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A
All
the
meeting
to
order,
I'm
glad
I
got
awfully
quiet
when
I
came
here
this
morning.
I
thought
it
was
a.
I
don't
know,
know
what
it
was,
but
anyway
I
apologize
for
being
late.
I
was
standing
outside
the
door
talking,
which
I
do
too
much
anyway.
If
the
secretary
would
call
the
roll.
C
A
We
do
have
a
quorum
today
if
everybody
would
join
me
in
standing
up
and
we'll
do
the
pledge.
Then
afterwards,
chairman
heath
is
gonna.
Do
a
prayer
for
us.
A
C
Under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all,
let's
have
a
moment
of
prayer
father,
we're
thankful
to
you
for
this
time.
We
can
gather
together
with
these
ag,
leaders
and
business
leaders
from
across
the
state,
got
our
footsteps
and
our
paths
as
we
move
forward
and
forgive
us
of
our
sins
and
we
fail
you
in
jesus
name.
We
pray,
amen.
A
A
I
think
well,
I
appreciate
everybody
being
here
today,
like
we
got
a
good
crowd
today
and
we
got
a
good
many
things
to
go
over.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
the
minutes?
D
A
C
C
I
have
mr
caleb
ragland's
in
the
audience
with
us.
Caleb
needs
no
introduction,
but
caleb's
a
good
old,
larue
county
board
and
glad
to
see
him
up
here
this
morning.
Please
make
him
feel
welcome.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
E
You
thank
you
so
much
well,
folks.
We
need
some
rain
in
kentucky,
most
of
state's
still
in
a
moderate
or
abnormally
dry
state
right
now.
So
please
keep
our
farmers
and
your
prayers
county
fairs
are
up
and
rolling,
and
thank
you
for
productive
legislative
session
on
agriculture
as
well,
and
we're
still
taking
volunteers
for
the
kentucky
state
fair.
E
So
if
you
all
want
to
come
work
with
us,
especially
in
the
show
rink
just
let
us
know,
we
won't
charge
you
at
all,
but
we
could
use
some
extra
pair
of
hands
at
state
fair
next
month
before
we
get
started
here.
I
just
have
a
couple
introductions.
If
you
don't
mind,
we
do
have
a
group
of
our
kentucky
department
of
agriculture
interns.
If
you'd
like
to
please
stand
and
be
welcomed.
E
E
We
have
a
lot
of
subjects
to
cover
this
morning,
so
I'll
be
brief.
Today,
we'd
like
to
focus
on
an
issue,
that's
been
lingering,
not
just
in
kentucky
but
nationwide,
and
that
is
a
shortage
of
large
animal
veterinarians
across
kentucky.
Some
areas
are
worse
than
others,
but
just
remember
that
kentucky
is
a
livestock
state.
Actually,
a
majority
of
our
cash
receipts
come
from
livestock,
and
so
we
have
inadequate
access
to
veterinarian
services.
It
becomes
a
problem
real
big.
E
This
has
been
an
issue,
it's
been
lingering
for
at
least
a
decade
or
so,
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
programs
in
place
that
are
helping
this,
but
we
think
that
we
can
do
a
little
bit
better
and
that's
why
we're
meeting
with
you
all
today.
Our
existing
programs
happen
to
be
usda
loan
repayment
programs
for
those
veterinarians
serving
in
underserved
or
non-served
areas.
E
We
also
have
a
loan
program
through
the
kentucky
office
of
ag
policy,
where
perhaps
a
young
veterinarian
has
the
ability
to
access
low
interest
loans
to
buy
out
an
existing
retiring
veterinarian
as
well,
and
that
is
working
across
kentucky
and,
of
course,
there's
our
reciprocity
agreement
that
you
all
generously
fund
each
year,
38
slots
with
auburn
veterinarian
school
three
slots
with
tuskegee
that
reciprocity
agreement's
been
in
effect
since
harry
truman
was
president
of
the
united
states.
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
go
down
there
twice
to
attend
graduation
ceremonies
and
attend
a
tour
of
their
facilities.
E
Yet,
despite
all
these
programs,
we
still
seem
to
suffer
prickly
in
the
more
rural
areas,
access
to
large
animal
veterinarians,
and
so
we
decided
to
press
the
reset
button
and
start
a
dialogue
with
many
of
the
folks
that
are
in
the
audience
here
today
about
what
we
can
do
and
last
month
kentucky
state
university
hosted
us
at
the
research
farm,
along
with
our
office,
the
office
state
veterinarian
the
kentucky
board
of
veterinary
examiners,
the
kentucky
veterinary
medical
association
kentucky
office
of
ag
policy,
as
well
as
representatives
of
auburn
university
college
of
veterinary
medicine,
as
well
as
meeting
the
crowd.
E
I
think
chairman
heath
was
there
as
well,
and
so
we
just
want
to
see
what
we
can
do.
What
can
we
do?
We
challenge
the
group
to
be
bold.
We
want
to
not
leave
any
option
off
the
table.
We
have
to
consider
loan
repayment
programs
like
what
we're
seeing
in
a
lot
of
the
medical
services
right
now
or
perhaps
creative
programs
where
a
veterinarian,
if
we
give
them
an
incentive
that
they'll
practice
at
least
a
couple
days
a
week
in
these
underserved
areas,
and
so
we,
this
was
a
first
meeting.
E
What
we
envisioned
to
be
many
farm
bureau
was
there
as
well
the
cattlemen's,
our
pork
producers,
our
friends
of
the
poultry
industry,
et
cetera
et
cetera,
but
we
basically
have
a
year
and
a
half
left
until
I
leave
office.
And
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
address
this
problem
efficiently,
but
also
if
we
have
to
approach
the
general
assembly
next
session
for
some
sort
of
help
or
relief
or
program
that
we
have
it
well
organized
and
studied
before
we
bring
it
before
you.
F
Good
morning,
commissioner,
thank
you
very
much
and
good
morning.
Everybody
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
this
when
chairman
heath
and
and
our
senator
hornback
asked
us
to
present
this
morning.
What
we're
gonna
do
here
in
the
next
few
minutes
is
go
through
what
we
did
on
june
15th,
what
the
agenda
you
have
in
front
of
you,
the
stakeholders
dialogue.
F
So,
but
what
we
did
on
june
15th
was
something
that's
not
been
done
in
at
least
my
involvement
in
agriculture
for
several
decades,
and
that
is,
we
brought
the
vet
industry
together,
along
with
the
agriculture
leadership
together
for
a
conversation
or
a
dialogue
about
these
issues
and
there's
two
key
points
that
I
want
you
to
know
about
before
we
start
through
these
slides
this
morning,
number
one
we
have
a
vet
shortage,
a
shortage
of
veterinarians
in
all
sectors.
It's
just
not
food
animals,
it's
small
animals,
it's
regulatory!
F
It's
it's
usda,
food
safety,
vets.
We
have
a
shortage
in
all
of
those
sectors.
As
far
as
vets
go
and
there's
not
going
to
be
one
silver
bullet
to
resolve
this
issue,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
done
very
fast.
It's
going
to
take
several
different
efforts,
both
short
term
and
long
term,
to
address
this
issue
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
that
we
need
to
do
this
morning.
F
We're
going
to
start
out
first
with
dr
katie
flynn,
our
state
veterinarian
she's
going
to
go
through
the
presentation
briefly
that
she
made
that
morning
and
then
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
the
rest
of
the
presentations
very
quickly.
Only
hitting
the
highlights
on
some
of
these
slides
that
you'll
have
before
you.
So
dr
flynn.
D
We
also
have
the
veterinarians
out
there
that
are
doing
coggins
testing
or
equine
infectious
anemia
testing,
where
there
is
an
increase
in
that
disease,
and
we
also
have
veterinarians
that
are
out
there
doing
surveillance
for
chronic
wasting
disease
and
that's
the
picture
you
see
with
the
histological
slides
for
chronic
wasting
disease.
But,
more
importantly,
there
are
eyes
and
ears
out
in
the
field.
D
Go
ahead:
keith
because
they're
there
to
look
for
foot
and
mouth
disease
and
african
swine
fever
as
we're
concerned
that
that
is
going
to
hit
our
food
supply
very
severely
if
it
does
hit
this
country.
So
there
are
eyes
and
ears
out
there
and
it's
critical
that
we
have
veterinarians,
that
are
out
there
watching
for
these
diseases
and
contacting
us
so
that
we
can
take
regulatory
action
as
quickly
as
possible
so
that
we
can
eradicate
and
control
these
diseases
that
would
decimate
our
industries.
D
So
from
a
state
animal
health
perspective,
we
look
at
it
from
a
preparedness
and
response
situation
and
that's
really
what
we're
here
for
at
the
office
of
state
veterinarian
we're
the
epidemiologists.
We
have
the
veterinary
expertise
to
do
those
risk
assessments
to
do
the
modeling
to
do
the
planning
to
get
some
grant
money
in
so
that
we
can
get
the
supplies
or
equipment
that
we
need
if
we
were
to
have
a
foreign
animal
disease
or
a
natural
disaster.
D
Unfortunately,
in
these
situations
we
also
have
to
think
ahead
as
far
as
depopulation
and
disposal
and
having
some
plans
taking
into
consideration
that
the
health
and
welfare
of
the
animal,
as
well
as
the
public,
if
it
is
a
zoonotic
condition
and
as
far
as
moving
it
ahead
and
advancing,
we
want
to
be
prepared
through
secure
food
supply
planning
to
have
our
producers
prepared
in
case
they
need
to
activate,
in
a
case
of
an
outbreak
situation
and
always
training
and
exercising
our
staff.
Now
these
are
our
objectives.
D
So
we
had
to
activate
our
response
plan
in
a
five-county
area
in
coordination
with
the
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
resources,
so
that
we
could
activate
and
make
sure
that
if
it
is
there
that
we're
detecting
it.
Unfortunately,
those
surveillance
efforts
had
to
end
quickly
because
of
the
tornado,
which
we'll
get
to
in
a
moment
so
we'll
just
go
from
august
state,
fair
to
oct
september
october,
chronic
wasting
disease
and
then
at
north
american.
D
Again,
it's
another
event
at
the
expo
center
and
we
check
in
every
animal
that's
coming
in
for
that
north
american
international
livestock
expo.
We
check
the
animal's
health
at
the
same
time,
the
last
three
days
of
that
north
american.
We
had
a
foreign
animal
disease.
Southern
agricultural
functional
exercise,
fad
safe
exercise
that
was
committed
to
two
years
prior,
but
because
of
covet
had
to
be
put
off,
and
this
was
12
states,
activating
their
foot
and
mouth
disease
response
plan
or
stop
movement
plan.
So
we
activated
our
emergency
response
plans
and
for
a
three-day
exercise.
D
D
D
As
we
were
cleaning
up
from
that,
we
thought
we
were
going
to
get
a
little
bit
of
a
break
and
unfortunately
high
path.
Even
influenza
hit
us
in
february
in
the
same
area
as
the
tornado,
which
again
is
a
supply
issue
and
a
response
issue
when
you're
trying
to
respond
to
a
disease-
and
you
have
no
hotels
because
there's
none
in
the
area,
you
have
limited
resources.
D
So
again,
this
is
our
shortage
of
personnel
and
situations
that
we
were
placed
in
so
thankfully,
to
the
efforts
of
the
commissioner
and
keith,
the
chief
of
staff,
we've
reevaluated
what's
available
to
us
and
they
were
able
to
find
us
available
funding
in
their
current
budget
for
a
fourth
veterinarian
to
assist
us
from
that
field.
Perspective
and,
more
importantly,
from
our
perspective,
to
help
with
some
of
that
emergency
response.
So
we're
going
to
get
an
emergency
response
coordinator.
D
So
the
other
component
that
I
wanted
to
say
from
the
perspective
of
addressing
the
shortage
situation,
we
have
been
working
as
you
can
see
since
2018,
with
the
usda
national
institute
for
food
and
agriculture
and
they
have
their
veterinary
medicine
loan
repayment
program.
