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From YouTube: KC Violence Reduction Program - July 13, 2021
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The Violence Reduction Program Governing Board’s mission is to reduce gun violence in Kansas City through the coordination of prevention, intervention, and enforcement activities, and by providing a forum where our community can provide direct input and feedback on these strategies to their mayor, their police department, and their prosecutor. The Governing Board will be responsible for overseeing the implementation of Kansas City’s violence reduction strategic plan, which has been developed by a number of local stakeholders through a structured process facilitated by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Public Safety Partnership (PSP).
A
All
righty,
if
everybody
is
okay,
we
will
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Dr
jones
advises
that
she
is
running
a
little
bit
late
and
I
think
the
mayor
probably
follows
it
in
that
category
as
well,
and
so
because
we
have
one
of
our
newer
board
members
here
with
us
and
ready
to
give
his
introduction.
We
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
our
june.
A
B
B
B
But
until
you,
like
me
and
like
us,
have
buried
hundreds
of
young
black
men
and
young
black
women
to
violence
until
you
like
us,
have
had
to
go
to
mortuaries
and
see
the
bullet
written
bodies
of
young
black
men
and
young
black
women.
Teenagers
children
until
you
like
us,
have
had
to
live
and
grieve
with
men
and
women
in
our
pews
every
sunday
who
are
living
with
the
grief
of
the
loss
of
loved
ones
through
unnecessary
violence.
B
Until
you,
like
us,
have
seen
and
experienced
unarmed
black
men
killed
unarmed
black
men,
killed
by
the
kcpd
by
our
own
brothers
and
sisters
needlessly
until
you,
like
us,
experience
the
proliferation
of
guns
and
drugs
into
our
communities
of
pawn
shops
and
liquor
stores
into
our
communities
and
yet
no
equal
protection
for
our
children.
For
our
youth,
for
our
women
for
our
wives
and
loved
ones
and
families.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
dr
howard.
We
are
very
thankful
that
you
are
here
with
us
today
and
are
excited
about
the
contribution
you're
going
to
make
to
this
broader
body.
We're
now
going
to
move
on
to
the
approval
of
last
month's
meeting
minutes.
Aj
herman
from
our
office
should
have
just
placed
a
copy
before
you.
A
A
A
D
Just
again
update
on
our
violence
trends
for
kansas
city
missouri,
our
homicides
for
2021,
as
of
yesterday,
had
78
homicide
victims
compared
to
100.
At
the
same
time,
in
2020
that's
been
trending
down
for
the
last
12
months.
That's
a
22
percent
decrease
from
the
same
time.
Last
year
for
non-fatal
shootings
for
2021.
D
As
of
yesterday,
we
were
at
278
living
shooting
victims
compared
to
340
at
the
same
time
last
year.
So
over
the
last
12
months,
that's
a
18
reduction.
We
have
seen
a
trend
here
in
july
unfortunately
seems
like
around
the
4th
of
july.
We
definitely
saw
a
large
spike
in
violence
and
through
the
first
11
days
of
july,
we've
had
37
living
shooting
victims
compared
to
22.
D
At
the
same
time,
last
year
for
comparison
in
july
of
last
year,
we
had
65
victims
total,
so
we
are
already
more
than
halfway
to
that
through
the
first
11
days.
So
we
hope
to
turn
that
around
again.
That
seems
to
have
started
around
the
4th
of
july
and
has
continued
at
a
higher
rate
than
what
we've
seen
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
D
D
I
don't
think
there
was
anything
offered
as
maybe
what
we
should
do.
I
know
dr
novak
was
kind
of
put
on
to
get
his
opinion
about
some
of
this.
I
think
my
only
rebuttal
to
that
is
that
I
think
the
audiences
are
different.
I'm
presenting
to
a
group
of
of
professionals
here
that
are
working
on
this
problem
and
have
been
working
on
this
problem,
and
so
my
the
purpose
of
mine
was
just
a
brief
update
on
data
to
show
kind
of
where
we
are
trending
over
the
last
12
months.
D
I'm
happy
to
take
that
as
far
back
as
we
want.
I
think
I
have
the
data
to
1926
on
homicides
up
here
today.
So
that's
certainly
something
we
can
entertain,
but
again
kind
of
what
was
explained
to
me.
Moving
into
this
process
was
kind
of
where
we
at
right
now.
What's
going
on
in
kansas
city,
where
are
we
trending
and
I
think
kind
of
the
last
12
months
are
a
good
picture
of
that,
and-
and
I
certainly
prefaced
everything
last
week
with
with
that
that
we
are
coming
off
of
a
record-setting
year.
D
So
we
would
certainly
hope
we
have
a
reduction
and
again,
the
big
point
out
of
last
week's
information
was
just
kind
of
showing
that
I
don't
think
personally
that
kansas
city
lives
in
a
vacuum.
I
think
we
are
a
microcosm
of
what's
going
on
in
our
nation
right
now,
and
this
has
been
a
problem
from
coast
to
coast,
small
mid-size
and
large
cities,
and
you
don't
need
to
take
my
word
for
it.
I
presented
a
couple
articles
last
week
or
last
month.
D
The
shoot
review
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
on
that
partners
in
this
room
are
helping
with
and
and
something
is,
is
different
in
kansas
city,
and
maybe
it's
just
happenstance
that
we're
one
of
the
the
few
cities
that
aren't
increasing
in
violence
over
last
year's
rate.
But
I
would
certainly
hope
it's
some
of
the
work
that
that
all
of
us
and
the
people
that
are
putting
in
a
lot
of
work
in
this
are
doing.
So.
B
D
B
B
What
can
we
do
to
provide
for
this
commission
the
racial
and
zip
code,
demographics
of
those
who
are
homicide,
victims
and
those
who
are
the
victims
of
non-fatal
shootings
b?
What
can
we
do
to
provide
the
number
of
those
who
are
repeat
victims
who
are
non-fatal
shooting
victims?
That
would
be
a
help
to
our
community
as
well
see
if
we
most
of
the
violent
crimes
and
violence
takes
place
as
a
result
of
guns
and
weapons.
B
B
B
Some
in
our
human
and
civil
rights
organizations
are
concerned
that
there
is
just
such
easy
access
and
we
believe
illegal
access,
which
is
a
law
enforcement
issue
in
kansas
city,
and
so
we're
trying
to
do
a
better
job
of
grasping
information
about
this
cycle
of
of
many
illegal
drugs
and
guns
that
are
going
on,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
detailed
data
that
I
know
that
our
community
would
like
to
have
exposure
to.
We
don't
necessarily
get
that
in
other
platforms
on
other
boards
and
commissions.
B
D
D
I
will
say
when
we
start
talking
about
finding
new
monthly
things
to
analyze
that
comes
down
to
people,
doing
the
job
and,
like
everybody,
you
know,
the
analytical
function
of
the
police
department
right
now
is
at
a
skeleton
crew
and
the
overwhelming
amount
of
those
resources.
The
the
detectives
and
the
analysts
that
work
on
this
problem
are
dedicated
to
those
investigations
and
preparing
for
shoot
review
is
a
big
big
ask
right.
D
So
some
of
these
are,
I
think,
are
pretty
simple,
I'm
not
as
a
as
knowledgeable
as
some
of
our
very
talented
analysts
on
some
of
this.
Some
of
it
just
depends
on
how
the
systems
are
set
up,
whether
they
can
just
press
some
buttons
and
get
the
data
or
whether
they've
got
to
reprogram
and
rewrite
things
to
be
able
to
do
that.
But
we
can
take
a
look
at
the
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
and
certainly
whatever
else
the
board
wants.
F
Can
I
jump
in
here
just
a
sec?
The
only
thing
that
recognize
that
may
be
most
difficult
is
a
zip
code
because
we
don't
categorize
by
zip
code.
So
that
may
be
a
reprogramming
issue,
because
we
do
not
capture
data
by
zip
code.
So
the
only
thing
I
see
in
this
that
would
be
a
lengthy
ask-
would
be
the
zip
code.
Okay,.
B
One
thank
you
chief.
One
of
the
actually
two
of
of
the
issues
related
to
the
to
the
dialogue
is
the
notion
of
you
mentioned
the
shifting
of
resources
and
so
forth,
and
one
of
the
ways
in
which
our
community
has
been
frustrated
again
in
terms
of
accountability
and
transparency
is
to
obtain
a
sense
of
exactly
line
item
expenditures
of
the
kcpd.
B
B
So
the
so
the
interjection
of
limited
funds
is
something
that
opens
up
a
whole
nother
conversation
about
how
we,
as
a
community,
who
are
being
policed,
can
get
a
better
look
at
how
funds
are
spent
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
that's
very
important
to
this
conversation.
If
we're
saying
that
funds
can
not
be
transferred
or
cannot
be
allocated
for
data
analysis,
that's
critical
to
public
safety,
then
that
means
then,
then,
let's
take
a
look
at
how
all
of
the
funds
are
spent
from
personnel,
high
level
officers
and
social
services.
B
I
know
that
we
have
a
great
request
for
great
need
to
do
intervention
work,
but
through
this
gentleman
right
here,
reverend
darren
faulkner
in
the
role
that
he
plays
and
yet
he
can't
get
funds
having
trouble
to
do
that
kind
of
intervention
work,
and
so
we
need
to
take
a
look.
I
think
at
opening
up
the
budget
allocation
information
for
the
community
who's
being
policed,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
important
thing
to
note
right
here.
D
I
appreciate
your
viewpoint:
I'm
I'm
here
to
discuss
the
violence
trends,
that's
outside
of
my
purview,
so
I'm
not
gonna
speak
to
that.
I
I
simply
am
saying
that
I
have
a
certain
amount
of
people
that
that
can
analyze
and
look
at
violence
trends,
and
that's
where
my
discussion
of
the
funds
is
going
to
stop
for
purposes
of
this
meeting.
So
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
on
violence
trends.
C
C
C
C
You
know
from
last
year,
so
those
I
don't
know
necessarily
how
helpful
that
necessarily
is
just
to
go
back
one
year.
That's
why
I
suggested,
and
our
I
didn't
suggest
dr
novak
suggested
that
you
know
that
we
do
the
five
year
rolling
average.
