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Regular Jenkins Governance meeting.

* Recent news and updates
* Windows support policy, final approval
* Promoting AWS sponsorship post
* Aligning Jenkins with CDF project graduation criteria
* Jenkins project funding updates

Full agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Nr8QpqYgBiZjORplL_3Zkwys2qK1vEvK-NYyYa4rzg/edit?ts=5ed8016f#heading=h.ele42cjexh55

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Be recorded so welcome to the Jenkins governance meeting today is a June 3rd, so we have a number of items to discuss today and thanks to one for joining this meeting. So please set yourself to at least.

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The discussion so I suggest we follow the agenda we set up during the previous meetings, so just news when topics suggested by contributors and yep after that. If we have time we can discuss more items and if you have a topic, you would like to suggest just put it in the bottom of the list.

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So let's start from update, so the first update is about York's hot rest. So if you yeah, we had one last week during this hot fest, we had actually 54 contributors and we needed a major progress with user documentation and with some stories related to changes, user interface, so particularly achievements that we have released preview for Jenkins on the system configuration. So you can find the information in this blog post, so it announces.

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They feature premiere availability and usually the hot fest was a lot of user experience, testing bug fixes, and that is still a lot of follow ups, but the future looks fitting boot and hopefully we will be able to release it SG in the next LCS cycle, so with September as et. So, thanks to everyone who contributed to this story, there was a lot of progress there.

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The second related topic is Jenkins, dark theme. So again we have created a review basically from stretch which offers a new theme for Jenkins and, moreover, we defined foundation for both teams extensibility. So the most of the code. Isn't this theme itself but rank score changes which are yet to be released in the weekly release, which is getting delayed?

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We'll talk about that, but yeah, the team itself is really small, gets bigger, but still it's much smaller than all the way existing things, and hopefully we will be able to get it again to G here, maybe within a few months, so other hot fest achievements for code include.

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We had a good progress with configurations tables to dissemination, test and testers for the dishes, and in addition to that, we had improvements in different stories, for example, new user interface and scripts security plug-in, which is currently pending review, say my in folder authorization strategy, that is new user interface, and they were a lot of small stories he and their example by the credentials, navigation, some plug-in management, UI, etc, etc. We will be posting a blog about that soon and if you interest, you can find their major stories here.

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We publish from published all materials from the hottest older game and you can watch the recording or whichever side they can PDF also for documentation may be a mark. You would like to quickly summarize that yeah.

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So we had 40 plus pages, contributed a bunch of wiki migration changes that were made wonderful outcome from those wiki migration changes, plugins migrated from using wiki based Docs to documentation as code good step. This was also our first experience with using github issues instead of using our own JIRA site and github issues have been a smashing success. It's been absolutely wonderful, working with them.

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The doctor solutions, page has and updated, and we've had really good good story overall, with documentation improvements, still a number of things to review, still lots of reviews needed and more pages that need to be considered and planned for yep, but we'll.

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Get there and thanks to mark for driving this effort, because we were reviewing statistics a while ago in May, we received something like 120 20 requests to Jenkins ion and it's three times bigger than average. For so so yep thanks a lot mark can beat him forehand in bed.

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Okay, we also had some highlights regarding spread the word, so we had a number of knowledge transfer sessions which also recorded and published very well a lot of nice to meet Bike Fest participants and we'll keep doing so same for Jenkins. It's the way we DC number of stories, and also we launched Jenkins comics thanks to comic strip and contributors at the box and l3c who helped with initial reviews. So yep we've got beautiful good results from the hog fest. We still need to publish a blog posts, etc bothered.

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So we started working on that, but I think it was a great event and it helped us to drive the Jencks roadmap in the critical studies we have already identified.

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Okay, any comments or questions I guess it's only Alex on the call who didn't participate.

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I'd like to give a huge shout out to everybody shout out to her as.

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You can say now I feel bad.

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No wow just call them out already geez. No, we will.

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Organize another hug fest specially vorlix.

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Let's see yes, speak on the hog test bills, then a poll among participants asked what would be the top three things which could improve user experience. We got a nice feedback, there, I didn't treat pipeline visualization and a few other bits, so we will be processing this feedback and publishing. So definitely there is good opportunities for few other events.

