Jenkins Governance Meetings, 16 Jun 2021

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Jenkins governance meeting June 16, 2021, with topics including:
* Jenkins 2.289.2 release candidate now available
* Contributor Summit
* Deprecating Ruby runtime
* Jenkins funding - status report
* Plugin End-of-Life Policy
* Discourse evaluation status report

A

Welcome everyone: this is the jenkins governance meeting it's june, the 16th 2021 thanks for being here, um we've got agenda items, including news contributor summit, deprecating, ruby, runtime, jenkins funding, updates, plug-in end-of-life policy. Possibly I had put lfx mentorship budget, but I'm not sure I've got anything to talk to it and discourse.

A

Any other topics that need to go on the agenda for today.

B

No, that sounds a great dad.

A

Okay, great and let's keep it brief and to the point so by way of news, contributor summit is coming june. 25 we'll talk about it in more depth. Later in this meeting end of the month, we've got jenkins 2.289 coming and we've switched from freenode to libra for our in irc chat system and the discourse. Proof of concept is ongoing.

B

Can I just ask one question regarding rc: if, if my understanding is correct, we updated the documentation on jenkins radio, but we did not send the blog post. So most of the people are not aware of the fact that we are moving um our.

C

Network, I don't think anyone who goes to free node will be checking either their website for the blogs. So I mean it's good to do, but I don't think anyone will they won't change. Anything.

B

C

B

I know I know at least some people love these who, from time to time, go to rc channel to ask questions. um They were surprised last week that nobody was answering questions anymore and they did not follow um all the drama around free notes, and so that's what I mean that we should write a small blog post. I mean it doesn't have to be really big. Just like dubai. Freeload is dead and we are moving.

C

Yeah, no I'm not I'm not saying don't do that uh all I did excuse me. Oh, I did comment on twitter about it. I don't know anywhere else. Sorry, um no! It's a comment on twitter, but there's no blog post and all the documentation was updated, so we're about half there. I could annoy that have done tests.

C

I also don't know how much we want to support irc anymore, because it's getting pretty dead.

A

Yeah, so it feels like no harm for us to blog the change. I'm happy to to do something, quick and easy any objections from others. If I do that.

B

I think that would be nice. um I remember that we wanted to discuss about switching from rc to something else. I think the first move was first to leave freenode because yeah because of three nodes. um Next I mean we. We can then introduce a discussion about if we want to use matrix or something else great, but yeah at least for now. We just want to be sure that we need three nodes and everybody's aware of that.

C

I think yeah say we've left, uh throwing a comment saying: there's also getter and there's also discourse great. Don't.

A

Like don't direct.

C

Them there, but that way, if there's only ten people in irc, they have other options.

A

Right, okay, getter and discourse um good, all right I'll do it! You should see that later today, okay gavin, anything you want to report for us since we've got you on the hook there for discourse, how's it going or olivier.

A

My perception is it's just great. What.

B

So gavin, maybe you want to share that.

C

Yeah I mean there's not a lot to share uh it's going pretty well, we have, I don't know I haven't looked recently but like 40 or 60 users about 20 of them are posting stuff. So it's pretty good. um As oleg pointed out in twitter, I really like the show off category, because a lot of people are posting all kinds of things like the books. They've written and you know upcoming plugins tim did the blue ocean thing.

C

So generally, I'm pretty happy with the way this is going and I'm hoping we can cut over more and more things to it, because it does work really well.

A

Excellent yeah, so here's a a trend chart posting from uli all right, great.

B

And I think we will cover a little bit more about this course during the contributor summit anyway, great.

A

All right that.

B

Would be part of the decision.

A

Okay, last item of news: not a big news item, but just be aware that my thing that was going to take me out has been cancelled because of health concerns next topic, so contributor summit, olivier sure. Let me share my.

B

Screen, if you, if you want, because I would like to share the skill you bet so, um if you're new to the two discussions so next week, we'll have a contributor submitted, we are still discussing about how to organize. Today. um We want to obviously hide that some major change in the jenkins project. I mean initiatives that are running right now. We would like also to have a decision. um So let me share my screen, so you can see this keyboard first.

B

So I hope you can see the screen here um so so yeah before I introduce what the schedule is, so we would like to cover a different kind of aria. We would like to highlight project update. We would like to update uh highlights on sig updates. um We also want to take this opportunity to uh to discuss major changes that we want to bring to them to the jenkins projects.

