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From YouTube: Criminal Justice Committee Meeting 06/9/2021
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Criminal Justice Committee Meeting 06/9/2021 7:30 AM
A
A
D
Good
morning,
thank
you
chairman,
good
morning,
everyone,
it's
nice
to
be
with
you
today.
I
I
have
a
short
topic.
I
need
to
bring
to
the
committee's
attention
and
it's
something
that
I
actually
brought
up
when
I
first
became
chief
judge
in
2016,
and
that
is
the
the
problems
with
our
current
case
management
system
at
the
courthouse,
which
is
called
court
view.
D
I've
talked
to
the
chairman.
I've
talked
to
state's
attorney
jim
rowe
and
clerk
sandy
sianzi
and
sheriff
mike
downey
about
this,
and
we've
all
come
to
the
conclusion
that,
if
we're
going
to
make
our
criminal
justice
system
better
in
kankakee
county
and
serve
our
public
better,
we
need
a
new
case
management
system.
D
D
It's
based
to
run
on
a
windows
95
computer.
There
are
many
many
windows
systems
after
that
that
have
come
come
in
to
play.
It's
our
system
is
still
not
integrated,
which
means,
when
an
attorney
files
or
when
anybody,
public
or
attorney
or
anybody
files
something
electronically
at
our
clerk's
office.
D
D
D
D
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
send
texts
of
court
dates
to
our
litigants
as
most
of
the
other
counties
in
the
state.
Do
text
notification
virtually
eliminates
people
not
showing
up
for
their
court
dates
when
people
don't
show
up
for
their
court
dates?
Another
court
date
is
set,
which
is
a
great
great
misuse
of
resources.
D
As
I
said,
most
other
counties
in
the
state
have
this
capability
court
view
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
that.
We
have
no
ability
to
extract
data
that
we
need
to
look
at
how
our
system
is
performing.
I
know
jim
roh.
Our
state's
attorney
is
very
frustrated
with
this
he'd
like
to
have
the
ability
to
run
some
case.
Statistics
simply
can't
do
it
with
our
existing
system.
D
So
we
really
need
to
make
this
the
focus
of
our
efforts
going
forward
in
the
criminal
justice
area,
and
that
is
this
case
management
system.
We
need
to
replace
courtview
with
either
a
newer
version,
which
I
I
don't
think
we
want
to
do
because
corkview
is
has
only
one
client
in
the
state
of
illinois
and
that's
us
and
they
have
no
real
interest
in
serving
us.
We've
learned
that
the
hard
way
there
are
other
case
management
systems
that
have
many
clients
in
illinois.
D
My
second
request
this
morning,
besides
focusing
in
on
this
case
management
system
as
we
go
forward,
is
we
need
at
least
on
a
temporary
basis
going
forward.
We
need
some
more
people
in
the
clerk's
office
to
do
this
work
that
is
essential
to
keep
our
courts
functioning
going
to
need
some
more
clerks,
like
I
said,
hopefully
on
just
a
temporary
basis.
D
So
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
happening
at
the
courthouse.
I'd
be
happy
to
discuss
all
the
good
programs
and
progress
we've
made
in
many
many
areas,
but
the
bottleneck
right
now
and
it's
essential
that
we
address.
This
is
our
case
management
system
and
the
inability
of
our
clerk's
office,
and
it's
really
not
their
fault,
but
the
inability
right
now
with
the
people
they
have
to
stay
current
with
our
case
management
system.
D
E
You
judge
kramer
chief
judge
kramer.
I
can
appreciate
the
comments
that
that
you
made
and
I
just
looked
at
at
pennwy,
and
I
shared
with
him
a
few
weeks
ago
what
I
observed.
I
went
to
court
with
with
a
friend
with
another
alderman
as
a
support
person
for
a
a
mutual
friend
of
ours,
but
I
noticed
that
that
one
of
the
attorneys
came
there
and
he
had
this
stack
of
files
of
of
his
clients
and
he
kept.
E
You
know
calling
off
the
names
of
the
people
who
were
there
for
trial
and
they
weren't
there.
They
didn't
show
up.
So
I
I
can
attest
to
what
you're
saying
about
people
not
showing
up
and
the
problems
that
that
provides
for
the
system
and
you
inter
indicated
that
the
court
view
is
antiquated
and,
as
is
roth
with
problems.
E
My
question
to
you.
You
articulate
that
some
other
systems,
other
programs.
What
other
programs
for
case
management.
Would
you
suggest
that
you
pursue
and
I'm
sure
there
have
to
be
bids
and
all
that
stuff
and
and
requests
for
proposals
and
so
forth?
What
kind
of
program
would
be
the
best
for
the
your
particular
needs
and
the
clerk's
needs.
D
D
D
It's
a
problem
of
commitment
to
this
prop
problem
and
allocating
the
resources
that
we're
going
to
need.
It's
not
going
to
be
cheap,
no
doubt
about
it
and
we're
still
going
to
have
a
bond
to
pay
off
for
court
view
that
has
probably
10
years
to
go.
I
don't
know
the
exact
figure,
but
it
you
know,
as
we
look
at
how
to
spend
these
federal
dollars
coming
in
going
forward.
I
think
this
really
needs
to
be
the
focus
if
we're
going
to
make
an
impact
on
the
criminal
justice
system.
D
As
I
said,
there
are
many
other
counties
that
have
gone
through
this
process,
the
first
ones
that
did
it
had
a
terrible
time.
It's
gotten
easier
and
easier
to
go
through
that
transition
as
time
has
gone
up
gone
by
here
and
other
counties
have
a
lot
of
the
experience
of
the
ones
that
went
first,
so
we'd
be
able
to
benefit
from
that
process.
That's
already
happened
in
other
places.
It
should
go
pretty
smoothly
here
I
would
imagine,
but
yes,
there
would
be
experts
involved
and
it
would
be
a
transition
process.
E
D
E
F
E-Filing
was
coming
sorry,
that's
all
right.
We
we
knew
that
e-file
was
coming
and
we
knew
the
shortcomings.
The
bond
is
is
up
in
2028
and
we
still
owe
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
on
the
current
system.
