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A
Okay,
so
hello,
everybody
and
welcome
to
josie.js
may
you'll
notice
that
things
are
a
little
bit
different.
Things
look
a
little
bit
different
at
the
outset,
so
we
are
we're
also
not
we're
struggling
somewhat
with
the
format
of
online
meetups
and
talks.
So
we
thought
we'd
do
something
a
little
bit
more
engaging
a
little
bit
different.
B
Thanks
mike
yeah,
so
the
talk
that
struck
me
the
hardest
is
to
do
with
the
the
future
of
tech.
Is
africa.
The
future
is
africa
and
it's
pretty
awesome
like
I
wasn't.
I
was
surprised
to
see
the
title
there,
but
it
is
something
that
I
believe
and
support.
So
what
is
the
like?
What
does
that
mean?
So
currently
there's
about
700
000
developers
in
south
in
africa
and
about
120
000
of
those
people
are
in
south
africa.
So
that's.
C
B
C
B
Epic
number,
a
couple
of
like
I
can,
I
can
tell
you
stats,
but
you
can
just
watch
the
talk.
What
I
find
really
interesting
about
that
is
that
it
seems
to
be
because
of
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
are
just
moving
to
urban
centers
and
also
networking
is
becoming
more
accessible.
Devices
are
becoming
more
accessible.
B
B
So
I
think
that
there's
an
issue
there
that
needs
to
be
solved.
I
also
think
that,
like
looking
at
how
people
become,
developers
is
also
really
interesting,
so
about
30
of
people
go
through
traditional
education
systems,
so
universities
and
whatnot
and
universities
take
a
long
time
and
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
they
teach
unfortunately
like
it
varies
from
university
to
university.
But
a
lot
of
stuff
is
kind
of
outdated.
B
So
it's
it's
big
and
slow
and
like
there's
a
lot
of
high
quality
stuff
that
happens,
that
it's
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
self-taught
as
well,
and
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
like
it's
a
really
good
thing
that
people
can
go
out
and
teach
themselves
what
they
need
to
know.
But
I
think
that's
a
really
bad
thing
that,
like
there's
a
lot
of
resume
padding
that
happens
as
well.
So
that's
dodgy.
B
So
you
get
all
these
like
about
a
third
of
of
developers
in
africa
who
are
self-taught
like
there's
a
bunch
of
those
guys.
I
don't
know
how
many
who
will
do
a
lot
of
tutorials
and
then
like
write
that
stuff
down
on
their
cvs
and
say
I
can
do
all
the
stuff
and
then
they
can't
and
that's
a
difficult
thing,
because
it
makes
it
very
hard
to
hire
good
help.
B
B
A
D
C
D
C
D
E
My
question
sorry,
sorry,
mike
that
what
results
to
exactly
that
would
it
be
the
fact
that,
because
like
hubs
and
excess,
it's
not
necessarily
that
we
can't
go
there
and
like
because
we
went
a
few.
What
is
this
is
it
I
had
that
they
mentioned
also
in
the
video
they
went
and
to
kenya
and
started
a
center
where
people
can
learn
and
that's
not
evenly
spread
in
the
country.
E
B
A
lot
of
challenges
there
so
like
one
is
again:
internet
access
and
devices
because,
like
some,
some
devices
to
to
get
online
would
be
like
a
person's
salary
for
the
month
and
they
don't
have
that
much
and
so
sorry,
you
gotta
eat.
So
there's
a
lot
of
just
like
financial
barriers
for
the
people
who
want
to
get
into
the
field
and
then
on
top
of
that,
there's
a
difficulty
in
getting
funding
for
four
large
projects
across
africa.
A
Yeah,
so
I'm
gonna-
I'm
gonna,
jump
in
at
this
point
because
because
I
think
every
point
that
you've
raised
is
incredibly
salient
and
valid
valid
and
we
need
to
keep
a
razor
focus
on
the
problems
that
we're
seeing.
