Kankakee County Board, IL Executive Committee Meetings, 27 Feb 2018

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Executive Committee Meeting 2/27/2018 9:00 AM

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Morning call the executive committee meeting Tuesday February 27th to order can I get a roll call. Please please.

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Washington mr. Lodge, as mr. Vickery mr. old ha mr., has mr. McConnell mr. Scott mr. tonight, mr. Bern mr. Cyr Oy ms Weber mr. leer mr. wheeler.

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You before we get to public comment, I just want two quick things that just came across my phone I got a call from the sheriff. The child has been found in al Tork, Oh, fine! Well, you know alive, obviously they're taking them taking the hospital check them out and also there is an app for any home owners that have any damage anything that was happening because of the flooding.

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If you go to the Sheriff's Department Facebook page, there's a app you can click on and fill out the form, so we ma can get that information to the proper people to get the process moving forward on the recovery effort. So I just want to mention those. So if there's any more information, people can call the Sheriff's Department, you know between normal hours or they can message them on their Facebook page and they'll. Get back to you so going on to public comment. I have core Austin.

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Everybody everybody hear me all right, I'm, a disc jockey, so I didn't want to be too loud. All right, I want to talk about the river I've been here before. The first thing, I want to say is jr. black I miss him. If I could even pick up the torch that he did I'd be doing something, he loves the river and fought for it and tried to get the sand out of the river till the day.

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He died and there's a couple things I want to share one is we did the river committee at the time that it was gone, I'm, gonna, use last name sometimes so anyway, Mike Van, Melle, co-chaired it with jr.. Black I did a lot of the stuff because I represented moments' okay, so the whole thing is. We came up with a plan to do a pilot project. We called it to take sand out of the river, so we had it all set up and the problem is.

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We had trouble getting money, so we had put the word out. We want money, we were trying to get corporations so one day the former chairman, not this chairman of the board, came to JR black and myself and said: if you will support back, then the public safety issue and promote it when, if it gets passed, I will give you the river round table 200,000, and that should do your project so Jer and both looked at each other, and we said we want it in writing.

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He said I'll get back to you. Never dead, so I've been carrying that around a long time and God rest junior black okay. So that was that plan. So next attempt was the former chairman Mike Van Melle, and your former state's attorney jamie-boy. They came to me and Trey and also came to. We had a couple backdoor meetings and then we went to they came to moments' and presented a plan as they wanted to make the KRC borer.

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In case you don't like kinky River Conservancy District wanted to make it County white, but there was a couple changes when I first heard it sounded great. We get $9,000 a year, the numbers that jamie-boy provided said. The county we get nine hundred thousand and it's like eyeballs, lit up like the fourth of July. So what happened then was it was going to go to nine members, but right now you have to live in a district. This would eliminate that I found that out later and then you would have nine members.

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So that means the county board would take control of the little control. We have in moments to me 900,000 to lose control and give it all to you guys, which some of you are great.

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That's not good. So you know what your former state's attorney messed up. The paperwork in a judge ruled that it could not be put on a ballot. That's why you never saw it. Okay, that's the truth. Okay, you see if I can get back to my okay, so we did that now. Also the only person that got money in a river arm table was taste and engineering.

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They got 26 grand, you know what we got to show for it, dead permits, dead paperwork and the only person that got my and when I got into it, with Mike, Van, Melle and Howell. Who was the soil guy trying to tell me we need to do something with the rock ledge. That's in state line. I said you know, you guys are government officials, but guess what I'm the expert you're not I, don't have a PhD anybody in the right mind it lives. The moments' knows you're only seven miles off the rock ledges and moments'.

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So that's what I'm getting to you is I do have a point here. You appoint people that do drainage, get people that know what they're doing the reason Indiana had a blowout is because they got idiots older. They made the levees out of sand and the other thing is they got farmers on there and what they did is all they want to do. I went undercover last week to a restaurant and act like I'm. Just nobody. What happened was they're saying we got to get more.

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We got to get Illinois to get the sand out of the river. We got to get it out here, so we can make the water go faster drain. It see they missing, it they're missing it. So they had one idiot over there still in office, cut the trees down and the roots I've got pictures up and it you would not believe what the erosion is, and you all made tons of sin. We got one part at gardening, it's totally blocked off, and this is a serious thing. We're just gonna get worse.

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We got to do something now: I've been promoting a sand collection system at state line. The Army Corps Engineers loves it, but we need money and I know you don't have it god I wish you did, but and I tell you what the other issue is. The refuge, US Fish and Game got four point: five million dollars two weeks ago.

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Kankakee refuge would love to get their hands on that money and buy up moments and make us end of bird town USA instead of moments'. You can do something about that. We may have another fight on her hands, but the whole thing if you can keep control of making sure good people are in a drainage districts and we got Jeff and Rowan and I love the man. He owns a lot of land that saved moment' so far, God God blessing.

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He really is a true conservationist. We don't need to have another government coming in and telling us what to do because we know how to do it and that, basically, that's all I'm I'm not here to beat up anybody, but we've got to do something I, it's just like. If you take the river, you know, and you keep adding sin see what's happened, is the level of the river is just coming up, so it's only got one choice spread out and I'll.

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Tell you what the only reason that moments' got saved a lot of people were praying, but besides, that is that they had all in blowouts and just to go to show you up by and the Yellow River. It should have never been tied into kinky. What happened was DNR opened a floodgate up had a big surge.

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That's why it blew out the levees and here in Indiana, and you know what that saved us- we're at 5.6, tents, right now, half a foot, more wear out of flood stage and moments', but it's only because Indiana looks like a lake. So anyway, god bless you. Hopefully you can help us and help the river, because it needs really help and junior black but stand right there and say: there's no storage in the river for water.

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If there was, you know what we wouldn't be fluttered anymore and just go down there and look at the dam here in town looks like Colorado Rapids except extreme like so anyway. Thank you for letting me speak and we just got to do something. That's all or I could say.

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Thank you, mr. Ralston, thanks for all you do, I will I will let the board know that and, and Dell may know, this I was I got a vast majority of the signatures for that that referendum petition I went to all the boat clubs. It was about extending the the good service ii district. All along the river one misconception was, is that it was all going to be the board. Actually, the municipalities, we're gonna have to be part of that board as well, because they would have fallen in the district.

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They would have created a taxing district. What the thought was is to raise that $900,000, so we could continually pull the sand out of the river. That was the whole premise behind it was. Is there needed to be a funding source and the Army Corps of Engineers told us you're on your own, and this was us being on our own. I am NOT going to say that that I don't think it's double negative. Sorry, maybe I'll say that it's time that we should revisit such a thought.

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Maybe the people of this community might actually like to take a look at handle on our own problem, because no one else is coming to help us so I'll just throw that out there as something to think about it's a timely thought.

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It usually comes up on bad situations or happening out there, and people then forget about it and I think the last time that we did think about it and it was brought it was it got thrown out because it wasn't submitted in the right time frame to the we couldn't put it on the ballot. That's exactly what happened so we had enough signatures. They were good signatures, but it was brought to the judges to certify it too late.

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So I was one of the guys that had a big pile of egg on his face on that one. So just to fill you in on some of the history they're moving on presentations, none approval in the minutes, January 23rd 2018 can I get a motion. Mr. Bern second, mr. Washington, all those in favor those opposed Steve Lear's at UCC I. So we don't really have any legislative right now. He'll be bringing something back for next month. There is some things going on down there. That I thought I would mention.

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Interest is interestingly, I'm not saying that the that we're gonna be able to jump on this one, but McHenry County has something with their legislature about abolishing all townships within McHenry County they're, doing as a specific initiative for McHenry this whole movement on consolidating governmental units that are somewhat unnecessary governmental. You know countywide offices that are unnecessary. That's kind of going on around the state right now so I just want to mention that that's happening I, don't know where it's gonna go, but I did see it on the radar. So mr. Bern I.

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Just be interested to see if our local County, you don't want to force anything on anybody, but if they see it as redundant, maybe it should be up to them to do it as a countywide thing: I, don't I'm, just throwing it out there I'm noticing it's interesting, because, as the state pushes more that they're not gonna pay for Honda bus, we can afford to do less and less of what we used to and it creates financial havoc for us. So is it time to take a look at consolidation?

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You know, so that's just a thought: I'm not taking a stand either way, but it's on my watch. I. Don't have any appointments right now, information services! Kevin! Do you have anything.

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A manager call you got something.

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Now we're open I'm just kidding.

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I know your agenda is pretty full today. Keep you abreast of the refreshing. The computer refreshing project that I've discussed I'm, going back into the late last year. Give you an update. I've met with the assessor's office. That's the department in this building I plan on going next, we've worked out a plan of how to move forward we're going I'm going to provide the computers for a refreshing, his computers, where human beings are, he has desktops for human beings in it that are at the third workstation.

