Kankakee County Board, IL Community Services Committee Meetings, 21 Sep 2021

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Community Services Committee Meeting 9/21/2021 9:00 AM

A

I appreciate all of you being here today. This is really good to have most of the committee here and our reports are available for us. So we'll start call the meeting of the community services committee together and we'll have a roll call. First, please.

B

Miss weber president, miss parker president, miss polk roslyn, mr snipes, miss peters president, mr thulin, mr carrico, mr crookstraw.

B

Miss rakoff, miss bryan president miss hudson president, mr smith, president, mr alexander hildebrand, mr bieler, mr c ray. Do you have a quorum.

A

Thank you. I don't have any requests for public comment, so we'll go to the next there's, no, no requests for a presentation either. So the minutes have been sent to you from august 17th. I hope you've been able to have them and read them so which of you would move that we accept them, tinker, parker moves and, and um miss peters will second it. Thank you pat we'll. Take you next, all in favor, accepting the men and say aye aye opposed motion carry go next to the county.

A

Clerk's report, um mr mr hendrickson, is so busy with so many things going on that his report will be next month.

C

A

But he does have something on our.

C

Five dogs, one of them.

A

Oh, my goodness, is that the truth.

C

uh Ashley in the house right now we have five dogs.

A

Carrie is happy for that. Put.

C

Them all together as one big dog.

A

I was telling him as I came in today. There was two people, a couple came in and they were holding hands and I thought oh they're paying their taxes. Isn't that wonderful, no, they were going to get a marriage license.

A

That's nice! What's your report today, um the.

C

Only thing I have on the agenda is that uh I have a thank you, the printer that we bought when we originally purchased the voting system in 2004. We used that to print off additional balance. I need to have that declared surplus and so that we can dispose of it. I had uh offered it up to the department heads last week and kevin reminded me rightfully so that uh that that printer is 17 years old and try to find drivers for it, so um it wouldn't be able to be on any of the county computers.

C

uh So it has no value to any of us here, but I need to have that removed.

A

So, there's a need for a motion in a second miss poke. Will you make that motion? I may come out yes to put a surplus and thank you to put it in surplus, okay and miss hudson, we'll second, it all in favor of putting in surplus say any folks. No motion carried okay.

C

That's all I had if anybody has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.

A

What's your what's your goal for us that what's the day that you're going to tell us, come on down and look at the new voting machine, which one is that most helpful to you.

C

Good question: um realistically, probably uh you know why don't you all plan after next community services meeting come on down, stop by and and and we'll we'll give you a show.

A

I, like the show.

C

Michelle, I will not break out into song or dance, and you should all thank me for that. Okay, so at the plan on the october meeting, yeah we'll make it come on down sweet and come on down. I like that a lot. Thank you. You're very welcome. There's just some other requests you have of mr henderson serving donuts. Would that be appropriate? That would be great yeah. That's not gonna happen.

C

Okay, okay, thank you have a great day mr blair will be coming up. Well, he is I'm going to hold up the daily journal. Did you all see these packed, and I don't know what the value of this is? Maybe he can tell us, but that's it the assessment report, while he's coming up also, would someone move there that we accept the monthly report from the assessor's office?

C

Misspoke will do that too, so mr crookster will second it all in favor, say hi and you pose say no motion carries. Thank you. Okay, you have on your screen in the report from the assessor's office.

C

Hello good morning, good morning, can you hear me? Can you hear him all right? Everyone?

C

I just have a few things to go over with you. Since we last met, I did complete the equalization process, which allowed us to move into the publication notification of assessment changes that went through successfully and we did publish in the newspaper as you held up, ms weber, um that journal publication occurred on september 9th september 9th, and uh that started our 30-day window to accept appeals and the last day to accept appeals is october 12th.

C

So you know three weeks from today is the last day for us to accept appeals on us on assessment complaints.

C

I'm also waiting for the department of revenue to certify the tentative abstract.