So
we
can
try
and
solve
them
right,
but
but
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
different
spin
and
I
suppose
it's
a
little
bit
different
for
me,
because
I
know
john
kermani
and
I
know
andy
falk
and
seeing
them
present.
A
This
talk
entitled
the
future
is
african
at.
I
o
one
of
the
biggest
conferences
on
the
calendar
to
who
knows
how
many
million
developers
and
it's
the
kind
of
content
that
a
lot
of
american
and
european
audience
members
would
never
have
seen.
They
would
never
have
interacted
with
these
people
and
seeing
that
was
just
wonderful
talking
about
the
scale
of
the
continent.
A
The
problems
of
the
continent
inequity
as
well
as
the
excitement
right,
because
the
thing
that
we
mustn't
lose
sight
of
is
that
we're
very
we
in
a
pan-african
sense
are
very
entrepreneurial
and
exciting
and
are
are
young
in
the
field.
So
a
lot
of
the
the
the
traditional
barriers
to
entry
and
the
traditional
barriers
to
acceptance
are
just
not
there
for
us
right.
We
don't
have
to
play
by
the
rules
that
the
that
europe
and
america
have
set.
A
These
are
saturated
marketplaces,
but
they're
also
marketplaces
that
current
software
companies
can
grow.
One
of
the
points
that
was
made
was
the
idea
that
africa
is
a
very
sparse
landscape.
We
have
a
lot
of
space,
we're
not
going
to
be
vulnerable
to
overpopulation
for
a
very,
very
long
time
and
at
the
moment
we're
we're
gathered
around
these
metropolises
but
that'll
that'll
change,
and
I
think
I
can't
remember
the
exact
numbers
either.
A
Those
lines
is
going
to
come
from
africa
just
because
of
the
the
space
that
we've
got:
the
population
growth
that
we
have
and
like
that's,
not
a
that's,
not
an
uncomfortable
number,
and
if
you
forecast
another
30
years-
and
you
look
at
you
know
with
with
a
sort
of
rapid
growth
in
terms
of
technology,
adoption
and
growing
at
a
ground
level.
I
think
that
that
strategically
posts
a
huge,
huge
opportunity
to
be
african.
B
A
So
are
there
any
I
mean
if
if
there
are
any
questions
from
the
audience,
please
feel
free
to
put
in
chat
if
you've
got
any
opinions
or
observations.
Please
share
them.
We'd
love
to
get
some
engagement
right,
we're
missing
people,
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
answer
questions
and
hear
what
you
have
to
think.
If
it's
not
about
this
topic,
maybe
it's
the
next
one,
but
I'm
not
sure
does
anybody
else
have
any
anything
else
they
want
to
talk
about
about
this
particular
topic.
G
G
As
someone
who
lectures
when
I
teach
students,
I
can't
expect
them
to
have
their
cameras
on,
because
you
know
not.
Everyone
has
a
stable
connection
and
you
also
don't
don't
want
to
be
invasive,
but
at
the
same
time
the
the
engagement
with
with
the
classes
and
the
content
also
drops.
I
see
it
also
at
work
when
I'm
training
other
junior
engineers
when
they
are
there
in
person.
The
engagement
is
big
and
everyone's
participating
and
when
it's
remote
or
when
the
same
person
is
not
sitting
in
front
of
you,
the
engagement
is
the
same.
B
All
right,
I
suspect
that
I
suspect
that
universities
will
probably
try
and
click
back
into
their
old
ways
of
doing
things
like
it's
a
it's
a
strong
suspicion
that
I
could
easily
be
wrong.
Yeah
like
it
seems
to
me
that
from
the
people
that
I've
spoken
to
so
far,
online
university
classes
are
like
not
terribly
engaging
and
for
me
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
what
a
university
is
about.
B
I'm
not
gonna,
be
too
specific,
then,
but,
like
all
of
that
is
lost
like
the
university
kids
are
just
like
isolated
and
they
can
get
the
same
content
from
coursera.
You
know
and
then,
like
universities
seem
to
be
acting
like
glorified
textbooks,
which
isn't
really
the
best
thing.
