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Okay,
we
do
have
a
pretty
jam-packed
meeting
for
today
very
interesting
stuff
about
aviation
in
kentucky
this
time.
First,
on
the
agenda
is
an
overview
of
the
department
of
aviation
and
general
aviation
in
kentucky,
and
this
time
I'd
ask
commissioner
mark
carter
to
come
up
and
deputy
commissioner
brad
schwandt
deputy.
H
Okay
well
good
afternoon,
I'm
commissioner
mark
carter.
The
department
of
aviation
with
me
is
brad
schwandt,
deputy
commissioner
and
chairman
of
church
and
chairman
higdon
and
members
of
the
committee
thanks
for
having
us
today.
H
Our
task
is
is
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
department
of
aviation
and
general
aviation
in
kentucky,
but
I
may
stray
a
little
bit
from
that
and
talk
about
aviation
trends
just
generally
as
we
go
through
this
as
we
look
at
our
first
slide
here
generally,
the
mission
of
the
department
is
to
promote
aviation
and
across
kentucky,
and
it's
it's
a
time
of
significant
change
in
the
industry.
H
As
I
think
you
are
all
aware,
we
have
innovation,
that's
occurring
and
aircraft
power
systems,
one
of
the
pictures
that
you
see
there
in
the
middle
and
the
upper
part
of
that
slide.
Okay,
we're
not.
I
Here
I
do,
I
need
to
press
a
special
button,
all
right.
B
H
I
Sorry
can
I
pull
the
presentation
up
now.
H
All
right
I'll
have
to
apologize
for
my
voice.
I
was,
I
did
it
in
certain
sporting
events.
Saturday
night
was,
I
contributed,
I
think,
to
a
couple
of
the
illegal
procedure
penalties.
H
Nevertheless,
the
department
of
aviation
is
the
the
commonwealth's
resource
for
all
things,
aviation
and
it's
really
an
exciting
time
to
be
involved
in
aviation.
As
I
was
mentioning
as
you
look
at
that
screen,
both
deputy
schwandt
and
I
both
attended
a
conference
recently
of
state
aviation
directors.
We
heard
a
presentation
from
a
company-
that's
developed
a
completely
electric
aircraft,
and
it's
shown
there
in
that
middle
picture
on
the
top.
H
That
has
the
potential
to
dramatically
change
air
travel,
both
here
in
the
commonwealth
and
across
the
world.
There
are
innovations
that
have
gone
on
are
taking
place
in
technology
and
avionics.
Urban
air
mobility
drones.
H
All
these
all
these
things
that
you've
all
read
about
they
represent
really
exciting
times
for
us,
and
I
think
probably
the
most
significant
thing
is
the
number
of
new
jobs
that
are
available
as
pilots,
mechanics,
aviation,
tech,
technicians,
flight
crew
members.
These
are
great
jobs
in
kentucky
centered
around
our
commercial
airports,
but
our
general
aviation
airports
are
really
the
proving
grounds
for
folks
that
end
up
in
those
kinds
of
professions,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
great
time
to
be
involved
in
aviation
in
kentucky.
H
I
think
the
slowest
airplane
we
have
will
get
you
from
paducah
to
pikeville
in
about
two
and
a
half
hours,
and
when
you
think
about
some
of
the
travel
that
you
have
to
take
across
the
state,
it
really
can
increase
the
efficiency
of
folks
who
are
important
positions
doing
business
on
behalf
of
the
commonwealth.
H
We
also
we
own
four
airports
in
in
kentucky.
The
commonwealth
owns
four
airports,
including
the
one
here
in
frankfurt,
the
capital
city
airport.
These
are
important
to
our
local
communities
and
and
also
important
to
economic
development.
Just
last
week,
I
guess
we
had
the
ford
announcement.
We
had
several
jets
on
the
tarmac
here
at
capital,
city
airport
and,
and
you
know
it
is
the
gateway
in
the
flagship
general
aviation
airport
for
kentucky.
H
I
am
a
private
pilot.
I
think,
as
as
many
of
you
know,
I've
traveled
across
the
commonwealth.
I've
visited
about
half
of
the
airports
in
kentucky.
H
I
operate
out
of
bowman
field
and
lake
cumberland
regional
are
sort
of
the
two
airports
that
I
spend
most
of
my
time
in
they
are
great
assets
to
to
their
communities
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
part
of
the
leadership
of
the
state's
aviation
program.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
brad
the
department
is
a
small
but
effective
department.
We
have
a
total
of
about
19
folks
in
the
department.
You
can
see
them
there.
H
H
H
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
for
a
few
minutes
to
deputy
schwandt
who
will
go
through
some
of
the
overview
of
our
state
aviation
system
and
then
we'll
cut.
I
will
come
back
at
the
end
to
talk
about
some
of
the
things
we
need
to
do
in
the
future.
I
All
right
well,
thank
you
just
a
kind
of
an
overview
of
who
we
are
in
our
state
airport
system
and
where
our
funding
comes
from,
there's
57
what
we
call
public
use,
airports
there's
another
one:
that's
under
construction
in
gallatin
county
right
now
and
hoping
to
start
paving
on
that
here
in
the
next
month,
or
two
and
and
be
landing
airplanes
by
late
spring
in
22,
and
then
there's
94
private
airports
around
kentucky
and
then
there's
114
private
heliports.
I
We
have
no
public
heliports
in
the
state
of
kentucky
they're,
all
private
and
most
of
those
are
hospitals,
and
then
we
have
two
military
air
facilities,
and
then
we
have
a
drone
port
and
and
based
on
a
2017
study
that
we
had
commissioned,
and
this
is
so.
This
data
is
a
little
bit
old
compared
to
some
of
the
expansion
that
we've
had
up
in
cvg,
but
that
provides
for
almost
24
000
on
airport
jobs
and
contributes
almost
1.4
billion
on
airport
property
payroll.
I
And
this
this
picture
here
just
shows
the
dispersion
of
all
the
airports
across
kentucky
and
they're
all
part
of
what
the
fa
calls
a
nippiest
national
plan
of
integrated
airport
system
and
the
faa
plan.
For
really
every
state
in
the
union
is
to
have
an
airport,
no
closer
than
30
minutes,
30
miles
apart
from
each
other.
And
so,
if
you
get
two
that
are
too
close
to
each
other,
then
they
won't
be
part
of
that
nipias.
I
But
it
could
still
be
a
state-sponsored
airport
and
you'll
see
two
airports
on
the
lower
right-hand
corner
and
then
one
the
kind
of
center.
Those
are
the
airports
that
are
proposed,
the
one
that's
up
top,
that's
gallatin
county
up
in
sparta
kentucky
and
then
the
next
airport
that's
circled,
is
down
in
lecher,
county
and
that'll
fill
that
gap.
We
have
down
there
in
the
nippius
and
the
the
faa
does
kind
of
three-year
cycles
on
new
airports
that
they
fund
and
in
this
current
cycle
there
are
only
five
airports
that
the
faa
is
funding.
I
New
airports,
four
of
those
are
in
alaska
and
one
is
in
kentucky,
and
that
is
sparta
and
in
the
next
cycle
of
five
we
already
designated
to
get
one
of
those
as
well
and
that's
in
letcher
county,
and
so
that's
pretty
neat
out
of
you
know
not
many
other
people
are
getting
new
airports
and
kentucky
is-
and
I
think
that's
a
good
represent.
You
know
that's
representative
of
what
what
we're
doing
here
in
kentucky.
I
So
to
get
in
some
of
our
funding,
if
you
have
any
questions
specifically
to
the
slides,
go
ahead
and
ask,
and
then
we'll
have
general
questions
at
the
end
of
course,
but
krs
183
525,
that's
the
that's
really,
our
our
our
funding
statute
and
it
talks
about
everything
that
we
get
for.
State
airports
comes
from
jet
fuel
tax
and
that
can
be
at
a
commercial
airport
or
a
smaller
airport
or
a
smaller.
I
I
We
also
receive
state
or
federal
appropriations
and
other
grants,
and
we
also
get
investment
monies
on
the
money
that
we
kind
of.
When
we
receive
our
jet
fuel
tax.
We
know
how
much
we
have
and
then
we
we
forecast
what
kind
of
projects
we're
gonna
do
and
by
the
time
we
we
program
those
and
we
actually
have
construction
and
then
close
on
the
project
it'll
be
about
two
years
and
during
that
time
our
money
that
we've
taken
in
makes
money.
I
So
we're
efficient
in
that
regard,
and
I
think
most
state
agencies
are
and
and
those
funds
are
used
for
the
development,
the
rehabilitation,
maintenance
of
publicly
owned,
operated
aviation
facilities
and
for
other
aviation
programs
within
the
commonwealth
and
basically
it's
anything
aviation
related.
And
then
we
had
a
for
four
years
what
we
call
a
pavement
maintenance
allocation.
I
It
was
10
almost
10
million
dollars
a
year
for
four
years
and
we
were
using
that
to
focus
on
the
pavements,
the
grading
pavements
that
would
include
taxiways,
runways
and
aprons
and
we're
still
spending
that
money.
Even
though
we
haven't
received
any
in
the
past
two
years
and
we're
wrapping
up
that
at
the
end
of
this
year,
we'll
be
done.
Spending
that
pavement
money.
I
And
we
we
have
a
local
matching
program
with
the
faa.
So
from
a
federal
standpoint,
they
give
a
lot
of
money
to
our
local
airports,
both
general
aviation
and
commercial
and-
and
so
we,
the
the
general
aviation
airports,
get
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
from
the
faa,
and
they
can
save
that
for
three
years
and
in
the
fourth
year
spend
it.
So
they
have
up
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
spend
on
runway
projects
or
really
any
kind
of
projects
that
are
approved
by
the
faa.
I
And
then
we
will
match
up
to
seven
and
a
half
percent,
some
of
those
and
that's
seven
and
a
half
actually
there's
a
ten
percent
match
that
is
required
and
because
the
fa
will
say
we
have
a
project.
I
Let's
say
it's:
a
million
dollars,
they're
gonna,
they're
gonna
spend
nine
hundred
thousand,
then
someone's
gotta
come
up
with
the
rest
and
it's
usually
seven
and
a
half
percent
for
the
from
the
state
and
the
rest
comes
from
the
local
community,
whether
it's
a
city
or
the
county,
or
a
combination
of
both
and
there's
51
airports
that
are
classified
in
kentucky.
And
there
are
six
that
are
not
and
the
six
that
are
not.
I
They
do
not
get
those
federal
funds
and
that's
usually
because
they
don't
have
any
based
aircraft
kind
of
like
our
state
airports
or
those
airports
are
too
close
to
each
other
and
they're,
not
in
the
nipias
and
and
last
year
or
an
fy20.
We
had
four
million
dollars
in
matching
funds.
There
were
a
lot
of
federal
projects
and
then
last
year
we
had
2.5
million
matching
funds,
and
that
comes
out
of
our
jet
fuel
tax
and
and
then
looking
at
the
the
discretionary
funds
there,
those
discretionary
funds
kind
of
it's.