We
at
the
department
and
the
office
of
state
veterinarian
actually
put
the
nominated
areas
forward
and
the
way
we
look
at
that
is.
We
look
at
the
current
veterinary
demographics
and
we
look
at
the
nas
data
for
livestock
in
those
areas
to
determine
where
those
shortage
areas
are.
D
We
have
a
total
of
five
shortage
areas
that
are
allotted
to
the
state
of
kentucky
each
year.
We
give
one
of
those
shortage
areas
to
the
laboratory,
because
they're
having
each
of
the
laboratories
one
year
will
go
to
breath
it
and
one
year
will
go
to
university
of
kentucky
and
because
they're
also
suffering
some
of
those
same
shortages.
D
So
we
have
put
five
awards
forward,
four
of
them
in
pr
in
private
practice,
one
in
public
practice
and,
as
you
can
see
there,
we've
put
20
nominations
for
it
five
each
year
and
we've
only
had
nine
that
have
been
awarded.
That's
a
national
level
of
awarding.
D
We
have
no
input
into
those
awards,
it's
done
all
through
usda
and
their
selection
process,
and
so
it's
they're
matching
the
people
to
the
positions
that
we
have
described,
and
this
is
a
three-year
commitment
for
those
individuals
and
they
get
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
that
three-year
commitment
and
to
to
support
their
loan
debt.
So
again,
this
is
in
certain
areas
and
they
have
to
document
their
service
through
this
loan
program.
F
Thank
you,
dr
flynn.
The
next
set
of
slides
that
I'm
going
to
run
through
come
from
the
kentucky
board
of
veterinary
examiners,
which
is
the
licensing
board
in
kentucky
and
with
us
this
morning,
is
michelle
shane
who's,
the
executive
director
of
that
board
in
2018
that
board
moved
over
to
the
department
of
agriculture
for
administrative
purposes.
It's
attached
to
us
as
a
separate
board,
but
attached
to
us
for
that's
administrative
support.
It's
been
a
tremendous
move
working
with
the
office
of
state
vet
and
working
with
this
board.
F
One
couple
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
point
out
from
their
presentation:
is
they
also
presented
that
that
day
on
the
what
they
have
a
modernization
for
the
medical
practice
act,
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that
because
of
the
time
constraints
this
morning,
but
they
will
be
presenting
to
the
l
o
committee
on
july,
the
21st
of
that
legislation
that
they
hope
to
bring
forward
in
20
the
2023
session.
F
But
for
this
program
this
morning
is
the
couple
of
the
highlights
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
this
morning
if
I
can
get
the
pointer
to
kind
of
circle.
This
is
one
of
the
numbers
that
I
want
you
to
remember:
the
kbv
issues
approximately
270
new
license
each
year
and
that's
an
average
of
2019
and
2020
to
give
you
some
incident
of
how
many
vets
we're
bringing
into
kentucky
under
the
licensing
program
down
here.
F
F
each
year
at
the
conclusion
of
their
licensing
process.
They
also
have
about
235
258
license
that
expire
that
do
not
get
renewed.
Now
these
are
on
a
two-year
cycle.
The
number
you
just
saw
was
for
one
year.
These
are
on
a
two-year
cycle,
so
you
can
see
that
we're.
In
ballpark
we
lose
roughly
half
of
our
veterinarians.
F
The
next
six
pages,
I'm
going
to
hit
very
quickly
in
the
interest
of
time,
but
there's
a
couple
things
on
each
page
that
I
do
want
to
point
out.
These
are
the
statistics
that,
before
the
last
couple
months,
we've
really
never
had-
and
this
is
work
again-
that
the
board
of
veterinary
examiners
has
is
done
with
their
database
and
collecting
information
and
was
part
of
the
catalyst
for
us
deciding
to
hold
the
dialogue
meeting
on
june
15th.
F
To
share
this
information
because,
as
they're
saying
goes,
you
got
to
know
what
the
problem
is
and
you
got
to
understand
the
facts
of
the
problem
before
you
can
address
the
problem
and
that's
what
the
dialogue
was
all
about
was
putting
these
types
of
information
in
front
of
the
ag
community
and
the
vet
community.
But
here
you
can
see
you've
got
1695
licensed
veterinarians
with
kentucky
residents
at
26
all
together.
F
The
next
excuse
me
the
next
slide
that
I
want
to
point
to
breaks
down
food,
animal
equine
and
small
animal
and
then
other,
and
it
goes
to
the
the
amount
of
time
that
each
area
the
veterinarian
focuses
on
and
I'll
take
this
food
animal
first,
if
you
see
here
and
what
we're
considering,
is
any
veterinarian
that
spends
70
percent
of
their
time
or
more
we're
considering
them.
Full-Time
food,
animal
veterinarians,
look
at
the
number
beside
it
54.
F
in
the
entire
state
of
kentucky.
We
have
54
veterinarians,
who
consider
themselves
full-time
food,
animal
veterinarians,
and
then
you
can
see
the
percentage
increases
as
you
go
down
down
to
the
one
one
to
fifteen
percent
would
be
what
we
consider
a
true
mixed
animal
type
clinic
now.
Take
a
look
at
the
equine
number.
The
equine
number
is
much
larger
because
of
course,
many
of
us
know
the
equine
sector,
in
kentucky
with
the
thoroughbred
industry,
etc
has
a
lot
of
dedicated
equine
veterinarians.
F
F
The
next
slide
that
I
want
to
touch
on
basically
breaks
down
in
slide.
3A
breaks
down
where
the
vets
actually
work,
and
you
can
see
in
this
first
first
line
the
private
practice
you
have
1379.
This
is
all
vets,
1379
and
then
down
to
where
you
see
the
corporate
practice.
Those
two
lines-
the
1379
and
the
81-
are
really
the
vets
that
work
or
are
sea
animals.
I'll
put
it
that
way,
your
academia,
your
regulatory,
your
military
practice,
the
non-profit,
are-
are
different.
F
From
that
standpoint,
I'm
going
to
skip
table
b
in
the
interest
of
time
that
deals
directly
with
the
lab
technicians
again
on
this
next
slide
in
4a
it
it
goes
back
and
helps.
You
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
the
age
of
the
food
veterinarian,
food,
animal
veterinarian
and
the
percentage
of
time
that
they
are
working
on
animals
and
what
their
age
is
again.
The
54..
F
If
you
look,
of
course,
similar
to
the
equine
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide
in
b4
and
then
in
in
c4c.
Excuse
me,
you
see
the
small
animal
vet.
You
can
see
the
age
of
the
small
animal
vet
there
again
1076
versus
54
vets
working
and
considered
full-time
in
the
in
the
vet
world.
F
What
we
did
ask
each
of
our
presenters
that
on
june
15th
to
do
is
kind
of
give
their
opinions
and
some
of
the
causes
of
the
shortage
and
some
of
the
solutions,
and
so
on.
Each
of
these
I'll
give
those
slides
from
each
of
these
organizations
and
keep
in
mind
that
these
are
from
their
opinion
in
their
presentations.
F
F
The
selection
process-
and
you
may
hear
a
little
bit
about
this
in
every
one
of
these
presentations-
is
that
the
selection
process
being
used
by
the
veterinarian
medical
college
application
service,
which
is
what
most
of
our
universities
use,
favor
a
higher
gpa,
which
tends
to
go
to
small
animals,
stop
and
think
about
it.
You
got
young
farmers
what
drives
a
young
person
to
go
back
to
the
farm,
to
production
agriculture,
what
drives
a
young
person
to
enter
the
field
of
medical
medical,
veterinary
medical
medicine
to
literally
go
back
to
the
farm
oftentimes?
F
That
person
may
not
have
the
gpa,
maybe
the
good
old
boy
down
this
road,
but
he's
got
the
sense
in
the
brains
to
go
to
vet
school
and
succeed.
That
system
today,
basically
doesn't
help
bring
that
person
in
auburn
basically
is
looking
at
ways
to
figure
out
how
you
can
bring
that
student
in
or
find
a
way
of
criteria
and
the
structure
of
evaluating
the
potential
of
that
person
in
looking
at
moving
away
from
the
higher
gpa
process.
F
That's
in,
of
course,
we've
all
heard
the
large
student
loan
debt
is
an
issue
and
we'll
get
into
those
numbers
in
just
a
minute.
The
veterinarian
business
model
is
different
and
it's
changed
drastically
in
kentucky
the
demanding
work
hours
and
the
eroding
relationship
with
producers
and
licensed
debt
I'll
expand
on
that
just
a
second.
Our
producers
are
better
producers.
Today,
they're
more
educated,
they
can
do
more
themselves
than
they
could
20
or
30,
10
or
20
years
ago
on
these
animals.
F
They
don't
call
the
veterinarian
as
often
as
much
as
they
need,
and
for
that
reason
that
relationship
is
eroded.
We
have
one
practice
in
veterinarian
on
the
15th
basically
say
to
the
audience
you
know
he's
talking
about.
You
know
what
the
farmer
can
still
use
me
for
he
said
and
his
example
was
preg
check
cattle.
He
said
just
stop
and
think
about
it.
If
I
identify
one
open
cow
I've
paid
for
that
visit.
If
I
identify
two
open
cows,
I've
made
the
farmer
money.
F
These
are
the
kinds
of
messages
that
I
think
we
can
utilize
to
get
that
relationship
built.
I
share
this
slide
with
you
just
so
that
you
can
see
some
of
the
things
that
the
kve
is
working
on.
I'm
not
going
to
touch
on
this
one
and
then,
of
course,
their
solution
slide
again.
You'll
have
this
to
take
with
you,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
the
second
bullet
there
that
the
continuing
partnerships
and
discussion
that's
what
june
15th
in
this
dialogue
was
all
about.
F
Next
presentation
was:
was
the
vet
medical
association?
Of
course,
as
many
of
you
know,
that's
the
trade
organization
for
the
vets,
deborah
hamelbach
is
out
of
town,
not
here
today
their
executive
director,
but
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
especially
to
them
for
providing
lunch
and
helping
us
organize
this.
This
event.
Their
mission,
as
you
can
see
here,
is
to
really
advocate
for
the
industry.
F
Their
efforts
basically
have
been
from
everything
from
the
contract
spaces
that
you
all
fund
every
year
to
working
with
industry
sectors.
Legislation,
as
I
mentioned,
the
practice
act
modernization
a
little
while
ago.
They
also
have
several
programs
leadership
programs,
similar
to
what
we
see
in
many
of
their
agricultural
organizations,
farm
bureau,
cattlemen
et
cetera,
ag
leadership
program
to
help
vets
mature
and
grow
into
into
the
industry,
and
also
into
rural
kentucky
and
our
large
animal.
They
have
a
vet
mentoring
program,
but
one
of
the
most
important
most
exciting
things.
F
They
do
have
a
foundation
that
helps
them
fund.
Many
of
this,
these
items
and
the
foundation
goals
lincoln
memorial
university.
Many
of
you
may
have
not
heard
of
lincoln
memorial.
It's
at
hargate
tennessee
right
next
to
the
cumberland
gap
national
park
and
this
school
was
a
its
veterinary.
School
was
accredited
in
january
of
2019
and,
as
you
can
see
on
the
map,
it's
been
very
successful
in
bringing
many
of
its
excuse
me,
students
back
into
kentucky,
especially
in
southeast
kentucky,
as
you
can
see
in
the
color-coded
map
there.
F
One
of
the
successes
that
lmu
is
head
is
in
kentucky,
restaurants
is
sick,
residence
is
67
percent
are
from
rural
backgrounds,
and
basically,
what
we're
seeing
is
is
a
larger
percentage
at
the
bottom.
There,
the
20
results
and
the
21
results.
You
can
see
there
that
38.9
percent
versus
the
national
rate
of
20
returned
and
or
planned
to
return
and
work
in
rural
communities
in
kentucky.
