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From YouTube: Jenkins Governance Meeting November 14, 2022
Description
Jenkins governance meeting with discussions on:
* Combining the concepts of Jenkins subprojects and Jenkins special interest groups into a single concept, "working groups"
* Retire the Chinese localized Jenkins site (outdated, no updates)
* Elections for officers and board members
A
A
C
A
So
thanks
to
to
Basel
for
leading
that
and
to
Tim,
Jacob
and
Alex
brandes
for
making
sure
that
it
happened
all
the
way
to
the
end.
I
haven't
double
checked
the
release
checklist,
but
I
know
that
Tim
created
the
release,
checklist
and
I've,
seen
the
the
release
changelog
and
upgrade
guide
up
here
on
jenkins.io.
As
expected,
I.
A
C
So
like
like
the
menu
drop
down
here,
doesn't
list
blue
ocean.
But
the
page
does
this
blue
ocean
and
whether
or
not
we
want
to
call
Blue
Ocean
a
sub
project
and
then
things
like
Jenkins
x,
because
X
is
not
on
there.
But
I
was
thinking
it
should
be
under
the
CDF
now,
because
it's
it's
pretty
much
unrelated
to
Jenkins
these
days
other
than
by
name.
C
B
Yeah
so
I
had
it
on
my
long-term
wishlist
before
I
went
to
a
kind
of
sabbatical,
but
yeah
I
can
explain
the
status
so
for
sub-project
speech.
Basically,
this
page
is
generated,
monitor
so
for
six
cylindric
page,
it's
generated
automatically
I
wrote
it.
In
example,
when
I
was
in
karma,
When
I
Was
preparing
that,
but
projects
remained
manual,
and
one
of
the
reasons
was
because
somebody
wanted
to
show
Blue
Ocean
highlights
Etc
at
that
page,
despite
the
alphabetical
order,
but
what
we
can
do
at
the
moment.
My
suggestion
would
be.
Kevin
is
right.
B
B
B
Yeah
we
have
never
implemented
that
I'm,
not
exactly
looking
forward
to
implementing
any
code
with
our
struct
these
days,
but
yeah
in
principle.
It
would
make
sense
to
complete
it,
but
I
think
it
should
be
completed
along
with
archiving
connective.
Six
as
well,
because
many
things
like
Cloud
native
one
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
status
of
platform
seek
it's
definitely
around
but
I'm
doing.
Platform
sake
is
very
active.
Yep.
B
A
B
That
are
Chinese
localization
from
what
I
know
is
also
negative
right.
Yeah
I
can
only
ask
Greek,
but
from
what
I
know
they
wanted
to
move
to
the
CDF
level,
the
CDF
level
didn't
exactly
play
the
ball.
So
I
was
the
sponsor.
We
started
it,
but
then
there
was
no
meeting
organized
by
sick
organizers
in
over
two
months.
So
we
kind
of
archived
this
effort,
as
did
an
arrival
but
yeah.
Why
would
our
Cafe
and
drink
it
still.
A
B
C
B
That
feels
like
a
standard
streak.
Okay,
so
I
guess
no
one
would
object.
The
question
is
how
we
archive
it.
So
what
exactly
it
constitutes
because,
for
example,
we
can
remove
this
redirect,
which
has
been
a
pain
for
quite
a
while,
but
whether
we
should
keep
hosting
great,
because
from
what
I
remember,
we
still
hosted
the
site
from
our
infrastructure.
C
B
C
But
to
go
back
because
there
was
a
message
in
chat
about
what
does
removing
James
operator
mean
I
was
proposing
when
I
wrote
this
up.
This
is
a
higher
up,
Mark
higher
up
okay
to
remove
it
from
the
sub
projects
list,
because
I
don't
feel
like
genesis
operator
is
a
sub
project.
It
was
something
that
was
people
were
like
yeah,
let's
make
it
a
sub
project
and
then
it's
always
been
in
its
own
isolated
environment,
which
is
kind
of
what
a
sub-project
seems
to
be
but
same
time.
C
I
I
don't
really
want
to
advertise
it,
because
it's
a
support
nightmare
right
now,
because
no
one's
answering
questions
and
it
does
things
on
its
own
and
it's
using
old
versions
of
Jenkins.
Now
so
again,
these
are
not
so
much
I'm
saying
get
rid
of
the
project,
but
I
don't
want
to
advertise
it
anymore.