So
there's
like
that
part
of
it
and
then
the
other
part
is
like
getting.
People
to
engage
is
hard
like
people
don't
like
to
struggle
and
read
and
they'll
like
watch
youtube
videos
and
get
an
illusion
of
competence
and
like
watch.
B
And
then,
like
think
that
they
know
how
to
do
it
and
nonsense
like
that,
and
that's
really
tough
so
like
yeah,
like
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
difficulties
there
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
learning
in
an
engaging
and
effective
experiences
is
tough.
We
should
talk
about,
like
I
think
I've
probably
gone
over
time
with
this
topic.
Is
it
cool?
If
we
can
continue?
Let's
go
yeah,
okay,
cool
yeah
like
it's!
B
It's
it's
tough,
I
think
like
another
part
of
it
is
that
a
university
technical
course
doesn't
in
any
way
resemble
real
work.
So
it's
like
you.
You
have
a
sage
on
the
stage
telling
you
what's
up
and
you
have
to
read
some
textbooks
and
build
some
stuff,
mostly
by
yourself,
and
it's
like
it
doesn't
resemble
real
life,
and
then
somebody
gets
a
job
after
university
and
they're
like
what's
good,
you
know
or
like
how
do
I
team
and
that's
also
a
really
big
challenge
like
how
do
I?
What
is
this
like?
B
What
is
a
kanban
board?
You
know
this
stuff
like
that,
where
you
you,
wanna
yeah,
you
need
people
to
be
able
to
interact
as
a
as
an
effective
team
and
like
work
with
people
who
have
different
skill
sets
and
that's
not
something
that
you
you
get
to
practice
at
university
either.
So
like
we
have
at
a
museum,
we've
done
a
whole
lot
of
different
things
to
try
and
keep
things
quite
engaging,
and
I
think
that
we've
been
quite
successful.
B
I
think
when,
when
we
had
to
move
to
remote,
it
was
incredibly
challenging
and
incredibly
stressful.
But
since
we've
been
remote,
our
recruits
aka
students
have
been
fantastic.
I
think
one
thing
that
goes
into
the
fact
that
they're
fantastic
is
that
pre
covert.
We,
we
selected
a
bunch
of
students
to
join
us
and
we
selected
them
through,
like
in-person
analog.
B
You
know
boot
camps
and
just
like
when,
when
we
were
there
to
look
after
them
in
person-
and
those
guys
didn't
actually
do
that
well
after
we
shipped
it
to
remote,
because
we
were
selecting
for
certain
things
and
now,
if
we
select
people
for
their
ability
to
do
online
learning
they
they
seem
to
do
better.
But
also
the
process
we
put
them
into
is
better,
so
there's
a
million
variables
yeah.
A
But
but
if
we
look
at
the
the
remote
oriented
aspect,
I
think
that
I
think
those
that
can
learn
remotely
are
inherently
privileged
and
I
think
lucky
alluded
to
that.
Right.
You've
got
more
internet
access,
you've
got
a
computer
of
your
own,
and
these
are
challenges
that
that
limit
the
growth
in
technology
in
south
africa
or
in
south
africa
in
africa,
but
in
south
africa
specifically,
and
we
are
culturally,
as
africans,
far
more
communal
learners.
A
I
think
that
from
that
perspective
there
will
be
a
huge
swing
back
to
normalcy
when
things
go
back,
and
I
just
hope
that
some
of
the
affordances,
because
again
everything
is,
is
levers
and
trade-offs
right
and
some
of
the
affordances
of
remote
workers.
There
are
people
who
have
been
able
to
engage
in
remote
learning
and
they
have
help
opportunities
too,
despite
the
fact
that
maybe
they've
had
kids
to
look
after
right
yeah,
maybe
they
had
other
obligations.
A
Maybe
they
could
catch
it
up
after
hours,
and
you
know
it
doesn't
the
people
that
are
working
jobs
and
learning
at
the
same
time
and
studying
they.