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So any comments I.

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Guess not so yeah this pentomino, so redundant links configuration here slip cover data, dark team cover that another highlight which yellow light we hurt is dinky central outage yesterday.

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So why I bring it up there because there is still some consequences. We need to figure out. So you can find the summary from olivier in this list and yeah thanks a lot olivier to team gherkin to marquee to Danielle back and other contributors who were troubleshooting that and getting back to the stable state.

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So we have the infrastructure mostly restored, although there are some issues which we will need to figure out, for example, where we lost history of Jenkins accounts database for something like three months, so we follow up on that, but in general the instances, but no, no so far. So there are some issues because some contributors may have lost access. We will need to restore that. We will need to figure out how to notify them, etc, etc, but yeah for the information of the governance port. This topic is.

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Any comments, questions.

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Kevin Hill, let's move on so the next one is quick, jae-seok update, so we have started becoming their coding phase right now or the lists nothing really surprising cone expected. So all projects are ready to coding all projects have enough information, students, knowledge transfers. They go to the required permissions and they're ready to iterate. Can we have six projects which are focused on Jenkins one project which is focused on Jenkins X, and we have already had a number of prototypes being presented so, for example, github checks, a PRA and external and projects distribution build service.

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They have been presented during the Yerkes hot fest. Again, you can find the recordings here so recorded sessions. You can just find them on the website or on the Jenkins online Meetup. We also have prototypes for a few other projects, so they going pretty well, let's see what the first coding face brings. So as always in the engine, we will have them as hopefully, all projects will present them.

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Ok, so any other news we didn't cover.

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So you didn't mention google season of docs in the agenda in the news updates. Maybe that is one worth at least noting that we are an approved project in google season of docs and we're looking forward to a ruinous that we are about to enter the phase where the candidates prepare their proposals.

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And then we have firming candidates, result in the mailing list or in either child. So, for example, if you go here, you can find there is a number of applications.

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From newcomers, some of these contributors have already submitted pull requests as a part of population. Some beavers participated in the URLs hard first, so it's going pretty well, let's see what it will be: the results, but okay, I'm, pretty confident that you have maintained its program and let's see what you could get more.

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If anything else, we mission come to list.

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Yeah one thing: the Jenkins LCS release candidate so.

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We had a slight delay in the but poor thing, but right now it's here. So if you're interested in but poor thing enter the next obvious baseline, you can find a pull request right on dredging, say: oh sorry, on the drink is github repository.

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So two other proposals on the discussion and if you see anything else missing just comment, so we have switched to the open discussion process for both ports using penalties. Before now we use github, but everybody is welcome to join and make suggestions.

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So pretty much the same for weekly releases, so jenkees weekly release has been key. Wait. You ain't takin the status of the infrastructure. It may be delayed until the next weekend, so I'm, not 100%, sure about that maybe mark. Maybe you have some information.

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I believe the weekly is in process of execution right now and it's in my hands to pick it up, and so so so we're doing creature. That's that's my understanding. I haven't checked through the VPN to see its current status. That's I just wrote myself a card that reminds me to check for 2.2 39 s, progress in the in the job right now and I'll have to do that after this meeting. Oh.

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Thanks a lot for doing that, so unless we hit unexpected issues with infrastructure, everything should be okay. Okay, thanks mark.

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We place it to other topics: yes, okay, so I'm bringing back the topic about Windows support policy. So I know that we approved the last meeting, though there were some developments during the review.

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The only notable development except edits in wording etc is support for Windows 10. So originally it was suggested to be. Did one full support, but yeah we're legit I made comments from James, not that we actually have no testing for that at the moment and that our level one was about definition, explicitly states that we run automated testing. So after this discussion, windows 10 was pushed to a level 10 and Alex was talking about setting up something so to make it testing yeah.

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I have a went, an agent that we can use on a sure, there's, there's not the capability of doing it on AWS because of the licensing issues, but a sure provides a base image that you can build on.

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So I basically took the template that we had for the windows 2019 server and in our Packer images for pas story and I created a Windows 10 version of that they uses the windows, 10 base, image and installs the same utilities, OpenSSH, etc, so that we should be able to use open era, windows 10 on a juror as an agent.

