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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 08/17/2022 9:00am
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Okay,
first
up,
we
have
the
minutes.
Get
approval
of
the
minutes,
get
a
motion
in
a
second
mr
swanson
and
mr
kirkster
in
the
back.
First
and
second,
all
in
favor
say
aye.
Thank
you.
Move
on
to
next
up
is
the
billing
report,
which
we
don't
have
that
for
this
meeting,
it's
gonna
go
to
the
county
board
exactly
exactly.
Oh,
exactly:
okay,
okay,
okay,
we're
gonna
go
to
bid
opening
for
demolition
of
properties
on
laurel
road
right.
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E
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Right,
this
is
a
request
for
a
community
solar
garden,
five
megawatts
on
a
approximately
40
acre
tract
kelly.
If
you
could
load
up
the
power
point
for
ka-32
kimley
horn,
okay,
32,
that's
the
one
in
diversity
right
that
would
be
the
one
in
diversitech
we're
going
to
allow
the
applicant
to
present
the
same
powerpoint
that
they
presented
at
zoning
board
of
appeals,
which
will
show
the
site
plan
and
the
key
points
of
the
project.
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Okay,
test
test:
okay,
good
morning
I'll,
introduce
myself,
I'm
jason
cooper,
I'm
a
civil
engineer
with
kimberly.
Horton
associates,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
turning
point
energy
team,
who
are
here
in
the
audience.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
for
the
developer,
we
can
certainly
direct
those
to
them,
but
I'll
run
through
the
the
presentation
that
we
did
here
on
monday.
I
do
tend
to
speak
pretty
quickly.
So
if
I,
if
I
start
going
a
little
fast,
I
can
slow
down
just
yell
right
through
the
mic
over.
So
it's
more
comfortable.
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This
is
going
to
be
a
ground
mounted
single
axis
tracker,
so
I
actually
grew
up
in
key
county
and
I
know
there's
a
couple
of
these
around
the
area,
so
some
of
you
may
have
seen
some
of
these
projects
that
are
built
around
here.
This
will
be
very
similar
equipment
to
those
that
have
that
have
been
installed
in
the
county
on
the
site.
You
can
see,
there's
a
perimeter
fence
and
access
road
very
difficult
to
see,
but
the
access
roads
on
the
very
northeast
corner.
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This
was
done
strategically
to
put
the
access
and
the
equipment
near
the
industrial
area.
The
the
northeast
side
of
the
site-
and
this
area
in
general
is
industrial.
Just
south
of
mantino.
We
do
have
a
proposed
landscape
buffer,
which
I'll
highlight
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
on
a
couple
of
slides
on
the
west
side.
That
was
done
as
well
just
to
provide
some
some
additional
visual
aesthetics
to
the
project.
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We're
aware
that
you
know
not
everybody,
everybody
has
a
different
opinion
on
on
the
way
solar
farms,
you
know,
look
and
and
how
they
blend
into
the
natural
environment.
Some
people
believe
they
they
fit
very
well,
others
others,
you
know,
do
not,
and
so
just
to
to
be
cognizant
of
of
that
fact,
we've
we've
went
ahead
and
proposed
a
a
landscape
buffer
here
on
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
project.
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So
this
is
the
slide.
I
alluded
to
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
landscape
buffers
and
on
monday,
we
actually
introduced
a
a
prototypical
landscape
plan
for
kao4,
which
is
the
next
project
I'll
talk
about,
but
that
was
entered
into
the
record
on
on
monday,
which
gives
a
little
bit
more
detail.
Turning
point
energy's
goal
for
all
their
projects
in
illinois
is
going
to
be
to
meet
the
illinois
department
of
natural
resources,
solar,
pollinator
scorecard.
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That's
not
a
requirement
in
the
state,
so
they're
willingly
going
forward
with
that
and
there's
some
requirements
in
order
to
become
a
classified
as
a
solar,
pollinator
friendly
site
that
need
to
be
implemented.
So
we
will
be
using
solar,
pollinator
seed
mixes
across
the
site,
as
well
as
some
additional
requirements
that
are
needed
to
meet
the
department
of
natural
resources
requirements
for
a
pollinator-friendly
site.
And
then
you
can
just
see
a
couple
of
potential
landscape
renderings
here
for
for
what
that
that
buffer
may
look
like
along
the
west
side
of
the
site,.
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Storm
water
ground
cover,
so
this
is
my
area
of
expertise.
As
a
civil
engineer,
I
always
think
it's
important
to
to
acknowledge
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
from
a
storm
water
and
ground
cover
standpoint,
since
these
are
agricultural
fields
in
the
existing
condition.
So
the
american
society
of
civil
engineers
issued
an
abstract
about
10
years
ago,
studying
the
the
hydrologic
response
of
solar
farms.
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So
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
I've
got
just
a
quick
graphic
here.
In
addition
to
that,
that
study
we're
actually
going
to
be
increasing
the
infiltration
decreasing
the
runoff
by
establishing
that
pollinator
seed
mix
that
I
spoke
of
before
that's
going
to
have
a
more
deep
rooted,
year-round
root
structure
out
there,
as
opposed
to
your
traditional
row
crop.
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This
is
a
drain
tile
slide.
I
I
don't
believe
that
that
tom
tom
huddleston
is
going
to
be
speaking
today,
but
he
went
through
a
a
pretty
comprehensive
explanation
of
drain
tile
and
and
walked
through
that
and
our
approach
to
that.