C

To me and- and I I was able to mail that out last week once I got the certifications from the newspapers that they did publish are assessments, so that's been done and at this point uh once we get through the 30-day window as I've described, and we you know, wrap that up, then we'll get into board of review hearings for those that have filed appeals and want to state their case in person in front of the board of reviews.

C

So that kind of gives you a look at not only what happened in the last few weeks, but what's coming up in the next couple of months as we as we wrap up the assessment process for 2021, so I'll open the floor to any questions. If there are any, are there some? I know that I I've seen I I saw the the report in the herscher pilot and, of course, in the journal.

C

Is there another publication that you used sure uh the moments progress reporter did uh publish the junior and moments assessments, and we also did use the city news for kankakee and for pembroke as another way to reach those residents as well. So those were the four publications that were used this year, okay, and once we get our little letter in the mail that says our property value went up.

C

The best person to call would be my assessor before I ask for a hearing statutorially on that notice. It says that that we're supposed to put on their you know contact information for the township assessor. So it is a good idea to reach out to your assessor, if you're um concerned about your your value, they are the ones that set the value to the property, so they can most easily explain how that value was developed.

C

um But I would encourage folks don't wait until you talk to your assessor to file your appeal. If, um because, if they, if they don't, if they happen to not get back to you, I don't want you to miss the deadline of the 12th to file the appeal.

C

Failure to talk to your assessor is not a reason to extend the deadline, so it is the it is the first step, though, it's a good step to reach out to your township assessor and get clarification on how they developed your value. If, at all possible, yes, we were able to determine that many values many properties did increase in value. Is that a general statement for the county? A general statement for the county when I went through equalization, is that we did um that there was an increase to value for the year.

C

um I I don't remember off the top of my head. It was probably you know, four and a half percent, or so in general, um based on 18, 19 and 20 sales and and their ratios compared to being at 33 and a third, what percentage increase needed to happen in order to get to 33 and a third for the county, and it was somewhere between four and a little above four and a half.

C

I think it was so um you know that gives you an idea, county-wide of of the growth of assessments uh throughout the county, good. It isn't. It isn't bad news that a property increases in value. No, certainly, you know homeowners like to see the idea that their property has appreciated in value um and then it'll just be a matter of. You know what what does that tax rate look like in the spring in order to generate your tax bill, so it doesn't necessarily mean your tax bill went up the same percentage that the notice says.

C

If the notice says your your assessment went up four percent, that doesn't mean your taxes are necessarily going up that same percentage. It has to do with tax rates, and tax rates have to do with the levies of each taxing body as well.

C

So there's a lot of things that are at play when we get into talking about the tax bill itself this time of year, when we accept appeals, we're accepting appeals based on the idea that you disagree with the the value of the property itself and we kind of limit it to that scope, because that's all we know about at this point, we don't know what the tax rate is.

C

We don't know what your tax bill is going to be, but if you feel like your property is overvalued, you have an opportunity to appeal that portion of your tax bill and that's what this process is for explanations. Excellent, thank you, for that. Is there another question?

C

Okay, thank you for that and your work is only starting, isn't it that that is true. It looks like maybe I have one in the back there. Mr snipes, what's your question just you excuse me just to reiterate the uh everyone doesn't get that tax bill unless there's an increase in it. How's that process uh work. Are you talking about the notice itself, correct, yeah, the the notices are sent to um each year.

C

Part of the county has what's called a general assessment year or a quad year this year it was and you're going to test my knowledge right here in front of the group, uh and it's there's several townships. So let me go through it: mantino rockville, limestone, celina, essex, aroma, auto pilot and norton everyone in that every property owner in in those townships, gotta notice, whether their value changed or not at the hands of the assessor.

C

Okay, any other township. um You would have only gotten a notice if your assessor made a change to the value. Essentially, that's how that works and that's what gets published in each publication so like, for example, I just listed off all of the asset, all of the jurisdictions that got notices, whether their value changed or not. Next year, it's going to be kinky, township itself that everybody gets a notice.