We
have
I'm
not
going
to
disparage
the
decision
that
was
made
years
ago,
but
it
was
not
the
best
one.
F
We
thought
it
was
and
it
didn't
turn
out
that
way,
and
it
was
an
expensive
lesson
so
we're
looking
at
still
having
to
eat
that
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
with
whatever
we
do,
and
so
anything
is
new
money
and
a
new
system
is
in
the
2
million
range
on
its
own.
Now,
they're
cloud-based
now
a
lot
of
times,
so
we
don't
have
the
limitations
of
is
a
good
example.
If
there
aren't
tech
people
here,
I
apologize,
but
the
system
uses
tips
instead
of
pdfs
and
tips
are
massive
files.
F
So
that's
when
they
say
it
slows
down
it's
because
it's
reading
every
document
as
a
tiff
and
so
the
little
the
little
time
thing
just
sits
there
and
spins
for
the
judges
and
they
have
to
wait
10
15
minutes,
sometimes
for
just
a
page
to
pop
up,
not
to
mention
every
time
the
supreme
court
comes
out
with
a
new
rule
or
law
or
procedure.
That's
an
upgrade
to
the
system
that
hits
us
50,
75
000
a
pop,
so
it's
just
not
the
two
and
a
half,
so
I'm
just
letting
you
know
that.
F
I
agree
that
the
price
is
not
the
cost
on
this
system.
The
cost
is
double
work
for
sandy
all
the
upgrades
the
time
to
do
the
upgrades,
the
fact
that
we're
at
the
bottom
of
the
list,
because
we're
the
only
ones
in
illinois
we're
like
we're
the
only
ones
that
have
to
have
the
upgrade
because
they're
we're
the
only
ones
here
so
there's
a
balance
and
the
last
time
this
was
done.
It
was
done
with
the
committee
working
with
the
chief
judge
at
the
time
I
believe
it
started
with
wenzelmann.
I
believe.
F
So
that
that's
how
long
ago
it
was
when
this
was
being
talked
about
and
they
implemented
it,
and
you
know
it
was
great,
they
were
able
to
transfer
all
their
old
data
over
and
you
know
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
a
system
that
integrated
with
new
world,
which
is
a
tyler
company
and
tyler,
has
a
case
management
system.
So
I'm
not
saying
that's
the
choice,
but
you
know
sandy's
been
looking
into
some
of
this
stuff.
Just
to
you
know,
get
familiar
with
what
we're
talking
about.
So
you
know
it
is.
F
It
is
a
legitimate
use
of
coveted
money.
We
think
you
know,
because
obviously
the
treasurer
is
not
answering
or
the
treasury's
not
answering
that
question
directly.
They
just
say
refer
to
the
rules.
Well,
the
rules,
don't
say
specific
specifics,
so
we
think
it's
okay
at
this
point,
so
the
need
is
there
and
that's.
What's
on
the
big
board
of
projects
that
have
been
identified
as
a
a
prime
use
for
the
courts?
Now,
that's
separate
from
the
ask
on
on
more
clerks,
I'm
just
wanting
to
comment
directly
in
court
view
that
I
would
agree.
F
F
We
should
consider,
as
they
say,
eating
the
two
and
a
half
million
on
the
bond,
because
I
think
it
cost
us
much
more
than
that
in
labor
in
time
and
upgrades
and
and
for
the
last
three
four
years
I
mean
this
is
not
going
to
happen
in
a
week
by
the
way.
I
just
want
to
mention
that
this
is
a
process
that
could
take
us
eight
months
to
a
year
to
get
through.
This
is
not
easy.
This
is
pretty
heady
stuff,
so
I
just
want
to
mention
that
to
the
committee.
Thank.
G
Thank
you
definitely
appreciate
your
concerns.
Chief
judge
kramer,
as
I
monitor
course
from
time
to
time.
I
do
see
the
frustration,
but
when
I
was
here
on
the
board
with
judge
gu,
we
wanted
to
put
tvs
into
the
courthouses
and
he
had
failed
its
attempt.
The
first
time
when
I
asked
him.
What
do
you
need
to
make
this
court
operate
more?
Certainly,
if
we
can
have
this
so
we
I
came
back
to
this
county
to
the
county
board.
G
G
We
need
to
maybe
bite
this
cost
on
a
2.5,
but
I'm
surprised
that
in
that
2.5
these
individuals,
weren't
responsible
to
update
and
keep
us
operating,
is
there
something
in
there
that
that
that
is
a
breach,
that
we
can
probably
look
at
them
just
options,
but
for
the
most
part
I
would
like
to
see
how
today
can
we
move
this
forward
and
get
the
action?
If,
if
the
the
monies
is
there,
because
that's
only
going
to
happen
once,
certainly
there
will
be
a
cost
to
the
to
the
to
the
community.
G
The
court
versus
keeping
folks
have
from
having
to
come
to
court
simply
because
they
can
get
a
text
or
whether
we
are
in
the
21st
century,
but
we
operate
in
the
19th
century,
so
I
am
all
for
it.
I'm
just
saying:
let's
not
talk
about
it,
let's
be
about
it.
Let's,
let's
get.
Let's
get
it
done,
put
our
put
our
minds
together.
Our
strategies
together
show
the
cost
and
then,
if
covet
covers
it
or
whatever
this
relief
package
covers.
A
I
would
I
think
what
should
happen
is
chairman
wheeler,
you
put
together
a
group
to
move
this
forward
coordinated
with,
and
I
think
you
got
to
have
kevin
duvall
involved
in
that
you
know.
Maybe
wiring
is
going
to
have
to
be
changed
or
something
like
that
and
trent
from
the
sheriff's
department
and
anybody
else.
It's
a
tech
person
with
each.
You
know
individual.
A
F
Pretty
much
yes,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
The
I
think
the
first
step
would
be
that
the
the
covet
subcommittee
of
the
executive
committee
should
say
that
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
focus
and
think
we
want
to
fund.
That's
the
committee
structure
that
we
have
set
up.
I
think
we
have
this.
This
committee
could
say.
Yes,
we
agree.
We
would
support
that
decision
by
the
covet
subcommittee,
but
that
has
to
go
through
that
process.
First,
we
shouldn't
be
allocating
out
of
this
committee.
