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A
A
A
C
Good
morning
I'm
dwight
I'm
chair
of
the
kansas
corporation
commission,
I'm
joined
this
morning
by
my
fellow
commissioners,
susan
duffy
and
commissioner
andrew
french.
At
this
time
I
will
call
to
order
this
meeting
of
the
kansas
corporation
commission
on
the
17th
day
of
march
2022.,
happy
st
patrick's
day
to
home.
C
Yeah,
I
just
took
words
out
of
my
mouth.
Thank
you
good
morning,
commissioner.
Duffy
first
up,
commissioners,
for
our
consideration
are
11
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
We've
all
had
the
opportunity
to
re
review.
Pardon
me
the
contents
of
the
draft
orders
in
each
of
these
matters
so
I'll
turn
to
each
of
you
and
ask
if
you
have
any
questions,
comments
or
concerns
and
I'll
begin
with.
Commissioner
duffy.
C
D
C
C
Wonderful.
Okay,
as
I
was
saying,
this
is
in
the
matter
of
averaging
kansas,
central
inc
and
evergreen
kansas
south
inks,
updated
transmission
delivery
charge
tariff
before
this
request
this
morning
is
an
order
acknowledging
the
effective
date
of
the
transmission
delivery
charge,
and
our
presenter
is
our
general
counsel,
brownfied
brian.
Please.
E
While
generally,
the
commission
has
jurisdiction
over
evergy
kansas
central's
rates
in
terms
of
service,
ksa,
66
1237
provides
that
any
electric
utility
may
seek
to
recover
costs
through
a
separate
tdc
charge
and
ksa
66
1237c
presumes
that
all
transmission
related
costs
incurred
by
an
electric
public
utility
are
prudent
under
the
express
language
of
ksa
66
1237,
all
transmission
related
costs
incurred
by
an
electric
public
utility
are
conclusively
presumed
prudent.
As
a
result,
the
commission
has
no
jurors
or
no
discretion
and
must
accept
energy.
Kansas
central's
proposed
tdc
tariff
as
filed.
C
D
I
have
no
no
questions.
Just
wanna
make
one
quick
comment,
which
is,
I
think,
what
brian
said
there
at
the
end,
he
mentioned
the
review
and
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
the
kcc
does
audit
every
single
one
of
these
filings
and
if
the
charge
is
in
any
way
miscalculated
or
if
the
costs
do
not
match
the
costs
that
are
described
in
the
statute,
we
do
have
the
opportunity
to
change
the
charge.
For
those
reasons.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
gets
emphasized,
but
otherwise
have
no
further
comment.
B
C
And
move
the
second,
we
approve
the
order
in
this
docket.
Is
there
any
further
discussion?
I
will
add
my
comments
here
at
this
time.
These
transmission
delivery
charges
do
not
entail
any
traditional
commission
review
or
approval
process
whatsoever
under
the
statute,
the
utility
files,
these
tdc
charges
with
the
commission
and
they
become
effective
30
days
after
the
date
of
filing.
C
As
commissioner
french
indicated,
all
the
commission
staff
really
does
is
that
they
perform
a
traditional
verification
audit
process,
but
that
is
a
far
cry
from
a
thorough
commission
review
process.
It
doesn't
exist
in
this
instance,
under
the
law
and
pursuant
to
ksa
66
1237.
These
filings
are
conclusively
desert,
conclusively
presumed
prudent,
essentially
as
files
subject
to
that
review
process.
C
I
think
it's
interesting
to
note.
I've
just
concluded
my
fourth
year
on
the
commission
if
we
and
that
that's
beginning
from
april
of
2018
through
today,
during
that
time
period,
the
net
total
transmission
delivery
charge.
Adjustments,
including
the
the
the
20
million
roughly,
that
is
an
increase
recognized
by
us
today,
totals
almost
86
million
dollars.
C
C
D
You've
sparked
something
in
the
commission
or
cherokee.
I
I
think
you
know
your
comment
about
the
86
million
dollar
net
increase.
I
think
that
is
important
and
I
think
it's
it
is
sort
of
in
one
way.
It's
it's
a
shame
that
we
do
look
at
this
on
a
on
a
line
item
piece
without
being
able
to
look
at
it
holistically,
not
as
a
as
a
defense
of
the
86
million
dollar
increase
at
all.