C

So not everybody in kinky key got a notice this year, but they'll get one next year and only the ones that got changed this year in kankakee got a notice. Okay. I think that makes sense. Yes, okay, very good, and it should help a lot of people. If I didn't get one of these, you know sure you didn't necessarily supposed to, but in but in pilot I would have gotten one of these, whether whether I had increasing that that is correct. Okay, did you have a question? Heather? Are you just gasping you're gasping?

C

No, I'm saying anyone didn't get a notice else. So this is a an item of postal expense. Isn't it it is that's a publication expense, and then we also have the postage of all of the notices that went out to go to correspond with that publication. Yes and then do you have send out notices of when their hearings are, if they ask for help uh that that is true.

C

When, when when an appeal is filed, um we give them a 30-day notice of when their hearing is going to be, and if they you know, wish to carry it forward, then they would show up to that hearing and they get that by mail. You're right, you're, right about that, and those hearings are very efficient. You go blank on a schedule for here sure they're they're set up. You know once sometimes twice a week, and it is you know it's a 15-minute time slot or so um some of them.

C

The assessor may have already agreed um that you know. Maybe they were a little high and uh and so a settlement might have been reached. Others need to be discussed a little bit more, and so it just depends on the case.

C

Okay, very complete report. Thank you for that, mr wheeler. Thank you um eric at one point. I asked this and I can't remember the number um about how many taxable parcels are there in the county or if it's a better way to ask it taxpayers on those parcels. uh Well, taxable parcels, uh there's about 53 450 taxable parcels.

C

Yeah yeah, I mean I'm within a few there. I don't have the abstract right as far as actual taxpayers. You know, obviously some people own multiple properties and I'm not. I don't have that number uh off the top of my head.

C

Probably what the number you gave is what would be most helpful, though how many well yeah yeah- and the reason I ask is- is there's um there's a couple of folks saying we're wasting all the taxpayers money on this coveted money stuff and the calculation I come up with is every taxpayer if everybody in the county paid taxes, it's point: zero, zero, five cents, zero, zero, five cents per taxpayer for all of the coveted money for all the counties in the united states.

C

um So this helps me get to a better number: it's a .01 cents per property tax payer. If you will in the county sure, is what we're spending about 530 dollars that we got 21.3 million for. So I just want to clarify that, because there's these comments out there with the goofballs on facebook that were wasting all the taxpayers money, the local taxpayers put in 530 into that kitty. For the 65.1 billion nationally wow, so I just thought I would mention that wow.

C

Thank you. You're 1.01, you said per taxpayer for all the counties in the united states.

C

That's a deal yeah I'd say so I think that was our most important question today. So far it helped me get to a better number. Is it 0.005 or is it 0.01, even though our local taxes don't go to the feds?

C

You know we're talking gas tax and income tax and those types of things, but still it's a it's a better representation of the number yeah. Thank you yeah. Well, then, thank you for your your quick answer. Did you work this out beforehand? No, actually, no.

C

Anything else we've had good information. Thank you. Thank you very much. You folks have a great day. Okay! Thank you. Thank you. Please, look in your in your screen is for a report from the county recorder need a motion to accept that report.

C

You do that. Let me excuse me outside that brian yeah, let's go say, miss heather and I keep going by that. Okay, this is brian's. First, it uh matt. You want to. Second it. Okay, all in favor, accepting a recorder's report, say hi, any opposed, say no. She carried okay lori. What do you have for us today?

C

Nothing um first of all good morning to everyone and um just wanted to once again share the good news of the volume of recordings that are going on in the county, as you can see by the numbers, things are not slowing down. Yes, can you hear me? Okay, we can we're okay, we're just getting aw 183, 000., yeah um and in perspective for september, we're already at 983 documents for the month and um it's not slowing down, so things are good.