They
get
benefit
because
they
don't
have
to
be
in
that
class
at
that
time,
as
a
human
being.
Otherwise
they're
going
to
be
kicked
out
of
the
university
yeah
yeah.
So
so
I
think
that
I
think
that
there
are
trade-offs
right
and
we
mustn't.
D
Because
whatsapp
is
one
of
the
most
popular
platforms
in
south
africa
and
they
did
what's
up
cause.
They
did
videos
which
they
sent
to
the
to
the
parents
on
whatsapp
to
help
the
children,
yet
at
the
same
time
it
in
in
her
opinion
when
she
was
watching
this
happening,
it
was
going
quite
well
and
it
seemed
like
everything
was
going
all
right
and
then,
when
they
went
back
to
school
towards
the
end
of
last
year,
she
was
recapping
their
maths
lessons
before
their
exams
and-
and
she
said,
okay,
so
who
remembers
this
everyone?
D
She
said
everyone
said
that
her
completely
blank,
because
so
yeah
it's
difficult,
and
I
think
that's
where
that
whole,
like
communal
studying
thing,
comes
into
play
because
you
you
learn
from
the
people
around
you
more
but
yeah.
I
think.
On
the
other
hand,
it
has
given
us
a
lot
more
new
and
creative
ways
of
doing
things,
which
is
pretty
cool.
Like
this
I
mean
we
didn't
do
this
last
year.
E
I
okay,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
introduce,
but
I
really
like
how
it
segues
to
the
next
talk
the
conversations
that
we're
having.
But
if
we
need
to
pause
for
an
introduction,
let's
do
that,
but
I'm
really
excited
about
how
actually
what
we're
talking
about
really
segues
to
this
kind
of.
Let's
do
it?
Okay,
so
so,
actually
highlighting
to
those
conversations.
E
But
just
a
step
back.
I
chose
the
topic,
which
is
design
when
you
go
ally
or
a11ne
with
material
design.
But
that
means
accessibility,
so
designing
accessibility
with
material
design,
and
these
are
like
google
like
material
design
where,
like
they
adhere
to
like
certain
accessibility
things
and
because
I
was
very
excited
about
this
topic.
I
went
and
read
a
little
bit
of
content
or
a
little
bit
on
the
talk.
What
they
mentioned
and
I'm
going
to
read
through.
C
E
But
the
the
the
description
of
it
really
is
powerful
and
driving
the
message
of
what
we
need
to
talk
about,
because
accessibility
is
not
a
buzzword
that
people
just
think
that
is
being
added
into
this
world
of
like
technology.
But
it
really
isn't,
and
it
means
something
a
little
bit
outside
and
even
like
even
more
than
just
the
digital
platforms
that
we
work
in
easy
example
that
what
we
just
talked
about.
But
accessibility
means
the
practice
of
making
products,
environments
and
social
structures,
usable
and
inclusive
to
persons
with
disability.
E
But
I
really
like
the
one
from
center
for
disease
control
and
prevention,
which
is
a
disability,
is
any
condition
of
the
body
or
mind
so
impairment.
That
makes
it
more
difficult
for
the
person,
with
the
condition
to
do
certain
activities
or
even
interact
with
people.
So
we
as
humans
can
have
some
form
of
disability
like
myself,
or
circumstances
that
create
this
inability
to
do
something
and
not
necessarily
a
medical
condition
so
not
being
able
to
see.
E
So
they
might
not
be
super
helpful.
So
I
had
to
go
back
and
go
and
book
and
those
website
which
is,
I
found
it
cryptic,
even
though
I
work
in
this
environment
in
this
industry
right-
and
I
can
imagine
that
the
population
in
south
africa,
who
mostly
don't
speak
english
and
maybe
not
might
be
very
digital,
would
could
find
this
difficult.
E
And
that
was
like
proven
to
me
the
next
time
when
I
went
there,
where
a
man
who
was
between
the
ages
of
50
to
65
or
so
was
turned
back.
But
not
only
did
they
not
understand
the
instructions
that
they
were
told
that
they
needed
to
do.