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And Alex, how do you envision referencing that, then we would explicitly ask for wind 10 as a label, something like that. Yeah.

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So the label I put onto it is wind 10. So that's that was just a label I put on it. Now, if we need to, we can change that and so that it's available I haven't tested it a bunch because I just I am at the opportunity, but it's something we can test.

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This approach is acceptance test harness because yeah definitely we can run a commonly built unit test, functional tests on Windows 10, but are we willing to run acceptance test harness there and I will willing to set it as a criteria?

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We should be able to run everything, I mean it's just whether Java runs on the right I, don't think, there's anything specific to the server OS in the accept acceptance test, harness.

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Specific except duration, so our current situation that basic the acceptance test harness has been run by a red-hot refer to this committee testing. So if you want to set expectation that we can run a full test cycle for LCS release, then we need to figure out how we run it on Windows, 10.

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I, don't have strong opinion about setting it as a strict requirement and yeah I'm. Also I also don't have a strong opinion about Windows 10 as yeah.

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I mean I, think more commonly people would use Windows 10 as an agent system, in my opinion, but who knows right? You know whenever I say things like that: I'm always surprised at what people end up using on where so I.

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Don't I don't see much difference to the users in terms of tier 1 versus tier 2. They they, it runs. Tier one has automation in it and that I think I liked it. It includes a th. That's that's!

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Nice I would not object personally if it just stayed as tier 2, I'm delighted that Alex use you've invested in creating a win, 10 tech out infrastructure- that's really great, but given the eight hour execution time right now for exceptions, test harness on CIO Jenkins that IO I'm not sure when a lobby that we increase putting more things on to that.

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Yeah I just wanted to make it available in case it was a low effort thing to create it. So I figured I'd make it available, and if we want to use it, we can we don't have to use it, but it's there.

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Would definitely make sense so if we have an opportunity, at least for functional tests for stable branches? Yes, of course, we don't have to make it as a part of any pull request run because I don't actually expect any practical difference for 99 percent of tests we have, but if you could enable it as a part of LCS check, I'm close one.

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Yeah I, like that, I I I, agree with you wholeheartedly that I don't want it being included in pull request evaluation, increasing the load on on pull requests. The other is with the licensing concern. If it's sounds like it's as your specific and if we need to host infrastructure agents on AWS more strongly, the adjure, as your specific licensing limitation, be a difficulty to overcome.

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We could pretty much migrate any of the windows, 2019 or Linux agents to completely be on AWS in terms of the VM based agents. We slow the CIA agents on Azure, but we can eventually, hopefully move those over to ECS, and then that would significantly we can reduce our costs on edge or even more by just running things that can only run on Azure manager got it.

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If this thing right, good.

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Good point, thank you, especially if you fix ec2 plugin. So it's on my list for June I'm, not happy about stability and yeah, thanks out to mark 450 she's, almost on a daily basis,.

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Okay, so yeah I think we agree that we want to use this opportunity and to run it. What do we do about the support policy.

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Do we want to publish it as tier two or do we want to delete, have tests established and published this tier one I.

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Say for Windows 10 is that what you're asking for specifically yes I would say is tier 2 because we don't have a tested agent right now, it's available, but it's not like fully tested and stuff like that. So if we do decide to keep you know to use that agent, we could move it to tier one saying we're running tests on it and- and things like that, but I think leaving it at tier 2 is perfectly fine.

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And you can sense about that. Tier.

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2 and publish because I like having this the support policy published.

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Okay, then, okay.

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Nobody again is, it means.

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Okay, then I will just measure the poor request after the meeting okay, the next topic, so the next topic is promoting EWS sponsorship post as Jumbotron, so just provide you context. There was recently blog post by AWS about white drinking still contains the surfs developers so yeah. It includes some statistics about Jenkins those etc.

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All the inputs information how to actually use Jenkins on a level years.

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Matters with Ebola slander is free and other components, and also a reference to Jenks project running infrastructure named WS, so mmm I wonder what if we would be interested to take this part highlight it is Jumbotron and referenced. This blog post.

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Really, like the graphs they did with everything is happened to the right.

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Yeah Italy we need to update, update, starts Jenkins I ought to do these graphs automatically for any visitor, and they do some research by manual Rosanna both say creating. Can you start suicide? So I'm not sure? Where is this research but yeah.