B

That's something that we usually do during the contributor summit, and we would also like to save some space for highlighting um some specific work like on a specific plugin or whatever. Something important to keep in mind is the time is aligned with the silicon which is um east u.s um time zone, um so it will so.

B

I created, I created a draft for the day, so the first thing is obviously because the amount of people on different time zone- I just put the major on time zone so just to help you identify if it's possible for you and then we would have four main categories. The first one is project update. As I said here, you can expect update from board members officer of the jenkins project.

B

I was thinking to have a contributor track. um Initially my understanding was. We were on the pdt time zone so with west coast, which was a little bit more difficult for people from europe, but we don't have that constraint anymore. So something that I would like to suggest is. We first do the project update. Then we do the sig updates and then we continue with the contributor track. So we have um more people from everywhere in the u.s.

B

So that's a that's the the main categories and then, with five finish, the conference with various presentations, many different topics we can have our presentation with, let's say, jenkins, think index um open to the metric plugin. We have many options there.

B

What I need right now is to finalize the the schedule, so I'm really looking for feedback on this schedule and also I'm looking for people um to either talk or leave discussion. So, for instance, in the case of the project, update or seek update, the idea is to have someone who can do a quick update, five or ten minutes, but in the case of the contributor track.

B

The idea here is more to be a moderator and to drive a discussion, so we would like to have as many contributors interested by those specific topics of those plugins those topics that we identify. um I mean you can still change those topics, but one of them is plug-in end-of-life policy. Several people bring, I mean that they would like to introduce that's a policy to deprecate some plug-in, and I think that's a great good. I mean that's a good place to discuss about that.

B

um We always a session contributing to jenkins um mark will lead that session. He does a pretty good job on that area. um Some people reported that they would like to discuss about how to upgrade guava in jenkins. I'm not a java developer, so I cannot go too much into the details there, um but I know that batismati, but batiste was interested to leave that discussion. A leg requested a session on the outreach program that we would have in the coming months.

B

Instead, something that I have to identify. um If someone else can take the lead on this one, we would like to have a discussion on java, 11, um java, 8 and obviously java 17, because service java 17 will be the new test java test release in september.

B

So if you are interested by that topic feel free to manifest yourself and finally, another session that I would like that I would like to cover is governance, because we will have governance in around october and november. um That would be the third time that we organized the election on the jenkins project.

B

We organized two times following two different processes with different kind of results, and so I would like to go back um in time to understand what we did well and what we want to change based on our last two attempts. So those are the contributor track.

B

If you have any other topic, you want to bring feel free to manifest yourself. You still have one week to change. um Sig updates, I'm still trying to identify people to do to do an update uh here, I'm trying to convince and try to find a way for people from asia to particip to participate as well.

B

So yeah I'm trying to be to find a solution for them and yeah any question.

A

So I'm interested in the java 11 topic, if tim doesn't feel like leading it, I would be willing to lead it. I I don't want to let that one drop from the the agenda.

B

Okay good to know thanks um question for you olovich and uh giving if you have a specific topic that you want to cover during the contributor summit um yeah to manifest. We also have to work on the slide for the project update and the seed updates yeah. I myself can't participate because I have lectures uh the whole day and that's yeah. Almost this the whole time slot is during my lectures.

B

So I'm sorry that I can't help here. At least yeah speak. That's fine! um I mean there are always some it's also 6 a.m. For me, it's all right.

C

B

For for your beginning, you know will be difficult.

C

Well, I mean I I mean on a good day I get up at like eight, so I mean I can get up early, but that's getting for those.

A

Two um either way, I'm not.

C

Totally interested in presenting anything right now, so if I don't have to I'd rather not.

B

Okay good to know as well um yeah, that's I just needed your confirmation. um Otherwise we have another google doc. Do I have a link to this one? Let me see if I can find it.

B

So I'm also looking for feedback on this one. So um I'm going to put the link to the agenda.

B

So here this one, so what I'm looking um so we started. So we started to when google doc to explain that more in detail and a google cheats to have a big picture id of what we want to do.