B
D
C
Where
code
is
not
responding
and
they
have
pretty
much
insisted
that
they're,
the
only
people
I'm
sorry,
is
it
virtuous
lab
they've
insisted
that
they're,
the
only
people
that
touch
this
operator
we
had
volunteer
and
trying
to
engage
with
the
operator
in
the
past
and
they're
like
no,
we
want
to
take
control
and
then
they
disappear
for
a
year
and
then
the
issue
gets
raised
again
and
then
a
fight
happens
and
then
so
I'm
very
biased
against
this
I.
Don't
I,
don't
like
this
group
right
now,
yeah.
B
C
B
Basically,
when
we
gave
a
trademark
usage
approval
for
joint
separator
and
foreign
part
of
the
discussion
was
that
we
introduced
open
governance
for
the
project
and
at
that
point
the
maintenance
will
open
to
that
give
the
situation
changed
afterwards.
Then
I
don't
know,
I
haven't
been
open
governance
towards
a
kind
of
confirmed.
B
Yes,
then
well
I
burn
out,
then
I
left
Cloud
bees,
so
I
didn't
follow
up
on
that.
But
for
me
there
was
a
confirmation
that
we
proceed
with
open
governments
for
this
project.
These
representatives
from
three
entities,
one
of
the
vendors
potentially
red
hat
and
one
of
drinking's
governance
board's
Representatives.
C
B
A
D
D
B
Okay,
so
my
proposal,
yeah
I,
see
Alicia's
given
I
see,
there
is
no
response,
so
my
proposal
would
be
to
exclusively
say
extend
the
main
thing.
At
least
I
can
probably
create.
This
is
shares
a
board
member,
because
we
had
these
conversations.
I
can
pull
up
the
meeting
notes,
but
for
me
the
suggest
strategy
would
be
to
basically
encourage
adoption
of
this
project,
not
to
kill
it.
B
B
A
Yeah
but
I
think
oleg's
got
a
valid
point
that
it's
worth
considering
the
whole
the
whole
exp.
The
whole
thing,
not
just
the
I
agree,
Jenkins
operator
as
a
sub-project
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
not
active
enough.
Let's,
let's
take
that
action
immediately,
wholehearted
agreement
there,
the
the
bigger
question,
if
it's
not
adopted
archive,
then
archive
it
I
think,
is
worth
carrying
it
Forward
into
future
board
meetings
for
discussion
to
be
sure,
hey.
What's
this,
what's
the
status
from
virtue,
slabs
or
others,
have
we
found
someone
to
adopt
it.
D
E
I
was
looking
at
the
list
of
projects
and
I,
see
remoting
and
configurationist
code
listed
as
well,
and
that
content
on
both
of
them
is
fairly
out
of
date.
For
example,
the
configurationist
code
subproject
has
some
reference
to
a
meeting
that
doesn't
occur
anymore.
So
you
know,
one
thing
I
could
do
is
just
migrate.
E
B
It's
reasonable,
well,
configuration
is
called
it's
development
is
not
detective
at
the
moment.
Well,
core
functionality
is
stable.
There
is,
of
course,
a
lot
of
things
to
happen,
but
and
for
remoting
I
do
not
know
so.
Basically,
I
guess
it's
a
question
to
puzzle
but
I
and
to
just
see
whether
they
want
to
maintain
this
page.
B
So,
basically,
the
whole
point
of
projects
remoting
was
to
list
all
Associated
repositories,
because
it's
not
just
a
Remote
Link
Library.
It's
also
distributions
for
agents
and
installer
models
which
are
now
plugins,
actually
all
right,
friends
so
well
and
see
so
their
plugins.
That
Port
is
archived,
so
it
needs
an
update,
but
yeah
it
could
be
cleaned
up.
I
still
think
it
makes
sense
to
have
it
somewhere
this
listing.
Yes,
it
could
be.
B
E
Yeah
any
meetings
that
no
longer
occur.
Sorry,
any
meetings
that
no
longer
occur
or
mailing
lists
that
are
no
longer
monitored
and
replied
to
I
would
not
want
to
keep.
But
I
I
see
your
point
about
listing
all
of
the
repositories
in
that
in
that
space
in
some
kind
of
list.
You
know
that
that
list
has
slowly
gone
down
a
lot,
because
now
it's
just
promoting
itself
and
a
handful
of
other
repositories
for
the
docker
images
that
that
package
remoting.
