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B
A
Here
it
appears
we
do
have
a
quorum
for
today's
meeting
and
before
we
get
into
our
guest
speakers
today,
we
will
need
approval
of
the
January
6
meeting
minutes
if
I
could
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
motion
made
by
Senator
Smith
do
I
hear
a
second
second
by
representative
hevron.
A
If
you
have
a
copy
of
today's
agenda,
we
are
going
to
make
a
slight
adjustment
and
since
secretary's
Grace
here
for
three
of
the
first
parts
of
the
agenda,
we're
going
to
move
the
work,
Zone
safety
up
and
begin
with
it,
because
we
got
some
of
our
Engineers
from
across
the
state
here
and
we
want
to
get
them
their
opportunity
to
come
and
speak
and
then
get
them
on
the
roads
back
to
their
districts,
because
they've
traveled
a
long
way.
D
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
Jim
Gray,
and
this
is
a
fellow
that
most
of
you
all
know,
Kenny
Bishop
our
legislative
director,
and
let
me
first
look
I'm,
not
don't
don't
go
yet
hold
on
hold
on
time
out
time
out.
Let
me
let
me
introduce,
let
me,
let
me
say,
greetings
to
everybody
here.
I
always
enjoy
being
with
you
all
and
I,
particularly
always
want
to
say
at
the
very
outset.
D
Thank
you
for
your
public
service
and
I
mean
that
genuinely
and
that's
the
same
way,
I
feel
about
the
folks
in
the
transportation
cabinet
myself
and
I
will
thank
them.
In
fact,
I
want
to
start
out
by
and
Mr
chairman
you.
You
said
that
we've
got
a
number
of
our
chief
District
Engineers
here
today
and
I
want
to
start
out
by
recognizing
each
and
every
one
of
them
I'm
going
to
ask
Joe,
plunk
and
denitra
Henderson
from
districts
two
and
three
to
join
us
in
just
a
minute.
D
But
in
addition
to
our
Chiefs
from
two
and
three,
we
have
Chief
District,
Engineers,
Matt,
Bullock,
Kelly,
Baker,
Chris,
Jones
and
Bob
Yeager
here.
So
we
have
fully
half
of
the
chief
District
Engineers
from
around
the
state
representing
more
than
1500
employees,
and
why
that's
important
is
this
subject
is
so
important
to
them
that
they
wanted
to
be
here
also,
I
want
to
recognize
deputy
secretary
Mike,
Hancock,
State,
Highway,
engineer,
James,
Ballinger
and
others
are
going
to
join
me
in
other
parts
of
our
presentation
today
and
I
will
introduce
them
when
we
get
there.
D
So
I
do
want
to
lead
off
today,
chairman
with
a
subject
that
literally
has
life
and
death
implications
and
that's
the
subject
of
work,
Zone
safety,
an
issue
that
I
know
looms
very
large
for
members
of
this
committee
as
well.
I
can
tell
you
that
it
never
drops
off
our
radar
at
the
transportation,
cabinet
and
I
want
to
begin.
This
is
where
Kenny
was
jumping
getting
ahead
of
his
ski
as
a
minute
ago,
but
we
want
to
begin.
D
E
E
We
had
a
gentleman
that
I
seen
coming
at
me
and
he
wasn't
slowing
down
at
a
about
a
couple
hundred
yards
away
and
he
wasn't
really
paying
attention
to
what
he
was
doing.
I
yelled
on
the
radio
and
let
my
crew
know
that
we
was
going
to
have
a
runner
as
he
proceeded
closer
I
jumped
across
the
guardrail
being
five
foot
six
and
220
pounds.
That's
not
something!
You
take
feet.
First,
it's
head
first
over
at
guardrail,
so
it
was
interesting.
E
It's
just
simple
people
not
paying
attention
in
different
occurrences.
You
can
talk
to
somebody.
They
may
tell
you
well.
I
worked
10
minutes
into
my
lunch,
so
I'm,
just
I'm
I'm
in
a
hurry.
I
would
say
six
in
ten
cars
you're
going
to
see
somebody
looking
down
it's
cell
phones.
If
everybody
understood
what
it
is
that
we
see,
they
would
probably
change
their
ways
of
doing
things.
You
know:
I've
got
a
daughter
at
home.
I've
got
a
wife
at
home
and
we're
out
here
to
help
you
we're
out
here
to
make
your
roads
better.
E
D
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
Kenny.
You
know
what
Sean
just
shared
with
us
has
impact
to
everyone
who
works
with
the
cabinet
and
all
of
the
contractors
who
are
working
through
the
cabinet
on
our
projects.
Highway
construction
goes
on.
D
Of
course,
year
round
work
zones
can
be
found
anywhere
at
any
time,
but
especially
this
time
of
the
year
in
the
summer,
because
that's
when
so
much
of
our
resurfacing
work
is
done
right
now
we
have
hundreds
of
projects
underway
from
the
Mississippi
to
the
Big
Sandy
that
that
means
a
driver
is
practically
guaranteed
to
encounter
a
work
Zone
at
some
point,
work
zones
are
not
confined
to
Transportation
projects.
Work
zones
can
be
set
up
by
utility
Crews
mowing
contractors
that
is
anyone
who's
working
on
or
around
a
highway.
D
So,
to
talk
more
about
this
I'm
going
to
be
joined
by
Deputy,
State
Highway,
engineer,
Jason
sawala,
who
is
executive
director
of
our
office
of
Highway
Safety,
so
Jason
you're,
you're
familiar
with
a
lot
of
folks
here
so
I'll.
Just
let
you
let
me
let
me
also
joining
us
are
two
of
our
front
line.
Team
members.
D
That's
Joe
plunk,
who
is
our
chief
District
engineer
in
the
Bowling
Green
District
3
and
danitra
Henderson
District
2,
the
chief
District
engineer
of
our
Madisonville
District,
so
Joe
and
danitra
came
today
to
share
their
stories
of
their
own
employees
in
work
zones.
So
I'm
going
to
let
them
have
my
chair.
A
F
Yes,
Jason
sawala,
Deputy,
State,
Highway,
engineer
kytc.
F
Chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
I
really
appreciate
being
able
to
come
and
speak
with
you
on
this
important
topic
again
today,
and
we
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
do
so
in
in
several
other
sessions
and
situations,
but
wanted
to
wanted
to
reiterate
that
you
know
this
continues
to
be
a
serious
challenge
for
those
out
there
on
the
roadways
conducting
the
work.
F
As
the
secretary
said,
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
road
work
going
on
right
now,
and
so
when,
when
you
think
about
this
in
in
2022,
we
had
a
1083
crashes
in
work
zones
that
were
reported,
which
resulted
in
five
fatalities
and
numerous
injuries,
and
not
all
of
those
obviously
are
workers,
in
fact
a
very
small
percentage.
F
Another
thing
Sean
mentioned
in
his
video
was
you
know
that
he
anecdotally
sees
a
lot
of
folks
looking
down,
while
distracted
driving
crashes
are
under
reported,
typically
in
in
Crash
data,
just
over
40
percent
over
the
last
several
years
of
these
work,
Zone
crashes
involve
some
form
of
distraction
and
so
just
to
to
lend
Credence
to
what
Sean
said
and
I'm
going
to
get
out
of
the
way
now
and
let
Joe
and
denitra
share
some
experiences
from
their
District.
So
again,
we
very
much
appreciate
the
opportunity.
H
A
good
afternoon,
I'm
Joe
plunk
again
from
District
3
kytc's
District
3,
which
covers
South
Central
Kentucky
based
out
of
Bowling
Green
I,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
some
of
our
employee
experiences
related
to
work.
Zone
safety
I'll
be
brief,
but
I
have
two
main
points.
I
want
to
leave
with
you.
First,
based
on
personal
accounts
from
our
Frontline
workers.
There
is
a
growing
trend
of
work,
Zone
encroachments,
so
motorists
encroaching
the
work
Zone,
putting
kytc
and
contractor
employees
at
even
greater
risk
than
they
already
assume.
H
And
second,
there
is
a
lack
of
ability
to
enforce
these
work.
Zone
protections
as
workzone
violations
are
treated
just
like
any
other
traffic
violation.
In
other
words,
the
individual
must
be
quote
caught
in
the
act.
Just
a
few
months
ago,
we
were
here
on
the
capitol
grounds,
secretary
gray
and
others
recognized
the
national
work,
Zone
awareness,
safety
campaign,
District
3's
own
Tyler
Bullington,
a
Highway
Maintenance
employee
from
Allen
County
was
here
and
he
recounted
his
experience.
I'll
do
my
best
to
try
to
share.
In
his
words
what
happened
in
November
of
2020.
H
Tyler
was
working
as
a
flagger
for
our
Allen
County
crew.
The
rest
of
the
crew
was
just
Downstream.
They
were
doing
some
slope
mowing
operations,
that's
basically
cutting
back
vegetation
from
the
rural
roadway
Tyler
was
there
monitoring
the
flagging
station,
a
motorist
passed
no
less
than
a
half
dozen
works
on
a
head,
Flagger
ahead
signs
and
was
essentially
a
runner
pass.
Tyler
up
Tyler
ran
up
to
try
to
get
the
motorist
attention.
The
motorist
did
did
stop.
Tyler
was
communicating
with
the
motorist.
H
He
was
going
to
try
to
find
a
gap
to
where
he
could
get
the
motorist
on
through
Tyler
turned.
His
back
was
communicating
with
his
partner
Flagger
on
the
other
end
of
the
work
Zone.
The
motorist
for
some
reason
put
the
vehicle
in
reverse,
backed
into
Tyler
at
such
great
force,
that
it
threw
Tyler
about
10
feet
into
the
ditch.
Tyler
was
transported
by
ambulance
to
the
local
hospital.
H
When
local
law
enforcement
came
to
investigate
the
incident,
we
were
told
at
the
time
that,
because
they
didn't
witness
the
incident
that
there
was
no
citation,
that
would
be
that
could
be
written
up.
So
the
motorists
went
about
his
day
and
Tyler,
who
has
young
children,
he's
in
his
young
30
early
30s?
H
He
now
was
off
work
for
about
four
months
and
even
today,
as
a
young
man
has
a
diminished
Mobility
because
of
these
injuries
suffered
nearly
three
years
ago
in
Logan
County
about
10
months
later,
September
2021,
a
similar
traffic,
a
work
Zone
set
up,
the
crew
was
working
on
a
drainage
Improvement,
and
you
know
what
we
never
want
to
stop
traffic
any
longer
than
we
must
at
times
it
is
unavoidable.