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Then he has counter machines I'm, going to provide new refurbished machines, so they're still used but they're a third of the price of a brand new one is for them. It should be a doubling and processing power and memory, so they should perform much better and they'll meet the guidelines that I need to by 2020. That's why I'm, starting so early so I can stay within our existing budget and try not to come back for anything.

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The machines that are counter machines, we're going to take one at a time, rebuild them in-house and put them back up since they're not used eight hours. A day, there's no sense to put the money out on that unless they're failing on theirs, but they will be upgraded to the point we need to the agreement is I'll, provide the desktop so that any new desktops or newer desktops for his department and his expense will be from Deb net.

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When, when I update the software for Deb net, there's only a portion that we can do it's, unlike the other vendors throughout the county, their imaging software, they only they will not allow anyone else to do that. So what over the years has happening, I've set up a secure, remote VPN that they can come in. We designate two computers, give them only access to those computers, and so you don't have to pay in a seven dollars an hour for them to come down in here they can just come and remotely do that.

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They'll install that imaging software. We do the rest and we do gradually replace that Eric will be responsible for any cost associated with that. I can't tell them if there's any cost related to that. We've done it in the past, but I just don't know. If the Assessor was ever billed or not, if it is, it should be a nominal amount, they should be able to do it in one sitting. They would be maybe doing 12 computers at that, so it shouldn't be dramatic.

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My already had the computers to refresh his, so it's not gonna cost me anything additional, so hope. I hope in the next couple months to have his department completed. I've begun discussions with Dan in a County, Clerk I hope to move on to him next, but I want to be I, want to make sure that I don't interrupt the election process at all.

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So we might, if need be out, put him off in 2019 plus he has to come up with some of the funds in there, but I'm systematically going one department at a time and trying to stay within the budget to move forward so and by 2020 were at that point, so basically giving you an update where I'm progressing, where we're sitting at that and yes, it still looks like I shouldn't- have to come back to you to request any more funds.

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In addition to that, sandy has given me the okay that they believe that they're ready to move forward on doing the circuit, clerk's office and I'm waiting for a reply for the judge to start to the judges. Since we only have two people I need to really stretch these out. I can't do them all at once. They will pay for their computers, theirs will be brand-new, but they have their own funding. Source I've talked to it. I believe I told you. I've talked to Andy and I've talked to the finance director and the judges.

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Those funds have been reserved, we're not borrowing off of them, so there should be no restriction. I just need them to say they're. Okay to do it will move forward to that. So, basically, that's update where we're going we're moving forward. I'm doing what I told you that we would do if you have any questions.

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Like I do just popped in my head, I meant to ask you first, can you all see those monitors very well?

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Okay, I just want to make sure cuz I was thinking about I wanted to talk to chairman first potentially thinking if we needed to put something here, but I don't want to do it. If you can see.

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You wear a head. What you could do, though, is you could do through interpretive dance. You could sustain over in the society yeah.

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I'm, all over there.

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All right painted a picture I just really didn't can't get out of my head now.

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So moving on um Health Department, Jon, Beavis, I.

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Appreciate that laughs just a second ago, it's good to have a little humor, sometimes in some of these stressful times.

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So the only thing I wanted to bring up today was just an update in regards to the flooding issues and what we're doing at the Health Department what we can do with they're still being flooding conditions that exist, one of the main things that we would be involved with that we were, you know, getting an education out two years ago, two and a half years ago, when we had that flood in July, and that was a little bit of a different animal and I think it affected some different areas, especially in the city of Kankakee residents.

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But if there are wells that are impacted at all by any of the rising waters, so either the water is up to the well casing or is covering the casing. Then, at this point, there's really not much. The individual can do till the water recedes and that's what a lot is. You know people can't get into their homes until the water recedes to be able to assess the damage. You know throwing out any of the furniture tearing out the drywall, and things like that.

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So we are beginning to put what we have put on our webpage. Our facebook providing education and we've actually had a few individuals coming in already, maybe where the water has receded enough.

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The education is that you have to assume that your water is contaminated at this point with the bacteria, so we recommend it be disinfected. First, we have the education for that that we can provide that's also on our website once the well is disinfected properly, and that can be done either. You know by the homeowner or you can hire a contractor to do it, and we have a list of contractors on our site.

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Then you would have the water, sampled and we've ordered extra kits, and we will provide that those kits at no cost the responsibility of collecting the sample is going to be on. You know the homeowner. It isn't a service that we can do or provide.

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Two years ago we did approximately I think an additional above average sampling of about a hundred and fifty in relation to samples in relation to that flood. So we'll see what we're going to keep track of the numbers. I know.

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We've already had two to three individuals coming in and pick up some kits now and I expect as the water goes down and and then the information that we put out starts getting shared and more people hear about it, we'll probably get some more and then we've also got some links to mold issues and in regards to what you know, people would experience, then, with the the water and the wet that they've got inside and and you know what would need to be destroyed again, we don't do mold, we don't do testing or anything like that, but we have links that we can provide them to where they can get information on.

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If you start to experience mold or hiring the contractors who are reputable to come in and and assess that with their their equipment, to then indicate to you what you would need to do to correct that and regard I know, I've experienced flooding in my basement and and had hired serpro to come out, and you know they they did a good job and those companies do a good job in relation to making sure that they corrected the situation so that it prevents you know future issues so other than that.

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That's all I wanted to really report in case. If any of you are out and about or you have any of your constituents talking to you about, you know sometimes the well water might be the last thing they're thinking about their impact. You know their their money to get back into their home. They have to see what was destroyed. What what do they still have? What can they save and then they, you know we'll, remember the water or, if you're, experiencing cloudy water.

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So sometimes you might not have actually been impacted by the floodwaters, but with the water table raising in that area it can muddy up the aquifer, and then that can that can stir up the contaminants and the bacteria underneath and then you can begin to experience some contamination issues, they're, not realizing that that's the case and so again in those situations.

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If anyone comes in and feels that they're impacted whether the water was over their well casing or not if they deem it to be a flood related issue, we'll write it down that way and not charge them. Mr.

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Washington, what's the situation with the fluid spreading or under control? What's going on I.

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Missed the first part, there was a truck right here, you're switching gears on me here we're going from flood to flu right. Okay, the current status of the flu is I. Think it's still an ongoing season.

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We still are recommending for individuals to get their flu shots. I know we have some individuals within our CD section, the communicable disease section who I I think are you know monitoring absenteeism, zat schools, it seems to be may be improving slightly in regards to the number I know of individuals that I'm observing out and about who are sick, but it was a nasty flu strain this year and the flu shot was about 36 percent. They estimate for its being a effectiveness. Yes, thank you. Thank.

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Have to I have a question: if anybody wants their walls tested within the county, they can get those kids from your office. Can they not correct.

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We don't discriminate against any particular individual or specific community within the county, about testing walls. We don't go out and just test wells for free. We do have that availability to make those kids available. Is that correct, correct.

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Right I just wanted to spell some frankly silly comments out there about what this board does and the Health Department does and what we don't do so want that to be clear. If anybody needs their Wells tests, we have those kids available at the Health Department so and.

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And there are on some small occasions, depending on a circumstance. We have gone out into two areas. You know over thirty years and maybe collected some samples within a block or within a subdivision in relation to the investigation of a of a particular pattern of an illness or contamination trying to determine any any particular reason why that contamination might be occurring, but that's typically directed by the state in relation to an investigatory condition in order to do that. So as as mr.

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wheeler just said, typically, then you know we have kits available people contact us up and they can come in and pick up those kits. We give them the instruction, the mailing labels and everything. So it's pretty it's pretty easy to.

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Do you take the sample you send it we'll get the results back, we'll interpret them for you and we'll contact you with the letter and say well if it's contaminated we'll, let you know right away, and you know instead of sending it in the mail and you drink the contaminated water, maybe for two or three more days, we'll contact you and say you need to see disinfect and resample or we'll just send you the letter, then, with the results indicating that everything's fine in relation to what we sample for now.

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Obviously, there's a myriad of things that you can sample for that we don't typically provide the lab, won't sample, that's something that's more expensive and you would have to let's say for MTBE or sighs herbicides. You'd have to contact a laboratory, get a special kit on your own and pay that fee to pay for that. But we typically check for bacteria nitrates for these sampling for the flood issue. It's going to be for bacteria. Only the state now charges us for the nitrates. That's not so much the issue.

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The bacterial contamination is really what we're concerned about here. If you want nitrates tested also, then that will have to come out of the homeowners.

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Reportable findings, if the state tests or somebody tests- or they have to publish those findings that you know these, these either pesticides or nitrates, have been found in wells. I don't mean to put you.

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On this within I I, don't for private wells I, don't believe that they are necessarily a reportable thing. I know that if you are on a community well, there are a number of contaminants. A list out that aqua, for example, has two yearly submit testing results and send letters in to everyone who's on their supply, showing that this was sampled. Here's these results and whether they meet guidelines above or below, are.