E
B
Might
be
so
I
don't
feel
strong.
The
way
to
put
this
content
I
definitely
agree
with
you
that
we
should
remove
the
content
that
is
no
longer
relevant
and
basically,
when
I
was
introducing
metadata
for
main
increase
for
charts,
the
idea
was
to
facilitate
discussions
for
particular
areas
well
and
to
some
extent
it
worked.
But
now,
since
the
many
many
channels
are
no
longer
active,
we
just
need
to
clean
them
up.
C
On
that
note,
if
I
think
well,
okay,
so
a
hypothetical
infra
proposal
I
want
to
make
is
to
spin
up
a
a
Jenkins
Matrix
server
purely
for
name.
Spacing
I
got
a
couple
ideas
a
bit
of
research
and
I
want
to
reach
out
to
a
vendor
for
it.
But
the
idea
Matrix
actually
has
a
concept
of
spaces
which
would
look,
look
essentially
like
Discord
or
slack
workspaces
and
I'll
write
up
a
full
proposal
on
it.
C
So
Mark,
if
you
want
to
just
like
write
a
high
level
stuff
and
I'll,
write
a
proposal
later,
but
the
idea
is
that
we
could.
You
could
tell
people
to
join
a
Jenkins
space
and
that'll
list
all
the
channels
you
can
see.
What's
active,
you
can
see
it's
kind
of
like
what
gitter
has,
but
a
little
bit
more
control
a
little
bit
more,
that
we
have
managed
to
right
now.
Getter
is
kind
of
a
free
form,
so
I'm
gonna
look
into
that
I'm
still.
C
You
know
looking
at
options
and
stuff
like
that
before
making
a
full
proposal,
but
the
idea
is
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
our
chat.
Rooms
are
very
clear
which
ones
are
active,
which
ones
are
not
where
they're
active.
How
they're
active
that
kind
of
thing,
because
we
have
you
know
some
projects
having
get
a
chat
room,
some
having
slacks
some
having
IRC
and
it's
a
mess
and
it's
confusing
and
it's
hard
to
find
and
hard
to
trace
and
I
kind
of
just
want
to
finish
cleaning
it
up.
C
B
So
using
this
course
for
them
is
perfectly
fine
yeah
and
we
can
just
close
guitar,
RC
or
whatever,
and
redirect
people
to
this
course,
where
relevant
and
to
create
Matrix
charts
or
whatever
charts.
Only
for
the
cases
where
there
is
Real
Time
discussion
between
contributors
collaborating
on
the
things.
C
B
B
B
C
C
A
A
B
See
yeah,
okay,
thank
you.
So
maybe
we
should
just.
We
could
just
squash
them
to
working
groups
because
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
how
six
organized
now,
because,
let's
say
the
most
of
six
being
started
now
would
be
just
temporary.
So,
for
example,
Java
19
compatibility
working
group,
which
is
the
kind
of
Under
the
Umbrella
of
platform
seeking
the
common
current
framework,
but
I
couldn't
imagine
starting
a
new
long-term
seek,
which
will
would
first
see
to
be
happening.
B
D
A
C
B
C
C
There
were
things
that
were
talking
about
2020
and
things
were
talking
about
2022
and
who's
active
and
who
wasn't,
and
all
I
was
saying-
is
that
we
need
to
clean
this
up
and
get
it
organized
because
it
when
you
talk
about
things
that
are
two
years
old
and
not
been
updated,
since
it
feels
unmaintained,
okay,
so
but
I
do
like
League's
comment
about
making
more
working
groups.
I!
Think
that's
a
good
one
in
general,.
C
I'm
sorry,
I,
muted,
yeah,
I
I
think
you
got
it
right.
Mark
I
think
that's
what
Mark
and
I
were
talking
about.
I
would
also
like
to
just
specifically
say
any:
if
we're
messing
with
the
navbar
I
want
to
be
tagged
into
PR,
because
I'm
trying
to
make
web
components
for
the
navbar
and
I
want
to
make
sure
they
stay
in
sync,.
C
C
B
B
C
Think
working
groups
calling
them
working
groups
will
help
that
a
lot
because,
as
you're
pointing
out
a
Sig
is
a
long-term
thing.