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And I think that would be useful in general.

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So so we're accomplishes Jumbotrons ink around some different. Yes,.

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Yeah I'll probably forwarded to the Jenkins board.

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So there was a question from what sujin contributors interested in hosting apply for AWS credits.

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So I think it's slightly unrelated to this particular blog post, but the amounts are here would be that if you want to apply this feel free to apply the program added for this. So we you can apply on behalf of the project or you can apply individually, so I guess supplying individually as Genki sort of immunization violetta get sponsorship. It was handled in a slightly different way, but we have a confirmed sponsorship by a double years and it's $5,000 per month on sixty GPA. So we already have this sponsorship and yeah.

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There was some ongoing discussion about how to manage permissions there and all he is working on that. But we've already got sponsorship. If you want to apply for individuals, credits and then you can use this form and to ask for one and.

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Like with this I, wasn't aware of this, it glad you've shown it. So would this conceivably be something that a documentation person might use to get access to a kubernetes cluster, with using AWS credits to allow them to host their own small cluster.

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Can answer the question.

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Yeah what you just got! Example, you gave you are correct. Somebody could do that for like for docs. For that again great name: okay,.

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So it's a because I don't have a kubernetes cluster tribute, leave a little for him personally and so I'd have to rely on somebody to sponsor it. That's that's great! Thank you. Okay, so.

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I guess that's it with this question what it.

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Doesn't answer the question? Yes, it answers. I think you're clarifying basically I wanted to know if individual contributors for Jenkins project, especially for G Google, sees no dogs. Should they worry about funding, and should they take some actions.

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For google season of dogs sing for google season of code Summer of Code, we handled that well, so what that means? So, if you need specific and research to work on your project, please contact orchid means and what they will help you vote for, google season of dogs. The project starts in September, so before September. If you need special infrastructure yeah, it would be good to ask for credits. For example, we had such cases.

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This is some of g-shock projects. If you ask for credits, you know what to get them for variation. If you are working on a bigger project which needs something as a Jenkins contributor. Yes, we can discuss that and wait. We will be talking about funding, which is mostly related to the topic, because a if you want to spend money, you need to get money first and we'll talk about that for a time. Thank.

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You to also add, on the word all excel in terms of google season or docked for arguments before the admins, for this season are all again myself.

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Okay, so let's move on then okay, so the next project is about dedicated projects in congedo foundation, so we have Dan Lawrence on the call, so probably then could cover this topic and do some quick introduction sure.

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Thanks for telling hear me yes,.

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So thanks for inviting me here today so I'm, a software engineer at Google and I'm also currently the chair of the technical oversight committee for the continuous delivery foundation, the cdf I recently replaced TK in this role, who was the TOC chair for the first year as part of the first year, the CBF we worked to establish criteria for projects that are members of the foundation and the initial set of projects were all that were all donated, including jenkins, I'm replaced in the incubating category.

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While we came up with criteria and process for moving things along on the different stages. So at this point we're pretty happy with the graduated stage criteria and we're hoping to move the Jenkins project, since it's clearly mature and ready to be graduated through this as kind of a test of the process and then we'll start on the rest of the projects. So we've been working with Oleg to kind of find any clear things in the documentation and I'm, not sure that it all makes sense for a successful project like Jenkins.

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So this is what we have so far I'm only with you I hope. Just identify some issues here that we think we've all been corrected at this point, yep.

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So if you follow the DFT remaining list, there would be some topics discussed, for example, compliance. So this is what we are already working now on in the Jenkins project. You can find some references in the mailing list next right now, James project was at 88% compliance we, but this will be addressed. There are some process issues here, for example, related to governance, references to public list of adopters, which we will need to figure out, but all of them may seem to be of other processes than technical blockers.

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Awesome and they I see traces on the car too, but you know the goal here is to just help out the Jenkins project um with and if marketing and other types of resources, as we announced this graduation I'm, ensure like Jenkins, is an examples of don't really well run open source projects that we're using as a model for others.

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Yet thinks and I think it would be good if we can kind of pencil in a target date for this just I think there's a lot of different folks. We can get focused on this if it's, if we sort of pencil out when it would happen and I'd be inclined to suggest sort of end of July or early August, as as when this would happen, knowing what CDF wants to do and knowing that this is within sight for Jenkins.

