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Finance Committee Meeting 10/21/2021 9:00 AM
A
A
A
All
right,
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
allow
tanker
parker
to
attend
remotely.
Mr
long,
mr
hunter
seconds,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed,
nay
motion
carries.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
adjusting
your
schedules
to
this
revised
date.
Doing
this
is
saving
the
taxpayers
paying
for
a
special
meeting
and
also
allows
us
to
meet
the
requirements
for
the
public
viewing
of
the
budget.
So
thank
you
for
making
that
adjustment
to
your
schedules.
A
I
have
no
request
for
public
comment.
Are
there
any
public
comments?
Is
anyone
wishing
to
make
public
comment
hearing?
None
will
move
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
for
august
25th
and
august
29th.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
both
mr
payton
with
mr
long
with
the
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed,
nay
motion
carries.
A
C
Good
morning,
everyone
on
piazzoom
is
dane
mall,
who
is
our
representative
with
alliant
messero,
and
he
assists
greatly
in
addition
to
george
ryan
of
ryan
insurance
here
in
the
renewal
they
help
us,
as
we
work
through
our
renewal,
so
dane,
is,
is
on
zoom
here
as
well.
I
I
really
kind
of
want
to
just
talk
about
three
sheets
in
your
packet.
In
your
packet
last
night,
you
received
a
insurance
proposal,
that's
about
20
pages
long
as
well
as
a
couple
sheets
that
do
a
comparison.
C
Things
are
flying
back
and
forth
and
we
got
those
corrected
and
got
the
new
numbers
out
and
those
came
in
about.
I
think
3
30
last
night
right
dane
something
like
that
and
and
we
have
the
new
copies
to
you
tinker,
you
don't
have
those
remotely
but
I'll
talk
through
them.
I'll
send
them
to
you,
I'm
sorry
after
the
meeting,
but
it
was
kind
of
a
last-minute
fire
drill
here.
C
C
The
first
thing
that
dane-
and
I
worked
through
yesterday
or
or
not
the
first
thing,
but
one
of
the
issues
dana
and
I
worked
through
yesterday-
has
to
do
with
the
liability
proposal
and
the
two
sheets
you'll
see
at
the
top
I've
circled
in
red
one
says:
15
000
deductible
option
and
one
says
25
000
deductible
option
and
what
we're
talking
about
there.
There
are
two
different
rates.
Obviously
the
one
with
the
fifteen
thousand
dollar
deductible
is
higher.
C
That
is
the
deductible
and
dane
jump
in
make
sure
you
jump
in
and
correct
me
when
I
make
a
mistake,
but
has
to
do
with
the
law
enforcement
liability
deductible
and
in
your
proposal
packet
that
you
got
last
night
in
the
proposal.
It's
page
five,
but
it
looks
something
like
this
tinker.
Can
you
see
that
and
that's
really,
where
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
deductible
right
now
we
have
a
deductible
on
all
those
claims
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
C
You
can
see
here
the
trend
of
the
claims
from
2016
through
2021
right,
very
small
number,
3
8
10
for
this
year,
22
to
date
and
dane,
I
think
we
were
talking
yesterday-
there
have
been
additional
claims
that
have
come
in
after
that
haven't
there
you
have
an
idea
how
many
you've
seen
come
in
recently.
The
last
couple
weeks.
D
C
So
out
of
the
jail
exposure
to
covet,
so
the
issue
became
and-
and
dane
did
this
analysis
on
on
page
five
in
your
in
your
books,
but
when
we
looked
at
renewal,
dane
wanted
to
to
think
about.
What's
the
difference
to
the
county,
if
we
moved
from
a
15
000
deductible
to
a
25
000
deductible,
what
would
that
mean
in
terms
of
the
county's
premium?
C
D
Sure
happy
to-
and
it's
good
to
be
before
the
the
committee
here
today.
So
thank
you
for
that
opportunity
and
and
just
to
frame
the
renewal.
A
little
bit
is
there's
a
reason
why
law
enforcement
liability
is
is
being
looked
at
in
a
little
closer
way
by
insurance
carriers.
It's
a
very
challenging
insurance
marketplace
and
in
particular,
for
public
entities,
so
much
so
that
it's
the
it's
actually
the
worst
insurance
marketplace.
That's
there's
been
since
the
mid
1980s,
so
it's
very
challenging
for
public
entities.
D
The
good
news
is
is
that
the
county
has
partnered
with
icmt
and
icrmt.
