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That
progress
has
been
slowed
because
I've
done
no
additional
work
on
it.
It's
got
good
use
cases
in
it.
Just
some
of
them
are
incorrect
and
need
need
refinement
before
we
publish
it
tim.
Are
you,
okay,
with
the
idea
of
putting
plug-in
installation
manager
documentation
on
www.jenkins.io?
Would
you
rather
we
just
point
them
to
the
readme
and.
B
I
don't
want
stuff,
that's
going
to
change
too
much
like
early
sky,
big
pr
to
redo
the
command
structure
and
in
the
cli
it's
fine.
I
it's
definitely
gonna
be
fine
to
have
in
reference
documentation
and
tutorials.
A
Okay,
so
yeah
this
particular
pull
request
is
look
is
trying
to
outline
some
use
cases
and
it
was.
It
was
helpful,
quite
helpful
to
me
because
it
pointed
me
to
oh.
This
is
how
I
solve
the
use
cases
I
have,
but
it's
probably
got
many
more
use
cases
than
than
may
necessarily.
So
how
do
you
install
it?
How
do
you
generate
a
list
of
plugins?
How
do
you
list
the
dependencies
of
a
plugin?
How
do
you
install
a
particular
plug-in?
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B
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A
And
that
was
it
was
a.
It
was
an
effort
we
launched
about
six
or
nine
months
ago
when
a
new
contributor
came
on
and
said,
hey
I'd
like
something-
and
I
said
gee
this
is
one
I'm
interested
in
the
contributor
did
it,
but
then
I
found
a
bunch
of
flaws
in
it.
I
used
it
for
what
I
needed.
I
learned
what
I
needed,
but
then
didn't
didn't,
get
it
merged.
B
A
A
Let's
see,
one
was
declare
end
of
life
in
12
months
or
another
was
declare
end
of
life
plus
plus
extended
support.
If
the
security
team
is
willing
to
do
that,.
A
Any
any
other
that
you
want
to
weigh
in
there
on
hey,
we
should
do.
We
should
consider
this
way
or
consider
this
way.
B
I
don't
think
so.
I
mean
it'd
be
good
to
get
the
numbers
fixed,
but
it
looks
like
the
numbers
were
a
lot
higher
than
we
thought
because
of
the
broken
usage
stats.
It's
assuming
that
it's
something
like
25
or
more
currently
running
on
11,
but
it'll
be
good
to
see
those
numbers
properly
right.
Okay,.
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B
B
A
After
it
right
so,
we've
got
11
and
17
both
as
lps
is
after
it.
So
the
fact
that
it's
so
long-lived
is
really
impressive,
but
eventually
libraries
jetty
is
the
is
the
classic
example
right.
If
jetty
drops
support,
we
have
no
choice.
So
we've
we've
got
to
we'd
just
as
well
start
the
discussions
we
can.
We
can
live
with
stay
on
an
older
version
of
jake
it,
but
we
really
can't
live
stay
with
on
an
unsupported
version
of
jetty.
B
A
B
I
don't
think
we
need
to
worry
too
much
about
numbers.
I
think
it's
more
for
developers
and
security.
B
B
It's
not
like
when
the
last
one
of
the
last
times
came
up.
People
were
like
there's
only
800
instances
using
it
it's
at
zero,
zero,
zero
percent.
We
need
to
fix
the
adoption.
Well
so,
but
it
turns
out
it
turns
out.
It
wasn't
like
that,
but
things
like
the
admin
monitor,
probably
boosted
a
lot.
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They
are,
they
are
actively
in
progress,
so
so
so
yes,
that's,
the
nerve-wracking
part
right
is,
but
there's
lots
of
interest
to
yes,
let's
let's
proceed,
I
guess
another
piece
of
this
is
dude.
Does
this
need
to
be
connected
to
to
java
17
in
any
way?