They
were
confused
because,
as
soon
as
he
gets
into
his
car
he's
going
to
see
a
metro
and
he
has
to
pay
for
stuff.
E
So
him
having
to
understand
that
he
needs
to
book
on.
This
website
was
a
lot
difficult
and
even
the
person
who
was
talking
to
him,
who
the
the
like
the
language
of
vanic
or
that
was
used,
was
like
in
english.
He
couldn't
comprehend
enough
to
make
himself
like
efficient
or
proficient
in
the
situation
of
trying
to
renew
his
driver's
license.
E
But
that
means
that
those
people
are
there
and
they
would
want
to
have
applications
that
also
cater
for
them
at
least
made
their
lives
a
little
bit
easier
when
they
have
to
do
important
things
like
renew
their
licenses
yeah.
So
that
is
pretty
much.
What
I
got
from
this
topic,
and
I
had
questions
prepared
for
all
the
individuals
in
this
panel
was
amazing.
E
E
It
has
been
existing
in
very
long
time,
but
we've
never
actually
paid
attention,
especially
with
developers
and
it's
always
pushing
in
the
back
foot,
and
I
then
started
looking
at
the
population
in
which
we
need
to
cater
up
for
for
people
and
maybe
not
only
just
disability
but
like
how
like
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
think
about.
Or
what
are
your
initial
thoughts
about
this
topic
when
it
comes
to
the
context
of
south
africa,
and
do
you
think
it's
relevant?
Do
you
think
you
know
yeah.
A
Which
class
or
privileged
background
you
come
from
right,
but
I
I
can
almost
guarantee
you
that
that
that
website
and
that
functionality
has
not
been
tested
on
a
feature
phone
like
looking
at
it.
Now,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
that
person
when
somebody
speaks
about
a
website.
I
open
in
the
background
with
dev
tools
right
looking
at
it
now,
there's
there's
no
way
that
any
of
this
stuff
will
work
with
our
javascript
enabled
or
a
powerful
phone
or
a
powerful
enough
phone
running
javascript.
C
C
A
A
F
E
C
F
C
A
So,
okay,
so
to
my
point
being
right,
sorry,
I'm
lucky
I'll!
Let
you
go
next!
I'm
really
really
sorry,
my
point
being
that
this
is
a
government
provided
website
right,
they're
they're,
providing
a
service
to
their
people,
they're,
not
making
money.
Out
of
this.
They
can't
say:
oh
well,
that
demographic
of
personal
or
can't
can't
use
our
service
whatever
we
don't
care
about
their
money
because
they're
not
wealthy
anyway,
right
or
whatever.
Whatever
argument
you,
you
you've
heard,
and
I've
heard
some
perlers.
A
Let
me
tell
you,
but
but
like
it's,
it's
a
public
service.
It
has
to
work
for
everyone,
it
can't
be
cut
across
class
divides
and
it
can't
it
can't
exclude
people
based
off
of
something
that's
actually
so
easy
to
get
right.
It's
in
the
primitives
of
the
language
and
cycling
back
to
what
what
rudy's
talk
is
actually
about.
F
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know-
I
think
it
was
the
european
union
that
passed
the
the
resolution
about
accessibility
and
I
think,
as
time
goes
by
we're
going
to
start
seeing
a
lot
more
of
that,
I
think
it'll
be
a
while
before
it
makes
its
way
into
africa.
But
you
know,
I
think,
that
it's
it's
a
sign
of
good
things
to
come
with
regards
to
making
accessibility,
not
an
afterthought,
but
actually
a
first-class
citizen
in
how
you
build
your
website
and
not
just
websites,
but
also
your
applications.
You
know
whatever
you
might
be,
building.
D
E
And
things
like
this
need
to
be
put
in
place,
because
I
I
I
am
of
not
like
I'm
also
at
fault
as
a
developer
in
this-
is
that
even
when
I
create
applications,
it's
not
a
first-class
citizen,
as
you
mentioned
ryan,
I'm
not
thinking
about
accessibility
out
of
the
box
and
because
we're
not
making.