C

So if anybody were to mention that sales of homes are receding, you would you would have to dispute it a little bit or properties yeah, not yet yeah yeah for sure, not in kankakee, so yeah anything you want to report on your books or your copying or anything like that. You're doing! uh No, not really um you know the the book project right now is um on a break.

C

I'm working on my 22 budget to see what we can do about getting some more done so actually met with the company that does the books yesterday, I'm here in springfield, um so we talked about what that looks like going forward and really about it for right now, you notice a sign on your door of asking that only four people come in to review at a time.

C

I imagine that's working out well, probably for it is, it is, and we actually, with the help of west, we were able to put a small desk out in the hallway. So anyone who comes in to just need to fill out a quick, clean heat or something we're asking them to use that. So that seems to help break up the people. Sure, okay, anything else, any other questions, my glasses, keep steaming up. So I'll have to look at you this way. Anything else laura. You have anything else for us today, no, not really.

C

um Actually, yesterday we did have a meeting with the department of housing authorities, so we're working forward on this rhsp legislation, and so hopefully we're starting to get some movement with cooperation. See. Does everybody know what does it you want to do a little? What does that talk about? That's the rhsp fund that we collect on every real estate related document, so the monies have not been spent very fairly throughout the state. Oh that's right!

C

So we're working on that plus they've asked for it to double the fee, which would raise it to 18 per recording so and that's we're just asking for some more cooperation right. That was the increase that 50 was going to cook county or something like that. Wasn't it pretty much? Yes, so, okay! Thank you. I hope you have a good meetings and good success. Then. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else! Okay, thank you. Let's go to the animal control, then it's laird in your a screen. You have a report.

C

If there is we'll accept the report in a second and then you have a question on it as she comes forward. So who would like to move that we accept that report? Miss peters will move. Mr kirkster. Will you second? It are they all in favor, say aye, aye, aye opposed, say, nay, question, scary, okay, carrie? What would you like to highlight, um as you can see, the iptip building fund that was from the sale of the property on 45.52? That? Can you hear? Okay, everybody wanted move your microphone just a little bit.

C

Okay, so you see the iptip um building fund, that is from the sale of the property of 45.52. A lot of that money came back all that came back and went back into iptip. So now the total is 416 000, that's an iptip, so that's to purchase, hopefully a new building or land in the future. So was that 88 000 added to it is that what it was um it was. It was the sale it was around 151 thousand dollars.

C

We went back 252 000 what we got back, plus the interest, okay and that's what that's what's in to the 416 correct, 100 000 is what came in last month because of the sale, okay, um so the bytes. Obviously they have increased um along with that number. Without a county number, we have helped iroquois county. They no longer have an animal control this time, um their administrative veterinarian left, and so they have been without a veterinarian or a building.

C

So we have been helping them out minimally with rabies, samples and specimens just because that's something has to be done by the state. It's a requirement for iroquois and any other animal control. So we have been helping them out minimally, we're not doing welfare checks, we're not doing anything like that, just ruby samples for um them, so we've been trying to do that for them.

C

um I don't know you guys heard communities or criminal justice, the sheriff to talk about buying vans for corrections and one van for animal control, so we have purchased that um that will be coming here shortly.

C

A local um company is going to take the existing cages out of the van. We have and put them try and put them into the new van. So it'll save us some money, hopefully, um and that's about it- for for anything really new or to highlight just to compare the last year and this year that it's just about the same number of animals 107 to 104. But that's a very many animals in a month's time.

C

Isn't it right and you can see the number of cats that we had was obviously increased, um almost double that so you're talking about the 25 to five, the 33 cats and the 18 cats. From last year the 33 cats went to or the ones that went to adoption.

C

So we did a local partner out of state. They came down and took a lot of our cats and we were transferring them up there. The same with dogs that 16 out of 17 were drinking so yeah and one was adopted so the inventory now it looks like do. You still have 25 cats. So, um as of the end of the month, I think we had 12 and 12. we're back up to. We, we transferred some to a shelter, get speed neutered, they end up taking some from us, which is what we had hoped.