5
minutes,
10
minutes
at
most
15
minutes.
H
This
motorist
came
to
a
complete,
stop
waited
at
the
flagging
station
with
the
flagger
and
for
whatever
reason
decided
that
it
was.
She
had
better
things
to
do
and
decided
to
encroach
into
the
work
Zone
putting
employees
at
risk.
Two
of
our
employees,
David
hurt
and
Wendell
Sanford
tried
to
approach
the
vehicle
and
communicate
to
the
driver
that
she
needed
to
stop.
She
did
not.
She
struck
both
employees.
Those
employees
were
knocked
to
the
ground.
H
They
were
older,
gentlemen,
no
serious
injuries,
thankfully,
but
they
did
have
cuts
and
bruises
and
were
away
from
work
for
a
few
days
again
the
same
story:
law
enforcement
comes
out
investigate.
Even
though
we
had
the
vehicles
make
model
color
and
license
plate
law
enforcement
said
there
was
really
nothing
they
could
do.
They
didn't
witness
the
incident
and
that
motorist
went
about
their
day
and
we
have
two
employees
that
had
injuries
from
that
Logan
County,
that
same
crew
experienced
that
same
situation
about
three
weeks
ago.
H
I
could
certainly
go
on
and
on
even
contractor,
employees
are
at
risk.
Just
last
summer,
Reynolds
Contracting
striping.
They
were
conducting
a
mobile
operation
on
Interstate
165,
that's
the
natural
Expressway
and
that's
a
an
operation
where
they're
closing
one
lane.
They
have
a
truck
crash
attenuator
following
the
operation
and
even
with
all
of
the
signage,
the
active
work,
Zone
barrels,
A
reduced,
speed
limit
a
vehicle
came
through
as
an
18-wheeler
came
through
and
struck
the
back
end
of
that
crash
attenuator
and
killed
the
contractor
employee.
H
So
these
these
situations
go
on.
I
want
to
read
something
that
my
last
point.
I
want
to
leave
with
you
is
we
had
a
work,
Zone
encroachment
just
about
10
days
ago
or
right
after
Fourth
of
July
that
week
in
in
Todd
County,
very
similar
situation,
thankfully
no
one
was
injured,
but
the
superintendent
David
Blake.
He
wrote
this
in
the
report.
People
do
not
pay
the
state
worker
any
attention
when
we
work
roadways,
the
public
is
always
in
a
hurry
and
the
state
worker
is
always
causing
them
delay
to
their
destination.
H
They
drive
through
on
their
phones.
They
have
no
concern
for
the
state
worker
whatsoever.
We
need
support
to
help
protect
the
state
worker
as
we
perform
a
job
that
provides
the
public
with
a
safe
road
to
travel
on
I'm
here
to
share
their
story
and
I
appreciate
your
listening
to
my
those
experiences.
Just
now.
Miss
Henderson
I
know
has
very
similar
experiences
to
share
with
you.
Thank.
G
You
Joe
so
denature,
Henderson
I
am
in
the
district
2
area
in
Madisonville
and
again
we
have
four
other
Chief
District
Engineers
behind
us
that
can
share
the
exact
same
stories
and,
and
these
are
our
employees.
These
are
executive
cabinet
employees,
that
Joe
and
I,
and
all
the
chief
District
engineers,
and
especially
secretary
gray
and
I,
can't
name
everyone
behind
me,
but
we
all
feel
personally
responsible
for
their
safety,
while
they're
at
work
and
I
appreciate
secretary
Gray's
attention
to
Safety,
Not,
Just,
employee
safety,
but
then
again
roadway
safety.
G
G
A
lot
of
people
drove
quicker
than
that
and
at
some
point
the
speed
limit
was
raised
to
65
miles
per
hour
at
local
insistence,
and
now
everyone,
as
you
can
imagine,
drives
faster
than
that.
So
it
is
a
very
tricky
place
to
do:
Railway
maintenance,
including
our
Mowing,
and
at
the
beginning
of
our
mowing
season.
G
The
Owensboro
bypass
and
a
lady
was
driving
a
pickup
truck
and
couldn't
see
was
looking
down
and
she
hit
the
tractor
and
demolished
the
tractor
in
the
bush
hog
that
was
on
the
bypass
Crossing
from
one
side
of
a
bridge
to
another.
Thankfully,
yesterday
no
one
was
injured,
but
these
are
just
two
very
recent
incidents,
one
of
them,
including
a
fatality
that
will
include,
be
included
in
next
year's
statistics.
When
we
start
talking
about
the
number
of
20
23
statistics,
this
this
litter
employee
will
be
one
of
the
people,
and
so
it's
easy.
G
These
are
people,
and
that
contractor
had
to
call
this
gentleman's
wife
and
tell
him
he
wasn't
coming
home
that
day
and
as
a
chief
District
engineer,
I've
also
had
to
make
that
call
for
one
of
our
employees
who
had
an
incident
while
he
was
working
for
us,
and
so
my
also
something
I
want
to
iterate
more
than
just
particular
incidents,
because
I
think
all
of
the
chief
District
Engineers
could
could
give
you
very
recent
and
very
distant
incidents
is
the
impact
that
the
fear
of
a
work
Zone
Collision,
while
they're
out
working
that
this
the
impact
this
has
on
our
employees
and
their
Mental
Health.
G
So
again,
I
want
to
end
with
just
asking
anything
you
can
do
to
increase
the
safety
of
our
employees
and
any
any
work
Zone
employee
is
is
critical,
so
Mr,
Doug
frent,
is
the
owner
of
the
company
that
experienced
the
employee
fatality
a
few
months
ago
and
then
again
the
tractor
hit
yesterday,
and
he
called
me
this
morning
on
my
way
here
and
I
I
told
him
I
said
I
heard
about
your
incident.
He
said,
thank
goodness,
no
one
was
hurt,
but
he
he
said.
G
If
there's
anything
you
all
can
do
to
help,
he
wanted
to
ticket
drivers
somehow
for
driving
carelessly
through
the
work
zones.
He
is
just
also
I'm
asking
on
his
behalf
and
our
employees
behalf
and
all
of
our
contractors.
If
there's
anything
we
can
do
to
raise
awareness,
then
we
would
appreciate
all
the
efforts.
So
thank
you
again
for
giving
us
opportunity.
F
In
conclusion,
I
would
just
say
that,
as
the
nature
said,
all
of
all
of
these
incidents
that
we
talked
about-
that's
a
very
small
number
of
you
know
what
we
see
overall
in
in
the
work
Zone
day
in
and
day
out
and
year
in
year
out,
and
so
as
we
continue
at
kytc
to
you
know,
continue
to
improve
work,
Zone
safety
through
whatever
mechanisms
possible-
and
you
know-
we've
been
here
talking
about
work,
Zone
safety
campaigns
and
various
other
things.
F
A
Jason,
thank
you,
Mr
Bale,
Miss
Henderson,
thank
you
and
to
all
you
District
Engineers,
that
are
here
today
and
I
share
your
concerns.
I
have
been
working
for
I,
guess
three
years
now,
with
Jason
on
a
piece
of
legislation
that
some
people
cringe
about,
because
we
use
the
word
cameras.
But
it's
not
about
cameras.
It's
about
protecting
lives.
Is
that
the
answer
that's
going
to
protect
the
lives
or
I,
don't
know,
but
we
got
to
try
something
right.
A
Mine
came
about
from
a
young
neighbor
of
mine
that
was
a
working
for
a
rogue
contractor
by
the
name
of
Jared
Helton
that
was
killed,
unfortunately,
at
a
very
young
age,
and
it's
it's
about
providing
a
protected
workplace
because
they're
doing
things
that
benefits
us
and,
unfortunately,
I'm
learning
that
some
of
this
highway
safety
issue
stuff
is
a
it's
a
cultural
issue.
A
A
Speed
limit
is,
and
we
just
got
back
from
SLC
and
the
wife
went
down
with
me
and
we're
traveling
through
work
zones
and
she's
like
they're
driving
faster
in
the
work
zones
than
they
are
when
they
come
out
of
the
work
zones,
because
you
was
going
to
get
run
over
and
she
was
right.
People
were
taking
no
regards
for
those
men
and
women
that
were
working
there
and
I
thought
part
of
our.
A
Our
goals
is
to
protect
people
throughout
the
Commonwealth
and
and
certainly
our
employees
and
those
that
we
contract
with,
and
we
owe
it
to
them
so
I
I.
Thank
you
all
for
bringing
this
today.
If
cameras
aren't
the
answer,
give
me
something
that
is
I'm
not
married
to
cameras.
I'm
married
to
finding
safety
for
our
workers
in
our
work
zones
provide
me
something
that
we
can
do
to
create
a
safer
work
environment
for
them.
Those
people
have
families
just
like.
A
We
do
and
I
guarantee
you
that
if
your
family's
in
there
you're
going
to
slow
down
when
you
come
to
a
work
Zone,
we
just
are
and
we've
we've
got
to
change
the
culture
now
Mr
Bell,
to
address
before
I
turn
over
the
questions.
From
some
of
the
other
legislators,
I
will
say
this
law
enforcement
isn't
totally
wrong.
While
they're
telling
you
it's
the
way
our
laws
are
in
Kentucky,
there's,
usually
just
two
or
three
traffic
things
that
someone
could
be
cited
for.
A
However,
without
witness
it,
they
can
follow
up
with
an
investigation.
They
can
follow
up
with
investigation
and
obtain
summonses
or
warrants
for
these
people
to
just
leave
you
hanging
and
hanging
high
dry
is
a
disappointment.
In
my
opinion,
they
should
have
followed
up.
That's
what
their
job
is,
so
that
that
is
something
that
could
be
done.
So
I've
got
a
couple
questions,
and
this
is
dealing
with
the
way
we
currently
do
with
our
double
fines.
A
In
our
work
zones
and
by
the
way
while
I
was
at
the
conference,
I
met
with
with
Columbia
Gas,
with
the
same
issues
with
their
utility
workers,
with
concerns
when
they're
out
here
and
people
ignoring
the
signs
and
and
it's
a
danger,
but
double
fines.
What
is
a
double
fine
in
Kentucky
in
a
work
Zone?
How
much
does
that
cost
minus
the
court
cost
now?
F
I,
don't
have
the
specific
Statute
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
a
it's.
