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From YouTube: Jupyter Community Call - April 27, 2021

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Recording from the Jupyter Community Call in April 2021.

The notes from this call can be found here:
https://jupyter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/community/community-call-notes/2021-april.html

Read more about these calls in Discourse:
https://discourse.jupyter.org/t/jupyter-community-calls/668

A

Look at me learning zoom welcome everyone. Thank you for taking the time to be here. This is our april. 2021 jupiter community call yay. I know it's very, very exciting business. We just they just keep going every month. It's amazing, I am isabella, I'm gonna be the host today, I'm actually a designer for anyone who doesn't know. So I will probably give you different feedback than you might hear from the rest of the community just be aware, and for anyone who hasn't been here before or who doesn't know, jupiter community calls are a place.

A

You know to gather across communities celebrate what people are doing just generally be excited. I compare it to like a show and tell a lot like. Let's just talk about these different things and uh tell us what you're thinking about so that's the purpose here there are two things: I'm gonna do my. No, I'm not gonna. Do my little screenshot, that's good to remind people just so you know. First community calls are recorded.

A

Everyone here heard me say that, but just so people know- and second I like to remind people that this is a jupiter event and a jupiter community gathering, and so we are held to the jupiter code of conduct, which can be found at any time at jupiter.org conduct. This includes me, by the way, if anything happens, just know that you can use that as you see fit um and if you haven't been here before also, I just want to say what we're gonna do.

A

I've linked the agenda in the chat a few times, so I will link it once more. Just in case there was anyone. While I was talking, I didn't notice, come in um what we're going to do is kind of go down this list. People have signed up ahead and said: hey. I want to share this thing, and so we're just going to let them share. Have some discussion feel free to hop in whenever or just be quiet and listen. All's good! So that's it for me. Any questions comments.

A

If anyone wants to introduce themselves because they're new, though you absolutely don't have to up to you I'll, give you a few seconds of quiet to think about this.

B

Can you guys hear me yeah, hello, hi? I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is claudia and I'm the pm for the jupiter project in visual studio code at microsoft um I came with one of my great developers joyce. We saw this and we were very, very interested to see what it was all about. What you guys would be doing. I just wanted to come, say hello.

A

Oh, my gosh, that's awesome! Thank you for taking the time to be here. Welcome, no thank you for setting it up. We're excited to see what you guys chat about always depends on the month.

A

Okay, I will be quiet for a few seconds again if anybody else has stuff.

A

Okay, I will leave that be then uh our first thing on the list, then, is that we're gonna go to those aforementioned short reports. I think like is the first one I have so whenever you're ready, if you know I didn't even see, are you here? Okay, good.

C

I'm good um yeah just as a reminder, I'm working as a software engineer at the european synchrotron and we are on developing visualization tools for hda5 files, which are the file that the format of the file of the data that is acquired at the european synchrotron right now and among the tools that we are developing is a web viewer called h5 web that I presented two months ago. I believe to the jupiter community call and the and the jupiter extension the shipyard extension, and I just wanted to give a quick announcement.

C

I'm going to share my screen, but it will be just going to give you a quick announcement that we have now released a new version of the extension. If I can find the right page, which is this one yeah.

C

We have now released a new version of the extension with a small binder demo that you can run and launch by yourself now. So I'm going to go here in the binder demo, so here I launched the binder demo from the from the badge. I've just done it in advance to avoid waiting for it, and basically we have now an example notebook where we can create an hdfi file.

C

And if you remember what I presented last time, I presented the fact that we can double click on an hdfi file to open this file and explore the groups and the data sets that are inside this hdfi file.

C

And with this new version of the extension we are now bringing this hd5 visualization and exploration to the notebook with the small h5 web widget here. So I can run this cell and then I have exactly the same thing inside the notebook that I can use to. Visualize data explore the file inspect the metadata and so on and so forth, and because we are working at the european synchrotron, we are interested in supporting nexus files which are a subset of hdf5.

C

It's just a j5 file with some convention, some on the metadata, so that, for example, you have a default plot. When selecting a group and things like that, and so in this example notebook. We also have a creation of a nexus file and visualization with h5 web as well.

C

So yeah, it works quite quite nicely. You're welcome to try the binder demo. uh If this is something that interested you and to install the extension as well, uh it should be. It is compatible jupiter lab 2. Hopefully it should be soon on jupiter lap. Three, I think it works, but uh it's not officially supported yet well. Yeah you're welcome to try and give us any feedback that you want on this. If this is the kind of thing that interested you yeah, that's it.