I
do
have
a
crime
strategies
unit
now
to
make
that
sound.
That
makes
it
sound
quite
robust,
it's
three
people
and
they
do
have
their
jobs
as
well,
and
two
of
the
three
are
on
vacation
for
the
next
two
weeks.
So
you
know
we're
we're
really
down.
C
C
A
Absolutely,
and
so
what
we
can
do
is,
after
we
kind
of
put
together
the
meetings
from
today,
the
minutes.
From
today's
meeting,
we
can
kind
of
identify
some
of
the
requested
data
categories
that
have
been
discussed
today
and
then
disseminate
that
list
to
the
board
to
see
which
one
of
our
board
members
and
their
staff
can
assist
with
getting
the
broader
body
some
of
that
information,
and
we
can
kind
of
serve
as
the
conduit
for
that
conversation
in
preparation
for
the
next
meeting.
Yes,
dr
jones,.
D
So
anybody
can
go
to
kcpd.org
right
now
and
I
think
it's
crime
and
then
crime
statistics
every
day
the
homicide
information
is
updated.
It
goes
back
five
years.
It
gives
the
breakdown
of
of
race
age,
gender.
All
the
data
in
terms
of
our
homicides,
where
we're
at
today
compared
to
last
year,
all
the
way
back
five
years
and
it
goes
into
clearances
and
and
all
of
that
and
the
lag
time
on
the
the
other
crime
reports
that
maps
everything.
I
can
check
on
that.
A
G
A
H
A
series
of
questions
relating
to
some
of
what
bishop
howard
had
said,
and
I
appreciate
having
a
subject
matter
expert
here.
I
understand
everybody
will
figure
out
a
way
that
the
data
can
be
shared.
I
think
one
thing
that
I'm
hearing
prevailing
through
all
of
the
comments
is
that
easy
to
digest
easily
shared
and
consistent
with
other
areas
you
would
seek.
H
Data
are
in
many
ways
the
best
ways
that
we
can
get
it,
and
indeed,
I
think
what
I
heard
from
the
prosecutor
was
that
she's
able
to
give
help-
probably
the
health
department
is
and
others
in
connection
with
how
we
can
aid
the
dissemination
of
that,
so
that
the
department,
the
police
department,
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
do
all
of
that
additional
work.
Every
time
we
want
to
see
trends.
H
H
H
Okay
and
then
at
the
current
time,
are
you
are
you
finding
again?
Just
generally
are
many
of
the
firearms
that
you
see
used
either
in
the
condition
of
an
aggravated
assault,
homicide.
Something
of
that
sort
are
those
stolen.
Are
those
often
reported
or
are
many
of
the
weapons
items
you're
running
into
for
the
first
time.
D
I
I
think,
and
all
that
the
the
chief
chime
in
as
well-
but
we
we
definitely
have
a
lot
of
stolen
guns.
Guns
that
are
getting
stolen
out
of
cars
has
been
a
problem.
Recently,
entertainment
districts,
that's
been
a
large
problem,
we
don't
always
recover
a
firearm,
that's
used
in
a
shooting
or
a
homicide
right.
So
so
there's
a
big
hole
in
that
data
to
know
if
the
gun
that
was
used
was
in
fact
stolen.
D
F
I
think
the
issue
becomes
that
many
stolen
guns
are
never
reported
as
stolen,
because
people
will
not
report
them
because
they've
left
them
in
their
car
and
then
they
will
not
call
the
police
when
it's
stolen.
So
we
have
a.
I
think
the
gap
in
data
really
is
that
even
the
percentage
we
come
across
is
probably
very
skewed
to
the
actual
number
of
stolen
weapons
that
are
underreported.
H
Other
question:
to
the
extent
this
is
just
going
to
be
a
broad
question
from
a
lay
person
where
most
of
the
guns
coming
from,
or
can
we
not
actually
answer
that
question?
So
simply
there
are
some
who
would
suggest,
and
indeed
I
know
the
the
atf
nationally
is
at
least
in
this
administration
trying
to
do
more
with
tracking
where
firearms
are
coming
from
those
sorts
of
things.
Do
you
see
any
broad-based
area
from
which
firearms
are
coming
or
is
it?
C
I'll
follow
up
on
that
from
the
chief's
comments.
The
chief's,
referring
to
the
second
amendment
preservation
act
that
was
signed
by
the
governor
this
summer
had
an
emergency
provision
on
it,
which
means
it
became
effective
on
the
day
the
governor
signed,
and
it
has
specific
language
in
it
about
the
tracking
of
firearms.
C
C
But
you
know
to
to
kind
of
underscore.
The
importance
of
there
was
an
under
tracking
of
stolen
weapons
prior
to
this,
the
governor
signing
of
this
bill
into
law
this
summer,
and
there
was
no
law
requiring
people
to
report
their
gun.
As
stolen
so
in
homicides
that
I
have
prosecuted,
we
often
had
a
you
know,
the
the
gun
would
be
discovered
as
being
stolen
somewhere
along
the
way,
but
that
was
only
because
investigators
went
back
and
really
tried
to
track
the
gun,
because
a
homicide
was
committed
with
it
and
that's
the
point.
D
H
Can
I
ask
one
other
question:
captain
about
youth
involved
in
violent
activity
both
as
victims
assailants,
I've
seen
some
reports,
for
example,
out
of
the
city
of
st
louis,
that
speak
to
wild
crime
trends,
have
declined
in
the
broader
public.
Mind
you
just
in
the
last
few
months,
so
not
necessarily
the
best
track.
We've
seen
increases
in
young
victims
of
homicides,
among
others.
D
D
You
know
just
going
through
all
the
prep
work
for
this
shoot
review
coming
up
tomorrow.
There's
there's
more
juveniles
on
there
on
both
sides
of
it.
So
anecdotally
it
seems
like
it.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
comparison
or
a
breakdown
of
juveniles
this
year
over
last
year
over
the
last
five
years,
but
we
can
certainly
look
into
it.
Staying
with
anecdotes.
H
D
H
F
B
F
B
B
F
B
I
Thank
you
good
to
see
everyone
today
this
morning
I'll
make
this
pretty
quick,
because
I
know
we
have
a
couple
more
items
on
the
agenda.
First,
administrative
update-
I
emailed
about
this-
I
believe
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
but
after
our
long
and
we
thought
was
resolved
discussion
of
the
longer
term
name
of
this
board,
which
we
had
been
hoping
to
use
the
name
kc360.
I
We
were
alerted
to
the
fact
that
there
may
be
there
is
a
potential
conflict
with
a
local
nonprofit
organization
that
was
preparing
to
trademark
that
name.
We've
had
a
couple
conversations
with
that
nonprofit
and
we
think
the
best
course
of
action
at
this
time
is
to
probably
choose
an
alternative
name
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
in
any
conflicts
with
that.
I
At
this
juncture
right
now,
we
don't
have
any
specific
recommendations
on
that.
So
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
take
the
implementation
committee
of
this
board.
That's
been
meeting
kind
of
on
a
bi-weekly
basis
to
talk
through
some
items
and
hopefully
come
back
to
you
at
your
next
meeting,
with
some
recommendations
on
how
to
proceed,
but
I
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
Just
to
answer
any
questions
the
board
might
have
on
that
issue
or
hear
any
other
discussion
that
may
be
needed.
I
I
Second
update
is
on
the
burn
grant
that
was
submitted
successfully
to
department
of
justice.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
a
number
of
folks
who
helped
work
on
that.
I
know.
There's
many
of
you
helped
with
the
mou
and
melissa
helped
draft
that
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
know
some
folks
in
the
prosecutor's
office
and
kcpd
were
very
helpful
in
writing.
I
The
grant
mike
mancer
specifically
and
then
dr
novak,
as
well,
provided
a
lot
of
input
in
the
technical
proposal,
as
well
as
some
city
staff
in
our
neighborhoods
department,
who
helped
actually
with
the
submission
and
putting
everything
together
and
then
also
some
folks
in
the
room
on
the
budget
and
resumes.
So
it
really
was
a
team
effort.
We
should
be
hearing
back
on
that
grant
in
september.
I
I
The
last
item
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
update
on
is
the
funding
report.
We
alluded
to
this
a
little
bit
and
talked
about
it.
Some
of
your
last
meeting
situation
is
largely
the
same,
and
I
believe
I
sent
out
the
latest
funding
report
too
and
with
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we
still
have
kind
of
a
september
drop
dead
date
for
lack
of
a
better
word
for
the
client
advocate
funding.
I
I
know
conversations
are
ongoing
and
there
has
been
we're,
hoping
by
your
next
meeting,
to
have
an
update
on
more
specifics
about
whether
we
will
be
able
to
find
a
bridge
bridge
funding
source
that
will
at
least
give
us
a
few
more
months
that
will
enable
us
to
at
least
learn
if
we've
received
the
burn
grant
or
not
and
bring
in.
Obviously
it
would
be
many
years
worth
of
funding.
I
We
also
were
able
to
confirm,
at
least
from
the
city
side,
that
there
is
jag
funding
available
for
two
client
advocates
for
at
least
a
couple
of
more
years
that
has
yet
to
be
spent,
so
that
is
at
least
some
sorts
of
funds.
The
delta
between
the
jag
funds
that
are
available
and
the
total
cost
of
darren's
client
advocate
programs
is
around
20
000
a
month.
I
C
For
a
second
to
say,
I
potentially
have
some
funds
that
that
could
go
to
the
client
advocates
to
help
fund
that
gap
for
the
rest
of
the
year,
and
so
it
would
just
be
one-time
funds.
I
have
a
bureaucratic
process
to
go
through,
so
I'm
still
going
through
that,
but
we'll
have
a
better
update
on
that
next
time.
D
A
As
most
of
you
all
know,
missouri
ranks
amongst
the
highest
states
in
the
country
with
recidivism,
meaning
that
the
majority
of
the
individuals
that
enter
the
criminal
justice
system
will
re-enter
at
some
point
and
the
amazing
work
that
ms
candice
wesson
does
aims
to
try
to
reduce
some
of
that
negative
impact
in
the
community.
So
candace.
If
you
could,
please
take
the
floor
and
let
us
know
about
the
help,
casey
and
kind
of
what
some
of
the
biggest
challenges
you
face.