F
The
before
I
jump
to
the
auburn
comments,
I
do
want
to
mention
that
we
had
dr
debra
shoulders
from
bowling
green,
who
was
a
practicing
veterinarian,
also
speak
to
the
group
that
day
about
the
the
challenges
that
she
has
faced
as
a
practicing
veterinarian
with
farmers
and
then
also
brian
lacefield,
with
koap,
who
talked
about
the
loan
program
that
was
recently
modified
in
may
to
allow
for
the
the
debt,
forgive
the
student
debt,
that
a
student
has
to
be
able
to
use
that
as
match
in
the
loan
program.
F
The
commission
mentioned
commissioner,
mentioned
early.
That
loan
program
is
open
to
all
vet
students,
just
not
auburn,
just
not
tuskegee,
it's
open
to
all
vet
students,
and
basically
it
gives
an
opportunity
for
a
student
to
buy
into
a
practice
or
to
start
their
own
new
practice
if
they
so
choose.
To
date,
we've
had
14
of
those
loans
made
and
it's
making
a
difference
in
in
our
students.
F
Moving
on
to
auburn's
presentation
very
quickly,
of
course,
as
commissioner
mentioned,
we
had
dean
johnson
associate
dean,
melinda
kamis
and
mr
sellers,
who
runs
their
practicing
management
program
at
auburn,
attend
out
of
this
slide.
The
one
thing
I
want
to
point
to
is
over
here
on
the
right
side
under
the
class
of
the
22.
F
Of
course,
this
is
the
22
class
here
that
just
graduated,
you
can
see
the
kentucky
numbers
at
38,
the
alabama
numbers
and
the
large
at
36.,
but
92
percent
of
the
kentucky
students
desired
to
come
back
to
kentucky
and
and
and
to
practice
or
or
to
to
return
home.
In
essence,
one
of
the
other
trends
that
this
slide
really
shows
is
this
trend
down
here
of
female
and
male.
F
This
was
raised
several
times
during
the
discussion
that
we're
seeing.
Basically,
this
industry
become
female.
In
fact,
dr
shoulders,
in
her
presentation
I
mentioned
a
second
ago,
basically
said
we
need
more
men
in
this
industry,
but,
as
you
can
see
there
of
the
of
that
class,
total
class
92
females
27
males.
So
that
is
something
that
we're
seeing
a
trend
across
the
u.s
in
all
vet
schools
that
we
need
to
find,
and
it
goes
back
to
that
criteria
of
selection
that
we
we
need
to
look
at
the
next
slide.
F
You
can't
talk
about
student
shortage
of
vets
without
talking
about
the
debt.
This
slide
right
here,
as
you
see
over
here
on
this
far
right
side.
The
kentucky
students
graduating
in
the
class
of
2012
basically
had
on
this,
and
this
is
the
federal
loan
program.
They
may
have
additional
loans
outside,
but
this
is
the
federal
loan
program.
140
000,
the
alabama
students
had
147
000
and
the
at-large
students
at
auburn
had
231.
F
That
shows
you
real
quickly
the
benefits
of
the
program,
the
slots
that
you
all
fund
each
year
but
drop
to
the
bottom
of
the
page,
the
american
vet
medical
association,
basically
is
predicting
that
this
average
student
debt
at
graduation
nationwide
is
218
thousand.
So
it
gives
you
a
very
quick
snapshot
of
where
these
funds
are.
This
page
will
give
you
some
quick
salary
information
on
what
students
can
are
seeing
in
the
way
of
contract
offers,
etc.
F
You
can
see
at
the
bottom
there,
the
avma
salary
estimator
for
mixed
animal
in
kentucky
starts
an
average
salary
of
81
773
dollars
with
that
range
that
you
see
there,
and
of
course
this
is,
you
know
when
you
get
into
what
we
look
at
at
state
veterinarian
and
deputy
state
veterinarian,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do.
You
know
that's
that's
what
we're
competing
against
and,
as
dr
flynn
said
a
while
ago,
you
know
in
filling
some
of
our
positions,
particularly
in
the
vet
area.
F
That's
the
challenges
that
we're
up
against
the
auburn
has
identified
the
challenges
and
we've
all
seen
these
and
I
won't
take
time
to
go
through
each
of
these.
But
basically,
rural
practices
are
different.
They're
different
than
small
animals
there's
a
different
way
of
operation,
and
so
they
have
identified
these
issues
here.
The
next
three
slides
that
I'm
going
to
hit
basically
go
to
a
program
that
auburn
has
been
operating
since
2017
2018
with
a
usda
grant
and
kentucky
has
benefited
greatly
from
this.
F
Basically,
this
grant
ends
august,
the
31st,
and
so
basically
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
find
a
way
to
to
continue
to
bring
a
fact.
Actually,
on
tuesday
of
this
week,
dr
flynn
and
I
had
a
meeting
with
dean
johnson
and
his
folks
at
auburn
again
about
the
potential
structure
of
this
program.
What
the
budget
would
look
like
what
we
would
need
to
do
to
keep
this
program
going
in
kentucky
auburn
has
applied
for
the
grant
again.
F
They
have
received
the
grant
but
they're
going
to
focus
this
grant
on
alabama,
where
they
focus
this
grant
on
kentucky
for
the
last
four
to
five
years,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
a
way
to
keep
this
program
going.
But
in
this
program
you
have
20
externships
that
are
a
two-week
experience
for
students
to
go
out
and
learn
in
the
practice.
Is
you
have
20
receptorships,
which
are
eight
week?
Experiences
and
95
percent
of
those
students
in
that
five-year
period
that
went
through
this
program
accepted
jobs
in
rural
practice?
The
program
works.
F
F
In
that
salary,
starting
cost
starting
salary
that
they
may
be
able
to
offer
versus
what
they
can
to
really
get
the
type
one
of
the
big
challenges
that
this
program
has
found
is
owner
exit
strategies.
Most
of
our
clinic
owners.
Don't
have
an
extra
strategy
for
when
they
retire
or
when
they
want
to
step
down.
This
creates
an
opportunity
for
that
young
student
to
come
back
to
rural
areas
and
do
food
animal
practice.
F
F
Entry
goes
back
to
what
I
mentioned
about
changing
the
gpa
usage
of
selection
and
moving
more
in
a
way
of
finding
students,
the
passion
and
interest
who
want
to
come
back
and
do
this
and
finding
a
way
to
get
them
into
vet
school
when
their
grades
or
their
gpa
may
not
be
as
well.
The
third
bullet
I'll
share
with
you-
and
this
is
the
one
that
the
general
assembly
and
you
as
the
intermittent
committee,
may
want
to
start
to
think
about
and
consider
conditional
points
to
those
contract
seats.
F
What
we've
learned
is
that,
in
some
cases,
tommentry
whatever
it
may
be,
there
are
conditions
on
those
seats.
In
other
words,
you
have
to
come
back
and
do
something
practice
a
year
practice
in
rural
kentucky,
something
like
that.
This
idea
has
been
kicked
around
in
several
conversations.
I
think
that
some
of
us
have
been
involved
in
over
the
last
many
years,
but
we've
never
gone
that
road,
but
this
is
the
one
area
that
the
general
assembly
may
want
to
take
up
and
take
a
seriously
look
at.
F
If,
if
we
want
to
do
this,
I
mentioned
a
while
ago,
why
does
a
young
person
choose
to
go
into
production
agriculture?
What
we
need
to
identify
is
why
would
a
young
person
want
to
go
into
veterinary
medicine
and
food
animal
and
I
think
dr
shoulders,
basically
in
her
presentation,
talked
about
her
involvement
with
4-h
ffa
students
at
western,
how
she's
cultivating
those
students
to
bring
them
back
and
get
their
interest
in,
but
again
she
has
ran
into
those
roadblocks
where
their
gpa
doesn't
quite
get
them
into
vet
school.
F
E
Thank
you
keith,
as
you
can
tell,
he
ran
lead
on
getting
this
group
together.
A
lot
of
folks
in
the
audience
today
were
at
this
meeting.
There
are
some
positive
things:
okay,
we
have
world-class
diagnostics
labs
with
uk
and
breath
it
operated
by
murray
state,
including
a
bsl3
lab.
You
can
handle
some
really
nasty
stuff
out
there.
If
ever
were
to
come
to
kentucky.
E
We
also
have
phenomenal
research
done
by
veterinarians
in
kentucky
as
well
the
gluck
center.
Then
the
equine
hospitals
as
well,
is
the
equivalent
of
having
two
md
andersons
right
next
to
each
other
on
the
same
road.
So
there
are
areas
of
our
veterinary
practice
that
are
really
superb
and
internationally
known
as
well,
and
one
last
comment
special
thanks
to
dr
katie
flynn.
Our
first
female
state
veterinarian,
as
you
can
tell,
did
not
get
much
free
time
these
last
several
months,
special
thanks
to
her
and
her
staff
getting
us
through
crisis
through
crisis.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
One
thing
I
would
like
to
to
mention
to
members
too:
we
talked
a
lot
about
auburn
in
schools
that
we've
already
always
cooperated
with
on
getting
vets,
but
you
do
have
a
letter
in
your
folder
today
from
a
steve
mcclain
talking
about
his
daughter
wanting
to
go
to
vet
school
and
it
talks
about
looking
at
expanding
to
other
schools
that
offer
the
same
type
of
practice.
So
just
so
members
know
that
we've
got
several
questions.
I
I
would
like
to
thank
dr
flynn
for
being
here
today.
A
You
all
have
a
very
tough
job.
Your
job
is
it's
public
health,
food
safety,
food
supply,
and
you
have
to
react
very
quickly,
and
I
do
thank
you
for
the
the
work
that
not
only
you
do,
but
all
your
team
at
the
state
vet
office
that
you
all
do
and
making
sure
we
have
a
good,
safe
food
supply.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Our
first
question
today
comes
from
representative
king.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
This
is
good
news,
as
the
commissioner
said
at
last
month's
tobacco
settlement
agreement
meeting
director
lacefield
touched
on
that
veterinary
graduates
being
able
to
use
their
loan
as
a
match.
Is
that
designated
specifically
for
food,
animal
vets
or
any
any
type?
Are
there
parameters
on
that.
F
There
are
some
parameters:
it's
targeted
at
food,
animal
vets.
However,
we
all
know
that
they
have
to
have
in
many
cases
that
small
animal
to
make
the
cash
flow
work
and
so
the
it's
it's
very
loose
in
the
way
that
the
guidelines
and
the
criteria
are
interpreted
because
of
that
that
scenario,
as
long
as
they
do
have
a
large
animal
or
food,
animal
focus
or
or
some
participation,
then
yes,
they're
eligible.
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
there's
questions
for
keith
you
were
talking
about
the
resident.
Non-Resident
breakdown
is
the
non-resident
breakdown,
just
account
for
people
that
live
in
another
state,
but
kind
of
practice
across
a
border
into
theirs,
or
is
there
another
group
out
there
that
that
constitutes
part
of
this
non-resident.
F
Life
in
my
experience,
it's
not
uncommon
for
a
veterinarian
to
hold
license
in
multiple
states,
and
so
in
some
cases
it
may
be.
This
is
their
home.
They
may
want
to
come
back
here
at
some
point.
Dr
flynn
is
an
example
of
that,
where
she
had
a
kentucky
license
long
before
we
pursued
her
to
come
to
kentucky
from
california,
but
so
it
multiple
factors
but
a
lot
of
times.
It
is
the
fact
that
they
have
either
been
here
and
keeping
it
alive,
or
they
have
hopes
to
come.
G
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
quarles
dr
flynn
keefe.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention
again.
It's
something
we're
aware
of,
but
sometimes
it
gets
put
in
the
back
of
our
mind.
A
few
years
ago,
cpe
facilitate
a
task
force
and
we
looked
at
our
veterinary
slot
situation
at
auburn
in
this
issue.
H
Some
of
the
things
I
remember,
we
actually
discussed
the
possibility
of
having
a
veterinary
school
at
university
of
kentucky,
but
when
we
looked
at
the
cost
of
establishing
that
and
keeping
it
going,
it
did
not
seem
feasible,
financially
previously,
just
a
little
history
here,
the
veterinary
slot
program
was
handled
for
the
budget
every
year.