So,
if
there's
any
direct
questions
on
drain
tile,
I
think
we
can
direct
those
to
to
tom
who's
here
in
the
in
attendance
today,
but
we
do
have
a
plan
in
place
to
mitigate
any
drain
tile
and
protect
those
for
for
the
project,
the
decommissioning
plan.
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Essentially,
what
the
decommissioning
plan
does
is
it
puts
forth
a
process
for
the
project
to
be
taken
out
of
production
and
returned
back
to
either
agricultural
production
or
the
land
that
it
was
before
the
solar
farm.
So
there's
requirements
in
the
aim
of
that
need
to
be
met,
and
our
decommissioning
plan
will
be
in
accordance
with
that.
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The
decommissioning
plan
will
address
the
removal
of
all
of
that
equipment
and
prior
to
us,
getting
a
building
permit
from
the
county
will
be
responsible
for
putting
together
a
cost
estimate.
For
that
decommissioning
and
putting
financial
surety
in
place
with
the
county,
in
accordance
with
the
code.
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As
part
of
our
diligence
for
these
projects
with
turning
point
energy,
our
team
completed
an
environmental
constraint
study.
It's
part
of
our
diligence
in
looking
at
the
land
to
make
sure
that
we
are
being
cognizant
of
all
the
state
listed
and
federal
requirements
for
environmental
concerns.
So
you
can
see
on
the
list
here
quite
a
few
items
that
we
checked,
including
you
know,
fema
floodplains,
wetlands,
county
soils,
state
and
federal
listed
species,
among
other
things.
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Two
parts
I
did
want
to
note
is
that
we
have
started
our
consultation
with
the
illinois
department
of
natural
resources
we
submitted
their
through
their
ecocat
and
I'll
go
through
a
little
bit
more
on
a
couple
of
slides
after
this,
and
then
we
also
started
our
formal
consultation
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
which
we've
got
our
our
correspondence
letters
from
them
as
well,
wetlands
and
waterways.
We
created
our,
we
completed
a
level
one
desktop
wetland,
and
what
that
does?
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We
checked
the
the
ipac
for
federally
protected
species.
It
did
list
a
a
few
species
that
you
can
see
listed
on
on
the
screen
there.
However,
due
to
the
highly
disturbed
nature
of
the
agricultural
field,
that's
out
there
the
lack
of
woods
and
potential
habitat
we,
we
don't
expect
any
impacts
to
federally
listed
species
and
we'll
make
sure
that
the
project
when
final
engineering
is
in
place
does
not
have
any
impacts.
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I
can
say
on
my
experience
on
over
50
solar
projects
in
illinois
that
the
shippo
submits
this
letter
on
every
single
project.
It's
part
of
their
process.
We
will
be
required
to
do
a
phase
one
archaeological
survey
before
we
get
our
state
storm
water
permit
and
we'll
have
to
have
sign
off
from
the
shippo.
We
intend
to
do
that
before
we
start
construction
unless
we
have
correspondence
with
the
shippo
that
doesn't
deem
that
necessary,
but
that
is
standard
process
for
these
solar
farms.
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I
think
everyone
has
seen
those
type
of
fences,
it's
more
palatable
to
neighbors
it
blends
in
with
the
rural
environment
better.
So,
rather
than
go
through
a
whole
variance
process,
we've
been
allowing
that
as
a
condition
upon
the
approval
that
they
would
be
allowed
to
use
a
agricultural
fence
instead
of
a
chain
link.
So
our
motion
should
include
clued
those.
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Certainly,
can
I
have
those
same
concerns
about
putting
a
lot
of
weight
towards
a
a
lisa
score
when
it
comes
to
the
solar
farms
lisa
score,
the
lisa
score
was
designed
to
evaluate
a
particular
site
for
for
its
permanent
development
and,
generally
speaking,
residential
development,
which
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
that
site
and
its
surroundings.
There's
two
parts
of
the
lisa
score:
lisa
is
a
land
evaluation
and
site
assessment.
D
All
of
these
things,
or
many
of
these
things
don't
apply
to
a
solar
farm
such
as
at
least
one
of
these
got
an
additional
10
points
for
being
too
far
away
from
sewer
and
another
10
points
for
being
too
far
away
from
water,
neither
of
which
a
solar
farm
needs
or
wants
and
has
any
use
for.
So
you
could
lower
that
score
by
20
points.
If
you
didn't
consider
it.
Unfortunately,
the
lease
of
score
doesn't
work
that
way,
and
it's
pretty
black
and
white.
It's
it
either
is
or
it
isn't.
There
is
no.
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I
am
not
sure
on
the
entire
state
process.
I
do
know
that
the
next
part
of
the
process
is
november
1st
and
that
the
solar
farms
must
have
local
approval
to
get
into
that
process
for
november
1st,
which
is
why
we're
seeing
applications
now
exactly
how
they're
going
to
run
that
lottery
or
issue
those
tax
credits.
I
I
do
not
know.
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I
F
So
I'm
a
civil
engineer
by
degree
in
trade.
So
it's
a
little
outside
of
my
my
wheelhouse
here,
but
I'll
do
my
best
to
kind
of
answer
your
question.
So
my
understanding
is
these
community
scale
size
or
what
we
call
distributed
generation
facilities
they
connect
into
the
lines
you
see
running
down
the
roadway
right.
Those.
If
you
see
three
lines
on
top
of
a
power
pole,
we
call
that
a
three-phase
line.
So
that's
the
the
distributed
grid.
That's
ran
by
your
utility
provider.
F
So
in
our
case
comed
the
smaller
projects
submit
to
comed
comed
does
an
assessment
of
a
feasibility
study
of
their
system
and
says
you
know.