Is
the
insurance
provider
for
over
50
percent
of
the
counties
in
illinois
with
over
400
members
that
are
a
part
of
icrmt
icmt
is
a
very
good
partner
and
they've
been
providing
a
stable
program
for
a
long
time.
So
all
that
being
said,
we
knew
that
law
enforcement
liability.
D
We
know
that
this
is
a
challenging
issue
as
a
society
and
and
that
trickles
over
and
that
we
definitely
see
the
impact
in
the
insurance
marketplace
so
that
uncertainty
that
public
distrust.
You
know
all
those
things
that
are
ripped
from
the
headlines
that
we
see
in
pub
in
for
law
enforcement
liability.
D
That
is
what
brings
us
to
this
discussion
about
the
deductibles
for
the
county.
So
currently
you
have
a
15
000,
deductible
icmt
wanted
to
kind
of
move
that
up
to
a
25,
000
deductible
and
that's
directly
related
to
the
claims
that
that
we
see
at
the
county
in
the
corrections
in
jail,
environment
and
and
the
activity
that
goes
on
there.
D
So
the
15
000
deductible
option
and
the
analysis
that
that
we
ran.
So
we
wanted
to
look
very.
You
know
closely
at
that
range
in
between
okay.
What
is
your
exposure
in
between
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
deductible
and
a
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
deductible?
And
that's
what
that
exhibit
kind
of
indicates?
And
I
think,
if
I
were
looking
and
we've
provided
data
back
to
to
2016
on
this,
and
as
you
look,
you
know
the
experience.
D
If
we
were
back,
you
know
a
few
years
ago,
the
experience
would
say
well
do
we
do.
We
need
to
necessarily
worry
about
having
a
lower
deductible
because
we're
not
seeing
a
great
deal
of
expense,
but,
as
you
can
really
see
this
past
year,
this
is
where
this
uncertainty
comes
into
play,
and
so
in
that
20
to
21
year,
you
see
that
those
incurred
expenses
in
that
range
of
15
to
25
000
ends
up
being
about
84
000
in
legal
expense
costs.
D
E
E
What
can
happen
is
that
those
things
are
addressed
locally
internally,
and
I
was
wondering,
if
there's
any
kind
of
procedure
that
you
guys
know
about
that.
These
particular
matters
that
have
been
filed
by
the
inmates
could
be
resolved
internally
before
they
see
the
light
of
day.
In
terms
of
where
you
have
to
spend
countless
number
of
dollars
in
terms
of
legal
expenses.
E
So
what
I'm
saying
is,
for
example,
with
the
with
the
union
grievance
with
the
state
of
illinois.
You
can
file
that
stuff
and
they're
resolved,
hopefully
before
they
go
to
idhr
illinois,
department
of
human
rights
or
eeoc,
and
get
a
right
suit
letter.
Then
you
know
you
know
the
you
know
the
you
got
to
spend
a
whole
bunch
of
money
in
terms
of
dealing
with
that
stuff.
Is
there
such
an
animal
that
you
guys
could
maybe
consider.
D
Yeah
so
sure
I
know
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
and
really
there
is
not
an
administrative
remedy
similar
or
in
parallel,
like
you
have
with
the
idhr
or
the
eeoc
for
these
types
of
matters
we
discuss.
We
have
quarterly
well
claim
review
meetings
at
least
twice
a
year
at
the
county
where
we
discuss
these
matters
and
it's
come
up
a
number
of
times
it's.
How
do
we
move
these
claims
through
the
process?
Not
just
covet
related
claims,
but
any
of
these.
D
What
are
called
pro
se
claims,
where
you
have
the
inmates
that
aren't
even
hiring
an
attorney
on
their
own,
because
they
don't
have
the
wherewithal
to
do
that,
but
they're
creating
these
lawsuits
on
their
own
and
and
they
want
their
day
in
court.
So
we're
trying
our
best
to
perhaps
even
move
and-
and
certainly
the
sheriff's
office
could
speak
to
that-
to
move
these
folks
out
of
our
system
out
of
the
county
system
so
that
they
no
longer
become
our
issue.
D
C
Correct
so
these
are
civil
suits,
they're,
going
through
the
court
process
and
obviously
any
citizen
can
sue
someone
else
valid
or
not,
and
that's
what
we're
seeing
so,
although
we
believe
that
our
exposure
is
minimal,
it
still
takes
time
and
an
attorney
to
represent
the
county
in
court
on
these
matters,
and
remember
this
I
mean
you
think
a
pro
say
that
should
be
simple
right.