F
I
would
agree,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
a
hard
sell.
I
think
it'll
work,
but
once
you
have
that
approval,
then
that
that's
a
policy
and
a
project
statement
that
allows
just
what
you're
talking
about
this
committee
to
get
forward
to
start
putting
numbers
behind
it.
We
kind
of
know
it's
around
two
million
dollars,
we're
not
able
to
do
a
cost
benefit,
because
we
don't
really
know
how
much
time
it's
going
to
save
in
sandy's
office.
We
just
hear
it's
double
the
work.
We
don't
have
a
time
study
that
shows
that.
F
So
I'm
not
saying
we
waste
money
on
a
time
study,
but
what
I'm
getting
at
some
of
this
is
unquantifiable.
It's
just
kind
of
like
guessing.
You
think
it's
obvious.
It
does
cost
extra
time,
it's
just
silly
to
say
we're
going
to
scan
something
again,
then
print
it
out
to
re-scan
it
in
that's
just
goofy,
but
in
in
this
case
you
know
we
can
say
well,
we've
got
all
these
upgrades
and
they
normally
cost
75
grand
a
piece.
So
that's
more
money,
we're
saving,
but
just
for
us
to
make
that
decision.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
kind
of
a
question
for
sandy
and
the
chief
judge,
and
maybe
the
sheriff
that
and
of
course,
the
state's
attorney,
have
you
checked
with
any
of
your
counterparts
on
what
programs
that
you
would
lean
towards
or
spent
any
time
working
on?
You
know
going
to
that
county
and
looking
at
their
system
and
seeing
how
it's
running.
I
I
We
aren't
able
to
extract
the
reports
that
we
need
to
do
for
the
future.
Reporting
needs
going
forward
in
2022
with
the
new
record-keeping
manual.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
that
are
moving
forward
and
a
new
system
would
be
a
great
help.
But
yes,
I
have
been
meeting
with
different
ones
and
finding
out
the
intricacies.
F
Mr
chairman,
can
I
just
mention
something
yeah
yeah,
I
know
I
don't
know
if
this
was
the
intent
of
the
comment,
but
we
just
didn't
sit
and
talk
about
this.
We
knew
we
had
to
move
on
something,
but
we
have
no
money
and
now
with
covid
we
would
have
money,
so
it
moves
into
a
phase.
Can
we
actually
and
should
we
actually
do
this
now?
We've
identified
this,
but
we
also
knew
we
didn't
have
any
money
to
pay
for
the
current
system
and
a
new
system
at
the
same
time.
F
So
it
was
pure
economics
and
not
need.
So
we
just
didn't
talk.
We
actually
tried
to
devise
an
action
plan.
That's
why
sandy
was
out
there
getting
prices
so
when
the
time
came
to
say,
okay,
now
we
got
to
eat
the
current
system.
Well,
what
does
that
cost
and
what's
the
plan,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
to
the
committee.
C
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
one
of
the
most
important
components
of
the
next
system
has
to
be
that
it
talks
to
all
other
law
enforcement
agencies-
immigration,
sheriff's
system-
that
that
just
poses
a
major
challenge
for
everyone,
because
those
systems
don't
talk
to
each
other.
So
you
know
certain
clerks
fiance's
office
may
put
put
a
warrant
into
a
system,
but
then
there's
eight
other
steps
it
takes
before
they
can
get
it
over
to
cancom
so
that
it's
put
into
a
system.
C
So
an
officer
when
he
pulls
behind
a
vehicle
knows
that
that
suspect
may
have
a
warrant
which
changes.
I
would
imagine
their
whole
approach
to
the
vehicle
and
kind
of
the
feel
of
that
entire
incident,
so
that
that
integration
is
going
to
be
most
important.
You
know
other
counties
may
have
great
programs,
but
what
the
sheriff
has
right
now,
I
think,
is
with
tyler,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
seems
to
work
very
well
for
them
and
for
all
the
other
law
enforcement
agencies
in
the
county
that
are
tied
into
it.
C
Definitely
a
dinosaur-
and
you
know
I
I
mean
we
all
want
to
upgrade
the
vehicle
we'd
love
to
have
the
newest
system,
but
I
think
what
the
chief
judge
said
in
the
meantime,
you,
maybe
you
got
to
patch
the
tires
until
we
get
that
new
system
implemented
in
that
patch
when
it
comes
to
software,
if
the
software
isn't
functioning
properly,
the
only
patch
for
that
is
staff
because
we
have
to
get
up
to
date
on
getting
this
information
into
the
system.
We
have
this
public
portal
and
we
tell
people
go
to
this
website.
C
So
you
can
see
what
your
next
court
date
is.
We
did
it
all
throughout
cove
and
those
dates
were
not
updated
all
throughout
that
time
period.
So
people
were
missing
court,
they
would
call.
We
can't
look
it
up.
It's
not
in
the
system.
We
we're
not
able
to
to
do
that
if
it's
not
in
court
view.
So
when
the
system
can't
even
tell
the
person
what
their
court
date
is,
but
then
they
miss
court
and
they
may
get
a
warrant.
C
J
C
K
D
D
I
just
want
to
present
this
as
something
that
is
of
great
need
in
the
courthouse,
so
that,
as
we
go
through
the
process
outlined
by
the
chairman,
wheeler
with
his
committees
and
his
openness
and
his
transparency
of
the
process,
we
need
to
have
this
front
and
center
as
we
go
forward
with
that
process
and
make
the
moves
that
we
need
to
make
with
the
federal
money
that's
coming
in.
So
that's
my
message.
D
G
Mr
snipes,
and
just
one
because
of
the
what
what
alarms
me
is
that
windows
95
the
support
systems
are
not
there
for
anybody
that
got
window
95,
that's
urgency,
all
and
within
itself.
The
other
thing
is
on
the
flip
side
of
that
in
law
enforcement
is
yeah.
They
might.
The
warrants
might
not
get
out
there,
but
on
the
abstract.
If
the
judge
has
squashed
the
warrant,
we're
arresting
individuals,
because
only
because
something
hasn't
gotten
to
them,
and
we
would
never
want
to
disturb
anyone's
freedom
if
it's
not
warranted.
