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A
Welcome
everyone:
this
is
Jenkins
governance
meeting,
it's
the
11th
of
July
2022.,
thanks
for
being
here
so
agenda
items
that
I
have
on
the
list.
Oh
thank
you.
Daniel
I've
got
any
news
action
items
a
trademark
request
that
Daniel's
asked
some
clarifying
questions
on
the
developer
list
and
it
it
will
help
me
learn
more
about
how
to
do
that
correctly:
guidance
on
responding
to
requests
to
the
board.
A
Another
question
a
question
raised
by
Gavin
separately
to
me
was:
could
we
consider
moving
this
meeting
one
hour
earlier
on
the
same
day?
It
would
be
a
little
better
for
him
any
other.
Oh
then,
final
forums
and
Community
topics
any
other
topics
that
others
need
to
add
to
the
agenda.
A
A
Me
I
guess
great:
okay,
all
right
so
in
terms
of
I
guess
news
items
LTS
2.346.2
releases
next
week.
No,
no
is
it
this
week
wait
a
sec.
Now
I've
got
to
double
check.
A
A
This
is
an
old
script
that
was
deprecated
18
months
ago
in
the
docker
containers
replaced
by
the
plug-in
installation
manager
tool,
a
Java
program
that
actually
does
a
really
good
job
of
resolving
dependencies
warning
about
security
Etc.
So
so
just
be
aware
that
change
is
coming
for
the
impact
brace
for
impact.
That's
right
exactly
any
other
news
from
others.
B
Items
so
for
whomever
users
supporting
the
next
release,
so
we
discussed
it
as
a
part
of
the
Google
summer
of
code
project
I
also
communicated
it
to
potential
users.
Mark,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
to
my
it's,
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
Cloud
base
doesn't
longer
depend
of
check
on
Jinx
Valderrama.
A
B
I
mean
Jenkins
still
is
doing
better,
so
I
can
use
Liberty
for
taking
weekly
releases
great.
B
Yeah
the
dependency
is
a
mess
but
yeah
thanks
to
everyone
who
was
working
on
Java
17
support,
I'm,
not
ready
to
introduce
Java
17
support
because
reflection,
but
yeah
I'm
getting
there.
B
A
B
A
Okay
next
topic,
then
action
items-
and
here
I,
have
the
sad
statement
of
saying
that
I
have
all
the
action
items
and
I've
made
progress
on.
None
of
them.
I
will
try
to
make
some
progress
in
the
future
on
at
least
one
or
two
of
these
Gavin
in
particular.
We
very
much
want
to
move
the
docs
mailing
list
and
the
platform
segmenting
list
to
community.jenkins.io
I
just
haven't
started
on
it.
Yet.
C
Oh
I
did
look
into
importing
essentially.
C
So
essentially,
they
said
if
we
want
to
import
exporting
from
Google.
Groups
is
really
really
easy.
It's
just
Google
takeout
and
you're
done
importing
it,
since
we
don't
have
access
to
the
actual
physical
install.
You
can't
run
in
the
import
scripts.
So
essentially,
what
we'd
have
to
do
is
I,
don't
know,
read-only
mode,
the
forms
download
the
they
can
give
us
a
dump
of
the
database.
We
import
it.
We
import
the
re,
Mark
the
mailbox
file
and
then
give
it
back
to
them
and
then
unread
only
the
forms.
C
It's
not
to
me
worth
it.
The
other
option
is
to
try
to
write
a
script
that
uses
the
API
I.
Don't
know
how
much
time
or
effort
is
worth
putting
into
this.
So
it's
not
as
easy
as
I
thought.
It
was
yeah.
A
And
for
me,
I
think,
leaving
the
switching
Google
Groups
to
read
only
and
leaving
that
be
the
place.
People
read,
it
seems
safe.
I
I
have
reasonable
hope
that
they
won't
kill
Google
Groups
and
take
it
away.
They'll
they
just
it.
Just
isn't
evolving
nearly
as
rapidly
user
interface
wise
as
community.jenkins.io.