B

If you have some ideas for the unconference part, so that's a small presentation on jenkins or no people who would be interested to participate. I'm looking for speakers in the last session, so right now we have I'm looking for jenkins and tecton, inter into our interoperability, um I've. I got confirmation that we can have a session on jenkins and jenkins63 jenkins and the open, telemetry plugin um and the work done by elastic and yeah. I'm looking for more topic here.

B

I think that's all for me on the.

A

So olivier one of your questions was okay to. Is it okay to switch the order, as you proposed, I'm I'm just gonna call for a vote, any dissent or plus one from everyone. Please is it okay that he we take his agenda as he's proposed, it.

B

So so the suggestion to move the contributor track a little bit later is that it would be easier for gaming to participate.

A

Really so fine for me, yeah, okay, fine for me, randall thanks for joining us, want to express your opinion.

D

um I'm eastern time so I'm usually up at five o'clock in the morning to feed my cats. So time is not really a problem.

A

Great all right and gavin you're. Okay with that yeah, I'm, okay, I'm! Okay! With that, I don't know how much I can participate anyways, but yeah understood thanks, gavin, very much okay, so we've got a plus ones all around for the schedule as proposed.

A

So that's great.

B

Because then, tomorrow I finalize the schedule and start promoting it.

A

Excellent. Thank you very much. Any other topics we need. Let's see a draft email invitation, email has been posted, olivier gave some feedback there suggesting we should use discourse as the contact point uh I'll, create a new topic under the contributing on discourse and invite people to reply there. So that way, we'll try to motivate them if they have some issue when they receive the invitation, email they'll go to the discourse community and post their question. There.

B

So yeah, that's that's one of the things that still needs to be done, and another discussion which is happening at the moment is how we manage the swipe and how we send the swipe. So I think we still have an open question um on who will pay for the swag and how much we have to pay. Obviously, it's difficult to know in advance how many swag we want to send but yeah we, I don't have the answer at the moment, I'm just sharing that we are discussing with alissa and the cdf and other people.

A

Great, thank you thanks very much all right anything else on contributor summit.

A

No, that's all for me at least for now. Okay, the deprecating ruby run time, I'm not sure, there's anything we need to report there. We had an item for daniel to continue reviewing it to review it. I assume that I've not seen anything indicating that's been reviewed, so I think we're still on hold there jenkins funding updates. As far as I understand it, gavin and evelina both have access to the to the funding system. So that's in progress, nothing other that I need to report unless someone else has something they need to report.

A

Okay, great and I understand- we've got plug-in end-of-life policy as a topic for the contributor summit. I don't think there's anything more. We need to discuss here except being aware that it'll be a topic at contributor summit. Prepare ourselves, be sure, we're ready to discuss and have good plans.

C

If it hasn't been released in three days, it should be deprecated.

A

This is continuous delivery, huh if you, if you don't, have to download it every five minutes, it's dead. Okay!

A

Thank you! That's I I. I love an aggressive policy boy that would be a winning aggressive policy. Okay, that one scares me we haven't done an update in four months. I I I understand randall yep, that's there. There are plenty of surprises to be found.

A

I think all my plugins are at least a year so yeah. I know. Okay.

A

Last topic I put on the agenda we'd, I think already discussed briefly, but anything else that needs to be shared with regard to discourse and and our progress there. I think it's working.

B

Great uh people can register an icon, can ask questions can participate. We already saw nice demo in the show off section that garrett created a garrett um giving created sorry, um so I think it's working well. The only thing that we may do you may have is more option like um being able to use twitter to authenticate or whatever that's something that we can improve in the future, but for now I think we already have something working pretty well.

C

As much as I think, the single sign-on isn't with linux is a good idea. I don't think very many people have linux foundation accounts.

C

I only got one in the last year, so I the more options we have for social logins, the probably the better um I'm going to send out another blast old email list next week, probably maybe a week after I want to make sure that people have time to not get it too often, and then I've been talking to advocacy, sig ux sig, and what did I say, the other one was oh and mark was talking about doc, sig about possibly moving the majority of their communication to discourse so try it.

C

Out so I don't know how much we're going to do that, but I oh okay, that's the zoombi having the dots um yeah, uh I don't know like I said I don't know if they're there uh uli said uh ux is interested but and mark said docs is interested. We haven't moved forward to any of them. Yet.

A

And would that be done with a category? How does how? How do you envision that working? I don't know honestly.