I
It's
not
like
the
the
what
you
get
every
year,
the
150
000,
it's
just
random,
based
on
monies
that
are
available
and
ga
airport's
got
18.5
million
in
fy
21
in
g
and
discretionary
funding,
and
that's
not
including
all
the
covet
money
and-
and
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
that
all
right
on
project
selection.
Basically,
we
look
at
safety
maintenance,
the
design
of
the
airport
function
of
it.
I
We
we
have
a
state
inspection
program
that
we
go
through
and
we
we
inspect
every
airport,
and
we
do
that
on
behalf
of
the
faa
and
and
things
that
we
find
on
our
inspections
determine
what
our
projects
are
going
to
be
and
and
then
as
well
as
pavement
degradation
and
that's
probably
the
primary
driver
of
where
all
of
our
expenditures
go,
and
we
call
that
the
pavement
condition
index
pci
and
that's
the
data
that
drives
where
we're
going
to
spend
all
of
our
money
and
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
will
to
drive
that
and
it's
laid
out
there
policy
layout
plans.
I
So,
whether
it's
the
state
or
a
federal
project,
it's
got
to
be
in
that
plan
and
then
they
also
have
what
they
call
capital
improvement
plans,
that's
fa
driven,
and
then
we
have
our
state
maintenance,
improvement
plan
and
so
with
that
and
the
inspections,
and
also
all
the
communication
that
we
have
with
the
boards
and
they
talk
and
they
communicate
back
and
forth
about
things.
They
need
to
maintain
their
airports
and
make
them
viable
economic
entities
for
their
communities.
H
One
one
point
of
interjection
I'd
make
here
is
that
one
of
the
suggestions
I
received
as
a
sort
of
constructive
feedback
for
the
department
is
that
we
could
be
quote
more
transparent
around
how
we
decide
which
projects
are
prioritized
to
get
funded.
H
You
know
my
at
least
first
few
months
working
in
the
department.
I
can
tell
you
with
just
as
straight
as
I
can
be,
that
the
process
is
very
much
engineering
and
safety
driven.
H
You
know,
there's
no,
there's
nothing
untoward
about
it,
but
we
recognize
that
we
could
be.
We
could
be
more
transparent
about
it.
So
one
of
the
things
that
was
underway
even
before
I
arrived,
was
an
effort
to
construct
a
set
of
criteria
that
could
be
published
on
our
website
and
then
the
projects
that
were
under
consideration
could
be
published
as
well
as
well
as
those
that
were
selected
for
investment,
so
we'll
be
focusing
on
getting
that
done.
H
I
All
right,
so
this
this
slide
is
just
kind
of
a
representation
of
the
money
we
spent
in
fy
21
around
the
state.
It
just
shows
that
the
money
that
we
get
and
you
look
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
it
was
17
and
a
half
million
that
we
spent
on
projects
and
that
included
money
from
the
previous
year
and
but
it
just
shows
that
they're
spread
around
the
state
and
some
projects
are
obviously
bigger
than
others,
but
it
represented
almost
close
to
60
projects
around
the
state
and
the
next
slide.
I
I
So
the
jet
fuel
tax
in
fy
22
has
pretty
much
all
been
accounted
for
and
it's
almost
15
million
and
again
it's
kind
of
spread
around
the
state.
I
A
few
less
projects
in
number
and
a
little
bigger
in
scope
and
a
lot
of
those
are
runway
and
taxiway
pavement
projects
which
we
were
funding
out
of
jet,
or
I
mean
out
of
the
pavement
fund
and
so
now
they're
coming
out
of
the
jet
fuel
tax
and
so
there's
less
number
of
projects.
But
still
we
spend
everything
we
make
and
we're
addressing
the
pavement
issues
that
we
have.
I
So
if
you
look
at
the
funding
that
we
that
we
get,
you
can
kind
of
just
go
back
over
the
past
couple
years
and
then
going
forward,
and
these
are
all
based
on
the
going
forward.
Numbers
are
based
on
the
record
e,
but
you
can
see
we
had
a
drop
in
21
due
to
covid
in
the
jet
fuel
tax
and
those
are
net.
You
know
we,
we
probably
get
we
in
fy
21.
I
We
probably
received
about
12
and
a
half
million,
but
we
had
to
maybe
a
little
more
and
then
we
had
to
debt
service
on
previous
projects
and
administrative
costs,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
ended
up
with
about
9.2
million
for
projects
and
then,
and
then
we
had
in
22
looks
like
we're
going
to
have
14
million
and
then
we're
projecting
that
out
for
the
next
two
years
and
that's
what
we
kind
of
plan
on.
So
if
you
go
further
out
into
the
future
and
look
at
our
our
needs,
we
have
the
pavement.
I
Maintenance
need.
That's
based
on
the
the
study
that
was
shared
with
the
caucus
and
basically
10
million
dollars
a
year.
Going
forward
is
what
we
think
until
we
do.
The
next
study
is
what
will
eventually
get
us
to
where
we
equilibrium
on
our
pavements
and
then
it
becomes
a
lot
cheaper,
almost
50
percent
of
the
cost.
Once
you
get
a
pavement
maintenance
program
established
when
all
your
pavements
are
up
to
what
they
call
an
80
pavement
condition
index,
and
then
we
have
other
projects
that
are
what
we
call
vertical.
I
You
know
vertical
structures,
fencing
safety,
safety
lighting,
and
so
we
forecast
through
you,
know,
2027,
and
you
can
see
that
it's
18
million
then
15
and
19,
and
then
we
have
specific
projects
on
spreadsheets.
That
kind
of
back
into
those
numbers.
H
Okay,
just
a
few
minutes
more
and
we'll
take
questions,
but
I
just
thought
I
would
walk
through
some
of
the
critical
needs
we
have
and,
first
and
foremost
it
is
the
airports
and
essentially
the
runway
environment,
and
when
I
say
that
I'm
I'm
talking
about
the
pavement,
the
aircraft
lands
on
the
taxiways,
where
the
aircraft
taxis
off
the
runway,
the
ramp,
where
they
sit.
H
H
Obviously,
a
number
of
those
projects
have
been
completed
now,
but,
as
you
all
know,
other
airports
have,
you
know,
have
gone
without
investment
for
that
period
of
time.
So
you
know
we
need
to
update
that
study.
We're
gonna
do
an
abbreviated
update
that
we
are
preparing.
Now
that
would
be
ready
prior
to
the
to
the
session
this
coming
january,
and
then
we
can
also
do
a
study
of
runways
now
using
drones
and
when
this
previous
study
was
done
effectively.
What
happens
is
engineers
go
to
the
airport?
H
H
H
Just
last
week
we
had
ford
in
here
with
a
number
of
aircraft
and
we
took
good
care
of
them
at
the
capital
city
airport,
but
we
did
get
comments
that
you
know
some
of
our
facilities
there.
Our
restrooms
are
dated.
You
know
it.
It
doesn't
make
the
same
impression
on
a
corporate
corporate
leader
that
a
place
like
lexington
would
make
with
a
facility
like
tac
air.
H
So
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
really
be
concerned
about
as
a
department-
and
I
think
as
leaders
in
the
in
the
commonwealth
is
that
we
need
other
investment
in
our
airports.
Terminals
hangars
are
important
fuel
systems.
You
know
you
need
jet
a
at
airports
if
you're
going
to
have
corporate
jets
come
in.
H
So
we
need
a
plan
to
address
those
things
at
all
of
our
airports
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
will
be
a
priority
for
us
as
we
as
we
look
forward
and-
and
I
forgot
to
mention
you
know
when
you
think
about
fueling
up
aircraft.
Now
it's
putting
avgas
or
jet
a
in
the
in
the
tank,
that's
going
to
be
charging
stations
in
a
few
years,
and
so
that's
another
thing
that
needs
to
be
considered
for
our
airport
infrastructure.
H
The
second
thing
and
the
thing
that
I
think
presents
the
greatest
opportunity
for
us
as
a
commonwealth
is
the
opportunity
for
careers
in
aviation
boeing.
Just
released,
updated
forecasts
for
worldwide
the
worldwide
need
for
pilots,
mechanics
flight
crew
members,
and
it
was
over
half
a
million
or
in
the
neighborhood,
a
half
a
million
for
each
of
those
categories.
In
north
america
alone
we
have
great
training
programs.
Here,
I've
visited
eku
and
their
program,
and
I
know
they're
presenting
later
they're
doing
fantastic
things
there
and
they
have
the
they
they're
about
at
capacity.
H
So
they
need
room
to
grow
that
four-year
program.
The
community
college
system
has,
and
in
particular
madisonville
community
college,
somerset
and
jefferson
county
all
have
great
programs
that
are
focused
on
pilot
training
in
madisonville
and
muhlenberg
county
helicopter
pilots
in
madisonville,
fixed
fixed-wing,
pilots
in
muhlenberg
county.
H
We
have
mechanics
programs
in
somerset
and
jefferson
county.
Commissioner
schwandt
is
actually
on
the
board
of
the
jefferson
county
aviation
mechanic
program
and
has
been
active
there
and
then,
of
course,
in
somerset.
We
have
a
grade
program.
That's
been
in
place
for
a
number
of
years,
so
building
opportunities
in
aviation
jobs
is
is
really
important
as
a
department.
H
It's
primarily
been
a
function
of
the
commissioner
and
the
deputy
commissioner
in
the
past,
but
I
think
we
need
to
play
a
more
active
and
coordinating
role
in
that
in
that
particular
area.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
these
are
great
opportunities
for
our
young
people.
H
H
One
of
the
visits
that
I
had
the
opportunity
to
make,
as
I
first
came
into
this
role,
was
down
to
whitley
county,
where
firestone
was
announcing
an
investment
in
in
that
community.
There's
a
great
airport
in
williamsburg,
there's
a
nice
airport
in
london
that
mattered
to
firestone.
H
So
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
look
at
across
the
commonwealth
for
opportunities
for
economic
development
and
use
aviation
as
a
tool
in
that
regard,
but
also
think
about
our
airports
and
and
aviation
as
an
economic
development
opportunity
for
the
commonwealth
in
and.
G
H
Representative
fleming,
I
think
admonished
me
at
the
aviation
and
aerospace
caucus
that
he'd
like
to
see
a
business
plan
and
so
that
an
investment
that
the
commonwealth
might
make
in
aviation
could
be
understood
in
terms
of
a
return
on
investment,
and
I
heard
that
loud
and
clear,
and
so
what
we've
been
working
on
is
really
what
you
would
expect:
an
assessment
of
the
current
environment,
developing
a
vision
for
the
future
and
then
a
plan
to
get
there,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is,
as
I've
listed
on
the
slide
is,
is
just
that
updating
our
runway
study.
H
I,
I
think
we're
we're
seeking
to
be
collaborative
with
all
the
interested
parties.
I
put
the
legislature
on
here,
but
it's
you
know.
We
want
to
work
with
the
commercial
airports
with
our
educators
with
the
business
community
to
develop
a
plan
that
we
can
bring
back
here,
that
you
can
consider
for
investment
as
we
move
forward.
A
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner
carter.
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
not
only
be
here
today,
but
the
questions
that
I
have
had
and
you
know
aviation.