C
B
That
is
not
that
many
threads
we
would
like
to
move,
I
mean
if
we,
even
if
we
wanted
to
move
it,
doesn't
make
sense
to
move
all
the
threads.
Maybe
some
of
important
ones.
A
Well,
and
particularly
on
the
docs
mailing
list,
that
docson
platform
were
both
relatively
low
volume,
user
user
list
and
Dev
lists.
Those
are
high
volume,
higher
volume
lists,
but
those
two
platform
and
docs
pretty
simple:
pretty
small
I'm
not
worried
terribly
great.
B
B
Is
the
name
of
our
new
contact
because
we
had
the
same
problems
in
the
cncf
and
the
in
the
CDF,
so
we
are
creating
some
of
other
crowdfunding
communities
at
the
moment,
so
once
I
get
information,
I
will
forward
it
to
the
governing
melanchist.
B
Great.
Thank
you,
but
yes,
I
believe
that
our
money
is
still
there,
and
this
usual
reminder
that
is
open
question.
How
we
spend
this
money.
A
Yeah
I
mean
we've
also
got
funds
also
at
other
locations
like
what
is
it
the
SPI
yeah.
B
Yeah,
actually,
it
depends
on
the
same
person.
The
same
person
is
expected
to
issue
invoice
to
the
spie,
which
will
be
used
for
the
transfer.
Okay,.
A
B
For
me,
the
question
is
what
we
could
move
from
geeky
to
the
CDF,
because
now,
what's
going
on,
we
are
they
starting
the
continuous
delivery
foundation,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
it
is
visible
from
the
Chinese
project
right
now,
but
with
the
new
executive
director
to
use
the
new
data
of
the
Outreach
committee
with
a
new
program
manager,
hopefully
coming
soon,
there
are
some
activities
going
on
and
what
they
they're
also
elections
for
the
treasurer
role
so
formally
in
this
DF
Charter.
B
There
should
be
personal
responsible
for
all
money
stuff,
but
there
has
never
been
so
they're
trying
to
let
someone
no
idea.
Definitely
it's
not
going
to
be
me,
but
yeah
and
I'm
also
advocating
to
have
someone
to
need
the
project
infrastructure
chapter
So.
Currently
there
is
no
project
infrastructure
committee,
chair
or
whatever
in
the
CDF,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
need
to
introduce
there
all
right,
yeah,
sorry
for
sequence,
to
another
topic.
A
B
From
the
CDF
okay,
great
because
yeah
I've
been
communicating
to
the
CDF,
but
I
guess
I
could
do
better
job
for
me
eating
it
in
the
opposite
direction
too.
But
I
like
that
topic
added
yeah.
B
So
by
the
way
the
term
of
project
Representatives
was
extended
until
2023,
so
I
will
be
on
the
QC
for
another
year.
Good
I
cannot
say
the
same
for
the
governing
board,
because
my
governing
board
seat
is
related
to
the
TOC
chair
status
and
I'm,
not
sure
I
will
participate
in
elections
in
August.
B
A
B
To
some
extent
it's
me
but
yeah,
it's
just
provisionally
and
well
well
in
my
TVC
chair
mm-hmm,
and
it's
not
like
I,
don't
want
I,
don't
want
to
continue
it
right
now.
B
C
A
B
So
for
that
we
can
create
multiple
charters
on
the
CD
of
Oblivion,
oh
one
problem
and
that
so
I
got
an
update
from
my
Michelle
that
they
will
be
soon
moving
to
the
Enterprise
account.
So
the
current
limitations
won't
apply
and
then
being
so
that
on
Bay
will
be
able
to
do
almost
everything,
including
streaming
to
YouTube.
B
No,
no
for
webinars.
Definitely
we
cannot
move
to
bed
because
you
cannot
easily
host
webinarsome
by
then
I
tried
two
and
I
felt
this
obesity
of
baby.
Sorry.
