may be, do it.

D

Yeah I, understand and like I, just want to confirm that so now we're having three meetings. You know the great one on Tuesday n21 Venice days or only one on Tuesday and one one ministry like I taught this at the regular meeting. Time of the life of the like this meeting was now. No, you know only one meeting, one to ten one meeting on Wednesday or one meeting on Tuesday than two meetings on Wednesday yeah.

A

So we still keep this office hours, but it's most interesting couple about project his mentor's orchid means- and it was other go before interested for pony by students. Game is created two new two timeslots and the advice is to use these time slots when it's possible and when it's visible, so yeah students I still welcome to this meeting, but my suggestion would be to use specifically created for any slots, yeah, okay, yeah. So it's not a problem that you come here and ask questions.

A

We will try to answer them but yeah once we have this established, I would advertise project status here and any other meetings.

D

Yeah, okay, yeah sure and I just you know, add as much as possible in the like. My proposal document and like the Dementors can review it by this weekend so that we can discuss that points in the for the meetings in a more specific way. Yeah.

A

Okay, so if there is no other questions, I wanted to speak about about the project statuses. We have a few minutes left, so yeah I will switch to this topic. If you don't mind, okay,.

A

This is my screen again yeah, okay. So let's take a look at our project, ideas which we have left. So we have my name project ideas posted here and but we still have to draft ideas which need to be finalized, and since we have Marty on the call, maybe we could briefly talk about this project idea just understand what are the plans because yeah the team had a meeting on Monday ideas, so marquee? If you could briefly summarize what is the current owner and better in this project ad, it would be much appreciated. Yes,.

F

Hello, everybody we met on money. Excuse me, we met on Monday in regards to this project. We went over sort of the high level. What was the proposal kind of how we could start putting it all together, we've now set up weekly meeting, which will take place every Monday, the next steps- or this will be. We decided to do two things. One was to understand the high-level portion of the project. How can we put this together? So a student could take it on and then would there be any sub project for this, such as?

F

Maybe there would be a tensor flow aspect to this. We are spending the rest of this week going over some sort of power. We're spending the rest of this week, trying to understand who's done this in the in the field, and then we are going to meet next week to start assigning sort of tasks to get this sort of moving.

F

That's currently where we are.

A

In this project to the published state, but yeah, it's time pressure. So if it takes one two weeks more, it's pokey, especially since there is a negative discussion, so yeah ask here, would be to also get students involved into this discussion. We had few students relation how to talk about this project in charge and the mailing list. So if you could get them added to the new Gator channel and if you also start discussing I, think very very possible will be good. Oh yeah, yeah.

F

I will go ahead and get that taken care of today. I'm also going to do some cleanup to the to the proposal document this morning, yep.

A

F

Then I will have the.

A

Quiet permissions I believe.

F

Everybody has the permissions, they should.

A

So you have admissions to comment. You didn't awaited yeah.

F

Let me go ahead and change that real, quick well.

A

You can't change it because you don't know I'm.

F

Sorry I thought you were shot for I apologize, I should I thought you were showing the document that I created. We have a separate document. All.

A

Right our meeting document- yes all rigor, this one yeah I, believe we agreed that you're, honest will be also. The second play champion right, correct.

F

Can you add me to the edit permissions for this I apologize? Yes,.

A

So ultimately you're honest but I'm not sure what is his email I mean you may want yeah.

F

Once you give me the once, you give me rights.

A

Okay done thank.

F

A

F

That's all for me: okay,.

A

That's fine and thanks a lot so yeah, it's great to see that this project is moving forward. Let's try to get students for it and yeah. The second project idea, which we still have in the draft state, is about configuration code coverage. Epi improvements, but I believe led to me could actually publish that because the reason why it was in the draft state is because there were real open comments here and now. These comments should be addressed.

A

Assuming that my network works at all nowadays,.

A

Yeah I think that she needs yeah. Everything is clear, so we could probably just integrate it.

A

Okay, so I think we could just publish this project ideas if nobody's against.

B

That makes sense: okay,.

A

E

I'll back up on.

A

Anything else we need to discuss right now, I.

B

I, don't have anything else, yeah.

A

So we'll have another meeting in one hour: I'm, not sure how many people will be do her from this cold but yeah. Let's see.

B

Yes, I plan to join okay.

A

Yeah I'll also join you yeah me too. Okay, so see you there and if you're Martin have a chance, you sorts proposal before the next meeting. Maybe we could facilitate the things a bit yeah.

B

That's my plan was to review it today. Okay,.

D

Thank you, yeah, okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Thank.

F

You thank you. Everybody have a good day evening. Okay, thanks.

B