A

Yeah congrats congrats on the release and all that stuff happening. That's awesome thanks yeah and thanks for the follow-up too, so cool any other comments.

A

D

I always like to ask a question: if no one else does so, um you know like back end wise in terms of like filtering and presenting the data. What are you using to do that like accessing the file to visualize the data? How do you do that? What libraries do you use in the back end.

C

In the back end, we use, um if you remember, I talked about another extension which is developed which is developed by max, which is jupiter lab hdf5 and in jupiter lab hdf5.

C

You have a front end that displays the data and a backend part to access the data and the metadata, and in in our case, then we use the back end of max and I am doing some pr to extend it to implement the features that we need in the back end and we try to have, as I discussed a few times at other calls a lazy approach on this, because a j5 file can be quite huge if you put a lot of data and metadata inside, and so we try to fetch metadata when requested same for the data fetch only the slice that is displayed and try to cache the data so that it's a bit more fluid, but without without needing to fetch all the data at once.

C

So I open inside your question.

E

I also got a question so a couple of years ago I mean before the end of the world and kovi and everything I got in touch with fox from the htf5 group, and they were working on a web app like sort of along the same lines but outside of jupiter. Have you been in touch at all with these folks, for is that that's completely independent.

C

We we started as an independent project and basically they got in touch a few months ago with us, because they wanted to they're more involved with nasa for the hdf5 data treatment and they wanted to extend what we are doing in h5 web to geospatial data. Basically, and so they got a grant, I think- or they will get a grant to do some to do some development in h5 web. So we are indeed in contact with hf group.

E

Would you be interested in getting in touch with us? Also, we worked on a bit on table display widgets in jupiter, using the aluminum table, yeah they're in a data grid with ipad data grid and that kind of stuff and so yeah. I don't know if this is what you're using in there.

C

We are using a react project because I didn't talk about this, but all the application is a react. Application and.

F

C

A project that is called react, virtualize window or something like this for the for the matrix visualization that I didn't show. I only show you the line these and the heat map vis, but we also have a matrix visualization where you can. You have like a data grid and we are using so this project that yeah it's. As I said, it's a bit of a lazy approach. You want to display.

C

You want to load all these data that you are displaying and I don't know how we, how you think this can be implemented with uh jupiter, in the mean in the illumina data grid,.

E

Well, I think it's definitely possible, but it's it's really not the same approach, but yeah I'd be interested in getting in touch and we're not so far from each other either so might be. Yeah.

C

E

C

Yeah, I would be interested to to discuss with you. This is no problem.

E

Yeah awesome: um let's touch space after then.

E

Well more people are coming now.

A

Yeah I was seeing those numbers go up again and I was like wow so welcome to anyone who joined uh since I last said that welcome and thank you, I'm glad that that sparked some good discussion. I hope that continues uh and the one thing I wanted to say too just in terms of short reports. I know I've said it before, but I'm saying it again if anyone has interest in working like on running community calls like these it'd probably be good.

A

If someone besides me knows where things are basically, um and so that's always an open call, you don't have to do it alone, I'll help you out, I'm not planning on abandoning this at all, but I think it would be nice if someone else do, and maybe we can also get some different time zones met better because.

F

A

Of the reasons I haven't moved to certain time zones, I don't know if I'd be a good host at 1am for some prime european stuff. So, but I would attend if someone wanted so yeah open call always get in contact with me. However, you see fit. I can yeah I'll be on the agenda, so you can see github if that helps yeah yeah.

A

Anyone else have last minute short reports, announcements. Anything like that.

G

Yes, I can maybe I can show a demo of an nb10 which is a new yeah.

A

Yeah, no, I saw you on the agenda. We are getting there.

E

Okay, yeah, I took the liberty to add you in the uh after jeremy david, because you are going. You didn't, have the link to the agenda. Yet. Okay, thanks! Oh.

A

But yes, welcome. No, absolutely I'm excited to see that we, yes, I see you on the list so we're getting there, but any other quick announcements before we go into full demo. Land.

A

Exciting, okay, I will take the moderate silence as a confirmation to proceed and yeah we're going to the main agenda now, so these are going to be our kind of longer demos and discussions and we're still doing good on time. I think the first person I have on here is gonzalo actually are. Are you ready to present.

A

H

I need like two minutes.

A

Do you want someone else to go before you or.

H

uh If jeremy could go first, so that would be great if you can do that, and I can.

A

Go I'm fine, sorry to catch you off, guard yeah! That sounds good to me. I can't wait to see it jeremy. Are you ready.

