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From YouTube: Jupyter Community Call - August 31, 2021

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Recording from the Jupyter Community Call in August 2021.

The notes from this call can be found here: https://jupyter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/community/community-call-notes/2021-august.html

Read more about these calls on Discourse: https://discourse.jupyter.org/t/jupyter-community-calls/668

A

Bite from nothing um cool uh federic did you have you uh had a good experience with the program? Also.

B

Yeah, that was my first time as a mentor for the program, and that was very, very interesting and a nice way to be able to have people starting to contribute to the ecosystem. So nice, just my time that has to be invested. So I can do that.

A

Indeed, indeed, but you've been getting a lot done this these past couple months, so uh it's pretty impressive. I look forward to hearing some of your feedback on the program later on um um we're all interested in these newcomer programs and how to bring people into the community all right. uh Let's uh are there any other. Did anybody else like to introduce themselves uh say hi? um If not, we can continue along.

A

Alrighty, it looks like the security crew and the hpc crew is about to tell us some things roland. You want to uh step up and let us know what you all have going on.

C

Sure I just have um a couple short announcements that I wanted to share with everybody. Both of them relate to uh just upcoming meetings and trying to get the word out about these meetings. The first one is that there is a monthly uh jupiter hub and high performance computing uh meeting that we hold. um I've got the link to the agenda there in the minutes for this meeting and there's also a link there to the to the project community calendar.

C

um That meeting is the first wednesday of every month and it's a place for people to get together to commiserate around super computing and jupiter hub and high performance computing deployments, and then the second one is around the newly formed jupiter security subproject.

C

We have bi-weekly meetings around jupiter security topics, not for discussing specific vulnerabilities, but around talking about general issues around securing jupiter deployments. Those are bi-weekly on fridays at 9 00 a.m, and the next call is going to be on the 10th. So this friday we're off. But next friday, we're back on and the topic of that meeting is going to include one of the topics for that meeting is going to be the trusted ci engagement that we have uh with trusted.

C

Ci um they've done an initial review of all of the security documentation across all of the jupiter subprojects, and so um we're going to go over that at that meeting, and I think that should be very interesting. A very interesting topic.

C

That's all I wanted to say.

D

Very cool, are we gonna have formal cve processes in the future? uh We don't have them now.

A

Where are they? Where are those stocks at.

C

I think this is this.

D

Is part of what we want to address.

C

Right yeah go ahead.

E

Rick yeah uh we're trying to cover two things. One is like what the hell the trusted ci is what's outward facing to the users and deployers, and then we just kind of want to start this conversation like hey. How do we manage credentials to the github orgs, who manages the ssl search for jupiter oregon?

E

What is the cva process? Can we write this down in a few lines and make the community aware so I'm glad you're bringing that up, because this is kind of how we, you know socialize ideas and where people might want to put work.

A

Very cool I'm excited for that work. um I know matthias from ipython uh has been pretty aggressive, with filling out some of these things too. So hopefully he gets in touch with you all soon. Also.

E

He he deserves a lot of credit, because he kind of helped push this at the very beginning. A few years ago,.

A

Cool it takes a long time to get stuff off the ground in open source. Doesn't it it also takes a long time to roll your eyes like that too. That was awesome. The best response.

E

Let's also not forget the last year and a half that it just kind of made it even harder roland and I have had a community workshop. This is all a community workshop effort that snowballed.

A

Right right I mean I've, it's been like the last five or seven years. I mean. Isn't the blip in marvel like a real thing or is it? Is that what we just lived through, I'm not sure anyway. um Are there any more announcements, uh so rick and roland uh said their piece? uh Does anybody have any recent releases uh any celebrations, any uh kind words they'd like to say before we get into the agenda items.

F

uh I can just chime in there's been a whoa.

G

I've never seen all of.

H

I feel, like context, is needed for people who might not know nick. This is a new look.

F

uh Every once in a while, it's like a reverse werewolf. um So uh yes, I I normally have a beard down to here and hair down to here, but I don't today so and I won't for a while. I guess um there's been we're starting the ramp up for uh python 3.10.

F

um A lot of our old friends like noes are not coming along for the ride and so be prepared for a little bit of rocky stuff. We're trying to get some releases out. um So this has impacted traitlets. This, which no longer requires a bunch of things. This is impacted, ipi kernel, it's going to impact ipi widgets, so you know if you didn't lock down your environments like two weeks ago.