Well,
what's
going
to
happen
through
the
courts
is
they're
going
to
make
sure
those
detainees
are
allowed
their
day
in
court.
C
It
may
be
longer
because
they
may
not
come
prepared,
so
it
gets
delayed
every
time
it's
delayed.
That's
another
court
call
it's
another
running
through
the
system.
So
all
those
costs
add
up
when
our
representative
is
coming
back
here
and
representing
the
county
in
court
as
as
those
cases
get
delayed
or
perhaps
move
to
a
hearing,
etc.
C
C
Exactly
these
22
cases
are
not
resolved
they're
currently
in
the
court
system.
So
who
knows
how
long
it
will
take
to
resolve
them?
We
hope
they're
going
to
be
resolved
at
a
november
22nd
court
date
they
may
not
be.
They
may
be
continued
again.
There's
22
now,
what's
coming
behind
them,
so
you're
right
now
as
dana
and
I
talked
yesterday.
Now
is
not
the
time.
C
C
C
Correct
so
the
things
you
received
yesterday,
the
paperwork
and
the
proposal
was
at
the
25
000
limit,
and
what
dana-
and
I
worked
through,
I
asked
dane
to
do
yesterday-
was
recalculate
based
on
that
fifteen
thousand
dollar
deductible
that
we
currently
have.
So
you
see
that
in
this
sheet
it's
an
additional
sixty
nine
000
in
premium
there,
so
that
the
premium
amount
isn't
the
1.116
million
that
you
got
re
yesterday,
but
it
is
a
million
eighty
five,
seven,
seventy
one,
so
sixty
nine
thousand
dollars
higher.
A
C
C
What
you
had
yesterday
was
about,
I
think,
865
or
so
thousand
or
or
685
sorry
686.,
and
in
going
through
the
proposal
yesterday,
I
identified
that
the
salary
estimates
used
for
work
comp
were
not
what
we
had
corrected
on
the
application,
so
the
application
comes
back
draft
and
then
I
go
through
and
evaluate
and
we
actually
run
our
actual
payroll
based
on
work
comp
and
do
some
analysis
and
we
had
sent
in
corrected
numbers.
Those
corrected
numbers
didn't
make
its
way
through
the
process
and
weren't
reflected
now.
C
The
issue
is
this:
so
it's
really
higher.
You
would
say
why
did
you
tell
why
didn't
you
just
be
quiet
anita,
because
the
issue
is
this:
if
the
premium
is
based
on
that
low
first
off,
it's
not
right
and
second
of
all,
if
you're
paying
a
premium
based
on
those
lower
amounts
all
year.
What
happens
after
the
end
of
our
fiscal
year
is
that
the
insurance
company
comes
and
does
an
actual
audit
of
your
of
your
actual
payroll,
and
if
those
estimates
aren't
correct,
you're
going
to
get
a
big
bill.
C
I
think
it
turned
out
to
be
about
sixty
thousand
or
and
say
this
needs
to
be
paid
right
away.
That's
that's
not
good,
either
from
a
cash
flow
standpoint
from
an
accounting
standpoint
and
how
we
reflect
and
from
just
the
ethical
way
of
doing
things
the
right
way.
So
the
numbers
were
revamped
and
I
would
say
this
dane
really
went
to
bat
for
us
so
that
the
county
didn't
bear
all
that
additional
cost
like
I
said
I
think
he
negotiated
down
and
it
went
from
686
to
703.
C
G
G
A
B
E
C
I
I
The
personal
property
replacement
tax-
I
can
tell
you
that
well
for
personal
property
replacement
tax.
That
is
a
one-time
adjustment
by
the
state,
so
it
is
in
the
bank
we'll
take
it,
but
that
trend
will
not
continue,
but
it
is
a
nice
influx
for
the
rest
of
them.
As
we
get
into
the
budget
conversation,
we
went
very
conservative.
So
this
new
trend,
a
lot
of
this
trend,
is
based
off
fy
19,
with
a
small
percentage
change.
I
I
A
I
G
I
I
I
H
G
B
A
B
A
A
I
B
H
A
I
Some
of
the
policy
stuff-
okay,
kelly-
did
do
you
have
that
file
by
chance
for
the
highlights
thanks,
we
put
together
a
few
highlights
I'll
hit
some
of
these
here
for
the
for
the
entire
document.