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So your fourth of July, my main concern, would be CRA certification, so yeah.

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Yeah on that one I think fifty intent is that just has already met here. I think you've, I, don't think anybody is really in 100% compliance with CII, so I think. The way it's worded is just that you have a badge and I think P. Eighty percent compliance is definitely enough for I. Don't remember the name the nomenclature now at this point, but for one of the CIA badges, so I think you're fine. There already.

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Let's go oh sure, come on in. Do we have to go through any type of special security audit I know the cnc ipods like this, but for the incubation and graduation process they have like special. You have to go through a security audit and publish the findings for that security. Audit.

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Yeah great question: so we decided not to require a security audit for projects, but we are making them available so and recommending them so yeah. If the chinese community or in word, is interested in a security audit, then yeah we can definitely start getting. You know estimates and reaching out to the different security audit firms to figure out. Why would cost and then make sure we fit it into the budget? Yeah.

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So, specifically for CI for security audit. For me, it was one of the reasons why I started the discussion about core infrastructure initiative, because.

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So much initiative assumes that there are some additional funding available from through Linux Foundation and through vendors, which would help with security audit, because security audit for the Jenkins project yeah. First of all, it's just expensive, the project, size, etc. So the easiest way to do that is actually to facilitated through core infrastructure initiative, so yeah the drug companies funding that and there is a history of some programs like census, etc, which were funded by foreign research initiative members. So if you want to secure it, it would be definitely useful for the project.

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Then, once we get pages once we officially become a part of the program, we could try to bid finding that.

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Yeah I'm sure, there's tons of sources for funding we can reach out to through the LF, especially in the security scope. I think the yeah. The first step would be. It I mean correct me if I'm wrong, Tracy, but I think the first step would probably be just for the board to ask the LF to get us some kind of quote for a security audit and then, if it's too much for the CDF budget, we can explore other sources.

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Yeah sounds sounds right: yeah.

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So, for example, for comparison, core infrastructure initiative yeah they did all security audit for kubernetes hundred fifty seven dollars.

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But still just getting into this program, it unlocks resources to do this. Audit and since Jenkins is definitely used by many companies in this list. I think we would have chances of funding, but I.

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That's the whole like the point of CDF. Is it wants the projects that are part of it to succeed and to continuously keep evolving and I? Think there's ever increase like one of the key things at the board level is security and giving the industry confidence for the projects and platforms they use so I think I'm, confident to say this. We can figure this out because it's a key importance.

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Yeah and I, just just wall mall, so here I am interested in you know just hearing any other requests or any other ideas that you all have is the Jenkins forward on things that the CDF TOC can be doing to help.

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Other than just security audits, a great one though I.

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Have one last question and I do thank you for being here Dan as everybody else in terms of the Jenkins code of conduct to me at some point need to have that? Has that been reviewed by the CDF to make sure it's following specific guidelines and I'm also wondering but want to add on to that? Does it even the cedia or does it make sense for the Jenkins product to have a sort of code of conduct committee I just want to make sure those are aligned.

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Sure yeah so I'll, just repeat the two questions: um does the CDF need to review the Jenkins code of conduct to make sure it makes sense? Slash? Has that already happened and then does it make sense for the Jenkins project to have a code of conduct committee and so for the first one Oleg raised this question about there's a couple weeks ago: Henry discussed it and then last toc meeting. But yes, so the CDF does specify that you have to have a code of conduct.

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We have one that we recommend for the CDF which I'm going to mess up the exact version numbers here, but you know the default to cdf recommends a version of the contributor covenant which jenkins also uses a Jenkins just happens to use a different version of it and then, since the CDF picked, that recommended one there's been a few new versions with contributor code of conduct, contributor covenant code of conduct, so we're falling behind a little bit there too. So there were no concerns raised with the one the champions uses.

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We are gonna, do a little bit of digging and to figure out how frequently things should be updated, slash how to keep up with the new versions of this as they come, while still making sure we're reviewing the changes, making sure that they make sense but um yeah so they're, not no issues with the Jenkins one has exist.