Working
in
this
field.
J
Good
morning
again,
as
previously
mentioned,
I
am
candace
wesson,
the
founder
and
director
of
the
help.
Kc,
we
are
a
501c3
local,
not-for-profit
here
in
kansas
city,
that
offers
re-entry
support
to
formerly
incarcerated,
convicted
women,
and
the
organization
was
founded
based
off
of
my
experience
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
I
myself,
along
with
two
other
individuals,
were
convicted
in
the
federal
court
for
the
tax
crime.
J
All
of
us
was
first-time
non-violent
offenders,
whereas
we
thought
that
there
were
other
alternatives,
because
we
do
know
that
most
of
our
prison
institutions,
our
prison
population,
is
overpopulated
with
non-violent
offenders,
so
the
handout
that
I
gave.
You
is
pretty
much
just
a
brief
overview,
one
pager
of
what
we
do,
how
we
do
what
we
do
when
some
of
the
numbers,
our
data
for
2020.
J
J
So
when
you're
dealing
with
all
of
that,
and
women
have
to
deal
with
that
trauma
along
with
the
trauma
of
being
incarcerated
and
being
away
from
their
children,
because
we
do
know
that
most
46
percent
of
the
women
that
are
incarcerated
have
children
that
are
ages,
18
and
under
and
80
percent
of
those
women
who
are
incarcerated
are
single
parents
or
single
mothers.
So
they
are
the
head
of
their
households.
J
So
when
you
have
all
of
that
trauma-
and
you
transfer
it
back
into
your
our
communities,
you
have
to
have
services
readily
available
for
people
that
are
transitioning
back
into
our
community.
So
that
is
where
the
help
was
created.
I
was
able
to
I
started
out
in
the
federal
institution.
I
was
transferred
to
a
state
prison.
I
was
transferred
because
I
they
wanted
me
to
participate
in
a
baby
program.
J
J
There
was
poor
programming.
Some
inmates,
like
myself,
was
told
that,
because
our
sentences
were
so
short
that
we
didn't
qualify
for
programming,
so
there
was
no
rehabilitative
services.
For
me,
there
was
nothing
there
to
help
to
help
me.
So
then,
returning
back
to
kansas
city
to
a
halfway
house
here
in
kansas
city,
the
case
manager,
the
name
of
the
game
was
get
a
job,
get
a
job,
get
a
job,
find
employment,
or
I'm
going
to
send
you
back.
So
I'm
thinking
to
myself
you're
a
case
manager.
J
So
I'm
thinking
that
you're
supposed
to
help
right,
but
that
wasn't
the
case.
They
use
their
power
to
kind
of
intimidate
us
by
saying
we'll
send
you
back.
If
you
don't
do
x,
y
z,
well,
the
problem
with
that
is,
if
you're
dealing
with
people
like
myself,
who
was
not
used
to
being
rejected
from
employment
or
those
who
don't
know
how
to
go
and
look
for
employment
and
how
to
how
to
handle
the
the
conversation
of,
were
you
convicted
of
a
felony.
J
J
I
wanted
to
create
not
only
a
safe
haven
but
to
create
an
environment
where
women
can
actually
get
the
help,
and
we
can
actually
find
solutions
to
these
type
of
questions,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
are
all
in
a
cultural
state,
whether
we
acknowledge
it,
whether
we
turned
a
blind
eye
and
a
deaf
ear
to
deaf
ear
to
it,
we're
all
in
a
cultural
state.
When
you
look
at
the
data,
you
have
95
percent
of
men
and
women
that
are
in
prison.
J
They
will
one
day
return
home,
whether
that's
tomorrow,
whether
that's
next
year
or
five
years
from
now,
so
we
all
have
a
a
part
to
play
and
we
all
have
a
part
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
You
know
dealing
with
women
that
their
trauma
came
from.
Prison
now
is
back
into
the
communities.
I
wanted
to
create
an
environment
where
we
deal
with
that
trauma.
We
hold
different
women
support
groups.
We
wanted
them
to
know
that
they
have
a
support
system,
because
my
I
myself,
I
had
a
support
system
coming
home.
J
I
had
a
car,
I
had
a
home,
but
that's
not
the
story
for
each
and
every
woman
that
is
coming
out
of
the
institutions,
so
I
wanted
them
to
know
that
they
have
a
support
system
in
us.
Not
only
that
I
wanted
them
to
know
who
they
are,
because
when
we're
dealing
when
you're
behind
the
wall-
you're
not
referred
to
as
your
name,
I
was
not
referred
to.
As
my
name
I
was
referred
to
as
a
number
when
I
had
to
navigate
throughout
the
systems
and
throughout
the
facility.
J
I
had
to
reference
a
number,
not
my
name.
So
when
these
women
are
getting
back
reclaiming
their
citizenship
and
they're
coming
back
into
their
community,
the
part
of
my
job
is
to
let
them
know
who
they
actually
are,
and
that
is
a
woman
with
a
felony
conviction,
a
person
with
a
felony
conviction
or
a
citizen.
J
We
there's
some
language
as
that
you
know
all
of
us
have
a
part
to
play
and
even
something
as
simple
as
language,
using
the
terms
felon
ex-offender
ex-con,
convict
things
of
that
nature,
those
things
matter
when
it
comes
to
successful
re-entry
those
those
labels
they're
not
even
used
in
my
office.
I
don't
even
allow
it
and
if
you
have
a
conversation
with
me
and
you
use
the
terms
ex-offender
failing,
I
will
correct
you
because
the
culture
shift
had
to
come
from
somewhere,
and
I
believe
that
it
has.
J
We
offer
as
many
services
well.
My
goal
was
to
meet
as
many
needs
for
these
women,
as
I
poss
possibly
could
looking
at
the
data.
It
shows
you
that
employment,
housing
health
care,
all
of
those
things
were
important
when
it
came
to
women
reacclimating
back
into
their
communities,
not
to
mention
we
have
women
that
are
in
for
a
huge
fight
when
they
were
in
prison.
Their
children
were
taken
so
now
they
have
to
figure
out
ways
to
regain
the
custody
of
their
children.
J
We
are
connecting
and
partnering
with
other
institutions,
other
organizations
locally,
regionally
and
nationally
to
bring
about
change
when
it
comes
to
formerly
incarcerated
women,
not
so
much
firmly
incarcerated
women,
but
reentry
as
a
whole.
If
you
look
at
the
data
most
of
your
convictions,
most
of
the
convictions
that
came
into
my
office
were
drug
convictions.
J
J
The
drug
war
to
me,
in
my
opinion,
didn't
do
anything
but
incarcerate
your
black
and
brown
people,
and
so
that
is,
we
bear
the
responsibility
to
bring
about
change.
So
again,
if
there's
we
are
looking
to
partner
with
or
other
organizations
if
our
population
of
people
is
someone
that
you're
willing
to
help,
or
are
you
willing
to
give
your
input
or
things
like
that?
We
welcome
you
with
open
arms.
I'm
sorry.
I
did
not
put
the
contact
information
on
here,
but
if
you
look
us
up,
you,
google
us
you
will
find
our
information.
J
We
are
located
at
31,
west
31st
street,
in
kansas
city
and
again
we
welcome
you
any
input
that
you
have
as
far
as
women
returning
home.
If
there's
anything
that
I
can
help
you
with
or
if
you
just
want,
because
we
do
have
quarterly
empowerment
session.
So
if
there
was
something
that
you
want
to
come
in
and
share,
I
welcome
that
as
well,
and
that
is
all
I
have
and
I
didn't
put
you
to
sleep.
I
promise.
H
K
H
J
You
know
actually
word
had
gotten
out
in
some
of
the
prisons
as
well.
I
don't
know
how,
but
it
did.
I
believe
it
was
some
of
the
articles
that
we
were
putting
in
the
kansas
city
called
newspaper
and
families
send
their
loved
ones
that
are
incarcerated
the
newspapers,
so
they
came
to
us
on
a
positive
note
and
ashley.
J
I
appreciate
them
for
that,
because
some
of
the
women
reached
out
to
us,
like
six
months,
six
to
eight
months
prior
to
them
being
released
and
that
kind
of
helps
us
kind
of
gauge
their
case
plan
to
see
what
it
is
that
they're
needing
and
things
like
that.
So
most
of
the
women
yeah
they
come
to
us
on
a
positive
note
and
they're
looking
for
resources,
and
so-
and
the
problem
is,
is
that
I'm
just
speaking
about
women?
J
This
has
you
still
have
a
whole
another
population
of
men
that
need
the
same
thing,
because
you
know
society
has
told
them
that
they
don't
have
trauma
and
that's
not
true,
also
you're
dealing
with
pigs
post
incarcerated
syndrome.
That
is
a
real
thing,
that
is
a
mental
illness
that
both
men
and
women
deal
with.
K
E
A
E
E
So
before
you
leave
today,
let's
exchange
and
get
information
so
that
it
won't
be
just
word
of
mouth,
it
will
be
that
we
can
put
a
face
to
a
name
put
you
in
a
room
when
these
women
are
coming
out
and
we
have
some
probation
officers
in
the
room
always
seeking
resources
for
clients,
and
we
can
have
your
information
readily
available.
So
it
won't
just
be
a
walk-in.
It
would
be
a
positive
contact
along
with
having
that
direct
connect
with
you,
absolutely
yeah.
A
F
Much
I
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
I
think
this
is
an
area
where
we
can
do
immediate
work
that
we
can
do
good
work
is
reentry,
and
I
know
the
crime
commission
also
tackles
this
topic
a
little
bit,
but
I,
I
think,
there'd
be
opportunity
for
some
coordination
and
and
just
like
in
this
particular
instance
where
people
are
automatically
referred
rather
than
hearing
it.
B
A
A
L
Good
morning,
my
name
is
dan:
nelson,
I'm,
the
chief
deputy
prosecutor
at
jackson,
county,
it's
a
privilege
to
be
here
and
to
talk
to
this
group.
I'm
substituting
today
for
henry
chapman
who's,
our
data
analyst
and
and
really
heads
up
the
work
that
gene
was
describing
at
our
crime
strategies
unit.