C
I'm
I'm
having
trouble
with
your
audio
you're
saying
we
can't
move
to
Bevy
or
we
are
moving
to
Bevy.
B
So
we
can
cannot
move
to
baby
for
webinars
at
the
moment
because
we
like
features
but,
for
example,
for
special
interest
group
meetings.
Okay,
you
can
totally
host
them
on
video
at
the
moment
and
if
needed,
we
can
create
multiple
chapters
for
Jenkins,
so
that
the
chapters
don't
overlap
with
each
other.
Okay,
so.
B
Well,
chapters
are
basically
meetup
groups,
yes,
so
you
you
can
have
well
similar
to
the
continue.
B
I
already
checked
it
with
Roxanne
and
Michelle,
so
they
are
fine
with
that,
because
we
just
have
one
experimental
chapter
at
the
moment
and
later
we
can
introduce
multiple
ones
so,
while
at
the
correct
link
to
Previa,
but
yes,
if
someone
wants
to
try
it
for
a
particular
chapter,
we
can
get
it
configured.
B
B
Unfortunately,
the
Linux
Foundation
is
not
very
open,
so
let's
see
where
it
goes,
but
yeah
the
ultimate
interaction
between
perfectly
that
we
make
all
these
resources
as
open
as
possible.
Foreign.
A
A
B
A
B
So
yep
I'm
waiting
for
permissions
on
for
myself,
okay,
but
yeah
fatigue
got
permissions
already,
so
he
can
help
us
but
yeah
right
now,
it's
summer
vacation
period.
So
everything
is
a
bit
slow
in
Europe
right.
C
Anything
else
on
action
items
I
was
thinking
about
how
we
can
spend
money.
I
do
I
mean
I
talked
to
Mark
about
it,
and
I
still
want
to
write
up
a
proposal,
but
I
do
think.
We
should
hire
a
tech
writer
to
come
in
and
clean
up
and
move
remove.
Some
of
the
blue
ocean
references.
That's
literal
over
the
place
as
it's
starting
to
become
a
very
bad
experience
for
end
users,
but
I
want
to
write
I'll
write
up
a
proposal
at
some
point
for.
A
B
Gavin
so
maintain
our
company
to
clean
up
these
leaks.
A
I've
started
that
with
Kevin
Martins,
so
Kevin
Martens
is
a
writer
who's,
who's
helping
and
is
employed
by
cloudbees,
and
he
and
I
are
planning
that
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
will
move
as
fast
as
what
Gavin
would
like
to
do.
But
yeah,
Kevin
and
I
are
talking
about
it.
B
A
Yeah,
and
that,
for
me,
is
a
conversation
we
should
host
in
the
in
in
other
channels.
I'm,
not
sure
governance
is
the
place,
because
I
have
I,
have
a
pretty
strong
personal
opinion
I
like
it
a
lot
for
the
the
pipeline,
visualization
I
know
Gavin
has
the
other
other
feeling
he
would
just
soon
it
not
be
there
for
anything
and
I
understand
that
no.
B
A
B
Yeah
speaking
of
that,
how
is
teams
plug-in
doing
I
mean
pipeline
viewer
plugin,
which
was
supposed
to
replace
blue
ocean
I
lost
the
track
of
it.
A
All
right
next
topic
was
a
trademark
usage
request,
I'm
just
going
to
open
up
the
message
from
the
to
the
governance
board
so
that
everybody
can
see
the
the
text.
This
was
what
was
the
question
was
raised
by
nakazato
takayoshi
of
luminous
Productions
and
in
the
English
text
it
says:
hey,
they're,
they're.
Speaking
at
a
conference,
a
Microsoft
sponsored
session
of
a
conference
they'd
like
to
use
the
Jenkins
logo
in
the
presentation
materials.
A
Now,
as
far
as
I
see
from
their
usage
in
the
materials,
it's
it's
not
actually,
something
that
should
require
a
branding
or
a
trademark
usage
authorization,
because
they're
they're
not
doing
anything
that
would
confuse
the
Jenkins
brand
I
wanted
to
double
check
is,
is
my
interpretation
correct
or
is
there
something
more
I
need
to
be?