C

They would do um brought half of them back, and then we have we're just transferring hoping to transfer those out soon, so we probably do have 15 to 20 cats.

C

Okay, looking on on the second page, so one more identifies the statistical data there there again a total intake of 45 animals and then at this position, ending inventory 12 is what you were just talking about there right now for the month, you want to just highlight the euthanasia again, five out of seven were owners bringing their animals saying. Please help crowd. Yes, yes, these are there, so we do a service for them. It's a lot cheaper and for than the veterinarians do. However, we don't give the ashes back. We don't do the paw prints.

C

They can select those things that they want to do if they want to have a company come and take them and they can offer. We offer those things, we don't do those things at our building, we're not equipped for that. It depends what the owner wants and how they're going to choose that anything else.

C

One thing I saw on the county site, which is a very helpful site in many ways. If we go to animal control, you can find a a list of all the veterinarians in the county and their addresses and phone numbers. A list of the the county where you where it's non for profit had been listed there. All of your staff's names are there. The bark names are there and it's just a helpful site.

C

If anybody's trying to find anything about an animal help in this colony and on our website, we do list the animals that we have, that are strays they're there for their until their stray hold is up. We also put on facebook until their hold is up, which is um very been. You know pretty successful. On that end, we have been able to put those on facebook to see you know. If anybody claims these animals, I mean not often do they, but sometimes they they will. So it's been helpful that way: yeah our nose.

C

Oh that's a dog, I know and can help right. That's what we hope to get. Okay, anything else, good report and you're you're feeling comfortable about a new van. I would think for one yeah: it's been 10 or 11 years since they've had it. You know the new van, so it's got 115 000 miles on and we put you know a lot of money in it every year, every almost every month. Basically, so I'm hoping that this will be very beneficial to our department. It was, it was a good find, wasn't it for the sheriff.

C

He found it absolutely yeah, so I mean on a dealer's loss right so and then the other um other good news. I think, on the side. It said your staff is complete. I'm not sure is that as of right now, yes, I'm hoping that it remains that way. um I talked to the sheriff when we first took over animal control that in years past, the only people that have really retired out of there have been the director we're hoping to I'm hoping to keep people there and have animal control officers.

C

You know retire out of the position nobody's been like a stepping stone. It's open to you know, have retention, keep people staying there, we're trying to um increase the the salaries and stuff like that to to try and keep the people at animal control, so you're working on budget tuition. Yes, absolutely anything else! No next is building. I would think hopefully, yes, thank you for your report. I want to stay here, a second sure, miss parker. Do you want to add to any of that from our the meeting you had?

C

Thank you thanks again for a great report. um Eight yeah, I'm eight yeah. Thank you. Thank you, carrie. Thank you. So much um for your report. You've been very uh informative to a whack of what we can do to assist with you. This uh last meeting was what last week already and we had a guest who is interested in becoming a member of the committee, and his name is adam mitten and he gave us some information that I was not even aware that uh he is a natural.

C

um What is it a natural resource department of natural resources yeah? He was really and things that we didn't.

C

We had no idea, but it was that visitors who are coming along the river are upsetting the ecosystem and they're collecting did you know we had mussels in our river and they're collecting the mussels to take out and they're stacking rocks, which is um upsetting the ecosystem for different um water life underneath there, and he just said that a lot of the people are moving things and picking up things and taking the muscles out and disrupting the habitat in that area. So I guess there's a real issue with that.

C

I had no idea, we had muscles in a kangaki river and there I mean people get them not to eat. I mean they're cooking them, so I thought he was. He was really informative at the meeting and I hope that he can join us soon.

C

Other than that we did talk a little bit about the state law that was just passed, that breeders may not sell dogs and pet stores, which I thought was a good thing, but one of our veterinarians didn't think it was such a good idea that could cause some complications, but anything that we can do to stop. The uh abuse of breeders that are out there and having puppy mills, which is not good.