Yes,
the
system's
ready
for
you
to
connect
in
here
and
there's
no
upgrades
other
than
you
know
a
point
of
interconnection.
That's
called
that
has
a
few,
maybe
transformers
on
the
pools
or
interconnect
process
that
allows
it
to
go
straight
into
the
grid.
F
So,
as
part
of
the
the
process
to
develop
these,
the
developer
and
owner
needs
to
get
that
approval
from
comed
and
in
some
instances
the
line
is,
is
over
capacity
and
and
there
would
need
to
be
major
upgrades
to
the
system
at
which
point
a
lot
of
times.
The
projects
don't
make
sense,
then
financially,
so
they
don't
go
forward.
So
these
projects
are
far
enough
along
in
that
process
to
know
that
there's
not
any
major
improvements
and
there's
additional
capacity
in
those
lines
to
accept
the
electricity
that
we're
generating.
Does
that
answer
the
question?
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D
Me
to
read
them
sure
condition:
number
one.
The
ground
cover
should
be
planted
with
native
pollinator-friendly
species.
Two
all
required
landscaping
shall
be
subject
to
the
maintenance
requirements
and
penalties
prescribed
in
the
weed
and
grass
control
plan
and
three,
an
eight
foot
tall
agricultural
style
fence
shall
be
permitted
in
lieu
of
the
required
chain
link
fence
as
specified
in
the
applic
application
site
plan.
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A
Okay,
we
got
zba
case.
22-09
is
another
request
for
a
special
use,
permit
section,
121.99
c
3
4
solar
farm
in
the
a1
agricultural
district,
on
a
parcel
generally
situated
in
section
18
of
gainer
township.
The
petitioners
are:
are
dwayne
bojar,
revocable,
living
trust,
property
owner
and
turning
point
energy
t
p
e.
I
l
k
a
0,
4
llc
applicant.
A
D
F
Test
okay,
so
this
is
a
mimic
of
the
presentation
previously
just
with
some
site
specific
items,
and
so
there
may
be
some
slides
at
the
end.
You
know
stormwater
and
some
of
those
things
like
that
that
I'll
I'll
just
have
skip
through
it's
going
to
be
the
the
same
information
I
provided
previously,
but
but
ad
as
delbert
mentioned.
This
is
the
the
site
plan
here
so
similar,
very
similar
layout,
as
as
the
previous
project,
I'll
highlight
the
same
components
that
I
that
I
did
on
the
previous
one.
F
F
Right
now
on
the
southwest
corner
of
that
intersection,
which
is
where
we'll
be
interconnecting
into
along
there
too,
as
well
on
this
one,
we
we
have
a
similar
landscape
buffer
proposed
on
the
north
side.
You
can
see
some
proximity
to
some
some
residents
there
as
well,
so
we
we
took
the
same
approach
as
I
alluded
to
previously
on
on
this
one
and
same
same
items
on
the
site
plan
as
as
the
previous.
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F
F
You
can
see
the
the
the
snip
on
the
left
is
just
some
hatches
of
our
pollinator
and
the
actual
document
that
was
submitted
on
monday
into
the
record
has
the
seed
mix
for
those
two
solar
pollinators.
We've
got
one
species,
that's
going
to
be
under
the
arrays,
that's
more
of
a
low,
growing
pollinator
mix
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
get
too
high
to
shade
the
the
panels
and
and
limit
the
amount
of
maintenance.
F
F
F
Decommissioning
plan
will
be
the
same,
the
environmental
overview.
We
did
the
same
study.
I
will
go
through
each
one
of
these
just
since
it's
a
different
site
and
give
you
an
overview
of
what
was
determined.
It
will
be.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
same.
We
submitted
to
the
illinois
department
of
natural
resources
for
our
ecocat
started
our
shippo
consultation
and
did
the
same
level
of
diligence
on
this
project
that
we
did
on
the
previous
wetlands
and
waterway.
Our
team
did
the
a
similar
analysis
came
to
the
same
determination
based
on
our
investigations.
F
The
same
federally
listed
species
came
up,
which
is
what
we
would
anticipate
being
in
the
same.
You
know
general
area
of
the
county
again
due
to
the
highly
disturbed
nature
of
the
project
and
being
an
agricultural
facility
and
that
we're
not
removing
any
trees.
We
don't
expect
any
any
impacts
to
any
sort
of
environments
that
would
would
be
hosting
these
protracted
species
state
protected
species.
Again,
we
submitted
through
the
ecocat
tool,
dnr
evaluated
the
site
and
once
again
no
state
listed
species
were
identified.
F
Thus
we
we
don't
anticipate
any
impacts
to
any
state
listed
species
for
the
project,
cultural
resources.
Similarly,
we
submitted
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
We
did
receive
a
letter
recommending
a
phase.
One
archaeological
survey,
which
again
is
is
standard
in
my
experience
for
these
types
of
projects,
we'll
get
a
phase
one
archaeological
survey
done
by
an
archaeologist
prior
to
construction
so
that
we
can
get
our
state
stormwater
permit
natural
resource
inventory
report.
We
we
again
submitted
to
the
soil,
water
conservation
district
and
received
back
the
nri
in
june.
F
This
one
did
have
a
lease,
a
score
of
227,
which
puts
it
at
a
high
rating
for
protection.
This
is
the
one
you
know
that
I
believe
that
delbert
spoke
about,
that
that
had
20
points,
for
you
know,
distance
to
sewer
and
water
again,
and-
and
we
do,
we
do
believe
that
this
is
a
benefit
to
the
to
the
soil.