But
with
my
participation
at
southwest
power
pool,
I
do
know
that
some
transmission
investment
does
create.
D
You
know
what
the
the
overall
net
effect
of
these
investments
are
to
be
able
to
compare
the
costs
and
the
benefits,
because
there
certainly
are
costs,
and
it's
very
obvious
in
these
filings,
but
I
think
the
commission
could
benefit
and
the
legislature
could
benefit
from
learning
more
about
the
costs
and
the
benefits,
and
I
hope
that's
something
we
can
hear
more
from
our
utilities
in
the
future.
So
I
I
I
think,
that's
a
a
great
thing
to
point
out
that
you
know
there
are
downsides
to
having
these.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
fringe.
I
think
the
points
were
well
taken.
I
I
I
would
respond
to
that.
Just
briefly,
if
I
could
I'd
certainly
concur
with
your
conclusion,
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
absence
of
any
kind
of
an
overview
process
that
says
there's
a
substance
here.
That's
that
that's
an
increase.
C
It's
a
problem,
I
think,
and
especially
when
we're
talking
about
the
the
amounts
and
the
potential
consequences
to
ratepayers
it's,
it's
kind
of
striking
that
we
would
conclusively
presume
under
the
statute
that
such
substantial
talk
costs
are
essentially
subject
to
a
pretty
modest
audit
verification
process
that
they
are
prudent.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
you
can
respond.
If
you
wish,
I
I
was
trying
to
embellish
what
you
were
saying.
No,
commissioner
duffy,
please.
B
Yes,
I
and
the
fact
that
these
come
at
different
times
of
the
year,
and
so
we
don't
see
them
in
total.
We
see
them
in
piecemeal
fashion
and
a
lot
of
them
are
relatively
recent
of
the
writers.
I
don't
know
where
we
fall
as
it
relates
to
other
pucs
other
states.
I
don't
know
what
is
the
overall
increase
compared
to
what
we
would
normally
look
at
in
a
rate
filing?
B
I
have
visited
with
our
council
about
just
a
workshop
session
that
would
help
us
better
understand
the
ramifications
of
all
these
writers
when
they
came
about
how
long
have
they
been
on
the
books?
Are
we
in
the
norm
so
that
and
that
we
have
a
better
understanding
now
the
fact
that
these
are
authorized
by
statute?
B
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
go
in
and
adjust
and
control,
but
we
can
share
with
legislators
some
of
our
thoughts,
perhaps
next
year,
but
again
it's
it's
a
piecemeal
fashion.
It's
fractured
that
way,
and
so
we
kind
of
lose
sight
of
the
balance
of
what
we
are
approving
throughout
a
year
and
not
just
with
this
company
but
with
all
companies.
So
I
think
there'll
be
more
to
share
later
on.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
share
that
chair
king.
C
Absolutely
thank
you
for
the
for
the
observation
I'm
not
trying
to
pile
on
here,
but
but
I
have
to
say
a
hearty
me
too
to
your
suggestion
that
we
have
a
work
study
of
some
sort,
hopefully
in
a
non-judicial
future
that
takes
a
look
at
all
of
these
riders.
I
think
there
essentially
are
four
of
these
riders
that
affect
electric
utilities,
but
it's
it's
important,
I
think,
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
go
through
the
process
that
you're
suggesting
so
that
we
can
have
perspective
and
we
can
hold
these
writers
in
perspective.
C
We
can
kind
of
we
can
educate
ourselves,
certainly
and
the
public
in
the
process
about
what's
involved
in
these
riders
and
their
impact
on
the
bottom
line
as
far
as
what
rate
payers
pay.
So
I
think
it's
a
suggestion.
That's
well
taken,
I'm
not
trying
to
pick
on
each
one
of
you
individually.
If
either
of
you
have
like
that
further
comment
on
this
before
we
we
vote,
please
do
seeing
now.
I
will
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
of
this
order
signify
by
saying
aye.
B
C
C
This
is
in
the
matter
of
the
investigation
into
southern
pioneer
electric
company
regarding
the
february
2021
winning
winter
weather
events
is
contemplated
by
docket
number
21
gimx
303-mis
before
us
this
morning
is
an
order
on
the
joint
motion
for
a
final
order,
and
our
presenter
is
assistant.
