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From YouTube: Jupyter Community Call - July 26, 2022

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Recording from the Jupyter Community Call in July 2022.

The notes from this call can be found here: https://github.com/jupyter/jupyter/issues/627

Read more about these calls on Discourse: https://discourse.jupyter.org/t/jupyter-community-calls/668

A

There we go wonderful, hello, hello, everyone and welcome to the july 2022 jupiter community call my name's isabella for anyone who hasn't met me I'm going to be hosting today. um Thank you for posting the agenda in the chat again yay. We will be going through that through the whole time. Oh boy, here we go before we get started, though I have to say my usual little things, which are one right. This is a this call is recorded.

A

You probably heard that if I did it right, yes, I did and then two this is a jupiter community event we're held to the jupiter community's code of conduct. That includes me. If that ever comes up, you can find it anytime at jupiter.org conduct. We confirmed that does still work last call.

A

So, thank you for that again and third, if I ever mispronounce your name, let me know um I'm trying to get name pronunciation omnipotence and you can help me along the way so yeah without further ado, we'll get started if you haven't been here before we're going to follow kind of the order of the agenda in this call, meaning that we're here you know to kind of celebrate, talk anything about jupiter talk about what's happening in the ecosystem. Possibly and just yeah get excited about what's happening.

A

It looks like we already have some things going, but people are typing so yeah. Let's take a moment. What we're going to start with first are the short reports celebrations and shout outs. So these are all things that maybe don't require further discussion, though we do have time for it today and uh darian you're. First on the list, if you're ready to speak but you're still typing sorry sure.

B

No, um what is just an announcement that the third branch of the new jupiter governance is in a pr that's currently being voted on and the voting period ends on friday.

B

So um what this means for most people is not very much, but if you are involved in a sub project- and you are in the named team- the council for that sub project, then you could start considering either yourself or nominating someone else from your council to uh represent your sub project in the new software steering council as it starts to come online, and uh this process has been in the works for kind of a long time. The first piece of it was the jupiter distinguished contributors, which we started doing.

B

uh I guess uh over a year and a half ago, at this point, and then the next was the software steering council which in theory passed, but we first needed to ramp up individual sub-project councils before we can start naming people for the project-wide thing um now.

B

The software steering council is meant to be a place where representatives from the different jupiter sub projects have regular conversations and they will be the body that votes on jupiter enhancement proposals, and they will be basically in cross communication regularly to make sure different parts of the project are aware of each other and are doing things somewhat in tandem. Obviously, like projects do their own sort of road mapping and feature selection and all that, but um but there still needs to be communication, so that's that update.

B

um I also added a short other update, which is lumino 2.. If you don't know, lumino is the ui framework that I mean, I guess framework strong word. It's.

C

A ui library that jupiter.

B

Lab and notebook v7 are built with it's a high performance library that offers some things that are difficult to do in a um in a desktop like web browser in a performant way. Having.

B

Many to one signaling having a messaging apparatus to send uh say: resize events, all the way down the tree of components that your application might be built of. So one of the simplest ways to describe what makes lumino different than some other tool is uh imagine you're in jupiter lab.

B

You have a file browser on the left hand, side, and you have your main area on the right hand, side and you grab that little line that separates them and you drag it back and forth all the components, resize sort of performantly and that's a very difficult thing to do with many libraries, because many libraries will have to individually know all the things beneath them and propagate that downward, whereas with luminol, that's sort of built in there's a messaging system that sends resize messages up and down without client code needing to necessarily intervene or do anything about it.

B

And for a very long time we've been using luminol 1.x. It is a pretty stable library. We don't change it that much, but because we have jupiter lab 4 and notebook 7 coming out.

B

It seems like a good time to do a bunch of technical debt, catch up and maintenance and release lumino 2 so that we can upgrade the version of typescript that compiles on, so that we can remove some deprecated code and so that we can add potential deprecation warnings for things we want to do in a future version, say: illumino 3, along with jupiter lab 5 or something so, if you're interested in the ui library that the jupiter frontends use, you can follow that pr, I'm still working on it, I'm not the only one and uh that's it.

B

A

Those were really big updates. Thank you like big questions, but maybe we'll circle back to that, since we have some other um things on the short report. So thank you, darian, okay, uh roland. I think you're next.

D

Yeah thanks, um I just wanted to remind everybody that um the security sub project developed a policy to require all project developers, jupiter project developers, to turn on uh two-factor authentication on github by october 1st, um actually before that much before that. But the good news is that most subprojects look like they're, pretty close to having everybody who's. A participant have 2fa turned on.

D

I think the biggest project that um had the the the most the most people who did not have 2fa turned on was um was jupiter lab and I believe that um rick or matthias were going to be reaching out to that project, to try to to clear that up so again um by the first, which is going to be here in a few days.

D

If you don't have 2fa turned on on github, please please do that.

D

A

Great now, that's thanks for reminding everyone, since we have a lot of different people here and okay. Next, on the list we have nick.