I

Yeah yeah sure yep.

I

Okay. So let me.

I

See all right so yeah yeah, so yeah, I'm jeremy and I'm currently working on constant, a lot of jupiter stuff and one thing that we started to work on like a couple of weeks ago, and I thought it would deserve like a little bit of demo and a bit more of you know, show and tell is um a project called um jupiter light, and so the idea of this project is to kind of reboot the previous attempts at having like a full in-browser jupiter that were like uh started for support uh by nick with jive, and there was also another one uh with the p5 notebook uh to have something more focused on p5.js.

I

But uh here clearly the idea is to have something way: more generic and uh using the latest components and well something we can build uh on like in the future and the long term. So I think the best would be to uh to show you a demo. So so the what you can do is you can also try it uh on your own if you want.

I

But uh if you go to the the docs so again like, uh I have avoided in the in the notes, but uh many many thanks to nick for for helping on this, because this is like a really nice track here, uh like we already like reached like a really cool state and as you can see like, we have like a docks, and the best of this is that you can actually launch it from here, so it puts in uh in seconds and you get a jupiter lab in your browser.

I

So everything is in a browser, and here we have like a couple of files. uh But if you try it yourself, you probably have nothing. um So those are like notebook stores in local storage. So first, maybe I can show you this kind of thing. So you can change the themes and it supports uh reloading the page. So this is also saved uh in your browser, like in local storage.

I

So so you can keep your settings and yeah your notebooks, so you can create new ones if you want or even like new files, uh and they show up here and um yeah.

I

So maybe you can do like a quick demo of like the the kernels uh that have been uh implemented so far, so the first one is uh one based on javascript that runs in uh in an iframe and you you can, you know, write javascript, it's very basic doesn't do much except like like simple things, but you know it's all using lab components, so you can do also fancy things like this.

I

um We also have uh something a bit more advanced, so it's like uh javascript is the same as what we saw, but uh plus the p5 uh library that is preloaded, so you can do more uh visual stuff like for example, here this is taken from an example of the p5.js documentation.

I

So you can create a particular system. uh You can. You can clearly define like what you're doing here, because you know notebooks, like markdown mixed with code. It's really really handy and then at the end you can show your thing. So this is also yeah, something you can do at the moment and by the way, if you have any questions, feel free to interrupt and also nick. If you want to add some stuff, don't hesitate.

I

um So since it's everything based on uh on lab, you can also do this. If you want- and you know, move it around- okay, it's a bit lagging now, but yeah you got the id.

I

But another one: there is a python kernel using the project called biodied, so the fox had biodive, which was started by mozilla. Then pretty much compiled python to webassembly and we're using this here here. So you can run python in your web browser.

I

So here you get this the zen of python and in our case we add, like a very small display, module to be able to display some basic things like html, markdown, latex and also microlib.

I

So you get the static pngs you can update it. We run the cell. um Pandas data frame takes a little while to load because that's a bit heavy, um but normally we should be able to see the data frame yeah. The cool thing is that you can also display it one more time and even the network requests combined with json. I get a nice json explorer like this using the so it's pretty much all reusing the lab, mime renderers and the lab components.

I

So you get a lot of stuff for free, which is cool and the symbiote comes from biodiet, so it's also included by default takes really well to load, but they have a very handy function to to print things in the notebook. So it runs nicely like this yeah um yeah, and you see that we have this uh dot here. It means that you can actually access it from here.

I

So so we closed p5 notebook, but you can actually reopen it if you want you can navigate from from here- and you can also like do this kind of things that we should shut down everything yeah, but you also have access to drip delap classic.

I

So this is also coming by default, like if you access it from from the docks and uh yeah. So you can also run it from here if you prefer so again, everything in another browser.

I

I

So I had some notes here: um yeah I marked on, but it's better if we open them as marked on like this, so it's pretty much like a very lightweight jupiter front and running in the browser. It's not really light, because pirate is quite heavy at the moment, but still you don't need a server or anything like this and boots in seconds. So that's quite nice, uh yeah no server in the command line, no dependency management.

I

um So for now we deployed to read the docs actually. So this is like really next to the docs, but normally you should be able to also access it uh on virtself, uh which is another way to host select files on static websites and um yeah, so use cases like for education.

I

It's pretty useful if you can open a notebook very quickly. There are a lot of ideas and plans for your future, so, for example, yeah building your own.

I

Building your own distribution- if you want- and here nick did a really nice diagram, so I think at some point we might be able to reach this kind of thing so where you can actually create your own uh distribution of this and deploy it yourself um yeah, and then we can start reusing those components, so they haven't been published yet but soon, and then you can reduce them in other lab-based content.