We
did
pass
legislation
a
few
years
ago
that
put
that
program
into
statute
for
the
members
who
may
not
be
totally
unders
aware
of
how
that
works
and
keith.
H
It
only
covers
the
difference
between
the
in-state
tuition
costs
and
the
out-of-state
tuition
costs,
so
those
students
are
incurring
the
cost
to
go
to
auburn
or
tuskegee,
and
it
is
a
limited
number
of
slots.
The
issue
you
have
is
number
one
does
all.
If
we
discuss
more
slots
is
auburn,
have
the
seats
available,
do
they
have
slots
available
and
then
it
becomes
a
budget
issue
for
kentucky
and
in
reading
the
letter,
I
think
I'm
open
to
having
that
conversation
about
these
other
schools.
H
Our
arrangement
with
auburn
and
tuskegee
is
negotiated
for
the
southern
regional
education
board.
They
negotiate
those
contract
rates.
So
I
appreciate
this
and
we
need
to
continue
this
conversation
and
see
if
we
can
work
towards
solutions.
Thank
you.
F
Representative
tipton,
I
can
real
quickly
tell
you
that
auburn
most
recently
did
see
an
increase
in
their
overall
class
size.
They
got
that
they
got
the
accreditation
to
allow
to
increase
that.
I
think
it
was
the
130
don't
hold
me
to
that
exact
number,
but
that
is
something
that
they
are
also
looking
at
is
how
they
can
expand
and
increase
the
number
of
slots.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner.
There
are
many
days
when
I
wish
I
would
have
stayed
at
my
visit
to
auburn
and
pursued
my
my
veterinary
dream,
but
I've
been
involved
in
these
issues
since
then,
because
it.
I
We
we've
seen
the
shortage
and
it's
been
it's
dire,
really
as
as
in
equine
and
food
animal
industry,
and
I
sometimes
I
talk
to
vet
students,
particularly
at
morehead
state
university,
where
we
have
a
very
high
percentage
of
acceptance
and
they'll
have
me,
come
in
and
talk
about
policy
what
to
look
for
in
curriculum,
animal
welfare
versus
animal
rights.
I
Some
of
the
obstacles
that
we're
up
against
as
an
in
in
industries-
and
they
are
too
as
veterinarians
and
the
policies
that
affect
them,
sometimes
within
their
own
ranks,
and
I
always
tell
them
they've-
got
to
to
be
involved
in
their
associations,
because
the
large
animal
vets
are
out
working,
there's,
not
many
of
them
around
and
sometimes
policies
dictated
by
small
animal
vets.
And
I
love
and
appreciate
them
too,
but
but
somehow
there's
sometimes
a
disconnect
so
and
I've
had
that
conversation
with
auburn.
I
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
talking
about
the
dialogue
with
the
vet
schools,
for
curriculum
incentive
encouragement
and
what
what
kind
of
training
or
education
these
kids
get,
because
it's
important
in
steering
your
career
path,
and
we
want
to
steer
them
back
here
when
I'm
steering
back
to
rural
kentucky.
I
And
my
question
is
when
we
see
the
corporate
influence
in
the
in
the
acquisition
of
practices-
and
I
know
it's
happening
a
lot
in
the
small
animal
field,
and
I
know
when
my
dad
sold
his
optometry
practice.
Nobody
wanted
to
come
to
rural
kentucky
because
they
had
a
lot
of
debt
and
the
corporate
side
could
give
them
a
lot
better,
shorter
time
to
pay
that
off
put
it.
That
way.
F
E
D
I
I
appreciate
that
I
represent
a
couple
veterinarians
too,
some
one
of
them
very
actively
involved
in
that,
so
I
try
to
keep
up,
but
I
I
appreciate
the
commissioner
and
his
team
having
this
conversation,
because
it's
not
a
real
easy
conversation
to
have
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
easy
solutions,
but
we
want
you
to
know
appreciate
the
public
dialogue,
appreciate
the
participation
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
keeping
us
informed
to
help
you
solve
this
crisis
before
it
gets
worse.
Thank
you.
C
Mr
commissioner
and
the
chief
of
staff-
and
this
has
been
really
an
interesting
committee
meeting
and
I've
enjoyed
the
presentation
and
what
you've
talked
about.
I
would
just
like,
if
you
could.
Mr
rogers
expand
ex
explain
what
you
were
talking
about
when
you
were
saying
the
conditions
of
in
your
potential
solutions.
I'm
talking
about
the
last
slide
in
terms
of
the
conditions
of
sreb's
contract.
C
If
you
can
explain
that
a
little
bit
to
the
committee
as
to
what
you
were
talking,
what
you're
talking
about.
F
Maybe
it's
some
other
type
of
incentive
to
those
contract
seats
that
you
basically
enter
into
an
agreement
with
that
student
that,
when
they
complete
when
they
get
their
degree,
that
they
come
back
because
the
state
has
supplemented
or
supported
their
their
education
there.
They
come
back
and
repay
that
in
some
way.
Does
that
help
answer.
C
Yeah
I
I
asked
that
question
because
I
wanted
it
to
be
out
there,
because
some
people
may
not
know
who
who
are
watching
or
who
have
an
interest
or
been
involved.
I've
been
involved
with
sreb,
so
I
I
knew
that
I
knew
about
that,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
all
knew
exactly
what
sreb
does
in
terms
of
this.
So.
E
Thank
you
just
a
point
of
clarification.
So
when
you
appropriate
the
money,
it
doesn't
go
through
kda
right,
it
goes
through
cpe
and
then
sreb,
like
other
reciprocity
agreements
with
kentucky
those
positions
are
negotiated
and
paid
out.
But
one
thing
I've
noticed
with
visiting
with
students
is
that
if
you
can
identify
someone
that
may
perhaps
grew
up
in
animal
agriculture,
maybe
not
on
a
farm,
but
maybe
they
showed
animals
in
4-h
and
ffa
and
they
get
to
auburn
or
tuskegee
or
other
veterinary
practice.
Schools
they're
more
likely
to
come
back
to
their
hometown.
E
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
today.
It
was
very
informative.
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
couple
of
clubs
like
4-h
and
ffa
that
expose
young
people
to
this
career,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
there
any
type
of
magnets
or
programs
inside
public
schools
to
where
kids
get
curriculum?
They
get
credit
to
expose
them
earlier,
maybe
in
middle
school
or
high
school?
And,
if
not,
is
that
something
that
is
potential
that
we
can
start
to
consider.
E
The
answer
is
yes,
that
a
lot
of
our
ffa
programs
right
now,
you
know
those
they
have
agriculture
teachers,
that
a
lot
of
their
classes
are
science
based.
They
help
contribute
towards
your
science
curriculum
requirements
to
graduate
high
school,
there's,
always
room
for
improvement,
but
I
know
we
have
some
students
here
today
that
probably
took
those
classes
before
they
graduated,
but
but
some
school
districts
like
fayette
county,
have
a
dedicated
ag
program.
E
A
dedicated,
a
brick
and
mortar
facility
called
locust
trace
that
that
they
they
have
like
a
really
nice
facility
there
and
louisville's
coming
online.
I
think
they
have
two
ffa
chapters
right
now
and
so
there's
always
room
for
improvement.
But
yes,
there
is
curriculum
that
I
think
would
be
similar.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
critical
issue
that
we
we
clearly
need
to
enlarge
the
pool
and
get
creative
about.
Enlarging
that
pool.
I've
got
two
questions.
J
We
have
the
federal
program
set
up
to
incentivize
people.
The
language
you
know
we
use
in
broadband
is,
is
to
go
out
to
unserved
and
underserved
areas.
Do
any
other
states
have
a
similar
program
to
the
federal
program
that
they've
set
up
themselves
that
follows
kind
of
a
similar
tract
where
we
as
a
state
put
money
in
the
kitty
and
we
pay
either
loan
forgiveness
or
cash
to
set
up
shop
for
five
to
ten
years?
Something
like
that.
Do
other
states
do
that.
That's
the
first
question.
D
I
can
answer
your
first
question.
There
are
a
couple
other
states
that
have
had
these
programs,
where
they
do
the
loan
repayment
type
situation
at
a
state
level,
and
it's
industry
based
that
the
industry
supports
it,
but
they
have
been
short-term
they've
only
been
they've
done
a
couple
years
to
to
look
at
it
and
I
don't
know
of
any
that
have
been
long-term
stood
up.
Programs
out
west
there's
been
a
couple.
J
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Take
a
stab
at
your
second
question.
I
think
any
time
you
offer
student
loan
repayment
you're
going
to
get
people
interested
at
least
looking
at
the
program.
I
don't
know
what
the
sweet
spot
would
be
at
the
end
of
the
day.
These
practices
need
to
make
money.
I
mean
that's
what
it's
a
business
for
a
reason
right,
but.
A
L
The
rep
rep
king
and
myself
both
say
on
tobacco
settlement.
We've
actually
discussed
this
a
lot
in
the
fact
that
we
use
that
agriculture
money
to
send
students
to
the
vet
school.
They
come
back
kentucky
as
small
animals.
So
it's
been
a
struggle.
We've
actually
talked
about
quite
a
bit
and
that's
something
we're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
ourselves.
But
you
know
one
thing
you
did
touch
on
was
gpa
and
luckily
in
college
all
three
of
my
roommates
will
pre-vet.
L
That's
one
reason
I
graduated
because
they
started
their
behinds
off
and
the
one
who
did
not
get
in
had
a
gpa
of
3.54
yeah.
That
was
the
gpa,
the
cutting
line.
I
was
nowhere
close
to
3.54
I'll.
Tell
you
that
but
interesting.
I
just
got
back
from
a
vacation
down
orange
beach
and
one
day
I
sit
and
talk
to
a
gentleman
whose
daughter
was
trying
to
get
into
auburn's
vet
school
and
he
was
complaining
because
the
daggone
kentuckians
are
taking
up
so
many
slots.
L
So
I
thought
this
is
relevant
on
several
issues,
but
yeah
yeah,
like
I
said,
you're
right,
there's
several
things
about
that.
But
you
know
again
again
I'll
tell
you
for
the
people
who
have
not
actually
looked
at
a
vet,
you
could
get
into
med
school
just
as
easy
and
get
in
vet
school.
They
study
that
hard.
The
curriculum
is
that
hard.
It
is
a
tough
degree
to
get
so.
I
have
utmost
respect
for
those
people.
Thank
you,
sir.
G
Yes,
so
I
graduated
with
dr
shoulders
at
wku,
and
there
was
a
group
of
people
like,
like
you
said
that
were
trying
to
get
into
vet
school
at
the
time
and
only
about
half
did
because
of
the
gpa,
and
I
do
agree
if
you
want
large
animal
gp
people
to
work
large
animal,
especially
males
you've
got
to
lower
this.
I
say
lower,
you
don't
lower
the
standards
per
se,
but
you've
got
to
take
into
consideration
the
whole
person
the
measure
of
the
person's,
not
through
your
always
through
your
gpa.
G
The
question
I
would
ask
was:
what
is
our
return
on
our
investment?
Do
you
know
what
a
veterinarian
brings
to
the
state
economic,
wise
or
to
an
area?
I
know
a
doctor
to
move
into
an
area
kind
of
they
say,
brings
so
much
money
into
the
area
just
by
what
they
do
around
that
area
and
what
they
bring
in.
Do
you
know
what
a
veterinarian
would
bring
in
or
what
their
worth
is
to
the
state
as
economic
drive.
D
F
One
thing
I
didn't
mention
is:
is
we
are
looking
at
the
second
meeting,
probably
sometime
after
labor
day
of
this
group
and
the
next,
as
this
meeting
focused
on
the
supply
side,
the
veterinarian
organizations
and
the
vet
industry
and
providing
that
information.
The
next
one
will
be
focused
more
from
the
ag
side.
So
that'll
be
a
great
question
to
work
to
get
some
solution.
Answers
to
thank.
A
A
Okay,
okay
can
representative
fister.