G
Now
that
there
is
even
in
this
committee,
though,
it
may
not
be
an
action
item,
we
have
in
the
past,
gave
a
head
nod
and
and
and
and
and
sent
that
recommendation
to
whatever
committee
is
going
to
be
either
that's
current
or
going
to
come
into
fruition,
and
and
they
will
have
the
blessings
to
know
that
this
is
an
urgency
request.
Even
from
this
committee
from
us
to
whatever
committee
andy
willa
and
any
other
committee.
A
L
L
L
So
everything
you
said
is
right
as
far
as
where
you
want
to
go
and
all
in
favor
that,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
accidentally
misrepresent
that
a
company
did
something
that
they
didn't
do
and
then
takes
action
against
us.
We
have
enough
need
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
go
forward,
but
it
was.
It
was
misspoking,
it
was
not
windows
95,
it
was
appropriate
at
the
time
their
updates
have
kept
current
with
windows
version.
That's
going.
L
A
J
Yes,
mr
chairman,
yes
I
I
would
agree.
I
think
we
should
move
this
ahead
and
try
to
be
as
swiftly
as
possible
on
it.
This
has
been
a
problem.
That's
been
going
on
for
quite
a
while
we've
needed
this
upgrade.
Our
court
system
needs
this
upgrade
and
our
the
the
public
that
we're
representing
needs
this
upgrade
and
it
may
cost
us
money.
J
But,
unfortunately,
you
know
technology
costs,
money
and
service
to
the
community
costs
money.
So
I
think
we
should
move
forward
on
this,
and
I
I
already
know
that
mr
wheeler
has
been
working
and
has
has
brought
some
ideas
up
for
the
for
these
for
projects
such
as
this-
and
I
think
it's
time
we
just
get
on-
we
we
get
on
the
ball
and
get
going
and
regardless
of
what
was
happened
in
the
past,
it's
the
past.
Let's
start
working
on
the
president
and
into
the
future.
A
I
I
We
went
from
208
000
last
month
to
99
000,
but
if
you
look
across
the
board,
we're
still
ahead
for
the
january
through
may
we
have
755
000
that
we've
collected,
and
you
know
that's
a
little
over
200
000
more
than
last
year
at
this
time,
so
people
are
coming
in
and
paying
left
and
right
and
then
with
the
state's
attorney
collection
report
as
well.
That
was
higher.
I
J
I
I
As
I've
been
telling
everyone
for
the
last
three
years,
I've
had
given
opportunities
for
staff
to
work
on
saturdays
twice
a
month
and
trying
just
to
keep
up
with
their
work,
and
that
resulted
because
I
kept
it
under
40
hours
a
week,
so
it
was
always
straight
time,
overtime
or
account
time.
So
it
wasn't
time
and
a
half.
But
this
last
month
and
a
half
I've
had
them
working
around
the
clock
before
work,
7
30
during
lunch.
I
So
when
the
overtime
costs
come
at
a
time
and
a
half
we're
basically
paying
for
150
hours
rather
than
100.,
this
isn't
sustainable
and,
as
we've
been
talking,
I
think
we
need
at
least
three
clerks.
If
it's
a
hundred
hours
and
each
clerk
works
35
hours
a
week,
that's
three
clerks
right
there.
Just
in
one
week
a
new
clerk
coming
in
is
13.54
cents
an
hour,
so
it's
less
than
25
000
a
year.
I
So
it
would
be
a
savings
overall
in
one
side
of
the
fence.
If
you
look
at
it
that
way,
but
we
just
we
got
to
keep
up
with
the
backlog,
the
day-to-day
day-to-day
functioning
of
the
courthouse
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
the
whole
thing,
with
the
e-access
being
down
for
four
days.
That
was
a
huge
problem,
so
we
had
a
lot
of
extra
people
calling
trying
to
keep
up
with
you
know
when
their
court
dates
are
or
what
the
information
was.
I
So
you
know
that
was
really
a
time
waster,
not
time
waster,
but
a
time
taker
as
well.
So
I'm
asking
for
three
clerks
at
this
time
and
they
would
be
dedicated
toward
minute
clerk
work
so
that
we
could
keep
the
court
side
of
things
moving
the
e-filing,
even
though
it's
a
hassle
we're
keeping
up
with
that
right
now
and
the
customer
counter
and
that
kind
of
stuff
and
the
orders
of
protection
things
that
we
can't
regulate.
I
I
We
get
requests
all
the
time
from
state
police,
with
research
trying
to
get
information
on
different
people
with
that
are
applying
for
foid
cards,
and
that
is
immediate.
We
have
to
respond
to
those
immediately.
You
know
we're
just.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
entities
that
come
in
and
need
our
assistance
and
need
our
information,
and
sometimes
it's
feast,
and
sometimes
it's
famine.
You
know
it's
hard
to
regulate
so
anyway.
That's
my
request
is
three.
A
J
A
A
M
M
M
E
I
I
I
E
It's
not
all
I'm
saying
is
that,
in
order
to
improve
your
efficiency,
that
may
be,
you
know
one
of
the
hallmarks
that
you
implement
as
far
as
being
able
to
get
the
work
product
out.
I
I
know
that
you're
operating
at
a
at
a
deficit
based
on
what
the
state's
attorney
has
indicated
and
judge
cramer
has
indicated.
But
what
what
I
hear
from
you?
I
Well,
no,
the
price-
I
guess
I
need
to
have
you
come
in
and
see
what
that
means
minute,
clerks
that
go
to
court.
They
are
specialized.
They
specialize
in
taking
the
the
dictation
from
the
judge
and
making
sure
that
the
record
is
accurate
as
far
as
what
goes
on
in
court
and
they
process
the
paperwork
that
goes
on
in
court.
I
The
people
that
work
at
the
counter
that
are
the
clerical
staff.
They
assist
the
customers
at
the
counter
and
they
they
have
to
be
ready
to
go
at
a
given
moment,
but
the
people
that
are
at
their
at
the
counter
clerical
work
are
not
they,
some
of
them,
don't
even
want
to
go
to
court.
That's
just
an
intimidating
position
for
some
of
them.