We,
I
think
we've
got
a
good
skeleton
in
kentucky
with
all
the
different
programs
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
if
we
can
just
grab
a
hold
of
that
and
put
some
muscle
on
the
skeleton
we
can
move
kentucky.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
and
and
talk
about
aviation,
which
is
very
important
in
kentucky
and
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
careers
and
and
growth.
I
did
want
to
mention
you
brought
up
several
times
about
the
the
new
caucus
aviation
aerospace
caucus
here
in
the
general
assembly
and
and
it's
two
big
cheerleaders
we
have
for
that,
of
course
is
representative
dixon
and
robert
riggs.
They
have
certainly
been
cheerleaders
for
that
organization,
so
any
legislator
wants
to
join
that
it.
D
I
think
it's
very
important
as
we
go
forward
to
support
our
aviation
industry
in
kentucky
with
that
said,
I
do
have
a
question
that
probably
chairman
upchurch
was
going
to
ask
eventually
about
fuel
tax,
and
how
can
you
just
briefly
so
folks,
understand
the
fuel
tax?
How
it's
number
I
don't
know
how
much
it
is.
I
would
like
to
know
that,
but
we
have
some
exemptions
and
some
caps
on
that
would
just
kind
of
explain
how
that's
done
here
in
kentucky.
I
All
right,
so
it's
jet
fuel
tax
is
six
percent
and
that's
not
eight
what
we
call
avgas
that
those
are
reciprocating
engines
kind
of
like
you
have
in
your
car.
So
this
is
jet
engine
fuel
tax
that
can
be
a
corporate
jet
or
a
commercial
jet.
You
know
like
a
passenger
jet
or
a
ups
cargo,
jet
or
amazon
or
or
dhl,
so
they
pay
six
percent
for
each
gallon.
Just
like
a
lot
of
us
pay
six
percent.
I
When
we
go
to
the
store,
however,
the
carriers
or
really
any
contributor
any
one
person
that
that
pays
for
jet
fuel
tax,
it
is
capped
at
one
million
dollars
a
year.
So
as
a
big
carrier
like
ups
when
I
used
to
work
there,
I
worked
there
for
35
years.
I
We
were
going
through
about
and
I
retired
a
couple
years
ago
and
we
were
going
through
about
a
million
gallons
a
day,
so
whether
jet
fuel
taxes,
250
a
gallon
or
three
dollars,
a
gallon,
not
sure,
what's
being
paid,
but
obviously
you're
going
to
hit
that
cap,
pretty
quick
and
so
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
You
don't
pay
into
that.
I
Jet
fuel
tax
fund,
and-
and
so
that's
where
it
comes
from
and
and
that's
and
like
amazon,
has
they're
not
a
carrier
per
se,
but
they
they
have
lease
carriers
that
support
them,
and
I
think
there's
some
legislation,
2016
that
that
stated
that
if
you
represent
carriers
and
you
contract
carriers,
then
you
get
that
cap
as
well
so
and
granted
if
they
paid
that
six
percent
all
year
long
that'd
be
a
significant
amount
of
money
and
but
that
cap,
the
way
it
is
now
has
never
changed
for
us
since
it
came
into.
I
I
think
it
was
over
20
25
years
ago,
so
our
funding
has
been
pretty
static
over
over
time,
and
so
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
insight.
Now
the
the
av,
the
avgas
that
I
spoke
to,
that
comes
from
reciprocating
engines.
That
goes,
I
believe,
to
the
general
fund
and
doesn't
doesn't
go
to
aviation
at
all,
and
every
state
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
different
on
how
they
do
that.
Like
tennessee
state,
you
know
just
to
our
south,
you
know,
has
a
big
cargo
carrier
and
they
had
no.
I
I
think
you
know
ours
is
like
you
know,
somewhere
around
15
million,
let's
just
say,
is
average
over
the
past
three
years
they
were
bringing
about
70
million
in
their
jet
fuel
tax
and
they
got
that
cap
and
it's
slowly
going
in,
and
it
said
to
a
point
now
where
this
year
the
general
assembly
kicked
in
another
50
million
because
they
were
down
compared
to
what
they
were
used
to.
I
So
it's
just
kind
of
interesting
when
you
look
at
other
states
compared
to
us,
but
we
are
behind
compared
to
other
states
of
of
state
monies
that
go
into
aviation
to
support
the
general
aviation
fund.
I
know
it's
a
long
answer,
but
if.
H
Well
and
if
I
could
make
it
longer
the
so
that
money
goes
into
a
fund,
it's
a
jet
fuel
tax
economic
development
fund
and
then
that's
what's
used
to
improve
the
airports.
As
as
brad
mentioned
earlier,
airport
projects
don't
get
completed
within
a
biennium
they'll
cross
fiscal
years.
So
each
year
we'll
have
a
you
know,
an
amount
on
deposit
that
appears
to
be
available.
H
But
it's
not
because
it's
committed
to
projects
that
you
know
will
be
completed
in
the
following
year
or
two
years
in
terms
of
the
collections
of
jet
fuel
tax.
I
did
provide
representative
upchurch
with
a
schedule
that
showed
the
collections
over
the
last
five
years.
H
A
Okay,
we
do
have
just
a
few
more
questions
and
a
lot
more
on
the
agenda.
Representative
bojanowski.
Do
you
have
a
question.
D
Yes,
I'll
try
to
make
it
brief.
So
sometimes
in
this
role
we
have
areas
that
we
are
not
at
all
familiar
with,
and
aviation
is
one
for
me.
Can
you
just
speak
briefly
on
what
what
who
is
using
the
all
of
these
different
airports?
You
know
in
my
lifetime,
I
can
think
of
one
friend,
their
family
owned,
a
private
jet
or
a
private
plane.
It
wasn't
a
jet
and
they
were
very
wealthy.
So
are
we
are
we
primarily
private
use
or
business
use
or
maybe
speak
on
the
ratio
of
those
who's?
I
Well,
I'll
start
off
a
little
bit
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Well,
everybody
uses
it
and
and
really
general
aviation
any
even
the
faa
recognizes
this
through
the
establishment
of
that
nipis
program,
airports
around
the
country
and
that's
the
grassroots,
that's
where
pilots,
mechanics
and
and
people
in
aviation,
whether
it's
management
or
support
of
airports.
That's
where
it
all
starts.
You
got
to
get
your
start
somewhere
and
that's
essential
and
and
and
the
other
aspect
of
that
probably
more
important
aspect.
I
That's
for
communities
is
the
business
gateway
that
these
airports
represent
when
there
is
a
there
are
a
lot
of
businesses
around
the
state
when
you
go
to
any
any
one
of
the
120
counties
and
the
the
people
that
that
come
in,
invest
whether
they're
from
in-state,
let's
say
a
bigger
city
like
louisville
or
the
covington
area,
and
then
go
out
to
the
rural
areas
where
they're
they're,
establishing
warehouses
and
manufacturing
facilities
or
they're
coming
from
out
of
state
they
don't
they
don't
take
an
uber,
they
don't
drive
a
car
for
four
hours,
they
take
their
corporate
jets
and
just
like
commissioner
carter
referenced
earlier,
when
ford
made
their
announcement
at
the
capitol
city
airport
when
they
came
in,
I
mean
the
ramp
was
full
of
large
private
jets
and
those
corporate
jets
represent
these
people
that
you
know
run
these
big
businesses,
that's
how
they
get
around.
I
And
if
you
were
to
fly
commercial
like
you
or
I
most
most
of
us
all,
do
it
is
very
inefficient
when
you
look
at
what's
involved
in
in
them
when
they
conduct
business
and
that's
the
reason
corporate
jets
are
justified
and
and
it
and
they
also
fly
in
their
engineers,
they
fly
in
their
management
team.
I
They
fly
in
parts
when
their
facilities
go
down,
they
can
get
them
there
so
much
quicker,
even
though
you
got
ups
and
dhl
and
amazon
and
fedex
going
overnight,
they
can
get
these
from,
let's
say
a
chicago
to
their
manufacturing
facility
somewhere
in
kentucky
in
a
few
hours,
and
that
keeps
that
plant
a
lot
of
these
plants
go
around
the
clock
and
I
guess
you
probably
have
a
little
bit
more
to
add.
But
that's
that's
how
I
see
their
role
in
this
in
the
state.
H
Yeah,
the
only
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
the
airports
can,
you
know,
they're
different.
So
if
you
go
to
the
central
kentucky
airport,
where
the
folks
from
eku
will
testify,
you
know
you'll
see
training
going
on
there,
just
almost
non-stop
training
air
aircraft.
Now
they
get
other,
they
get
corporate
jets
and
private
aviation
in
there.
H
If
you
go
to
capitol,
if
you
just
come
over
to
capital
city
airport
and
sit
there
for
a
few
hours,
you'll
see
all
kinds:
you'll
see,
training
you'll
see,
maybe
an
occasional
private
jet
that
you'll
see
a
couple
of
people
get
off
of,
but
most
of
the
time
it's
going
to
be
corporate
travel
where
corporate
executives
are
coming
in
and
they
usually
have
several
people
with
them
so
and
then
helicopter
military
operations
at
our
airports
as
well.
So
it
it
kind
of
depends
on
which
airport
you
go
to
in
the
commonwealth.
B
Thank
you
good,
seeing
you
again,
commissioner
good
to
see
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
a
few
years
ago,
when
we
did
this
special
funding.
You
know
I
was
all
for
it
glad
you
received
it.
It's
a
shame
how
our
general
aviation
airports
looked.
I
mean
they
needed
some
maintenance
like
when
you
build
a
house
put
a
roof
on
every
20
years.
We
didn't
do
anything,
so
I'm
glad
we're
doing
that.
B
H
H
B
Okay,
so
so
the
general
aviation
plan,
so
they're
really
not
paying
into
improving
the
infrastructure
funding.
No
at
all,
I'm
all
for
infrastructure.
You
know
man,
I'm
I'm
all
over
it.
I
want
to
help
you
all
like
I
do
everyone
else
in
transportation
and
in
our
waterways,
because
it's
got
to
be
done
right,
so
they're
not
actually
building
up
to.
H
They
are
contributing
to
the
development
of
those
airports,
though,
because
you
know
they're
buying
gas
there,
the
airport's
making
a
margin
on
the
gas
they're,
renting
hangars,
you
know
so
so
they
do
contribute
to
the
development
of
the
airport.
It's
just
they
don't
do
it
through
that
tax.
B
Collection
and
just
one
more,
I
have
a
very
large
airport
in
my
county.
B
It's
just
fantastic
and
I
noticed-
and
I've
been
reading
a
lot
about
this
jet
fuel
tax,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
bugging
me
about
it.
Now
I
noticed
georgia
just
a
little
bit.
B
H
Well,
we,
as
as
brad
indicated
we
we
just
attended
the
conference
of
the
state
aviation
directors
and
the
way
states
financed
their
general
aviation.
Airports
varies
even
the
assessment
of
the
jet
fuel
tax
and
how
they
manage
it
once
they
collect,
collect
it.
H
You
know,
representative
santoro,
I
don't
have
a
number,
but
aviation
in
kentucky
in
general.