I

For example, in voila there is an open uh pull request to start having um based application, the same thing for the the quest project and other lab-based applications yeah, so yeah not going to go yeah just to give you an idea. So here you have, since everything is running in the browser. uh What happens is that the fetch and the web sockets? So the fetch method and the websocket are kind of uh patched and uh that that way we can intercept like the traffic uh that goes from lab to the normal uh jupiter server.

I

But since there is no jupyter server, there is something that kind of implements it in a browser, and this whole server part is actually a aluminum application, which means that everything else is a plugin. So the contents manager sessions, camera and all of this, including the the kernels themselves, are actual uh jupiter plugins, so lumino plugins to be more precise. But that means that uh later, uh when we have that support for the pre-built or federated extensions, we can start having like a really nice way to just swap some components.

I

So if you don't want, like your notebooks to be stored in uh local storage, always you can maybe uh provide a different content manager. Or if you want another kernel, you can maybe just add it as a normal extension alongside the others and uh yeah up next.

I

uh If we update to the alpha packages for 3.1, we're probably going to get some nice improvement to the plugins, so we can use them a bit better and maybe even rtc, for free, and in that case, that would mean that people would just go to to a link and they will be able to edit notebooks together. So maybe that would be like one of the fastest way to try rtc, uh let's see um yeah and for the python based kernel.

I

um Hopefully we can get some support for ipad widgets, and that means again like using a lot of things that have been done already in ipad widgets world to get all of these libraries to work should be possible, but we haven't started to work on that. Yet there is an open issue, even the pr for federated extensions, and uh all of this, of course, to be able to reuse a lot of third-party extensions that already exist and um yeah and many like other ideas like, for example, this website.

I

uh It's called github one second, and it gives you like his code in one second pretty much and you can use it to explore um repos on github and it would be really cool if we could have something like this. But using uh like this kind of jupiter tools instead, because then you can maybe even uh run kernels directly by just going on github, hitting this url and then you're good to go yeah. So that's pretty much it. I think yeah and yeah.

I

If you want to start already you're looking into that or even help, there is a contributing section here, starting to have the api for all of these packages and, of course, more to come. Yep thanks.

J

Hey jeremy, um that was awesome. I don't have anything more to say beyond that, but I was curious if you could show this micro pip thing nick was talking to me about it. How do you like bring in some other packages and stuff like that.

I

Yeah, so let me see if I can do a do it live actually. So if, if you go to yeah, maybe if you open a new notebook, I think you should be able to do something like this import micro, pip and then you do micro pip.

I

I think it's called install go away, yeah, that's true yeah! So that's uh that's done and I was trying actually tried lights already and it seems to be working. So that would be like one of the things we need to do to have for ipad widgets, and you probably can then do something like this. So try it. Let's import unicode.

I

Yeah or you can even do or something like.

J

That's super cool. Thank.

I

You well yeah, you got the idea, I think you as long as it's pure, um a pure python wheel. It shouldn't be a problem um and for the rest, uh maybe the package is already you know shipped with iodide, and if it is not, then maybe there is a way to add it to the paradigm distribution or, like you know, to be able to install it yeah, but the pilot folks.

I

They have done like a really great job and they released a new version recently the 017- and this is the one that we're using just a couple of days ago. They also updated the dogs and all of this stuff. So yeah really like I mean it, wouldn't be possible without this, of course, so big thanks to them.

A

That's fantastic and you've also got a lot of really positive comments in the chat in case hoping you saw, those people are very excited.

A

Can I oh no go ahead.

E

There was a question by nick about uh widgets, and so indeed like you can't use, you know circuits or do things like this in the browser right. But one idea that we got was to build a webassembly package for zeus python. But instead of using this.

E

X, server provider, which uses zmq for communication, we would provide another specialization of a base class which would make api course to javascript so that as a by-product, you would get widget support and even potentially debugging, just like in other goose based channels.

F

Yeah, that's a great vision, um I mean you know. We just need a real build chain.

F

uh Pie dog currently builds everything in one tree, and so, if you bump a new python, it's a five hour build um so the getting that on a condo forge with uh wasm as a target, and you know you got the wolf on it and I know it's all good, uh but yeah.

E

You exactly know where we're going. I.

F

Know? What? Because I told you four months ago that that's what we need to do.

E

Anyhow but yeah yeah.

F

E

You see everything like three or four steps in advance, so how can we even you know whatever.