We
were
very
fortunate
to
hire
him
from
the
manhattan
new
york
district
attorney's
ivanza's
office,
where
he
worked
in
their
crime
strategies
unit
and
we've
really
tried
to
take
this
opportunity.
L
L
L
We
get
a
lot
of
bi-bus
cases
specifically,
which
is
one
of
the
categories
that
I'll
talk
about
where
we
thought
some
of
the
outcomes
were
really
poor
and
just
to
be
frank,
our
outcomes
on
low-level
drug
cases,
which
is
most
of
our
drug
cases,
are
poor,
and
this
is
despite
putting
most
more
prosecutors
on
drug
cases
in
those
units
because
of
the
volume
than
any
other
unit.
We,
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
really
drove
our
need
to
understand
and
really
get
inside
this
data
from
kcpd.
L
L
You
can
see
the
lighter
number
is
kcpd
drug
lead,
charge.
Cases
referred
to
this
office
and
then
the
remainder
of
kcpd
cases
is
the
number
below.
So
you
can
see
from
2017
on
the
left
to
2020
on
the
right.
It's
it's
a
large
percentage.
2019
is
the
category
we
were
looking
at
because
we
were
fully
functioning
in
that
year
for
trials
and
for
charging
and
for
everything
in
2020
was
more
limited,
kcpd
drug
cases
versus
all
jackson,
county
referrals.
L
So
from
all
of
our
23
law
enforcement
partners,
you
can
see
what
a
large
volume
it
is
of
these
cases
that
we're
talking
about
the
drug
cases
coming
out
of
kansas
city.
I'd
like
to
also
give
you
another
orienting
point:
we're
not
talking
about
all
the
drug
cases
in
kansas
city,
we're
talking
about
all
the
drug
cases
referred
to
our
office,
not
to
the
municipal
prosecutor
who
may
handle
some.
L
L
Historically,
our
strategy
has
been
wherever
you
find
drugs
you'll
find
violence.
I
use
the
royal
we
I'm
talking
about
prosecutors
and
police
in
you
know,
since
the
launch
of
the
war
on
drugs
in
1972,
even
the
federal
law,
it's
baked
in
there's
an
assumption
in
federal
law
that,
where
you
find
drugs,
you
will
find
violence
and
we
wondered
and
expected
that
we
would
find
a
correlation
and
really
wanted
to
examine,
given
the
cases
submitted
to
us.
L
What's
the
violence
nexus,
because
these
are
the
cases
that
we
really
want
to
be
focusing
on
right
if
we
have
a
chance
to
interrupt
a
cycle
of
violence,
we'll
take
any
inroad
into
interrupting
that
cycle
of
violence.
But
we
wanted
to
understand
this
huge
mass
of
cases.
What's
the
violence
nexus
in
jackson,
county
to
preview,
we
found
only
eight
percent
of
drug
possession
cases
involved
the
weapon.
L
These
are
most
of
the
cases
that
we're
talking
about
in
jackson
county.
I
think,
from
april
one
of
this
year
until
through
the
end
of
may,
we
received
several
hundred
cases
and
99
this
year
were
drug
possession
cases
so
and
we
had
like
four
trafficking
cases,
so
at
least
right
now
we're
really
looking
at
possession
cases
coming
in
and
not
other
drug
crimes
for
the
most
part
out
of
all
drug
defense
in
jackson,
county
approximately
25
percent
had
a
known
link
to
firearms
or
violence,
and
that's
either.
L
The
the
the
person
with
the
bag
that
the
drug
dog
hits
on
consent
gives
consent
to
search
the
bag
that
has
drugs
in
it.
If
the
drugs
are
heroin
goes
up
the
street
to
the
u.s
attorney's
office.
If
the
drugs
are
weed
comes
down
to
jackson,
county
with
some
exceptions,
we
do
get
some
other
cases
in
interdiction.
L
One
key
thing
that
we
noticed
and
well
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second
here's
an
example.
I
won't
go
into
the
actual
probable
cause
statement.
So
what
henry
did
he?
He
he's
a
yale
graduate?
He
can
write
python
scripts,
so
he
wrote
a
python
script,
that
scraped
all
5000,
plus
pc
statements,
and
we
he
wrote
programs
that
analyze
keywords
and
then
he
verified
the
data
by
going
on
the
back
and
checking
it.
L
L
That
is
not
getting
off
the
bus
at
kansas
city,
but
sitting
on
the
bus
using
the
restroom
sitting
on
the
train
when
their
bags
are
pulled
off
so
for
the
most
part,
we're
talking
about
people
from
west
of
here
east
of
here
taking
drugs
to
the
opposite
to
the
opposite
side,
top
10
states,
the
kcpd
interdiction,
defendants.
California
is
the
biggest
one
colorado
and
missouri
are
next,
then
illinois,
ohio,
kansas
was
their
gun
recovered
in
2017.
L
In
four
percent
of
cases
interdiction
cases
a
gun
was
recovered
in
96
percent
of
cases
no
gun
in
2019
henry's
sample
did
not
find
a
gun
that
was
recovered
possible
that
there
was,
but
there's
not
many
in
any
case,
and
he
he
was
not
able
to
through
his
sample
of
twenty
percent,
find
one,
I'm
sure
that
there
probably
were
a
couple
despite
being
13
of
the
us
population.
Let's
look
at
the
broader
context.
Suspects
black
suspects
were
55
of
interdiction,
referrals,
that's
just
for
the
most
part.
L
People
of
lesser
means
are
muelling
these
drugs
that
are
coming
to
the
jackson
county
in
in
turns
in
terms
of
cases
and
there's
a
racial
correlation
to
that
we're
not
suggesting
that
anybody's
being
targeted.
You
know
per
se,
but
we're
saying
that's
the
effect
that
the
negative
racial
disparity
is
an
effect
that
the
data
shows
coming
out
of
these
cases.
Despite
using
and
dealing
at
the
same
rates
across
racial
groups,
white
defendants
were
only
32
percent.
L
Did
detectives
recover
marijuana
in
2019?
The
answer
in
introduction
cases
was
94.
Yes
in
2017
it
was
76.
Yes,
no
marijuana
in
six
percent
in
2019
and
24
2017.
did
detectives
recover
any
hard
drugs
that
is
hard
drugs
in
any
amount
such
maybe
it
could
be.
10
pounds
of
marijuana
and
a
small
baggie
with
cocaine,
residue
or
or
similar
in
2019
hard
drugs
were
recovered,
25
of
the
time
in
jackson,
county
cases
in
any
amount
in
2017,
32
percent
of
the
time,
so
the
vast
majority
no
hard
drugs
in
any
amount.
L
So
we're
really
talking
about
the
vast
majority
of
marijuana
cases
did
detectives,
apply
for
a
search
warrant,
no
consent,
search,
81
72
to
81
percent
of
time,
consent
search,
and
I
think
that
suggests
a
level
of
sophistication
is
somewhat
absent,
that
these
are
unlikely
defendants
to
target
and
be
able
to
flip
up
the
chain
to
a
drug
cartel
right.
These
are
not
people
who
are
super
sophisticated
in
the
criminality.
L
L
A
warrant
was
obtained.
There's
no
fourth,
amendment
issue:
if
the
drugs
in
the
bag
test
dirty
then
boom,
we
got
a
case
right
and
if
they
true
market,
we
can
test
that
day
and
verify
testing
on
the
you
know
through
lab
resources.
On
the
back
end,
so
87
cases
were
filed,
which
is
a
huge
percentage
file
filing.
I
think
overall,
typically,
our
office
is
about
72
percent
ballpark
for
for
filing
across
cases,
let's
see,
49
cases
were
disposed
out
of
those
98
out
of
those.
L
Only
one
person
received
a
prison
sentence
of
greater
than
one
year.
One
person
out
of
98
referred
cases
received
in
2017
a
prison
sentence
of
greater
than
one
year.
That
suggests
to
me
that
the
these
are
misplaced.
Coming
into
our
criminal
justice
system
right.
The
criminal
justice
system
is
not
valuing
these
cases.
In
terms
of
saying
we
value
placing
they're
not
going
into
drug
court
either
because
they're
not
qualifying
for
drug
court.
L
They
don't
live
here
and
let's
see,
there
are
15
terms
of
less
than
one
year
to
pay
to
find
22,
sis
or
ses.
That's
a
suspended
imposition
or
exposition
sentence,
only
one
backup,
greater
five
years.
So
we're
talking
about
pretty
minor
results,
seven
cases
dismissed
or
no
prost,
only
one
to
drug
court,
so
the
courts
are
not
good.
We
had
38
active
warrants
as
of
last
september
from
2017
cases
where
we
spent
all
these
resources
to
charge
this
person.
L
Eventually
they
get
out
on
bond
because
in
jackson,
county
there's
only
you
know
700
some
authorized
bed
space.
So
if
you're
looking
at
a
violent
defendant
or
a
drug
defendant,
all
the
drug
defendants
are
being
are
out
on
bond
because
they
simply
never
rise
to
the
level
of
taking
that
party
sure
they're
risk
of
flight.
If
they
live
in
california,
right
sure,
they're
risk
of
flight,
but
the
judges
don't
have
a
bed
for
them
and
and
do
not
put
them
there.
L
So
the
concept
of
trying
to
interrupt
violence
you
know
for
wherever
their
destination
is
bound
is,
is
not
very
realistic.
So
38
out
of
those
98
cases
are
still
in
warrant
status.
They've
never
come
back
to
face
charges.
We
don't
put
a
nationwide
warrant
on
a
marijuana
charge
from
a
greyhound
bus
right.
We
do
a
warrant,
that's
in
a
continuous
state,
a
contiguous
state.
At
most,
so
most
of
these
folks
just
are
a
large
percentage
not
most
are
in
the
wind
and
never.
L
Never
face
their
charges
if
they,
if
they're,
not
speeding
in
kansas
city
pulled
over,
they
live
in
california,
they're
not
going
to
be
they're
not
coming
on
these
warrants.
They're.
Eventually
cases
go
away.
Let's
see
how
often
do
cases
go
to
drug
court.
I
won't
go
into
it,
but
we
didn't
find
that
many
of
them
did
like
eight
percent
partial
interdiction.