We
need
to
be
considering
there
on
this
request.
A
B
Of
all,
your
interpretation
is
completely
correct
for
this
request.
There
should
be
no
approval
and,
secondly,
the
Jenkins
Community
doesn't
longer
make
approvals
for
the
trademark
usage.
We
transfer
to
that
trademark.
I
believe
the
guidelines
have
been
updated
so
that
people
should
comply
with
Linux
Foundation
trademark
usage
guidelines,
so
I
actually
Wonder
from
where
this
request
actually
came.
A
Yeah
and
I
suspect
it's
just
that
they
probably
did
not
bother
to
read
the
they
probably
did
not
read
the
material
here
right.
So
if
the
the
phrase
here,
if
you're
still
in
doubt,
contact
the
board-
but
in
this
case
they
don't
match
any
of
the
other
conditions
right
in
this,
they
are
not
they're
not
using
the
mark
in
a
way
as
part
of
their
own
trademark
or
brand
identifier
they're,
just
not.
C
C
A
B
So
I
think
that
well
for
this
particular
case,
yeah
please
go
ahead,
do
not
bother
and
you
may
need
something.
We
need
to
think
about
how
to
work
it
better.
A
Right:
okay,
good
so
can
reply
to
the
requester,
so
Mark
replied
to
request
that
no
approval
is
needed,
encouraged
to
use
to
use,
use
attribution
per
the
guidelines.
A
All
right
next,
one
then
was
I.
I
need
some
guidance
on
responding
to
General
requests
to
the
board,
so
the
Google
group
is
intentionally
not
public,
and
that's
that's
intentional,
because
if
there
are
conflicts
or
things
that
need
to
be
handled
privately
by
the
board,
it
should
be
private.
So
that's
expected.
A
However,
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
reply
to
the
group
does
it
go
back
to
the
submitter
or
no
it's
just
to
those
who
are
already
subscribers
to
the
group.
It.
C
Only
Clyde's,
the
one
that
you
specify
so
by
default,
I
believe
the
reply
to
is
the
submitter,
but
it
if
you
reply
to
just
a
group,
it
won't
go
to
the
user
to
submitted
it.
Okay
and
that's
the
same
with
every
other
mail
list.
D
The
only
difference,
the
only
thing
that
depends
on
the
configuration
of
the
specific
mailing
list
is
what
happens
when
you
press
reply
some
lists.
Would
you
have
reply
to
the
original
sender,
while
other
lists
will
have
you
reply
through
to
the
list
yeah,
and
this
is
just
the
default,
but
your
what
you're
sending
is
up
to
you.
Yeah.
C
B
A
Okay,
you
just
said
something
very
important
because
I
usually
reply
through
the
web
interface,
and
so
what
I
should
typically
is
rather
reply
through
my
email,
client.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
B
D
Good
and
there
is
one
additional
complication
there,
and
that
is
people
who
configure
their
domain
to
have
SPF,
because
the
problem
is,
if
someone
sends
an
email
to
him
to
the
mailing
list.
The
mailing
list
resends
the
same
email
to
all
of
the
mailing
list,
members
and
with
a
domain
doing
email
validation.
D
That
would
fail
because
obviously
Google
is
not
whatever
your
Webmail
provider
is,
if
you
send
an
email
to
a
list,
and
so
Google
Groups
will
rewrite
the
sender
to
say
name
via
Jenkins
board
and
the
sender
email
address
will
actually
be
the
board
email
address
and
you
need
to
look
into
the
at
the
original
email
headers
find
out
who
actually
sent
the
email.
So
that
might
be
an
additional
complication.
A
D
C
D
Okay,
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
using
Gmail
for
your
own
email,
okay
I,
don't
know
how
that
works.