It's
a
fast-paced
position
for
some
of
them.
I
They
don't
have
the
note-taking
ability
and
the-
and
you
know,
with
the
shorthand
or
speed,
writing
or
they're,
not
maybe
confident
in
taking
the
notes
that
need
to
be
taken
to
process
the
work
that
goes
to
court.
So
you
know
some
people
have
tried
it.
They've
they've
decided
they
wanted
the
increase
in
pay,
so
they
applied
for
the
position.
They
got
into
the
courtroom
and
it
just
was
not
their
thing.
So
then
they
stepped
back
and
they
are
now.
I
E
And
I'm
just
trying
not
to
comparison,
I'm
looking
at
madame
clerk.
I
understand
that
all
I'm
saying
is
is
that
that
may
be
something
you
you
would
consider.
That's
all.
I
understand
that
you
know
people
need
vacations
and
I
understand
the
overload
that
you've
articulated
and
and
the
specificity
you
provided
us
regarding
overtime.
I
mean
you
know.
We
understand
that
all
I'm
saying
to
you
is
is
in
terms
of
efficiency.
There
may
be
some
steps
that
you
can
some
remedial
steps.
G
Not
to
belabor
the
point,
but
I
agree
with
steve
lear.
I
think
that's
going
in
the
right
direction
to
kind
of
give
ahead
not
or
make
a
recommendation
going
into
finances
that
they
say
to
stretch
but
to
look
at
the
cobra.
I
think,
looking
at
the
criteria,
I
believe
that
you
would.
You
also
would
meet
that
and
then
also
it
looks
like
you
are
ultra
conservative
in
in
in
getting
these
individuals
in
because
you're
only
paying
them
about
two
dollars
over
what
the
current
minimum
wage
is
now.
G
G
G
At
that
particular
time,
everybody
cannot
cross-train
into
every
position,
but
you're
maximizing
the
cross-training
in
which
they
are
able
to
cross-train.
So
I
hear
your
message
so
let's
move
forward
and
see
if
we
can
help
you
out,
because
that's
basically
what
we're
here
for
is
to
help
you.
If
we,
if
there's
any
possible
way.
F
Mr
roy,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sam.
You
mentioned
four
people
out
on
medical
leave
correct.
Besides
that
so
you're
running
four
people
down
anyway,
I
don't
know
unknown,
prolonged
basis,
all
right
so
and
they're
not
being
paid
correct
or
they're.
When
they're
off
on
medical
leave,
are
you
paying?
Are
they
on
salary
still.
F
F
I
I
F
Okay,
I
would
just
say
to
the
committee
that
that
sure
you
can
forward
it
on
to
finance
they'll.
Look
at
it.
They'll
look
at
the
study
we
have
that
says
the
number
of
clerks
that
should
be
in
that
office
based
on
statistical
data
is
exactly
what's
there
and
then
they'll
also
consider
that
we
just
lost
five
million
dollars
a
year
in
revenue.
F
So
I
think
that
there's
a
balance
that's
going
to
have
to
happen
and-
and
I
think
that
I
would
agree-
there's
a
need-
and
maybe
we
can
get
through
the
backlog
with
the
covid
money,
but
once
once
you're
through
the
backlog,
we
lose
our
coveted
reason.
So
I
just
want
to
mention
that
that
it's
the
covered
money
is
not
the
cure.
I'll
be
all
for
this.
It's
going
to
take
other
stuff.
A
C
Okay,
all
right,
so
you
see
we're
at
470
felonies
through
the
end
of
may.
You
know
I
I
feel,
like
I
say
this
every
meeting,
but
that's
that's
a
lot
just
some
comparison.
When
you
look
back
to
2019,
we
had
925
felonies
go
through
the
grand
jury
over
the
course
of
that
entire
year,
and
at
this
point
in
that
year
we
were
at
418.,
so
we're
significantly
ahead
of
that
we're
ten
grand
juries
in.
C
C
Some
of
this,
of
course,
a
big
chunk
of
it
are
cases
that
we
were
not
able
to
get
the
grand
jury.
Last
year
we
got
to
him
when
grand
jury
started
up
early
this
year,
so
there
was
an
initial
surge
of
cases.
However,
grand
jury
to
grand
jury
we're
we're
seeing
those
numbers
you
know
staying
pretty
consistent,
just
just
for
some
historical
data.
C
I
looked
over
a
few
minutes
ago
cases
that
were
referred
to
our
office
versus
number
of
cases
filed
because
it
might
be
easy
to
say
well
if,
if
the
cases
have
practically
doubled,
then
crime
must
have
gone
up
as
well,
but
just
let's
say
a
2016
number.
There
were
2
943
cases
referred
to
our
office
for
review.
E
E
C
C
E
C
Yeah
I
had
a
great
meeting
with
mayor
curtis
with
chief
passwater,
with
his
leadership
team.
I've
been
meeting
now
we
started
doing
meetings
monthly
meetings
with
the
detectives
and
sergeants
from
all
departments.
Countywide
and
I've
been
going
around
doing
roll
call
trainings
at
three
different
shifts
with
patrol
sergeants,
and
you
know
it's
just
keeping
those
open
lines
of
communication
sharing
information.
C
We
have
chiefs
meetings
every
week.
You
know
those
are
helpful
with
sharing
information
at
the
chiefs
level.
However,
to
make
sure
that
it's
getting
down
to
the
guys
that
are
working
the
cases,
your
detectives,
your
sergeants,
that's
why
I
think
those
monthly
meetings
are
going
to
help
as
well.
It
gets
the
departments
all
at
the
table,
sharing
sharing
information,
which
is
seems
to
be
key
in
what
we're
all
trying
to
do
here.
Thank.
G
C
You
know
that's
something
we
don't
track.
I
feel
like
when
you
start
tracking
a
win-loss
record
that
can
really
start
to
skew
people's
judgment
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
A
case
should
never
be
about
necessarily
winning
or
losing.
It
should
be
about
making
sure
we're
doing
justice.
We
talk
many
times
robert.
Sometimes
justice
may
require
filing
a
case.
It
may
require
getting
into
the
discovery
mode,
and
then
you
learn
something
and
you
realize
hey.