Well,
these
are
drugs
that
are
bound
for
kansas
city
right.
L
Probably
picture
because
they're
doing
the
significant
amounts
that
are
coming
through
in
the
mail
as
well
by
busting
possession
fact
pattern
kcpd,
undercover
detective
approaches
like
there's,
usually
a
call
for
service
or
there's
somebody
who's
come
up
through
intelligence.
That
there's
reason
to
believe
that
this
person
is
dealing
drugs.
Undercover
approaches
tries
to
buy
marijuana,
tries
to
elevate
that
to
a
more
serious
substance
like
cocaine
like
methamphetamine
but
and
then
cells
at
least
three
times.
Sometimes
it's
seven
times,
sometimes
it's
nine
times
as
they
try
to
build
that
trust.
L
To
get
up
to
a
more
you
know,
valued
prohibited
scheduled
substance
and
then
often
a
search
warrant's
executed
on
the
house,
whether
it's
marijuana
or
whether
it's
more
another
fact
pattern
for
possession
is
typically
that
in
a
high
crime,
neighborhood
there's
either
call
for
service
or
a
traffic
stop,
and
then
somebody
who's
implicated.
In
that
situation
either
gives
consent
to
search
purse
consent
to
search
car
and
drugs
are
found,
or
you
know,
if
they're
in
somebody's
house
and
a
call
for
service
drugs
are
spotted
most
jackson.
L
County
drug
defendants
are
not
violent,
so
this
is
a
really
cool
chart
that
henry
would
explain
to
you
better
than
me,
but
the
green
dots,
which
you
probably
can't
see
well,
that
small
are
defendants.
The
blue
dots
are
cases
that
are
not
violent
gun.
The
red
dots
are
they're
connected.
This
defendant
is
connected
either
through
this
current
case
or
a
prior
case
in
the
prior
five
years
to
a
violent
or
gun
case
out
of
595
total
cases.
L
L
So
this
thing
that
we've
been
operating
under
basically
since
the
70s
that,
where
you
find
drugs,
you
will
find
violence
does
not
it's
not
true,
at
least
with
the
subset
of
our
cases.
It's
a
minority
of
our
set
of
cases.
There
are
some
cases,
but
it's
not
a
majority
of
the
cases.
It's
certainly
not
all
like
this
kind
of
false
presumption
that
law,
enforcement's
endeavored
on
for
a
long
time,
would
suggest
average
time
from
investigation
to
start
a
probable
cause.
Drafting
these
buy
bus
cases
move
very
slowly.
L
There's
a
lot
of
repeated
buys
could
be,
could
be,
three
buys
could
be,
10
buys,
but
you
know
there's
a
whole
lot.
There
might
be
trash,
pulls,
there's
probably
search
warrant
obtained
for
the
house,
usually,
but
there's
a
lot
of
resources
so
we're
talking
about
in
2017
the
average
time
from
an
investigation
start
to
pc
drafting
probable
cost
drafting
was
130
days
in
2019.
It
was
68
days,
so
these
are
very
slow.
Moving
cases.
L
And
then
you
know
it's
the
same
on
the
back
end
probable
cause
drafting
to
referral
17
days
16
days
and
then
average
time
for
referral
to
filing
135
days
in
2017,
which
is
pretty
slow
2019.
It
was
86
days
lots
of
charge
by
bus
cases
are
later
dismissed
out
of
726
disposed
cases.
The
entire
case
was
dismissed
213
times.
L
L
This
is
despite
the
population
of
jackson.
County
kansas
city
is
39
percent,
african-american,
disparate
racial
outcomes,
nationally
black
americans
and
we've
referenced
this
already
black
americans.
We
know
statistically
there's
many
many
sites
on
this
for
the
internet
from
data
sources,
but
are
about
four
times
more
likely
to
be
arrested
for
marijuana
than
their
white
peers.
Despite
about
equal
rates
of
usage
and
dealing
nationally,
black
americans
make
up
30
percent
of
all
drug
arrests,
despite
being
only
13
of
users.
L
Where
do
we
look
for
drugs
in
kansas
city?
Well,
marijuana
and
other
drugs
are
everywhere.
The
studies
suggest
that
85
of
high
school
seniors
report
would
be
easy
for
them
to
buy
marijuana,
55
cocaine,
so
police
could
find
wheat
oxy
meth.
Well,
maybe
not
meth,
but
weed
oxycocaine.
You
know
most
places,
but
where
do
we
look
for
it?
Well,
it's
how
these
cases
originate
that
results
in
these
outcomes
overwhelmingly.
In
our
cases
some
cases
submitted
to
us.
The
majority
of
drug
possession
cases
occurred
south
of
independence,
avenue
and
east
of
troost.
L
L
I
can
send
that
for
examination.
I
want
to
get
through
resource
problem.
Well,
drug
cases
are
expensive,
so
we
wanted
to
look
at
the
cost
and
the
opportunity
cost.
We
have
so
many
lawyers
who
are
staffed
to
drug
units
and
we're
getting
these
horrible
outcomes,
for
example,
in
the
interdiction
one
prison
term
of
a
year
or
greater
out
of
98
submitted
cases
in
2017..
L
Why
are
we
doing
that?
Why
are
we
not
especially
when
there's
negative
outcomes
from
pursuing
that
huge
net
full
of
people
that
are
coming
into
the
system
right?
Is
there
a
way
to
send
some
of
those
people
other
places?
Is
there
a
way
to
find
out
in
that
net
what
cases
are
valued
by
the
courts
where
we're
the
right
place,
where
the
state
or
a
state
felony
charge
right
a
state
felony
charge.
A
serious
charge
has
a
big
impact
on
people's
lives.
L
If
we're
not
getting
a
good
outcome
from
it
from
a
criminal
justice
perspective,
why
are
we
bringing
so
many
people
into
this
net
to
have
all
these
negative
externalities
that
undermine
so
many
other
things?
Every
resource
spent
on
weight
focused
drug
investigations
is
not
spent
on
investigating
violence.
L
Well
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
sec
over
surveilling
communities
about
drug
results.
Also,
studies
suggest
results
in
community.
Friction.
Common
sense
does
too
if
people
feel
like
they're
being
targeted
and
for
drugs
for
especially
minor
and
then
arrested
for
one
pill
of
oxy.
For
you
know,
minor
amounts
of
user
possession
cases
which
are
a
huge
percentage
of
our
cases.
L
This
results
in
community
friction
because
people
are
being
arrested
in
certain
parts
of
town,
more
often
they're
being
arrested.
Others
again,
that's
not
we're.
That's
not
law
enforcement's
going
out
trying
to
arrest
people
there.
That's
where
calls
for
service
are
that's
where
police
are
trying
to
interrupt
and
prevent
the
red
dots
of
violence
that
plague
neighborhoods,
but
while
we're
there,
we
have
this
negative
touch.
People
come
up
to
us
in
community
meetings
and
say,
while
you're
in
our
neighborhood,
you
arrest
our
kids
and
charge
them
with
weed
possession.
L
Felonies
right
I
mean
that's
a
true
statement.
They
say
it
doesn't
happen
up
in
north
kansas
city,
school
district.
That
doesn't
happen
other
places
in
kansas
city,
so
on
the
scale
right
on
the
scale.
Does
this
friction
cause
less
cooperation
in
violent
crimes?
Cases
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
we
know
the
friction
is
there
and
I
can't
imagine
that
it
helps
and
I
think
it's
something
we
all
should
be
mindful
of
so
we're
looking
in
jackson,
county
for
a
new
way
forward
and
we've
actually
now
drafted
guidelines.
L
I
met
with
several
drug
commanders
and
other
folks
from
kcpd,
and
we
hammered
out
some
ideas
for
draft
policy
that
ultimately
is
still
somewhat
in
flux,
but
jackson
county's
anyway
has
adopted
it
and
we're
focused
on
violence,
nexus
and
community
disruption.
Importantly
through
the
psp
effort
with
the
feds,
I
was
privileged
to
go
to
tampa
to
milwaukee
to
l.a
I
went
to
new
york.
I
went
to
the
national
psp
conference
and
we
talked
with
people
about
drug
cases
right
this
old
model
of
focusing
on
drug
weight.
L
That's
how
the
statutes
are
written,
that's
how
we
continue
to
enforce,
but
what
we
were
told
time
and
time
again
tampa
went
from
worst
to
first
right
they
went
from
a
top
a
bottom
10,
dangerous
city
to
a
top
10
safe
city,
from
about
12
2001
to
2021.
So
we
said,
how
did
you
do
that?
And
they
said
every
drug
case
that
we
open
has
a
violence
nexus.
L
We
do
not
have
time
to
open
drug
cases
against
individuals
who
don't
have
a
known,
demonstrative,
articulable
violence
nexus,
because
we
want
to
put
those
resources
otherwise,
other
places
now
we'll
make
exceptions.
We've
had
an
od
overdose
epidemic
here,
so
we're
making
exceptions
for
drugs
and
people
in
that
chain
that
are
harming
and
killing.
So
many
people
in
our
city
so
right
it
can
be
flexible,
but
violence
next
is
required.
We
went
to
milwaukee,
they
said
the
same
thing:
violence
nexus
required
to
open
a
drug
case
also,
but
in
in
kansas
city.
L
The
right
model
for
us
does
not
feel
like.
It
should
be
only
a
violence
nexus
right.
What
about
the
grandmother?
Who
calls
and
says
my
four-year-old
cannot
ride
his
big
wheel
down
the
street
on
my
street
because
there's
a
drug
dealer
next
door
and
there's
nefarious
characters
coming
in
and
out
and
our
whole
neighborhood
is?
Is
you
know
disrupted
and
safety
is
disrupted?
And
my
kid
can't
play
right,
kansas
city
police
department
and
they
value
those
calls
wherever
they
come
from
in
town,
and
I
know
that
to
be
true.
L
I've
seen
the
dedication
of
these
officers
and
they
go
to
where
that
problem
is,
and
they
want
to
go,
have
a
positive
effect
and
we
want
to
back
those
up.
We
want
to
back
those
up
in
the
jackson
county
prosecutor's
office,
because
that
is
important
and
it's
important
for
us
to
try
to
interrupt
that
situation.
