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A
We
have
a
quorum.
You
have
minutes
in
your
packet
from
October's
meeting.
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
an
overwhelming
amount
of
eyes,
anyways
all
right.
Well,
the
two
or
three
eyes
have
it:
we
have
a
full
agenda.
As
I
mentioned,
we
are
going
to
go
in
a
different
order.
A
We
have
a
couple
people
who
are
remote
and
in
particular
we
are
have
a
member
of
the
Utah
legislature
who
needs
to
go
very
early,
so
we
are
going
to
start
with
representative
cool
Carney
on
this
issue
in
order
to
accommodate
the
representative
from
Utah,
and
let
me
just
start
by
saying:
I
was
as
I
mentioned
two
meetings
ago.
I
was
a
lucky
enough
to
be
on
a
national
Consortium.
A
That
Kentucky
was
part
of
to
look
at
licensing
reforms
and
updates
and
improvements,
and
there
was
a
very
good
conference
in
this
year.
Talking
about
the
end
results
and
a
lot.
Many
of
those
recommendations
we
heard
some
of
those
two
months
ago
at
a
meeting,
and
this
is
another
item
that
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
to
be
addressed,
and
so
with
that
lead
in
representative
cool
Carney
the
floor
is
yours:
please
have
your
guests
introduce
themselves
and
representative
Thurston?
Are
you
on.
E
Well,
thank
you
very
much
chairman
for
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
present
today
and
for
members
for
your
consider.
Ation
of
what
I
think
is
one
possible
solution
to
the
workforce
crisis
in
our
Commonwealth.
I
am
joined
today
by
Carl
Sims,
who
is
a
deputy
program
director
for
the
Council
of
state
governments
and
representative
Norm
Thurston
from
the
Utah
State,
Legislature
and
I'll.
Have
them
introduce
themselves
for
the
record.
E
To
set
you
very
much
for
that
introductory
comment
about
the
conference
earlier
this
year.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
is
there
are
certain
areas
in
certain
industries
that
are
experiencing
a
Workforce
crisis
in
our
in
our
Commonwealth
and
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
a
pool
of
potential
workers
that
are
currently
in
the
state
that
have
work
authorization
but
that
are
chronically
either
underemployed
or
not
employed
in
their
chosen
field
of
education
and
experience.
I'm.
E
For
several
years
before
they
are
finally
resettled
in
the
United
States
that
they
have
gaps
in
their
work
experience
because
they've
had
to
leave
their
jobs
and
their
businesses
prior
to
being
resettled.
Here
once
they
are
resettled
here-
and
this
is
an
important
point-
we're
talking
primarily
about
folks
that
are
eligible
for
permanent
residents,
so
that
have
green
cards
and
they
entered
the
United
States
with
immediate
and
automatic
work
authorization
again.
The
resettlement
process
itself
does
not
contemplate
individuals
being
placed
in
their
chosen
careers,
and
so
this
is
something
that
I
hope.
E
F
Thank
you,
representative,
go
Carney
and
members
of
the
committee
chair,
Koenig,
chair
sheckle,
for
the
invitation
to
speak
today,
we're
going
to
first
start
with
first
to
introduce
CSG
if
you're
unfamiliar
with
us.
F
We
know
that
particularly
for
the
health
care,
personal
care
and
community
and
Social
Services
Fields
wishers
commonly
licensure
requirements
that
there
will
be
an
increase
in
demand,
particularly
over
the
next
decade,
10
to
20
percent
projected
by
the
Kentucky
Chamber
of
Commerce
in
these
fields.
F
F
Workforce
petition
participation
rates
are
affecting
you
know
how
this
place
into
conversation,
demographic
Trends
as
well,
with
Kentucky
55
through
64
age
grouping,
one
of
its
largest
approaching
retirement
age
and
then,
as
far
as
other
state
policies
providing
Pathways
to
employment
through
things
like
apprenticeships
and
also
looking
at
ways
that
occupational
licensure
in
particular,
can
serve
as
a
way
to
protect
public
health
and
safety,
but
also
looking
at
ways
to
reduce,
maybe
overly
burdensome
require.
Environment
is
part
of
this
conversation
just
a
quick
example,
as
this
applies
to
the
healthcare
field.
F
We
see
that,
according
to
Kentucky
Hospital
Association,
the
most
recent
data
available,
this
Hospital
job
vacancy
rate,
currently
at
17
percent
commonly
requiring
licensure
in
these
fields-
and
you
see
here,
14-
is
estimated
at
the
current
nursing.
Workforce
is
approaching
retirement
age.
F
So
looking
at
the
Immigrant
Workforce
here-
and
you
can
see
the
statistics
here
as
far
as
how
this
plays
out
at
a
national
level,
with
immigrant
population
making
up
about
13.75
percent
of
the
total
population
and
having
an
outsized
influence
or
particip
or
rate
of
participation
in
the
workforce
at
70
nationally
in
Kentucky.
These
numbers
look
about
four
percent
of
the
total
population
and
five
percent
of
the
State
Workforce.
F
In
talking
about
refugees
in
particular,
you
can
see
Kentucky
in
comparison
to
states
that
are
even
more
populous
than
our
state
at
their
near
the
top
as
far
as
number
of
refugees
coming
into
the
state.