And
my
my
thought
was:
no,
it
doesn't
it's
really
independent
java
17
is
a
separate
conversation,
but
we
probably
want
a
separate
conversation
in
the
next
contributor
summit
about
java
17.
B
A
A
B
A
B
B
That's
yeah,
it's
pretty
trivial
to
test
it
and
it's
been
a
few
versions
since
but
yeah
there
was
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
bug
report
about
rooting
at
places,
but
nothing
saying
what
was
fixed
great.
A
B
A
All
right,
okay,
java
version,
update
automation,
so
this
was
when
I
needed
a
conversation
with
you.
I
think.
Actually,
in
terms
of
we've,
I've
we've
enabled
dependabod
on
the
docker
the
base,
docker
images,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
they're
always
consistently
detecting
new
changes
to
docker
images.
Do
you
have
experience
there
that
you
can
guide
on
hey,
let's
just
give
up
on
dependable
and
switch
to
update
cli
or
do
we
do
we
stay
with
the
pandabot
and
see
that
it
works.
B
The
problem
with
dependable
is
it's
very
zero
configuration,
so
it's
a
problem
and
and
nice
it
doesn't
work
very
well
with
docker.
B
It
works
only
if
there's
like
simple
and
increasing
and
formats
that
they
pass
it's
all
because
generally
they're,
not
they
don't
use
the
cli
tools
or
anything
to
figure
things
out.
They
use
pattern
matching
and
it
can't
it's
all
written
in
ruby
and
they
kind
of
extract
things
out
and
because
I
looked
at
it
for
seeing
if
we
could
get
jenkins
version,
update,
updating,
working
and
yeah,
they
don't
have
any
knowledge
of
anything
outside
of
the
file.
They
don't
run
maven
or
anything,
at
least
with
the
maven
one.
B
B
B
That's
going
from
like
eight
four
to
eight
five
yeah,
so
look
at
alpine's
working
alma
linux
is
working
deviant's
working
apparently.
A
A
Right
so,
and
so
the
docker
image
stuff,
I
think
at
least
I
think
the
ones
that
I've
enabled
have
shown
some
promise
of
working
I've
seen
plenty
of
places
where,
where
it's
dubious
to
even
have
depend
about
enabled,
for
instance,
I
track
fedora
versions
on
a
on
a
test
repository
that
I
run
for
platform
labeler,
and
it's
no
help
right.
Their
version
numbering
scheme
is
inadequate,
so
in
terms
of
yeah
some,
the
docker
stuff,
I
think,
is
working.
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A
B
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A
A
B
There's
nothing,
that's
not
the
docker.
They
said
bike
relies
on
upstream.
So
container
d
is
where
the
issue
is
that
container
d,
I've
I'm
subscribed
to
the
earth,
show
cause
I'm
it's
in
a
microsoft
reaper
somewhere
there
was
a
community
contributor
working
on
it
at
some
point
and
did
some
pr's
to
contain
a
day
and
marx.
I
think
microsoft's
I
haven't
done
the
work
required.
B
There
was
a
project
or
a
program
manager,
commenting
on
the
thread
a
little
bit
asking
what
people
wanted
it
for
trying
to.
I
guess
get
enough
reason
to
invest
in
it.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
so
conversations
are
continuing,
but
no
no
commitment
there.
So
if
we,
if
we
did
it
as
a
top
level
property
properties
file,
then
we
would
have
all
the
linux.
All
the
linux
variants
would
be,
would
get
from
a
single
location,
and
all
we
have
to
maintain
is
the
microsoft
all
the
the
one
or
two
or
three
windows
images.
B
A
Okay,
all
right
and
then
the
next
one
was
on
docker
image,
update
automation.
So
we
talked
about
java
this
one.
It
feels
like
we're
doing.
Okay,
you
noted
that
alma
linux
updates
are
detected,
I've
seen
debian
ones
detected,
and
I
know
that
alpine
or
was
alpine
detected.
I
think.