I
I,
don't
for
a
bunch
of
stuff
that
I'm
a
member
of
in
Google
Groups
and
it's
a
mess
I
see.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
okay,
so
thanks
Daniel
next
topic
was
how
to
handle
requests
like
the
NetApp
compliance
survey
and
I.
Think
there.
The
answer
was
reply.
Oh,
like
you
had
said,
you
would
you'd,
send
a
reply
to
them.
I
made
the
mistake
when
they
sent
the
second
request.
I
sent
another
reply,
but
I
didn't
make
it
visible
to
the
board
at
all,
and
so
is
it
best
to
reply
in
a
way
that
board
members
can
see?
Yes,.
B
A
A
B
B
Was
better
than
some
tweets
but
okay,
okay,.
A
A
Yeah
excellent,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
So
then,
now
Daniel
noted
that
hey
trademark
usage
requests
in
general,
don't
go
to
the
board
and
I
think
the
answer
that
Oleg
gave
earlier
is:
we
shouldn't
be
processing,
trademark
usage,
requests
at
all,
because
we've
we've
switched
the
model
to
use
the
Linux
foundation's
trademark
approval
guidelines,
and
so,
and
that
has
been
updated
shouldn't.
So
we
should
not
have
not
should
not
need
to
process
those
kind
of
requests.
B
I
mean
well,
there
is
still
in
the
case
of
adopt
contact,
Jenkins
board
right,
which
is
a
legitimate
case.
I.
Guess,
though,
I
don't
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
it
has
to
be
private
but
yeah.
Otherwise
there
should
be
little
to
no
requests
of
such
kind
right.
Okay,.
A
All
right
and
I
think
the
answer
to
my
next
question:
how
to
handle
code
of
conduct
violation
reports
is
those
are
handled
privately
on
the
mailing
list,
because
it's
only
visible
to
board
members.
The
board
members
can
discuss
it
privately
there
to
decide
what
action
should
be
taken
or
not
taken.
If
someone
says
hey,
there's
this
code
of
conduct
violation,
that's
occurred.
A
B
A
Otherwise,
yes,
right
that
makes
sense
happens
regarding
another
board
member.
A
Okay,
next
topic,
the
embeddable
build
status,
plug-in
Daniel
had
reported
this
actually
detected
that
they're
using
a
proprietary
font
and
there's
been
a
solution
proposed
here
in
this
issue.
Report
and
I
think
I
can
open
that
yeah.
So
so
it
looks
like
it's
a
relatively
straightforward
thing
if
we
want
to
retain
embeddable
build
status
as
far
as
I
understand
it,
the
maintainer
is
not
active
on
this
plug-in.
So
if
someone
else
wants
to
maintain
it,
they
could
take
this
step.
A
If
we
don't
get
a
maintainer
I
guess
then
the
choices
are.
Is
it
easier
to
adopt
it
or
easier
to
to
delist
it
I.
C
Think
it's
suspended
it's
it's
a
violation
of
our
guidelines:
non-open
Source,
binary
code.
A
C
B
Well,
but
the
impact
on
the
community
is
quite
high,
so
I
would
advocate,
for
a
fix,
I
mean
the
fix
shouldn't
be
big,
so
you
can
make
a
system
just
to
find
a
maintainer,
so
yeah,
sometimes
I
vote
for
Let,
It,
Burn
approach,
but
I'm,
not
so
unbeatable
build
status
is
the
right
thing.
Taking
the
wide
adoption
has
taken.
The
fact
many
public
tracing
constances
depend
on
this
plugin
for
Pages
Etc.
C
B
A
D
D
Yeah,
so
personally,
I
would
prefer
if
someone
would
step
up
and
fix
it,
because
the
plugin
is
installed
on
CI
Jenkins
IO
and
while
there
are
plans
to
migrate
away
from
it,
I
mean
I
spent
the
time
to
fix
three
vulnerabilities
in
this
plugin
because
of
it
a
few
weeks
ago.
So
I
would
rather
this
not
be
a
way,
have
been
a
waste
of
time
right.
A
So
and
I
think
I
think
I'm
interested
actually
in
adopting
another
one.