C

Her concern was that it would go underground instead of being above ground, yeah and yeah, and we have to make sure that those puppy mills are stopped. Okay and that's about all we had we, we did have a good meeting. Our meetings are running what an hour and a half now, because there's so we get talking and when you have people who love animals as much as we do.

C

We ask a lot of questions and getting as much information as we can and we do appreciate those who attend uh as visitors to you know, give us more information. We just are at a place right now a stopping place, but we always have on our agenda the neuter the cat prop the cat population and the neutering released yeah. So this is a huge problem.

C

It's like taking an elephant and put it into a mouse that this is a huge problem and, and one of the things already I'm concerned about- and uh people who are taking care of colonies of cats, they're feeding them, but we have to remember winter- is coming and if you're going to feed them- and you want to, if you can get them trapped and neutered spayed- to bring down the population and also consider start building little homes for them for shelter in the winter.

C

If you, if you want to care for a colony, then you have to remember food is one thing shelters. Another trap, neuter vaccinate is another: that's we we've got to bring that population down and we were always we're always in the back. Second, back of the mine is a county forum where people of different interests can talk at each other about cruelty to animals and things like that exactly what they can do for a colony.

C

um So that's just going to be a process, and luckily we have john coughlin, our assistant states attorney, who is guiding us and we have carrie who is guiding us along the way. So we appreciate all the help- and I don't think john- has missed a meeting. Mr copeland's missed a meeting yet so we're real happy to have him on board yeah for sure mr wheeler.

C

Thank you, uh mr chairman. um The uh I guess the question I have is is: if somebody takes care of accountant, they're, now legally responsible for every animal in that colony, if there's abuse, if they're not fed, if they're not taken care of, if somebody injects themselves into that, are they now responsible for that colony? I thought they were that's where it becomes a fine line. I see it as ownership, but they're feeding the animals on their property. It's ownership to me in the meeting. It was discussed that they don't believe it's ownership to them.

C

So that's where john and I have discussed what animal control's role will be and how we will view them as owned animals versus unknown animals and people say they're feral, but we know there's feral and then there's friendly strays. So there's a big difference in our community people. Don't technically always feed feral cats. They call imperial cats, but they're, basically friendly stray cats that nobody claims ownership too. But I would just be concerned that if we're advocating somebody takes care of a colony that we're advocating somebody to kind of be irresponsible.

C

That was a big discussion point. That's something that john and I had talked about. You know at length that discussing that that you know if a bite occurs, who's responsible for it if an animal gets injured, who's responsible. For that you know, we don't want to have those things happen.

C

They do happen, they go unreported or the animal comes to us. It's no longer anybody's animal, a bite happens. We can't adopt that cat out. That cat is then euthanized. So it's it's it's hard for everybody involved, but we need to know who's going to clean that animal.

C

If that cat is somebody's property, then they can complain the animal get the cat back and put it back on their property, but a lot of times, that's not the instance, so the other side of that is an ordinance and then you have other other other parts of an ordinance. If you have an ordinance, you know the rules, the rules right and the rules will be, you know, cut and dried. This is what will will happen for animal control and caretakers for tnbr.

C

I have one question and I'll just say I'll, be quiet the. um How much does bark have in their coffers that they collected, because their purpose was to collect money for a new facility. It is yes, I want to say it's 150 to 180.. um A lot of that is tied up in funds um that they have there's not a lot of cash on hand, but a lot of they could get access to it. Obviously, it's just tied up in um stocks I want to, I want to say, but it's around 180.

C

nice miss parker. Thank you, madam chairman. I I just want to add, too, that a lot of people who are caring for a small colony of cats are very responsible, and I know they're gail magnuson.

C

Definitely who has gail's rescue that they do build little shelters for the cats, and I think, if you want to call her maybe her and her husband could build one. Otherwise, the instructions are very easy to do. It's an old cooler, it's just something that they could be sheltered from the storm.