An
infer
is
always
going
to
be
a
Sig,
but
there
are
working
groups
that
come
and
go
and
if
we
call
them
all
working
groups
some
long
term,
some
not
that
fixes
that
problem
good.
A
B
A
D
A
Good
good
point
on
discourse,
so
I
followed
the
the
the
pattern
I've
used
with
other
cigs
and
I've
created
an
archive
called
archive01
for
December
2019
through
September
22,
and
if
no
one,
if
there's
no
disagreement,
I,
will
remove
the
the
content.
That's
already
copied
to
archival
one
from
the
master
from
the
central
copy
so
that
we
get
back
to
having
decent
load
time.
I.
B
B
C
Okay,
with
the
active
notes
being
in
docs
I,
do
think
the
collaboration
tools
and
docs
are
still
better
than
most
other
ones,
but
I
don't
want
it
long
term,
especially
because
we
just
hit
that
with
the
meetings
archive
we
lost
the
meeting
archive
from
in
the
past,
because
one
of
the
servers
are
shut
down.
So
we
should
be
making
sure
everything's
in
GitHub,
because
if
GitHub
goes
away,
we're
screwed
anyways,
but
anything
short
of
that
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
good
and
it's
easy
to
move
out
of
GitHub.
C
Yeah,
no,
it
did
exist
on
a
server,
but
that
server
has
been
shut
down
when
confidence
was
shut
down.
So
those
files
don't
exist
anymore,
so
they're
trying
to
track
down
and
find
it
and
it's
if
it's
on
it
but
yeah.
So
me
everything
should
be
archived
to
GitHub,
like
we
do
with
Wiki
and
everything
else.
Okay,.
B
C
C
Would
create
a
new
repo
under
Jenkins
info
called
meeting
architect
archives
and
put
all
these
in
it
put
the
ones
that
we
lost
on
from
meeting
site
I.
Don't
think
they
need
to
be
on
the
Jenkins
website.
I
think
it's
just
going
to
be
messy
to
put
them
there,
but
we
can
just
start
store
the
raw
files
somewhere.
Okay,.
B
To
create
a
repository
for
governance,
because
remember
something
like
one
year
ago,
we
were
discussing
having
a
kind
of
task
list
open
task
list,
so
that
people
put
a
contribute
to
governance
or
now
or
you
can
create
a
fancy
dashboards
projects
on
GitHub.
So
we
can
just
gradually
consolidate
some
of
these
runtime
activities
on
the
governance
report.
Okay
also,
for
example,
I
could
put,
for
example,
CDF
governance
updates
on
project
status,
the
etc,
etc.
So
I
think
the
report
would
be
beneficial.
C
B
D
A
All
right,
okay,
well
so,
and
and
let's
put
the
action
in
Mark
discuss
because
with
Damien
as
part
of
the
the
meeting
archive
recovery
right,
because
that
that's
a
good,
a
good
place
to
say,
hey
should
I
be
placing
more
things
there.
Seeing
meeting
notes,
Google
some
of
code
meeting
notes
all
those
kinds
of
things
and.
C
I
don't
mind
doing
the
actual
export
so
like.
If
you
want
to
wouldn't
you
talk
to
Danny
and
get
it
sorted
out,
I
can
separate
each
meeting
into
multiple
files
and
do
like
just
like
the
previous
meeting.
Things
was
I,
don't
mind
doing
that
work,
it's
kind
of
put
music
on
and
get
it
done
type
thing
so
yeah.
B
All
right,
so
what
other
projects
normally
do,
for
example
in
cdcf
talks
and
seeks
they
create
the
repository
for
each
entity
and
basically
let
them
control
it
as
a
baby.
So,
for
example,
in
Jenkins
we
already
have
cqx
Repository
yeah,
so
maybe
we
could
just
make
it
a
kind
of
normal
that
all
seeks
well
working
groups
and
whatever
they
have
a
separate
repository
for
their
content
and
manage
them
up
there
there.
They
can
also
create
a
road
map
in
their
repository,
whatever
they
want.
D
A
D
C
C
I
can't
upgrade
to
the
new
UI.
The
new
UI
is
nice,
but
all
that's
done
by
Management
in
the
dashboard
that
neither
you
nor
I
have
access
to
I'll
reach
out
to
Damien,
but
I
think
I'm
going
to
get
really
aggressive
with
this,
because
their
support
isn't
responding
and
they've
always
responded
really
quickly.