By
taking
this
out
of
production
and
and
having
it
be
a
solar
farm
for
the
life
here,
and
we
also
believe
it's
a
complementary
use
as
well.
So.
D
A
I
F
A
D
G
D
A
Okay,
I
had
a
quick
questions
about
the
construction.
We
approved
a
lot
of
them
and
they
were
supposed
to
be
using
h,
beams
right,
I
and
and
driven
down
into
the
ground
yep.
But
now
I
see
everybody's
using
the
screw
type.
Are
you
gonna
be
using
the
screw
type
or
the
the
driven
h-beam
type
construction.
F
So
I
haven't
seen
the
I:
don't:
have
any
drawings
yeah?
No,
no!
I
haven't
seen
this
the
screw
type.
We
have
a
structural
engineering
team
that
does
those
designs
and
I'll
say
almost
all
the
ones
we
do.
Are
the
I-beam,
your
typical
w-flange
beams
that
go
into
ground.
My
understanding
is
those
those
screw
types
tend
to
be
if
there's
bad
poor
soil.
F
A
G
A
D
A
D
Yes,
we
have
been
working
very
diligently
at
on
our
hazard
mitigation
plan
update.
The
committee
has
met
twice
already
and
at
our
last
meeting
we
were
given
an
assignment
for
a
call
for
projects,
we're
at
that
point
in
time
where
it's
time
to
start
thinking
about
what
projects
would
be
included
in
the
plan.
So
I've
asked
our
consultant
to
be
here
today
to
explain
how
that
process
works
and
what
type
of
projects
we'd
be
looking
for.
D
So
you're
not
you're,
not
married
to
it
other
than
the
fact
that
you
need
it
in
the
plan.
If
you
want
to
do
it
at
some
point,
our
we
need
these.
These
will
need
to
be
back
to
to
us
no
later
than
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
november
3rd,
but
I
would
really
like
to
see
them
sometime
in
october,
but
so
I
would.
I
would
like
to
make
the
deadline
more
of
the
pga
meeting
in
october
with
that
we'll
turn
it
over
to
andrea
from
american
environmental
good
morning,
andrea.
J
Okay,
so,
as
delbert
said,
the
county
hired
american
to
help
them
update
their
hazard
mitigation
plan.
My
name
is
andrea
bostwick,
I'm
the
emergency
management
services
manager
for
american.
At
our
august
3rd
mitigation
task
force
meeting
we
talked
about
mitigation
and
began
discussing
mitigation
projects
and
activities.
J
So
mitigation
is
any
sustained
action
that
reduces
the
long-term
risk
to
people
and
property
from
natural
hazards.
Sustained
actions
can
be
things
like
projects
and
activities.
So
what
are
we
talking
about
with
those
projects
and
activities?
Well,
we're
talking
about
things
like
constructing
community,
safe
rooms,
those
that's
the
fema's
new
word
for
a
tornado,
shelter,
we're
talking
about
things
like
installing
harvey
materials
at
critical
facilities.
This
can
be
shatter
resistant
window,
film
or
glass
hill
resistant
shingles,
bearing
utility
lines
to
critical
infrastructure
and
facilities.
J
An
activity
would
be
something
like
identifying
access
and
functional
needs
populations
for
notification
of
hazard
events.
Activities
can
also
include
building
codes
and
things
like
that.
Updating
the
existing
building
codes,
another
type
of
project,
would
be
acquired
or
removing
flood
prone
structures
from
the
floodplain
or
floodplain
and
stream
restoration.
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
the
board
is
interested
in
is
that
kankakee
river
project
in
the
report
that
goes
with
that
and
delbert
has
forwarded
that
on
to
me.
J
So
we've
kind
of
started
to
take
a
look
at
that
for
mitigation
projects
that
we
can
also
include
in
the
plan
from
other
planning
activities
that
you
guys
have
taken
part
in
the
goal
of
the
mitigation
plan
is
to
identify
those
projects
and
activities
that
will
help
reduce
the
risk
to
people
and
property
in
the
county.
So
that's
the
heart
of
the
plan
is
that
list
of
projects.
J
J
So
fema
prefers
individual
project
lists
now,
as
opposed
to
group
ones.
So
each
of
the
participants,
the
county
and
each
of
those
municipalities,
fire
districts,
health,
centers
schools,
anybody
who's,
a
participating
jurisdiction
wants
to
put
plan
projects
in
the
plan.
They
will
have
their
own
separate
list
that
they
are
responsible
for
you're,
not
responsible
for
bourbon
a's
list
and
bourbon
is
not
responsible
for
the
counties
list.
It's
individual
lists,
so
this
list
is
what
the
county
would
like
to
see
accomplished.
J
If
the
funds
become
available,
it
does
not
obligate
the
county
to
fund
or
complete
these
projects.
Okay,
this
is
a
wish
list.
This
project
this
plan
is,
is
more
of
a
carrot
plan
than
a
stick
program,
they're
looking
for
ways
to
reduce
those
impacts
because
they've
had
so
many
and
they've
had
to
respond
to
them,
they're
trying
to
spend
more
money
up
front
so
that
they
don't
have
to
respond
on
the
back
side.
So
that's
what
this
is
about.
J
One
of
the
things
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
projects
and
activities
that
are
included
in
this
plan
must
be
mitigation
related
all
right,
not
emergency
response
or
maintenance.
Now
there's
a
gray
area
between
emergency
response
and
recovery
and
mitigation,
and
we
can
talk
about
those
areas.
But
ultimately,
this
is
a
mitigation
plan,
so
projects
that
are
not
considered
mitigation
or
things
like
radio
and
video
equipment
for
police
and
fire.