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You aware of just either whether it's anecdotal or any specific information of any Wells showing up with pesticides, herbicides. Nitrates. Have you heard of historically.

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For the pesticides and herbicides, not so much I know that, with in Kankakee over historically since I started working in 1987- and that's just me- working here- I know that there are pockets of high nitrate contamination levels.

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Ten parts per million is considered anything over ten parts per million would be considered an issue specifically for infants under six months of age that can cause the blue baby syndrome, DeMatha, mow, globe, anemia and, and so individuals who are on well water, who are either are pregnant or have infants or a daycare where they would have infants under six months of an age. That's an issue, that's a concern that we would want to get that education out there.

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People can drink higher levels, 10 11, 12, 15 and we're not impacted by it, because our bodies have have grown in and can adjust to that. It's the infants who haven't developed. Yet that's why it's it's a concern to them so because the the coliform bacteria is a good indicator. If you have coliform bacteria in your water, you can go out to any puddle out here in the street after a rain collect a sample and it's going to have bacteria in it.

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Bacteria is everywhere, but if the lab finds the bacteria in a well water samples- and they will test it further for fecal bacteria, because then that's an indication you're getting either sewage or somebody septic system, or maybe an animal lot or something like that- that's getting into your water supply, and that is something that's going to cause you to be more sick, sicker and so they'll. Look at that. So if the bacteria is present, all these, whoever gets their well water sampled.

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If bacteria is present, they'll check for fecal and then obviously and and we may have a few of those because of the river flooding you've got, you know a lot of septic systems along the river that we're going to be impacted and you're going to get stuff that was floating down the river. Now it's fast and furious as it was going, you know, there's a saying that says solution. Dilution is the solution to pollution, so the higher the river is the better.

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It is, as the river starts to go down, and then you get the areas where the waters kind of stayin, stagnant and and in a certain area, then you can get higher levels of say, the the fecal bacteria and that's what we'll need to find out or was it the homeowners specific septic system that needs to be addressed in relation to that nitrates is another indicator organism.

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If somebody does have high nitrates, then the next step would be then to determine what's causing that such as the pesticides, the herbicides and other things, because that can farming and agricultural areas can be prone to higher nitrate levels, but those those pockets are few in the county and in relation to some of the other. You know that are out there historically, not in that that area per se.

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In that that's information, those pockets are that's information, that's available. Is it's a you know it's been identified or is it I'm just curious? Is there like a map or is era I know.

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That, historically, when the county got the GIS system, we've been trying to update like quarter quarter, quarter numbers on there in relation to our water samples, I I'm, not sure. If, specifically, that's something that has been mapped out or or if we would even be able to go back and check.

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It's mostly fringe agricultural areas. Where you, you may see a higher nitrate level and.

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Again, that's the owners of these properties that have requested that testing, correct.

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Not us just going out and we don't randomly test all over. That's not one of the responsibilities of the.

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Of it, so I just want to make sure mr. Washington, on the.

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One back in time on the mtbe's: when we had this villager shell, wasn't the law of the world testing charged to shell rather than charge to the individual homeowners, correct.

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And in that case, because of the spill and the lawsuits and/or before the lawsuits, but as their responsibility, then they they were searching for the plume. You know where, where did it go? Where was it going and in relation to that then any water sampling that was done and I will say within reason they covered that cost.

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I mean if somebody from you know, Grant Park, for example, called up and said: I want my water samples for MTBE in relation to something that was in limestone I, don't believe that that got covered, but anyone within a radius of that spill, site and I think my understanding is, there's there's still activity, that's going on out there and probably will be beyond my grandkids.

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Anything else for mr. Bevis mr. house hold on just a minute all.

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Right, Thank, You, chairman John, you want to touch base for your May forum and all of that.

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I, don't have any new information, I believe it's May, 8th at KCC. You know um I'm, sorry, the last one was the KCC. Thank you. It's gonna be at Olivet. We are bringing back Tim Ryan, but this time it's it's less of him and more of his partner. He has a retired policeman who I his name escapes me at this point. I was not prepared for that. Sorry, that's okay! I know that we're finalizing the details of the specifics and then we're going to be getting the publicity out in relation for advertising, but the policeman.

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His focus is more on educating the parents on what their kids are experiencing and can do on their cell phones and in relation to a drug trafficking and drug purchasing, some of the sites that that parents can get information from cell phones, officer, cell phones or family members cell phones. Apparently it's a very eye-opening educational world that I just you know as I'm getting more into this with the opioid epidemic and then on that deep dark side of it in terms of the D addicts and how they get it.

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It's it's just right there in front of a lot of people, and we don't know it.

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You, sir, all right thanks.

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Moving on I have nothing from schools this month, I, don't think I have a report va see you see the monthly report in the packet just motion to approve so the first sheet mr. burns. Second, mr. Tripp, all those in favor those opposed just as an update there, I've spoken with their new superintendent, Dana Greely.

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He was under some misconception, so I'll clarify with the board. Also we do not appoint anybody to their board the he was thinking that that was the case. We don't I worked with their board to help them determine their funding levels and what we need to set as far as the levy goes, we're not intimately involved in any operations at the board over there so in, and he was a little bit confused on that as well.

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We did discuss a situation where there new bus had I believe it's arrived, but they didn't account for the new insurance costs in their budget, so we're working to solve that problem this year, because we've already levy that amount to give them their budget. So I, don't see is an issue because they still have a reserve this year. But I may come back to finance and say we need to bump it up a hair or their other bus may be taken out of service, and then the insurance will go back down.

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So that's what I think is probably going to be the solution. I just want to. Let you know that we are communicating we're working through some of these things. They have a job application that we use for the first time for the new hire that did not have the county on it because it is their hire. It is not the county's I think we talked about that, but we're trying to clean it up a little bit as we go through this. So personnel HR issues. Don't have anything right now.

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We'll talk a little bit about some things at the end of the meeting now under resignation, appointments and reappointments are any of those on there that we want to pull off and discuss separately. I thought there might be, because you know, with a resignation at the airport board, I thought. Maybe somebody might want to discuss mister.

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Dress so Bob's name on here. He served on this for many years at least 40 years, yeah and I just thought. Maybe would it be appropriate for us to send a letter of appreciation.

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It's very incorporated: yeah I was gonna. Ask that if we want to do something, I want.

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Invite him here and do a you know like a certificate of recognition or a proclamation, because it's probably more than 40 years, he was on that effort. I mean really. He served it well.

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Okay, see I, stand corrected, yeah, but yeah 32 years as chairman, so he's seen it grow up basically out there. So we'll we'll take a look at that and I tell you. What would you like to make a motion to to honor a little.

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Ad in a future.

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Board meeting later.

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Lays one or the second is.

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There a second mr. Washington, all those in favor of doing a proclamation, honoring Bob ladies service, say aye aye. Those opposed all right move that port. If we can get it together for this one I want him to be here. So I want to check with with him and see what his schedule allows. So accordingly, the the reappointment. If anyone wants to discuss that now, because we are going to have a motion to combine and approve I, want to make sure that everybody's understands.

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Within yes, yes, I have his application he's within the district and and just to just to make it about Baltimore. Mr. lang, Louis resigned before, because he received some advice from the lawyer from the airport board that it was okay, that he'd been on the roof, because it is a specialty thing turns out that it they didn't. Do things the right way based on that advice, so he stepped down now that the opening is there for mr. glady resigning I want to reappoint him because he is a pilot. He lives within the district.

A

He has the experience and it really wasn't his fault that this all this happened. He got that advice and so I just wanted. That's why I'm, bringing it back and I didn't know if anybody had any questions about that, because I, don't think I even think the people that were up in arms about to know that he got that advice and, and so that situation has changed and that's my opinion again, I'm not to disparage the advice for the individual. That was providing that advice.

A

Okay, so I guess at this point, I need a motion to combine and approve mr. Hess. Second, mr. Vickery puts a voice vote. All those in favor I think those opposed you know. I was just saying: I got to read them into the record: yeah the resignation of Robert lady from the keiki Valley Airport Authority appointment of Jay Bruce Clark.

A

You guys know who that guy is to the keiki County public building, commission appointment of nine Epstein to the Kankakee County public public building, Commission appointment of Bill back to its to the Board of Examiners and appeals.

A

Renne do laying waste to the kanka Valley Airport Authority, reappointment of Peter vial to the Kankakee County farmland assessment review committee, reappointment of microburst wha to the Kankakee County farmland assessment review committee, re appointment of William Warburton to the Board of Examiners and appeals, see what's on the back here. Oh that's just openings. So we had the motion. I, don't think I need to revote on that I just run it into the record. I think we're okay, because the full board still has to approve it. So, let's see here so announcing openings.