G
I'll
be
very
brief.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
a
lot
of
the
other
people
have
already
said
and
thank
the
department
and
the
commissioner
for
for
highlighting
this,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
for
your
work
in
the
veterinary
end
of
things
as
a
lifelong
farmer.
I
know
how
hard
it
is
to
get
a
vet
out
to
the
farm
if
you
can
even
find
one
a
special
thanks
to
dr
flynn.
G
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
her,
not
just
as
a
legislator
but
but
as
a
citizen
does
a
fantastic
job,
and
I
and
I
want
to
welcome
dr
barley
over
here
as
well.
I
understand
that
he
is
going
to
carry
on
our
woodford
county
legacy
at
the
department.
We've
had
somebody
in
the
vet
area
over
there
for
the
last
30
years,
so
so
welcome
dr
barley.
Thank
you.
K
One
of
the
auburn
slides
as
you
go
back
about
five
is
going
to
speak
to
the
challenges
of
rural
veterinary
medicine.
For
those
of
us
go
back
one
more,
I
think
for
those
of
us
that
live
in
rural
communities
and
have
watched
our
veterinarians
and
know
how
vitally
important
they
are.
I
think
this
slide
has
lots
of
lots
of
the
challenges
summarized
here,
and
one
of
the
biggest
ones
is
life
balance.
K
If
you
know
our
large
animal
rural
veterinarians,
it's
tough,
it's
tough
to
come
out
and
dedicate
yourself
to
a
small
rural
community,
establish
a
family.
There
stand
up
a
business
and
then
know
that
you've
got
to
be
on
call
almost
solely
as
a
practitioner,
seven
days
a
week
for
the
entire
year.
It's
tough,
it's
so
hard
on
these
folks,
and
so
when
young
people
come
out.
K
I
think
we
all
know
these
things,
but
I'm
just
emphasizing
them
when
young
people
come
out
and
look
for
an
opportunity
and
they
see
that
money
and
they
know
that
they
can
effectively
clock
in
and
clock
out
at
a
small
vet,
small
animal
vet
practice,
or
especially
a
large
corporate
with
an
80
000
signing
bonus,
it's
difficult
for
us
to
compete
against
that.
So,
as
we
look
to
solutions-
and
I
applaud
department
of
ag
for
leading
on
trying
to
find
solutions,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
on
this
slide.
K
Can
we
provide
relief
veterinarians?
Can
we
provide
assistance
in
standing
up
these
business
models?
How
do
we
help
these
help,
these
veterinarians,
who
come
out
and
want
to
want
to
buy
into
a
business?
The
law
community
does
a
great
job
of
tran
transferring
business
from
a
law
partner
to
a
law
partner
over
time.
Maybe
our
vet
community
has
models.
We
can
pick
up
from
there.
I
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
one
single
silver
answer,
that's
going
to
say
on
the
solution:
it's
going
to
take
a
collection
of
them.
G
Senator
howe
yeah,
thank
you.
One
thing:
we've
talked
about
a
number
of
things.
Some
of
them
are
outside
of
our
control.
We
can't
control
auburn's
admissions
practices
for
gpa
or
anything
like
that.
It
seems
to
me
the
thing
that
we
keep
coming
back
to
is
the
relative
debt
load
and
the
relative
revenue
streams
from
our
from
our
veterinarians
in
state,
and
we
were
discussing
this
amongst
ourselves
up
here.
G
Some
seems
to
be
an
awful
lot
of
debt
and
commitment
to
get
a
degree
that,
relatively
speaking
from
a
professional
standpoint,
doesn't
seem
to
produce
a
lot
of
income
and
has
there
ever
been
any
comparative
analysis
done
with
other
professions
as
far
as
what
it
costs
to
buy
into
a
degree
versus
what
they
come
out
of.
You
know
we
talk
about
this
comparatively
speaking
for
rural
medicine,
for
for
people,
and
they
develop
all
of
this.
G
This
student
debt
to
get
a
medical
degree
and
come
into
our
rural
areas
to
practice,
but
they
make
a
lot
more
than
what
the
average
vet
does
as
well.
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
any
comparative
analysis
for
other
professions.
I
think
that's
something
that
we'll
want.
If
we're
going
to
go
down
this
road,
we
it
might
help
us
to
to
know
what
we're
getting
for
our
money
and
why
we're
contributing
that
for
for
these
professionals,.
E
G
Yeah,
but
but
to
senator
gibbons
point
for
80
or
90
000
a
year
to
ask
someone
to
crawl
down
in
a
ditch
to
deliver
a
calf
in
the
middle
of
february.
With
it
snowing
is
go.
It
takes
a
very
limited
skill
set
and
we
might
have
to
incentivize
that
and
we,
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
know
why
we're
incentivizing
it
for
relative
to
other
professions.
A
Good
point:
thanks
senator
howe
and
thank
you,
dr
flynn,
keith,
for
bureau's
input.
Today.
I
hate
to
cut
the
conversation
off
because
it
is
something
it
is
very
important
to
the
rural
community
and
dr
flynn
to
food
safety
and
public
health.
So
we
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
all
doing,
because
it
is
a
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
I
think,
commissioner,
you
have
another
group
to
come
up.
N
Good
morning
I'm
carrie
king,
my
wife,
representative
kim
king
and
I
raised
registered
angus
cattle
in
mercer
county,
I'm
currently
serving
as
the
the
president
of
the
kentucky
cattlemen
association,
which
is
a
volunteer
position,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
highlight,
I
think
they're
going
to
kind
of
pitch
our
our
idea
that
we
that
we
were
presenting
today,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
come
in
here,
and
sometimes
these
committees
see
a
lot
of
gloom
and
doom
and
big
issues
that
are
hard
to
overcome,
not
that
ours
are
not
not
big,
but
I
see
everything
as
optimistic.
N
I
think
I
think
we're
in
a
good
spot
in
kentucky
over
the
last
since
we've
been
involved
in
the
cattle
business,
we
have
seen
such
improvement
in
the
product
that
kentucky
is
able
to
produce-
and
I
think
in
large
part-
or
is
this
committee's
commitment
to
funding
genetics
through
ag
development
board.
All
these
monies
that
have
been
put
forth
have
been
a
huge
success.
N
N
We
just
did
it
last
week
and
he
said
that
it
was
in
lexington
kentucky
and
they
said
oh
kentucky
cattle
and
they
were
looking
down.
They
didn't
mean
to
offend
me,
but
it
kind
of
did.
You
know
they
were
looking
down
their
nose
that
kentucky
cattle,
but
you
know
what
at
the
time
it
there
was
a
lot
of
truth
to
that.
Okay,
but
but
since
that
time
I
know
I
have
made
it
up
a
personal
thing.
I
want
people
to
say
kentucky
cattle.
N
You
know
these
are
kentucky
cattle
and
they're
top
of
the
food
chain.
Well,
we
we
have
come
a
long
way
to
get
there,
I'm
sure
we
still
need
to
make
some
improvement,
but
we've
done
great
things
in
kentucky,
and
so
another
thing
that
I
see
as
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
is
our
location
where
we're
at
we're
not
just
we're
not
just
a
kentucky
based
deal,
we're
we're
regional,
we're
eastern
united
states
now
and
in
our
organization
as
I'm
here
today.
N
I
guess
I'm
I'm
here
as
a
producer
today,
but
I
do
represent
the
kentucky
cattlemen
association
and
we're
public
we're
we're
doing
magazines
for
almost
like
20
states
and
the
whole
whole
eastern
united
states
is
looking
to
kentucky
for
leadership,
and
we
are
the
go-to.
I
mean
when
pennsylvania
has
an
issue
or
florida
has
an
issue.
They
talk
to
kentucky
because
we've
become
a
leader,
so
we
we
have
a
lot
of.
N
N
Well,
as
things
have
started
to
evolve
and
and
get
better,
we
see
you
you
all
know
when
you
go
to
the
meat
case,
that
meat
is
not
a
cheap
product.
It's
your
plan,
paying
plenty
for
that
piece
of
meat,
but
when
we
look
at
our
producer,
who
is
doing
a
lot
better,
like
I
said
his
product
has
gotten
better
and
better
and
better
he's
still
kind
of
doing
things.
N
So
when
you
see
the
local
food
movement
as
you
as
you
see,
this
human
health,
I
think,
is
a
big
thing
here.
I
was
just
talking
on
the
way
down
here
with
one
of
my
good
friends,
dr
williams
wrote
with
us
what
we
put
into
our
bodies,
we're
learning
more
and
more
about
how
it
affects
our
health
throughout
our
whole
life
and
and
we've
learned
a
lot
and
there's
probably
a
lot.
N
We
still
need
to
learn,
but
anyway,
as
we
as
we
strive
to
get
get
to
these
things,
I
want
to
see
our
producers
in
kentucky
be
able
to
to
do
what
they
love.
Like,
I
said,
there's
a
calling.
I
mean
our
people
that
get
back
into
the
to
the
livestock
business,
not
just
cattle,
we're
we're
a
wide-ranging
deal
here.
We
have
our
friends
with
livestock
coalition
or
pork
people
or
corn
people
or
soybean
people.
What
I
like
about
what
we're
talking
about
doing
is,
it
seems,
we're
all
coming
together.
N
I
mean
we're
coming
together
with
with
all
aspects
of
of
agriculture
and
even
not
even
just
agriculture.
It's
it's
kentucky.
So
what
we're
wanting
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
see
this
better
product
that
our
producers
are
producing,
be
able
to
stay
in
kentucky
and
we
we
do
have.
Usually,
we
have
a
lot
of
moisture
right
now
we're
kind
of
going
through
a
dry
spot,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
moisture
winter
times
kind
of
hard
to
keep
cattle
in
kentucky.
C
N
Committee
and
as
a
legislature
and
as
ag
development
board
have
put
money
into
these
packing
plants.
We
have
chris
milam
for
one
here
with
hampton
meets
different
ones
that
are
in
these
processors
that
we
have
now
that
are
doubling
their
size,
maybe
tripling
their
capacity.
That's
good
for
all
of
us.
You're
able
to
go
and
buy
a
piece
of
meat
that
came
from
kentucky
was
raised
right
here
in
kentucky
stayed
in
kentucky,
it's
healthy,
it's
it's
safe,
nutritious!
So
that's
what
we're
after
and
we
also
we.
N
We
have
tried,
as
you
all
have
been
made
aware
of
to
to
attract
a
large
packer.
I
think
we
still
need
a
large
packer.
We
need,
we
need
regional
packers,
and
then
we
also
need
a
large
packer
where
we
can
send
our
kentucky
beef
all
over
the
nation,
we're
located
where
we
can
within
a
day's
drive.
We
can
be
from
maine
to
new
york
to
all
the
way
to
florida
coast.
N
All
the
all
the
population
in
kentucky
is
close
to
us
and
with
fuel
prices,
we're
shipping
our
product
all
the
way
to
kansas,
paying
to
ship
it.
They
feed
it
and
then
we
ship
it
all
the
way
back
past
us
back
over
to
new
york
and
boston
and
all
these
places
and
and
where
the
people
are
buying
it
so
they're
going
to
make
the
the
pitch
of
what
we're
what
we've
really
got
planned,
but
I'm
really
excited
about.
I
see
it
as
a.
N
I
see
it
as
this
is
going
to
really
not
change
the
beef
industry
in
kentucky.
This
is
going
to
change
kentucky's
economic
outlook
because
it's
all
of
agriculture
and
they're
all
in
the
room-
and
it
makes
me
proud
when
I
see
people
from
the
grain
industry
left
a
vacation
to
come
home
to
be
at
this
committee,
he's
going
to
fly
back
one
of
our
friends
to
come,
because
this
is
important.
This
is
not
cattle.
This
is
kentucky
and
I
want
I'm
proud
of
kentucky.
N
I've
always
been
in
kentucky
I'll
die
in
kentucky,
and
I
want
to
see
our
products
be
the
top
of
the
food
chain
and,
like
I
said
when,
when
when
new
york,
cattlemen's
association
needs
something
I
want
them.