So
this
is
not
one
that
scares
me
too
badly.
I
think,
let's
look
for
the
I
believe
the
position
is
correct.
That
Gavin's
noted
we
should
either
correct
the
issue
or
suspend
it
and
let's
look
what
if
we
give
ourselves
two
weeks
and
if
we
can
get
a
maintainer
in
the
next
two
weeks,
great,
let's
get
that
maintainer
online,
then
we'll
discuss
it
again.
Next
meeting.
C
I
I'm
on
the
firm
believer
that
unless
something
is
fixed,
it's
not
fixed
so
I'm,
okay,
delaying
it
two
weeks,
but
I
think
we
should
send
out
a
mailing
list.
Item
right
now
and
say
will
be
suspended
in
two
weeks.
And
if
someone
wants
to
step
up
and
maintain
it,
that's
fine,
but
it
will
be
suspended
in
two
weeks.
A
It's
a
good
compromise
Okay.
So
so
is
this
a
let's
see
the
suspend
process
really
is
a
licensed
thing.
So
it's
not
a
security
thing,
so
it
doesn't
come
from
the
security
team.
So
is
it
something
should
come
in
my
voice
or
somebody
else
on
the
board.
C
A
A
B
B
It
was
in
just
half
a
year
ago.
There
is
still
a
lot
of
things
to
be
done,
but
it
devolves
in
a
right
Direction.
B
So
one
of
important
topics
is
that
period
has
applied
for
the
CDF
membership.
So
it's
a
distributed
back.
Artificial
delivery
manager,
this
red
hat,
canonical
and
yeah
pretty
surprised.
B
I
guess
you
spelled
it
right
and
I
pronounced
troil
yeah,
so
it's
different,
centralized
package
network,
so
there
will
be
presentation
soon,
but
it
looks
like
this
project
is
getting
colder
in
quite
support.
B
There
are
also
some
discussions
about
other
projects
to
join
the
CDF,
so
stay
tuned.
But
yes,
some
things
are
changing
today
in
a
positive
direction.
B
Another
thing
which
is
important
for
the
Jenkins
communities
to
see
the
events
so
CD
events
is
marshalled
towards
version
1.0,
sorry
0.1
release
sometime
in
autumn
and
also
with
this
dedicated
the
POC
budget,
to
support
some
initiatives
in
the
project
and
actually
also
writing
documentation
or
maybe
doing
some
developer
tools
for
CD
events.
There
are
two
projects
considered
right
now
and
yeah.
Basically,
yeah
we
had
a
short
presentation
at
the
city
economies,
but
actually
what
we
need
is
probably
CD
events.
B
The
was
a
number
of
contributors
reaching
out
in
the
menu
list,
so
I
will
try
to
help
this
topic
to
happen,
but
yeah.
The
main
question
is
whether
somebody
is
interested
to
consume
CD
events,
because
now
we
have
a
demo.
This
Captain,
this
demo
works.
B
But
yeah
the
question
is
any
other
Jenkins
adopters
would
like
to
adopt
City
events
too.
At
the
moment.
A
I
think
his
initial
discussion
was
adopting
the
initial
events
plug-in
work
that
Trudy
had
done
as
part
of
Google
summer
of
code
and
then
considering,
replace
or
or
extend
it
to
you
to
support
the
City
events.
Specification.
B
Maybe
just
the
place
and
everything
by
support
of
CB1
specification
because,
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
think
it
makes
much
sense
to
maintain
the
current
format
right
now,
because
it
was
experimental
anyway,
but
yeah.
It's
so
I
had
the
initial
introductory
discussion,
but
okay.
So
what
else
is
going
on
on
the
CDF?
So
there
is
a
new
chair
of
the
Outreach
committee
again
from
jfrog,
so
jfrock
is
basically
doing
a
serious
investment
uptick
in
the
continuous
delivery,
Foundation
efforts-
and
it's
great.