A

One opening on the Kankakee County Regional Planning Commission, one opening on the border Board of Examiners and appeals, one opening on the Geoghan, a strange district, one opening on the manteno drainage district number, three one, opening on the Manteo number, nine drainage district, all right. Moving on under other business, we had talked Brian gay boy had announced his retirement I've been conversations with the sheriff, and what we're going to do is is this job description. Description is the one that currently exists, so we're gonna post this job I want to bring it back to executive.

A

Let everybody know that this is what we're doing. We are going to work together, the sheriff and I on interviewing candidates. Brian will be part of this as well. So we want to make sure that everybody knows who we're hiring. It has a chance to ask any questions and all of that kind of stuff, as we go through this process, so probably want to take the next month to to do this, and then you know we'll vet. The candidates start interviewing people. We want to give them a couple of months working under Brian.

A

We just don't want to have him come in here, two weeks before he takes off so obviously the way this works is is that it's a report of the County Board, but in those buildings that the sheriff is in custody of those report, those employees answer to the sheriff's direction. So we want to be clear that obviously this the maintenance director reports to the board, but the in those buildings he has to answer to the directive of the sheriff. So that's why we have we're working together on this. It's a good thing we just wanted.

A

It was a little bit backwards before for various reasons and we're kind of that now as we go forward, so you have that Job Description there in front of you, so I just want to make sure you guys knew what was going on and when you see the job postings, these are replacements and not new hires. So the second one is there any questions by the way mr. Sikes I use.

L

Some it's somewhat confusing when you're saying he reports to, but yet he, but it's only when those buildings. But if he's how sad of that the new doesn't report to its.

A

L

Me and the board yeah, so he has a dual supervisor well,.

A

He'll, he only really has one but he's under. He follows the direction of the sheriff with in those buildings at the sheriff has custody of. So if the sheriff says that we have to have this type of maintenance program project whatever within those buildings, obviously the Appropriations come from the board, but as far as the health and welfare and safety of people within those buildings that is under the sheriff's purview and he has total control of I, you know I, don't have enough custodians or I.

A

Don't have this that and the other I mean he he's able to do that. Obviously, he's gonna work with us because he knows we don't have a whole lot of nickels to rub together, but he has to take that direction from the sheriff in those buildings that the sheriff has custody up. I know it's a little bit confusing, but the sheriff technically could have his own maintenance director now finances dictate that we can't really afford that, and it's best that we work together. I mean that's kind of what it what it is.

A

We we have one professional and they defer. We defer by statute. Those that direction within those facilities I know it's strange, but that's the way that it's been set up by them. They just.

L

Want to make sure it's brain, as you I feel, with the public and I'm I'm sure they'd be scratching here. What are we doing, even though it's been somewhat past practice? The hiring and firing of an individual rests solely with the board with the board, but when you are in certain buildings of Weber, then what he's saying is that he kind of have been Sheriff as the supervisor in that capacity authorized. That area that deals with Corrections or sheriff's a courthouse.

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L

A

Yeah, so technically, if you were thinking about, even though I probably would get the call as well, if something's not right with the courthouse, I would say imagine the chief judge would call the sheriff and say: hey. You know the floors, not clean or salt everywhere, whatever you know and I'm, that's not the case, but I'm just saying room, because that would be the person to help rectify that situation, because he is the direct report in those buildings mm-hmm. It's a very strange way.

A

It's been set up, but I understand why they did it in that manner when they set it up under the statutes. It just makes us. You know it's a good thing and it forces us to work together. No.

L

A

Nate so all.

L

Right so anyway, I just want to.

A

Explain that turn this off here number three right now. Moving on to the job description for the county administrator I've mentioned this before this I just want to start off with this isn't the final Job Description. This is just all the duties that fall under an administrator that I have gathered from other counties that that do this, which is we had mentioned before. It's everybody, even a few smaller than us in Illinois and everybody larger than us have administrators, with varying degrees of responsibilities.

A

We had talked about this when the opportunity arose to fill an HR Director position. This position back fills the HR director plus acts as the risk mitigator for all the other departments. Okay, so it's where all the other administration department should I say we're talking about. You know like buildings and grounds and, and you know, planning and assessments IT. This is kind of like the the head of the department heads that works for us in the board.

A

You know me in the board, so it is a better than budget neutral solution for the amount of money that this position will be demanding. We're going to be actually money ahead in the end as far as the general fund goes and it's something that I've and I talk to other board members with it's a legacy that I think I can leave behind after I'm gone is, is that there is a a position that goes from board to board, to board and Chairman to chairman and chairman.

A

That is a true professional that knows: administration of county government they're able to know about planning and help out and assist in that area and with IT, because they've been with those different things, HR all the different departments that are there, Chairman's may change, and they will boards may change and they will. But we need to start in my opinion and that's why I'm we're going to you all I want to said. I've always wanted to set it up that we have this, like other counties, do and then down the road.

A

The the Chairman's position becomes a much lower paid position and I see that, as a sooner than later thing, it's not going to be six eight ten years I'm talking. We want to talk start to talk about that now. Can we start to reduce the Chairman's pay along with us, as we go through this so because, right now, I am put in the forty five hours. I see that doing it for the next few years, but I ain't got that in me forever and I.

A

Don't think anybody would have that in them to have be working 90-hour weeks for the rest of their lives. So mr. Burton I guess questions first, Thank.

E

You, mr. chairman, a bunch of questions, a comment just thank you for bringing this forward. This is something that I've been in those conversations over the last few years about a roll heavy enroll, like this in county government, think it's a step in the right direction, bringing that true professional I'm, a political person that come in and the date of the operation. So this is a great step moving forward thanks, it's.

A

It's different: we haven't done that here and we've talked about it in certain different circles: privately one-on-one in these boardrooms. It's it's not a heavy-handed, we're going to tell the department heads what to do, but it's more of a risk manager and a policy. We develop the policy. How do we implement that through all the departments after I'm gone? You know- and this is kind of what I'm thinking while I'm here and then we transitioned after I'm gone. How do we have that consistency from three-year plan to five-year plan to 10-year plan?

A

If we're all moving on, you know we're we won't be here forever, except for mr. Treves long after we're gone, but but the way I look at it is is that this is a professional step forward. So that's all I'm kind of mention into the board and mr. Siraj I guess Thank.

M

You, mr. chairman, with this position direction come directly from the County Board Chairman. Yes, okay,.

A

And now vu also.

M

Right through the county board, but you would be over the oversight of of the administrator or the county board chairman exactly would be the oversight of me all right now. Here's here's something that I could see a problem and that's why I wanted just to discuss it. Is this gonna be a contracted position for this person cuz? What if the Board Chairman changes and this person and that person don't get along well? How do we ensure that we keep continuity at that position and it just doesn't flop with every board chairman.

M

You understand what I'm saying.

A

Oh I do understand what you're saying and how do I put this. If I were coming into this position in December first and there was an administrator and I thought, they were doing. A great job I would want to keep them if I didn't think they were doing a good job. I would want to replace them and that kind of comes with the territory.

A

Those people in those positions know that you say they're, not political hires, but they have to have a skill set, but in a way you kind of go with what the way the board goes, and you see that when other people take over, they bring their own people in law.

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A

And so I don't know a way to get away from that. um Typically, you know like with the assessor's office and things they're statutorily, I, believe they're appointed for certain periods of time and other offices, and then you have to reappoint them in this case. It's not the same thing so I wouldn't want to tie the hands. If you will of somebody that were to want to do something going forward. It's kind of the way I'm thinking a contract for better or worse you're, married yeah.

M

I, don't yeah and that's I'm, not in favor of a contract but I'm just trying to figure out a way that somebody couldn't just say, win an election and clean house and then ruin everything that we built up to that point right. You know and that's that's my thoughts in the back. My worst case scenario, type thing.

A

Technically, I could do that right now, I tried I'm, not trying to something may disagree, but the determined could do that right now, with all nine appointed positions too so yeah we gotta talk I.

M

Just I just wanna make sure that we're when we're hiring a position with this magnitude that we have some kind of idea when it could stop or or how it gets fired.

A

It's proud, I would say: probably it's every two years is then the chairman's reelected or not, and it's every two years.

A

The one thing I will say is: is I will reach out to a few people to say: can you be part of an interview committee when this happens, because just I don't want to sit in this on my own and a couple of people so I will reach out to some folks and say: can you be part of an interview committee and it may involve some of the department heads I actually come from a friend with a framework of bless you Dennis? These are caught that sneezer o'clock a little.

A

Both livable bless regardless um the where people who are going to have a boss, they actually interview their boss as part of the process. We do not do that in the private world and I. Think I want to do that here. So I'd, like the people that come in to know that you know if this this is the person that could potentially lead their department and all the departments, and so they have a chance to ask all those questions. So this isn't a vacuum.

A

This isn't us putting our thumb on anybody is to try to get more with less and to get a professional in here to make us better. So do you have anything mr. Sikes.

L

This is almost like a superintendent or CEO.

L

A

Like a chief operations officer, I.