Aviation
in
kentucky
merits
investment
beyond
what
we've
been
doing
as
you
as
you
just
referenced,
how
we
finance
it
is
something
I
think
we
have
to
work
through
over
the
next
few
months,
whether
that
comes
from
a
state,
general
fund
appropriation
or
some
sort
of
user-based
tax
format,
like
we've
used
for
20
years,
is
certainly
subject
to
discussion.
A
Okay,
we
we're
kind
of
running
behind
on
schedule.
I
know
we've
got
three
other
questions,
but
what
I'm
going
to
do
to
keep
the
agenda
moving
if
the
questioners
I
I'm
looking
over
representative
fleming,
senator
wheeler
and
senator
berg,
if
y'all
don't
mind,
if,
if
you
all
you
all
going
to
stay
around
afterwards,.
I
H
Will
with
the
agenda
so
yeah
we'll
stay
around,
and
certainly,
if
there's
questions
afterwards,
okay,
you
can
feel
free
to
call
me
or
email
I'll
I'll
get
you
an
answer.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all.
A
I
B
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
chairman
higdon
and
members
of
the
committee
for
inviting
us
today.
My
name
is
seth
cutter.
I
am
director
of
communications
and
government
affairs
at
cvg,
cincinnati,
northern
kentucky
international,
but
I'm
wearing
many
hats.
Today,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
this
update
of
all
three
of
our
largest
commercial
services,
airports
in
the
commonwealth,
louisville
muhammad
ali
international,
sdf,
bluegrass
airport
in
lexington,
and
then
of
course,
cvgs.
K
So
just
wanna
we'll
try
to
expedite
our
way
through
some
of
these
slides,
but
we
included
kind
of
the
top
highlights
for
you
all
from
both
a
collective
perspective
and
then
individually
kind
of
updates
on
where
the
individual
airports
are.
K
So.
This
is
just
an
overview
of
what
we'll
talk
about.
Obviously
talk
about
the
economic
impact.
As
commissioner
carter
and
deputy
commissioner
schwann
mentioned,
the
overall
economic
impact
of
aviation
in
the
state
we'll
go
into
a
little
bit
of
depth
on
the
commercial
airports
and
then
those
individual
updates,
as
I
mentioned
so
I
know
it's
not
lost
on
you
all
that
our
commercial
airports,
just
like
the
rest
of
the
entire
aviation
and
airport
system
and
our
commonwealth,
are,
are
truly
economic
impact.
K
Economic
and
job
generators
for
the
state
particular
to-
and
I
think
representative
santoro
was
speaking
about
this.
When
you
look
at
these
the
three
largest
of
the
of
the
commercial
airports,
you
look
at
both
the
number
of
jobs
supported
and
then
the
individual
economic
impact
for
the
three
of
us
tops
over
18
billion
a
year
and
supports
more
than
134
000
jobs.
K
And
then,
of
course,
as
as
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
this
figure
is
exclusive
or
specific.
I
should
say
to
sdf
and
cvg,
but
obviously
we're
producing
in
excess
of-
and
this
was
a
few
years
ago,
480
million
dollars
a
year
in
tax
revenue,
generated
both
sales
from
visitors,
sales,
tax
and,
of
course,
payroll
taxes.
And
then
this
slide
here
you
can
see
the
breakdowns,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
for
you
all
this
14
million
passenger
number.
K
Most
all
three
of
our
airports
now
are
primarily
local,
meaning
folks
come
in
and
out
of
the
front
door,
whether
it's
residents,
business,
folks,
visitors,
those
are
people
coming
in
and
out
of
the
front
door,
eating
shopping,
visiting,
doing
business
in
the
commonwealth
via
our
airports
and
obviously
our
catchment
areas.
The
faa
for
commercial
airports
defines
a
catchment
area.
Where
is
the
natural
area
in
your
region
that
you
serve
that
people
are
coming
from?
K
So
when
you
look
at
all
three
of
our
airports,
we
cover
most
of
the
state
that,
as
you
all
know,
if
folks
aren't
flying
private
or
are
doing
training
flights
at
the
ga
airports,
they're
coming
in
and
out
of
our
commercial
airports
and
driving
from
different
places
to
get
there
and
then
catch
a
flight
and
then,
of
course,
we'll
get
into
the
cargo
impacts.
K
So
I
am
going
to
jump
into
individual
airport
updates
what
you're
seeing
on
the
screen
we're
going
to
start
with,
obviously
sdf
louisville
muhammad
ali.
K
We've
all
followed
a
similar
trajectory
which
is
positive
in
in
the
notes
there
about
louisville
in
particular,
which
has
seen
the
introduction
of
two
new
airlines,
even
despite
the
pandemic
earlier.
In
2021,
we
had
at
louisville
spirit
airlines,
which
is
a
budget
carrier,
began
service
to
fort
lauderdale,
orlando
las
vegas
and
los
angeles.
K
Then
they
later
added
pensacola
to
that
lineup
and
then
fort
myers
and
tampa
will
be
in
service
on
spirit
out
of
sdf
in
november,
and
then
earlier
this
year,
brees
airlines
airways
is
a
brand
new
carrier
new
in
in
the
u.s,
but
they
selected
louisville
as
one
of
their
startup
locations
and
have
service
out
of
louisville
to
charleston
new
orleans
and
tampa
so
those
air.
And
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
highlights
there.
Otherwise,
but
those
announcements
are
really
helping.
K
All
of
us
weather
the
storm
of
what
has
certainly,
as
you
can
see,
been
a
a
steep
hit
in
the
from
the
pandemic
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
that's
really
kind
of
correlated
with
what
we've
seen
on
our
financial
impacts
from
the
airport
authority
side
as
well.
K
K
K
Moving
ppe
moving
vaccine
moving
other
pieces
of
the
supply
chain
that
we've
all
heard
about
and
then,
of
course,
has
really
seen
an
increase
in
volumes
in
the
e-commerce
segment
for
the
express
category
that
ups
dhl
serve
and
obviously
that's
an
important,
very
critically
important
stakeholder
both
for
louisville
and
at
cvg,
with
the
demands
that
these
carriers
are
placing
on
our
facilities
our
airfields,
but
then,
of
course,
the
economic
impact
that
they're
having
through
the
creation
and
continued
growth
with
jobs.
K
I
wanted
to
point
out
for
you.
You
can
read
the
list.
I
won't
belabor
the
point,
but
this
is
a
sampling
of
projects
at
louisville
international,
on
the
capital
project
side
right
we're
talking
about
some
of
the
runway
rehab
across
the
state
with
the
general
aviation
airports.
The
same
is
true
just
on
a
different
scale
at
the
commercial
airports.
So
many
of
you
have
heard,
especially
those
in
the
the
louisville
metro
area,
that
several
passenger
loading
bridges
to
the
tune
of
10
7
million
dollars.
K
I
think
they're,
10
million
sorry
have
been
upgraded.
That's
only
seven
of
them
they're
very
expensive
assets
to
build
and
maintain.
Obviously,
louisville
has
been
in
the
news
lately,
a
terminal,
geothermal
improvement
project
is
underway
that
is
going
to
be
about
22
million
dollars
of
investment
and
then
other
projects,
both
in
22
and
23,
include
a
lot
of
mechanical
upgrades
in
their
terminal
to
the
tune
of
about
65
million
dollars.
So
obviously
these
are
just
different
assets.
K
As
we
talked
before
about
ga
airports,
commercial
airports
are
just
different
assets
to
maintain
and
to
support
the
level
of
economic
activity
that
we
provide
require
a
different
kind
of
investment,
okay
hopping
over
to
lexington
bluegrass
airport.
If
this
chart
looks
familiar,
you
don't
have
deja
vu,
it's
just
different
numbers
and
looks
very
similar
to
louisville's
month
by
month.
I
should
know
you
see
kind
of
august
there,
the
most
recent
month
of
august
21,
dipping
off
a
little
bit
and
for
those
of
you
in
the
lexington
area.
K
You
know
that
for
three
days
in
august,
lexington
closed
its
runway
for
a
major
rehabilitation
project
and
obviously
that
impacts
it
impacted
all
flights
and
and
no
flights
were
in
and
out
for
those
three
days
and
then
that
project
concluded
and
they
reopened.
But
obviously
just
like
we've
heard.
Asset
management
is
a
critical
piece
of
our
operation,
and
then
I
won't
belabor
that
point,
but
also
to
the
idea
of
capital
projects
at
lax.
K
You
can
see
some
of
the
pictures
on
the
right
were
from
that
recent
runway
rehab,
and
that
was
about
a
15
million
dollar
project
that
they
just
completed
and
then
in
22
and
23,
there's
more
than
19
million
dollars
in
airfield
safety
upgrades
that
are
critical
for
bluegrass
lex
as
well.
K
Okay,
hopping
up
to
cvg
again
very
similar,
chart
different
numbers.
This
is
our
month
by
month
for
the
last
24
months
and
one
of
the
things-
and
this
is
true
of
all
of
us,
but
we
always
talk
about
at
cvg
in
northern
kentucky-
is
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
travel
demand
that
we
have
seen.
You've
seen
the
bars
kind
of
increasing
and
obviously
at
airports,
that's
seasonal
summer.
The
holidays
in
november
december
are
going
to
be
busier
than
right
now,
when
normally
we
see
a
lot
of
corporate
traffic.
K
What's
critical
for
everybody
to
remember
is
that
over
the
last
you
know
12
months,
where
we've
seen
improvement
and
particularly
from
the
spring.
That's
all
leisure
demand.
I
mean
almost
exclusively:
we've
seen
recovery
out
of
the
leisure
segment,
which
is
why
you
have
airlines
like
breeze
and
spirit
and
up
at
cvg.
We
just
had
alaska
airlines
starting
on
subservice
to
seattle.
K
This
may,
which
is
tremendous,
but
these
are
primarily
leisure
markets
and
corporate
demand
still
significantly
lags,
as
you
know,
from
other
segments
of
the
economy
is
still
significantly
behind,
where
it
was
in
the
pre-pandemic
times.
So,
just
like,
we've
seen
the
last
few
months
kind
of
taper
off
with
the
airlines
pulling
back
service
because
of
the
delta
variant.
Until
we
see
recovery
in
the
corporate
demand
segment
for
for
commercial
traffic,
we're
not
going
to
see
a
full
pre-pandemic
recovery
at
our
commercial
airports.
K
It
was
mentioned
before
deputy
schwandt
mentioned
about
amazon.
I
wanted
to
share
some
pictures
with
you,
because
this
is
new
and
news
for
you
all.
If
you
haven't
been
up
our
way,
representative
centaur
was
referencing.
The
amazon
air
hub
they're,
doing
the
project,
as
you
see
here
in
front
of
you-
is
an
aerial
shot
over
toward
their
facility
on
the
far
right,
where
you
see
some
yellow
airplanes
off
in
the
distance.
That's
dhl's
facility,
this
very
much
mimics.
K
K
This
is
just
I
won't
belabor
the
point.
This
is
a
snapshot
of
our
property
and
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
the
ups
sorry.
The
louisville
sdf
map
is
very
similar.
It's
a
large
facility.