F

Well, you've got to kind of have to watch out for what's going to be happening in the next couple weeks, but if anybody recalls how the 3.9 rollout went, it was not super smooth um and so we're trying to do a little bit better. This time and we've got more ci running against more nightlys and rc's and stuff like that. So, but there will be releases and they will break your stuff. So um you know don't say I didn't warn you.

A

Well, thanks new look nick I've never seen you get rid of the hair and the beard at once. It's either been the beard at one time or the hair at another time, but the whole kitten caboodle. It's just like you got the the mall discount um alrighty.

A

So if anybody, if things break blame dick um and let's see we got some updates from mike, uh you want to tell us a little bit how translation's going mike.

I

Yes, just very quickly, uh I want to mention that troop the lab translation strings are now all in uh crowding, which is the system that we are using to collaborate on translations, and we would be very happy if you can contribute or spread the word around many languages are mostly uh ready to go.

I

uh There are also some extensions uh in addition to jupiter lab itself, and we are looking forward to getting this finalized and releasing advanced series of language packs.

A

How cool, how cool that's very exciting, to hear um what languages do we have good coverage on at this point? Are there quite a few.

I

Certainly chinese is fully completed and french is fully completed. As steve just said, in the chat- and I guess polish has pretty good coverage, there are some languages which have good coverage, but um the translations are not confirmed because we have to change context of some strings. Those were unmarked and needs just someone to press a tick and confirm whether this is still a good translation.

A

Very cool, thank you for sharing all that. um It's exciting um alrighty. Are there any more short announcements instead of putting your name on the list, I'm gonna, let you all shout at the same time, loudest voice wins.

A

Cool um alrighty. So let's move on into our agenda item and let's hear about navin's experience with the mlh fellowship and his work on the jupiter gate extension.

J

Okay, so I'm going to share my screen.

A

Wonderful, we can see the heck md.

J

This I hate how like the zoom screen, sharing toolbar overlaps with my chrome tab, okay anyways, I was supposed to have um you know, fancy presentation. This was for the fellowship, but I guess for this call I can be a little more casual. um The title of the presentation was getting good at uh jupiter labbing. This is me, this is um my partner who is uh not here at the moment he helped out.

J

His name is cena, and this is frederick, of course, uh past nine weeks we spent um contributing like features and tackling major issues in the jupiter lab git extension. So, although it wasn't the you know, the whole editor code base. At least we got a very vital extension. That's used by a lot of people in a lot of teams, um so yeah frederick was very vital. He show he taught um tell me a lot of stuff about. You know how open source works and um how jupiter lab itself works.

J

I feel like if we had, if we had a different mentor, who didn't know much about the editor but only knew the extension. We would have been worse off so to frederick merci beaucoup.

J

So, in the past nine weeks, uh my if this could load yeah, we contributed to five pull requests. Two of them were just bug fixes to get our hands. You know dirty on the code base and the other three which I'll be demoing today are um features so without further ado. This is.

A

J

One uh git commit amend so what this does it just plops your stage changes onto the you know the last committed commit um before in jupiter lab. You didn't have a way to do this, so you had to do it to the terminal and if you weren't, terminal, savvy or just didn't know about get well, this would be frustrating and hard. um So now we bring the ability into jupiter lab by adding a a button that says, amend uh next one I want to talk about before.

J

I show this uh demo for these two is the git history for a selected file. So in jupyter lab you um before, you would only see the get history for the entire repository and, if you're someone who's like just a data analyst working in a large code base that only worries about one notebook. You really don't care about everyone else's history and just wants to come in history for that one file.

J

So we bring that into jupiter lab by simply right, clicking onto a context menu and it's nice and pretty so I'll demo that now first um it's this one. So this is actually uh the code base for jupiter lab. Get because I don't have any other code bases right now with a lot of commit history. um So let's start with um this: the single file history. So if we go to the get tab and then you click history, nothing new here, it shows the entire history for the repository, fine and dandy.

J

um Now let me edit this readme with some text.

J

And press save um now we go back to the git panel. We see um so now, if I right click and then press history. I could also do this through just the regular file browser get history.

J

Now we see this nice pretty div. That says. Oh, this is the file history for just the readme, and it shows only the commits for this file. Something too hard. You press on it it'll show the diff as normal, um but this node, this uncommitted changes is also new, so there wasn't really a way to know hey. This is the stuff you've just typed um in jupiter lab. So this is also new.

J

um Basically to revert back to the regular repository history, you just press the x that was the selected file history and now let me show the amend.

J

So let me just commit a file.