C

We have a couple of them on our. We were down on the cats that we had are already coming. They have their ears clipped and most of them are have moved on, but we do provide shelter for any animal that comes to our back door and we take care of them, make sure that they're trapped, neutered vaccinated and if they choose to run free most of the time they end up. uh Dave goes what's this, why you know? I don't worry about it. So it's just another.

C

One, so we try to do the best that we can, but it doesn't cost that much money to make a small shelter and put it on your back porch. The second side of that is, if you are in a community, a small home community and you're feeding leaving food out for animals, cats, it can attract raccoons, and that is one a really really dangerous situation to have a raccoon with the rabies problem so and distinguish and distemper. So those are, you know, there's every good deed, no good deed and all those good things.

C

So it's always hard to know which way to go. But one thing we know for sure there are thousands of stray cats. There is a problem with stray cats in our community. There is a grand problem and it could be every corner. Whichever way you want to point- and we all know that t and vr is already occurring in our county without an ordinance right now so checkpoint or vaccinate and release dnr, just the vaccinations it's already occurring.

C

Yes, yes, and whether or not if somebody is taking care of a cat community and they're seen as the owner, then they would be responsible for chipping in vaccines. Also, if there's a feral cat, it's different than a domestic cat, I guess you could say um there are different laws in our state statutes and for kinky county that defines feral versus domestic.

C

So, however, it's a hard decision for us, because a lot of these cats are friendly, strays versus feral. So if you call them feral, I guess they have to be looked at to see what they really are. Okay, um but yes, every cat should be vaccinated and microchipped in our county because we know who they belong to. If the cat gets injured, we can have you know somebody responsible for that or we know what to do from there for their care.

C

That is, that is carrie's. Primary question is: if an animal comes to me, who's going to pay for it, I mean that's yeah and I don't mean it like who's going to pay, for I just don't want to have something to euthanize a cat that somebody says I would have paid 500 for to go, get surgery for when this is an unknown animal to us and that the surgery is too expensive for animal control. You know or something like that, something that we can't put the the effort into at this time.

C

So I don't want to sound like I'm. I you know, don't have a heart, but we we can't save every animal, that's realistic! It wasn't meant to be heartless. It wasn't right. Business life, you're, running an organization, yeah save them all. Okay, this this will stay as topic. It'll continue and we'll let you know how we're going along the way, but anything else in okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Oh mr snipes.

C

I just wanted to say that uh mr ed lassie smokey, the bearing bugs bunny, appreciate your service and you've spoken to him recently, and you know that for sure.

C

I will say that if somebody wants to see this change, they need to get a hold of their mayor and tell them they want the stray cat populations addressed within their community because it won't work without the municipalities, money and I hate to say it like that. They've got to buy in literally to have this done, because kankakee has the worst problem I think out of all of them. Then you've got the mobile home communities and you could you could pick them off, but that's where the problems lie is.

C

Is that the municipalities for better for worse? They may not know, there's a problem. They may not understand how to fix the problem, but they're the ones who really control if this can be fixed or not and- and that leads to the part we didn't talk about- is the communities that have an agreement with animal control in the communities that don't and if they were all lined up in together, then we there there would be the funds there and that's why the contract with bourbon a is different.

C

It just relates to injured cats versus all cats, because it would be a lengthy process for animal control to be involved with every cat in bourbonnais it'd be expensive for bourbon a to handle expensive for us to take on our facility. If you guys have all seen, it is not equipped for the amount of cats that we have in our community at this time so which leads to a building, hopefully soon.

C

Yes, again, thank you all and keep the keep your interest in discussion, because it it's vital problems, it's a problem and I need to address and keep addressing. Okay. Thank you, sir. um Are there any items of new or old business that you'd like to bring forward?

C

If not miss polk? Would you like to move? We adjourn? Yes, okay, miss peters! Would you like to second that, okay, all in favor of adjourning, say aye aye.