C
So
either
we've
annoyed
them
to
the
point
where
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
us
or
just
going
through
something
but
I'm
gonna
start
going
through
social,
like
networks
and
social
media
I'm
going
to
post
on
LinkedIn
and
be
like
anyone.
I
know
at
Golia
that
can
help
I
just
wasn't
sure.
If
how
comfortable
we
are
with
that,
because
they
are
a
sponsor.
A
C
C
I
do
have
V2
working,
so
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world
if
we
don't
get
there,
but
it's
it's
so
not
good
search
right
now,
right
and
I
think
the
UI
changes
have
been
making
the
indexing
worse,
which
is
fine.
I
rather
see
the
UI
changes,
but
there's
it
was
their
doc
searches
based
on
like
CSS
selectors,
and
if
we
change
the
CSS
selectors
a
bit,
then
their
search
went
wrong.
A
Yeah
I
I
think
I
think
it's
reasonable
be
kind,
but
we
really
we're
we.
We
do
need
some
help
and
we're
it's
we're.
I'm
I'm
personally
embarrassed
I
have
to
ask
for
help
on
this
one,
but
it's
not
going
to
get
fixed
unless
we
ask
yeah
I'll
take
care
of
it.
Thank
you
all
right
anything
else.
On
the
the
topics
we
had
there
around
ideas,
no
okay
action
items,
Community
Jenkins
IO
for
Jenkins
docs
list
still
not
happened,
probably
not
until
December
at
the
earliest
do.
B
Yeah
in
November
and
December
I
will
have
a
bit
more
time
for
Jenkins
at
least
this.
What
is
my
plan,
but
yeah
I
will
definitely
start
from
Kitchen
Cup
on
some
beats,
where
I
can
help
from
the
history
Grace
yeah
that
wasn't
very
available
in
the
recent
year
or
so
I
still
didn't
commit
to
be
available.
Much
because
I
prioritize
various
kinds
of
volunteering
in
into
work
campaigns
Etc,
but
yeah
I
would
like
to
spend
at
least
some
time
to
reduce
my
backlog.
C
A
C
See
I
did
see
on
the
forums.
People
have
started
already
saying
that
I
think
we
don't
support
I,
don't
even
know
the
names
of
any
of
them,
but
the
web
one
and
even
talking
cat
they're
like
Tomcat,
should
be
supported.
There
are
people
who
use
it,
but
we
don't
know
anything
about
it
and
then
people
were
able
to
look
up
stack.
Overflow
links
a
lot
better
because
they
knew
that
we
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
help
them.
C
So
it
turns
out
more
recent
versions
of
Tomcat
do
Jenkins
home
differently
and
some
people
weren't
catching
that
and
I.
Think
someone
even
found
out
how
to
fix
the
crumbs
issue,
which
I
think
Mark
and
I
remember
that
went
on
like
two
months.
When
someone
kept
saying
it's
broken
and
we're
like
okay,
we
don't.
We
can't
help
you
without
more
details
and
yeah.
So
apparently
it
has
something
to
do
with
Catalina
and
how
remote
IPS
are
not
passed
into
the
thing
anyways.
C
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
B
So
what
I
would
say
that
there
is
a
bundle
to
web
server
which
you
expected
to
use
unless
I
don't
know,
because,
to
be
honest,
I
see
no
well.
There
was
some
weird
corporate
requirements
like
external
permission
manager,
external
audit
log,
external
SSO,
but
apart
from
that,
I
wouldn't
dare
to
even
run
a
web
container
to
this.
These
I.
C
C
B
D
E
D
E
D
A
A
For
that
sent
to
the
board
Gavin
and
Oleg.
Are
you
okay,
if
I
share
the
I,
put
the
the
list
here,
because
these
people
had
acknowledged
that
they
were
willing
to
not
time
Tim?
Are
you
okay,
if
I
share
those
who
have
not
yet
acknowledged,
or
would
you
rather
I
do
that
later
I'd?
Rather,
you
talk
to
those
people
before
you
show.
A
Great
I
will
hold
on
those
then
so
the
officer
nominees
right
now
we
have
only
one
nominee
in
each
of
the
officer
positions,
so
this
was
a
condition
we
had
last
year
from
most
of
the
officer
positions
as
well
and
the
answer
is
we
don't
need
an
election
for
those.
So
that's
positive.
That's
nice
and
simple
board.
Member
nominees.