A
relatively
small
portion,
as
you
mentioned,
the
the
court
cost
is
a
lot
of
the
is
a
lot
of
the
cost
of
of
what
you
would
consider
to
be
a
speeding
or
a
traffic
citation,
and
so
the
actual
fine
portion
of
that
is
is
usually
a
relatively
small
portion
of
the
of
that
overall
cost
and
and
what
happens
in
Kentucky
with
those
doubled.
F
Fines
is
that
they
go
into
a
restricted
fund
to
be
able
to
support
law
enforcement
within
work
zones
to
try
and
prevent
crashes
and
and
poor
outcomes
from
folks
that
are
violating
the
law
within
work.
Zone,
sir.
A
2009,
probably
since
I
read
through
those
statutes,
when
I
was
red
due
for
my
promotional
exams,
unless
they've
changed,
Mr,
representative
Williams
or
some
of
you
that
are
attorneys
on
the
committee
at
the
time,
the
actual
fine
was
just
a
dollar
per
mile
over
I,
don't
know
if
that's
changed
or
not,
and
then
your
big
cost
was
your
court
costs,
which
I
think
is
up
around
145
dollars.
Now
so,
let's
say
you're
running
20
miles
over
that's
20
mile
20,
plus
your
court
costs
145,
that's
165
dollars.
A
What
do
they
double
just
the
fine
of
twenty
dollars
to
forty
dollars?
Is
that
all
they're
doing,
then
it's
not
going
to
be
effective,
and
my
next
question
is
going
to
be.
Do
we
know
how
many
of
these
citations
are
being
dismissed
around
this
state
by
judges
in
work
zones?
They
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
dismiss
a
citation
unless
there's
some
type
of
evidence
that
it
was
issued
improperly
so
that
we
get
the
full
effect.
That's
some
things.
A
A
A
A
So
do
you
have
any
response?
Anybody
at
the
table.
A
Those
available
you
didn't
know,
I
was
going
to
ask
those
questions
so
with
that
I
think
the
first
person
is
representative
Heaven
has
a
question.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
Blanton,
the
last
two
committees
I've
been
in
my
name's
Tim
Richards
I,
appreciate
you
saying
it
the
correctly
the
second
time,
sorry
for
all
the
people
in
the
room,
sending
the
text
we
do
know.
My
last
name
is
hefron
yeah.
Yes,
we
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
to
present
today,
highway
safety
has
been
an
issue
of
importance
since
I
got
elected.
I
Of
course,
I
have
Scotties
in
my
district,
but
then
I've
also
been
working,
probably
for
the
past
year,
working
with
them
in
Reynolds
and
the
highway
contractor
Association
to
figure
out
how
we
figure,
how
we
find
out
how
we
can
best
protect
how
our
highway
safety
people
it's
a
very
dangerous
job.
I
Just
coming
up
today
from
Litchfield
I
went
through
two
work
zones
and
being
slow,
and
you
know
I
think
sometimes
I
was
talking
about
the
highway
contractors
and
he
was
saying
he
got
a
call
from
somebody
saying,
as
his
drivers
were
just
driving
really
slow
and
someone
called
upset
about
it.
He
was
like
well
I,
think
you're
behind
a
rolling
roadblock
and
she's
like
oh,
no
I
wasn't
he's
like
no.
You
were,
and
so
I
think
sometimes
like
we
as
individuals,
don't
educate
ourselves.
You
know,
and
we
see
somebody
on
the
road.
I
I
Necessarily,
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
a
statute,
and
it's
something
that
we
can
do
now
so
building
the
Partnerships.
You
know.
Is
there
a
way
and
I
know
that
local
law
enforcement
is
also
spread
thin,
but
you
know,
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
contract
with
them
to
get
them
out?
I
Because
I
do
think
the
one
thing
that
we
all
know
is:
blue
lights,
slow,
you
down,
and
if
someone
in
the
Stream
says
they've
never
slowed
down
and
they've
seen
blue
lights,
they're
full
of
it
I
always
slow
down
at
least,
and
so
you
know
have
you
all
had
conversations
with
local
police,
like
police
officers
and
counties
or
local
sheriff's
offices
to
see
if
you
know
they
would
I
know
how
they
contractors
can't
have
blue
lights
and
that's
a
whole
other
conversation
we
won't
get
into.
I
But
in
the
meantime,
what
can
we
do
immediate?
You
know:
can
you
all
partner
with
them
or
even
like
with
the
speed
trap
zones?
I
noticed
I
thought
about
this.
The
other
day
by
my
mom's
house.
There
was
the
it
tells
you
how
fast
you're
going
and
there's
lights
on
top
of
it.
Is
that
something
that
you
all
could
partner
with
to
use
those
in
work
zone
areas.
H
I
want
to
be
clear
that
law
enforcement
is
a
great
partner
with
kytc.
So
all
these
examples
ksb
and
local
law
enforcement
they're
there
when
they
absolutely
can
be,
but,
like
you
said
they
are
spread
thin.
They
can't
be
everywhere
at
once.
The
challenge
really
is
regardless
of
the
penalty,
is:
how
are
we
going
to
enforce
compliance
when
a
law
enforcement
officer
isn't
there
on
scene,
so
I'll
use.
H
The
example
of
there
are
thousands
of
school
buses
on
the
roads
every
morning
during
the
school
year
a
law
enforcement
officer
isn't
following
all
of
those,
but,
however,
there
is
means
for
a
school
bus
driver
to
report
a
violation
of
a
stop.
A
stop
arm,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how,
but
maybe
that's.
Maybe
that
is
a
camera.
Maybe
that
is
just
the
word
of
the
school
bus
driver,
but
there
is
a
way
without
the
law
enforcement
officer
being
there
to
report
those
violations
to
me,
that's
the
challenge,
but
otherwise
he
has
to
answer
your
question.
I
I
would
like
to
say,
and
I
would
love
to
continue
this
conversation
I
know
Kentucky
and
for
better
transportation
hasn't
been
involved
too
I
think
originally,
when
I
reached
out
to
the
cabinet,
I
didn't
get
a
response
on
being
the
partner
with
that,
but
I
know
I
also
didn't
talk
to
secretary
gray
or
a
Mike
about
it.
I
Sorry,
deputy
secretary,
it's
a
conversation
I
would
like
to
be
included
in
I
know
it's
something:
I
brought
to
Chairman
Blanton
as
well
I
understand
that
they
are
good
partners.
I,
think
our
law
enforcement
is
wonderful,
I,
just
think
in
the
meantime
you
know:
what
can
we
do
better
to
do
that
and
I?
You
know
with
the
highway
contractors.
I've
said
you
know
it's
different
with
the
state.
I
I
think
you
know,
but
can
the
highway
contractors
pay
the
local
sheriff's
offices
or
the
local
police
departments
to
have
a
body
out
there,
because
we
we
do
need
to
come
up
with
something
in
the
meantime,
and
even
if
it's
not
a
long-term
fix,
it
would
still
it
could
still
save
a
life,
because
all
the
work
zones
I
went
through
today,
I
think
I
went
through.
I
I
went
to
on
the
Parkway
and
one
in
Clarkson.
There
were.
There
was
nothing
there,
there
were
barrels,
but
there
were
no
police
or
blue
lights
and
I
do
think
that
there's
something
there.
I
I
would
just
like
to
continue
to
have
the
conversation,
probably
just
not
in
committee,
about
it,
but
I
do
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
I'm
afraid
that
we're
going
to
keep
trying
to
have
this
conversation
and
nothing's
going
to
get
done
and
more
people
are
going
to
get
killed
because
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement,
and
so
what
can
we
do
to
in
the
meantime,
to
come
up
with
the
short-term
solution,
while
we
figure
out
the
long-term
solution?
So
thank
you.
J
I
know
politically,
it
can
be
a
tough
one.
You
know
I'm
I
kind
of
tout
on
restricted
government
in
a
lot
of
ways,
but
our
top
priority
is
Public
Safety
and
every
time
I
have
another
victim
and
they
are
victims
come
in
my
office,
another
father,
they're,
burying
and
I
know
that
we
have
failed
to
act
so
I'm
watching
state
after
state.
Do
the
pilot
programs
they're
showing
they
work?
They
slow
things
down.
J
I
know
my
colleague,
Senator
Thomas
has
filed
several
bills
in
the
past
and
I
think
it
can
be
restrictive
and
we
can
do
that
on
a
way
that
whether
or
not
even
the
first
time
is
simply
a
warning
that
comes
out,
but
we,
the
question
was
asked.
You
know
as
far
as
enforcing
our
tickets
that
we
have
now
as
a
former
I
work
at
the
common
attorney's
office
was
the
AG's
office
before
I.
The
Commonwealth
has
the
burden
of
proof,
so
we
get
in
there
A
lot
of
times
we're
the
ones
taking
away
that
proof.
J
Let's
put
the
cameras
up
there,
I
had
a
good
defense,
attorney
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
win
that,
but
it
will
because
the
reason
we
know
it
works
is
because
it's
worked
all
over
the
nation,
so
I
think
that
it
we
can
talk,
and
we
can
all
say
that
we
care,
but
what
we
do
with
our
actions
shows
our
priorities
and
if
we
don't
pass
a
pilot
program,
if
we
don't
put
that
forward
and
vote
Yes,
then
that's
up.
J
That's
we've
actually
voiced
where
we
stand
so
the
next
person
that
dies
the
next
person,
that
is,
that
is
injured
severely
for
the
failure
of
us
to
act.
That's
on
us
I
mean
I'm.
A
member
of
this.
This
body
in
this
committee
and
I,
can
tell
you.
We
fail
to
move
forward.
J
I
think
there
has
to
be
restrictions.
I
think
there
has
to
be
oversight.
I
think
there
could
be
huge,
huge
implications
for
abuse,
but
we
can
write
this
pilot
program
in
a
way
that
has
that
proper
oversight
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
move
forward
and
do
so,
especially
our
ksb
people.
We
ask
them
to
come
sit
and
and
ticket
people
when
we
need
them
all
over
the
place.
Why
wouldn't
we
free
up
those
bodies
by
putting
just
in
the
work
zones
on
those
temporary
cameras?
Thank
you.
A
K
Turner,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I'm,
like
everybody
else,
I'm,
not
going
to
repeat
anything.
They
said
or
try
not
to
anyway,
but
appreciate
everything
you
all
are
doing.
I
just
find
that
there's
one
help
that
would
help,
in
my
opinion,
is
signage.
K
They've,
been
doing
all
kinds
of
things
and
Harlem
they've
got
the
little
sign
that
flashes
people
slow
down
for
it
and
Obey
it
nobody's.