The
sheriff's
department
dump
trucks
and
humvees
sidewalk
repair
construction
of
helipads.
J
Things
like
that
are
considered
response,
not
mitigation,
so
we're
looking
at
projects
that
we
want
to
include
that
are
mitigation
related
now,
if
you
do
have
a
project
and
you're
not
sure
where
it
falls
on
that
spectrum,
please
include
it
because
then
we
can
have
that
discussion,
because
if
you
don't
include
it,
I
can't
tell
you
yes
or
no
all
right.
So
if
it's
a
project
you
would
like
to
see
included,
please
put
it
in
and
then
we
can
have
that
discussion
of
where
it
falls
on
that
spectrum
of
mitigation,
emergency
management.
J
Okay,
so
I
know
delbert
talked
about
that
form.
I
think
there
was
also
a
list
of
projects
that
we've
seen
put
in
for
other
counties
and
there's
other
handouts
that
we
can
provide,
but
that
gives
you
real
life
examples
of
other
mitigation
projects
that
counties
have
put
in
in
other
areas
of
illinois.
That
gives
you
some
examples
to
look
at
all
we're.
Looking
at
right
now
is
that
project
description.
J
Don't
worry
about
any
of
the
other
columns,
we're
just
after
that
project
description,
because
sometimes
it's
easier
to
see
what
others
have
put
in
and
then
they
kind
of
get
you
thinking
about
what
you
need
as
a
county
and
there's
also
no
point
in
recreating
the
wheel,
if
you
don't
have
to
so.
If
you
need
these
electronically,
just
let
us
know
we
can
get
those
to
you.
J
One
of
the
things
silver
talked
about
was
that
form
this
form
we'd
like
to
use
it
to
identify
any
potential
mitigation
projects
that
the
county
would
like
to
include
in
the
plan
so
on
this
form
are
three
pieces
of
information
that
we
are
going
to
need.
One
of
those
is
a
project
description,
so
I
don't
need
a
paragraph,
but
I
do
need
more
than
two
words
all
right.
J
So
if
one
of
the
projects
that
we
get
a
lot
of
is
generators,
if
there's
a
generator
for
one
of
the
critical
facilities
within
the
county,
the
courthouse
highway
public
health,
any
of
those
are
interested
in
a
project
like
that.
I
need
to
know
whether
they're
talking
about
perma
portable
and
what
type
of
facility
it
will
be
at
all
right.
You
don't
have
to
be
fancy
with
your
words.
J
The
other
thing
that
I
need
is
the
individual
department
that
will
be
responsible
for
administrating.
That
project.
Is
it
going
to
be
the
county
board?
Is
it
going
to
be
the
highway
engineer?
Is
it
going
to
be
the
public
health
administrator?
Is
it
going
to
be
delbert
and
the
planning
department?
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
fema
wants
to
know
that
you
thought
about
us
who's
going
to
be
responsible
for
that
grant.
If
you
get
it
to
do
that,
project,
okay
and
then
that
third
piece
of
information
I
need
is
an
estimated
time
frame.
J
J
So
generally
we
say
a
year
on
those
unless
it's
a
project
that
you
already
know
you're
going
to
do,
but
you
want
to
put
in
just
because
in
case
funding
falls
through
and
when
you
put
projects
in
these
need
to
be
projects
that
have
not
begun
yet
so
they're
shovel
ready,
but
they
you
haven't,
started
them
because
once
you've
started
them,
you
can't
go
back
and
apply
for
funding
for
them.
So
these
are
projects
that
you
would
like
to
see
done
in
the
future
that
you
haven't
quite
gotten
to
yet.
J
J
A
A
When
you
talk
about
shovel
ready,
does
that
mean
we
have
to
have
all
the
engineering
and
all
the
process
done
and
the
bids
out
and
everything
ready
to
go
or
shovel
ready
means
to
me
you
gotta
ready
for
a
permit.
Is
that
what
that
means?
We
have
to
pay
all
the
engineering
and
all
the
fees
up
front
to
get
a
project
on
the
list.
J
They
can
be
along
that
scale.
They
can
be.
You
thought
about
the
project
and
you
haven't
gotten
to
those
engineering
studies.
These
can
be
plans.
If
this
is
something
that's
a
project,
that's
going
to
be
done
in
phases
or
steps
where
you
need
to
figure
out
first.
What
the
actual
problem
is.
This
is
especially
true
for
advantage
of
blood
problems.
J
We
see
a
lot
of
people
put
in
a
a
planning
activity
to
figure
out
exactly
what
they
need
before
we
put
in
a
project
that
says
this
is
what
we're
after
okay,
but
we
also
have
people
who
have
projects
that
are
sitting
there
that
are
ready
to
go,
but
they
haven't
found
a
funding
source
for
them.
So
we
encourage
you
to
put
in
both
types
of
projects
and
plans.
A
G
Multi-Jurisdictional,
what
about
bi-state
plans-
and
I
speak
specifically
about
the
kankakee
and
yellow
river
40-year
work
plan
that
does
have
an
extension
going
into
kankakee,
county
and
also
iroquois,
but
it's
mainly
for
the
iroquois
river
that
is
in
kankakee
county.
We
have
identified
things.
Does
it
carry
extra
weight?
If
we
do
a
a
multi-state,
you
know
I
want
to
say:
ask
if
you
will
or
plans
put
the
whole
thing
in
there.
Do
people
look
at
that
like
you've
got
two
states
that
are
together
on
this?
G
J
I
think,
for
that
one
it
does
hold
more
weight
if
you've
got
more
than
one
jurisdiction.