We
have
nominees
but
need
confirmation
and
we'll
need
that
before
the
announcement
date
of
November
17,
when
we
start
the
when
we
start
the
voting
on.
C
A
Will
and
I
talked
with
Damian
about
that
since
since
I'm
actually
not
I,
guess
olegan
and
Gavin
to
your
ques
to
the
question
to
you
since
I'm,
not
putting
myself
up
for
documentation
officer
this
year,
I'm
actually
not
up
for
any
nomination.
Therefore,
are
you
okay,
if
I
assist
the
election
Committee
in
that
way,.
C
I,
don't
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion.
I
just
feel
like
the
election
committee
should
be
doing
the
work
and
so
right
now
you're,
not
part
of
the
election
committee.
So
if
you
want
to
join
the
connection
committee,
that's
different,
but
I
think
Damian
should
be
the
one
reaching
out
or
Kevin,
even
if
he
is
nominated.
A
B
B
C
C
A
A
Okay,
so
so
still
we're
sort
of
touching
on
easy
things,
because
the
big
challenge
for
me
is
this
one,
my
proposal
to
change
the
change,
the
rules
and
whoops.
Let's
make
it
big
enough
to
read
my
proposal
to
change
the
rules
is
proposing
to
allow
two
elected
board
members
from
a
single
company
rather
than
the
current
requirement,
which
is
no
majority
of
all
board
members,
including
the
permanent
board
member
yeah.
B
The
problem
we've
been
discussing
in
previous
years,
and
maybe
this
year
two-
is
that
for
cloud
bees
we
is
kosaki
being
still
affiliated
with
Cloud
bees.
It
means
that
there
is
and
because
being
default
and
not
active
in
the
Jenkins
Community.
Unless
a
big
escalation
happens,
it
means
that
cloudis
might
have
only
one
representative
apart
from
Kiki.
B
That
change
I
just
said
that
the
current
one
doesn't
work
and
basically
my
proposal.
If
you
open
conversation,
oh
my
proposal
would
be
to
keep
so
if
you
really
want
to
resolve
this
conundrum
and
have
let's
say
two
employees
so
before
that
we
had
two
cases
well
one
case,
one
Mark
and
me
were
unable
to
be
on
the
board
and
at
that
point
mark
got
a
second
number
of
votes,
but
with
the
table
to
join
so
my
proposal
would
be,
instead
of
changing,
converting
a
changing.
B
What
actually
calculation
means,
because
one
could
argue
is
even
if
Kiki
is
advisor
for
cloud
peace,
the
key
doesn't
actively
engage,
let's
say
in
product
strategy
and
in
defending
this
product
strategy.
At
least
this
is
my
perception
of
current
Kiki
throwing
inside
cloudbase
I'm,
not
100.
Sure,
that's
also
my
perception.
Yes,
so
if
you
were
to
change
something,
my
proposal
would
be
to
become
clear
what
actually
affiliation
means
because
I,
basically
one
organizing
first
elections
with
Tracy
and
then
secondary
elections.
C
C
B
Taking
the
list
of
nominations
right
now.
I
do
not
see
a
particular
need
to
change
that
to
be
honest,
but
we
need
to
do
confirmations
and
before
that
and
after
that
we
can
decide
accordingly
but
yeah.
So
there
are
two
questions:
firstly,
when
we
do
change
it
and
what
we
change
so
I
don't
want
to
block
a
change
if
it's
needed
to
have
a
healthy
board,
but
yeah
right
now,
I'm,
not
convinced
that
we
do
it.
I
have
to
do
it
now.
A
I
I
think
I'm
I'm,
okay
with
that
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
it.
But
it's
it's
a
valid
point.
What
I
think
I'm
hearing
then,
is
we
vet?
The
nominees
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
days
confirm
that
the
nominees
accept
the
nomination
and
then
proceed
from
there,
and
we
can
then
revisit
this
question
after
the
election's
Complete,
because
your
point
is
hey.
This
is
not
a
an
urgent
thing
in
terms
of
direct
impact
on
current
election.
E
A
C
D
A
Mean
if
so,
if
tell
me,
tell
me
then
about
the
threshold
that
olegu
and
Gavin
you
would
set
for
the
use
of
the
verb
Affiliated
in
this
case,
if
he
is
receiving
funds
from
cloud
bees,
is
that
Affiliated?