I
want
them
to
know
that
they
can
get
that
information
in
kentucky
because
we're
on
top
of
it
I
want
to
be
the
this
might
not
be
the
right
in
the
west.
N
Denver
is
kind
of
the
headquarters,
they're
the
hub,
okay,
and
I
want
kentucky
to
be
the
hub,
this
side
of
the
mississippi
river
and
to
do
that.
You've
got
to
have
a
central
location
to
where
you
can
bring
all
the
people
to
the
table.
We
now
have,
I
forget
the
name
of
the,
but
it's
the
meat
processors
association's
been
formed.
I
think
that's
a
great
thing
where
they
can
all
talk
to
each
other
and
learn
from
each
other.
N
All
our
different
organizations
can
all
come
together
and
also
with
our
universities
to
to
bring
the
research
that
we
need
and
to
learn
how
to
do
this
thing
in
an
economically
sufficient
way
and
help
our
producers
be
sustainable.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
glad
to
have
a
commissioner
of
agriculture
sitting
beside
me
and
amen
brother.
E
E
Well,
okay,
that
was
from
the
heart.
I'm
gonna
be
very
brief
and
let
nikki
do
what
she
does
best
and
that's
present
a
dream
come
true.
I
mentioned
earlier
we're
a
livestock
state.
We
have
a
premier
research
facility
down
in
princeton
that
we're
rebuilding
to
do
the
tornado.
E
That
facility
is
phenomenal
for
grain
and
forage
research
and
production
now
it's
time
to
do
the
same
for
livestock
and
we
have
a
presentation.
Many
of
you
all
are
familiar
with
this.
We
actually
talked
with
you
all
this
session,
but
we
decided
to
make
sure
we
get
everything
our
ducks
in
a
row.
So
before
we
come
to
you
for
2023
that
we
have
exactly
what
we
need
in
front
of
you
and
that
will
that's
going
to
be
the
ag
education
center
and
meats
and
food
development
center
located
at
the
woodford
research
farm.
E
One
thing
we
learned
about
covit
is
that
people
want
to
buy
local.
The
kentucky
proud
brand
has
never
been
stronger,
we're
great
at
breeding
animals
feeding
animals
backgrounding
them,
but
sometimes
we're
not
processing
them
all
of
them.
Here
now,
different
industries
have
different
production
models,
but
what
you
have
behind
us?
Our
grain
producers,
our
livestock
coalition
from
pork,
cattle,
poultry,
small
remnants
and
beyond.
E
This
is
the
number
one
ask.
This
is
the
number
one
ask
from
the
ag
community
going
into
next
year
and
that
is
to
build
a
facility
that
carries
on
the
research,
but
also
the
investments
that
we've
made
and
me
processing
seven
million
dollars
in
30
different
facilities.
The
past
two
years
is
a
focus
on
food
safety
as
well
that
we're
going
to
support
these
meat
processors,
a
double
triple
capacity.
Let's
make
sure
the
food
standards
are
there
and
a
world-class
facility
to
not
only
demonstrate
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
also
train.
E
Those
who
want
to
choose
me
processing
is
a
career
to
have
a
facility
where
we
can
have
a
state-of-the-art,
modern
training
facility
to
support
them
as
well.
I
want
to
say
a
special
thanks
to
dean,
nancy
cox
and
members
in
the
audience
today
for
putting
this
together,
particularly
our
friends
at
the
cattlemen's
association,
and
with
that
I
want
to
say
before
you
see
this
presentation.
The
kentucky
department
of
agriculture
fully
supports
fully
supports
this.
As
a
number
one
ask
so
nikki.
O
Is
it
on
okay,
perfect?
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner.
I
think
they've
summed
up
the
concept
pretty
well.
So
let's
talk
about
what
exactly
we're
talking
about
here
with
this
presentation
and
as
many
everybody
has
already
said,
you
know
our
industry
supporters,
what
you
see
in
the
room-
I
have
heard
this
committee
many
times
talk
about
agriculture
being
bipartisan
and
working
together,
and
I
want
you
guys
to
know
that
your
industry
groups
feel
the
same
way.
O
We
all
whether
it's
pork,
you
know,
nikki
ellis
with
pork
and
dave
maples
and
dr
williams,
with
our
cattlemen's
association.
Sarah
coleman
with
a
horse
council,
drew
graham's
back
there.
Farm
bureau
has
been
very
supportive
of
us
h,
barlow,
with
a
dairy
development
chris
milam
with
the
newly
formed
kentucky
association
of
meat,
processors,
debbie
ellis
and
members
of
her
leadership.
O
They
drove
all
over
kentucky
today
for
this
presentation.
We
work
phenomenally
together
every
other
day,
but
today
we
come
together
as
a
unified
and
cohesive
voice
to
present
an
opportunity
for
kentucky.
We
were
going
into
the
new
decade
in
2019
with
a
lot
of
industry
strategic
plans.
I
know
the
cattlemen's
finished
up
their
long-range
plan
and
it
was
very
focused
on
value-added
marketing
within
our
products
you
know
in
in
the
agriculture
industry.
O
We
always
like
to
look
at
our
producer
and
our
products
and
how
we
can
add
value
to
both
of
those
and
then
covet
hit
right,
and
so
it
really
threw
a
kink
it.
O
Our
industry
took
a
big
hit
and
our
food
supply
chain
took
a
big
hit
and
all
of
a
sudden,
we
began
focusing
on
our
food
supply
and
asking
ourselves.
Is
our
food
supply
chain
strong
enough,
so
our
priorities
kind
of
shifted?
We
still
have
priorities
going
into
the
new
decade
for
our
producers,
but
it
really
started
focusing
on
our
food
supply
chain,
and
so
one
of
those
priorities
that
came
out
of
again
this
coalition
of
industry
in
kentucky
number
one
was
strengthen
our
processing
industry.
O
We
needed
workforce
development
on
technical
assistance,
food
safety,
research
in
our
processing
facilities.
In
kentucky
we
needed
to
collaborate.
The
efforts
of
advocate
advocating
kentucky's
agriculture
assets
like
carrie
king
said
kentucky
is
an
awesome,
agriculture-rich
state
and
it
has
been
for
years,
and
we
need
to
advocate
that
to
the
masses
we
need
to
support
value-added
marketing.
I
think
you
could
talk
to
any
producer
and
get
us
in
a
room
and
we
always
want
to
talk
about
value
added,
whether
it's
value-added
production
practices,
but
we
need
to
make
our
producers
economically
sustainable.
O
We
need
to
provide
that
technology
transfer.
We
have
a
lot
of
great
research
through
usda
and
uk
being
done,
and
we
need
to
provide
that
out
on
our
production
side,
our
food
side
and
to
the
consumers,
like
kerry,
said.
We
need
to
promote
food's
impact
on
human
health,
dave
wouldn't
say
this
out
loud,
but
he
was
in
a
hospital
for
five
days
and
with
covin,
and
so
after
they
treated
his
body
with
antibiotics.
O
So
these
were
our
industry
priorities
coming
forward
into
the
new
decade,
knowing
what
we
know
with
kovid,
knowing
what
we
knew
in
our
own
industries,
and
so
we
really
started
looking
at
a
public
private
partnership
and
centers
that
are
all
over
our
nation
and
we
kind
of
started
saying
well.
Why
can't
we
have
that
in
kentucky?
You
know
we
are
a
great
agriculture
state.
Our
food
processing
has
been
the
focus
area.
O
O
It
provided
research
for
solving
problems
and
creating
those
new
products
in
the
food
processing
industry,
and
it
was
education
on
that
technology
transfer
again
into
the
food
processing
industry.
Since
that
was
developed
in
1997.
It
has
increased
over
300
million
in
sales
revenue
back
to
their
state
and
has
created
over
a
thousand
jobs.
So
this
was
definitely
a
model
we
were
looking
at
to
replicate.
In
kentucky
we
began
site
visits.
We
went
to
mississippi
state
colorado,
state
university,
purdue
university
in
the
certified
angus
beef
culinary
center.
O
O
I
know
richard
heath,
you
are
always
about
personal
experience
and
I
can
tell
you
until
you
have
a
knife
in
your
hand
and
you
are
cutting
a
subprimal
meat.
You
know
I've.
I've
been
in
the
game
for
16
years
now.
I
thought
I
knew
everything
I've
watched
dr
renfroe
back
there
break
down
a
carcass
until
you
actually
have
the
knife
in
your
hand
and
you're
breaking
down.
You
realize
how
little
you
know
and
how
poorly
you're
doing
a
job
at
it.
O
So
we
got
to
this
point
and
we
were
gung-ho,
but
we
needed
that
partner
in
our
partnership
and
it
made
absolutely
common
sense
to
us
that
the
university
of
kentucky
our
land
grant
university
be
that
partner
and
they
had
a
commitment
in
with
uk,
and
we
signed
a
memorandum
of
understanding
in
october
of
2021..
O
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is,
while
I'm
going
through
this
presentation
with
you,
this
has
been
about
two
years:
work
of
strategic
planning,
laying
out
our
objectives
going
to
site
visits
and
really
getting
commitments
from
our
partners.
So
then
we
started
saying:
okay,
what
do
we
need?
What
do
we
need?
Do
we
need
a
facility?
Do
we
need
an
education
center
and
it
was
quickly
apparent
to
us.
O
We
did
need
an
education
center
to
serve
the
industry,
to
be
that
public
industry
voice
where
4-h
kids
could
come
or
culinary
people
could
come
or
producers
could
come,
but
we
also
needed
a
food
processing
center,
a
pilot
plant,
a
training
center.
That
would
provide
that
innovative
and
modern
approach
to
education,
to
research,
to
workforce
development
in
the
processing
industry.
O
The
woodford
county
farm
has
been
in
the
use
and
benefit
of
uk
since
1991.
it's
about
a
1500
acre
farm
there
right
at
woodford
county.
It
is
beautiful,
so
we
already
had
the
beef
unit,
swine
unit
and
sheep
unit
there,
and
we
knew
there
were
plans
for
a
dairy
research
lab
the
poultry
unit,
which
I
believe
is
already
close
to
being
completed
and
a
future
ars
animal
lab
and
future
dairy
cafer
lab.
We
knew
these
were
already
there.
O
So
for
us,
the
industry
said:
okay,
that
makes
sense
to
put
our
ag
education
center
right.
There,
uk
agreed,
and
so
this
has
been
the
plan
if
these
facilities
are
built,
where
they
would
be
located
again.
The
meats
and
foods
development
center
would
also
be
on
this
location
dean.
Little
a
previous
dean
at
uk
who
does
sit
on
our
cattlemen's
foundation,
called
this
once
a
central
focus
area
for
livestock
production.
In
kentucky-
and
we
couldn't
agree
more-
it's
a
beautiful
farm-
I
know
representative
fister,
you
know
that
first
hand,
so
this
made
sense.
O
I
will
give
a
a
small
history
on
the
woodford
county
that
that
farm
was
purchased
by
the
general
assembly
in
1990
the
purchase
went
through
and
in
96
that
phase
one
agreement
helped
complete
that
farm
for
the
beef
and
swine
and
sheep
research
unit.
O
O
I've,
I've
always
loved.
This
quote
this
was
ending
little's
presentation
and
I
think
it
still
rings
true.
Today.
The
development
of
new
technologies
and
methodologies
for
the
sake
of
their
development
alone
is
of
little
benefit
to
anyone.
The
true
merit
lies
in
the
timely
and
accurate
dissemination
of
that
technology
in
a
manner
that
it
reaches
the
maximum
potential
clientele,
and
I
couldn't
agree
with
that
more
and
I
know
this
is
a
lot
and
you're
thinking.
O
How
many
people
will
this
touch?
Well,
it
will
touch
pretty
much
everyone
and
we'll
go
over
our
audiences
here
in
just
a
second
a
minute,
but
the
livestock
coalition
commissioned
an
architect
firm
to
kind
of
draw
out
some
specs
okay.
So
we've
even
gotten
to
this
far
where
we
did
a
rendering
of
what
the
agriculture
education
center
would
look
like
and
what
the
meats
and
foods
workforce
development
center
would
look
like.