Even
there.
The
guys
that's
got
the
farm
tractors
ought
to
have
a
truck.
That's
got
a
flashing
light
sitting
where
they
start.
People
then
take
notice
if
you've
got
a
constable
setting
with
a
blue
light
at
them
things
people
slow
down,
but
not
having
proper
signage.
You
know
that
section
down
below
Richmond
there.
K
It
was
for
10
days.
Nobody
was
there
except
the
barrels
and
things,
and
there
was
nobody
there,
but
you
had
those
two
narrow
lanes
and
everybody
was
driving.
You
know
70
miles
an
hour
and
if
you
put
those
cameras
up,
that's
going
to
be
the
problem,
you
see
it's,
but
there
was
no
signs
and
I've
complained
to
the
department
about
this
one
half
a
mile
from
where
that
work
began.
It
says,
merge,
left
and
every
three
lanes
are
going
like
this.
K
If
you
all
can't
come
up
with
something,
I
would
suggest
that
we
legislatively
say
five
miles
from
where
there's
a
work.
Zone
that
there'll
be
a
sign
saying,
merge
left
ahead,
not
just
work
ahead.
Work
ahead,
slow
down
ahead
because
those
people-
that's
where
you
see
those
accidents
too
scares
me
going
from
here
to
Harlan.
K
We
had
that
problem
down
on
the
Lexington
Bridge
signage
is
a
good
thing
for
the
public
I'm.
All
for
what
Mr
chairman
said,
make
it
I,
don't
find
ever
that,
there's
a
work.
Zone
and
I've
been
practicing
a
long
time
work
zone,
speed
limits,
dismissed,
make
them
prepayable
for
all
these
people's
out
of
state
and
if
you
want
to
charge
them
100
or
150
dollars,
and
put
that
sign
up,
I've
traveled
a
lot
of
States
like
everybody.
K
When
you
see
that
work
sign,
it
says
minimum
fine,
200
or
whatever
it
is
some
people
slow
down,
and
so
there's
a
minute
there's
a
many
ways,
but
signage
is
a
great
help
to
the
need
of
what
we
have.
And
you
see
some
of
these
work.
Zone
workers
are
in
little,
businesses
are
doing
plenty
of
sizes,
the
one
that
did
that
section
below
Lexington
I'm
down
near
Richmond
didn't
do
the
proper
signs
in
my
opinion,
but
and
it's
a
miracle
I
don't
have
any
accidents
you
had
there,
but
the
signage
was
terrible.
K
So
that
would
be
something
that
I
think
could
help
right
up.
Front
and
court
costs
is
about
157,
I,
think
and
if
you
make
the
penalty
of
another
and
just
let
all
these
people
live
from
out
of
state
pay
that
you
can
mail
it
in,
because
they're
not
going
to
come
back
to
court
but
make
that
science
but
put
no
signs
up
and
saying
you're
going
to
pay
a
250
Dollar
Plus
court
cost
it
slows
people
down.
K
That's
it's
that
notice
in
front
that
you're
going
to
do
that
will
help
I
believe
and
I
know
it's
problem
to
put
signs
up
and
take
them
down,
but
that
shouldn't
be
just
they're
just
orange
and
you
move
them
in
and
out.
So
that's
Mr
chairman
I,
hope
that
we
can
work
on
something
I'll
be
more
glad
to
work
on
something
of
that
nature.
A
L
L
As
many
of
you
are
aware,
we
had
several
deaths
and
things
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
way
you
work
not
only
with
the
state
police,
but
with
the
local
governments,
the
counties
and
cities
and
I
think
we
were
one
of
the
only
interstates
that
had
speed
bumps
put
in
place
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
I,
just
I
I.
You
know
I
just
want
to
brag
on
you
and
say
thank
you
for
addressing
that
quickly
and
swiftly.
L
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
As
I
was
saying
it's
a
conversation.
We
need
me.
We
need
to
move
forward
with,
but
we
need
to
move
forward
with
quickly
be
ready
by
session
to
come
up
with
something
that's
going
to
provide
some
protection
for
our
workers
out
there.
Thank
you
to
all
of
our
district
Engineers
that
are
here
today,
not
just
for
being
here
today,
but
for
what
you
do
day
in
day
out.
A
No
doubt
you
hear
a
lot
of
grumbling
from
the
public
and
I
get
it,
and
we
thank
you
for,
for
all
your
hard
work
and
effort
that
you
and
your
crew,
your
Crews
back
in
your
districts,
do
every
day
for
us
here
in
the
Commonwealth.
We
thank
you
so
moving
forward
to
the
next.
A
We
will
begin
with
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flood
cleanup
and
looks
like
we
have
secretary
gray
and
the
assistant
State
Highway,
engineer,
John
Moore
with
us
today,
gentlemen,
welcome
and
when
you
get
ready,
if
you'll
state
your
name
for
the
record,
you
may
begin.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
again,
it's
Jim,
Gray
and
I
want
to
first
thank
you
for
acknowledging
our
Chiefs
just
District
engineers
and
all
employees.
Just
now,
representative
Blanton,
and
it's
it's
really
gratifying.
I
will
say
this
before
we
get
shift
over
to
the
flood
recovery,
but
it's
very
gratifying
to
hear
the
support
that
that
these
employees
get
routinely
from
many
of
you
all,
because
you
do
engage
and
interact
with
them
a
lot
with
our
Chiefs,
as
well
as
many
of
our
employees
and
the
managers
at
the
on
the
front
line.
D
So
our
next
topic
we're
going
to
Pivot
over
and
bring
you
up
to
date
on
the
cabinet's
efforts
toward
the
continuing
recovery
of
the
Eastern
Kentucky
from
the
devastating
floods
of
almost
one
year
ago
now
significant
strides
have
been
made,
but
they're
still
a
long
way
yet
to
go,
of
course,
and
I'm
joined
today
by
Deputy
State,
Highway,
engineer,
John
Moore,
who
will
introduce
himself
as
well.
John
is
serving
as
the
project
manager
of
our
recovery
response
and
has
done
an
extraordinary
job
from
the
very
beginning.
D
John's
John's
Authority
includes
the
massive
undertaking
of
the
removal
and
disposal
of
the
debris
that
the
flood
waters
left
behind
now,
as
I
think.
Most
of
you
probably
know
it
runs
into
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
tons.
John
will
give
us
some
of
those
facts
and
figures
in
just
a
minute,
and
he
will
also
be
talking
about
our
efforts
to
repair
and
replace
damaged
roads
and
bridges
now
also
with
us
today
and
I
mentioned
this
earlier
is
State
Highway
engineer,
James
Ballinger,
who
is
available
to
help
us
with
questions
as
well.
D
D
D
That's
going
to
be
a
legacy
of
this
recovery
Mission
and
of
this
Administration
and
of
everyone
involved
in
it
through
the
legislative
efforts
as
well.
So
but
for
now
a
lot
of
hard
work
lies
ahead
and,
to
paraphrase
it
was
Winston
Churchill
who
said
this
is
not
the
beginning
of
the
end,
but
it
may
be
the
end
of
the
beginning.
M
Moore
Deputy
State
high
engineer
at
Kentucky
transportation
cabinet
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
background
and
some
details
at
the
request
of
Kentucky
Emergency
Management
at
the
early
stages
of
the
flood
recovery
kytc
led
the
debris
cleanup
mission
for
both
the
state
rights
away,
as
well
as
local,
County
and
City
rights
of
way,
and
the
overall,
the
the
right-of-way
or
the
debris
cleanup
had
three
distinct
phases:
one
the
right-of-way
phase,
the
Waterway
phase,
as
well
as
the
extended
right-of-way
phase,
which
we're
involved
in
at
this
point
the
Rado
Mission.
M
As
I
mentioned,
we
collected
debris
that
was
on
the
right-of-way
as
well
as
debris
that
residents
were
able
to
push
onto
the
right-of-way
in
the
days
following
the
the
disaster
as
part
of
that
after
contractors
collected
almost
160
000
tons
of
debris.
M
Shortly
after
that,
the
right-of-way
phase
kicked
off
due
to
the
urgency
of
of
clearing
out
the
waterways.
Again
Kentucky
emergence
management
asked
kytc
to
to
to
help
clean
out
the
waterways
to
to
help
for
future
rain
events,
so
that
additional
flooding
did
not
occur.
M
The
goal
of
that,
as
I
mentioned,
was
to
remove
the
debris
that
choked
the
waterways
and
streams
in
Eastern
Kentucky
and
the
focus
was
on
drainage
structures
and
Waterway
blockages
that
would
cause
additional
flooding
in
coordination
with
the
United
States
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
as
well
as
the
division
of
water
contractors
removed,
330,
000
tons
of
debris
from
the
waterways
in
the
impacted
area.
M
Finally,
this
spring,
with
the
there
was
indications
that
a
there
was
a
lot
of
debris
remaining
that
could
not
make
its
way
out
to
the
right-of-way
because
of
either
access
issues
or
lack
of
available
right
away
in
the
area
of
of
the
homes.
So,
with
coordination
with
FEMA
and
Kentucky
Emergency
Management,
we
began
a
final
extended
right
away.
Some
people
in
some
parlance
it
may
be
considered
a
private
property
debris
removal
where
we
collected
debris
that
could
not
make
it
out
to
the
right-of-way.
M
And
that's
the
the
background
of
what
we've
done
as
far
as
debris.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
move
into
the
highways
update
or
if
you
want
to.
A
I
was
speaking
to
one
of
my
magistrates
yesterday
and
he
had
a
question
not
knowing
we
were
meeting
today,
but
it
fit
the
agenda
about
some
of
the
original
trees.
Still
in
some
streams
are,
are
there
more
dredging
going
on?
You
said
we
were
in
our
final
phase.
Are
there
more
dredging
or
removal?
Is
that
still
going
on
in
those
areas.
M
So
the
the
Waterway
mission
to
clean
out
the
waterways
we
concluded
that
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
year
last
year,
that
was
with
coordination
with
the
Youth
Corps
of
Engineers
and
Division
of
Water.
Regarding
the
the
scope
of
the
the
the
efforts,
as
well
as
the
using
FEMA's
eligibility
to
guide
the
scope
of
that
mission,.
A
So
then,
that
part
is
completed.
That's
correct,
okay
and
I,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
experienced
and
it's
it's
brought
on
a
whole
new
light,
and
maybe
this
segues
us
into
the
flood
and
the
bridge
repairs,
but
is
issues
from
debris
into
what
we
call
tile
where
I
come
from.