Looking
at
that
project
or
that
plan
study,
that
was
the
one
that
del
reported
to
me.
I've
kind
of
taken
a
quick
look
at
it
because
that
portion
is
in
hanky
key
and
it's
probably
going
to
be
your
jurisdiction
to
take
care
of.
It
needs
to
go
in
under
you,
but
it's
one
of
those
that
you
can
look
at
and
say
hey.
J
A
G
G
That's
a
major
project
that
I
don't
know
that
we
could
afford.
If
not
for
you
know
this,
this
getting
it
funded
by
the
federal
government.
Is
that
250
in
competition
with
everybody
else
like
they
appropriate?
You
know
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
chance
do
we
have
to
actually
get
that
kind
of
money
out
of
this,
this
effort.
J
And
that's
a
very
fair
question:
it
depends
upon
what
grant
program
it
goes
through,
so
fema's
grant
programs
if
it
goes
fema
there
has
what's
called
the
hazard
mitigation
assistance
program.
That
is
an
umbrella
that
covers
right
now,
three
grant
programs.
It
covers
brick,
which
is
building
resilient
infrastructure
in
communities,
flood
mitigation
assistance,
fma
and
then
hmgp,
which
is
the
hazard
mitigation
grant
program.
Hazard
mitigation
grant
program
is
awarded
after
a
federal
disaster
declaration
is
declared
for
the
state
all
right.
So
with
the
hmgp
program.
J
It's
probably
a
little
more
right
now
of
an
interesting
program
than
the
other
two,
because
who
you're
competing
against
is
those
in
illinois
all
right.
Both
brick
and
fma
are
federally
competitive
programs,
so,
while
they're
interesting
to
put
in
on
they
need
to
be
larger
projects
for
brick
and
right
now,
illinois
is
at
a
disadvantage
in
terms
of
the
scoring
model
that
is
being
used
at
the
federal
level.
One
of
the
things
about
brick
is
that
there
are
points
awarded
for
the
applicant,
which
is
actually
the
state
if
they
have
building
codes
available.
J
Illinois,
along
with
most
of
the
midwest,
do
not
have
building
codes
at
the
state
level,
so
illinois
is
already
behind
on
points
for
any
projects
they
put
in
because
they
do
not
get
those
points.
So
you
start
in
the
whole
when
you're
talking
about
a
federally
competitive
grant
program
across
the
united
states,
rick
is
in
its
just
finished
its
second
year.
The
projects
that
were
awarded
across
the
united
states
were
mainly
on
the
coasts
for
brick,
east
coast,
west
coast,
texas
got
a
couple.
J
The
middle
of
the
united
states
didn't
get
very
much.
There
were
a
couple
projects.
There
was
one
in
wisconsin
one
in
kentucky.
Most
of
those
are
million,
plus
dollar
projects
that
go
through
brick.
Now
the
thing
about
brick
is
there
is
each
of
the
states
is
awarded
an
amount
of
money
through
bric?
That's
not
competitive
nationally,
it's
money
that
the
state
can
use
for
planning
and
other
efforts.
J
There
is
some
talk
about
using
some
of
that
money
for
smaller
projects
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
competitive
through
brick,
I'm
not
sure
quite
where
they're
at
with
that.
But
that's
one
of
the
other
things
for
brick
is.
There
is
some
small
amount
of
state
money
that
they
can
use
for
projects
that
fall
under
500
000
that
are
in
the
250
to
100.
000
range.
J
Brick
is
a
yearly
program.
It
is
generally
done
for
grant
applications
in
the
fall.
The
nofo
for
this
next
grant
cycle
is
supposed
to
come
out
in
the
next
week
or
two
for
brick
and
we'll
see
if
they've
changed
any
of
their
criteria,
they
modified
them
slightly
between
the
first
year
and
the
second
year.
I
don't
know
what
the
second
year
and
third
year's
going
to
bring.
Yet
if
that
answers
your
question,
there
are
grant
programs
available,
but
they're
more.
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A
D
While
we
learned
about
what
we
need
to
do
to
do
to
retain
our
documents,
it
turns
out
that
while
we
can
scan
them
for
our
own
use,
many
of
our
documents
do
have
varying
degrees
of
how
long
we
need
to
retain
them,
such
as
our
building
permit
files.
We
have
to
keep
for
five
years.
Zoning
files
have
to
be
kept
forever
and
scanning
according
to
the
state,
is
not
a
a
viable
way
to
keep
them,
because
there's
no
guarantee
that
they
can
be
kept
forever.
D
So
we
do
need
to
keep
the
hard
copies
of
those
for
those
specified
periods
of
time,
just
want
to
give
an
update,
we're
planning
to
go
forward
with
the
scanning
project
so
that
we
can
make
our
files
more
readily
accessible
and
usable,
but
there
is
going
to
be
at
least
with
the
with
the
building
permit
files.
There
will
be
a
five-year
period
where
we
will
still
have
to
keep
them.
We
don't
have
to
keep
them
in
the
filing
cabinets
and
readily
available.
A
D
Kankakee
county
has
a
solid
waste
plan,
albeit
it's
outdated
a
little
bit.
It's
still
a
plan
in
place.
We
have
a
solid
waste
ordinance
and
there
are
solid
waste
activities
going
on
throughout
the
county.
However,
we
have
not
had
a
position
in
my
office
to
do
the
work
involved
with
with
those
things
since
about
2008..