We
have
7
700
acres
up
at
cvg
and
you
can
see
I
wanted
to
share
with
you,
the
blue,
the
darker
blue
and
then
the
lighter
blue
are
portions
of
our
property
that
remain
airport
property
that
are
leased
to
the
exclusive
use
of
amazon.
They
have
an
option
on
other
land.
K
This
is
a
similar
list,
as
we
saw
with
louisville
sdf,
but
at
cvg
we're
just
wrapping
up
175
million
car
rental
rental
car
facility
project,
hopefully
in
the
next
few
weeks,
because
our
community
has
been
impacted,
we're
wrapping
up
a
major
rebuild
of
our
longest
runway
to
the
tune
of
nearly
70
million
dollars,
and
then
you
can
see
other
projects
there
as
well.
Looking
ahead
to
22,
you
can
see
the
sampling
of
you
know.
K
A
little
over
40
million
dollars
is
just
a
sampling
of
our
approved
and
appropriated
projects
that
are
mainly
like
louisville
are
mainly
mechanical
and
other
upgrades
to
the
facilities.
These
are
aging
facilities
congress.
Us
congress
has
not
done
enough
over
the
last
20
years
to
increase
airport
funding
based
off
the
user
fees.
We
get
to
support
these
projects,
so
our
team,
our
finance
teams,
are
great
and
are
getting
continuously
creative
in
how
we
stack
these
projects
etc.
K
But
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
kind
of
conclude
with
and
then
I'll
shut
up,
so
we
can
get
on
with
the
good
stuff
with
eku
and
somerset
is
a
snapshot
of
our
financial
situation.
You
can
see
the
columns
there
for
louisville
northern
kentucky
and
lexington,
and
this
is
just
a
snapshot
really
of
what
I
was
describing
before
how
the
pandemic
has
impacted
our
financial
situation.
So
large
operations
are
just
different
and
require
a
lot
more
money
to
maintain,
and
you
can
see
the
top
line
before
the
pandemic.
K
We
were
all
you
know,
pretty
hefty
budgets
us
in
louisville
near
120
million
dollars
a
year
which
includes
debt
service
and
grant
funding.
K
We
immediately
reduce
those
budgets,
everybody
enabled
put
together
cost-saving
measures
and
then
we
still
lost
significant
revenue
from
the
missing,
primarily
passenger
service
traffic,
and
that's
where
you
see
commercial
airports,
charge
fees,
we
don't
take
taxes,
we
charge
fees
for
our
users,
so
the
airlines
pay
landing
fees
etc.
And
that's
where
you
saw
the
most
significant
lost
revenue,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
2021
has
looked
better.
K
We
obviously
continued
to
reduce
and
cut
costs
and
enable
cost
saving
measures
we're
slowly
getting
back,
but
on
an
annualized
basis
are
still
not
realizing
the
same
budget
numbers
as
pre-pandemic,
and
then
you
can
see-
because
I
know
this
has
come
up
before
the
commercial
airports
as
well
as
aviation
in
general,
were
recipients
of
significant
federal
relief
funds
through
both
care
through
all
three
cares,
chrisa
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
then
arpa
this
spring,
which
you
can
see
how
that's
broken
out
by
each
airport,
which
have
been
hugely
helpful
and
we're
very
grateful
for
congress
and
our
delegation
approving
those
different
packages.
K
But
it's
not.
It's
not
been
enough
to
cover
the
holes
and
what
our
industry
analysts
and
what
our
airports
airport
authority
boards
are.
Projecting
is
25
2025
to
2026
would
be
the
soonest.
We
recovered
a
full
pre-pandemic
numbers
both
from
a
in
plain
passenger
employment
perspective
and
then,
of
course,
the
associated
budget,
and
that
those
federal
monies
have
been
a
lifeline
to
keep
the
lights
on
to
ensure
we
can
continue
paying
our
debt
service
on
the
already
obligated
projects.
K
A
Thank
you
seth.
You
know
what
very
good
presentation
you
know.
I
think
it's
it
doesn't
fall
short
on
any
one
of
us.
You
know
the
importance
of
of
the
commercial
airports
we
have
in
kentucky.
Yes,
sir,
with
the
carriers
that
you
all
have
coming
in
that
pays
that
jet
fuel
tax
it
helps
fund
everything
else,
we're
trying
to
do
so,
sir.
We
appreciate
you
all
and
everything
that
you're
doing
at
your
respective
airports.
I
don't
have
any
questions
myself,
but
I
think
representative
fleming
has
a
question.
F
K
F
Anyway,
I
want
to
ask
you
and
to
the
commissioner
as
well
as
one
of
my
questions,
my
questions
to
him.
How
would
you
realign
tax
policies
and
incentives
to
support
aviation
growth
that
incorporates
education
within
high
schools,
as
well
as
universities,
and
support
the
600
plus
businesses
that
contribute
about
10
billion
dollars
to
the
community?.
K
So
I
won't
speak
for
the
commissioner
but
representative
from
the
commercial
airport
perspective.
Obviously,
as
as
chairman
of
church
mentioned,
are
carriers
and
again
it's
not
it's
not
always
your
dhl's
or
amazon's
atlas.
Air
is
one
atsg
ups.
Airlines
does
fly
for
ups,
but
you
have
those
variety
of
carriers
that
are
obviously
paying
into
the
jet
fuel
tax
fund.
K
Our
perspective,
as
was
mentioned,
eric
frankel,
our
ceo
at
bluegrass
lexington,
has
commissioned
the
gatton
school
to
look
at
other
state
models.
We
know
from
our
industry
and
our
airport
leaders
talk
to
one
another
across
north
america
that
other
states
like
north
carolina
invest
significantly
and
not
even
out
of
a
dedicated
jet
fuel
tax
fund,
but
general
fund
appropriations
to
support
capital
projects
across
the
spectrum
of
the
aviation
system,
ga
airports,
commercial
airports,
workforce
development,
etc.
K
Our
airports,
the
commercial
airports,
have
invested
significant
time
with
our
teams
in
the
realm
of
workforce
development
and
trying
to
work
with
the
eku's
of
the
world.
Other
players
to
do
what
we
can
in
terms
of
exposing
our
young
people
to
the
many
careers
in
aviation,
but
obviously
we're
limited
by
time
and
resources.
We
would
welcome
that
conversation
about
what
is
the
best
way,
and
I
think
that's
what
this
gatten
study
will
look
at
what
is
the
best
way
to
support
all
of
the
components
that
make
our
state
a
leader
in
this
aviation
industry.
K
F
One
quick
comment,
mr
chairman,
that
is,
I
would
like
to
encourage
the
aviation
caucus
that
we
can
get
a
a
group
together
to
formulate
a
strategy
to
take
an
inventory
of
all
the
programs
from
a
university
and
high
school
level
to
all
the
businesses
out
there
and
take
a
holistic
approach
to
all
this.
So
we
can
get
a
grasp
of
what's
going
on
because
it's
all
being
fragmented
to
me-
and
I
get
it
but
we're
talking
about
this.
We're
talking
about
that.
We've
got
to
have
a
group
and
that's
what
I
think.
F
That's
what
the
the
president
and
and
the
the
speaker
had
the
envision
to
come
together
in
a
cooperative
effort
to
take
it
in
to
take
an
understanding
of
what's
going
on,
so
we
can
put
something
for
the
2022
session.
So
timing
is
in
the
essence.
F
And
I
think
we're
trying
to
get
something
together,
so
please
contact
either
representative
dixon
or
myself
and
and
the
chairman
higdon
in
terms
of
of
this.
So
thank.
F
F
Yes,
sir,
and
my
question
is
kind
of
broad,
but
it
may
require
some
estimations,
but
we
heard
the
deputy
commissioner
and
the
commissioner
talk
about
fuels
tax
and
the
ways
that
the
state
has
some
income
related
to
aviation,
the
dollars
that
you
presented
for
the
work
being
done
at
sdf
in
lax
and
cvg,
far
ex
or
out
pace
that
amount
that
was
talked
about
that
comes
into
the
state
coffers.
So.
E
E
K
No,
it's
an
excellent
question.
Airport
commercial
airport
funding
is
very
unique.
It
really
depends
on
the
project,
but
you
are
correct
that
of
all
of
the
listed
projects
and
that's
maybe
like
eighth
or
sixteenth
of
what
all
of
our
capital
plans
show
are
funded
from
various
sources.
A
lot
of
it
is
federal
funding
based
on
the
number
of
emplainments
or
for
us
and
for
cbg
in
louisville.
K
You,
an
air
cargo
factor,
plays
into
it
as
well,
so
there's
significant
federal
funding,
for
instance,
our
70
million
dollar
rehab
of
our
runway
was
largely
funded
by
the
feds,
and
then
we,
the
airport
authority,
are
responsible
for
for
providing
a
match.
That
match
can
fluctuate
largely
it
either
comes
from
the
airport
authority
or
yeah.
Usually
it's
the
airport
authority.
Our
three
airports
historically
have
not
received
state
funding
for
capital
projects.
K
Obviously,
that's
a
conversation,
we're
interested
in
having
or
looking
at.
How
can
the
states
support
the
system
and
in
you
know,
from
that
perspective
I
should
say
that
otherwise,
all
of
these
projects
are
very
few,
of
them
are
funded
from
any
private
sources.
The
private
sources
would
be
the
funds,
the
local
funds
that
the
airport
receives
from
our
various
sources
of
revenue
and
commercial
airports
largely
make
revenue
from,
as
I
mentioned,
landing
fees
from
the
airlines.
K
Passenger
fees
like
if
you
park
at
the
airport
and
those
are
our
largest
sources
of
non-aeronautical
revenue
or
aeronautical
revenue.
But
again
a
lot
of
the
aeronautical
revenue
go
into
a
very
complicated
that
I
don't
understand
formula
that
the
airlines
actually
approve
our
budgets
every
year
from
an
operating
perspective,
because
the
airlines
to
your
question
about
private
funding.
The
airlines
are
the
ones
who
are
charged,
the
user
fees
for
a
lot
of
the
operating
expenses
and
those
are
split
based
on
a
formula
at
the
commercial
airports.
A
You
everyone
seth,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
more
questions.
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Yes,
sir.
Next
up,
we
have
representatives
from
the
greatest
university
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
eastern
kentucky
university.
A
We're
going
to
have
roll
call
on
that.
I
figured
I'd
get
by
with
that,
but
ethan
witt
who's,
the
assistant
vice
president
for
government,
community
relations
and
dennis
senate,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
the
aviation
department?
Gentlemen,
welcome
the
floor.
Is
yours.
Well,
thank.
G
E
Chairman
of
church
chairman
higdon,
thank
you
very
much,
members
of
the
community
thanks
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
up
here
and
represent
eku
the
aviation
program,
so
we'll
get
right
to
the
slides.
Here's
a
real,
quick
overview.
What
I'm
gonna
try
to
cover
for
you
this
afternoon.
E
Real
quick
just
a
background
about
the
about
the
program
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
it,
so
the
program's
been
around
for
for
approximately
40
years.