M
A
And
you
know
we
put
tile
in
we
push
dirt
over
it
and
they
drive
across
it
pipe
big
pipe
and
when
you've
got
limbs
that
come
through
there
and
they're
crossed
up
in
every
different
way.
All
they
do
is
create
a
dam
and
everything
behind
that
piece
of
tile
backs
up.
Right,
becomes
a
lake,
and
so
we've
had
some
smaller
flooding,
including
this
past
weekend,
especially
in
in
the
Hindman
area
that
we're
still
seeing
that
debris,
that's
catching
in
those
tile
and
it's
backing
up
and
causing
some
flooding
so
I'm.
A
M
The
Nuance,
with
all
of
Kentucky
streams,
is
the
every
stream
in
Kentucky
has
some
sort
of
vegetative
debris
load
and
the
goal
of
this
effort
was
not
to
to
remove
all
the
vegetative
load
with
every
storm.
M
There's
additional
vegetation
that
falls
into
the
streams
that
causes
additional
issues
at
with
the
in
the
coronation
of
the
experts
that
we
have
I
am
a
no
means,
an
expert
as
far
as
how
much
is
is
too
much
or
too
little
in
the
in
the
waterways,
but
using
the
experts
that
we
did
have
they
concluded
that
at
some
point
we
had
to
stop
and
it
the
the
mechanisms
that
we
were
using.
M
It
was
also
causing
damages
to
the
streams,
and
so
it
was
a
balancing
act
between
collecting
as
much
debris
out
of
the
waterways,
as
we
could
versus
continuing
to
cause
further
harm
to
the
to
the
streams
and
the
those
efforts
now
there.
There
are,
especially
with
additional
events,
there's
opportunities
with
nrcs,
which
the
acronym
it's
part
of
the
Department
of
Agriculture,
there's
funding
available
through
nrcs
to
help
remove
additional
debris
from
the
the
waterways
that
maybe
an
Avenue
to
pursue
as
well.
Okay,.
K
K
What
the
dredging
was
was
going
in
and
getting
the
muck
and
all
that
that
was
in
those
from
all
of
my
counties
up
there,
especially
electric
County.
They
did
all
that,
but
anytime
there's
a
tree
falls
in,
and
you
said
there
was
one
of
the
matchers
ask
about
a
tree
falling
in
the
branch
or
creek.
There's
no
core
of
engineers
problem
about
taking
that
thing
out
what
they
don't
want.
You
is
taking
a
piece
of
equipment
getting
down
in.
K
There
is
what
and
that's
That's
the
basis
of
them
and
I
saw
it
all
over
there
and
Fleming
neon
as
bad
as
that
was
as
bad
a
place
that
you
had
as
the
chairman
was
there.
The
commissioner
was
there
so
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
a
problem
that
you
all
can
check
on
that
for
John,
but
I
don't
see
that
as
a
problem,
because
the
counties
do
it
all
the
time
with
earthquake.
Thank.
O
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
John.
Thank
you
for
and
secretary
gray.
How
much
did
we
end
up
spending
on
on
I
guess
debris
cleanup
and
was
that
general
fund
dollars
or
Transportation
dollars
out
of
the
transfer
and
and
then
I
guess
how
much
was
federal
dollars.
M
So,
the
all
together,
it's
estimated
currently
since
we
still
don't
have
all
the
bills
in
we're.
Looking
at
about
200
million
with
the
debris
cleanup
the
disposal,
as
well
as
the
monitoring
efforts
as
of
right
now,
those
dollars.
Those
expenditures
have
been
passed
along
to
Kentucky,
Emergency,
Management,
so
they're,
not
on
Kentucky's
or
the
transportation
cabinet's
budget.
M
That's
going
to
be
a
mixture
ultimately
of
female
reimbursement,
as
well
as
the
EK
say
fund
that
will
cover
the
25
match
and,
of
course,
the
the
amount
of
each
one
of
those
is
subject
to
eligibility
determination
by
FEMA,
which
is
we're
just
at
the
very
beginning
of
that
and
is
expected
to
be
a
very
prolonged
process.
Yeah.
O
I
was
fortunate
at
the
invitation
of
secretary
gray,
to
get
to
view
the
disaster
area
soon
after
it
happened
and
and
the
debris
and
the
in
the
waterways
was
was
very
extensive
and
in
fact
I
was
I
was
shocked
to
see
that
a
flood
the
destruction
area
looked
just
like
a
tornado
that
had
been
through
it.
It
was
that
type
of
just
total
total
total
Destruction,
and
so
it
was
I
know.
There
was
a
lot
of
cleanup
and,
of
course,
and
I
know
you
don't
want
to
comment
now.
O
I
haven't
read
the
whole
article,
but
there
was
a
not
so
flattering
article
this
morning
about
ashburette
and
that
some
of
their
I
guess
tactics
in
Billing
I.
Don't
have
you
seen
anything
on
that
or
I'd,
probably
rather
not
comment
because
it
just
came
out
but
I
did
I
did
feel
that
I
need
to
mention
that
that
that's
on
the
horizon,
that
those
questions.
D
Well,
let
me
let
me
speak,
I
did
see
it
and
we
were,
of
course
familiar
that
the
work
was
being
done
on
that
on
that
story,
because
John
and
I
both
spoke
to
the
reporters.
We
were
very
open
and
transparent
about
the
process,
but,
let's
dial
back
to
just
almost
a
year
ago,
when
that
devastating
flood
occurred,
43
people
perished
and,
let's
just
compare
how
tragic
that
was.
You
can't
compare
tragedies,
but
in
Vermont
and
Pennsylvania
this
week,
Pennsylvania
five
people
perished,
Souls
were
lost,
Vermont
too,
and
our
flood
43
Souls
were
lost.
D
Counties
were
devastated,
they
were
searching
for
help.
They
were
asking
for
help.
They
did
not
have
the
financial
resources
to
support
the
mission
to
recover
and
they
ask
us
for
help
and
what
I
said
then
was
we
have
boots
on
the
ground.
We
have
these
employees
that
all
of
you
know
in
your
districts
in
these
communities
in
these
counties,
and
we
had
more
coming
from
all
over
the
state
to
help.
D
O
O
Event,
yes,
sir,
and
the
the
magnitude
of
of
there
was
an
army
of
Kentucky
Transportation
logo
Vehicles,
not
asking
any
questions
about
if
it's
a
County,
Road
or
state
road,
just
whatever
it
took
to
make
sure
that
those
folks
had
a
way
to
mainly
to
get
out
at
that.
At
that
point
right
and
then
some
of
them
to
get
back
home
but
and
the
cleanup
effort
I
mean
it
was
it
was
a
monstrous
job
and
and
and
it
needed
to
be
done
yesterday-
and
there
was
a
sense
of
urgency.
O
K
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment:
I
worked
hand
in
hand
with
Aspirin
I
haven't
seen
that
article,
but
they
had
the
security
people
watching
them.
They
had
to
cut
their
equipment
off
when
it
wasn't
moving,
I
mean
FEMA
had
them
covered
up
I,
couldn't
we
swapped
out
work
with
them
or
that
they
couldn't
go
across
something
and
I
had
some
here
that
needed
cleaned
up.
K
Let
them
do
that
and
I
went
up
there
and
cleaned
that
up
just
to
get
the
place
cleaned
up
so
now,
I,
don't
know
what
the
article
says
about
them,
but
I
met
some
of
their
staff
and
a
lot
of
their
employees,
and
we
piled
it
up
up
here
and
they
hauled
it
off.
I
mean
I
worked
with
them
for
from
August
when
they
left
when
they
took
off
to
go
to
Florida
so,
and
you
were.
K
I
can't
understand,
I,
don't
know
what
to
said
bad
about
them,
but
they
were
diligent
working
night.
We
just
like
we
were
hard
and
they
had
people
watch
them
sitting
in
cars.
He
couldn't
do
nothing
wrong
and
some
of
the
stuff
seemed
crazy
to
me
as
a
business
person
trying
to
get
something
done,
but
they
said
we
have
to
follow
that
rule.
So
I,
don't
know
what
the
problem
was.
They
were
excellent
working
when
I
was
there.
A
M
So,
as
chairman
Higdon
mentioned,
the
in
the
immediate
aftermath
of
of
the
flooding,
our
Focus
was
restoring
access
and,
as
part
of
that
was
with
the
impact,
especially
to
the
waterways.
The
first
10
or
11
days
was
focused
on
our
bridges
to
make
sure
they
were
safe
to
cross
for
the
for
the
for
the
public.
So
with
that
over
the
the
we
had
inspectors
come
from
around
the
state,
including
State
and
Consultants
Bakers,
looking
at
1100
Bridges
throughout
the
impacted
areas.
M
Out
of
that,
we
identified
concerns
with
with
166
Bridges,
with
that
the
the.
O
M
Damages
to
those
bridges
range
from
approach,
damage
to
bridges
that
were
absolutely
washed
out,
including
that
were
34
that
will
cut
off
access
to
haulers
or
roadways
that
that
was
the
only
access
to
to
folks
that
lived
back
up
that
that
roadway.
So
that
was
our
primary
concern
was
to
restore
access
in
whatever
method
we
could.
M
This
is
generally
put
in
temporary
Crossings
to
shore
up
and
then
expedite
the
replacement
to
because,
as
you
know,
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
the
rain
is
going
to
come
again
and
we
needed
a
more
permanent
fix
for
that.
Along
with
that,
at
the
same
time
that
we
were
working
on
those
34
critical
locations,
we
identified
51
bridges
that
had
a
more
moderate
damages,
those
we
partnered
with
our
local
counties
and
cities
to
address
those
concerns.
M
These
are
generally
approach,
issues
or
or
tow
wall
issues
that
were
more
moderate
scope
that
the
that
they
could
address
out
of
the
remaining
that
left.
115
Bridges,
including
the
34,
critical
Bridges
and
out
of
those
115
that
the
the
transportation
cabinet
is
delivering.
81
have
been
completed
and
there's
only
12
left
that
have
not
yet
gone
to
contract
and
those
were
actively
working
to
to
get
those
to
contract
as
quickly
as
we
can
beyond
the
beyond
the
bridges,
which
is
a
critical
aspect.
M
The
roadway
damages
that
the
transportation
system
endured.
We
identified
around
500,
distinct
railroad
damages
that
we've
filed
with
FEMA
or
fhwa
Federal
Highway
Administration.