D
I
brought
this
situation
up
to
chairman
wheeler,
probably
about
a
month
ago,
and
he
agreed
that
if
we
have
an
ordinance
in
place
and
we
have
a
plan,
we
should
be
enforcing
that
ordinance
and
we
should
be
following
that
plan
and
wanted
me
to
bring
it
before
this
committee
to
get
your
feelings
on
establishing
that
position
and
refilling
that
position.
I'm
looking
at
it
from
a
three
point.
Three
points
of
duties,
one
would
be.
Enforcement
of
our
ordinances.
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Doing
things
like
keeping
our
plan
up
to
date,
suggesting
ordinance
changes
doing
other
activities
such
as
tire
recycling,
household,
hazardous
waste
events,
those
sort
of
things,
so
that
would
be
program
management
and
thirdly,
education,
creating
brochures
facebook
posts
going
to
the
public
and
talking
to
them
about
the
best
practices
for
dealing
with
solid
waste.
We
get
a
fair
number
of
calls
in
our
in
our
office.
D
G
G
Wasn't
people
weren't
planning
back
then
yeah
for
obvious
reasons,
but
you
know
the
the
the
questions
I
had
for
del
when
he
brought
it
to
me.
Was
you
know,
does
this
person
work
with
the
illinois
epa?
Do
we
do
the
inspections
like
for
you
know
all
of
that
stuff,
and
he
said
yes
with
a
delegation
agreement.
We
would
take
that
over
from
the
illinois
iepa
and
that's
a
good
thing.
You
know-
and
I
said
you
know
what
is
there
any
revenue
attached?
G
He
said,
probably
not
there's
grants
available
for
that
kind
of
stuff
and
we
would
investigate
those
but,
and
then
I
also
said
well
what
about
these
complaints
we
get
about.
You
know
buried
stuff,
that's
out
in
the
pembroke
township
hopkins
park
areas
that
could
this
person
investigate
that
stuff
to
their
the
best
of
their
abilities,
and
if
there's
you
know
moving
forward
if
things
are
found,
and
that
is
a
responsibility
as
a
as
a
you
know,
code
enforcement.
It's
a
code
issue,
you
know,
so
it's
all
those
different
activities.
G
A
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A
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I
think
this
type
of
job
and
from
what
I've
been
able
to
research
at
other
locations.
That's
the
typical
description
for
this
job.
So
finding
someone
willing
to
do
that
is
probably
not
not
difficult
finding
a
person
these
days
can
be
difficult,
but
finding
somebody
who's
experienced
or
has
the
ability
to
do
that
or
they'll
want
to
do.
That
is
probably
not
that
difficult.
Okay,.
A
So
we'd
be
looking
for
somebody,
they
could
do
both
office
being
to
work
in
the
office
get
along
with
people
and
then
could
go
out
in
this
tahoe
and
drive
across
the
farm
field.
Yeah
a
little
bit
muddy,
we'd
be
looking
for
a
professional
and
walk
around
in
the
mud
in
his
boots
and
see
what's
going
on
with
the
shovel
okay,
multifaceted
position.
Yes,
is
that
something
we
have
to
advertise
for,
or
you
have
a
place
to
look
for
or
I'd?
Well,
we
have
a
quite
a.
A
G
It's
it's
large,
it
needs
updating
the.
I
think
the
the
state
requirement
to
update
it
on
a
schedule
has
expired,
so
we
don't
have
a
state
requirement.
We
still
should
do
it.
We
should
be
measuring
how
much
recycling
is
going
through
the
county
and
other
things
associated
with
that
and
frankly
to
in
order
to
receive
some
of
those
grants.
We
have
to
measure
that
you.
G
D
A
D
A
A
G
If,
if
I
could,
mr
chairman,
the
this
is
really
something
you
would
start
now
to
be
included
in
next
year's
budget.
Okay,
if
you
did
hire
somebody
before
then
then
there's
definitely
enough
revenues
to
cover
that
position
before,
but
it
was
more
like
if
dell
wants
to
do
it
and
we
agree
now's
the
time
to
start
looking
for
that
person,
because
it's
not
easy
to
find
people
for
anything,
let
alone
something
that
has
a
skill
set
and
a
certification,
and
things
like
that.
I.
D
A
A
A
D
We
thought
about
what,
if
the
grant
only
paid
for
50
of
that
person's
salary,
and
we
had
an
assistant,
planner
position,
also
attached
to
that
so
50
percent
of
the
time
they
could
be
utilized
for
zoning
cases
and
these
various
other
planning
activities
that
we
have.
I
have
not
seen
ben's
list
to-do
list
lately,
but
my
list
is
four
pages
long
right
now:
okay,
we
have
a
lot
of
activities
going
on
and
with
the
amount
of
grants
and
new
programs
coming
out
of
the
federal
and
state
government.
D
A
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D
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H
Just
for
the
edification,
the
committee,
this
position
would
be
no
different
than
a
lot
of
our
current
staff
within
the
planning
department.
Many
of
the
people
that
work
within
the
planning
department
have
a
portion
of
their
their
time
if
they
commit
a
few
hours.
You
know
mary
does
you
know
copies
for
us
or
whatever
for
the
tran?
We
apply
that
to
the
grant
and
we
do
that
on
a
on
a
like
a
bi-weekly
payroll
basis,
so
we
send
up
to
the
finance
department
x,
number
percent
of
their
time.
H
This
pay
period
was
committed
to
so
this
person
would
be
the
same
thing
as
they
were
working
on
transportation
related
activities.
They
would
have
their
time
sheet
reflecting
that
and
we
would
just
bill
that
directly
to
the
grant
and
then
the
remainder
of
those
funds
would
come
out
of
the
other
side
of
the
general
fund.