F

Whatever everyone's getting there, it's fine um the really exciting things I see on this. um You know this is. This is a thing that will finally bridge uh jupiter for a lot more use cases. um So, for example, the the I forgot, the name of it and uh the name and the the page is all in french, but basically they're already using pie died in.

E

F

um They're already using that in uh french primary uh education- and so you know the the closer we can get to a developer, writes something and it's gonna run on some hot rod rig. You know whatever in the cloud with whatever you know, that's cool if they don't have to do anything special, and it also runs on a statically hostable website running on some school administrators iis.

F

All they have to do is make sure that web assembly is served with the correct header which it isn't on iis. um You know, then they can have interactive computing. That's entirely powered by their bring your own device solution. They don't have to deploy kubernetes.

F

They don't even have to deploy a specific magic version of ubuntu for the littlest jupiter hub. They can have all these things. um The only thing we need to be able to do is bridge contents manager to uh the learning management systems.

F

um So if you know you get an assignment created in your whatever, uh whatever they're using I'm sure it's open source, because france is good about that. um You know you pop into it and there it is, and it's loaded and all those cdn assets are all hosted from your server, so you're, not breaking gdpr, and all that um this also works really good for journalists right right now.

F

It is a productionizing step to turn a notebook based story uh into something that you can actually host um and that drives people to super expensive things that journalists can't afford like tableau- and you know other proprietary solutions, uh we got to get on that. You know and give the readers of important data-driven stories, not just the data and not just the visualization, but the ability to challenge the assertions by the fourth estate about what the data says.

F

um So these things are, I mean everybody hates the internet and I hate javascript and everything like that right. But this is really enabling technology uh at a whole other scale. The next billion.

E

The integration with lms there is already something in this project called capital with a y and an e in the end, because in french capital has an e and um they they do exactly what you were describing with respect to nms integration of pio dida, so we're gonna work with them on. You know, switching to jupiter light soon, hopefully and uh yeah. So that's the plan and canada forge is definitely like.

E

The plan for wasn't building.

E

He's like lurking in the corner, so he can tell more about.

A

That awesome, uh I don't want to cut off all discussion, but I do want to get to some of the other people on our list. I'm glad that that was that was so exciting, though, and I'm glad that everybody, I am really interested to see what happens with that. So thank you. So much for sharing.

A

uh Is that good any? This is your last last words about this one.

A

Okay, uh gonzalo: are you ready now.

A

H

A

No wonderful awesome. Thank you.

H

Cool so yeah. Let me just share my screen.

H

Can you all see my screen? Yes, sir? Okay, so I will be using hackmd as my slide deck today. So so I just wanted to give uh a little a little intro if you're not familiar with the workflow for internationalization and what has been happening for the past few months. So I'm gonzalo, I work at one site and I work for the jupiter ecosystem and other stuff.

H

So today, uh so a couple of yeah like a month ago or something I received an email saying what you see on the screen here like there is a delay in the creation of language packs, with jupiter labs as a base for our products and we're interested in using this for chinese and japanese.

H

And how can we help and we're interested in contributing? So at that moment I was at that moment. I was just swamped with work, so I ignored it.

H

But last week I think another person from the company that this person wrote from was in the meeting and it was like a good time to undust all the all the work that went into this, and I wanted to share a little bit so that if other people are interested in helping like it would be, it would be awesome. So after getting that feedback. So basically, what's the current state of of language packs.

H

So this work was finished like seven months ago, and at that moment there was an initial batch of strings that needed translation and we were using we're using crowding as the service to crowdsource all the translation works, and this is the current state for the latest version of jupiter lab. That is 3.0.14. I believe so. I updated the strings last week and now we have also spanish and chinese for 100 completion and those are the rest of the 10 languages. First, the top 10 languages that are almost ready also to be released.

H

So I am committing myself to do this actual release of these packs tonight.

H

uh Fingers crossed uh so that people can actually start using them. If they're interested and also help us find any issues with the with the workflow or with the translations uh on the other side, so this was the first attempt to try to get this uh this workflow on the public. So first this is the community called. So I will give a very, very brief overview of how can you localize internationalize your extension so that it can be then localized by your.

A

H

A

You should could you give a little context for the work before you do that in case people don't know about the project you've been working on yeah. Thank you.

H

What project yeah? What do you mean.

A

No, I mean like I I don't know like I don't know if you said overall, like we're trying to translate jupiter lab, and I just.

H

Want to make sure people.

A

Know that since we have some.

H

A

Okay, yeah sorry.

H

That one full steam ahead so yeah.