L

See so with that and just for using the document, it appears that or what I will be interested in is what would be the cost to the county and I guess we will say his base or Commission based upon one's experience, but there should be a salary range so that we will know exactly what we are getting into and then giving the.

L

Salt, our qualifications and the responsibilities it doesn't look like this is going to be a job, but nowhere that one will consider under a hundred thousand or better. It won't be no fifty thousand one be. It will be somewhere if they're talking about dealing with being as almost like being a lobby as well, because they got to be with the state and own a house as well as dealing with budget.

A

In the absence of the Chairman, all.

L

Right and then on the whole nine yards we didn't say in the afternoon we just citizens, they gotta, be so they'd, probably be there with you or whatever or outside of you at your pleasure. But the thing is is um in addition to the cost. I know it doesn't say in here, but do this person have to live in Kankakee, County I know our heads would wanna probably say yes, if we're paying that kind of money, but for the purpose of.

L

Information to the kind of meet other people, we're saying that they don't have to live in the county if they are a good candidate, the problem is, is they're, gonna, say if they don't live in the county, we're paying on that kind of money. How is it that they will know about our county, or you know if you're not reinvesting your dollars in where you live? What's the purpose of having and why not?

L

Stick with the chairman I'm, just throwing some what I consider to be dealt with advocates you're on the side, because again, you're gonna have to pay out some dollars. I, don't I mean for this type of individual and.

A

I know this cost analysis, so you know and the numbers are far lower than that far lower than 100,000. Yes, poor. The counties are sighs.

L

A

What I'm actually done the work? Well.

L

My thing is: when I'm, comparing, like the housing authority cases the size, some of the other individuals when you look at this budget or whatever, and you have to budget but you're looking at what's in here, will an individual take it under that amount. That's where the negotiations are going to come in, even though it might say that you rank at that lower actually to get an individual basically of what you're requesting here, this caliber I, don't I, can't foresee them coming under on a thousand yeah.

A

I, don't want to negotiate against myself, so I'll reserve that judge.

J

Yeah, thank you wonder what the the main reasons for this I had a summer, her obvious, but others that it's operated pretty well over the many years that I've been on it the president system and is this to accommodate somebody working two jobs. No.

A

No, this, as I said it is to we've only had a full-time chairman, I believe since 1990, when I'm looking at the board back there, one two three, maybe the last four well.

J

Most of them are men a lot of time here.

A

Oh yeah yeah, but as far as I'm talking about the the financial commitment towards the full.

J

Time, chairman.

A

I'm not closed on the idea. No it's! What I want to do is I want to get some continuity and I want a professional in there, because somebody after me may have skill sets that I don't have like I freely admit that I don't have what I need to have in zoning and planning and I'm trying to learn that as I go and the next person may have a lot of stuff in planning and zoning, but they don't have any idea about finance, and so they need to have. There needs to be a skill set.

A

That is broad that adds to what we have, because we have to work with less people. I have ten people in administration, anymore, I.

J

Think the main thing would be a administration I mean you got the the pros in various areas. Absolutely you know, we've got prose and finance we've got prose and complaining right, so this person need to be maybe a general understanding of all this, but I think the main thing would be administrator. That is.

A

Kind of where I'm going with this, the the the planning department needs someone to help them to be able to do the things that they need to do because they have less people. We have a very strong finance department. We just don't have enough people in that finance department and so the same thing with assessments and everything else that are. We have two people in IT. It would be nice to know that we have a resource to be able to assist IT and help set that we have.

A

We have leaders in all these other departments, I'm, not saying we're short there. We just don't have anybody to actually help implement that policy from our end between between me and the department, heads and then have that continuity, because I'm sure some of these department heads are gonna retire at some point you know, so we want to be able to I need to establish that as we go forward, because I know how it was when I got here in December.

A

First, it was, there was absolutely hardly anything that was able to be conveyed from previous to now. We had to learn as we go and it took us a while to get up and running now. That was hard. First thing was finding it's. Obviously we had, because that was the major thing that was jumping down our neck, but as far as all the other departments, it took a lot of time for me to work with those administration departments. The administrator is someone who is going to be here full-time as a risk management.

A

A lot of our department heads are doers they're out there gutting computers and putting things together and are out there doing these things so we're if these are someone to put their thumb on our department heads this is to make us all better. That's the way I'm looking at this, because we don't have a problem with good people. We have a problem with enough people and then the overall operational efficiency of the government of our governmental units.

A

So, if I can do it to where it's a budget type neutral or a little bit better situation as far as the general fund is going, then yes, I would that's why I'm here telling you guys were word, that's we're put it out there now I'm, not gonna, make that choice in the vacuum. I would like to bring that to a group of people to say yeah. This is a good choice.

A

Now again, these the job description, that's an amalgamation of a bunch of different ones. Some of these things will be. You know compacted in the full one that we published, but I just wanted to. Let everybody know that this is kind of what I'm thinking and where we're going. You know we're not on a hiring binge. We don't have the money to do that if I'm gonna replace an HR director I'd, rather do it with somebody who can provide value in all departments and.

D

Actually has specific experience in all those yeah.

A

And I could do that so alright and buy into your to mr. Stein's question if there, if there was somebody that was a county administrator in Kankakee, County I'd want them to apply, but there isn't one. So maybe there's one that lives here that used to be, then they can apply as well.

L

A legal background because they're dealing with a lot of proposals, they're dealing with a lot of I, mean all our sat. Athenians like policies, proposal review, analyzing the whole nine yards, so they have to have a budgetary, but they also have to have a. They have thing: I've eaten legal, some legal background into their into their own qualifications or.

A

Know enough to be able to interface with the people who have the degrees and legal things to be able to get the answers they want. I, don't have a legal back, a legal degree at JD, but I do know enough to be able to read the document and then hand it off to people who are smarter than I am in that area. So that's kind of what I'm getting at. They just have to be able to read a document and go: oh wow.

A

That's not what the union contract says, or you see my point right, someone who knows that and we were dividing those things up between different areas within County government before it's nice that one person would be able to be that go-to resource for all of those things. I'll.

L

Show you that even with accounting I had to take legal environment to business, I had to take business law. So my thing is: that's what I'm saying they're gonna have to if you're dealing with policies and you're dealing with procedures and setting things in place and being able to read it to be able to question or even ask an intelligent answer, it would have to have the ability to at least know how to speak a little bit of their language. I.

A

Agree absolutely that'll be one of the things we look for with the candidates.

A

So beyond that any other questions so we'll come back and if you're interested in being on a hiring committee, let me know to stop in shoot me an email. Whatever, let's see here, moving on.

A

No information old business moving on to resolution 1994, four zeros nineteen for background information: this is the one that popped up that we didn't even know about. It is not on Unicode if you search on the Internet, this does not even show up. So when we had a question whether the county auditor could not sign the interfund borrowing year, end basically resolution to balance everything off of the year authorizing everything that we had done through the year.

A

My first opinion came back that well yeah, there's nothing in the code that says that they have to sign it, so you can pass it well after we did this popped up because it wasn't in Munich code, which is a concern of mine and I, have asked Dan and his office to reach out and see how that is possible. How do we have?

A

First of all, how do we have a resolution that the board passed in 1994 that doesn't appear in Unicode, because what we do is a process and I didn't know this and I want to make sure. Every year we get the updates of Unicode in the paper and we put them in the book.

A

So when we pass a new resolution or ordinance here to go to change the county code, we send that Dan's office sends it into the county clerk sends it into Unicode and they give us put it in the digital online version and then they give us the paper copies back after they format it through their legal department. This one wasn't on there and it makes me wonder what else isn't on there.

A

So I mean it's the things you know, but then okay well wait a minute, there's, obviously a problem I'm looking into what year that relationship started. Did that start pre, 94 or 94? Was there a breakdown before we got involved with the Unicode? So again, I don't have any answers there yet, but it's gonna be ongoing.

A

We have to do some looking in the sea because that's that's what I rely on I search immunity code, I use the computer for what it's for, to search our codes and be able to figure out that we're providing good answers. So that is not a blame game on the SAO, because they are we're kind of confused by how this could pop up as well. Well, when it did pop up, it forces us to have a conversation, so I started looking into it. I can't find any reason beyond this gates vs.

A

Switzer, that the board took this action back at that time, and my conversations that I had briefly with when I was on vacation with the state's attorney's office.

A

It seemed as- and this is my own comment at the state's attorney- that this was somewhat of a reaction to this ruling that may not be directly tied to the situation at hand, but regardless it forces us to take a look at why in 1994, did the County Board give away a constitutional responsibility? We have on managing the finances of the county and put it in the hands of the treasurer in the auditor.

A

Those are statutory responsibilities that we have and for some reason we thought it necessary back then to make it so one person could basically do our job for us either or the treasurer of the auditor whether they agree with us or disagree with this. That's why I'm bringing this back here, because, right now we have a situation that we have to go back and either resolve the issues that the auditor may have with the interfund borrowing which, by the way we borrowed five hundred thousand dollars less than we did the year before so I.