We
are
not
normalizing
it.
It
becomes
another
cognitive
load.
E
Another
english
word
that
I
learned
as
I
prepared
the
slides
that
I
needed
to
think
about
when
I
you
know,
create
my
applications,
because
I
have
to
go
and
actually
like
think
about.
How
can
I
make
this
accessible?
It's
not
natural,
it's
not
normalized
and
it's
it
will
take
a
while
to
get
there,
but
it
would
be
really
nice
that
we
could
get
there
to
cater
for
situations
like
that
where
we
don't
have
to
do
anything
special.
E
You
know
just
like
any
other
person,
just
the
usability
of
something
that's
very
important
to
a
person
being
functional
in
the
world
becomes
so
difficult
because
no
one
actually
thought
about
the
usability
of
that.
I
don't
even
know
if
the
people
who
created
the
application
can
use
it
themselves
because,
like
surely
when
you
test
something
in
a
feature,
there
should
be
like
some
form
of
like
to
view
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
feature
description
or
what's
going
on.
It's
just
like
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
making
it
a
priority.
B
G
So
I
quickly
went
on
to
that
website
that
day
and
the
the
just
the
lack
of
semantic
markup
right,
just
just
it's
absolutely
absolutely
horrible,
so
it
it
seems
to
have
built
been
built
with
a
cross
platform
type
2.
But
the
point
is
that,
as
mike
said,
this
is
a
service
that
is
literally
life-saving,
that
we
need
to
create
for
people-
and
I
mean
this
this-
this
accessibility
goes
beyond
just
helping
people
with
visual
impairments
right.
It's
about
guiding
me
on
what
to
do
right.
G
I
I
I
recently
had
to
do
some
analysis
on
one
of
the
corporates
website
and
I
deliberately
well
initially,
it
was
accidental.
Putting
the
incorrect
information
and
the
error
message
that
they
kept
popping
up.
Was
that
there's
an
internal
technical
issue
right,
so
I
kept
clicking
submit
on
the
exact
same
thing
and
then
I
realized
that
my
phone
number
was
wrong
right.
G
So
if
that
is
a
big
usability
thing
that
if,
if
you're,
not
a
technical
person,
trying
to
figure
out
what
this
could
be
like,
what
the
problem
could
be,
you're
just
gonna
keep
refreshing
that
and
decide.
Okay,
this
thing
might
be
down.
Let
me
come
back
tomorrow
and
try
it
again
so,
and
I
think
the
biggest
concern
for
me
is
that
when
I
teach-
and
I
insist
on
projects
using
semantic
markup,
the
amount
of
fight
back
that
I
get
from
juniors
is
absolutely
concerning.
G
So
people
want
to
immediately
jump
into
using
angular
and
react
and
view,
and
all
of
these
things
something
as
simple
as
when
you
write
html
just
use
cement
pack
up
only
and
the
lengths
that
people
will
go
through.
Just
to
avoid
that
I
mean
I've.
I've
been
escalated
because
I
said
people
shouldn't
be
using
frameworks
to
build
a
static
website
and
I
was
escalated.
G
A
C
A
G
C
F
So,
if
you're
building,
let's
say
a
button
for
argument's
sake,
it
does
allow
you
to
say:
okay
well,
this
button
used
to
be
a
an
anchor
tag
with
in
the
href
doing
some
crazy
javascript
stuff.
You
can
fix
it
across
the
the
whole
part
of
your
website.
You
know
so
that
reuse
allows
you
to
say.
If
we
can
fix
the
accessibility
in
this
component,
we
get
it
for
free
everywhere
else.
D
F
D
C
F
Technology,
it's
like,
if
you
don't
take
the
time,
to
learn
the
fundamentals
you're
going
to
end
up
making
fundamental
mistakes
later
on.
It's
like
one
of
my
biggest
criticisms
about
the
net
framework.
A
couple
years
back
is
most
developers
didn't
know
what
was
happening
when
they
pushed
the
big
green
round
button
in
vs
code.