A

H

Thanks isabella, so we're trying to translate jupiter lab and that work started seven months ago prior to the release of the three-point series.

H

It was a lot of work uh carried mostly by by jurors truly with the help of others, of course, but uh in that process well, it was a huge amount of work trying to get the whole code base to move, but now we want to go further and we want extension developers to join the the right and also localize their extensions, so that any extension that you sell is also localized and you don't get this mixed match of english and whatever you are using your your interface.

H

So uh I will post a link to a talk I gave on jupiter conf last year that explains the process in depth. So if you want to learn more how it was and how it works, uh you are more than welcome to see it. I will post it on the hackendy in a minute after this that trap is done.

H

So uh having said that, so now we're in the in the in a state where most of the jupiter lab core for the current available release is translated and we started adding uh extensions to the mix. So these language packs will contain translations for core and extensions that are being added periodically to the to the language specs. So so the idea is to have a centralized point where people just install their thing when the plugin management from within the interface of jupiter lab is, is finally released and tuned.

H

Then you will be able to install this right away from the from the interface and uh just refresh and get your things or if you are, if you want to use the terminal and jupyter lab, you could also do that. Like ppinstall language pack, blah blah all more uh on the resources I will leave below so that you can install things and start testing it right away.

H

So to go back uh so spanish and chinese will be released tonight. That's a commitment and please, if you want to know more information on how the whole process is working, you are welcome to attend the jail after that meeting taking place tomorrow, uh also more information on the resources and links all that.

H

So basically, how can you translate your extension if you're an extension author and you want to provide the you want to internationalize it so that other people can localize the content, so the best way to do that is to look at an example.

H

So that's something I'm linking this is some work that jessica barr did for the jupiter lab git extension. So of course there should be documentation on how to do this, but I find that the documentation is still not there, but looking at this example will make your life as easy as possible. I think so. Just just go to this pr uh look at what was done and how things are made to localize strings.

H

It can be summarized in basically you either import the you import, a translation bible from the jupiter lab, translate package, and then you propagate that anywhere in your code base, either through props or in the constructor of classes or as parameters in the functions. And then you use the the trans method with the available methods that you can use to translate. So more information of this, you can find on the video on what this means, but basically this is one-to-one translation. So this is the basic idea: get your translation bundle and use it.

H

So just go over this pr. Take a look, how it goes uh and then, when you are done with your pr and its merged, then you can go to the language packs repository and you can open the repository map and you can basically add the work that you did so in this case you just add the package.

H

The current version tag. If, if there is one already published with the content, if you are already working only on master, so you can put master that so that we can fetch the content from master and that way we can update all the strings in crowding while a release is available and how it's done is. Basically, when you update that repository map, you will see that catalog with all the strings will get extracted and you will be able to start translating. Well, you or people around the world that are helping with the translations.

H

Can I start translating all the strings for the jupiter labview project as more strings are available? Well, you will have more.

H

What's the word, you will oh come on. What do you mean so as more strings are translated translated, but they will be available within the interface in the memory bank, so it will as more people collaborate. You will have more opt suggestions on. What's a good translation for something you will see the interface here.

H

You get some ideas. You get to do some comments because we make mistakes and you might say, like this string, doesn't make any sense in english so or there's a missing space or extra space or something is not really working, and with that information will our reviewers or the people working with all this uh project can like fix things or help us stream these fixes where they are required.

H

So that's like a very succinct, I hope and hopefully clear explanation of what you can do to start uh to get your extension going for translations and you can follow these resources here. They are more or less in the order of the things that you need to do and uh sure I'm happy to take questions and runs from why it took so long.

A

Yay, I'm so happy to see this happening because I know we were looking for it for accessibility reasons too. So I'm excited.

H

So all the french people in this call- because there are many what's what's going on man, you're, you're, you're, lagging behind, come.

K

E

um Yeah, I feel bad. I really.

K

E

um So first, this is great. I just have one technical question about your your presentation, um so this uh centralized repository for the language pack uh like there seems to be a good reason for it to be centralized because you can reuse strength, translation should like does it have to be or.

H

It doesn't have to be, but it's the main use case, that we want the first to support, because it makes life easy for everyone.

L

H

As an extension developer, you need to just update your code and come to this place, and then everything should be ready, but you should be able to provide either translations per package for a specific language, or you could basically mirror this workflow for internal use. If you wanted to provide something similar for, uh let's say, closed source extensions or dedicated work that you still don't want to publish, so it doesn't have to be like this, is it just makes it so much easier for the team to maintain it?