A

C

Sorry, I'm here I was just.

A

C

uh What did I put down? First, I put two things down and I don't remember the order that I put them in okay.

E

C

One is um been a long time coming, but uh with all those upgrades that have been.

A

C

uh Over the while for jupiter lab two and various other things we're the voila, which is an official jupiter sub project, and it's kind of the best guess that we have for actually making deployable data driven uh single kernel per user dashboards um is inching closer to working with all those jupiter lab things, which is great for the longest time it was using the old required js stuff, which was great if you had old, required js stuff, but with notebook, 7 and jupiter lab 4 coming out in the in the near term.

C

uh There's just that's going to be the only reason that you would want to continue to support those. So um this new poll uh means that um you know you'd be able to manage all your stuff inside of pip installed packages.

C

It's not going to go talk to require.js and cdnjs and unpackage.js, and all those other command and control delivery mechanisms.

C

um So that's a very exciting thing for a lot of folks that have been asking for dashboards for a long time um and we're like well voila is great, but you know you have to do special support things to to do it and it's probably just going to work better now and then the shtick on top of that is, uh we should be able to adapt that for jupiter light. So that's really getting to something where it's. There is no deployment.

C

You just push a web page up and it talks to an existing api or it talks to an existing. You know graphql endpoint or something like that, and you get this full um kernel-based experience without all the jupiter chrome.

A

No, that is all okay. I feel like that's the ending of many of your shares and I never feel that is all, but no that's awesome. Thank you.

C

That work, uh I'm just pointing it out as something that is of general interest for the community.

A

Right right well, thank you. I think we'll be circling back to you, but next on the list we have frederick. This also sounds like a big announcement. Things are happening.

E

Hey guys, I hope you are hearing me well because I've internet connection travel today, but it's just uh to announce that you have for this: uh the jupiter 3.4.4 batch version and for people interested you can have a look to the changelog. So nothing major is the batteries and we are working hard to to start 4-0 better. So most thing coming, hopefully very soon,.

C

A

Wonderful thanks for letting us know, um I'm yeah, okay, I'm next on the short reports uh I just realized. I haven't mentioned it in a while. We still have jupiter lab accessibility calls happening. We will have one this week, um so it will be tomorrow. 10 15 a.m. Pacific, though, if you look on the community, calendar it'll turn it to your time zone, nice and easy. So I'd recommend doing that.

A

Even though that's a jupiter lab accessibility call, I think it's our main touch point for like accessibility meetings in general across the project, so we're definitely open to anyone who wants to be there just putting that on record again in case anyone might not have heard of it and happens to listen to this recording so yeah.

A

You can see me again in a little over 24 hours if you really want to how exciting. I know great um next we're going back to nick for another announcement.

C

Thanks isabella, um so the uh uh the other piece on there is. uh We finally were able to work the jupiter light front end stuff into the ipad widget stocks, so uh ipad, widget eight is coming out soon. It's already in release candidate and uh um brings.

A

C

It a bunch of nice new features and um it's on it's hidden under the latest uh place in the ipad widget stocks, but you can try out all the new stuff in there um and you can try it out right in that browser without spending any google cloud credits or whatever um on binder. So um that is all I also didn't do any of that work. uh That was all that was all jason and uh and the team over on the uh uh I thought we did. Three phones.

A

Wow this is I I it's always funny to me. The short reports always end up being really exciting to me and leaving here with a lot of questions, congrats on all the releases y'all or just all the kind of culmination of work like with governance or security recommendations. That's really awesome to see.

A

Sometimes it's a long time coming, but it's cool to see all of these things at a point where we can celebrate, even if it is a patch release of something and not a major, but we've got a nice mix going on awesome. I am, though, gonna be quiet for a few seconds and let you contemplate if there's any more announcements, but this was really great.

A

Okay, well, we can always circle back if you all think of anything, because we still have an empty agenda. For the moment, though, I certainly have ideas of rabbit holes to drag you all down. If we need it, I'm. Similarly, though, gonna open it up, does anyone have something longer they want to share or bring up a discussion from the? um What are we saying from the short reports? That would also be great. Does anyone have questions about what people said there.

A

Okay, well, in that case, I think what I'm going to do is be kind of selfish and ask y'all. You know I mentioned right before we started this call that I've been thinking.

A

I need to do some outreach, because I'm communicating to a lot of the same groups for these meetings and so maybe trying to get some different shares in, but uh that's going to take some effort for me, which is fine, but can I ask what are like your favorite things that happen at community calls like what are your best community call memories, so I can see like what kind of stuff you like to have here, and this will be silence until someone decides to say something.

C

Someone likes pie yeah. This pie is good um I've. You know I'm kind of torn because, like I really like seeing products that people are building on top of the jupiter stuff, but it's such a fine balance and you really have to be in the right place for it not to just be a marketing pitch, because that is obnoxious and- and I don't you know, I don't care how many you know, iso certifications you have and how big your customer list is like. Are you doing cool stuff with jupiter and getting paid?