So,
as
far
as
the
general
fund,
it
is
balanced
that
32
668
334,
the
total
of
the
debt
service
and
special
revenue
funds,
I'm
going
to
shorten
it.
It's
31.3
million
highway
funds
total
is
a.
A
I
The
highway
fund's
at
30.3
million
and
then
health
department
and
approximately
9.6
we're
still
awaiting
the
9-1-1
exact
number.
So
I
averaged
so.
You
have
before
you
in
in
total
a
total
of
104
million
32
176
dollars
in
total
budget
for
approval.
This
morning,
it's
approximately
12
million
higher
than
our
original
budget
in
fy
21,
and
that's
primarily
due
to
budgeting
the
arpa
funds
for
those
transactions
that
we're
doing
with
the
arpa
money.
I
I
I
I
Some
of
that
is
because
I
would
say
about
300
000,
give
or
take
because
of
we
will
get
into
this
next
month
when
we
do
the
levy,
but
we
reduced
the
tort
levy
to
help
the
corporate
levy
to
help
offset
some
of
these
changes.
For
for
this
year,
368
000
increased
income
tax,
123
000,
increased
replacement
tax
and
75
000
increased
the
recorder
fees.
I
So
even
though
those
sound
like
you
know
some
major
changes
like
income
tax
replacement,
tax
recorder
fees,
all
of
those
are
they're
trending
right
now
way,
above
that,
so
we
I
just
picked
some
of
those
out
just
to
identify.
You
know
some
of
the
major
changes,
so
that
makes
up
some
of
the
the
pluses
and
minuses,
if
you
will
for
the
general
fund
budget
in
the
challenge
of
getting
it
balanced
for
fy22.
A
A
I
guess
to
the
sheriff's
department
that
they're
looking
at
ways
to
reduce
their
expenses
of
1.4
million,
so
they
worked
hard
on
trying
to
do
their
share
on
this,
and
that's
one
thing
that
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
every
member
of
this
committee
and
then
the
board
and
then
the
public,
realizes
that
state
legislature
really
hit
us
hard
and
we're
we're
doing
what
we
can
to
make
an
adjustment.
Because
of
that
are
there
other
comments.
People
want
to
make
on
the
highlights.
A
A
E
I
I
If
you
will-
and
you
can
see,
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
hit
the
torque
fund
is
it's
expected
to
be
just
over
3
million
this
year,
so
we
felt
that
it
could
help
out
and
it
could
survive
on
its
own
and
and
basically
rob
peter
paid
paul
kind
of
a
scenario
as
far
as
levy
for
the
general
fund
versus
the
tort
fund,
so
that
will
drop
potentially
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
But
it's
still
higher
than
it
was
back
in
2008.
I
The
pension
fund
is
just
now
reaching
the
level
that
it
was
at
in
2008,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
help
the
general
fund
get
back,
but
the
positive
thing
is:
it
looks
like
with
these
trends
of
sales
tax
and
these
one-time
payments
with
replacement
tax
that
it
will
help
the
general
fund
go
from
approximately
1.7
million
ending
fund
balance
to
in
this
year,
with
approximately
2.6
close
to
2.7
million
fund
balance.
So
it's
still
going
up
and
I
think
that's
positive
and
we
got
a
lot
of
challenges.
I
You
know
we
just
discussed
what
the
state
sent
us,
but
at
the
same
time
everybody
is
working
hard
and
it
is
showing
up
that
we're
still
making
positive
strides
in
you
know,
fund
balance
and
overall
fiscal
health.
So
so,
even
though
we're
moving
money
around
and
we'll
discuss
again
in
detail
those
those
specifics
with
the
levy
next
month,
we're
still
you
know
we're
still
moving
in
a
positive
direction.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
everybody
also
saw
that
fund
balance
total
in
the
big
picture.
G
We
have
to
account
for
that
starting
january
1st,
so
this
budget
has
to
include
or
not
include,
should
I
say
any
revenue
and
us
any
cost
associated
with
detaining
you
know
the
federal
ice
population
that
was
at
our
jail
now
that
lawsuits
aren't
going
so
when
that
is
resolved,
then
we'll
have
a
better
idea
in
23,
hopefully
on
what
our
23
and
24
and
25
budgets
will
look
like.
But
this
budget
allows
us
to
to
not
go
backwards,
allows
us
to
go
forward
kind
of
tread
water.