J

And you press commit, so that's fine, but now let me revert these changes now staged now, when you press these three dots, there's the regular create a new commit, but you can also amend one so when you press that the commit message in the commit description gets disabled and then we press commit, but that wasn't supposed to be there. um Okay anyways, it should commit normally and then it would be appended to this. uh You know this brand new commit moving along to the very last one. I think this try.

A

And run it one more time.

J

A

Hit that button again, I think that there was a pre-commit hook there that got in your way no bummer yeah. So this might be something to consider eventually, but nevertheless,.

J

Yeah, this worked um in my regular demo. I don't know.

A

I wanted I wanted to see it happen for you. I, like all these features that you have like with the notifications and the choices and stuff. It's pretty.

B

A

B

It's because the commit will become an empty. If you commit all your changes, you still need to want changes. That's the error message.

B

Wait so like what do I do? You still need to make some change, not all of them, but some change.

K

Like just remove jupiter lap in the redmi area like right and then amend this here,.

A

J

A

See we're not blaming this on you we're blaming this on git, it's the stupidest part of software.

J

I I'll let you just have that statement.

J

K

J

Are very opinionated on that statement, so I don't want to. You know, move on with that, uh but this is the last one I want to talk about, and this was the most important contribution I made. um It brings merge conflict, preview and resolution into the editor. So you know if you're a developer- and you know like about version control, you know that merge conflicts are like one of the biggest pain in the asses.

J

You can have right, but that's from a developer standpoint now, look at it from a view where you don't really know about. You know get practices, you don't you just know it as something you need to do as a chore to push your uh your notebook onto some remote repository.

J

So when, like data, analysts or data scientists see a merge conflict, it's like five times the hell that a developer would face when they get a merge conflict. So um what this feature brings is you'll get a new conflicted tab which I will show after that says which files are conflicted and you can preview and resolve notebooks and text files within the editor.

J

So without having to leave you um the editor or just enter a terminal, so this is a example repository I made for this demo and we have a conflicted file, uh conflicted text file and a conflicted notebook. So if I were to um you know diff the text file, we now get a triple diff, which is uh brand new to the editor. um So we can, you know, do whatever we can revert this change and um you know edit stuff, whatever we want and just to save the file as resolved.

J

You just press mark as resolved, and now it's in your staging area. That's wanted. So now, let's look at the notebook which is more used. um I gotta be honest. I don't have much experience with jupiter notebooks, so I'm not going to like modify too much, but what I do know is that if I press mark as resolved it's going to work, fine, uh so there's you can see, there's different outputs have changed. The cell has changed.

J

um So if I were to press mark as resolved, this would hop into our staging area, and then I could do you know whatever I want and then commit and uh that's about it. The last slide was really for everyone else. um It was just to show that hey, open source is really cool and if you're, a large company that hasn't delved into open source sponsorship and stuff like that, now is your chance to open source your heart out um so yeah. That's basically my presentation.

A

Well, I can't wait for you and your open source, your heart out band, to play your next gig. That was really great. Thank you so much for sharing that there any questions for navin uh and his work or his fellowship.

B

I just listen. Sorry, okay. I just misunderstood the last example. What what does the mac has resolved button does? In fact, is you resolve automatically the conflict? I did not understand.

J

Well um so, thanks to nbdime like it resolves as much as it can on its own and for the example I had like um it was able to resolve. You know automatically without me having to make any changes. uh Suppose it was an even larger notebook with you know something that needs to be manually resolved and I press mark as resolve by accident. You get a pop-up saying, hey, you still have conflicts and then the user would have to manually resolve them. It was just because my example was very simple that it worked out.

J

Fine, um but yeah.

B

Okay, I understand thanks and for for the people that are looking for a release luciano, I see you, so the release has not been done yet. For that last feature, the other has been released, but not that one, because we need a bit more um testing, especially for hkz cases where a file was deleted in one branch and not in the other one, those kind of things. So hopefully we can. We can do that quickly and we can release it.

B

In fact, I'm really interested by this, because I write notebook for scientists here at ucrf and when I make some update and usually they make their own modification on their end and then it's sometimes pain to you know, put everything together and resolve the conflict. So that would be very helpful to have this feature.

L

Yeah we have similar feedback on people that are using it, so it will be very welcome.

A

Cool um if this feature is still in progress, I'm wondering if we could use like ours and theirs for these merge conflicts. But aside from that, I'm excited that everybody else is excited to land, to see this, um and thank you for sharing uh it's uh now, then you said there is another person that helps you with this is: were they part of the fellowship? Also.