We
actually
gave
our
first
bs
degree
in
1991
about
eight
years
after
the
start
of
the
program,
and
then
2010
is
when
we
actually
brought
it
within
the
confines
and
the
purview
of
the
university.
Prior
to
that
the
program
was
doing
all
of
its
flight
training
via
a
third
party.
E
We
rented
out
all
the
the
actual
flight
training
of
it.
The
academic
side
was
done
by
the
university.
The
actual
flight
training
was
done
by
again
a
third
party,
and
then,
at
that
time
we
made
was
the
business
sense.
We
had
a
little
bit
of
dissatisfaction
with
some
of
the
students
about
how
that
was
working.
We
made
the
decision
again
to
bring
it
under
the
confines
of
the
university.
E
We
started
leasing
our
first
airplanes
at
that
time,
and
then
the
big
two
big
milestones
for
us
was
in
2013
is
when
we
earned
the
coveted
faa
a
thousand
hour
restricted
atp
certificate,
that's
something
that
we
cherish
very
dearly.
The
faa
comes
on
a
yearly
basis
and
inspects
inspects
the
entire
program,
specifically
along
with
focusing
on
safety
and
efficiency
of
the
program.
We
continue
to
again
to
cherish
that
certificate,
and
then
we
made
the
big
decision
in
2018.
E
We
had
been
leasing
all
of
our
airplanes
prior
to
that,
through
a
variety
of
third-party
aircraft.
Leasers,
we
continued
to
pay
the
lease.
After
again,
a
number
of
years
of
doing
some
business
analysis
of
it.
We
made
the
decision
to
start
purchasing
our
airplanes.
It
was
a
better
business
model
for
us
again
just
set
the
baseline
for
the
program.
We
actually
have
three
concentrations.
E
The
pro-flight
concentration
is
the
one
that
gets
obviously
a
lot
of
the
visibility
on
the
program.
A
vast
majority
of
our
students,
a
vast
majority
of
our
students,
are
focused
on
that.
As
that
concentration
and
I
wanted
to
take
a
couple
of
seconds
to
focus
on
two
specific
concentrations:
the
aerospace
management
concentration
is
a
growing
concentration
and
focus
for
the
university
in
our
program,
as
everyone
was
saying,
commissioner
carter
and
a
number
of
the
other
speakers
here
today,
we're
focusing
on
the
breadth
and
depth
of
aviation.
E
Here
and
in
the
commonwealth,
the
the
pilot
need
is
drastic
and
again.
Half
a
million
over
the
next
couple
of
years
is
what
the
boeing
just
put
out,
but
there's
also
another
half
a
million
workforce
job
opportunities
that
are
focused
on
the
enormous
infrastructure,
support
that
the
aviation
industries
is
creating
here,
so
the
aerospace
management
is
continuing
to
grow
and
we're
starting
the
field
fill
that
void
as
a
matter
of
fact,
you'll
see
in
a
later
slide.
E
It's
almost
approximately
20
it's
taken
over
coming
up
to
about
20
of
the
program
is
aerospace
management.
The
other
one
I
wanted
to
highlight
on
is
starting
in
the
fall
of
next
year,
we're
going
to
be
offering
a
uas
concentration,
which
is
again
a
significant
improvement
in
the
significant
step
forward
for
our
program.
E
E
We
continue
to
expand
that
each
and
every
year
we
are
working
with
numerous
high
schools
to
try
to
increase
that,
along
with
that,
we,
through
a
variety
of
programs
most
of
the
online
we
can
do
offer
some
dual
credit.
There's
up
to
12
credits
that
a
student
coming
in
from
the
high
school.
If
there
would
be
a
rising
freshman
with
us,
they
can
get
up
to
12
credits.
E
Interestingly,
along
that,
on
the
bottom
side
of
that
slide,
you
can
see
that
we
were
offering
private
and
private
pilots
license
coming
in
we're,
starting
to
see
more
and
more
students
coming
into
our
program
as
a
freshman
with
their
private
pilot's
license.
That's
wonderful
for
us!
It
gives
them
a
year
in
advance
a
year
ahead
of
many
of
their
contemporaries
oftentimes.
E
They
result
in
while
they
are
seniors,
they're
being
paid
as
a
cfi,
because
they've
come
in
that
year
that
they
would
have
taken
to
get
their
private
as
a
freshman.
They've
already
got
so
they're
a
year
ahead
of
their
contemporaries
and
again
it
is
a
significant
advantage
to
those
students
that
are
coming
in
and
it's
a
great
advantage
to
us,
because
while
they
are
taking
academic
classes,
they
are
also
having
already
fulfilled
all
of
their
faa
certificates.
E
Next
slide
is
again
just
to
recap:
some
of
the
numbers
we
are
arguably
one
of
the
fastest
growing
programs
in
the
university
I'll
show
you
on
another
slide
here,
just
some
of
the
enrollments.
Over
the
last
couple
of
years
we
are
proudly
the
only
four
year
ba
of
university-based
program
in
the
commonwealth.
E
Those
are
the
numbers
for
this
year,
329
students
coming
in
we
plan
to
graduate
approximately
50
in
december
and
then
we'll
probably
in
the
january
time.
I
couple
that
with
just
approximately
a
50
or
so
more
incoming
freshmen
in
the
january
time
frame,
so
we're
running
a
steady
329
right
at
this
particular
time
and
there
again
some
of
the
demographics
that
we're
out
of
the
current
populace.
E
E
I
was
telling
mr
whitt
earlier
today
the
program
we
we
hold
bi-monthly
prospective
students
briefings
at
the
university
and
just
over
the
last
since
the
beginning
of
the
fall
semester,
we've
had
students
and
parents
come
in
from
10
additional
states
that
are
not
represented
on
that
slide,
so
we're
getting
more
and
more
from
out
of
state
there's
growth
problems
and
that's
a
good
thing
in
many
ways
and
again,
the
reputation
of
the
program
continues
to
grow
real,
quick,
just
the
enrollment.
E
As
you
can
see,
if
you
we
were
to
hold
the
numbers
behind
the
slides,
the
bar
graph,
there
we've
doubled
the
size
of
the
program
in
less
than
four
years.
We
are.
G
E
Just
under
171
students
in
2017
and
we're
close
to
350
at
this
particular
time
so
again
the
program
continues
to
grow
each
and
every
semester,
and
then
any
information
or
any
brief
on
any
kind
of
flight
program.
E
You
got
to
have
flight
hours
associated
with
it
and
again
this
is
just
to
show
again
try
to
reflect
some
of
the
growth
of
the
program
2017
we
were
average.
We
flew
just
under
4
000
hours
and
in
this
coming
fiscal
year
we
anticipate
flying
over
16
000.
four
times
the
amount
of
flights
that
we
again
were
safely
conducted.
E
Four
years
ago,
there
was
a
little
downturn
in
the
covert,
as
as
was
mentioned
my
by
by
my
predecessor,
here
briefing
you,
we
lost
two
months
of
flight
time
during
that
period
of
time,
and
then
we
rapidly
came
back
up
to
speed
on
that.
E
Just
real,
quick,
current
status
of
the
airplanes.
We
need
to
be
to
meet
the
demand
of
our
students.
We
should
be
at
around
30
between
32
and
35
airplanes.
E
In
a
later
slide,
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
say
thank
you
to
the
assembly
and
to
the
members
here
for
some
funding
that
you
recently
have
allowed
us
to
use,
but
we
currently
have
27
airplanes,
we're
aggressively
looking
for
172's
we're
happy
with
the
172
fleet
that
we
have
in
the
seminoles
as
the
twin
engine
airplanes
for
all
of
our
multi-engine
training
simulators
again.
Similar
use
of
the
simulators
is
built
through
built
in
throughout
the
syllabus.
E
We
have
advanced
aircraft
training
devices,
aatd's
that
are
familiar.
Anybody,
that's
familiar
with
the
program
or
flight
training
that
a
lot
with
use
of
those
are
allowed
to
be
put
in
the
log
books
for
our
students,
and
we
are
again
aggressively
have
them
integrated
use
of
the
simulators
integrated
into
the
program.
The
last
slide,
the
last
bullet
there
we're
very
excited
about
is
we
recently
just
this
past
summer
started
a
virtual
reality
simulation
flight
lab
it's
state
of
the
art.
There
are
only
a
few
universities
in
the
united
states
that
actually
have
it.
E
A
number
of
the
service
academies
that
are
producing
pilots
have
us,
have
it
as
well.
We
currently,
through
a
appalachian
regional,
commissioned
grant
of
about
150
thousand
dollars.
We
bought
24
of
these
sleds
over
the
summer.
E
We
push
12
of
those
out
to
the
some
of
those
high
schools
that
we
are
mentioning
previously
for
their
programs.
We
did
a
week-long
education
process
as
to
how
to
use
them.
What
some
of
some
of
the
syllabuses
that
are
incorporated
into
the
simulators
themselves
push
them
out.
We
have
12
remaining
that
we
are
currently
using
and
fully
integrating
into
our
system
again
pretty
state
of
the
art.
G
Well,
as
dennis
said,
we've
had
some
tremendous
support
from
the
general
assembly
in
recent
years,
and
I
want
to
highlight
a
few
of
those
items.
In
the
fiscal
year,
21
budget
eku
aviation
received
support
from
the
general
assembly.
We
tremendously
appreciate
that
it's
had
a
real
impact
on
our
program
since
that
time,
as
dennis
mentioned
earlier,
we've
accelerated
our
transition
from
leased
aircraft
to
university-owned
aircraft,
which
is
a
much
more
efficient
business
model
for
us
since
july
of
2020
we've
acquired
17
aircraft,
I
know
dennis,
will
tell
you.
G
We've
also
added
a
second
temporary
flight
facility
as
a
training
space
for
our
students
at
central
kentucky
regional
airport,
we're
under
a
lot
of
faa
guidelines
in
terms
of
briefing
space
and
classroom
space.
It
has
to
be
available
at
the
airport
and
if
we
could,
as
we've
continued
to
grow,
those
additional
temporary
facilities
have
been
vital
as
we
work
toward
construction
of
the
new
flight
training
center
that
we
hope
to
begin
building
next
year,
central
kentucky
regional
airport,
which
will
be
the
new
home
of
eku
aviation.
G
It
will
allow
us
to
transition
more
of
our
operations
to
the
airport,
including
the
simulators
which
are
currently
on
our
main
campus
in
richmond
and
and
thanks
to
the
general
assembly
support
we've
been
able
to
to
accelerate
that
process.
We
also
have
a
very
valuable
relationship
with
central
kentucky
regional
airport.
Central
kentucky
regional
airport
is
a
joint
venture
between
the
city
of
richmond,
the
city
of
berea
and
madison
county,
and
thanks
to
house
bill
158
that
the
general
assembly
passed
in
the
last
session.
G
We
were
able
to
amend
the
municipal
airport
statutes
to
allow
a
public
university
with
an
aviation
program
to
become
a
member
of
a
municipal
airport
board.
So
actually,
as
of
this
month,
eku
is
now
an
official
member
of
the
board.
It's
been
expanded
from
six
seats
to
eight
seats
and,
along
with
those
three
governmental
entities,
the
president
of
our
university
and
our
board
of
regents
are
able
to
appoint
two
members
of
that
board.