O
O
We
need
a
facility
to
train
these
food
safety
trainings
in
we
start
looking
at
human
resource
training
to
run
a
small
business,
especially
a
small
business
like
food
processing.
You
need
that
human
resource
training.
You
need
everything
that
goes
along
with
it.
Then
we
start
looking
at
our
worker
safety.
I
know
we
put
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
food
safety,
but
if
you
are
in
a
career
as
food
processing
or
even
our
producers,
we
really
start
looking
at
our
worker
safety
and
our
mental
health
and
our
workers
in
those
facilities
and
then
our
environment.
O
I
know
working
prior
to
covid,
water,
quality
and
food
processing
is
a
must
and
we
need
to
work
on
the
research
and
the
training
that
goes
along
with
that
so
workforce
development.
That
was
definitely
our
number
one
audience.
Then
we
started
looking
at
our
value-added
food
systems
and
this
audience
kind
of
includes
our
already
kentucky
proud
producers
are
all
of
our
74
000
farms.
In
kentucky
we
started
looking
at.
How
could
we
add
value
to
our
produce?
How
can
we
add
value
to
our
dairy?
O
How
can
we
add
value
in
the
kitchen
to
our
grocers,
our
restaurants,
our
cafeterias,
our
consumers,
so
those
audience
that
are
already
adding
value
and
how
can
we,
as
warren
beeler,
always
says,
make
bags
of
coleslaw
instead
of
just
selling
that
cabbage
and
that's
what
we're
always
looking
for
as
producers
is?
How
can
we
add
value
to
our
product?
O
O
I
have
been
in
many
classes
where
we
are
trying
to
teach
producers
how
important
it
is,
their
consumers,
their
product,
aligns
with
consumer
preferences,
and
we
need
to
show
that
to
our
producers.
We
need
to
hang
two
carcasses
in
front
of
them
and
say
if
you
go
a
little
bit
further
with
your
nutrition
or
if
you
go
a
little
bit
further
with
your
weaning,
this
premium
product
is
what
you
can
get,
and
this
is
x
amount
of
dollars
back
in
your
pocket
best
management
practices
again.
O
For
that
direct
return
on
investment
and
apply
research
to
practical
solutions,
this
is
a
big
one,
because
we
know
the
good
research
that's
being
done,
but
that
technology
of
transfer
back
to
the
producer
there's
kind
of
a
gap
there,
and
we
need
to
apply
that
research
to
practical
solutions
that
they
can
do
on
their
farm,
gain
access
to
new
markets
and
capitalize
on
already
what
kentucky
is
doing.
Well,
we've
talked
a
lot
today
about
students
and
we
can't
not
talk
about
this
facility
and
not
list
our
student
enrichment.
O
This
is
all
of
the
departments
and
the
college
of
agriculture
at
uk.
We
need
to
start
collaborating
these
departments
together.
Kids
are
coming
out
of
college
and
they
are
in
ffa
but
they're,
also
in
computer
science
and
they're
also
in
dietitians,
and
they
can
also
build.
You
know
a
rocket.
You
know.
O
I'm
an
eastern
grad,
I'm
a
proud
eastern
grad,
and
I
want
whatever
we
develop
out
of
these
facilities.
That
eastern,
can
you
utilize
that
I
know
we've
got
some
murray
and
morehead
state
university
people
behind
us
and
all
of
the
universities
in
kentucky
again
there's
a
lot
of
careers
within
food
processing
in
the
food
supply
chain.
We
just
need
to
draw
attention
and
make
it
attractive,
and
that
includes
our
vocational
programs.
O
I
know
we
were
talking
about
kind
of
the
kids
that
don't
get
into
vet
school,
there's
kids,
that
don't
even
get
into
four-year
colleges
and
what
really
attracts
them.
Is
it
a
three-day
short
course
in
food
processing?
Can
we
include
some
producer
value-added
programs
within
that
again
dietetics
and
human
nutrition
on
human
health?
This
is
something
that
we
definitely
started
focusing
on
prior
to
covid,
and
I
think
this
just
emphasizes
this-
the
architect
firm,
that
we
did
commission
offered
up
some
floor
plans
for
the
agriculture
education
center.
O
O
We
do
have
cost
estimates
and
we
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
an
expensive
investment,
but
we
hope
that
you
all
see
today
that
it
is
an
investment
in
all
of
kentucky
agriculture.
We
know
at
the
agriculture
education
center
that
blueprint
is
looking
at
about
an
11.3
million
dollar
just
brick
and
mortar
construction.
O
When
you
look
at
the
land
and
road
improvements,
it
looks
to
be
about
a
15
million
dollar
total
project
cost
for
the
meats
and
foods
development
center.
Again
this
is
a
pilot
processing
plant
you're,
going
to
have
human
or
you're
going
to
have
humane
handling
equipment
in
there
you're
going
to
have
processing
equipment
in
there.
O
So
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
and
our
consultation
has
has
said
that
it's
going
to
be
about
900
square
foot,
so
that
equals
about
52.7
million
in
just
the
construction
alone,
about
2.8
million
in
the
equipment
plus
the
land
and
road
improvements,
looks
to
be
about
a
16
million
dollar
total
project.
And
again
these
are
just
estimates,
but
we
have
worked
and
we
have
commissioned
consultants,
architecture
firms
to
come
up
with
this.
To
give
you
a
better
idea
of
what
this
cost
would
be
sustainability
once
it's
built.
O
What
are
we
looking
for
federal
grants?
You
know
service
fees
for
the
consultations
or
the
trainings
that
are
done
in
there,
the
hassep
trainings
or
the
the
product,
processing
consultation,
shared
use
agreements
and
rental
fees
within
the
facilities
with
our
industry
partners
and
also
industry
investment.
O
So
what
all
will
this
do?
Well,
we
hope
to
capitalize
on
a
public
private
model.
Things
are
different
nowadays,
you
know,
industry
is
kind
of
leading
the
charge
here.
Industry
and
university
are
working
together
more
closely
in
other
state
models
that
we've
seen,
and
we
want
to
capitalize
that
here
in
kentucky,
we
want
to
create
a
proactive
industry
committee.
You
know
we
want
to
draw
those
industry
professionals
with
academia
together
to
kind
of
see
what
is
needed,
enhance
our
research
and
development
increase
employment
opportunities
and
celebrate
kentucky's
ag
agriculture.
O
O
O
This
is
a
picture
I
took
from
the
road
of
the
woodford
county
farm,
it's
a
beautiful
farm,
guys,
it's
it's
pristine
and
what
better
place
to
showcase,
kentucky's,
animal
and
agriculture
and
food
science
than
right
here
in
this
farm.
So
that
is
it.
That
was
quick,
any
questions,
because
I
know
it's
a
lot.
O
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry!
I
do
want
to
bring
up
caleb
raglin,
just
as
our
livestock
coalition
leader.
He
has
some
concluding
remarks
so
caleb,
okay,.
H
Thank
you
nikki.
I
am
kayla
braglin,
I'm
president
of
the
kentucky
livestock
coalition
and
I'm
a
farmer
in
larue
county
on
my
farm.
We
raise
soybeans
corn
wheat
and
also
have
a
pharah
to
wean
hog
operation,
so
pretty
diversified
my
family's
farmed
in
larue
county
since
1808,
so
a
little
over
200
years,
deep
roots
kind
of
common
theme.
I
lived
here
and
planned
to
die
here
in
kentucky
and
as
a
multi-generation
farmer.
H
H
H
We
have
to
be
innovative
and
moving
forward,
and
that's
what
is
exciting
to
me
about
this
project
that
we're
presenting
this
is
going
to
help
us
find
ways
to
innovate,
to
move
forward,
to
add
value
to
what
we're
producing
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do
to
stay
on
the
cutting
edge
and
to
be
viable
in
our
industry.
The
economic
impact
of
this
project
is
huge.
It's
going
to
be
far-reaching
and
it's
just
really
exciting
to
get
to
present
this
to
you
all
today
and
be
a
part
of
it.
H
H
This
is
not
about
one
commodity;
this
is
about
everybody
moving
forward
for
common
good,
and
you
see
the
unity
that
we
have
there
and
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
this,
it's
not
about
who
gets
the
credit
for
it.
This
is
about
moving
kentucky
agriculture
forward
and
thank
you
all
for
your
consideration
and
your
time
to
hear
us
today.
A
Thank
you
caleb
and
nikki
and
carrie
for
all's
presentation,
outstanding
presentation
and,
commissioner
for
you
for
sort
of
tagging
along
with
them.
You
know
a
couple
of
things
and
I've
got
some
questions.
We've
got
some
other
questions
here
too.
A
I
got
some
other
questions
here
too
about
how
deep
this
endeavor
goes,
and
I
know
it's
a
large
endeavor
to
do
this.
But
it's
something
like
you
said
dr
little
talked
about
20
30
years
ago
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
not
going
to
be
around
to
help
you
in
the
actual
body
to
get
that
done,
but
but
I
think
it's
very
worthwhile.
You
know
people
don't
understand
when
you
talk
about
education.
I
know
a
lot
of
this
focus
is
on
education
and
on
helping
our
local
processors
get
the
certifications.
A
I
mean
you
didn't
mention
the
beef
network
and
what
you
all
are
already
doing
to
add
value
in
the
hamburger
and
stuff
you're
saying,
but
but
how
you're
limited
and
I've
talked
to
dave
maples
a
lot,
the
limiting
factors
that
people
don't
understand,
especially
we
as
a
committee
up
here,
don't
understand
in
this
industry
that
the
little
bit
of
fat
that
you
have
on
animals
makes
a
difference.
The
way
you
trim
the
bones
makes
a
difference.
It's
that
one,
two
three
percent,
that
some
of
these
big
corporations
can
can
gain
over
you.
A
That
makes
a
difference
in
profitability
and
that's
the
profitability
caleb
for
our
farmers.
There's
a
lot
of
education
goes
in
this.
It's
not
like
some
other
things
that
we
do
as
farmers,
where
it's
corn
and
soybeans
you're
trading
a
product,
but
you're,
not
finishing
it
to
where
you
have
all
these
variables
that
are
in
there.
A
You
know
it's
a
public
health
and
public
safety
issue.
It's
about!
How
do
we
prevent
some
of
the
diseases?
Some
of
the
things
we
have
coming
into
our
meat,
the
infections
coming
into
our
meat?
How
do
our
processors
do
a
better
job?
The
local
process
we
have,
commissioner,
do
a
better
job
in
having
the
most
up-to-date
equipment
to
ensure
that
we
do
put
the
best
product
out
there.
A
That
there
is,
you
know,
I
think,
there's
always
an
opportunity
for
some
type
of
additional
in
in
gold
where
we
can
help
our
our
our
farmers,
be
a
part
of
the
processing
to
capture
part
of
that.
You
know
one
thing
that
in
agriculture
that
we
don't
look
at
a
lot.
We
talk
about
processors,
talk
about.
Are
beef
farmers
caleb
about
beef
farmers,
try
to
make
about
a
hundred
dollars
per
animal.
The
last
number
I
saw
processors
are
profiting
about
six
hundred
dollars
per
animal,
and
we've
got
to
capture
part
of
that
too.
A
But
that's
down
the
road,
because
there
is
a
very
large
education
process
to
the
people,
they're
going
to
be
the
processors
going
to
work
in
these
plants
to
how
we
grow
the
beef,
how
we
fatten
it
and
how
we
do
it-
and
you
know,
like
I
think,
kerry
said
earlier-
we've
made
so
much
progress
in
the
last
20
years,
since
we
had
the
ag
development
fund
and
we've
changed.
The
breeding
we've
changed
the
type
of
cattle
we
raised
here
we
started
back
grounding.
A
I
think
we've
taken
that
big
step,
we've
educated,
our
farmers
and
stuff,
and
now
it's
educating
the
public
making
sure
we
have
all
the
other
entities
in
place
to
move
this
industry
forward,
and
I
think
you
have
a
great
plan
to
do
that,
and
I
think
this
is
where
it
starts
and
look
forward
to
working
with
members
this
year
to
make
sure
that
we
get
that
done
and
with
that
senator
west
has
a
question.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
both
topics.