Perhaps
neighborhood
accountability
boards,
perhaps
models
that
have
been
used
in
other
jurisdictions
are
a
intermediate
even
or
definitely
a
long-term
solution
to
fill
that
gap.
L
That
can
be
hassled.
That
can
be.
You
know,
they're
incentivized,
to
hurt
or
silence
those
people,
so
they
don't
testify
against
them,
but
their
upcoming
assault
trial
right.
So
but
this
old
presumption
is
that,
oh,
we
can
lock
the
people
up,
even
if
they
have
a
violence
nexus,
probably
not
there's
very
few
people.
L
You
know
there's
130,
usually
folks
in
the
jackson
county
jail,
who
you
know,
have
have
warrants
failures
to
appear
15
times
10
times,
and
the
court
will
go
out
and
arrest
him
for
all
kinds
of
charges
to
bring
them
in
because
they
just
simply
won't
go
and
they're
interrupting
the
whole
system
right,
but
other
than
that
category
of
people
weren't
failure
to
appear,
there's
almost
no
drug
cases
in
jacksonville
milwaukee's
site
visit.
I
already
kind
of
told
you
about
that
and
I'm
running
late.
L
You
know
the
the
milwaukee
pd
captain
I
thought
was
funny.
You
know
he
asked
and
somebody
guessed
from
kcpd
that
they
had
132
full-time
employees
facing
drug
or
narcotic
investigation
and
at
the
time
there
were
only
12
detectives
on
assault
squad
that
was
handling
six
thousand
handling.
Six
thousand
assaults,
including
you
know,
500,
to
650
non-fatal
shootings
a
year
and
they
had
12
detectives
staffed
on
it
and
they
said
man
you
guys
are
chasing
the
kilo
ferry
down
in
kansas
city
like
how
do
you
have
resources
to
do
that?
L
L
How
are
you
going
to
drive
down
violence
if
you
spent
all
your
time
and
resources
charging
people
with
drug
possession,
and
he
explained
that
sometimes
communities
nationally
have
become
kind
of
hooked
on
drug
investigations,
because
oftentimes
there's
matching
federal
grants
that
go
50
50
with
a
lot
of
those
positions?
So
if
you
turn,
you
can't
simply
pluck
a
drug
position
oftentimes
and
put
it
in
a
violence-facing
squad
right.
L
So
I
won't
speak
for
the
police
department
on
on
that
point.
I'm
sure
they
have
more
precise
data
on
that,
but
there
are
real
challenges
and
it's
hard
to
say
to
to
turn
down
funds.
But
if
we're
pointed
in
the
wrong
way,
that's
I
don't
think
that
it's
132
today,
I
don't
know
what
that
number
is.
Who
are
you
know
detectives,
and
you
know,
resources
in
narcotics
facing
specific
squads,
but
it
it's
still
much
higher.
You
know
to
kcpd's
extreme
credit.
L
They
were
very
responsive
to
this
and
when
the
data
came
back
from
milwaukee,
among
other
reasons,
kcpd
doubled
the
size
of
assault
squad
from
12
to
24,
and
I
would
I'd
give
them
credit
for
that.
For
that
greatly,
my
napkin
math
at
the
time
suggested
that
if
we
emulated
milwaukee,
who
had
really
good
results
and
turn
around
with
this
violence
focus,
you
know
that
they
would
have
about
33
for
our
population
size
that
was
literally
napkin
math.
So
I
think
they
were
staffed
even
a
little
bit
greater.
L
Definitely
in
the
short
term,
we've
adopted
this
policy,
there's
still
some
question
about
whether
kcpd
will
continue
to
work
up
all
the
way
to
probable
cause
statements
and
sometimes
with
lab
testing
cases
that
are
going
to
be
submitted
that
are
clearly
not
meeting
the
strictures
of
this
policy.
That's
an
ongoing
discussion.
I
hope
we
can
continue
that
discussion.
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
issue.
I
think
everybody
does-
and
I
do
believe
everybody's.
L
It
was
a
kid
going
from
west
coast
to
east
and
he
had
a
kid.
You
know
he
was
1920
kind
of
a
kid,
but
a
by
the
law
adult
he
had
10
pounds
of
marijuana
in
his
bag
in
his
duffel
and
the
drug
dog
hit
on
it.
They
pulled
him
off
and,
and
he
wound
up
getting
charged
with
the
10
pounds
of
marijuana
at
the
time.
I
think
our
policy
was
a
hundred
grams.
That
was
our
where
we
would
charge
and
we
definitely
charged
it
to
10
pounds.
L
That's
like
24
000
street
value.
I
I'm
a
nerd,
I'm
not
sure
what
that
is,
but
it's
it's
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
of
marijuana,
and
so
when
it
finally
worked
its
way,
you
know
over
years
to
court,
a
young
prosecutor
was
gonna.
Take
it
in
and
gene
said,
let's
send
our
best
prosecutor
in
our
best
trial
prosecutor,
a
person
who
usually
does
child
murders.
Teresa
crane
went
in
and
tried
to
seat
that
jury
to
see
it
will
a
jackson,
county,
jury,
even
seat.
L
Can
you
even
seat
a
panel
in
jackson,
county
off
a
weed
possession
case,
even
24
thousand
dollars
worth
of
weed
and
she's
our
best?
It
wasn't
some
rookie
in
there
and
she
was
unable
to
seat
that
panel
for
10
pounds
of
weed,
because
the
jury
said
we
cannot
follow
the
law.
You
want
us
to
put
this
young
man
in
prison
for
something
that
we
believe
will
be
legal
while
he's
there.
L
We
thought
she
worked
in
or
fine,
you
could
just
give
them
a
fine
and-
and
they
still
blew
before
the
defense
attorney
even
stood
up
to
ask
a
single
question
during
vladiere
and-
and
secondly,
they
said
you
know,
we
don't
even
think
you
should
have
jurisdiction
over
these
cases.
I
mean
this.
These
drugs
weren't
even
headed
to
kansas
city
and
we've
had
comments
like
that
in
these
types
of
cases
where
people
say
I
can't
be
fair,
I
don't.
L
I
don't
think
that
you
should
be
pulling
these
people
off,
and
why
are
we
doing
this?
And
you
know
I
would
ask
the
same
thing,
particularly
with
respect
to
cases
submitted
to
jackson
county
again.
That's
what
I'm
talking
about.
Not
the
cases
submitted
to
the
feds,
where
there
are
some
significant
seizures
and
the
data
is,
is
much
better.
The
outcomes
are
much
better.
L
A
C
You
dan,
I
I
wanted
to
just
weigh
in
here
a
little
bit
that
I
will
say
this.
The
findings
of
this
seem
obvious
in
some
ways
and
then
they're
also
not
intuitive,
especially
when
you
have
been
in
law
enforcement
for
a
long
time.
People
in
they
believe
they
believe
that
a
drug
case
means
a
violent
case
that
maybe
not
in
that
that
one,
you
know
back
scenario
that
we
have,
but
that
person
will
be
violent.
C
I
will
tell
you.
I
was
surprised
to
find
such
a
low
incident
rate
of
violence
connected
in
my
cases.
So
again,
as
dan
said,
we
don't
know
what's
happening
at
the
federal
government
level.
We
really
we
ask
to
try
and
get
their
data
as
well,
so
that
we
could
be
a
little
bit
more
robust
for
our
community
as
a
whole,
because
we
know
our
office
is
big
in
the
number
of
cases
that
we
carry.
We
are
not
big
in
the
number
of
prosecutors
that
we
have.
C
However,
you
just
don't
hear
me
complain
about
that,
but
but
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
looked
at
this
is
because
we
were
getting
crushed.
You
know
the
the
prosecutor's
caseloads
were
crushing
and
then
I
I
have
to
look
at
well.
What
are
we
doing?
What?
What
can?
How
can
I
better
utilize
our
time,
a
prosecutor's
time
should
be
on
things
that
do
not
further
harm
the
community,
whether
intended
or
not,
doesn't
matter
it
matters
that
that
policies
may
have
harmful
effects
should
be
modified
and
altered.
C
So
this
policy
has
been
forever
modified
and
altered,
and
that's
just
the
way
it
is
I'm
not
going
back,
and
I
don't
mean
to
be.
You
know
as
strident
about
this,
because
it's
not
as
if
I
didn't
do
a
whole
lot
of
research
and
understanding
to
get
to
this
decision.
I
didn't
base
it
on
my
feelings.
I
based
it
on
actual
data.
I
asked
this
team
to
go
back
and
refine
data
and
refine
it
again
and
refine
it
again
to
make
sure
that
we
were
on
the
right
path.
C
C
My
job
is
to
impact
that
law
fairly
on
my
community.
It
must
be
fair
and
if
we
are
not
viewed
as
fair,
then
when
it
really
matters
when
it
really
matters,
I'm
not
going
to
have
the
help
of
the
community,
and
we
I
cannot
afford
that.
This
community
cannot
afford
that.
So
that
is
my
pathway
going
forward.
H
H
H
But
there
was
this
question
as
to
whether,
through
the
criminal
justice
system,
we
were
solving
them
or
in
some
ways
exacerbating
some
of
the
very
real
concerns
and
certainly
building
that
distrust
that
you
have
seen
there
in
certain
ways,
rochester
being
a
recent
example
and
in
other
communities.
So
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
this.
H
I'm
intrigued
by
that
breakdown
that
mr
nelson
has
on
the
screen
now
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
where
I'd
like
us
to
focus,
because
the
devil's,
always
in
the
details
when
I
hear
critiques
of
nova
in
the
past
and
other
items,
there's
this
idea
of
on
your
treatment
options
element.
How
do
you
make
sure-
and
you
know
in
the
parenthetical
for
problem
users,
not
a
safety
valve
for
all?
H
How
do
we
distinguish
and-
and
how
do
you
think,
is
the
best
way
that
you
can
find
that
sort
of
distinction
between
you
know
your
problem,
users
versus
this
broad-based
safety
valve?
That
then
goes
on
to
collapse
under
its
own
weight.
I
would
ask
a
similar
question
as
to
I
think
the
second
prong
there.
The
documented
community
concerns,
because
this
is
where
I
will
play
not
devil's
after
I
gotta
think
this
way
too.