It's
like
I
push
the
button,
the
magic
happens
and
then
my.
C
A
You've
got
all
of
the
tools
and
all
of
the
language
primitives
that
you're
choosing
not
to
use
it,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
problem,
this
example
of
the
vaccine
portal.
This
is
a
flatter
example
and
flutter
is
all
the
rage.
Oh,
my
god,
you
can
build
a
flutter
app
that
builds
on
all
of
the
platforms
and
on
web,
and
it's
so
amazing.
E
B
B
C
G
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
combination
of
getting
good
resources,
but
also
actively
talking
about
the
work
that
you're
producing
and
being
able
to
share
it
with
people
and
get
feedback
from
people,
because
a
lot
of
developers
that
create
or
that
that
fall
into
these
problems
do
so
because
that's
just
how
they've
been
building
it
right,
they've
been
building
with
div
and
spam
for
the
past
10
years.
So
why
should
anything
be
different?
Now
it
works
right
and
that's
the
beauty
of
the
web
in
javascript
right
it
works.
I
can
see.
D
Yeah
so
one
of
one
of
my
favorite
accessibility
statistics
that
I
always
tell
and
tell
people
I
don't
remember.
I
may
have
learned
this
from
mike
there's
there's
about
six
six
percent
of
people
in
the
world
who
are
who
are
colorblind
and
there
is
now
less
than
one
percent
of
people
in
the
world
who
use
ie.
Yet
we
still
cater
for
ie.
C
G
When
I
talk,
then
I
teach
about
usability
on
on
the
web
because
because
that
touches
on
performance
as
well,
it's
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we're
delivering
products
for
clients-
and
we
are
building
sites
that
are
not
accessible.
If
it's
a
government,
we've
actively
excluded
people
from
getting
life-saving
help.
If
it's
a
corporate
that
is
selling
things,
we
have
literally
stopped
people
from
finishing
sales
on
their
things,
so
we're
not
actually
doing
our
our
our
work,
as
mike
said
we're
actively
excluding
people
from
the
service
that
we're
providing
but
yeah
with.
A
Okay,
so,
rather
than
moving
on
to
the
the
third
talk,
because
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
time
to
really
do
it.
Justice
right
we've
spoken
a
lot
about
about
things
I
think
we're
gonna
carry
on.
I
enjoyed
this.
I
thought
that
this
was
really
cool.
I,
like
speaking
to
you
and
I
think
that
there's
some
valuable
things
here
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
off
of
our
chest-
a
lot
of
feelings
how
bad
even
fiber
internet
is
in
south
africa.
A
A
A
B
Yeah
I
thoroughly
enjoyed
this.
I
found
it
very
engaging
I
often
find
like
we
were
talking
before
this
about
how
like
online
meetups,
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
synchronous
in
the
same
way
as
as
they
have
been
like
doing.
A
talk
doesn't
make
as
it's
just
not
as
engaging
like.
If
I
watch
a
talk,
I
want
to
watch
it
at
my
own
time
on
on
double
speed.
Please
so
this
is.
I
find
it
like
much
more
engaging
to
do.
B
A
G
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
activity
around
privacy
that
we
should
be
discussing
and
then
the
second
one
is
usability
on
the
web.
Now
this
touches
on
performance.
This
touches
on
accessibility,
yeah,
so
usability
is
a
big
topic
that
I'm
very
passionate
about.
So
those
are
the
two
things
that
I'd
like
to
discuss.
A
B
Something
that
I
didn't
mention
what
I'd
like
to
discuss.
I
think
one
thing
that
could
be
really
useful
to
a
whole
lot
of
people
is
just
like
good,
like
good
coding,
practice
and
good
architectural
patterns,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
because
people
like
their
noodles
and
code
should
not
look
like
noodles.
I
think.
F
E
Awesome,
I
really
appreciate
the
format
of
today's
talk.