J

um They were, they just had to leave. You know early due to external reasons, so I'm the only.

A

J

Ability to demo stuff but yeah cool.

A

So so so you had like not only uh management mentoring support, but you had some coding team support. Also, while you were doing this.

J

A

Neat, uh my last question is uh frederick: uh how did you all get involved in? How did you wind up getting involved in this program.

B

Actually they contacted me so I was like that's.

M

B

A

Man, wonderful.

B

A

Like we need like a.

B

Oh go ahead. The their pattern is that companies pay them to to finance students to contribute to open source project, and so one of the company was interested in that particular extension. And so they took the burden to contact maintainer and to be sure that some people were ready to help on the open source front.

A

Very cool, thank you for filling us in on that.

A

Alrighty, um let's move on and mike, let's hear about the citation manager, you know you're looking for feedback last time uh or a couple meetings ago. Let's hear where you are.

I

Hi, can you hear me well.

H

A

I

Okay, okay, um so I will dive right into the demonstration of citation manager, maybe first I'll be showing one thing which is site to see. So this is basically the predecessor and um why I have this idea to create a citation module for triple lab. So site2c was a way to add citations for book 10 notebook, and it was very good software, a very good extension. However, it wasn't really developed recently. No was it supported to triple up so.

I

Students like me, who wanted to have citations inside of a notebook, really had no good way to add them or view their existing citations from site to c extension.

I

So that's why there is now a triple citation murder, which is very much work in progress, and this demo is mostly to the feedback and encourage you to check it out and say what everything what features you would like to have.

I

So it basically works in multiples. So I I just switch this back down and that's these two patterns, so one is to add a citation and you can see it's a lot of various journals. Various articles from from journal articles and other items which come from the zotero citation manager and that's that's it so basically renders- and the next thing that you can do is add typography.

I

So I want to add it in this and I can add a title. So, let's just copy that it looks like this. So then, when I add another citation item, let's see this one, it will automatically update.

I

So we can have many citations and the idea is also to enable citation clusters and support any citation style which is available out there.

I

The next thing which it allows you to do is to change the citation style and you can just start typing and see lots of styles which are available and the preview of how any given style would look like oops. So I clicked on one and now the citations are just numbers and the bibliography changed as well.

I

Another thing that I think is cool is this, which allows me to check what applications I have added to my library without leaving jupiter lab. So first it displays the citations which are already in this document and they are sorted by how many times an item is cited, but I can also search for publications which are not currently cited and maybe open. Then wow, let's see if.

M

This will work, so are you doing an active search for papers.

I

No, this is only a collection from my uh my collection, so ah basically this is it. So here is um a list of items that I added from my browser.

I

Through iron software connection, it was synchronized with the software server, so this is a proprietary but really open source service, and it allows me to now, after synchronizing this button, to explore everything and also go into more details, see how uh how it looks and then read that uh yeah so moving on to how it works.

I

Let me first show that notebook.

I

As maybe in a json editor, so it adds a metadata item which is very similar to how site2c worked, but slightly different. So the idea was to enable um adding.

I

Storing the citations metadata in the notebook, because if you will share your notebook with a collaborator- and they don't have any specific item in their collection, they wouldn't be able to, for example, change the citation style and we render it or could corrupt your collection of references. If this information is not attached to the notebook and further because.

I

The citations references are attached to the cells in the cell metadata, you can move cells around move to another notebook and uh those will still be attached to the cell and the extension will be able to recover them and match to the appropriate item.

I

So this is the cool part. There are also features enabling you to import citations from, for example, site to c, which is a different format, and I guess I don't have a situation here.

I

Okay, this this one isn't working, because this was already converted.

I

But another converter, so so there are different ways to import citations from existing notebooks. One is, as I mentioned aside to see, but the other one is to just take a.

I

Story reference and if you have a citation there and uh linking to a toy, then it will be automatically imported when you open this next time um and what's underneath what's driving this, so this is basically using citation styles language, uh defining how the various citation styles work and um it's shipped from the typical app citation data package and thanks to nick for suggesting this idea to distribute those separately uh which are basically x ml files, but with a different extension which define how the citations should behave.

I

So there is several thousand of those and then for fetching citations. uh Currently, it's uh integrated with etc web copy. So it's just sending plain http request servers, um but in theory this accession is structured in a way that any other manager which offers a rest up could be connected to that and what you need to.