G
G
So
we
built
that
back
up
and
now
we
have
to
shift
it
to
take
a
little
more
from
the
tort
fund,
which
is
all
of
our
liability
insurance
money,
and
you
know
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff
that
pays
those
bills.
We've
shifted
because
we're
tax
capped,
so
we
still
have
a
balanced
budget,
we're
still
not
going
backwards,
but
we
can
only
do
that
for
a
few
years.
We
can't
do
that
forever
or
else
we'll
drain
the
tort
fund.
G
I
hope
you
understand
so
this
allows
us
to
get
from
a
to
b
and
there
allows
us
to
not
make
major
structural
changes
in
terms
of
the
sheriff's
department,
because
ice
wasn't
out
there,
picking
up
for
people
present
in
this
country
illegally
or
they
weren't
doing
all
of
those
different
things.
Even
with
marshals
went
down
during
covet.
So
we've
made
adjustments
already
to
staffing:
that's
why
that
doesn't
equal
the
4.5
that
we're
losing
total
from
our
relationship
with
ice,
because
we
had
already
that
was
already
reduced
in
2020.
G
I
hope
that
makes
sense
of
the
committee
because
we
are
being
hurt
by
the
state
of
illinois,
changing
bail
reform
and
you
know
cashless
bail
and
all
those
different
things.
That's
hurting
the
revenue
in
our
courthouse
that
that's
how
we
operate
the
courthouse,
the
the
the
all-out
assault
on
county
finances
out
of
springfield,
not
just
kankakee,
but
all
counties
should
be
noted,
the
things
that
they
don't
pay
for
anymore,
the
revenue
they
take
away
from
us
they're
expecting
our
taxpayers
to
pick
up
or
they
lose
those
services.
G
So
we're
we're
able
to
get
through
the
first
phase
of
this,
with
this
budget
and
kudos
to
steve
and
anita,
mainly
steve,
but
we
all
work
as
a
team
putting
this
together,
but
then
also
allowing
us
to
have
that
bridge.
While
this
lawsuit
shakes
out
that's
the
kind
of
overall
thinking
and
policy
behind
this
budget,
and
then
also,
I
want
to
mention
that
139
000
of
our
money
for
the
the
squads.
G
G
A
G
Guess
wheeler,
I
think
I
think
in
in
this
case,
I'll
put
a
little
bit
of
context
on
it
and
obviously
mr
payton
would
have
a
lot
to
say
or
have
something
to
say.
Excuse
me,
but
I'm
not
put
words
in
his
mouth
but
the
the
number.
Actually,
if
you
turn
back
a
page,
we
have
a
new
cover
page
for
all
of
these,
because
we
have
a
process.
I
want
to
mention
that
to
the
committee.
G
Okay,
everything
is
coming
down
to
the
finance
department
with
all
documentation,
and
then
they
are
creating
they're
filling
in
this
cover
sheet.
It's
going
to
have
one
more
evolution
if
you
will
into
something
that's
designed
a
little
bit
but
easier
on
the
eyes,
but
it's
so
this
committee
knows
if
it
which
fund
it
qualifies
for
which
section
of
the
the
law
it
applies
to
in
this
case
5.40.
G
Is
it
from
the
lost
revenue
fund?
No,
so
it's
letting
this
committee
know
where
the
vetting
has
occurred,
because
a
lot
of
people
say
well.
Have
you
seen
their
tax
returns?
Have
you
seen
this?
Have
you
seen
that
yes,
but
we're
just
not
bringing
all
that
up
to
you
to
have
this
sit
in
front
of
you,
they're
keeping
all
that
for
the
backup
downstairs
for
the
department
of
treasury
when
they
file
quarterly
so.
G
Department
yeah,
it's
it's
readily
available,
it's
stuff,
that's
freedom
of
information,
all
of
that,
but
the
amount
is
156
855,
because
it
was
just
a
roundup.
Okay,
you
know
like
a
not
to
exceed
number,
but
then
once
you
get
into
this,
we've
talked
about
this
for
a
couple
of
months
now
we
finally
have
a.
G
We
have
three
bids
downstairs
and
that's
what
we
had
asked
for
the
lowest
bid
was
that
amount
of
money
from
a
company
called
gas
vota,
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
the
committee
needs
to
know
is
is
that
the
and
steve
can
speak
on
this
at
length.
If
somebody
has
specific
questions,
but
if
you
receive
over
50
000,
you
have
to
be.