C

And I want to listen to that stuff all day long, because that's why we have a downstream friendly licensing regime? That's why we make it easy to extend every part of the architecture, um but again it's hard to like. I don't think you want to be asking for people's press releases right like that's, not cool or I mean that's cool if that's what you're into, but I don't think that's what this community calls about, but I do think it is important for people to know.

C

That's about that. You know it's about that right, like open source. The way that jupiter does open source is not about uh we're not trying to protect anything.

C

You know in jupiter so that the people that build jupiter get paid right like that's, not that's not why it's set up that way, so it's not like redis and and all those other things where you've got to incorporate it so because of that other companies can build stuff on top of it- and I love hearing more about that. So I don't know if there's more, there isn't really a place on like discourse for there's show-and-tell, but there isn't like hey we're corporate entities that that support jupiter and oh yeah.

C

Here's this thing that we build on top of jupiter. I don't know.

A

No, that's a good point because I figured people might say demos more generally, but that's interesting, just think the specific of like what are the things people are are building in a different direction: right, not just additive, not just what work people are doing, but what they are building fully on top of is really interesting.

A

We also have pi in the list, I'm assuming that there's not any further further comment. There, though, you are welcome to talk more about pi. If you want make this community call what you want it to be immediately, but that you don't have to.

A

So, for example, for oh no is someone gonna speak. You can't tell no okay.

C

Some of the thematic conversations that aren't strictly on topic have been really interesting, and so uh you know, maybe maybe there is a point to having a theme of the month. You know like that. We're gonna talk about today or uh or you could toss out.

C

Here's a library that we'd like to see some demos of or here or have people propose that or uh here's a data set. Do some cool jupiter junk with it, and even if it was like, because we never actually do lightning talks right, the the structure is you get you get one minute or you get 10 minutes, but there's never.

C

We've never really done like the five minute, like the express call out of the five minute, and maybe that would be less scary for people I'm just like I'm sure the whole package, it's just here's, here's, the top of one notebook or the or more practically here's the bottom of one notebook right where I made something cool happened. um Okay on to the next person.

A

Okay, no that's a good point too.

A

I I know, for example, one of my favorite things, oh, is things working um in community calls is actually like. I like seeing what people are doing like what kind of research, even if they're, not necessarily extending jupiter. That may be my designer bias there, but I really like seeing like what kind of problems are people solving, because I feel like I'm always surprised. I think I have a good scope of what people do with these tools and then someone shows up and says.

A

Actually I'm doing this thing, that's totally different and that's one of my favorite moments, but those I think I don't know how I would find them right if I enjoy them for the surprise anyway,.

A

Cool cool I'm going to be quiet for a few seconds again for any of you to decide why you are still coming to these calls, which I'm very grateful but you're here for a reason, I think, or by accident. You thought this was a different call.

D

Okay, I just vote for the lightning talks concept as part of the agenda. I think that would be. I think that would be a welcome addition to the agenda that would you know, kind of fill in the space between one minute and and ten minutes.

A

No, that's good to know. I didn't like that's good feedback. I didn't know that people were necessarily feeling like there were those rigid barriers for time. So that's really good to know. I am also seeing from simon live. Demos are always good, even if they're incomplete. I agree. I think everyone likes going on that adventure, um even if it crashes and burns at some point. I really enjoy it still cool and I also see from darian uh I'd like to see a combination of the last thing.

A

Nick said, and the current thing isabella is saying so like a people to report a new thing they learned uh today, I learned using jupiter notebook recently, that's a good prompt. um I know I've kind of sent the prompts out sometimes, but I haven't been sure if it's discouraged people from sharing other things but worth a try again cool.

A

Thank you all. I'm going to write those down. While you have a moment of silence to ponder, but.

B

A

Yeah I'll move on.

A

Okay awesome thank you for for entertaining me on this call and I will put in some ideas to try and get these these shares happening again. These calls typically have ebbs and flowed over the past. What is it one and a half years? I don't know more than a year um in terms of when we get really full agendas and then really quiet agendas, but wonderful, thank you for the ideas bye nick. Thank you um did that inspire anyone else like to have something to say.

A

If not, I will come up with more questions or let you go, but just thought I'd propose. Since I know this is our first, I think in the last two months this has been the most friendly uh european time. Some of you I haven't seen in a little while so.

A

I always feel like. I need the jeopardy theme for these calls, but that's both very like I think, u.s, centric and licensed, but that's what it makes me feel like when we sit here sometimes.

A

Okay- well, I'm not here to spend all your time this morning. Thank you so much for going on this adventure with me similar to a live demo, perhaps, but with a little less exciting, uh like explosions and glitter in the background, but uh thanks for all these great ideas- and really this is a great list of short reports and celebrations. It super helps me stay on top of what's happening in the ecosystem and helps me point people in the right direction.

A

I hope it does the same for you so great have a great rest of your day. Everyone.

D

Thanks isabella thanks isabel.