A

Don't really quite understand those issues we're actually doing better than we did before. But then, aside from that, do we want to let this stand where one individual could, in this case, take us from a $300,000 general fund, $370,000 I, believe general fund surplus. We did this year to over six and a half million deficit, because that's exactly what they do and they blow up the bond rating we potentially or what we won't get loans. I can't comment on how or why this is happening.

A

All I can say is I'm putting it in front of you to say that I absolutely want to repeal this resolution from 1994 for zeros 1:9, because I don't think that we need to have anybody. Take the authority that we have vested in us from the Illinois Constitution away from the counties code. That's one thing, the other stuff. We can work on separately, but this to me is dangerous and I can't really figure out for life of me. Why we did that as a board. I I, don't there's nothing there!

A

That tells me why that happened. So I guess questions first. This.

C

K

Of the resolution so that we can move to discussion, the.

A

Second, mr. wall, okay, so I have a motion to repeal 1994 four zeros, one nine interfund loan procedure and authority motion. Mr. Vickery, a second mr. Washington moving it on to discussion. Is there anybody that has comment? Mr. Snipes.

L

I'm, looking at what we approved back in 1994 and I, know at that time that I sat on this board and I believe the intent of the board at that time was to have a check and balance in place where we, just because of the interfund borrowing, and because there was some confusion as people not paying back and the sort that we wanted to have a check and balance in place I'm not in favor at this time of repealing it, because, if I'm going to repeal something, I need to have something in place, a draft or something that I'm appealing into.

L

If we in fact approve this in 94, then this document is at least about 30 years old that we would prove that we've been doing it this way for 30 years, so to just at the snap of a vote. Take it away without investigating. Why or what other concerns of the auditor? That's that's that's triggering this. These account Accord has to have a conversation, and we need to bring that elected representatives here.

L

So at least I can understand from his perspective, I believe I said this before when I'm looking at no signatures on something, apparently something is bothering him or triggering him, or if he's reading, he has a master's degree or whatever he has it from a decent school.

L

So I'm, not thinking that he's just doing it to just being opposition, but I do think that he's saying I need to be heard and I need to be heard before the County Board, so before I take any position to repeal anything that a prior board has set in place and that has been in place for 30 years. I need to hear all sides get.

L

The information have the state's attorney here so that we can hear any type of legal barriers that might exist or whatever, but to simply just take it off without having a conversation, because we appears to be in opposition in place and we want to circumvent that opposition at this particular point, because that looks like what's giving rise to why we want to repeal this, then we need to have a conversation or because that individuals, our elected officials, the auditor statutorily there are duties by the state a little more that he has to abide by and we do too so from one elected official to the other.

L

We need to sit down see if we can look at the issue brainstorm and then come to a resolve. That's a nickel ball to the board and him because apparently they're of this at least some type of controversy that needs to be resolved. So the reason that I will not be voting for it is based upon either. We can amend it to send it to a committee before we vote or it's going to be and I'm going to be a staunch I.

L

Don't say opponent, but I'm not comfortable with voting on it here or at the for County Board, so we need to have a conversation. I. Don't think that that is unreasonable. I need to know why I believe we said it. Even the public will probably want to know why we are transparent, it's in open meeting, and we don't have anything at this point that we have discussed this issue found out.

L

Why is enough, you may know in the Finance Committee, but we don't know as a County Board or in any other committee unless we sit on that respective committee and we're just reviewing a notice is he's in an opposition. So now I need that elected official to tell me why? What is it that concerns you?

L

It might just be a difference of some opinion or something, but we need to know that before we take a strategist step to remove something that I think was put in place because we wanted to have a check and balance system. If that makes sense to you sure.

A

And- and you know, I actually do appreciate the comments. It's uh you know there are. There are some parts of that that I did want to at least comment on before I think mister has had a question first thing is: is this was fully discussed in a county board meeting when I was out of town and the auditor sat upstairs and did not come downstairs to answer any of the things that you're talking about? Okay? That was the opportunity to come and explain exactly what your thoughts were for his thoughts were.

A

Okay and I know that he was being asked to do so because I was told by some of the people trying to reach him. So that is the first thing. The second thing is is that when this is repealed, it goes right back to what the Illinois Constitution says that the duties of our offices are and his offices this. We took something that, while I understand the intent that they want other people to look at it.

A

What strip the County Board of our constitutional authority, which is something that I think, is dangerous, and then we should never ever do in any case. We should never abdicate what the Illinois Constitution says that we should be doing now. The the auditor is doing that for things that he believes that the county board has stripped from him, and that is what we have an attorney waiting for me or an opinion from the Attorney General waiting on okay. So it goes both ways: okay, so that is I just want to mention.

A

There has been ample time to explain now when the auditor wrote on that piece of paper that we borrowed more than than we did the year before, it's patently false and wrong. Okay, what the auditor did not take into account is is the final tax? Was a disbursement hadn't been made yet so, if we actually that came in December, if he would ask the question, I would have actually answered the question, but that did not happen.

A

The snapshot at 11:30 when we have to settle all accounts because that's the end of our year and we have to take care of interfund borrowing. Everything we do is an emergency now as far as interfund borrowing goes because everything that we spend is a borrowed dollar. Every single one. Okay, I just want to drive that home. Okay, that's so this!

A

Whatever the intent was, we would have to be calling emergency meetings. Every payroll and Steve can comment on that. If you know I see him lurking in the shadows over there, I think that's Steve I see half of him. Okay, but everything that we do we'd have to have emergency meetings every two weeks and everybody would have to come in by going by this statute. Now, I have been on this board only what six years now, roughly, we have never gone by this at all. We've never had an auditor or anybody disagree with interfund borrowing.

A

However misguided and and misrepresentation all of the true information that it has been. We we borrowed five hundred thousand dollars less than we did a year ago from interfund borrowing. I think that is a very positive step forward and I hope we get a resolution. Okay, that is separate from this. What you see in front of you is to me is a dangerous precedent of the County Board, giving away its authority. That's why I'm asking you to repeal we can handle the other thing separately, because we can't do both at the same time.

A

So that's all I want to mention absolutely agree with you. The check and the balance is the people that put us in office. We are the financial arm of the county. The auditor has absolutely nothing to do with inter fund loan, barring just as far as saying that this amount of money was over here and over there. They audit we make policy. We let somebody get in front of us on policy that can't happen. My opinion. Let the board decide mr. house.

C

In here, the interest rate, which shall be set at one-half, point below the federal fund.

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J

All I can say: I was probably one that voted with that, but but a lot of things have changed over these years and this could be one of the things that we need to go back and redress and I'm for repealing it.

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L

Yes, before I got to I, it may be the dangerous president, but it was the president that was said again by the county board I believe considering that they were doing the right thing under sense. The Kankakee County Treasurer, with the concurrence of the Kankakee County Auditor and the Kankakee County Board, is hereby entrusted with the powers to now the county board get the authorization. It was not anyone else to authorize and implement and interfering along, which may be deemed necessary on an emergency basis.

L

I do know at that particular time we were not experiencing at at that time. Deficits in the county. In fact, at that time we were in surpluses as far as that's concerned, but to protect ourselves. I. Believe, that's why we went in that particular direction. Don't know exactly my vote. I do know. There was two of stitches at that time and the rest voted in favor of so I'm kind of reserved, and now we have the auditor here. I would be interested in what was his position. Why does he feel uncomfortable with signing documents?

L

I'm sure there has to be a reason why and if he wasn't, if he was out of town or whatever the last time I couldn't make it he's. Certainly here now, and it can kind of give us some guidance as to why his his his stands of opposition into doing certain things of whether. Why was why? Is it so important that I wouldn't put my city? It's got to be something that is behind his stance. So I would be interested in hearing that if there is no opposition from the board to all to.

A

Your point I think that's entirely appropriate, but when we revisit the interfund loan but.

L

We're asking no, we specifically.

A

That has no this affidavit I'm asking to rule this resolution because it reserves the board's authority. A whole separate issue is, is what we're gonna do for the 2017 interfund borrowing we can't mix up. You know the two together that is I think is highly inappropriate in this conversation, but.

L

If this is in the final on procedures and authority, that's what I'm looking at that the title of this is so, if we're saying that has nothing to do what we're talking about, we would be absolutely misguided because it deals with in the final loan procedure and authority and before I deal with anything else. I want. We talked about repealing this procedure and authority. My question again is the reason that we are considering.

L

It is because of the opposition, because you said never before had we had our church to stand in opposition, so there was no need. But, however, this county board has allowed this to go on since 94 for 30 plus years and whether they followed or not extends the bad message to the public. That says, oh, we put it on paper, but we don't follow it. My again theory is: if we're going to check it off for the table, we're going to repeal it.