B

A

B

Okay, because this is one thing, what I'm a little bit missing currently from this course, I'm opening this webpage and there are all messages and what I would like to expect is: where is the ux sick button and when I see only the message from there, so there is a category so.

C

B

Maybe I can show how mark you can show your screen yeah, and I can give you a quick overview.

A

So olivier go ahead and share.

B

Yep, I'm I'm doing it. Sorry.

B

Can you see my screen, you should.

C

If it needs to be I'm going to get rid of that banner, that banner was an accident, but.

B

So when you arrive, when you arrive on community that changes that io, that's usually the view that you see you have um I mean you, you see the active discussions, something that we we started to try to understand. How we do is the categories, so we can organize discussion by categories.

B

That's one way, and so, if you think about the categories you have different, I would say major categories: that's something that we started working on.

B

It's still I mean we still have to improve, but for us what we thought was to have one major category with champions using jenkins community contributing providing feedback on the site feedback, and we also have specific categories for language groups, espanol, french and so on, and so, for instance, if you go to contributing you, we could add a subcategory so right now we only have um in the subcategories infrastructure and g-stock.

B

So let's say we could imagine ux if, if you want and then when you create a new topic, you just start a discussion and then can specify the different categories that you want to have. So you can only, for instance, specify the top category, which is contributing you could specify contributing infrastructure and the way it works is as a user. You can have filters, you can say, I'm only interested by topic in infrastructure under contributing, and so it's really easy to identify what you want to read. Basically, so that's that's how it's working right now.

B

Does it answer your question about um having a ux category, so the the the biggest challenge that we have at the moment is to have enough categories. So we can organize discussion, but not too much so people are lost in the different categories because you can have level one categories, then you can have level two categories and level three and so on. You don't really have a limit.

B

It's just like level, one and level two is really easy to see from here, because the top level is the the big box using jenkins community contributing the level. 2 is, let's say, infrastructure, gsoc announcement. Even so those are the blue box that you see and then level 3 categories. um It's a little bit harder to identify.

C

Oh, no, sorry, no olivier! um We have the calendar enabled. So when you create your events for the contributing assignment, you should make sure that there, the post has a date set to it, the hamburger at the top right. Okay, that way, it'll show up in calendar, so we can start seeing events that are happening around as well.

C

B

B

You is uh this course only available in the browser it's uh they have like.

C

B

They have an application for android in ios.

B

So we can also work, but not on native as a partner, the mac os or on windows and or linux. It's just yeah. I think it's on your web browser again.

C

They have a very rich api, so I would bet you someone has made in a client for it, but it is a web app.

C

So I've been looking, I mean we can create a new, uh a new, actually a new wikitalking topic where people can add clients and tooling their views. So that might be not a good idea as well.

D

Yeah, someone should make a jenkins plug-in for that.

C

It had occurred to me I'm going to make an rss plug-in soon. So when I do that, um I might make one that we can. I don't know, do something from jenkins into discourse.

B

So yeah we can do a lot of things with this course. We are still at the beginning of the process, so we are still learning, and so we are open to feedback as well.

D

It looks like there's some activity on github around.

C

B

C

What do you mean by it.

D

I assume you're muted speaking of jenkins, plugin, sorry yeah. There is some activity around application building for discourse on github, but I don't know how far is going.

D

And I I must say goodbye: I've got another meeting too goodbye a pleasure, seeing everyone and finally putting a face through the names thanks randall. Thank you very much for joining us I'll I'll.

A

Try to do so again great. We look forward to it.

A

So we we have covered all the topics that I had on the agenda. Are there any other topics.

B

I don't think so. All right there is for there is. There is one last thing that that I would have loved to review before the contributor summit. Is I mean that's the road map that we just plunged into the io, but I don't think we'll have the time to review them here.

A

Yeah, I think I think we would want a larger, larger group and and a more detailed review yeah that that how about we propose that asynchronously is you're, worried that the roadmap may be outdated as published to jenkins.io, because we reviewed it two or three weeks ago in in governance, okay, so yeah. I have to double check. So maybe.

B

I was wrong. Okay, I just want I just wanted to. I would have loved to be sure that it was today for the contributors.

A

B

Then I was that we stopped debating her.

A

All right thanks, everybody. Thank you.

B

Thanks gavin bye.