General
counsel,
david
cohen,
david,
please
good
morning.
A
Commissioners,
on
february
15
2021,
the
commission
issued
an
emergency
order
related
to
the
winter
weather
event.
The
commission
directed
all
jurisdictional
natural
gas
and
electric
utilities
to
coordinate
efforts
and
make
take
all
reasonably
feasible,
lawful
and
appropriate
actions
to
ensure
adequate
service
and
defer
extraordinary
costs
into
an
asset
account.
A
B
A
I'll
I'll
I'll
give
you
the
short
version
in
case
I
lose
internet
again.
The
plan
spreads
costs
over
36
months
based
on
customers,
individual
usage
and
allows
customers
to
pay
off
their
individual
balance
all
at
once.
If
they
want.
The
original
plan
called
for
a
carrying
cost
of
2.8,
which
is
southern
pioneers,
cost
of
capital,
plus
an
adder
to
maintain
their
debt
coverage
ratio.
Southern
pioneer
has
agreed
to
just
do
individual
carrying
costs
at
their
own
individual
cost
of
capital,
which
is
2.15.
A
While
we
are
interpreting
this,
there's
never
been
a
settlement
filed
we're
sort
of
interpreting
this
as
a
settlement,
because
all
parties
agree
on
a
course
of
action,
and
so
the
order
before
you
analyzes
it
using
the
commission's
three-part
test,
which
decides
if
the
course
of
action
is
in
the
public
interest,
is,
will
result
in
just
unreasonable
weights
and
is
supported
by
substantial
competent
evidence
and
the
order
finds
that
all
three
of
those
are
met
and
accepts.
The
financial
plan
submitted
by
southern
pioneer
as
modified
by
staffs
and
curbs
suggestions.
C
B
C
A
A
The
order
allows
customers
to
pay
off
their
balance
all
at
once
and
based
on
curb
suggestion.
If
there
is
a
settlement
or
refund
based
on
investigations
and
government
actions
based
on
the
size
of
that
settlement,
it
would
either
be
distributed
to
customers
all
at
once
or
spread
out
over
the
36
months.
C
C
D
C
C
F
Good
morning,
commissioners
and
happy
st
patrick's
day,
the
order
before
you
is
for
the
approval
of
new
star
pipelines
proposed
tariff
kcc
number
23,
which
cancels
new
stars
kcc
number
22
new
star's
proposed
tariff
implements
a
rate
decrease
to
comply
with
ferc
indexing
preach
procedures
which
changed
january
20th
2022
the
ferc
indexing
procedure
that
changed
was
the
oil
pricing
index
factor.
The
oil
pricing
index
factor
is
now
the
producer
price
index
for
finished
goods
minus
0.21.
F
F
This
reduction
of
rates
is
expected
to
reduce
new
stars
march
1st
through
june
30th
2022
revenue
by
an
estimated
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
Staff
submitted
an
r
in
this
matter.
On
february
23
2022
staff
applied
the
two
standards
typically
used
by
the
commission
to
review
nick
liquid
pipeline
common
carrier
tariff
applications,
the
first
being
just
unreasonable
rates
and
the
second
being
efficient
and
sufficient
service
staff
included
that
new
star's
request
should
be
approved,
because
the
proposed
rate
changes
properly
utilize
ferc's
indexing
methodologies.
F
The
proposed
rates
are
below
the
first
ceiling,
price
customers
have
prop
have
been
properly
notified
and
no
complaints
or
protests
have
been
filed.
And,
finally,
the
proposed
rate
changes
meet
kansas's
two
standards
of
review
for
liquid
pipelines,
common
carrier
tariff
applications.
Therefore,
staff
recommends
approval
of
new
star
new
stars
tariff
kcc
number
23,
canceling
kcc
number
22..
C
B
F
C
Moving
the
second
did.
We
approve
the
order
in
this
docket.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing
now
I'll
call
the
question.
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
motion
carries
the
orders
approved.
Thank
you,
jerry,
very
much,
commissioners.
By
my
reckoning,
I
think
we've
come
to
the
end
of
today's
agenda
with
all
the
effects
that
the
leprechauns
have
had
upon
my
end
of
it
anyway.
Is
there
any
further
matter
that
you
wish
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
commissioner
to
discuss
mr
duffy?
Please.