Today,
we've
talked
about
creativity
and
innovation,
and
kentucky
has
a
problem
and
we're
working
through
that
and
trying
to
solve
that
problem.
Mr
ragland
touched
on
that
mainly
you
know.
We
have
to
be
forward
thinking
creative,
but
I
see
dave
back
here.
I'm
gonna
make
my
yearly
speech
on
my
soapbox
dave
about
why
we're
here
with
the
packer
packing
industry.
The
reason
we're
here
we
can
no
longer
wait
to
do
something
as
a
state.
J
One
of
the
big
reasons
we're
here
is
because
our
anti-trust
laws
are
not
being
enforced
in
washington
on
on
the
big
packers
they've
had
a
monopoly
for
years
and
then
that
monopoly
continues
to
get
larger
and
continues
to
be
a
huge
problem.
So
we
can
no
longer
wait
on
washington.
We
can
no
longer
wait
on
large
corporate
interests
to
look
out
for
kentucky
producers.
J
J
That's
what
we're
doing,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
you
know
one
of
the
silver
linings
of
covid
is
that
it
showed
us
what
happens
when
you
don't
enforce
the
antitrust
laws
and
when
you,
when
you
have
a
large
packers
controlling
the
market,
the
supply
chain
collapsed
and
there
were
serious
issues
at
the
meat
counter,
and
so
we
have
to
go
beyond
them.
We
have
to
go.
J
J
K
A
good
presentation:
we
had
a
robust
conversation
back
in
january
and-
and
I
think
you
you
you
and
dr
williams
and
dave
maples
enjoyed
that
conversation
a
lot.
I
think
you've
focused
this
presentation
in
ways
that
responded
to
some
of
my
constructive
criticisms.
If
you'll
back
up
one
slide
that
sustainability
piece
was
my
focus
go
back
one
more
that
sustainability
conversation
was
my
main
focus
of
a
revenue
stream
concern.
Once
we
build
it
building,
it's
wonderful,
it
would
be
a
grand
achievement
and
I'm
excited
about
building
it
operating.
P
Good
morning,
I'm
jamie
matthews,
I'm
the
associate
dean
of
research
at
cafe
and
the
commitment
if
this
building
is
built
uk
will
run
this
building.
As
these
folks
have
explained.
This
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
the
state
and
it's
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
our
university
and
our
college
to
me.
The
this
project
epitomizes,
what
our
college
is,
it's
everything
from
soil
all
the
way
up
to
growing
the
crops
which
feed
the
animals.
P
As
several
people
have
alluded
to
this
morning,
this
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
synergy
where
we
sit
down
nikki-
and
I
have
worked
for
last
couple
years,
caleb
about
last
year
and
the
ideas
that
they
have
versus
our
technical
know-how
and
what
we've
done
is
is
tremendous,
and
that
commitment
is
there.
If
this
is
built,
we
will
make
it
work.
P
We
can
go
through
all
the
technical
details
a
different
time,
but
when
we
talk
about
federal
grants,
the
federal
grant
is
all
about
human
health.
How
to
from
preschool
to
what
we're
doing
in
I
know
for
mercer
county,
my
wife
works
on
it,
teaching
the
kids,
how
to
cook
what
we're
really
doing
is
teaching
the
parents
how
to
cook
and
what
are
those
profiles
and
all
all
the
way
up
through
the
rest
of
our
extension
and
work
with
the
medical
center?
P
One
of
the
big
pushes
that
dr
cox
is
now
involved
as
a
vp
for
uk
engagement
is
all
about.
How
is
food
and
health
it's
making
that
transition
in
our
thinking
and
making
it
this
opportunity
to
add
value
to
our
various
commodity
groups
and
whatnot,
so
federal
grants
right
now?
There
are
a
number
of
them
that
are
looking
to
synergize
that
we
have
here
listed
the
cost-effective
workshops,
trainings,
etc.
P
P
A
big
part
of
what
we
have
here
and
commitment
from
uk
is
our
expertise
in
sanitation.
You
mentioned
the
beef
solutions.
What's
the
big
problem,
there
is
these
small
plants
that
you
all
have
invested
in
have
bacterial
contamination
from
caused
by
improper
handling
of
the
cattle
where
they
shed
more
e
coli,
etc.
P
P
One
thing
that
hasn't
been
brought
forward,
but
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity,
is
our
produce
processing
what
our
food
systems,
innovation,
centers,
which
this
body
has
funded
for
a
number
of
years,
and
people
have
been
involved
in
that
that's
another
area
where
it
works
with
dr
paul
working
with
the
small
farmer
producing
turning
their
damaged
tomatoes
into
salsa.
That
was
tremendous
value-added
opportunities
there.
P
K
Great
thank
you
for
the
answer
and
a
brief
follow-up.
Mr
chairman,
I'll
be
brief.
You'll
be
fine
university.
Kentucky
commitment
is
vital
to
this
going
and
moving
forward.
I
would
encourage
that
if
this
is
a
priority
for
the
university
of
kentucky
as
we
get
ready
to
go
through
the
process
of
listing
resources
to
be
built
at
the
post-secondary
institutions,
every
budget
cycle
representative,
reed
and
others
that
are
involved
in
the
budget
know
this
very
well.
We
get
a
list
of
priority
construction
items
from
each
university.
K
Now,
knowing
that
uk
is
going
to
be
coordinating
the
operational
costs,
that's
what
I'm
hearing
you
say:
it's
there's
a
commitment
from
uk
to
make
sure
the
operational
costs
are
covered
through
multiple
revenue
streams.
That's
very
comforting!
My
second
question
nikki.
If
you
could
help
me
find
an
answer,
I'm
confident
you've
got
a
similar
breakdown
of
the
meats
and
foods
development
center,
just
like
what
you've
got
here
on
the
left
hand
side
of
this
slide,
which
is
solely
for
the
ag
education
center.
O
K
And
then
last
quick
question
moving
from
a
vision
and
a
dream
to
actual
reality,
you're
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
and
I
applaud
you
again
for
doing
it,
but
there
has
to
be
someone
that
wakes
up
every
morning.
Thinking
about
I
got
to
make
this
happen
and
goes
to
sleep
every
night
thinking
it
was
a
rough
day
today
or
we
we
made
success
and
progress
here
toward
the
bottom.
You've
got
a
line
item
and
I'm
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
line
item.
You've
got
a
line
item
of
grant
administration
fifty
thousand
dollars.
K
O
Currently,
it's
I'm
working
on
it,
so,
but
yes,
that
is
and
that
it
that
I
will
say
just
for
clarification.
That
line
item
is
from
the
architecture
company
so
but
in
our
ag
development
board
grant,
which
we
did
ask
fill
out
an
application
for
that.
We
do
have
service
fees
in
there
as
well,
for
a
person
to
wake
up
every
morning
and
figure
out
how
this
is
going
to
run
together.
O
K
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
I'm
very
supportive
of
having
such
a
facility
here.
So
thank
you
all
everybody
that's
helped
to
present
and
talk
about
this
today
and
for
the
work
that
you've
already
put
in
on
this,
and
while
beef
is
our
most
prominent
here
in
kentucky
and
seems
to
have
been
the
prominent
voice
today.
M
I
appreciate
the
way
that
you
have
ensured
that
all
of
the
producers
and
livestock
producers
have
come
together
to
do
this,
because
I
want
to
ensure
that
if
we
build
such
a
facility
that
they
all
have
access
to
that,
I
think
it's
a
really
pivotal
time
right
now
for
agriculture
and
that
it's
it's
a
pivotal
time
for
us
to
expand
our
agricultural
production
here
in
kentucky,
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
focused
on
all
levels.
Small,
medium
and
large-
and
I
do
have
just
a
few
questions.
M
So
please
bear
with
me
mr
chair
with
uk's
involvement.
I
do
want
to
be
sure,
will
the
extension
agents
have
access
to
this
for
access
to
farmers
and
you're
shaking
your
head?
Yes,
so
we
expect
those
those
folks
to
be
involved
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
hoping
that
you're
familiar.
M
I
know
that
the
federal
government
just
gave
about
66
million
dollars
for
an
animal
science
research
facility
here
and
it's
my
understanding
that
that's
mostly
usda,
but
the
uk
will
have
access
to
that
and
are
we
sure
that
there
are
there
any
kind
of
redundancies
that
we
think
that
we'll
see
between
the
two
facilities
and
has
that
already
been
addressed?.
P
No,
there
won't
be
redundancies.
It's
the
there
are
two
facilities
for
the
usda.
One
is
campus
research
laboratory,
which
will
be
next
to
the
good
barn,
and
the
second
will
be
the
lab
animal
laboratory
out
where
right
next
to
our
beef
unit
currently
sits.
It
actually
fits
right
in
there
next
to
what
we
call
the
intensity,
research
building
and
so.
M
Okay
and
one
final
final
question:
are
you
anticipating
that
any
of
the
livestock
producers
will
move
their
offices
there.
O
Yeah,
that
is
the
goal.
So
in
the
agriculture
education
center
we
have
asked
that
any
agriculture
industry
groups
could
have
their
office
out
there.
Okay,
yeah
all.
A
But
that's
not
a
part
of
the
ask
for
the
state
funds.
A
You
nikki
representative
heath.
C
Just
a
closing
comment:
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
this
group
for
over
a
year
now
and
and
we've
kicked
a
lot
of
ideas
around,
it's
come
a
long
way
and
I
know
dave
and
nicky
and
others
have
traveled
and
tried
to
pull
this
together.
So
I'm
proud
of
where
we're
at
right
now.
I
think
we're
getting
real
close
to
the
goal
line
and
I
just
want
to
say
you
have
my
commitment
to
continue
to
work
with
you
and
see
this
project
succeed.
A
Well,
thank
you
nikki
and
to
all
of
your
team,
that's
here
today
and
and
not
just
the
ones
that
are
direct
involved
with
beef
cattle,
but
but
thank
all
the
the
corn
growers,
the
soybean
growers,
poultry,
goats,
sheep,
everybody!
That's
here
today.
I
appreciate
everybody
coming
together.
It
shows
how
agriculture
comes
together
when
there's
a
project
that
needs
to
be
done.
Everybody
has
the
vision.
A
They
see
that
I
want
to
give
special
thanks
to
the
other
representatives
that
are
here
from
the
university
of
kentucky
our
land
grant
university
because
of
of
europe's
interest
in
it.
That's
what
makes
these
type
of
projects
happen.
It
is
a
big
project,
it's
a
large
project,
but
it's
a
very
worthwhile
project
and
I
can
see
us
moving
forward
here.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
for
being
here
today
and
giving
the
presentation
look
forward
to
working
with
you
again
during
the
interim
and
trying
to
get
something
in
place
for
january.
All
right.
Thank.
A
Just
a
couple
of
other
comments-
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
that
is-
is
not
tied
in
with
anything
we've
talked
about
today
with
beef
cattle,
but
the
commissioner's
already
left,
but
the
commissioner
always
has
a
vision
for
different
things
that
are
coming
up
that
he
sees
as
an
issue.
A
I
work
closely
with
joe
bilby
this
year
on
the
delta
8
bill
that
passed.
The
senate
did
not
pass
the
house
and
representative
tipton
and
some
others.
I
had
two
calls
this
week
that
that
you
all
should
know
and
be
aware
that
the
thc
levels
in
this
so-called
cbd
are
running
between
12
and
20
percent.
A
There's
no
age
limits,
no
restrictions,
no
labeling,
no,
nothing
on
it!
So
just
something
I
won't
be
here
next
year.
You
all
might
look
at
our
next
meetings
will
be
at
the
state
fair
on
thursday
august
25th
at
10
o'clock.
Look
for
everybody
to
be
there
to
be
a
great
day
at
the
ferry
that
day,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
then
do
any
members
have
any
other
announcements
or
anything
you
need
to
make.