A
G
And
I'll
speak
to
that
that
this
this
is
one
that
I
absolutely
100.
If
there
was
more
percent
than
100,
I
would
say
it
but
100
behind
this,
because
I
know
we're
ripping
ben
in
a
thousand
different
directions,
and
this
is
to
he
is
the
gentleman
here
that
handles
a
lot
of
our
grants
and
these
appropriation
documentations
and
things
like
that
that
are
dealing
with
the
dco
and
all
the
transportation
stuff.
This
is
all
interconnected,
so
he
can't
manage
e-waste.
G
He
can't
manage
all
these
other
different
things,
because
we
need
him
for
the
next
year
where
all
this
is
ground:
zero,
we're
talking,
armor
road
project,
we're
talking!
You
know,
you
know
whether
it's
career
center
or
you
know
a
9000
road.
I
mean
there
is
so
much
that's
on
his
plate.
He's
going
to
be
burned
here
in
about
six
months,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
Okay
and
plus
now
we
finally
have
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room
to
be
able
to
start
back
to
get
back
into
planning.
G
Everybody
has
a
unique
skill,
set
ben's
he's
able
to
connect
all
these
state
departments
to
the
appropriations
and
the
grants
and
be
able
to
do
the
paperwork,
and
I
don't
know
be
the
whisperer.
If
you
will
to
try
to
raise
the
debt
in
the
state
to
get
them
to
respond
to
something,
that's
probably
the
best
way
to
put
it
because
it's
you
think
we
have
it
bad
they're
turning
people
over
every
couple
of
months,
and
so
we
have
new
grant
managers
all
the
time.
G
A
That's
where
we're
at,
and
I
really
think
we
need
mr
wilson
to
concentrate
on
the
grants
and
the
the
funding
and
the
big
projects
instead
of
all
the
office
type
stuff
and
things
going
on
smaller
things
too
right,
so
that
would
help
him
out
considerably
and
give
him
some
more
time.
Dale.
You
have
any
comments
on
there
say.
Yes,.
D
A
B
A
G
I
have
a
question
it's
on
the
agenda,
so
we
talked
about
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
people.
We
haven't
seen
on
that
regional
planning
commission
in
one
two
three
four
years
that's
last
month
and
so
the
the
the
resolutions
I'll
say
or
until
the
replacement
is
found,
would
it
be
appropriate
for
someone
to
make
the
motion
that
we
adjust
the
regional
plan
and
by
the
way,
let
me
back
up.
We
have
problems
with
quorum
because
we
have
what
18
people
on
it
and
if
you
gotta
have
nine
ten.
G
It's
17,
but
you
see
the
difficulties.
Could
we
maybe
trim
that
back
a
third,
a
third
of
quorum
with
regional,
oh
by
their
bylaws,
but
still
there's,
there's
problems
with
that?
Can
we
turn
back
to
the
people
that
we've
seen
in
the
last
year
or
two
years,
maybe
and
then
have
that
be
the
number
okay
you.
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A
A
A
D
G
A
D
A
D
Yet
when
it
was
developed
exactly
why
they
chose
17
and
not
a
different
number,
I
can't
really
say,
but
the
idea
of
the
regional
planning
commission
is
to
get
a
good
cross-section
of
people
from
the
county,
different
walks
of
life,
different
incomes,
different
educational
backgrounds,
different
races,
just
different,
so
you
get
different
opinions,
different
viewpoints,
and
that
is
all
great.
So
the
more
the
merrier
really.
D
D
G
G
Could
we
have
to
do
something
to
fix
all
those
resolutions
that
say
until
a
successor
is
appointed
yeah,
because
we're
never
going
to
have
a
successor
appointed
if
we
keep
going
the
same
direction
we
are,
you
know,
we've
tried
all
the
outreach
we've
tried,
putting
it
on
facebook
all
over
the
place.
We've
just
the
board.
Members
can
talk
to
people
in
their
area
about
being
on
it.
It's
it's
been
a
year
since
we
still
had
six
sitting
there,
yeah
yeah,
so
don't
have
to
take
action
today.
A
We
talked
about
it
last
meeting
I
got,
I
think
two.
Maybe
three
phone
calls
about
it
about
the
fact
that
we
don't
we
have
a
committee,
we
don't
have
to
have
so
many
people
to
have
a
meeting,
and
you
know
it
seems
like
they
never
have
meetings
about
anything
and
we
have
a
company.
That's
a
plan,
that's
like
outdated
and
all
that
stuff
and
having
meetings
it's
going
to
become
more
involved
and
mr
miller
tries
to
put
together
a
meeting.
You've
got
to
spend
a
couple
hours
on
the
phone.
A
How
about
responses
on
phone
calls?
Is
there
you
have
any
problem,
getting
anybody
to
call
you
back
or
anything,
but
some
people
were
asking
me,
you
know:
are
these
people
just
say
they
want
to
be
on
there
and
they
never
go
to
any
meetings.
Is
that
why
they
would
be
on
there?
I
mean
I
I
mean
so
I
could
say
I'm
on
the
regional
planning
commission
and
never
go
to
a
meeting.
D
A
Investigate
how
to
estimate
I
like
to
see
dell
try
to
create
a
number
and-
and
you
know,
work
with
chad
on
a
number
that
you
guys
12,
14
16,
you
know
whatever
you
guys
think
it
needs
to
be,
and
then
we'll
talk
about
it.
You
know
before
the
next
pga
meeting,
so
we
have
that
we
can
move
on
to
them.
Would
that
be
soon
enough?
Andy,
thanks
for.