If
he
is
titled
an
advisor,
is
that
by
definition
Affiliated
or
is
it
does
there
need
to
be?
If
he's
a
majority
shareholder
is
or
if
he's,
if
he
has
a
significant,
probably
not
a
majority
shareholder.
If
he
has
a
significant
shareholding,
is
that
considered
Affiliated
I'm.
C
D
C
B
Take
a
definition
from
another
open
source
institution
so
that
we
don't
have
an
event
our
own,
but
yeah.
My
ballpark
would
be
that
if
he
is
employed,
obviously
it's
a
federation
right,
whether
as
a
contractor
or
as
a
permanent
employer,
it
doesn't
matter,
and
so
I
can
be,
whether
if
he
is
a
major
Shake
holder,
but
even
better,
you
would
have
to
answer
what
is
Major
so
yeah.
C
I
mean
I'm
also
concerned,
because,
if
we're
getting
too
specific
about
the
rules,
I
think
Oleg
and
I
still
considered
Affiliated
in
some
way
with
copies
right,
we
are
ex-employees,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
remember.
If
we
have
stock
I,
don't
think
they
went
public
and
have
stock,
but
I
mean
the
definition
of
the
word.
Affiliate
is
really
weird
in
this
sentence,
because,
but
it
is
by
definition,
I
had
to
look
it
up
repeatedly.
It's
officially
attached
or
connect
a
person
to
an
organization
and
I.
Don't
really
know
what
that
means.
C
So
I
would
say:
ask
kosuke
what
his
role
is
at
Cloud
B.
Is
that
he's
willing
to
make
or
ask
cloudbees
what
their
statement
is?
If
they're
saying
he's,
just
like
a
token
person
on
the
board,
I'd
be
okay
with
calling
it
he's
not
affiliated.
If
he's
like
an
active
board
member
that
actually
shapes
the
company,
then
I
would
say
he's
Affiliated
and
I.
Think
at
that
point
we
can
kind
of.
You
know,
get
the
wording
right.
E
C
E
B
E
Right
I
wanted
to
address
the
point
that
Mark's
pull
request,
doesn't
change
the
situation
for
cloud
beasts
and
if
you
read
the
wording
of
Mark's
plurquist
specifically
wrote
that
that
the
number
of
elected
board
members
has
to
be
50
or
less
so
that
ex.
So
if
casuke
has
a
permanent
seed,
then
not
an
elected
board
member
and
so
the
second
half
of
olegs
that
you
would
need
to
allow
for
three
members
from
a
single
company
or
sixty
percent
of
the
board.
E
B
B
C
I
missed
it,
I
missed
it
too,
I
didn't
read,
I
mean
that
does
that
was
going
to
be.
My
point
was
like:
do
we
want
to
make
special
rules
for
Costco,
as
the
the
dictator
for
Life
type
thing
was
gonna
be
like?
That
would
be
the
the
more
beneficial
way
of
saying
to
people,
because
I
didn't
want
to
say
company
could
take
over,
but
I
also
Costco
is
kind
of
a
special
case.
C
So
I
like
this
wording,
I
would
still
like
to
wait
to
hear
before
we
merge
it
or
change
the
actual
process.
I
would
like
to
hear
back
from
the
current
nominees.
If
all
the
current
nominees
say
no,
then
we
might
need
to
merges
and
find
some
more
nominees,
but
I
do
want
to
stick
with
the
the
procedure
we
laid
out
last
month,
as
this
is
the
this
is
what
we're
adopting
for
this
election.
E
B
Okay,
plus,
let's
agree
that
if
you
talk
about
more
selection
process
change,
it's
not
something
that
can
be
decided
just
on
the
government's
meeting
call.
So
one
would
rather
need
to
start
to
vote
in
the
main
increase
Etc.
Then
we
would
need
to
give
some
time
to
give
feedback.
So,
let's
see
one
even
better,
this
point
creates
some
problems
for
the
timeline.
If
I
understand
correctly
so
I
mean
I,
don't
feel
strongly
that.
So,
if
you
need
to
maintain
healthy
ball,
I
would
rather
privatize
during
a
change
to
link
election.
If
needed,
then.
C
I
mean
there's
a
very
good
chance,
looking
at
the
list
of
nominees
that
everyone
will
say.
No,
if
that's
the
case,
we
will
revisit
this
and
we
get
some
new
nominations
and
I
would
say
that
would
be
something
we
can
do
this
week.