I

To connect this only uh providing okay, this video expired. So I cannot show you that's really well, because you need to um provide suitable apple key, which can be read only and generated after logging in on their website, and there are some other settings like default style or output format.

I

So this is basically it. The next steps um is really defining the scope. What features are still missing and what would be useful to implement? So I can structure the code um to its final form, interpolating any major, refactorings and then also adding support to jupiter with deep deck and possibly extending the support from some sort of specific things like labors and collections and hopefully making a release before the end of this year.

A

Very nice uh share mike.

A

Does anybody have any questions comments, feedback.

H

I'm just really excited because I wanted to see citation stuff and I know it's existed, but I love to see all this work. Thank you.

A

uh All right, well uh one! I had one question for you mike: what is it that you study there's this like weird software demo, mixed amongst cancer and cigarettes? So uh what what are you working on.

I

So my background is in bioinformatics and I'm doing omix integration currently and specifically applying that to certain women's diseases. Basically, looking at small biomolecules.

A

Neat, it's surprising, you said that you're a student- and it still surprises me because you get so much work done. I have a hard time remembering you're still in your studies. Good luck and thank you for sharing that. um uh uh Have you shared a link to the repo um in the heck, md or zoom chat?

A

If you could, that would be great, so folks can get to it. Awesome thanks mike.

A

All right david, are you still hanging out with us? Yes, you are. I like our, I feel like this has become like the monthly check-in for the async colonel. So, let's see where you've gotten to.

N

Yeah, so I've been working on a new feature this uh this weekend. Actually so- and I got pretty excited about it, so let me share my screen and this is reactivity in akml. Can you see my screen.

H

N

Okay, so just a bit of context, so this is ipad kernel, so we all know it. We can write some statements like this one. I attain the value to a and I display the value of a and it's uh it's expected. It's there's one in it and then I changed a to two and here it still says a equals one right, because uh it's surgical, it depends on the order in which the cells are executed.

N

So if I re-execute a now, it prints two, and so we are very used to this behavior, but this is not really good for reproducibility, because now it depends on the execution order of the of the notebook, and this is because I mean of the semantics of this assignment operator. It's basically in python, just uh setting a value to setting a key value pair in a dictionary.

N

The the assignment operator in python is not very interesting. It's not it's not like uh in c plus plus, for example, where you can overload the assignment operator and do uh something different to the variable that already holds this value in python. We don't have this possibility, and I see it's more like a possibility to to upgrade this uh this equal, this assignment operator and the best place to do it is in a kernel because kernels usually provide.

N

More features than raw python, so that's what I did in uh in a knl recently, so I launched uh this notebook with a kernel react. So that's a special mode of a kernel. It's not the default mode, because uh I mean it's still very experimental and I I'm kind of exploring possibilities with it uh still. So, let's try uh and see what we can do with that.

N

So this thing should uh fail right because b is not defined yet, but in a kernel it it's completely authorized. Basically, now this assignment operator means that a is b plus one, so a a is completely defined. The result of a is not defined. So if I show a now well, it shows known there's nothing in it because b is not defined. So, let's look at b same it's known now.

N

If I assign a value to b, then b is updated and a is also updated because a always is b plus one, so that's uh reactivity at least the beginning of it, and uh you can try it out uh yeah. That's all. I have to share.

A

This raises some intense philosophical questions, but this is very.

D

A

Any questions for uh for david.

H

Only questions of the intense philosophical variety right.

C

Yes, what's the value of c see, let's try.

N

C

Yeah, that's so there's something.

N

Special about the expression.

C

A equals b, plus one okay, yeah.

N

Yeah, it recognized that this thing didn't exist so actually b is not uh when we define b as one here, it's not an ink something more than a mint. uh It's like an int wrapped into another object. This thing is probably, I think, a bug. I should probably also check that c is not defined at all, and actually I don't know if it shouldn't be the right behavior, because it's not even assigned yet so.

N

C

In a philosophical.

N

Question exactly yeah yeah. It really depends on what we want. Also.

N

But yeah it's uh kind of a a path towards uh observable notebooks, because I mean it's a very typical feature of of observable notebooks that users seem to like. So, let's see if we can have something similar in jupiter.

I

Can this work for other languages other.

N

Than so for this to work, uh languages must have something similar to ast transformation, because I use that a lot, especially to.

N

Overload this assignor operator and also jit execution. These are the two features that languages must support.

A

Very cool did I just.

N

Miss the question.

A

If this is python, only.