Those
range
from
landslides
to
roadway
slips
to
a
handful
of
locations
where
the
the
roadway
was
washed
out
through
through
a
tile
that
had
been
backed
up
in
the
roadway
had
just
washed
out
I'm
happy
to
say
that
all
of
those
washouts
have
been
fully
restored.
M
Activities,
but
all
in
all
this
deep
into
the
into
the
disaster
I
just
want
to.
We
talked
about
our
make
maintenance
forces
a.
P
M
Ago,
but
with
such
a
devastating
flood
event,
The
Limited
nature
of
the
of
the
damage
to
the
state
system
is
a
testament
to
the
day
in
and
day
out,
activities
of
our
of
our
maintenance
forces
that
are
located
in
every
County
in
the
Commonwealth
their
day
in
day
out,
activities
of
cleaning
ditches,
making
sure
the
the
tiles
flow.
That's
what
that's
the
insurance
that
we
take
out
on
our
roadways
for,
for
these
events,
happy
to
entertaining
questions,
sir.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Moore.
So
if
I
understood
correct,
you
say
we
have
12
bridges
that
are
getting
to
be
completed.
Are
we
anticipating,
before
the
end
of
the
this
current
calendar
year,
that
we
may
be
able
to
get
to
those.
M
These
are
12
that
have
yet
to
go
to
contract
okay,
so
we
do
we're
at
the
the
project
development
stage,
trying
to
get
the
last
last
right-of-way
Parcels
bought
in
order
to
restore
those.
So
we
do
anticipate
those
will
be
done
this
year,
but
That's
Not
always
completely
in
our
control.
I.
A
Understand
I
understand.
Thank
you
for
that
that
update-
and
let
me
say
this-
our
state
and
our
County
roads
and
bridges
got
hit
very
hard
up
in
our
area.
I
spent
many
many
days
with
many
many
hours
in
the
day
throughout
that
region.
During
that
time,
and
as
one
of
the
maybe
in
the
senator
chairman
Higdon
said
you
guys
were
everywhere.
You
were
pitching
in
and
and
I
understand.
Sometimes
we
have
to
say
was
this
a
county
or
is
this
a
state
issue?
A
But
this
was
just
a
people
issue
and
you
jumped
in
you
your
folks
shine.
Now
there
was
other
state
agencies
that
signed
to,
but
we're
talking
about,
Transportation
right
now,
you're,
almost
folks,
shined
up
there
in
what
I
seen
and
I
was
around
them
every
day
they
were
working
countless
hours,
they
were
getting
the
job
done
and
I'm
thankful
for
all
the
work
that
you
did
that
you've
been
there
with
us,
even
today,
we're
coming
up
on
the
one
year
anniversary
soon
and
you're.
A
O
Just
when
we
talk
about
the
bridges
and
and
secretary
gray
and
James
Ballinger,
when
we
went
up
through
there
that
day,
I
mean
substantial
Bridges
were
no
longer
there,
just
one
after
another.
After
another.
After
another
and
I
think
we
talked
to
one
County
judge
and
talked
about.
There
was
30
some
bridges
in
his
County
that
were
missing
very,
and
so
it
was
it
was.
O
Were
there
I'll
tell
you
a
quick
story:
Mr
chairman
I,
a
few
days
after
that
I
was
I,
was
going
to
Hodgenville
and
I
run
across,
say
my
crew
from
Marion
County
out
on
the
road
and
as
I
got
closer
I
could
tell
it
was
it
was
the
the
foreman
of
the
of
the
bunch
and
he
was
flagging
and
I
asked
him
if
he
got
a
promotion,
he
said
I'm,
the
only
one
left.
Everybody
else
is
in
Eastern
Kentucky.
O
O
Was
It
was
a
full-scale
mobilization
and,
and,
like
I
said
it
was,
it
was
impressive
to
see
the
number
of
State
the
amount
of
State
equipment
in
Eastern
Kentucky
just
several
days
after
the
disaster.
So
again
it
a
lot
of
good
things
were
done.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
N
Representative
branscome,
thank
you
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
both
for
your
your
work
in
this
I
know
we're
you
know
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
here
on
the
build
backs
and
and
one
question
I
have
I
know,
a
lot
of
these
roads
are
probably
being
built
back
in
flood
Plains.
Are
we
doing
anything
either
through
engineering
practices
or
rerouting
of
roads,
which
is
probably
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
do
to
mitigate
this?
If
or
when?
As
you
said,
the
rains
come
again.
M
I'm
happy
to
say
that
that
a
majority
of
the
bridges
that
that
that
survived
the
flood
that
just
had
minimum
or
moderate
damages
were
those
that
are
on
our
inventory.
Those
are
our
over
20-foot
bridges
that
we
visit
every
two
years
at
a
minimum,
and
these
are
ones
that
that
we,
we
know
how
well
they're
built
we.
M
We
know
their
their
capacity
to
withstand
flood
events
out
of
the
the
115
severely
damaged
Bridges
about
70
of
those
were
uninventory
Bridges
ones
that
we
had
not
did
not
have
detailed
information
on
so
and
part
of
those.
M
We
had
a
a
variety
of
bridges
out
there,
including
some
that
that
used
old,
junked
out
cars
as
as
abutments,
and
that
so
the
it's
I
would
I
would
attest
that
the
issue
is
not
as
severe
as
it
appears,
because
the
the
inventory
structures
held
up
very
well,
except
when
there's
a
any
structure
that
has
a
a
flow
of
debris
coming
through
and
puts
that
much
lateral
pressure
on
it
is
going
to
have
trouble
surviving.
But
by
and
large
the
the
inspected
Bridges
throughout
Eastern
Kentucky
handle
the
flood
extraordinarily
well.
D
A
J
A
With
any
questions
for
them,
if
not
Mr
Ballinger
you
got
anything
you
want
to
add
I
mean.
Have
you
heard
anything
I
always
meet
you
with
a
smiling
with
a
smile
from
you
and
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity,
if
you
have
anything
to
say.
Q
Chairman
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
with
with
the
committee
and
also
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
the
positive
comments
and
acknowledgment
of
the
State
Highway
staff,
though
they've
worked
so
hard
as
I
was
talking
to
John
Moore
and
secretary
gray
earlier
today,
and
as
the
one
year
anniversary
of
the
flooding
event
is
approaching
us
and
and
as
we
went
on
and
took
the
tour
with
Senator
Higdon,
it
was
on
the
Friday
after
the
flooding
event
occurred,
though,
and
after
a
long
career
in
transportation,
I'd
never
seen
anything
like
it
before
and
I
knew
that
it
was
a
major
disaster
and
I
knew
it
was
going
to
take
a
lot
of
Partnerships
and
a
lot
of
folks
working
together
and
I
just
want
to
think
this
group,
this
body
for
the
support.
Q
Thank
the
counties.
Thank
the
secretary
for
his
leadership
during
this
time
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
done.
There
is
still
work
to
be
accomplished
and
needs
to
be
completed,
though,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
their
support
of
our
crew
and
our
team,
and
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
D
Secretary,
thank
you.
You
know
one
thing
just
as
a
footnote:
the
there's
so
much
work
being
underway
with
these.
These
High
Ground
communities
today
as
well
and
the
governor
has
been
just
rigorously
on
top
of
that,
and
so
has
so
many
other
agencies
in
the
administration
and
it's
it.
I
use
the
word
gratifying
earlier,
but
you
know
it's
it's
it's
very
gratifying.
It's
also
inspiring
because
so
much
so
much
has
to
be
done
in
order
to
create
those
opportunities
and
those
communities,
but
that
work
that
I've
been
in
the
construction.
D
Like
representative
Branson,
been
in
the
construction
business,
all
my
life
and
I've
I've
rarely
seen
the
kind
of
mobilization
of
talent
that's
coming
together
to
to
design
and
create
and
secure
and
then
construct
these
communities.
It's
and
I
know
you
all
are
all
interested
in
it
and
that
work
is
that
work
is
very
much
underway.
D
A
Thank
you
Mr
secretary
and
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
gonna
Veer
off
topic
and
give
a
little
latitude
to
Central.
Yates
he's
got
an
EV
question
for
you
before
you
get
going.
D
J
First
of
all,
thank
you,
Senator
Yates!
Thank
you
guys
and
I
appreciate
you
guys
entertaining
this.
This
is
a
question
that
I
get
a
lot
in
my
district.
It's
something
that
I've
talked
about
quite
a
bit
over
the
past
couple
years
and
I
saw
that
last
week.
J
Ohio
is
the
one
of
the
first
states
to
kind
of
lead
and
go
ahead
in
the
Federal
National
Electric
Vehicle
infrastructure
program,
the
Navy
money,
and
they
would
have
disseminated
that
and
they
had
a
procurement
that
kind
of
went
out
and
it
looked
like
it's
pretty
fair.
They
kind
of
went
out
and
had
lots
of
Partners
come
in
place,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
where
we
were
with
that.
J
That
just
see,
if
we're
going
to
do
something
similar
where
we
have
a
lot
of
competition,
looks
like
they
get
good
good
costs
coming
on
that
I
think,
like
you
know,
just
a
couple
of
them
got
most
of
them,
but
it
looked
like
it
brought
a
lot
of
people
to
the
table
which
kept
those
down
so
I
wanted
to
see
where
we
were
with
disseminating
that
we
get
talked
a
whole
lot
about
early
on.
J
You
know
us
kind
of
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
too
with
legislators.
Here,
a
lot
of
people
invested
into
the
electric
vehicles,
I
knew
they
were
talking
about
putting
charging
stations
here
and
then
working
them
down
64
to
make
sure
they're
in
place.
So
we
can
kind
of
lead,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
update
on
that
where
we
were
with
procurement
and
then
the
the
thoughts
on
the
the
Tesla
charging
connectors
I
know
that
congratulations
kind
of
on
us
being
one
of
the
first
ones
with
that.
J
But
if
you
kind
of
just
give
us
an
update,
I've,
probably
gotten,
maybe
15
requests
in
probably
the
past
few
weeks,
so
I
thought.
While
you
were
here,
if
we
could
maybe
address
that.
M
The
reason
you
may
have
gotten
a
lot
of
requests
is
we
have
an
active
RFP
on
the
street
and
it's
scheduled
to
conclude,
August
24th
and
so
very
similar.
We
used
Ohio's,
we
were
familiar
with
Ohio's
procurement
and
we
adapted
it
to
Kentucky's
unique
aspects
so
we're
actively
on
the
street
with
very
similar
dispersion
throughout
the
state,
to
try
and
to
fill
the
interstates
and
Parkways.