You
know
this
individual,
maybe
the
male
intent
wasn't
there.
C
So
your
conviction
rate,
I
I
don't
know
that
it
would
really
tell
the
whole
story
to
begin
with,
but
it's
just
something
we
no
longer
track
in
the
state's
attorney's
office.
We
take
every
case
individually.
We
try
to
do
justice
in
every
case
and
I'm
afraid
if
we
start
tracking,
wins
and
losses,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
necessarily
get
away
from
that.
C
Because
then,
the
incentive
for
the
employee
for
the
prosecutor
is
to
make
sure
that
in
99
of
their
cases
they
get
a
conviction
every
time
and
they
that
sometimes
that
is
not
the
best
result.
So
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
drive
that
culture
here.
It's
not
something
we're
looking
to
brag
about.
G
C
Yeah
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
analyze
that
you
know
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
say
that
when
someone
comes
into
the
system,
let's
say
for
a
first-time
drug
offense,
the
success
rate
of
them.
Never
returning
back
into
the
system
is
best
when
we
give
them
drug
court
or
intensive,
probation
or
regular
probation
or
conditional
discharge.
I'd
love
to
know
that
answer
the
problem.
Is
we
can't
analyze
that
data
with
the
existing
court
management
system?
That's
what
the
chief
judge
talked
about
this
morning
a
little
bit
he
touched
on
it
briefly.
C
A
C
A
A
N
Basically,
first
of
all,
it's
good
to
be
back,
it's
good
to
see
everybody
there's
a
convenience
to
zoom,
but
obviously
in
person
trumps,
any
type
of
technology
that
I'm
aware
of
at
this
point,
basically
we're
plugging
along
we're.
Just
you
know
we're
doing
the
job
the
best
we
can
right
now
as
far
as
moving
cases
kind
of
inside
baseball,
but
on
july
12th
is
going
to
be
a
massive
felony
call
before
judge
elliott-
and
hopefully
mr
rose
been
very
proactive
in
trying
to
resolve
cases
on
that
date.
N
A
N
Very
briefly,
I
yeah
I'm
not.
I
cannot
speak
to
this,
the
specifics
that
everyone
is
starting
up
on
as
far
as
sandy
and
the
type
of
program
or
systems
that
the
county
should
be
looking
at.
It's
simply
not
my
domain.
All
I
can
say
regarding
that
is
that
you
know
the
clerk's
office.
The
computer
is
the
face
of
the
clerk's
office
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
as
from
an
outsider's
point
of
view,
and
if
you
know
that
system
has
to
work
otherwise,
you
know
the
county
looks
bad.
N
This
is
my
personal
opinion
and
again
I
might
be
talking
out
of
my
league
in
that
regards
other
than
that.
I
have
no
specific
comment
on
on
that
issue.
I
would
like
to
say
just
in
passing
my
newest
assistant.
She
does
rosenthal
won
a
jury
trial
yesterday,
so
I
want
to
congratulate
him
and
his
hard
work.
As
mr
rowe
said,
an
acquittal
is
part
of
the
system,
so
an
acquittal
is
not
a
a
indicator
that
something
bad
happened
or
something
unjust
happened,
it's
exactly
the
opposite.
N
So
you
know
an
acquittal
is
as
good
as
a
conviction.
So
I'm
very
proud
of
him-
and
I
just
want
to
you,
know,
give
kudos
and
shout
out
he
was
created
through
one
of
the
conversions
to
a
full-time
assistant,
and
you
know
he
took
the
time
and
put
the
money
or
put
the
time
in
put
the
effort
in
and
got
the
result
that
that
the
jury
deemed
appropriate.
So
that's
all.
I
have
on
that.
A
O
Just
just
point
out,
like
some
of
the
usual
stuff,
we
you
see,
we
have
250
almost
250
individuals
on
pre-trial
already
25
on
electric
monitoring
and
collected
almost
400
drug
tests.
Last
month,
the
screenings
for
juvenile
detention
went
down
a
little
bit.
We
screened
25
and
detained
11
and
have
eight
in
custody.
Currently,
unless
there's
any
questions
about.
O
O
O
So
there's
a
board
I
sit
on
and
we
pushed
for
a
fourth
option
to
be
considered
and
the
chief
judges
association,
a
letter
is
going
out
today
by
judge
kramer
who's,
the
chief
of
that
association,
pushing
for
a
fourth
option,
because
it's
a
major
shift.
If
they
pull
it,
they
would
pull
four
positions
from
our
office,
and
you
know
my
point
to
them
is
we?
You
know
we
lay
on
last
on
first
to
go
so
they're,
not
even
getting
the
pretrial
people,
so
they
would
just
go
into
other
positions
in
our
office.
O
We
lay
off
the
last
and
it
could
be
a
person
in
iroquois
county
too.
It
gets
laid
off
because
it's
a
circuit-wide
seniority,
but
it
would
be
a
major
shift
and
I
just
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
think
remotely
supervising
people
from
the
state
from
somewhere
around
the
state
is
just
not
the
way
to
you
know
to
do
it,
but
I
just
want
to
keep
this
is
moving
fast,
because
the
organizational
structure
of
pretrial
pre-trials
holding
up
everything
they
want
to
do
at
aoic
and
the
supreme
court.
O
F
O
O
And
so
there's
a
big
push
to
even
go
farther
than
the
normal
granade.
Okay,
because
the
need
and
that's
the
problem
when
they
offered
a
lot
of
pre-trial
positions,
some
counties
down
south
of
us,
you
know
pushed
back
on
it
because
there
was,
you
know,
there's
still
a
cost
to
a
training
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
O
So
I
think
the
push
is
for
a
hybrid
that
if
you
have
there's
about
20
of
us
24
of
us
in
the
state
that
have
pre-trial
programs
that
a
lot
of
the
counties
us
your
peorias
and
champaigns-
that
we
would
keep
the
pre-trial
programs
here
and
then
the
state
could
run
in
the
areas
in
southern
illinois
and
the
smaller
counties
that
might
not
have
an
arrest
every
day
in
their
county
is.
Is.
O
O
And
lesser
real,
quick
just
on
the
case
management
system,
we
use
a
third
case
management
system,
the
tracker
case
management
system
in
our
office.