If
all
the
people
say
no
but
we'll
just
have
to
delay,
I
mean
the
officers
will
get.
A
Okay,
yeah
and
I
think
I
think
I'm.
Okay,
with
that
that
I
am
okay
with
that
I
shouldn't,
say:
I
think
I
am,
let's
be
very
explicit.
I
am
okay
with
that.
I
think
that
is
a
good,
a
good
description,
so
guiding
me
on
I
had
intentionally
use
this
word
elected
specifically
for
the
the
reasons
that
Basel
noted
because
kosuke,
because
the
permanent
board
member
is
a
special
case
right.
He
really
is
a
a
very
special
case.
C
Take
your
wording
I
agree
with
Oleg.
It
probably
shouldn't
be
the
five
of
us
on
this
call.
Making
this
call
I,
don't
think
the
I
really
I
mean
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
U.S
elections.
I,
don't
think
the
U.S
gov
elections
should
be
deciding
the
rules
for
their
own
elections.
It
should
be
much
broader
than
that.
So
I
agree
with
olig
that
this
should
be
a
discussion
on
the
dev
mail
list.
C
I
can't
imagine
people
are
going
to
have
issues
with
it
as
long
as
we
make
sure
that
people
understand
the
difference
between
number
of
board
members
versus
number
of
elected
board
members,
but
I,
don't
think
the
board's
going
to
have
an
issue
with
it
are
the
dev.
This
is
going
to
have
an
issue
with
it,
but
it
shouldn't
be
just
the
five
of
us
making
the
decision.
B
For
example,
in
the
current
state,
I
would
be
perfectly
okay
with
doing
this
change,
but
imagine
one
month
later,
Tiki
decides
that
he
is
no
longer
a
fan
of
distributed
testing
and
he
returns
back
to
Cloud
B's,
let's
say,
as
let's
say,
new
city
or
the
company.
Do
we
have
a
problem
after
that?
Yes,
we
do
so
yeah.
This
is
something
to
keep
in
mind,
and
this
is
why
I
would
rather
go
through
the
level
of
affiliation
than
through
making
decay
an
exception.
C
I
would,
though,
however,
like
to
get
actual
official
clarification,
even
if
it's
in
an
email
to
the
board
from
cloudbeast
saying
that
Costco
is
no
longer
directly
Affiliated
like
if
we
don't
have
to
make
it
public,
they
don't
have
to
make
a
public
statement,
but
if
they
could
email
the
board
and
saying
this
is
his
role
and
this
is
his
affiliation.
Then
we
don't
even
have
to
change
the
document,
because
that
would
handle
this.
A
C
Know,
but
they
can,
if
you,
if
you've
fired
off
an
email,
it
can
be
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
marketing
I
actually
think
it
should
be
higher
up
and
just
said,
hey
Jenkins
board
is
a
little
concerned
about
Costco's
affiliation.
Can
you
clarify
his
affiliation
to
the
board?
He
doesn't
have
to
be
a
full.
C
You
know
public
broadcast,
and
then
we
have
that
in
writing
so
that,
if
it
does
change,
that's
fine
I
think
his
affiliation
is
if,
if
anything's
still
in
name
only
I,
don't
think
it's
anymore,
and
then
that
solves
this
problem.
If
they
are
not
comfortable
with
us,
then
we'll
have
to
revisit
this,
but
I'm
always
an
opinion.
We
might
as
well
get
it
done
right
before
we
change
the
process.
A
C
A
C
If
if
it
comes
back
that
he's
Affiliated
and
then
we
can
revisit
this
topic,
but
I
do
think,
you
can
also
submit
this
to
the
dev
mailings
at
the
same
time,
not
for
this
election.
But
if,
for
whatever
reason,
the
nominations
come
back
saying,
no,
then
we'll
have
already
started
this
process
like
I.
Don't
I
think
you
can
do
it
in
parallel
without
doing
it
in
waterfall,
Sarah.
C
D
B
A
C
A
Yeah,
it's
certainly
in
the
elections
in
which
I
just
participated
in
the
United
States.
When
there
was
only
one
candidate,
they
would
put
the
candidate
on
the
ballot,
and
that
was
it
right.
We
were
done
there
was.
It
was
only
because
the
ballot
needed
a
space
for
that
they
would
put
it
in
and
we
were
done.