H

If we do it like this, so that was the main reason.

E

Yeah, I totally see that I was just asking whether you know I could imagine people wanting to have a translation, but not putting this into a centralized place. Yeah so yeah.

H

So we support both. uh We support both.

H

So you right now can install language back and it will work or you could provide a single local, let's say, translation for a specific package in a specific language and in theory you could install that and depending on which version is more up to date, we will use that versus the one on the centralized.

H

uh I I'm putting quotes here because, because uh we're focusing on this use case right now, the other use case might be a little broken right now, just so, but if you want to learn more about that, just ping me and I'll prove. No. I don't think.

E

I have the use case. I was just asking whether there was like an intrinsic reason for it to be contracted it's so that your answer is oh yeah, yeah.

H

It's because it makes life easy.

K

H

That's the reason and we're lazy we're coders, so we like easy things or things that make our life easy, uh so yeah. So if you can join tomorrow, um we're going to look at the other side of how does this whole thing work and ideas of how to make it even easier for us. So like every time there is a new release for a package that is already tracked on the repository. We can have a bot that will create a pr that updates things for us and make it even easier.

H

That's my plan at some point, but I need help so anyone willing to help and work with github actions and bots and stuff welcome to join or ping me or all that.

L

um I don't have a question, but thank you for championing this. This is a big deal and it um it just exposes these tools to such a wider user base. So this is awesome.

H

Yeah, thanks also waiting for that farsi translation, but yeah.

L

No pressure, it's not gonna, be.

L

A

Wonderful, um I do want to check too, since I know we only have a few minutes left david. I don't know how long or short your share is. I'm happy to have you go now, but I don't know if you are feeling um pressed for time if.

G

You can be very shocked, yeah I didn't prepare, but I can make a very small demo if you want.

A

Sure, um and just so, anyone knows to uh if you have to go in the middle, because you have other calls: that's okay, so, but hopefully we'll make it so yeah. Take it away david. Thank you.

G

Yeah, so I'm david and I work at pondstack and I recently developed a small tool called nbterm, which is a a notebook client for the term for the terminal. So we published a blog post yesterday here and uh the github repository is here.

G

uh Somebody term is very simple: you can launch it like that and it creates a brand new notebook and you can enter some code.

G

And execute it and you can copy cells.

G

And it works as you would uh expect to work in a regular notebook client. So it's a very new project, it's very small, very lightweight, and there are still many things to implement, but people are seem to be very interested in it. So I will try to to work on it more and let me show maybe a more interesting notebook, so this one, for example, shows queueing some cell executions, so that works too. First one executed.

G

Second, one is being executed right now. We have also a markdown cell here and yeah, so it's using reach for the rendering, rendering and prompt toolkit for the layout and a brand new jupiter stack, very lightweight jupiter jupiter stack that I'm working on as well. That's it for me.

H

That's pretty cool. What's my.

J

H

Question would be like what's what's on the pipeline, what's next for this, this is awesome.

G

Everything I mean a lot of things. Actually, uh if you, if you look at, for example, when you go in edit mode, tab doesn't work, autocompletion doesn't work. uh Almost everything has to be implemented.

G

This is basically just a work of proof of concept uh that a kernel can be run uh with uh yeah, something that basically already works, but I I received already a lot of feature requests, so I will work on that.

G

That's pretty cool thanks.

A

If it's not too um wrong with a question where I'm going to keep you, what was your inspiration for this? It's so interesting.

G

uh Just finding out that it doesn't exist, we have ipython, but it's a console and we don't have a notebook in the terminal and uh because I'm a contributor of other packages in the jupiter ecosystem I have basically I can do it. So I did it.

A

That's awesome. I.

G

Mean I started it started as a toy project and I, as I was working on it, I realized that it was not that complicated, so yeah.

A

Well, that's that's great! That's always a nice surprise when you're like wow, that was that went easier than I expected.

D

This might be a dumb question, but does it work with ssh.

G

So I didn't try all that. I know yeah, that it's going to be a big use case right now. For example, you could work on a remote channel by just passing the the connection file because it has the tcp sockets in it. So you could work remotely. I've not tried, but it should work out of the box already, but we we need yeah to find.

G

Ssh is uh probably yeah something different. So I need to to look into that.

E

Like in the good old days when we were piping khan reports for ipad, I mean I think we should still be able to do this. It's exactly the same as the local camera, but.

F

Does it support uh inspect? How are you.

G

That's it not yet yeah.

F

Okay, so my great wish and dream and desire for this is that it speaks jupiter lab workspace, json, uh and it has some of those concepts that you could enable and you would be able to abuse those kinds.