H
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
perhaps
I
don't
think
somebody
should
go
to
state
prison
for,
but
I
also
don't
want
them
doing
it
next
door,
and
I
would
suspect
that
many
kansas
cities
are
the
same
way.
I
don't
want
the
19
year
old
selling
weed.
Actually
you
know
on
my
doorstep
or
in
other
types
of
things.
H
So
so,
where
is
it
that
you
make
that
distinction
of
what
seems
like
the
true
community
harm
such
that
it
should
get
the
weight
of
state
prosecution,
and
where
is
it
that
you
may
think,
and
perhaps
on
the
city
side?
What
can
we
do
for
municipal
prosecutors,
offices
or
others
to
help
address?
Some
of
these
concerns
addition.
C
Let
me
respond
to
part
of
your
question
that
this
is
imperfect,
but
it
is
better
it's
better
than
what
we
did
before.
What
we're
trying
to
do
now
is
be
strategic
and
thoughtful
about
the
individual
that's
coming
in,
so
I
can
articulate
to
a
judge
and
a
jury
and
to
the
community
why
this
person
made
it
through
the
gate,
and
that
makes
more
sense.
C
I
I
I
feel
that's
an
easier
task
for
me
to
achieve
than
just
because
a
file
landed
in
my
office,
so
one
benefit
that
we
have
in
this
community
that
I
don't
know
of
another
community
that
has
it
is
combat
and
combat.
You
know
is
that
quarter
cent
sales
tax,
that's
throughout
jackson,
county,
but
it
funds
our
drug
court
and
it
funds
a
variety
of
other
things
it.
But
my
point
to
that
is
there
are
some
communities
that
have
taken
on
this.
C
They
do
not
have
combat
so
or
something
like
that
that
where
people
can
get
treatment
at
the
community
level,
they
require
a
felony
charge
for
the
person
to
get
identified
through
a
drug
court
setting
to
get
treatment.
That
is
not
true
here.
It's
simply
not
true
here.
So
it's
it's.
I
wouldn't
appreciate
that.
You
know
if
I
didn't
work
with
other
cities
around
the
country
to
to
see
where
we
fit
and
right
now
the
combat
program
gives
millions
of
dollars
annually
for
treatment
not
just
to
drug
court
but
separately
to
the
community
directly.
C
So
we
have
another
pathway
here,
it's
a
huge
benefit
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
better
utilize
that
process
without
the
grand
expense
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
We
think
we
can't
quite
give
you
a
credible
number
on
what
it
cost
to
prosecute
a
drug
case
locally,
but
nationally.
We
believe
it
to
be
about
146
000
per
drug
case,
so
this
is
not
free.
C
C
So
if
we
can
bypass
that
expense
and
get
treatment
directly
to
those
who
need
it
in
a
much
more
effective
way,
you
know
right
at
community
level,
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
but
keep
in
mind.
I
too,
I
don't
want
to
live
next
to
someone
who
sells
drugs,
so
we
we're
very
thoughtful
about
that
as
well.
That
needs
to
be
part
of
you
know.
Our
our
overall
concern
is
the
health
and
welfare
of
our
communities,
but
fishing
with
this
great
big
net
has
been
harmful.
L
We're
also
hoping
that
this
incentivizes,
all
investigators,
not
just
you,
know
any
one
agency,
but
for
people
to
develop
this
information
right.
If
all
you
investigate
the
drug
weight,
then
you
may
be
missing
some
things
that
relate
to
connection
to
violence.
Right,
if
that
information
is
not
coming
over
to
us,
that's
lost
leverage
that
could
make
a
drug
case
that
otherwise
is
going
to
be
negligible,
expensive
to
carry,
but
either
an
sis
and
ses
dismissed
no
pros
a
case.
L
That's
not
going
to
get
a
good
criminal
justice
system
result
in
terms
of
you
know.
How
serious
is
it
or
you
know
diverting
minor
marijuana
users
into
drug
court
so
that
they
don't
get
a
felony?
Why
not
just
not
bring
them
in
the
system
in
the
first
place?
Why
are
we
bringing
these
folks
in
the
criminal
justice
system
in
the
first
place,
if
we
think
they
don't
deserve
a
felony,
so
we
want
more
information.
We
want
more
analysis
on
the
front
end
before
we
interrupt
just
charging
somebody
with
a
state
level.
L
Felony
hugely
interrupts
their
life
hugely
impacts,
their
ability
to
get
jobs,
maintain
jobs
to
you,
know
all
sectors,
and
it
can
exacerbate
people
already
on
a
cycle
of
poverty.
I
mean,
there's
all
these
negative
scholarships
pretty
clear
on
this.
You
know
the
expenses
on
the
back
end,
so
why
not
take
care
of
it
on
the
front
end
and
that's
what
we
think
this
policy
is.
L
On
the
other
hand,
we
want
to
have
a
dialogue
in
all
these
cases,
so
we've
built
into
our
public
safety
charging
guidelines,
a
mechanism
where,
on
any
case,
that
comes
back
to
kcpd
if
they
think
it
does
meet
a
connection
to
violence
or
a
documented
community
concern
we're
not
going
to
have
you
know,
just
the
line
prosecutor
making
the
final
call
we'll
have
a
group
of
three
supervisors
and
they'll.
They
can
listen
to
the
case.
Detective
they'll,
listen
to
the
officer
who
was
arresting.
L
A
lot
of
these
cases
are
coming
out
of
patrol
right,
drug
possession
cases
coming
out
of
patrol
from
a
consent
to
search
a
bag
and
there's
one
pill
of
oxy.
So
we're
hoping
that
having
that
mechanism
will
let
us
get
more
of
those
cases
in,
but
knowing
the
important
parts
that
actually
makes
the
system
value
those
cases
and
also
lets
us
get
better
outcomes
than
the
terribly
negligible
we're
getting
on
a
majority
of
these
cases.
G
G
The
second
thing
about
that
is
that
we
know
that
can
there's
this
concept
called
connectedness
social
connectedness
in
a
community.
That's
one
of
the
number
one
predictors
of
high
rates
of
violence
in
the
community
and
the
cdc
has
found
this
they've
studied
this.
This
is
old
data.
All
research.
Well,
it's
hard
to
build
connected.
So
connectedness
is,
I
say,
hello
to
my
neighbor
next
door
to
me
every
day,
if
mike,
if
I'm
not
home
on
time,
my
kid
knows
to
go
to
the
neighbor's
house.
That's
an
example.
Those
are
examples
of
connectedness.
G
We
see
those
as
really
low
in
a
lot
of
our
lower
income
neighborhoods,
but
it's
hard
to
build
connectedness
when
people
are
constantly
fearful
of
each
other.
They
don't
trust
each
other.
They
feel
like
or
they're
moving
all
the
time
so
due
to
eviction
is
another
issue,
but
it
could
also
be
people
moving
in
and
out
of
the
jail
system,
and
so
this
this
is
trying
to
be
professional.
It's
overwhelming,
because
I
see
that
peop
with
good
intent.
We
have
good
intent,
but
it's
having
very
poor
outcomes.
B
L
I
just
don't
think
we
have
final
agreement
from
kcpd
on
what
they're
going
to
do
at
the
moment,
they're
continuing
to
submit
cases
in
the
old
style
all
the
way,
including
pc
statements
and
four
cases
that
do
not
have
a
connection
to
violence
or
documented
community
concern.
You
know,
a
pc
statement
is
what
the
detective
or
patrol
officer
fills
out
to
you
know
submit
a
case
over
for
us
to
consider
charging,
and
so
it
contains
that
information.
L
L
But
if
it's
not
a
case
that
winds
up
meeting
where
we
have
an
articulable
connection
to
violence
or
a
documented
community
concern
not
a
speculative
one,
not
an
entirely
speculative
one,
we'll
be
flexible
with
it,
but
you
have
to
articulate
something
that
hits
one
of
those
and
if
it
doesn't,
why
are
we
continuing
to
work
the
case
up
all
the
way
to
pc
statements
for
hundreds
of
cases
that
aren't
going
to
be
charged
that
are
essentially
dead
on
arrival
at
the
prosecutor's
office?
That's
our
new
policy.
L
We
got
out
of
that
business
in
jackson,
county
those
cases
can
be
handled
in
municipal
court
and
putting
a
felony
on
somebody
who
almost
always
is
enmeshed
in
the
cycle
of
poverty,
which
is
what
dwr
cases
are.
If
there's
an
alcohol
or
an
intoxicated
component,
it
goes
with
a
different
charge
but
lead
charge
dwrs.
We
were
getting
horrible
outcomes
and
doing
injustice
by
pursuing
those
cases
in
kansas
city
and
our
jackson.
County
juries
and
judges
were
telling
us
that,
so
we
stopped
charging
them.
L
We're
talking
about
we've,
not
gotten
good
results
on
marijuana
cases
in
jackson,
county
for
at
least
five
years
and
probably
longer
and
anybody
who's
been
over.
There
will
tell
you
that
whatever
their
role
is
probation,
pro
will
tell
you
that
judges
will
tell
you
that
clerks
will
tell
you
that,
because
you
figured
out
right
away,
we
can't
even
get
seated
drug
trials.
I
mean
we've
had
like
less
than
five
in
the
last
three
years.
I
think
is
that
right,
gene
it's
so
these
cases
are
not
being
valued.
F
Sure
so
we
we
got
this
I've.
I've
had
this,
for
I
got
a
letter
from
joe
maben
and
we
started
looking
at
our
stats
and
we're
still
going
through
that
to
see
what
our
numbers
are
and
what
they
are
for,
the
the
police
department.
So
we're
still
going
through
this
and
looking
at
it,
we
haven't
set
on
a
policy
yet.
C
M
Good
morning,
just
real
quick,
I
am
melanie
austin,
I'm
one
of
the
supervisors
probation
pro
and
I
attend
the
shoot
review
every
week
and
I
do
understand
what
dan
is
saying.
But
we
are.
I
am
finding
every
week
because
I'm
responsible
for
the
data-
and
I
am
finding
that
a
lot
of
these
cases,
these
individuals
who
are
charged
with
the
drug
charges
that
are
that
are
referred
to
drug
court.