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Yes, so yeah I'm, looking for the correct location of code of conduct there without opening Camille, so I can just provide questions because I remember that so.

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You can find code of conduct here. This conduct code of conduct is contributed. Covenant.

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1.3, so this version was published around 2015 and when put of conduct in Jenkins, this fish has been taken as a baseline, CDF uses version 1.4, which is a big new one, and this version covers some needs which are not covered by the Russian. We use right now, for example, it's most pissed about social media resources, etc, and, personally I think that we issued update gingka code of conduct to a new version at the same time.

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What is the new version is an open question, because foundation uses one word form, but the result already version 2.0 on the three better covenant side, which again includes some changes here and there so from the Jenkins standpoint.

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I think that having a discussion about a baking code of conduct would be useful and it basically brings us to the question by market where they need contact time again and therefore this question my personal opinion a bit developer, man at least, and that Jenkins governance meeting is probably enough, but the marquee it would be better to know. What's your opinion about that? Do we need to introduce new.

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Entities etc, I think as long as the as long as we're transparent in what we're doing so. Yes, the developer mailing list should be good. The using this meeting venue to do that would be great and then for any decisions that are made or something that's forwarded from these two venues to the board and then ultimately on to the sea would be good. I just would would ask that we just somewhere it if possible document what we do. So that way, it's clear to everybody and everybody you know which transplant!

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That's that my maintenance to be transplanted with the code of conduct.

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Yeah I think you know, an update here probably makes sense, exactly which version I think we'll leave up to you and the Jenkins committee I think yeah spelled out in all of these. A code of conduct committee does make sense for the CDF. At that level. We just have an email list that goes to a bunch of responsible people.

G

We haven't had to use it yet thankfully, but yeah, and we do want to make it clear that in escalations or your cases were the champions code of conduct committee feels they can't handle something they can reach out to the CDF for more resources. Yeah.

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Right so it was also discussed at this. Talk may be increased so.

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We just found that the foundation or whatever Jacobs project uses governance board as a de-escalation stage and if you could agree, for example, to have a two-level escalation like first think Jenkins board, then second level is a foundation. I think that it will be just the best of both because Jenkins board members can reach out to all sides, try to mitigate it. On the project side, the other contributors involved mitigation and if it's not possible, if content senses cannot be found, then it can be escalated to the CDF I.

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One for that I just want to make sure work, we're somewhere somehow calling that out. So if somebody wants to do something anonymously to feel safe, they know exactly what steps will be, so nothing comes as a surprise to them. How more just want to make sure.

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Yeah, so of course, everything should be public right now everything is actual, so the current process is fully documented on Genki CEO, slash conduct, so Tyler Crowe has defined this project and again it was publicly discussed, was custard, jinx, dominoes meetings and formally approved by the community, so you can find references, and at least that was yeah, so it was former adopted on June first just four years ago, but yeah like because here we would be using the same process for the public discussion.

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If there is consensus at this meeting that we want up great code of conduct, I think that it's a good time to start this discussion.

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Thank you for taking my question.

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Yes, oh yeah, I'll probably just start the discussion unless somebody else wants to take this action item.

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So anything else about this topic.

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Nothing for me, thank you, Jonathan yeah thank.

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You Dan so thanks for having me yeah, I guess the next step for us would be to start this discussion in the mailing lists and basically what we discussed today yeah. We also discussed these days, but this date is fully possible.

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So somebody would need to stop discussion about the CD of aggregation, so Tracy, oh yeah,.

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I find that one to me please.

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So yeah the next topic is about community bridge funding, so I'm just bringing it up again. So there was all discussion, but after that everybody was ve and it just was false for a while. So it was discussed in December and in December the governance meeting. We agreed that it would be great to do something about our funding because it just me status summary.

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So we have two ways of the age of the nation which are officially documented, so one is SPI and for SBA there was agreement that base-pair governs both meeting on llego that wouldn't be in the nation's to the Jenkins project. So the fact that they keep accepting them I guess it's subject to change once the transition from SPI to CDF is completed for the jingus project, but yeah this way is marked, as I would say, unstable another way for the commentation is through ffs, yes ad side, so well.

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This way was documented on the additional weekend. The current state, where that would have her jenkins board member, is working on that. But the current stated that we have no idea whether this wave donation is still active or not. Would he try to contact.