N

Well, it yeah it's it's it's pattern, only! uh It's not titanium unless you have uh support for ast transformation or something similar and just execution cool.

A

Righty any more comments or questions.

A

If, if there aren't, can I show you my version of a reactive kernel and then we set up a meeting and figure out where we can meet him in the middle sure cool is anybody else mind all right is.

H

This pidgey time.

A

This is pidgey time. I see you know one day, one day I'll get to release this. um So philosophically the philosophical question here, so I've got a pidgey kernel actually before I demo pidgey. Let me demo jupiter lab markup because, like I'm absolutely in love with this jupiter is it jupiter lab markup for jupiter markup nick.

A

Jupiter lab markup, maybe yeah.

F

A

All right, so, let's get a mermaid diagram here uh and if you have this uh chart install if you have this extension installed, you can go over into your markdown cell, and not only can you put citations, but now you can put little diagrams and there's some other fun stuff you can put in here, but now you render it and you get these flowcharts.

A

The reason I made this digression is because um so what was your situation uh david? You had a equals b plus one here, and then we run that and we received, I get an error because I've got a normal kernel here.

A

um If I switch over to pidgey- and I run this again- then uh this actually renders, as it doesn't run as code. So if I tab in now it's code and it says, b doesn't exist.

A

So if I was to go and put a here um and b is these, are I basically I'm accepting markdown the source here? Oh boy, what a bad demo already okay! So I get an error that says b is undefined. So now, if I go in and put b in here- um and then I run this so it says, b's three b equals ten uh import pandas uh and then we can say something like b equals pandas.util.test.

A

uh And the update did not happen, but something's busted here. Nevertheless, the idea is: oh html min sorry, pip install html min. If you notice every time I have to tab these in just so it like runs as a code thing um and uh yeah. We have to use html min here uh just because um the thing gets wonky and then, if I put it transpose here and now, if I'm over here and I keep updating, b that'll keep changing, then I can say something like b dot plot dot figure. I think this will work.

A

Okay, so now that's there and then, when I go and run this that updates and changes. So what I'd love to talk to you about david is being able to um use this async kernel with async ginger templates and see if we can meet in the middle somewhere.

N

Yeah, that's that's interesting.

A

N

A

Go ahead, yeah.

N

It just seems to be a very different architecture, because I mean the syntax.

N

No, actually, I I I don't know, I don't have a very good.

A

Opinion right, so what I'm thinking is. Is that, like, or at least what I'm feeling is, if there's an output and it's a default output that just shows up? But if you have like these like interactive templates or ui, that somebody might have made, that's a really nice place where I could like totally see like immediately using some of the async stuff, but making the balance between the synchronous parts and the asynchronous parts, like that's a really hard discussion to have uh and I'd love to get that get that conversation going too.

N

Now, actually, the reactivity feature that I showed today has nothing to do with the asynchronicity. It's okay, pure pure callback. I mean pure.

A

Synchronous button.

N

A

Okay, okay, okay, very cool did not was not aware of that um nice, but yeah. Let's catch up about this. This is super cool stuff.

A

All right does anybody have any uh questions or comments. I suggest people try out jupiter lab markup, it's pretty fun, um there's um uh mermaid's a cool feature, um and uh you know if we had these would be fun to have during our rtc calls.

A

We could put diagrams and stuff in our notes and hackmd would be okay with it too um excellent. Well, um uh any we've got five minutes left uh any less minute comments or questions or uh things you all want to wind down the time with.

A

Nope all right. Well, I hope that all you jovians have an absolutely delightful week and we will see you again in a month so get your demos ready and your release is ready and uh let's uh keep bringing some uh fun demonstrations.

H

Yeah and if you'd like to get feedback ever on these calls, if we mess something up, you can do that with the link there, um and the next call will be on september 28th. I actually already have an agenda for that too, which this time will be updated in the jupiter community calendar, but um here it is in case you're, so excited and inspired by today. Those are just the last two things I want to add.

A

Yeah and if anybody else wants to host, I had a really fun time doing this and isabella was super supportive in doing it. So if you all are looking to become more involved in your open source, communities and running good events and stuff is a great place to try it out so contact isabella and uh let us know if you wanna wanna, help.

H

Yeah case you couldn't tell everyone here is pretty friendly at these meetings and you don't have to do it alone if you don't want to, but totally open thanks for your time.

A

See you all, thank you so much.

J

H

These are the lurkers very nice um tony. uh You can stop recording whenever I don't think I can over. Oh, I guess I can actually.