Regarding
the
the.
H
M
Versus
NAX,
the
Tesla
versus
the
the
Navy
standard,
the
Navy
requires
CCS
sports
with
the
with
the
Ford
announcing
their
transition
to
to
NAX
beginning
in
2025.
We
included
that
in
our
RFP
we
have
received
concerns
from
the
industry
regarding
their
ability
to
to
meet
schedule
on
that.
M
So
we're
looking
into
that
and
are
looking
to
see
how
to
respond
to
that
based
on
information
that
they
provide,
as
well
as
other
information
as
well.
So.
J
Okay
and
that
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
it
because,
obviously,
with
the
plants
here
and
the
battery
plants
here,
there's
a
lot
of
people,
including
myself,
that
have
put
in
orders
for
for
some
of
the
the
Fords
and
some
of
the
local
vehicles,
and
they
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
provide
the
the
charging
stations
available.
And
do
you
feel
confident
that
I
can
return
a
yes
that
that's
something
we'll
be
committed
to
there.
M
Was
one
of
the
the
the
early
directives
that
I
received
from
both
the
governor
as
well
as
my
secretary,
is
that
we
we
need
to
assure
that
our
charging
stations
are
compliant
with
the
batteries
that
are
produced
in
Kentucky.
So
that's.
A
D
Summary
real,
quick,
just
a
summary
on
where
we
are
vis-a-vis
compared
to
other
states.
We
were
among
the
top
10
to
get
our
requests
for
proposals
the
rfps
out,
and
we
are
very
much
on
schedule
today.
So
that's
we're
hoping
I'm
I'm.
Finding
some
wood
here
to
knock
on
y'all,
but
John
is
John
has
said
by
the
end
of
the
end
of
the
year
right,
you're,
hoping
to
have
go
ahead
and
say
that
so.
M
Our
goal
is,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
to
have
Charters
under
construction.
D
A
You
for
your
Indulgence
today
for
us,
but
we're
not
done
with
with
Jason,
yet
we're
going
to
talk
about
truck
rest
area,
availability
and
Jason
will
turn
the
table
over
to
you.
F
All
right
and
again
I'm
Jason
sawal
at
Deputy,
State
Highway
engineer
for
kytc
and
with
us,
was
our
our
project
manager
for
our
truck
parking
assessment
and
Action
Plan
update
Jeremy.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
to
introduce
yourself.
F
All
right,
and
so
for
anybody
who
might
not
be
familiar.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
the
challenge
of
ensuring
that
there
is
adequate
facilities
available,
be
those
public
or
private
for
a
commercial
vehicle
operators
to
be
able
to
find
places
to
rest
that
are
safe
and
that
are
are
not
parked
along
the
shoulders
of
our
highways,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
you
know,
I
I've
always
heard
that
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words,
and
so
I'll
just
show
a
couple
of
these
photos.
F
The
the
one
on
the
left
is
one
of
our
one
of
our
rest
or
our
rest
areas.
That
has
a
a
truck
parking
component,
but
you
can
see
up
toward
the
top
of
the
picture
there
that
at
night
folks
are
parked
all
the
way
back
up
through
that
ramp,
and
if
we
looked
at
the
exit
ramp,
you
would
probably
see
a
similar
picture
on
that
evening,
as
you
do
on
many
on
many
evenings
and
from
from
the
driver's
perspective.
F
F
You
know
something
that
continues
to
be
a
problem
with
just
in
time
delivery
Concepts
from
in
from
Industries
and-
and
the
answer
is
yes,
you
know,
as
we
look
at
that
just
in
time
delivery
concept,
you
know
folks
need
places
to
stage
and
they
need
places
to
rest
when
they're
waiting
to
go
and
pick
things
up
or
drop
things
off,
and
so
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
things
about
this
that
are
both
wrapped
up
in
in
the
public
space
and
the
private
space,
and
so
what
what
our
truck
parking
study
did
was
over
this
span
of
about
18
months
plus
or
minus?
F
We
we
took
these
10
steps
if
you
will
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
what
the
opportunity
was
for
truck
parking
improvements
again
with
the
goal
of
improving
safety
on
the
system,
and
so
you
know
the
first
place.
We
always
start.
Is
that
we're
going
to
collect
data?
We're
going
to
look
at?
You
know
existing
utilization
things
like
that.
F
You
know
measure
existing
truck
parking,
Supply
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
in
just
a
couple
minutes,
and
then
you
know
one
of
the
things
about
it
is
once
you
know
how
much
Supply
there
is.
You
need
to
figure
out
what
what
the
actual
demand
is
for
that,
and
you
know
as
folks
know,
if
you're
traveling
out
there
around
our
state,
you
know
you'll
see
that
trucks
don't
only
run
at
certain
times
of
the
day.
F
Obviously,
there's
Commerce
moving
over
our
Highway
Network
at
all
hours
of
the
day,
day
and
night,
and
so
when,
when
you
think
about
it,
this
isn't
just
a
you
know
a
daytime
thing
or
you
can't
just
only
see
it
at
night.
There's
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
that,
and
so
we
we
looked
at
trying
to
figure
that
out
as
well
identify
and
prioritize
truck
parking
needs.
That's
obviously
one
of
the
primary
goals
here.
F
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
call
attention
to
on
the
right
of
this
slide
is
in
green,
where
we
did
some
public
involvement
and
we
talked
to
members
of
the
commercial
motor
vehicle
Community,
trying
to
figure
out
things
that
are
important
to
them.
What
types
of
challenges
they
have
and
and
did
that
in
a
way
that,
as
I've
talked
to
folks
around
the
country,
you
know
we,
we
had
folks
that
were
very
appreciative
of
of
Jeremy's
approach
in
doing
that,
because
that's
not
always
something
that's
asked
of
those
commercial
motor
vehicle
operators.
F
As
we
look
at
these,
these
items
from
a
truck
parking
perspective
identify
places
where
we
might
be
able
to
do
some
more
truck
parking
on
the
public
right-of-way.
Now,
as
I
will
get
into
in
a
minute.
You
know,
there's,
obviously
you
know
public
solutions
for
this
and
there's
there's
private
solutions
for
this
and
and
figuring
out
what
the
what
the
optimal
way
to
work
together
with
folks
is
part
of
how
what
we
were
doing
here
too.
You
know
we
want
to
prioritize
those
expansions
and
look
at
innovative
solutions.
F
So
I
know
that
there's
been
questions
from
various
folks
about
you
know.
Has
anybody
seen
the
signs
on
the
side
of
the
highway?
You
know
coming
up
into
a
lot
of
times.
It
might
be
a
major
urban
area
that
says
you
know
truck
parking
availability
and
it
might
have
two
or
three
different
spots
listed
where
truck
parking
might
be
available.
That
was
a
part
of
a
a
regional
pilot.
F
We
did
with
actually
the
the
Mid-Atlantic
States
looking
at
the
opportunities
for
truck
parking
and
to
be
able
to
communicate
about
that
building
all
the
parking
in
the
world
world
of
folks
don't
know
where
it
is
or
how
to
access
it.
You
know
doesn't
really
solve
a
problem,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
not
only
that
capacity
is
available,
but
also
that
people
know
how
to
interact
with
it
and
where
it
is
and
how
to
get
to
it.
You
know
looking
at
parking
expansion
designs,
we
went
out
and
talked
to
folks
again.
F
That's
one
of
the
things
that,
and
so,
as
we
talk
to
them
about
opportunities
that
we
had
at
the
at
the
rest
areas
and
at
the
weigh
stations,
we
sought
their
input
as
well,
and
then
all
of
that
culminated
in
the
development
of
a
final
action
plan
and
report
so
quickly,
just
over
7
500
truck
parking
spaces.
Okay
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
is
both
public
and
private.
F
Okay,
so
kytc
maintains
approximately
28
of
those
types
of
locations
and
again
this
is
primarily
rest
areas
and
weigh
stations
that
have
approximately
a
thousand
and
fifty
spaces.
Over
half
of
the
identified
truck
parking
spaces
are
along
I-65
and
I-75,
those
having
more
than
2
000
spaces
along
their
along
those
respective
corridors.
Each
and
the
private
sector
provides
more
than
80
percent
of
Kentucky
Truck
Parking,
with
a
capacity
of
just
over
6
000
spaces,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
various
types
of
things,
but
you
can
think
about.
F
You
know
things
like
pilots
and
and
Flying
Js
and
other
manufacturers
of
in
truck
stops,
and
things
like
that
that
provide
not
only
parking
but
other
ancillary
services
that
are
needed
when
we
went
out
and
did
that
public
involvement.
One
of
the
things
that
we
heard
from
the
CMV
Community
was
that
there
are
certainly
opportunities
to
improve
truck
parking,
but
that
really
those
other
amenities
are
things
that
that
they
also
need
in
order
to
do
their
job
safely,
and
so
this
this
slide
here
is
a
little
bit
of
an
eye
chart.
F
But
what
I
really
want
to
call
your
attention
to
is
that
between
6
pm
and
8
am
at
this
particular
set
of
rest
areas
and
I
believe
that
these
were
actually
in
Northern
Kentucky.
We
were
showing
either
at
or
above
capacity
from
that
6
pm
to
8,
A.M
time
frame
and
when
we
look
at
that
from
a
three-year
Trend
perspective,
that
also
showed
increasing
need,
not
decreasing
need.
F
And
so,
as
we
continue
to
look
at
this,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
looking
back
at
data
and
looking
at
historical
items
that
we,
we
were
able
to
confirm
that
this
was
not.
You
know,
kind
of
a
blip,
but
it
was
a
trend
that
still
needed
to
be
addressed.
This
map,
which
is
in
here
mostly
for
your
reference
but
I'll,
talk
about
it
for
just
a
second.
F
You
know
just
shows
in
these
these
purple
circles
kind
of
show
a
magnitude
of
unmet
capacity
needs
so
in
in
our
state,
and
you
can
see
that
just
about
every
one
of
these
is
along
an
interstate
or
a
Parkway,
okay,
and
so,
as
you
look
at
that,
the
the
opportunity
here
again
is
for
us
to
be
working
in
a
meaningful
way
to
help
provide
these
types
of
truck
parking
facilities,
not
necessarily
only
on
the
public
rights
of
way,
but
also
in
partnership
with
private
folks
as
well.