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The site why mail etc, it didn't work, he also sent official email through German post and again we is to have no answer. So this is a safe assumption that even if this way is technically feasible, it's not working, so we probably get rid of that and it leaves us with basically no ways to the name to the jinguk's project. At the same time, we have a good experience of from community bridge last year.

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Definitely we could use some money for sh work and other stuff, so that was a proposal to actually go in this community bridge and there is a prototype set up for the project, so you can find it here. It was basically set up for community pitch mentorship, but it's fully operational right now. It has some funding goals which I completely just once, but we've received a few contributions there, but this way is not documented anywhere, so I've started working on a job draft and I submitted it basically right before the meeting would I have so.

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This job is not in a complete for being published. The opening is a draft, but the main idea of this job would be that let's publish community bridge funding as experimental process- that's a bit jinx, a the name. Documentation to suggest is a way of institution and what's updated, metadata for gingka score and for infrastructure that it would be pointing to community bridge. So I set up what we prototype here in my personal repository. But how look like so? There is a sponsor button which is enabled by finding camel and this fun.

A

Maybe I'm all basically contains two informal entries right now, so it's community by Jenkins, which is which points to community bridge and another being will be pointing to the nation policy right now with just points to Jenks a website. But once Jeff is ready, it would be pointing to Jeb.

A

So basically, it would document how we spent the nation's, etc. So that, and once this file is in place, everybody would see a sponsored button which would be pointing right directly to the community bridge and also to the donation policy. So you click here and you better way to donate and putting target in donations, for example, to documentation or to meetups, and also you would be able to predict donations to do company in the nation's etcetera, etcetera, powered by a community bridge and the community page is basically mimics foundation.

A

So it's a part of the services provided by the Linux, Foundation and so available to project numbers. So this is the summary of what I'm working on but yep. It's not ready for voting right now, but my intention is to just enable it in a few visitors as a prototype and we'd be happy to get feedback.

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C

Like it looked like, you were preparing the prototype that could be potentially eventually applied. Organization-Wide for the entire Jenkins CI organization on github did I understand that correctly. Well,.

A

This is a bit tricky, so, for example, there is no problem where I was applying it to Jenkins and resurrection, because the entire infrastructure is basically controlled by the Jenkins project for Jinxy organization.

A

To be honest, I would rather not enable it globally, okay, because we have plugins etc, being developed by different organizations, different contributors and I'm not sure that everybody to be one percent open, not averaging, is the nation button and forced on them, unless so, it's totally possible to override it by adding your own funding, but even the fact that we force it right by default, maybe not appreciated so taking right now, I'm, not.

A

But I suggest loot for Jenkins core, maybe for the components within the Jenkins ecosystem, but not for the engaging musician got. It.

C

And- and you said, we could conceivably do it for Jenkins infra, but the others would need to opt in. So if, if the ec2 plug-in is, it was an example on the screen earlier. If they said oh, we would like help they they might be able to opt in and.

A

Say basically, if you are plug in the maintainer, you have multiple ways. Firstly, you can just join Jenkins funding and then you can ask for donations for some money. Basically, you can ask it right now, so you know fish you to plug in as I can see that as a part of the Jenkins ecosystem. So you reach out to the developer mailing list. If you want to get some expenses or you can participate in G, so G sold out Ricci we've been proposed projects, so you have access to Jamie's funding right now.

A

But, for example, if you want to stop your own funding due to whatever reason total, they can do that funding yeah. So basically the response er button. There are multiple ways and I wouldn't really like to enforce something.

A

I would rather keep away for users and main teams to define their own funding ways if they want to do, but.

C

Okay, so lots of flexibility great. Thank you very much for the overview. Yeah.

A

So it's a subject for the discussion, but I would rather prefer to keep it to opt in so Marky. What do you think of all that? What would be your preference as they remain here so yeah? You can say that I liked the.

D

Way you described it where people can opt into it. I think that that's probably the best way to do it so.

A

For example, we can see that there are already some more plugins depending funding PMO. For example, we can take a look, localization changes plugins, you point somewhere, okay, but he is basically fine and for the Jenkins Chinese community. Why not pretty much the same, for example, for what's a minute or in plugin I Bislett yeah right now. Basically, it's a github sponsors for plug-in maintenance. Again, why not? So we you can sponsor.