We
also
serve
as
the
fixed-based
operator
at
central
kentucky
regional
airport.
The
the
airport
manager
is
an
employee
of
eku.
G
The
university
runs
the
day-to-day
business
operations
of
the
airport,
and
it
also
gives
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
our
students
to
work
as
student
workers
in
that
setting
and
learn
more
about
the
day-to-day
management
of
the
airport,
and
I
will
mention
that
central
kentucky
regional
airport
is
now
the
third
busiest
general
aviation
airport
in
the
state
and
right
there.
You
can
see
some
drawings
of
the
flight
training
center
that
we
hope
to
begin
construction
on
early
next
year.
E
And
finally,
I
believe
this
is
our
last
slide,
so
we're
anticipating
again
fall
of
next
year.
It's
within
the
the
very
real
possibility
there
will
be
over
400
students
enrolled
in
the
program.
We're
gonna
again
continue
to
need
additional
airplanes.
E
We're
excited
about
the
prospects
of
the
new
flight
training
center
coming
along
we're
going
to
deal
with
again,
any
kind
of
growth
is
going
to
bring
some
challenges
as
far
as
staffing
is
concerned
and
at
some
point
we're
going
to
reach
max
capacity
down
there
at
central
kentucky
regional
airport,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
start
looking
at
satellite
operations,
remote
operations
at
some
of
the
outlying
fields
and
that's
going
to
bring
again
its
own
challenges,
especially
as
we
ensure
that
we
are
in
compliance
with
the
faa
requirements
that
are
associated
with
that
and
again,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
we're
excited
about
the
the
onset
of
a
the
initiative
to
bring
a
uas
concentration
into
the
program.
A
Well.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Just
a
couple
of
questions,
you
talked
about
kind
of
outgrowing,
your
airspace.
I
guess,
if
you
will,
how
soon
with
the
enrollment
that
you
currently
have,
do
you
think
you'll
be
reaching
that
max
capacity
where
you're
at.
E
I
think
we're
comfortable
with
the
350
330,
where
we
are
now
there
are
days
that
we
are
at
capacity,
but
as
we,
if
we
continue
to
grow
like
we
are,
I
would
anticipate
probably
next
fall
we're
going
to
be
having
to
come
up
with
other
options.
Sir.
E
Yes,
sir,
if
it
continues
to
grow
as
it
has
been.
Yes,
sir
again
we
anticipate,
I
anticipate
to
be
at
400,
students
next
fall.
A
My
next
question
is:
I
I
took
my
son
to
cleveland
to
the
cleveland
air
show
just
three
weeks
ago,
and
I
noticed
there
was
another
school
there.
Bowling
green
state
university
had
their
yes,
sir
tent
set
up.
They
were
recruiting
students.
Of
course
I
know
it's
out
of
kind
of
out
of
the
service
area,
but
yes,
sir,
and
then
I
know
middle
tennessee,
state
university,
just
a
little
bit
south
of
me.
How
do
you
all
feel
that
you
rank
among
your
peer
groups?
A
As
far
as
you
know,
recruiting
students
to
come
to
the
program?
You
know,
how
do
you
all
feel
you,
you
know
stack
up
against
the
competition?
Yes,
sir,
and
and
then
what
do
you
think
it
will
take
to
get
you
on
par
with
being
very
competitive
with
you
know
the
the
number
one
schools
out
there.
I
guess.
E
Yes,
sir,
that's
a
great
question.
I
appreciate
it.
I
I
think
quality
I
I
can
say
this
unequivocally
on
quality
of
instruct
of
instruction
and
the
product
that
we
turn
out
with
regard
to
the
professional
flight
student
and
the
management
students.
We
are
on
par
with
any
of
the
major
universities.
E
You
talk,
emory
riddle,
north
dakota
state,
any
of
those
we
are
on
par.
As
a
matter
of
fact.
Unofficially
we
consistently
get
feedback
from
regional
airline
carriers
that
are
very
impressed
with
the
quality
of
the
student
that
we
are
producing,
so
we're
very
proud
of
that
for,
and
rightly
so,
as
far
as
recruiting
the
challenge
that
we
have
is.
Our
infrastructure
is
dated
when
you
go
to
near-ter
and
near
competitors.
E
Kent
state,
auburn,
middle
tennessee,
state
bowling,
green,
have
brand
new
facilities,
a
brand
new
terminal
that
welcome
their
students,
newer
airplanes,
those
types
of
things:
it's
it's
tough
to
compete
with
them,
but
we
are
I
recent.
We
have
recently
had
two
students
that
were
in,
went
to
emory
riddle
and
came
back
and
said.
I
I'm
so
glad
I'm
part
of
this
program.
E
They
care
you
guys
care
more
about
us
fights
the
same
with
a
couple
of
the
other
universities
that
are
again
across
the
border
that
we
are
competing
with
so
again
quality
of
instruction.
I
am
convinced,
without
a
doubt,
we
are
on
par
with
the
major
universities,
where
we
as
far
as
recruiting,
where
we
are
a
little
bit
behind
the
power
curve.
To
be
perfectly
honest
with
you
is
the
status
of
our
infrastructure.
E
A
E
A
Yes,
sir,
yes,
I
know
the
one
of
the
planes
they
had
there
at
cleveland
was
an
sr-22,
so.
E
Yes,
sir,
that's
that's
to
compete
against
yeah.
Yes,
it
is
yeah
they
they've
and
auburn,
and
other
universities
that
we're
competing
with
have
again
members
of
major
airlines
that
are
in
the
c-suite
where,
where
they
say,
hey
we're
going
to
come
in
and
adopt,
you
know
five
or
six
million
dollars
into
your
program.
E
We're
not.
We
don't
have.
Unfortunately,
for
us
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
of
recent
graduates
or
graduates
that
have
been.
You
know
out
for
20
25
years
that
are
now
made
their
way
up
into
the
c-suite
of
delta
fedex
those
types
of
things
and
say:
hey,
you
know
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
fund,
a
brand
new
flight
training
center
or
we're
gonna
drop
four
million
dollars,
so
you
can
buy
brand
new
airplanes.
I.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
chairman
more
than
our
question
the
more
of
a
comment.
So
I've
got
a
nephew
that
went
through
one
of
those
programs.
He
started
out
in
high
school
and
and
was
licensed
and
then
went
through
the
program
he's
going
to
graduate
here
in
december.
So
it's
a
wonderful
wonderful
thing.
I'm
part
of
the
caucus,
probably
because
of
that,
and
I
want
to
definitely
tell
you
how
much
those
small
airports
mean
to
these
facilities.
I
know
we've
had
some
discussion
about
that
this
morning,
but
he
flies
people
in
and
out.
D
He
has
his
commercial
license
now
and
he
flies
people
in
and
out
of
there.
Yes,
sir,
all
the
time,
people
that
you
just
don't
think
and
you
don't
know
that
are
leaving
and
going
and
doing
business
in
other
parts
of
the
state
or
other
parts
of
the
country
and
coming
back
I
mean
it
just
it
mushrooms
on
itself,
and
I
would
just
offer
any
help
that
I
could
and
support
you
in
any
way
appreciate.
B
E
E
Yes,
ma'am
and
the
return
on
investment.
The
cost
of
the
program
is
right.
Around
58
000,
for
this
is
just
flight
fees.
I'm
just
talking
flight
fees.
In
addition
to
the
tuition,
those
kinds
of
things
the
average
startling
salary
for
pilots
out
of
the
first
year
is
between
55
and
60
thousand
dollars.
Most
of
them
are
getting
between
a
five
and
ten
thousand
dollar
signing
bonus
with
regional
airlines.
If
I
could
just
take
one
additional
minute,
here's
a
certain
a
story.
E
Every
spring
we
routinely,
we
have
a
career,
fair
held
down
in
keene
johnson.
In
the
april
time
frame.
We
invite
all
the
regional
airlines
to
come
and
participate
airports
for
the
management.
It's
it's
packed.
I
two
years
ago,
prior
to
covet,
I
literally
was
behind
a
student
that
went
to
one
regional
airline
and
said
in
the
regional
online.
Individual
had
was
getting
ready
to
graduate
had
not
graduated
yet
had
his
resume
had
met.
All
of
the
certificates
went
to
a
regional
airline
and
said
here's,
my
name,
the
regional
airline,
said
sign.
E
E
Basically
said
the
same
thing:
the
regional
airline
basically
made
the
same
offer
and
he
said
this
is
what
that
the
signing
bonus
that
I'm
getting
from
them
is
here.
Can
you
up
that?
Can
you
make
it
sweeter?
Can
you
give
me
a
little
bit
more
and
they
said
yes,
you
can.
So
that's
what
we
are
producing
here
in
the
commonwealth.
G
B
B
E
E
Ma'am
we
we
during
the
summer
we
are,
we
take
every
advantages
that
we
can
to
get
out
into
the
community
underserved
communities
and
brought
and
talk
about
the
program.
We
need
it's
on
me
ma'am
and
I
will
be
re.
I
have
not
had
the
resources
and
the
time
to
get
out
there
and
it
is
an
area
of
focus
that
we
have
identified
previously.
That
needs
to
improve.
E
We
work
with
the
national
society
of
black
engineers
to
try
to
get
some
of
the
camps
and
some
of
the
students
that
come
in
from
underserved.
We
have
tried
to
get
with
the
explorers
camp
and
trying
to
get
word
out
there
about
our
program.
They
we
work
very
closely
with
the
aviation
museum
in
lexington
each
summer
to
try
to
again
trying
to
get
women
and
underserved
communities
involved
in
the
program.
It
is
something
that
we
need
to
focus,
and
it
is
solely
on
me
to
do
that.
B
E
B
E
A
I
don't
think
there
are
any
other
questions.
Gentlemen,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Yes,
we
really
appreciate
what
you
are
doing
there
at
eastern
and
hang
on
just
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
we've
got
dr
castle
with
somerset
community
college,
which
is
the
greatest
community
college
in
kentucky.
J
We
very
much
appreciate
the
compliments
today,
chair
up
church
committee
members.
My
name
is
kerry
castle.
I
have
with
me
mr
chris
hall,
who
is
the
program
director
chair
department,
chair
for
the
technical
programs
at
the
college
and
also
mr
donnie
hammonds,
who
is
the
the
aircraft
maintenance
technology
program
coordinator
as
you've
heard
in
all
of
the
aviation
descriptions
so
far,
I've
much
appreciated
each
one
as
there.
We
feel,
of
course,
that
the
mechanic
side
is
a
very,
very
important
role
in
all
this,
because
without
all
this,
obviously
planes
won't
get
off
the
ground.
J
They
won't
get
off
the
ground
without
pilots
either,
but
you
have
to
have
a
very
specialized
and
a
very
focused
technician
to
do
that
kind
of
work
scc
understands
the
needs
for
those
logistics
and
the
transportation
efforts
and
for
training
in
the
commonwealth
and
is
the
oldest
of
the
only
two
such
programs
in
the
state.
We
understand
that
our
graduates,
what
our
graduates
mean
to
aerospace
and
the
aerospace
industry.