B
So
basically,
there
is
a
lot
of
things
going
on,
including
the
ambassador
program
updates.
I,
get
I
hope
every
ambassador
of
of
the
EU
cohort
received
the
schwag
Etc
and
there
will
be
some
more
activities
happening
around
it,
including.
B
And
yeah
another
important
topic,
I
already
wrote
up,
is
project
infrastructure.
B
Whatever
Committee
in
the
CDF,
because
right
now
there
is
no
entity
that
would
handle
project
infrastructure
and
what
I
want
to
be
doing
for
is
seven
a
kind
of
group
that
will
be
led
by
a
Linux
Foundation
employed
program
manager
to
actually
gets
public
Cloud
access
sorted
because
it
blocks
at
least
four
projects
in
the
CDF
I
mean
they
explicitly
asked
for
some
public
Cloud
transfers,
Etc,
including
Jenkins,
so
yeah
I
think
it's
important
topic,
and
once
it
starts
I
guess
for
them
and
forever.
It
would
be
interesting
to
participate
there
right
now.
B
A
Okay
last
topic
then,
was
meeting
time
one
hour
earlier,
Gavin
noted
that
it
would
be
a
little
easier
for
him
if
we
we
had
two
slots
this
slot,
that
we're
in
right
now
and
the
one
previous
where
the
one
previous
was
a
could
do
it
for
one
other
person,
I
forget
who
so
Evelina
Oleg
in
particular,
I,
actually
specifically.
C
If
it
was
a
feasible
option,
the
thing
is:
I'm
I'm,
either
gonna
just
miss
the
next
one
or
I'll
I'll
do
the
next
one
I'm
starting
a
new
team
on
the
first
and
I
was
gonna,
wait
till
after
the
first
before
I
made
any
suggestions
on
trying
to
change
the
time
yet
again,
and
especially
because
we
just
changed
it
like
six
times
in
the
last
month,
so
I'm
in
the
thing
of
just
leaving
it
for
this
for
the
next
meeting,
and
probably
the
one
after
that,
okay
but
yeah.
This
is
not
ideal
time.
A
A
C
I
don't
know
if
he
wants
to
talk
about
it
at
all
and
I
don't
have
links,
but
the
other
ones
I'm
thinking
about
are
there's
a
call
out
for
devops
world
I
think
talks
from
Alyssa
I.
Don't
have
the
link
open
right
now,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
I
want
to
write
it
up.
There
are
a
number
of
issues
with
blue
ocean,
especially
with
the
last
update,
something
with
I.
Think
Jax
B
made
some
of
the
docker
images
break.
C
It
was
mostly
because
it
wasn't
up
the
docker
image,
wasn't
updating
the
plugin,
but
it
is
something
that
we
saw.
A
number
of
people
saying
me
too
me
too.
B
C
And
I
think
that's
just
a
nature
of
the
docker
images
using
ref
and
not
actually
forcing
baked
in
plugins
over
right.
What
was
that?
What
was
already
there?
But
that's
yeah.
So
there's
a
couple
of
threads
with
that.
There's
a
mailing
list
in
the
dev
mail
list
about
GitHub
versus
jira.
Again,
it's
not
gonna
end
anytime
soon,
but
it
is
a
topic.
That's
well
discussed.
C
C
I,
don't
know
how
to
call
I
know.
Daniel
and
I
have
had
troubles
where
plugins
have
Incorporated
dependencies
from
GitHub,
which
are
non-accessible
anonymously.
You
have
to
sign
in
and
use
a
GitHub
token,
so
we
might
want
to
have
an
official
policy
about
that.
Sometimes,
like
don't
do
dependencies
from
GitHub.
C
So
the
jfrog
and
Maven
Central
and
artifactory
all
like
the
Jenkins
Central
or
whatever
Jenkins
artifactory,
none
of
those
required
logins.
So
you
anyone
could
fetch
them
but
anyone's
using
GitHub
package
repos
any
of
the
package
reachables.
You
have
to
be
logged
in
to
be
able
to
download
things.