L

Let us be educated so that we're not doing anything like this again if they woulda came to us and said well we're giving away our thority and we don't need to do it back here. Ninety-Four I'm sure individuals would have just went and said we're not gonna do it. They had to be a reason why we did it back, and some of us are still here. I know: Jim Tripp I know Georgia's here I'm here and whoever else did it at that particular time.

L

So I would be interested in hearing the other side, while I'm I'm here or at least a comment and then go forward. Cuz again he's in this document. The.

A

Treasure he's not in this document.

L

The county auditor and the County Board is in this art. Isn't it it says: Kankakee County Illinois resolution zero, zero, zero, zero one! Nine you see if the KQ County Treasurer, with the concurrence of the kaki county auditor and the Kankakee County Board Chairman. That's what the document said. So he is a part of this procedure and authority, and he is the subject of why we are we want to rescind it this.

A

The reason this is in front of you, because I found out this document exists. How we found out is really immaterial to this document, actually existing okay to separate completely different issues. My question is: is: do you want to give the power of the county board to any other elected office holder, which is against the Constitution of the state of Illinois? That's what's in front of you right now, though.

A

Now the separate consideration is is: do you agree with the auditor that you know we shouldn't do interfund borrowing and then that we should not settle up last year's interfund borrowing accounts. What you've already voted against I believe in the other board meeting that we had that we're gonna have to redo again, because this document existed. So that is the time for the auditor to come and show up and talk about 2017. What I'm talking to the board right now about? Is this problematic document from 1994?

A

That is in violation of what the statutory authorities County Board arm is.

L

The violation, or is it a legal pian that said it is that is their legal penis says the county board violated the constitutional. It's a constitutional authority by and we.

A

Gave away we gave away the Koster, so we did.

L

A

I'm asking you to take it back: okay,.

L

A

So it's not a gift: I! Don't if you want, if you, if you don't want the county board to do its constitutional duties, then vote against. This is what I'm saying if you want us to handle the finances of the county and have other people audit it and have outside people audit everything else, then you can do what your heart desires. I'm, not telling you I'm gonna, try to change I'm.

L

Not saying I'm saying we said against the Constitution I want to make sure that this is not again. You saying against the Constitution and I'm saying it's not really against the Constitution cuz. The County took the position unless there's a legal Peter says that there it was against the Constitution, but if it's something that we want to change because we think the practice is is is something that the previous board did by opening up two arms to a check and balance, and we want to now eliminate it.

L

Then that would be the case, but I don't think it's against the Constitution, and certainly we have legal staff. I mean that can weigh in as far as if it's a against the constitutional I've already has- and they say this against.

A

The Constitution yes I've spoken with the state's attorney, and there is no reason why the county board should have done what they did back in 1990. Mr. truck can I call Fred question. They have a call question I, it's already been called well that triggers an immediate vote. Those are not we're.

L

Not all the time it has to be, at least everybody has to weigh in and have said their piece and then, if they have the first time, I.

I

Think we can, they can call.

L

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A

First time mr. Washington back.

I

In that same time period, the county decided to have tax caps to vote on tax cap to allow the public to have tax caps. That was a major mistake that the county made. This is another mistake that the county made and I was sitting there. Yes, but this is a mistake that the county made and we need to correct that mistake. There's there's it's very simple. This does not do anything to improve or reduce the indebtedness that the county has or anything to that to that matter.

I

Therefore, we need to vote on it and eliminate this problem.

A

Thank you. So the question has been called I'm going to ask for a roll call vote on this. Please.

B

Mr. Tripp aye mr. Washington ah mr. Vickery mr. has mr. Snipes very.

C

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C Roy Miss Webber mr. wheeler, so.

A

Go on to the full board.

A

Contentious stuff gets old.

A

Background check for new hires: this is something that I wanted to bring to the executive committee, because there is no official policy in place that that discusses any of this situation. Right.

A

Now it's, it was the old HR directors opinion that we just checked cord for you locally, and you know, if there's nothing on there, we're fine, it really doesn't address. Did you know this person come from another area? Did they get a DUI? Do they have a driver's license? We asked for a driver's license, but maybe it's been revoked and they have a copy. So, as I spoke to the department heads, this is something that we need to do for every single hire that comes in here.

A

The show, obviously, the sheriff and the schools already do this, but I left I put in the packet. What the the cost would be. It's not that much money to go all the way up to the federal level. So that's something that I'm asking the board.

A

The motion would be that the there is a requirement for a background check to be made on all applicants before a job offer is made to the applicant and- and we really only control the administration departments, but we are still going to run everybody else just to make sure because they're all on our network, as mr. Duvall mentioned, they're all going to be on our network.

A

So if we have a situation where somebody needs to be monitored and they're on our network, that is a security risk for the county and I mentioned that before that it blows open a hole that somebody could potentially get into our our databases and- and you know, compromise our information, so that would be the motion would be to, and the extent of that would be. You know to the federal level. So that would be the motion. If anyone would like to make that motion I'd pass that or and then we can move on the discussion.

A

Mr. Washington is with the motion. Second, mr. Vickery: does anybody have any questions or thoughts or additions? Whoever would.

F

Be an administrative budget I'm sorry payment out of it ministry. Yes,.

A

I'm going to pay that out of administration, it's not that much money, but really that's what's at risk is is if we put somebody in there and most of those car driving type jobs are under administration. I really worry about that, but then again, if somebody else is in there- and we haven't done that, even if it's in an elected office and something pops up, it looks it's bad for all of us. So oh and we're gonna put that under administration and we're not taking out a lot of money.

A

You might have heard we're not hiring many people these days.

F

What the turnaround is, do you know that it's.

A

Not it's not that long, it's only about a week or so you know, and so we have two levels really. The only people that are we gonna be going to our vendor would be the ones who something has showed up as a blip on the radar. Anybody that's clean. You know, through our cursory check, that we can do in-house. But if something comes up we can't know exactly what it is, but if a right cloud pops up, then we're sending them on for the second more thorough vetting.

A

Does that make sense yeah, because we're not gonna spend money we don't have to. But again it's not that much anyway, we're talking just for the county state driving records. I mean we're still well under $100 for hire and that's after we've identified the candidate. So before we offer that position, then we're gonna do it. So mr.

F

A

Oh I'm, sorry did you follow.

F

Me I just wondered if the candidate would be aware of that somewhere.

A

We have to change on our employment application that we have to do. They know that this is going to happen. So that's part of this one of the the things that we're gonna do as part of the administrator coming in as we are going to do a full assessment of our policies and procedures, our employment applications all of our documents, because I have to I, can't guess anymore if we're covered, and so that that amount won't be 100 grand it won't.

A

We need 2030 it'll, be a lot less, but we are gonna, get that looked at by a professional and then work with the new administrator to I. Didn't want to do that before they got here. Is that if that makes sense, I want them to be part of the process. Mr. Siraj.

M

Thank You mr. chairman, some companies require the applicant to pay for their own background check and then, if hired reimbursed the applicant, the cost of the background check and that that's just some of my privy I would I would recommend that we background check all employees we aren't hires and through an outside source. I know, there's another place in the Regional Office of Education building that we just purchased early.

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M

There's a background place out there to know.

A

He asked Gregg about that. He said the outsource did I know that they they have to fingerprint their yeah, but I think he outsources all the background checks. Okay, so I'm not sure how that works, but he said that he wasn't necessarily a resource for us, be able you know it was just we had a motion in a second already.

A

There was one other thing: oh they're still on the table, as I may come back to you and say: do we need to go through and take a look at current employees just to make sure that everybody that is, he has a license? I think we do, but that's something that will be an added expense. You know with fingerprinting. If something happens, then we get an alert. You know: somebody's driving on vacation and West Virginia get a DUI whatever we would get.

A

The alert back here, I think we're in a situation where we may need to know what we need to know when we need to know it, and so we I want to come back with once. I have a full idea of what that cost would be, and then I'll, let you know it more and more. It's the norm. It's not unknown that this stuff is out there, especially in government. So all right motion to second any other questions. Did you have something mr. Vickery just.

K

A comment is that if you don't catch it early, it gets a pretty be a pretty messy situation if there's tiny lapses, and then you have something that shows up. You have a problem. Thank you.

A

13 anyone else all right, I have a motion, a second all, those in favor aye. Those approve, no, no, we'll spend the money as the time comes, so we're not actually spending money. Now until it happens, I.

A

Tell you why: why don't we run a roll call, just in case I, don't want to have to come back and vote on this again I'm, not gonna I'm, not again I'm, not a lawyer, so I'll. Let them make the decision so roll call. Please.

B

Mr. Trant aye mr. Washington mr. Vickery mr. Hass mr. Snipes mr. Bern mr. Cyr I, miss Weber mr. wheeler.

A

I'm moving on I was not at building of grounds, but I guess. The hankie Women's Club plaque for the three county governors was passed through building and grounds to bring it to executive and any members of that committee here. That would want to comment on what the nature of that discussion was any questions why it was brought here. I think I know why that I want to make sure before we discuss it. I.