F
And
so
you
know
that
that
action
plan
that
I
mentioned
on
the
first
slide
prioritized
a
list
of
improvements
on
the
public
rights
of
way
and
that's
something
that
we
have
as
a
part
of
our
final
report.
There's
27
conceptual
designs
in
in
that
in
that
report,
as
well
looking
at
at
how
we
might
actually
go
about
making
some
of
those
improvements.
F
10
of
those
sites
have
15
percent.
If
you
will
Design,
which
means
that
we
went
a
little
bit
further
with
those
to
be
able
to
to
do
just
a
little
bit
beyond
the
proof
of
concept.
The
schedule
was
developed
and
when
I
say
schedule,
please
take
that
not
not
to
mean
like
how
many
days
it'll
take,
but
in
general,
how
long
would
this
take
in
terms
of
years,
construction
Seasons
that
type
of
thing
to
look
at
overall?
How
long
it
might
take
to
implement
some
of
those
recommendations?
F
F
What
those
funding
options
might
be,
and
then
partnership
opportunities
as
well-
and
you
know
we
sent
this
over
last
week
and
I-
wanted
to
make
sure
just
for
for
reference
that
there
was
a
a
kind
of
a
summary
of
what
those
public
sector
side
items
were,
and
so
there's
a
a
look
at
what
what
the
recommendations
of
that
study
were
on
that
last
slide
there.
F
But
beyond
that,
Jeremy
and
I
are
happy
to
take
questions
and
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
over
and
speak
with
you
today
on
this
important
topic.
R
It's
obviously
a
very
important
issue
and,
as
Jason
noted
you
know,
we
have
about
9
000
trucks
per
night
that
are
looking
for
a
place
to
park
and
where
we
only
have
7
500
spaces
throughout
the
state.
There's
1500
drivers
are
looking
for
a
place
to
park,
and
while
this
is
not
necessarily
only
a
state
problem,
what
we
found
is
that,
when
trucks,
the
private
facilities
are
overloaded,
that's
when
they
seem
to
run
onto
our
ramps
and
our
shoulders
and
then
becomes
a
public
problem.
You
know
we
admit
we're.
R
O
Thank
you
Jason,
and
in
this
past
budget
we
did
I
think
there
was
two
or
three
different
locations
where
we
spent
a
million
dollars
to
expand
truck
parking
at
some
of
the
rest
areas
and
and
how
many?
How
many
was
that?
Do
you
remember
right
off
I
think
it
was
at
two,
maybe
three
to.
F
O
F
Yeah
so
there
there
has
been
the
announcement
and
and
the
conceptual
looking
at
additional
grants
specifically
for
truck
parking,
and
so
those
are
things
that
we're
evaluating
as
we
look
at
the
rest
of
the
transportation
systems
needs
as
well.
Yes,
yes,
sir
Mr
chairman.
J
Senator
Yates,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair
again,
I
know
that
we
all
bring
our
different
hats
on
here
and
so
year
after
year,
I
have
horrific,
oxidant
cases,
motor
vehicle
accidents
for
the
truck
drivers
that
park
on
the
side
of
the
ramps,
where
the
trailer
will
hang
over
that
white
line
when
an
individual
comes
in
they're
merging
there.
By
the
time
the
merge
happens,
it's
too
late
and
winds
up
I
mean
just
horrific
injuries
after
injuries
where
they
do
that
a
lot
of
times
they
don't
have
the
cone
set
up
back
earlier.
J
R
We've
had
discussions
with
our
law
enforcement.
Community
they've
been
great
partners
with
us
on
this
study
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
noted
is
that
they
want
to
run
the
drivers
off
out
of
these
spaces,
but
they
realize.
Where
are
they
going
to
go?
I
mean
the
drivers,
don't
have
any
place
for
them
to
go,
and
so
the
hope
is
if
we
can
add
capacity
in
these
areas
that
will
give
the
law
enforcement
officers
opportunity
to
say
hey,
there's
available
spaces
here,
move
into
those
rather
than
just
parking
our
shoulders.
R
J
Up
so
my
understanding
here,
it's
a
it's
against
the
law.
We
know
that
it
kills
constituents,
so
they
have
the
option
either
violating
their
code
because
they
went
too
far
by
driving
or
putting
people
in
danger.
So
I
hope,
as
I
said
here
today,
that
they're
not
enforcing
it,
because
they
think
they
don't
have
somewhere
else
to
go
because
they're
they
need
to
move
on
down
the
road.
I'll
say
that
as
I
think
of
two
individuals
who
lost
their
life
so
I
do
hope.
That's
something
we
will
enforce.
F
And
certainly
on
the
transportation
cabinet's
end
I
mean
I've,
been
in
front
of
this
committee
numerous
times
talking
about
preventing
serious
injuries
and
deaths
across
you
know
all
of
our
roadway
users,
and
and
so
that
that's
obviously
something
that's
important
to
us
and,
as
we've
discussed
with
our
law
enforcement
Partners,
you
know
they.
They
are
out
there
actively
doing
a
lot
of
these
things,
and
these
are.
F
This
is
the
feedback
that
they
are
receiving,
and
so
you
know,
Jeremy
I
think
was
just
trying
to
to
explain
the
the
the
magnitude
of
the
of
the
challenge
is
that
you
know
if
if
they
go
and
knock
on
a
window,
obviously
those
folks,
you
know
they
they
get
up
and
they
go
somewhere
else.
We
we
want
to
try
and
ensure
that
there's
a
space,
a
a
place
where
they're
not
going
to
be
putting
themselves
or
those
constituents
in
danger
to
do
that.
So,
but.
S
Yeah
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
I'm,
probably
one
of
the
few
people
on
the
committee
that
actually
has
my
class
A
CDL
and
have
had
to
drive
these
things
all
over
the
country
and
stuff
and
and
truck
parking.
Is
it's
a
nightmare?
Thank
goodness
for
sometimes
Walmarts
or
something
like
that
that
you
can
they
they
don't
mind
you
park
in
there
or
they
might
they
just
don't
say
anything,
but
it
is
true.
You
you
basically,
if
you're
going
to
get
in
one
of
those
Flying,
J's
or
Pilots
or
loves,
or
something
like
that
truck.
S
Stop
you
better
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
four
to
four
Thirty
and
that's
tough
on
drivers,
because
I
know
myself,
you
know,
I
might
have
a
delivery
and
I
was
in
furniture,
and
it
would
be
that
next
morning
and
you
can't
so
sometimes
you
know
I'm
glad
I
didn't
know,
Center
Yates
then,
and
he
didn't
sue
me
for
parking
on
a
ramp
but
I
hate
to
say.
I
might
have
done
that
once
or
twice
there,
but
because
there's
there's
there
aren't
any
options,
and
the
problem,
too
is
has
gotten
a
little
bit
worse.
S
I
think,
since
we've
switched
from
paper
logs
to
to
the
you
know,
elts
that
that
actually
will
pinpoint
you
to
the
minute
and
the
second,
and
that
makes
it
tough
on
these
drivers
when
suddenly
they
know
they
got
30
minutes
left
they're
on
a
long
strip
with
with
nothing
nowhere
to
park,
and-
and
you
just
do
your
best
and
and
so
saying
that
some
of
these
ramps
and
I've
had
some
constituents
reach
out
to
me.
Some
rents
do
not
have
signs
and
then
others
I
I
strictly
see.
S
S
And
then
I've
you
know
for
on
the
trucking
side,
they
sit
there
well,
if
they
could
park
there
be
nice
to
put
trash
cans
out
because
I
I
think
some
of
the
complaints
from
my
constituents
is
is
the
trash.
That's
left
there,
not
so
much
the
safety
side
of
it,
especially
on
the
train,
the
ramps
that,
as
you're
getting
back
on
I,
think
they're
a
little
safer.
Then
it's
the
off
ramp
when
you're
doing
seven,
you
have
to
slow
down
to
35
and
there's
trucks.
S
There
that's
the
danger-
and
so
but
thank
y'all
for
for
your
report
and
I
hope
hope
has
both
aspects
of
it.
We
can.
We
can
find
out
something
that
we
can
help
these
guys
and
girls.
A
That's
it
all
right,
no
further
correction,
quite
great
job
guys.
We
appreciate
the
information
next
up
and
last
on
our
agenda.
We
have
one
regulation
today
to
review
dealing
with
motorcycle
safety
education
program,
Mr
Johnson,
Mr
Huber.
Are
you
guys
here
and
welcome
and
if
you
all,
would
please
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
give
us
a
brief
description
of
the
regulation
and
we'll
see
if
there's
any
questions
that
the
members
might
have.
C
C
That
better,
yes,
sir,
thank
you,
I'm
John,
Johnson
assistant,
general
counsel,
officer
of
Legal
Services,
Kentucky
transportation
cabinet
this
regulation.
Today
it
originated
in
the
Justice
cabinet.
It
started
the
migration
over
to
the
transportation
last
year.
We
re-codified
it
to
make
it
one
of
our
own,
and
we
also
want
to
incorporate
some
changes
that
were
necessitated
by
a
house
bill
125
and
that
came
from
the
2021
regular
session.
C
One
of
the
problems
with
the
regulation
as
it
existed.
We
had
a
website
that
was
non-functional.
We
wanted
to
make
changes
to
the
regulation
to
incorporate
a
proper
procedure
for
motorcycle
training
to
occur.
So
with
that
being
said,
as
that's
my
brief
summary
I'll
turn
it
over
to
subject
matter:
expert
Mr,
Juber,.
P
I'm
Jay
Uber
I'm
the
program
administrator
for
the
writer
education
committee
or
program.
You
know
here
in
the
State.
As
you
know,
Mr
Johnson
said
it's
primarily
due
to
some
legislative
changes
that
have
happened
over
the
years,
as
well
as
just
some
procedural
changes
that
you
know
to
run
the
program
very
effectively
which,
by
the
way,
just
to
give
you
an
update.
We
had
our
banner
year
this
last
year,
so
over
the
fiscal
year,
23
had
4091
students
through
the
program.
A
Appreciate
you
all
seeing
none,
let
the
record
show
that
the
regulation
has
been
reviewed.
That
was
pretty
simple
right.
We
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Let
me
give
a
quick
reminder
before
we
adjourn
to
the
members
that
are
still
here
with
us
that
we
have
a
quick
turnaround
on
our
next
committee
meeting.
It
will
be
on
Tuesday
August,
the
1st,
so
today's
the
18th,
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
two
weeks
from
today
at
1pm
in
this
same
room,
so
nothing.