B

F

um So you know just getting to the notebook is really good, but even on the jupiter lab itself, we've got a use case for having a server managed uh client that manages you know this state interact has one that's written in node.js doesn't integrate very well with the rest of the stack. uh It needs a whole lot of tooling um if something like this could represent the state of a workspace with potentially multiple notebooks with file editors uh with sidebars that implement traditional jupiter features.

F

You know that that would yeah exactly luminon the terminal you're damn right, which is qt in the browser right, um but it doesn't even have to be that it's it's more, the json specs right, it's not it's! It's commands which we can get onto a json, spec and workspace, which we can get on json spec, um that that would benefit a lot of people rather than they're being like. Oh, you just use tmox and forget about it. You know, like that's, not a thing that we can offer to everybody.

G

You know yeah yeah, that sounds very good yeah. I need to educate myself with all that, but yeah. That's uh there's a lot of potential directions for improvements. Also, it doesn't use a server, that's a big difference, but because it connects directly to the kernel through sockets but yeah. There are some differences like that.

F

But it's on the async io loop or no. Yes, it's it's pure racing. Okay, then it can well there's pure and there's pure, but that means that it it could be landed inside of a server. You know, keep yours keep your stuff clean, but it could land inside of a server so that you could yeah yeah, so so darian etc. This this would just this just is that headless client that we were talking about right and the terminal already understands how to do windowing really good.

F

You know, um and of course the you know, typography and accessibility of terminal applications is generally better than web stuff. So we're you know, we'd be forward a lot if we could roll this. You know out.

E

E

What accessibility, why is it better if you start tightening windows in the bra in in the terminal.

J

For accessibility, because emacs has had that and vim has had that for a really long time. That's just it's a lot easier to use the terminal um in these applications.

A

Yeah, I don't know if you're looking for ex more explanation there, but I think yeah, it's true. It's been a priority longer and handling like I think, kind of the linear nature of it.

A

That was fantastic. Any last comments I know we're slightly over, so thank you for lingering anyone who can.

C

I think it's always a great opportunity to see what uh what other people are doing. I think the the nice uh so nice thing with jupiter light and the terminal thing, and I'm always grateful to to come here and to present and to see what other presents. So thank you again.

A

No, this is wonderful lots of surprise shares that made me happy to see.

A

And if there is nothing else I can wrap up, but I will give you a few more seconds of silence to consider that.

A

Okay, also, yes, thank you, zach. I'm surprised to have you here, but good surprise for sure. um I'm happy to be running these quick wrap up once again, I'm really happy to have everyone. I have everyone here, thanks for taking the time to do this and show interest in the community and show off everyone's really cool work. uh I linked already in the chat just so you have it if you want to give feedback for any reason, the google form is there. I actually have used it to read like people are like.

A

Oh, we should talk about this and try and give people prompt. So I do read those and the next community call in a month may 25th tuesday right now. At the same time, I also linked the agenda for that, so you can sign up whenever and that also has all the like time zone changes in that document. So hopefully that's helpful, and hopefully this is a slightly better time for europe. That's why I moved it up so yay.

A

uh That's that's good to me. Any final comments.

C

In fact, where is the community code announced? Because I think I missed the one from last month.

A

Right, um the there's a few places, it's announced, one of the ones. That's probably the easiest to follow is there is a discourse post, a jupiter discourse that has a wiki on top. So I update um I update that every month. That's why I'm looking for it, because then you'll always have like the up-to-date time and agenda.

A

I also, though, do have it on. I think twitter, and what else here there is that link for you, and I can't remember what else I post. I know I post on like the jupiter hub team compass because they do meeting stuff there and yeah, but this course is probably the easiest place to follow, because you don't have to keep looking for new posts. It's always the same one at the top, so yeah.

C

A

I

I also just dropped a link to the community calendar, so you can add it right to your google calendar. If you haven't.

A

Steve's right, that's probably the easier answer so awesome.

J

So what what uh this is this event's great and the last two events? We ran up against time? uh What does it take to get another event on the calendar? I'm not asking you to run it isabella, uh but this is anybody from the steering. Jupiter heads of state know what we can. We need to do and.

A

If you want me to stop recording, let me know, I don't know what it is going right now.

H

Yeah, probably we should stop now.

A

Okay. Well then, final, thank you uh for all the discussions.

F

A

But I'm wrapping it up so that the recording ends cleanly. Thank you. I appreciate it now. I have to figure out how to stop recording but yes, thank you so much.