J
We
also
know
that
aviation
exports
for
aerospace
products
and
parts
were
leading
the
state
last
year
with
you
know,
14
billion
plus
in
revenue,
and
that
is
nearly
10
million
more
than
the
motor
vehicle
related
exports
as
well.
J
Personally,
I
do
know
what
it
takes
to
be
fa
certificated.
I
earned
my
airframe
and
power
plant
technician
in
1986
and
I
have
been
a
department
chair
of
two
schools,
just
like
the
one
here
at
somerset
community
college.
I
take
this
kind
of
personal.
It's
a
I'm,
a
little
biased
towards
the
technician
side
of
it,
and
it's
my
pleasure
here
to
give
this
over
to
chris
and
donnie
to
share
scc's
story
about
aviation
maintenance.
C
Thank
you,
chairman
committee
members.
As
he
said,
my
name
is
chris
hall:
I'm
the
department
chair
of
career
and
technical
at
somerset,
community
college
and
really
we're
just
excited
to
be
here
and
share
about
our
part,
147
aviation
school,
and
what
that
means
is
we
work
with
faa?
It's
an
improved
curriculum
so
that
we
may
produce
graduates
and,
as
you
all
have
heard
already
today,
with
all
that's
going
on
in
aviation.
C
To
keep
these
planes
running,
we
need
to
continue
to
produce
aviation
maintenance
technicians
here
in
the
state
as
we
recruit,
particularly
in
the
south,
central
and
southeastern
part
of
kentucky.
We
were
just
me
and
dean
bradford
who's
with
us.
Today
we
were
at
corbin
high
school
this
morning
to
talk
to
students,
of
which
34
percent
of
them
in
knox
county
grew
up
in
poverty.
C
Many
of
them
are
surviving,
on
average
family
wage
of
about
29
thousand
dollars.
What
you're
going
to
see
is
an
opportunity
for
them
in
five
semesters,
through
our
a
p
license
and
aviation
maintenance
program,
an
opportunity
to
double
what
they
grew
up
in,
and
I'm
extremely
proud
of
of
the
strides
that
we've
made
recently
to
expand
our
program.
You'll,
see
that
in
one
of
our
slides
and
to
incorporate
to
go
back
to
the
question
that
from
the
previous
speaker,
women
and
minorities
into
those
career
pathways.
C
Typically
in
years
past,
when
I
had
the
opportunity
to
go
speak
with
high
schools
and
atc's
many
times,
they'd
only
bring
some
of
the
young
men
in
to
here,
and
today
we
got
to
speak
to
all
200
of
the
freshmen
and
we
do
need
to
continue
to
recruit
students
earlier
particularly
young,
ladies
and
minorities,
so
that
they
can
begin
to
make
decisions.
Thank
you
by
the
way
for
the
dual
credit
scholarship.
C
It
is
a
game
changer
for
many
of
our
students
who
can
begin
their
college
career,
while
they're
still
in
high
school,
and
begin
to
look
at
especially
some
of
the
technical
programs
that
we
offer
and
then,
of
course,
the
work
ready
scholarship
allows
us
here
in
kentucky
to
stay
competitive,
to
produce
those
students
in
those
highly
high
wage
high
demand
programs
like
we
offer
at
somerset
community
college,
so
a
little
bit
about
us.
Let
me
make
sure
I
know
how
to
get
to
the
next
slide
here.
C
C
C
All
right,
as
you
see
and
you've
already
heard
today,
aviation
continues
to
grow
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
and
that
carries
over
into
the
aviation
maintenance
technician
roles
that
we
that
we
train
there
at
somerset
community
college.
C
If
you'll
just
look
at,
like,
I
said,
average
salary,
this
is
by
the
way,
an
average
salary
for
someone
who
has
an
a
p
license
or
went
through
our
program
by
the
way
when
I
mentioned
the
a
and
p,
if
there's
any
question
about
that,
that
is
an
faa
licensure
of
either
airframe,
which
is
pretty
much
anything
on
the
plane.
Besides
the
motor
and
then
the
power
plant
and
many
of
our
students
come
and
they
actually
get
the
anp
license,
which
is
both
of
those,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
to.
C
They
can
get
the
a
or
the
p
and
certainly
go
out
there
and
and
get
in
the
employment
field.
With
that
the
trend,
as
you
see
here,
it
continues
to
point
upward.
C
C
The
certificates
diploma
degree
that
we
offer
there.
You
can
see
the
airframe
maintenance
technician,
the
power
plant,
maintenance,
technician
the
diploma
and
then
finally,
the
aas
degree
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
while,
in
fact
we
opened
in
1969,
and
we
continue
to
offer
these
certificates
and
diploma
and
degree
we.
You
know
we
encourage
our
students
to
go
on
and
get
that
aas
degree.
C
As
we
know,
that's
oftentimes
the
threshold
for
most
companies
when
they're,
looking
at
opportunity
for
students
or
graduates
to
get
into
supervision.
But
you
know
back
to
what
I
had
mentioned
earlier.
The
big
prize
in
this
is
the
a
p
license
when
students
get
that
a
p
license.
Opportunity
just
opens
up
to
them.
They
can
go
and
and
get
a
job
not
only
in
the
state
but
anywhere
in
the
world.
C
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
that
we
face
recruiting
to
convince
young,
ladies
and
and
young
men,
that
this
is
an
opportunity
for
them
here
in
the
state
to
earn
a
an
unbelievable
starting
wage
and
and
work
for
some
of
the
largest
employers
in
the
world.
It
you
know
many
times
we
run
into
a
small
town
kind
of
thought
process.
C
As
you
know,
staying
around
whitley
county
knox,
county
mercury,
county
wayne
county,
but
these
type
of
opportunities
we're
really
excited
to
tell
more
and
more
students
about
just
what
aviation
maintenance
can
can
bring
to
their
future.
C
C
If
you
have
any
questions
about
what
we
do
with
that,
we
take
that
veteran
experience
that
they
have
and
credit
for
prior
learning,
so
that
they
do
not
have
to
necessarily
go
through
the
entire
five
semesters,
so
they
can
come
to
us
and
and
eventually
get
their
a
p
license,
get
out
in
the
employment
field
even
more
quickly
and,
as
I
said
before,
the
number
of
females
in
aviation
maintenance,
proportionately
is
is
higher
in
our
amt
program
than
any
of
our
other
technical
programs.
C
So
we
are,
are,
are
beginning
to
reach
that
audience,
but
we
ne
there's
a
lot
more
work
that
we
need
to
do,
as
I
said,
recruiting
just
getting
to
those
prospective
students
earlier
to
inform
them
of
this
great
career
pathway.
Some
of
the
other
things
that
we
can
struggle
with.
You
know
you've
heard
several
comments
today
about
purchasing
airplanes.
C
We
are,
we
are
trying
this
year
to
purchase
our
first
airplane
since
1991.
they're
hard
to
come
by.
They
are
not
cheap
and
so
whether
it's
equipment
or
even
air
aircraft,
that
is
something
that
we
have
to
plan
and
and
work
with.
You
know
even
some
of
our
partners
in
the
industry
to
receive
any
type
of
equipment.
They
may
will
be
willing
to
donate,
to
keep
that
program
growing
and
moving.
A
C
C
C
C
Typically,
that's
the
wage
and-
and
these
are
the
companies
that
they
would
see
when
they
first
graduate,
but
once
they
get
two
or
three
years
of
experience,
then
that's
when
you
see
that
transition
many
times
to
ups,
dhl,
amazon
and,
of
course,
that
salary
goes
way
up,
and
then
we
start
talking
about
six
figures
for
for
those
students
or
graduates
and
and
for
me-
and
I
want
to
definitely
have
this
slide
in
here.
What
makes
the
sec
aviation
maintenance
technology
program
so
special?
C
It's
the
instructors
when,
when
you
have
instructors
that
have
over
60
years
of
experience,
they
they
are
the
ones
that
connect
with
these
students.
They
prepare
them
for
the
a
p
test,
as
dr
castle
alluded
to
earlier,
was
mentioning
to
me
that
that
is
a
written,
a
practical
and
an
oral
test
for
each
one
of
those,
so
they
need
to
be
prepared
to
go
in
there
and
to
to
to
test
for
that
license.
So
our
are
definitely
our
instructors.
C
We've
just
hired
our
first
minority
instructor
for
our
evening
program,
so
we're
extremely
proud
to
have
him
with
the
program,
and
I
think
all
of
those
things
will
just
continue
to
help
us
grow
and
try
to
keep
up
with
the
the
market
out
there.
C
And,
of
course
you
can
see
here,
we
included
a
couple
pictures
of
our
it's
a
little
over
11
000
square
foot,
hanger
that
we
do
our
labs
there
at
scc.
C
And
any
questions.
A
Well,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
got
some
questions.
You're
just
saying
before
you
do
I'd
like
to
say
this.
You
know
this
meeting.
I
think
we've
kind
of
drawn
come
full
circle
talking
about
aviation
and
kentucky's
future.
A
Not
only
do
we
have
the
carriers
at
the
major
airports,
but
we
also
have
the
eku's
that
are
teaching
the
training,
the
pilots
that
can
go
to
work
for
the
carriers,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we've
got
you
all
at
somerset
community
which
are
doing
the
air
airplane
maintenance
that
can
fix
the
plane.
So
I
think
you
know
we
we
sit
in
kentucky,
I
think
at
a
threshold
and
what
we
do
with
it
from
here
is
is
going
to
be
up
to
us
moving
forward
to
make
sure
that
kentucky
leads
the
way.
B
B
B
It
is
it's
really
hard
to
find
qualified
instructors.
That's
got
enough
experience
to
come
in
there
and
for
us
to
comfortably.
Let
them
teach
our
students
and
there
again
it's
it's
all
about
the
funds
money
able
to
pay
them
a
decent
salary
to
come
in
and
do
that
yeah.
Absolutely.
Thank
you
all.
F
Questions
you,
mr
chairman,
go
right
ahead.
I'll,
be
really
quick!
Gentlemen.
Could
you
I
asked
the
question
a
few
minutes
ago
about
taking
inventory
of
programs.
Do
you
all
have
the
ability
to
pull
together
all
the
community
colleges,
programs
that
are
available
regardless
of
the
discipline
within
the
amp
arena,.
J
Yes,
all
of
the
all
16
of
the
kctcs
colleges
enter
their
their
courses,
count
the
same
no
matter
where
you
go.
So
if
I
understood
your
question
correctly,
the
only
other
one
that
that.
C
J
A
Okay,
had
some
technical
difficulties
up
here.
Are
there
any
other
questions
all
right?
Well,
gentlemen.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
been
a
we're
coming
in
just
under
two
hours,
so
that
that
is
great.
It's
been
a
very
informative
committee
meeting.
A
I
appreciate
everyone's
testimony
and
we'll
kind
of
get
to
work
from
here
and
see
what
direction
we
need
to
go
in,
but
before
I
close,
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
our
next
meeting
will
be
monday
november,
the
15th
at
1
pm
it's
a
little
bit
off
schedule
from
normal
because
of
one
of
the
legislative
conferences.