They
are
committing
crimes,
they're
involved
in
crimes
in
the
shoot
review
every
week,
they're
escalating
up
to
more
violent
crimes.
M
I
don't
have
the
statistics,
but
I
plan
to
start
keeping
that
and
I
will
bring
that
to
the
board,
but
I
am
finding
that
the
trend
is
those
persons
in
drug
court
who
have
been
chosen
to
actually
be
referred
to.
Drug
court
opposed
to
being
charged
with
a
felon
you
know
being
charged
or
placed
on
active
probation.
They
are
involved
in
their
their
crime,
is
escalating
to
more
violent
crime.
Matter
of
fact,
we
had
a
couple
last
week,
so
I
just
wanted
you
guys
to
know
that
and.
C
This
is
we
encounter.
Thank
you
for
that
melanie,
but
what
we
encounter
a
lot
is
people
will
bring
us
an
example
of
a
drug
offender
that
committed
a
homicide
and-
and
that's
where
my
head
always
was
as
well-
was
just
right
there.
It's,
I
don't
know
it
yet,
but
that
drug
offender
is
going
to
commit
a
homicide
he's
going
to
do
a
shooting.
I
just
know
it.
So
what
I
would
ask
is
that
we
all
really
try
and
dig
into
the
data.
This
policy
doesn't
say
we
don't
want
those
cases
melanie.
C
This
policy
says
quite
the
opposite.
We
want
them.
We
I
want
that.
Even
if
it's
a
marijuana,
possession
I'll
go,
do
what
I
got
to
do
to
go
fight
that
out
in
a
courtroom.
The
point
is
connection
to
violence.
Can
I
articulate
that
in
some
way,
rather
than
I
just
feel
it?
I
guess
it.
It
needs
to
be
true
and
I
need
and
there,
but
there
should
be
cues
about
that.
You
know
we.
We
are
smart.
C
H
I
mean
I
do
I
don't
want
to
waste
everybody's
time,
but
I
think
this
is
kind
of
interesting
in
the
core
of
you
know:
criminal
justice
now
there's
a
somewhat
recent
attorney
general.
Who
would
note
that
marijuana
users
are
still
bad
people.
I
disagree
with
them
jeff
sessions,
but
I
think
the
idea
is
this
sort
of
question
of
how
do
you
measure
propensity
to
commit
future
acts
of
violence?
H
And
there
are
some
who
would
have
the
view
that
your
disrespect
for
criminal
law
is
some
great
predictor
and
then
your
number
of
arrests
etc?
And
I
think
we
know
what
what
I
think
we're
trying
to
balance
is.
To
what
extent
are
we
actually
almost
convincing
someone?
You
should
be
involved
in
further
criminal
activity
by
actually
putting
you
in
this
system
from
the
very
beginning
where
there
is
some
off-ramp
before,
where
kind
of
I
guess
I
might
ask
so
where
does
this
go
ultimately
to
deputy
chief
prosecutor
nelson?
H
So
you
all
have
made
this
policy
changer.
I
guess
the
prosecutors
here
so
you've
made
this
change.
Is
it
a
matter
of
it
stays
this
way
forever
or
hypothetically?
If
you
got
a
lot
more
resources
tomorrow
and
let's
say
we're
partying
like
it's
1988
and
we
want
to
have
a
ton
of
drug
prosecutions,
does
that
become
something
where
you
say
all
right?
We
can
handle
the
amount
of
work
with
it.
I
mean
what?
C
C
You
know
to
communities
of
color
and
the
community
does
not
view
the
the
prosecution
of
these
cases
as
being
fairly
driven.
So
that
is
what
I
want
to
reverse
that
I
want
to
be
fair.
I
will
be
fair,
fair
is
you
know,
looking
at
the
the
full
history
of
an
individual,
so
I
can
catch
those
people
in
our
net
at
the
state
level
that
deserve
to
be
there
that
earned
their
right
to
be
there
so
that
we
can
prevent
them
from
causing
more
harm.
C
I
believe
in
that
process
I
believe
in
my
office
to
do
that
and
I
believe
in
this
function,
because
I've
done
it
for
so
many
years.
I
would
have
left
long
ago
if
I
did
if
I
believed
it
didn't
work,
but
I
also
believe
that
that
we
can
have
good
intention
and
cause
harm
and-
and
the
evidence
demonstrates
to
me
that
we
have
caused
harm
that
we've
actually
caused
harm,
and
you
know
we're
not
new
into
this.
This
war
on
drugs
we're
50
years
in
that
to
a
war
on
drugs.
So
we.
H
C
Got
some
evidence
to
look
how
it
works,
so
we
shouldn't
always
use
sort
of
that
that
one
example
that
kind
of
throws
throws
out
any
other
good
policy.
There
will
be
examples
where
someone,
seemingly
you
know,
didn't
didn't
appear
to
us
to
be
violent.
Drug
case
came
through,
we
didn't
take
it
and
he
ends
up
causing
a
whole
bunch
of
harm.
I'm
sure
that
will
be
crammed
up
my
nostrils,
I'm
prepared
for
it.
I
bring
it
on,
but
my
point
is
that
I
can't
make
policy
based
on
that.
C
You
know
that
kind
of
low-level
kind
of
way
to
analyze
things.
We
should
analyze
them
from
a
much
greater
perspective,
sort
of
that
30
000
foot
view,
and
we
should
be
able
to
look
at
what
have
we
done
in
the
past
and
if
it
worked
we'll
keep
doing
it.
If
it
didn't
work,
then
we
should
modify
and
try
new
ways
to
do
this
in
this
community
we
do
have
other
options
and
so
we're
you
know.
C
So
it's
not
easy,
but
like
we
can't
just
keep
doing
the
same
thing,
we
always
did
and
expect
a
different
result
and
what
people
often
critique
us
about.
Well,
if
you're
just
tougher,
you
know,
if
you
were
just
you
know
you
just
better
you,
you
get
a
better
outcome.
Well,
okay,
look
at
the
evidence,
I'm
trying
to
follow
my
own
evidence,
my
own,
my
own
outcomes,
but
also
to
look
more
broadly.
You
know
to
take
steps
out
and
make
sure
that
my
data
is
supported.
C
You
know
that
it's
been
challenged.
It's
been
critiqued,
that's
important
to
me
that
you
know
I
don't
want
to
make
a
policy
based
on
you
know,
one
set
of
ideologies
I
want
to
make
it
base
it
on
evidence,
and
we
really
worked
hard
to
do
that.
We've
taken
a
lot
of
critique
throughout
this.
I
presented
this
even
last,
fall
to
a
community
board
asking
them
to
sort
of
help
us
figure
out
how
we
could
better
put
this
together.
What
better
question
should
we
be
asking
what
other
data
should
we
pull?
C
A
B
If
that's
the
case,
then
the
community
would
want
to
know
what
is
the
line
item
budget,
including
human
resources,
personnel
and
everything.
In
addition
to
that,
I
want
to
reiterate
the
need
for
the
destruction
of
guns
process
post
trial.
When
a
case
has
been
closed,
a
community
would
like
to
know.
Is
it
a
procured,
function
of
the
kcpd
or
does
the
kcpd
perform
the
function
itself?
B
B
A
H
But
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
that
I
hear
from
dr
howard's
words
and
something
that
I
think
about
too
too
often,
and
I
hope
that
this
board
recognizes
it
too.
We
share
the
information
between
ourselves,
so
quint,
lucas
and
gene
peters
baker.
Exchanging
a
bunch
of
letters
which
may
be
interesting,
like
three
people
is
not
as
helpful
as
the
public
really
getting
the
opportunity
to
know
and
understand
these.
More
broadly,
absolutely.
H
That
is
why-
and
I
think
dr
jones
comment
about
open
data
is
an
important
part
of
it.
Part
of
the
reason-
and
it's
not
the
easiest
system,
mind
you
but
part
of
the
reason.
The
city
at
least
tries
to
have
these
public
budget
hearings
that
yes
get
hijacked
by
big
groups
of
folks,
but
we
sit
there
for
hours
and
hours
because
we
give
you
a
30-minute
presentation
on
everything.
That's
there
and
I
think
too
often
in
government,
local
government,
be
it
city,
hall,
side,
police
board,
etc.
The
county
we're
we're
suggesting
to
people.
H
Well,
here's
an
800
page
document.
You
find
it
dr
howard,
not
recognizing
that
much
of
the
community
has
a
lot
of
other
things
to
do
and
what's
more,
not
recognizing
what
that
breakdown
even
is.
Even
if
you
looked
up
I'll
critique
my
own
area.
If
you
look
up
the
mayor
in
the
council
budget
right
now,
I
think
that's
2.2
million
dollars.
H
What
does
that
go
to
really
not
listed
right,
and
so
we
could
say
the
city
gives
you
a
line
item,
but
we're
not
really
telling
you.
What
we
do
is
that
staff
is
that
travel.
Is
that
supplies
you
know,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
for
us
as
we
craft
these?
I
hope
by
the
end
of
our
time.
Together
we
are
able
to
say
this
criminal
justice,
industrial
complex
that
spends
in
this
city.
I
would
estimate
at
least
in
direct
funding,
these
450
million
dollars
a
year,
if
not
more.
H
What's
it
doing
right
where,
where
is
it
going
and
why
so
often
is
the
ask
from
the
public?
We
need
something
different
part
of
that's,
because
perhaps
we're
not
sharing
what
we
are
doing
and
another
part
of
it
might
be
that
yeah.
Maybe
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
clearer
as
dr
howard
notes
on
what
that
industrial
complex
is
all
about
and
whom
it's
working
for,
because
I
think
if
we
ask
the
public,
a
lot
of
people
would
really
like
what
mrs
wesson
was
talking
about.
K
G
Can
we
also,
as
a
board,
continue
to
hear
back
on
this
issue
of
what
was
discussed
today
from
the
prosecutor's
office
and
what
how
our
kcpd
team
will
be
moving
forward?
I
just
wanted
to
keep
top
of
mind
like
as
they
review.
As
the
chief
said.
They
will
continue
to
review,
but
where
will
we
know
if
and
when
there
might
be
a
shift
in
allocation
from
narcotics
to
assault
and
also
changing
their
own
internal
practice?