It
doesn't
speak
to
the
other
court
view.
Obviously,
we
rely
heavily
on
court
view.
We
use
new
world
for
information,
but
we
run
into
the
same
problems
with
court
view
being
behind
that
law
enforcement.
O
Would
you
know
from
certain
warrants,
in
our
office
to
supervising
individuals
that
might
have
had
their
probation
discharged
a
few
weeks
earlier,
but
we
don't
know
or
we're
reaching
out
or
sending
violations
to
mr
rose
office
or
we're
doing
whatever
and
or
got
bit.
Somebody
shows
up
at
our
offices.
I
was
put
on
probation
and
no
one's
contacting
me
because
you
know
it's
those
things
we
gotta
really
are
really.
O
You
know
we
gotta,
it
can
really
impact
our
office
and
it
could
be
a
problem
if
we're
not
supervising
somebody
we
shouldn't
or
we
are,
and
we're
causing
problems
for
them
and
they're
off
probation
or
any
other
kind
of
supervision.
So
we
do
have
the
technology,
in
our
case
management
system,
to
send
out
alert,
reminders
for
appointments
and
court
dates.
O
It
works
very
well,
but
again
we
have
to
get
that
information
for
those
next
states
from
court
view
and
mostly
when,
especially
in
the
adult
world
when
they
come
in,
they
screen
court
view
real,
quick
on
their
case
and
see
if
there's
anything
going
on
they
weren't
aware
of,
and
then
they
obviously
discussed
that.
Well,
obviously,
if
that's
behind
or
whatever,
obviously
it's
not
so
about
50
or
about
50
counties
in
illinois
use
our
our
system,
which
helps
keep
the
cost
down.
O
F
F
A
A
K
K
K
Just
to
give
you
a
breakdown-
and
I
know
I've
heard
the
the
term
five
million
dollars
pretty
regularly
over
the
last
couple
days
in
fiscal
year,
19
our
ice
detainees
brought
in
for
four
million
six
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars
in
fiscal
year.
Twenty
we
brought
in
two
million
three
hundred
ninety
four
thousand
dollars
and
thus
far,
if
you
extrapolate
the
numbers
out
at
12
months,
we're
looking
at
right
around
a
million
dollars
this
year.
K
F
K
K
We
hear
that
word
bantered
around
by
different
people,
some
in
the
media,
some
who
who
oppose
the
fact
that
we're
housing
for
ice
there
is
no
profit
here.
If
there
was
a
profit,
we
would
be
giving
the
county
money
back
and
there's
not
a
profit.
What
we
do
by
housing
these
individuals
is,
we
reduce
the
cost
to
house
our
own
local
inmates
to
our
local
taxpayers.
K
L
H
K
You
know
that
accident.
There
was
no
indication
that
there
was
anybody
doing
anything
wrong.
One
individual
crossed
the
center
line
and
hit
a
car
head-on.
Again,
they
don't
know
if
it
was
a
medical
incident
or
if
it
was
somebody
that
fell
asleep,
and
then
there
was
a
couple
other
ones.
I
know
there
was
one
in,
I
think
there's
one
or
two
in
iroquois
county
and
I
think
those
were
also.
K
M
K
You
know
what
we
can
do
different
with
intersections
and
and
those
type
of
things
you
know
we.
We
utilize
some
traffic
enforcement
grants
during
specific
times
of
the
year
summer,
specific
times
of
the
year
being,
you
know,
holiday,
weekends,
extended
holiday,
weekends.
Others
are
just
kind
of
random,
so
that
people,
you
know,
don't
know
that
we're
out
there
or
but
remember
you
know
we
don't
you
know.
Traffic
enforcement
for
us
is
not
a
revenue
issue.
K
K
K
However,
the
reports
we
hear
from
from
landlords
are
that
there
are
people
out
there
that
haven't
missed
a
day
of
work
that
are
taking
advantage
of
of
the
moratorium
and
not
paying
the
rent,
and
that's
that's
a
little
bit
disheartening,
especially
for
those
people
that
are
trying
to
you
know,
make
a
living
and
own
property.
So
there's
nothing,
we
can
do
about
it,
but
it
is
out
there.
A
K
A
K
M
M
A
B
K
K
Life
there's
some
more
and
there's
some
some
other
equipment
from
our
cars
that
are
all,
and
I
will
bring
that
to
finance
yeah.
There's
150
obsolete
radio
equipment
stuff
I
am
going
to
so.
The
list
I
got
was
a
bunch
of
chicken
scratch,
so
I'm
going
to
have
it
typed
up
by
serial
number
and
everything
else.
I'm
brought
to
the
I'll
just
bring
it
to
finance
and
have
them
declare
a
surplus.
If
that's,
okay,
that
the
no
the
the
sheet
of
paper
I
got
was
not
appropriate
to
bring
to
this
committee.
So
mr.
J
J
K
A
A
K
K
We
have
a
large
amount
of
dogs
that
are
that
we
are
holding,
as
you
may
recall,
during
kovid
people,
for
some
reason
were
able
to
spend
more
time
with
their
animals,
and
our
population
was
way
way
down
almost
to
zero,
and
now
we
are
virtually
full.
So
I
know
they're
dealing
with
with
some
of
those
things,
but
other
than
that
things
are
going
pretty
well
out.
There.
K
They
have
began
a
what's
called
a
discharge
plan,
implementation
for
inmates
leaving
our
facility,
and
what
that
discharge
plan
is
it's
it's
for,
basically,
a
continuity
of
care
or
a
continuation
of
care,
and
so
they
can
follow
up.
Now
we
can
provide
the
information,
we
can't
hold
their
hand
and
take
them
to
their
next
doctor's
appointment,
but
we
can
at
least
provide
them
with
information
that
they
may
need
to
make
themselves
better,
whether
it's
medically
mentally
whatever.
K
K
Well,
yeah
and
we're
talking
about
senate
bill
667
right,
and
that
was
our
argument
to
anybody
that
would
listen
and
and
as
I've
said
before,
there
are
people
on
one
side
who
don't
want
to
hear
anything
about
it,
but
that
was
that
was
what
we
said.