I
cannot
say
it
enough,
because
everyone,
it
was
evidence
until
I
was
way
too
excited
about
this,
and
I
really
enjoyed
the
approach
and
the
conversations
that
we've
had.
I
think
jerry
was
also
up
next
with
her
talk,
so
I
definitely
think
we
need
to
give
an
opportunity
for
that,
and
maybe
in
the
combination
with
privacy,
then
because
it
was
going
to
be
the
next
point
that
we
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
so
just
how
we
navigate.
E
That
would
be
really
awesome
and
yeah.
I
think
any
conversations
or
any
topics
where
we
can
all
just
also
have
go
home
and
like
investigate,
so
that
when
we
are
here-
and
we
just
not
only
just
receiving
and
consuming
and
listening
to,
someone
talk,
but
we
can
also
just
contribute
exactly
programming
where
you
know
like
just
listening
and
listening
is
really
boring
but
having
to
be
part
of
the
the
the
solution
or
be
part
of
the
conversation
makes
it
more
involving
so
yeah.
More.
More
of
that
would
be
amazing.
D
Cool
so
before
I
share
my
my
opinion,
I
just
want
to
share
something
that
someone
shared
on
the
chat,
they're
saying
that
they
enjoyed
the
format,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
have
viewers
share
their
thoughts
as
well
yeah.
So
there's
the
comment
right
there,
so
I
was
just
thinking
I
was
just
thinking
about
about
that
and
maybe
that's
something
we
could
address
in
future
as
well
or
maybe
have
guests
join
us
or
something
along
those
lines.
D
So
more
people
can
share
their
thoughts
or
I
guess,
encourage
people
to
share
their
thoughts
on
the
in
the
comments,
and
we
share
them
like
this,
so
that
everyone
can
see
what
other
people
are
discussing
and
encourage
the
conversation
to
keep
going
in
the
comments
as
well.
That
might
be
something
we
can
look
into
as
well
and
then,
as
far
as
my
thinking
goes
here,
I
I
also
I
agree
with
rudy
in
terms
of
this.
This
is
really
fun.
It
does
force
you
to
learn
which
is
really
really
cool.
D
It
makes
makes
you
go
through
all
the
other
people's
talks
and
find
out
what
they're
about
so
that
you
can,
you
know,
have
something
to
say,
because
you
don't
want
to
just
sit
here
silently.
I
I
also
really
like
the
privacy
and
security
idea.
There
was
a
lot
of
talks
at
both
google,
I
o
and
microsoft,
on
the
two
topics,
and
it
will
be
interesting
to
see
how
these
two
big
companies
are
both
talking
about
the
same
thing.
D
It's
it's
really
cool
to
see
that
they're
all
boding
for
the
same
purpose,
which
is
another
idea
in
terms
of
something
we
could
do
in
future
for
talking
about
new
and
interesting
and
cool
things
in
the
web,
like
that,
like
you
know
that
are
still
behind
feature
flags
in
chrome
or
whatever
browser
it
is
you
use
things
like
that,
and
I
find
that
kind
of
stuff
very
exciting.
I
usually
use
these
kinds
of
origin
trial
features
and
my
demos
often
epically
fail
because
of
it,
but
yeah.
A
So
so
great,
I
think
that's
wonderful!
I
I
enjoyed
it.
I
thought
it
was
cool
hanging
out
with
you.
The
inspiration
for
this
came
from
the
fact
that
we
normally
sit
and
talk
after
after
a
talk
about
the
talk
and
about
different
things,
and
we
talk
before
the
talk
and
it's
always
such
interesting
conversation.
A
I
think
your
idea
of
of
architecture
and
different
perspectives
of
architecture
is
really
valuable.
We
talk
a
lot
about
sort
of
the
ground
floor
in
terms
of
this
is
how
you
build
your
first
gatsby
app,
or
this
is
this
framework
versus
that
framework
or
this
language
versus
that
language,
and
very
few
people
talk
about
literally
everything
else
in
between
and
the
things
that
make
software
hard,
which
is
the
the
long
reach
and
ramifications
of
you,
know,
design.