J

Did have a comment at that that back years ago we were chairman of the millions of Islands committee, but at that time there was a lot of public opinion on cluttering that bond of the the courthouse up yet with trees. A memory of this person they're treated for that and a little plaque for this a little plaque, but I just want to keep that in mind.

J

I, certainly don't want to be a negative on this, but maybe that is the right place for it, but I just want through those concerns out there, that everybody wants to put something in that lon. Try and back in those days we were getting a lot of flack with just everybody at every you know. Every organization wanted to put a flag of men, sure honey long, so I don't know where that fits in here. The comment sure.

A

Then you know where were we've taken a lot of trees down, obviously lately and we're gonna have to replant some the when, when the Women's Club came in to talk to me about this, originally they were going to be selling bricks to fund this. You know like where you have you know the names on the bricks and that whole thing they had already had the plaques on order and their thought was was to and I've seen a preliminary to design. It was it wasn't official, but it was something that I could bring back.

A

If we, what I wanted to do was have building and grounds take a look at and say: do we want to start going down this road? Do we want to? Is there a place for it at Brian? Look, is there a place? It would be a place where the public could see it. It wouldn't clutter up exactly it would be aesthetically pleasing and it would go with what else we got going on there.

A

The second step is, is the messaging that's on the plaques, because this committee needs to be aware that this is a hot potato and that there will be people that are going to be against this okay and there will be people on the board that are against it, and some that are for the question is: is that I would like to put to the executive committee? Is the uniqueness of having three governor's from one community, which is extremely unique in historical significance, worthy of that acknowledgement?

A

Okay, now, as I have mentioned to the Women's Club, that, if you're going to start to talk about successes of a governor, then you have to start to talk about failures. So if it's a historically relevant, this person held office from here to here, served in the legislature from here to here. State senator here to here I think it's entirely appropriate because then we're not getting into advocating for or against anybody or anything I think it's personally worthwhile to not ignore history.

A

Okay, in any sense, if there's discussions that happen outside of that, then you know then make those can happen outside of that and that's probably healthy. So that's why I wanted to bring it to this committee, because your executive committee and you know that the eat will come. You know, and the question is, is if we allow that courthouse lawn to be used, then I'm going to insist that we actually approve the messaging on those plaques okay, because then it becomes a county monument.

A

So that's one of the things I want to put to everybody so do follow up yeah.

J

I just to follow up quick. Is it possible to set some kind of policy that these kinds of things will get there, but in honor of yobbo that did.

B

J

Neighbor, a good friend, you know, favor destroyed it out a little bit Oh as.

A

Far as future stuff yeah.

J

A

This is it, it comes back to the executive committee and then the whole.

C

Board but once we decide okay.

A

Yeah, it can't just happen: yeah, okay, you know, and if you ever have a chairman who wants to just make it happen, then you stop it and.

J

So we have had.

A

The administrator would stop that no I'm just kidding no I just wanted to make sure that everybody was on board with at least going down this road, whether you vote for it or against it, is a different situation. Emily.

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A

That we as a group, we would want to know what that messaging is correct: its kind of our property and the citizens property indirect earth directly, ours indirectly. So, okay, so that's really not I'm! Sorry. What well.

F

And I'm at a mill meeting we were told the electricity is in place. Phil Angelo is gonna, write the thing right.

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F

um Mr. tholins gonna arrange the landscaping and there was another part to it too. So when we were given all the information Helen to force that the president of the Women's Club said, we've got all the money. So when he had the vote it was we got the money, we got the place, we got the electricity, we got the writer so well.

A

They didn't have a place, yet we have a good idea where we go and that the place is determined by this committee yeah, you know, and so, if we want to go down the road, what our request is is better drawings than I had the first time and the more specifics on the language you know. So mr. Sykes counties.

L

In the state and lawyers had three governors that come from its County that passed, what I'm saying so I think it is the historical point, I understand that everything comes with the bad and good in life, but I think in this case, yes, citing are who they are their service. As far as you know, what they served and blah blah blah I think you stay up on neutral grounds. As far as that's concerned, everyone's gonna have their good and bad things.

L

That's even about us, and certainly some things that bloat up, but in this case I think it's a historical.

L

Asset to the county, because we out of 102 had three to come from Kankakee and I. Think that's that's something! That's whether good bad happy or sad. It is actually still a historical event as it's written in the archives of history and so therefore, what better place you know to have it and to recognize this historical, then I would have no objections to it. Thank.

A

You it's it's not just an Illinois nationwide I mean it's just it just doesn't happen really, oh, so alright, so I guess basically right now. I just need a head nod, move forward as I described, and then we'll bring back specifics to this command. I, don't think I'll bring it back to building your grounds first with a a firm plan. You know because we want to you know. Hopefully, this spring and summer we can get this movement. You know I would not want to wait a year if we possibly can.

A

If the money's there I'll be buying a brick or maybe a few, because you know my family was around back then here in the area. They knew some of those folks so wait in the wayback machine. So anyway, we'll move forward with that and I'll bring something back to you. That's more concrete, no pun intended um moving on to Paylocity issues. This is another one where I was not here.

A

Mr. Bern, if you want to fill us in and what that was about, yeah.

E

I'm, as chairman of the criminal justice committee chair, Downey, brought this forward to committee about with the autherine issues with the payroll system counting over time, and they it'll the tedious work that goes in when a deputy or someone swipes in they have to go back and readjust pay sheriff, isn't here. He was busy this morning, obviously with a missing child, so um I proposed the next month. We bring this back up right now and have the sheriff here to really address this specifics of what it was.

E

We just touched glazed over it a little bit in committee, but I feel it's appropriate that he be here to discuss further correct.

A

And mr. Washington, please.

I

Their deputies and other personnel come in early and when they come in early they clock in well, then they don't want it counted. He doesn't want it counted against their pay, but Paylocity pays them overtime for clocking in early mm-hmm.

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It makes it makes it difficult for they roll. They have to take all of that and then manually change it right. I just.

A

Have a comment and I'll just say: it have no way to sugarcoat it. None of these issues were brought up with payroll. Nobody talked to joanne RI about any of this before it came before. Committee. I would have appreciated that happening before that situation, because some of this might be able to be fixed within the current payroll system. First I heard about it was what the sheriff said. He was out looking for a new payroll system. Sorry, that's not productive! So what we we want to see.

A

If what we have will work, it's a very cumbersome system. It's not you get what you pay for, but ever we move to this because we're gonna save fifty seventy-five thousand dollars. It probably cost us a lot more than that man-hours with that that decision yeah, but now we got everything kind of fixed, except for these few things, and if we have to point we have to punt but I think that maybe it would be.

A

We have to take a hard look and make sure that the things people promise us with these companies that they actually we're Paylocity said they can do everything and it did very few of what they said so I will agree. We need to come back, but I think that maybe we should have a chance on fixing the issues first before it comes before the committee, people need to communicate so willing to do so, but mr. Bern perhaps.

E

Between now and then, we do have figure out if there is a solution to the problem, and we can come back with a resolution. Perhaps right.

A

The details of the problem, maybe they've, been communicated since this committee meeting happen, but I can't see how that that has happened. So, and maybe you did well, I was going it's hard to say. Joanne was going to she just got back so we'll find out mr. Washington I.

I

Ask the question: is there a possibility of a smaller, separate system to be to take all the payroll information and feed it into philosophy? The way it should be done rather than have people I have to correct everything before it goes now.

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That that's that's money involved, but if we want to maintain Paylocity and if we can't find a solution within the system, the way it that's the only alternative that yeah yep we're.

A

Finding something else that we move to you know yeah and and that that again that may be the answer, but I would like to try to do this in the way that engineers do it. You start with the least expensive, and then you go start working your way through it, and you know that you know you start with the belt before you change out the motor.

A

That's right, so anyone else mr. Vickery Thank.

K

You mr. chairman hottest highway handle it I mean you know: guy got to start at 70s clocks in at 20 minutes early I had it I mean. There's, there's got to be a an answer to this in.

A

There there may be technologically, they may not be right now. It sounds like what's happening because I haven't had this discussion at all, but it sounds like they have to go back and manually fix these. Yes, every payroll and I could see, for you know, for people, it's not that big of a deal there's a situation I had with the corner where we talked about punching in from you know. They go from home straight to places. Well, there's an app for Paylocity on the phone they could.

A

The the the corners people could be punching in from their phone. So that part we were able to talk and figure it out, but in this case I'm just assuming that that's the case and for a hundred people corrections officers that might be a big problem and time-consuming I get it, but let's see what we can do easily first and then go from there. I just don't know what it is yet so, alright, that's all I had um 13 16 bingo, sorry!

A

ah Well, that's all I have motion to adjourn unless there's something else: new business, old business, nothing. Okay, mr. Vickery mr. house, all those in favor those opposed. Thank you.