Is
these
individuals
are
going
to
be
housed
somewhere,
whether
that's
a
private
facility
in
another
state
illinois
does
not
allow
private
facilities
or
whether
that's
another
county
jail
in
another
state.
They
are
going
to
be
housed
somewhere.
K
K
K
P
You,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
those
remarks.
Those
are
the
questions
that
I
was
going
to
ask
the
sheriff,
but
sheriff
there's
a
lot
of
hoo-hoo
out
there
on
facebook,
and
there
was
one
remark
the
other
day
that
really
upset
me
and
I
wanted
to
respond
back,
but
I
knew
better.
My
fingers
can
fly
like
my
mouth,
but
they
said
that
the
people
that
are
housed
ice
at
our
county
jail
are
a
mistreated,
lie
no
exercise
outside.
P
K
K
In
indiana,
we
received
his
case
file
from
the
arresting
agency
in
indiana,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
had
our
ducks
in
a
row
and
basically,
this
individual
built
senior
citizens
out
of
about
two
hundred
thousand
in
walmart
credit
cards.
So
my
feeling
is
once
a
con
man,
always
a
con
man
right.
So
this
individual
has
gone
to
this
local
group
and
has
told
them
how
bad
it
is.
You
know
if
they
believe
him
there's
nothing.
I
can
say
because
they're
not
going
to
believe
me
so
but.
P
K
D
did
provide
information
to
our
local
legislators
because
they
requested
it
because
that's
always
the
that's
always.
The
argument
is
that
we're
housing
people
who
haven't
been
convicted
of
anything
of
the
24
at
the
time
when
I
submitted
that
information
to
our
legislators
of
the
24
detainees
that
we
had
in
custody,
22
of
them
had
what
I
would
consider
serious
felony
convictions.
K
Two
of
them
were
strictly
border
crossings,
but
remember-
and
this
is
what
people
forget
if
you
cross
our
border
and
you
get
deported
and
then
you
come
back
and
they
and
they
take
you
into
custody
again,
that
is
a
felony.
Now
there's
all
kinds
of
felonies
out
there.
Maybe
it's
not
as
serious
as
murder.
It's
not
a
serious
murder,
it's
a
felony,
so
our
argument
has
always
been.
You
know.
This
starts
in
washington
dc.
This
isn't
an
illinois
issue.
K
This
is
what
our
laws
are.
This
is
what
we're
following.
If,
if
I
was
breaking
the
law,
then
yeah,
somebody
should
call
me
out
and
say
you're
breaking
the
law,
we're
not
the
county's
not,
and
you
know
until
they
change
in
washington
d.c.
This
issue
is
going
to
be
out
there,
so
you
know,
don't
let
the
don't
let
the
comments
on
social
media
get
to
you.
G
So
I
know
it's
valid,
but
jesus
can
the
state
and
there's
a
question
that
was
posed
to
me:
can
the
state
actually
prohibit
a
county
from
contracting
with
homeland
security,
which
is
a
valid
constitutional
office
of
the
united
states?
Do
they
have
that
right
and
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
challenged
into
court,
because
I
believe
they
only
identified
three
individuals
that
basically
have
to
say
we
can
micromanage
and
tell
you
what
not
to
do.
K
A
Q
Morning,
everybody,
as
you
can
tell
by
looking
at
our
report
I'll
just
do
a
quick
highlight.
It's
been
a
long
meeting
calls
on
may
were
down
just
slightly
from
april.
However,
the
number
of
corners
cases
and
autopsies
were
up
significantly
so
16
autopsies
by
far
the
most
we've
done
this
year,
and
that
translates
down
into
the
bottom
pending
16
cases.
Q
Typically,
it
takes
three
to
four
weeks
or
so
for
us
to
complete
a
case.
The
lab
for
testing
is
behind
because
everybody's
been
busy,
so
that's
been
translating
into
five
or
six
week
weights
on
completing
cases
so
next
month,
I
would
expect
to
see
the
totals
under
the
different
manners
of
death
to
change
significantly,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
clear
out
those
16
pendings,
but
I
know
that
we've
added
nine
already
this
month
to
that.
So
it's
been,
as
mrs
peters
said,
it's
been
very
busy
with.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
motor
vehicle
accidents
is.
Q
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
just
like
to
compliment
the
coroner's
office.
First
of
all,
tragedy
happened
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
and
I
just
want
to
compliment
you
on
how
passionate
you
were
to
the
family
and
gave
them
an
amazing
treatment
to
ease
a
little
bit
of
the
pain,
and
I
know
that
you
did
that
for
them,
and
I
know
that
you
also
do
it
for
all
the
cases
that
you
handle
when
something
like
that
happens.
So,
thank
you
so
much
thank.
Q
Last
month,
you
asked
me
about
cremation,
so
I
went
back
and
looked
over
the
last
five
years
we've
averaged
698
cremations
per
year,
we're
at
432
this
year
in
2020,
the
national
funeral
directors
association
reported
the
cremation
percentage
nationwide
was
at
56
percent.
Last
year
we
were
at
59,
so
just
slightly
above
the
nationwide
average.
Q
Q
Some
of
them
are
needs
that
will
help
benefit
the
county
long
term
in
the
future,
not
a
case
management
system.
We
have
one
that
we've
been
using
for
the
entire
13
year.
Duration.
I've
been
there,
it's
been
cloud-based
for
the
past
10
years
now.
So
that's
something
on
our
list.
That's
already
been
taken
care
of,
but
I
know
there's
some
infrastructure
needs
and
a
few
other
projects
that
we
would
like
to
see,
for
example,
a
walk-in
freezer.
Q
I
would
say:
that's
probably
our
number
one
big-ticket
item
during
covid.
One
of
the
issues
we
had
was
storage.
The
hospitals
were
full.
Our
cooler
as
a
backup
to
the
hospitals
is
obviously
full
as
well.
We
were
keeping
bodies
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
we
have
a
two
person
freezer
right
now.
The
doors
on
that
unit
are
about
24,
inches
wide
and
24
inches
tall.
Well,
unfortunately,
not
everybody
fits
into
something
that
size,
so
that
becomes
a
little
challenging
for
us
as
well.