A

Whatever works.

D

Yes, okay, I'm up I'm, not past one.

A

A

Will get a document in the job yeah.

A

For Jenkinson, one of the issues with community be sure that, right now there is no destination for infrastructure. Specifically, we had a meeting with community bridge last autumn when we will discuss on communication, mentorship on name etc, and they said that there is request for enhancements for that which would be delivered soon.

A

So definitely some hasn't come yet, but eventually it would be there and once it's today, of course, we should enable it, but even now what I put in the jet development infrastructure so, for example, development we can use it for finding the attraction needs if needed. Well, it's pretty much the same for documentation, because Jenkins I offer has to be hosted somewhere if you want to shoot the fermentation for run.

A

Firstly, if we go beyond the sponsorship by first again, we could use this money to pay the difference and so on so on so even without infrastructure category we can spend money on infrastructure. Moreover, the current community bridge limitation basically says that whatever you submit money to it still and decision of the recognization how they spend this money, so we are not forced to use that Aziz and right now there is a opportunity to submit money, a result, specific indication so that everybody can use them. But the other thing.

A

And we have awesome $6 for documentation now, which.

C

Is six dollars and more than we've had before so that that you see, that is a bribe yeah.

A

Right so well, this website isn't promoted anywhere and I would say that unless you search for Jenkins funding directly on this website, so right now there is a search button. It wasn't in case three months ago, but even with this search button you have to search for Jing is specifically to find it. So it's not exactly visible until be bigger, added to github sponsors or whatever, but yeah. You can see that some organizations actually raise money quite efficiently, so there are different use cases, of example, keycard, etc. They crowd fund that Ranger.

A

There are two common use cases being promoted by the installation, some other organizations rather targeted sponsorship. So, for example, if you go to open mainframe, you can see that there is wanting to be that which is Linux Foundation, but whatever works.

A

So yeah I think that in our case we can do a combined thing, so we can did use some money. For example, we you can see that right now we have a $3,000 transfer, but basically you just putting money from one pocket to another one, but to find a community bridge, but it technically we are musicians etc. Can also do big, targeted the nations.

A

My games a lot, but if so I'm not asking for approval from a governance meeting top of it now, because it's not ready for Provo but yeah we'll try to get it over the line, maybe next weekend, so that we can finally publish it because we definitely can lose some money and.

C

And you're intending to use the jet process, which feels like a very good organized way to approach the governance. Well,.

A

That's why we have jibs.

A

So any other comments, none.

A

So maybe one topic worth mentioning that basically Jenkins mentorship page is also public. Again they have changed. The website recently saw something some bits broke, but in principle Jenkins mentorship a she's there. So if anybody wants to run mentorship program, we can use that we have some money. Now is Pierre pounds not that much for the record. But if you want to run unpaid mentorship programs, we definitely can do that for paid mentorship programs. We can shake some trees, etcetera and again we can probably do that.

A

So this question has over to be brought up, for example, last week at the harvest. So what do we do with the munition to me their actions, because jay sauter is just one project right now, so this is probably our way to do that.

A

Right now, vacations are closed, but technically we could try to run another session in September wearing that we have enough mentors, which is always a problem.

A

And yeah three men, three sound the call okay, so that's it from me for today there was topic about first thing begins with proprietary libraries I'm, not sure that we want to discuss it now, since we are already over time or should we postpone it till the next meeting. There's a point to the next meeting was one.

C

The next meeting is fine, I assume that that will continue discussion in the in the dev thread. That was in.

A

Yeah but this throat, you know the detective. So then next meeting is June, 17th I guess there was nothing which needs change in this date. So if anybody has been Dwyers about this topic, I get please take a look at that is, there might increase discussion but again I. Don't anticipate any specific actions from the board right now, because our governance policy speak explicit what would be host and what we don't.

A

So, let's see whether we can resolve this topic using various technical solutions which are available and if not yeah, then we can discuss their own meeting.

D

Okay, excellent.

A

So then yeah thanks, oh and sorry, for going over time.

D

People I will see you all online have a good evening have a good day. We see buying.