So
you
see
here,
for
example,
in
fiscal
year
2020
this
data
by
the
U.S
Department
of
State
Kentucky's,
ranked
six
in
the
number
of
refugees
that
are
relocating
amongst
other
states
and
just
to
underline
some
of
the
considerations
about
occupational
licensure
policy.
We
do
know
that
horse
licensure
is
there
to
protect
public
health
and
safety,
but
overly
burdensome
requirements.
F
So
looking
at
those
very
specific
to
the
Immigrant
population
and
as
representative
Kulkarni
introduced,
there
are
certain
factors
at
play
here
so,
for
example,
the
lack
of
recognition
for
credentials
they
may
have
received
in
another
country
or
validating
their
work
experience
and
maybe
communication
difficulties
in
them,
navigating
the
licensure
process
and
certainly
as
English
as
a
second
language,
and
where
there
may
be
more
technical
language
involved
in
the
licensure
and
training
requirements.
F
This
may
be
a
barrier
as
well,
and
then,
if
there
are
additional,
you
know
skill
gaps
and
areas
for
training
to
meet
Leicester
requirements.
There
is
a
cost
of
course
associated
with
that,
and
there
may
be
difficulty
navigating
what
programs
are
needed
for
them
to
to
meet
licensure
requirements
and
be
able
to
practice
in
a
area
of
which
they
may
have
experience
and
the
necessary
competency
already
just
received
in
a
different
country.
F
So,
taking
a
look
at
some
State
policy
strategies,
we've
identified
here
three
for
consideration,
one,
the
creation
of
task
forces
or
dedicated
State
offices
and
Community
Partnerships,
the
modification
of
existing
licensure
requirements
and
then
specifically
addressing
the
skill
gaps
and
then
the
communication
front
for
immigrants.
So
for
task
forces
in
particular.
F
It's
a
way
for
a
state
to
build
Partnerships
with
private
sector
employers
with
those
in
the
community
working
directly
with
immigrants
and
then
within
state
government,
as
well
working
with
the
various
departments
and
those
in
the
legislature
to
identify
areas
for
reform
to
be
able
to
better
understand
the
needs
of
employers
and
the
Immigrant
population
and
to
craft
policy
recommendations
whether
that
is
through
legislation,
whether
that's
just
through
increased
awareness
and
programming.
There's
a
lot
of
opportunities
that
we've
seen
from
these
conversations
for
states
to
progress
on
this
issue.
F
So
some
examples
here,
Colorado
have
been
recently
created
a
task
force
which
will
which
is
started.
It's
working
we'll
run
through
the
end
of
2023,
looking
at
up
to
five
in-demand
occupations
and
ways
that
they
can
particularly
address
the
concerns
and
barriers
related
to
this
population
group
over
the
next
year
or
so.
Maryland
has
a
skilled
immigrant
task
force
for
the
past
few
years.
It
has
been
doing
work
in
this
area
and
then
at
the
local
level.
You
see
see
this.
F
You
know
with
Community
organizations,
including
Louisville
it's
office
of
global
globalization
and
connecting
immigrants
with
resources
and
helping
address
the
communication
issue
with
navigating
licensure
requirements.
And
these
you
know,
city
state
Partnerships
exist
as
well,
such
as
in
Detroit
and
Michigan,
and
their
office
of
new
Americans.
F
Some
examples
of
addressing
the
skill
gaps
and
English
language
proficiency
concerns.
So
states
have
been
looking
at
ways
to
provide
translated,
licensure
exams,
providing
translators
during
exams
where
it
is
appropriate
and
providing
licensure
guides
to
help
the
Immigrant
population,
navigate
the
licensure
process
and
providing
Appropriations,
even
as
in
Washington
and
New
York,
to
help
with
digital
literacy,
in
particular,
so
providing
funding
for
Community
organizations
that,
along
with
that
front,
the
modification
of
licensure
requirements
specifically
looking
at
ways
that
states
can
better
recognize
the
qualifications
and
experience
of
immigrants
that
they
received
abroad.
F
So
Virginia
and
Colorado
being
again
examples
there,
where
they're,
providing
additional
Pathways
and
the
ability
for
licensing
boards
and
departments
to
be
able
to
recognize
credentials
and
experience
that
has
been
already
gained
a
couple
further
thoughts
here.
Other
policy
considerations
that
states
have
been
taking
a
look
at
this
specific
to
in-demand
occupations.
F
So
certainly
there
is
room
to
look
at
across
the
board
of
licensure,
but
a
lot
of
states
have
been
targeting
this
approach,
especially
with
task
forces
to
things
like
healthcare,
Fields,
nursing
medical
doctors
to
have
a
more
tailored
approach,
especially
when
talking
about
things
such
as
task
forces
or
Community
Partnerships,
and
that
the
levels
of
approach
for
reform
or
policy
can
of
course
happen
at
the
legislation
level,
as
well
as
looking
at
the
board
or
Department
themselves.
What
they
can
do
within
existing
regulations
and
with
that
I'll
include
my
comments.
F
There
and
there'll
be
a
representative
Thurston
online
with
us.
D
D
Well,
it's
one
thing
to
say:
you
need
to
learn
English
while
you're
here,
but
it's
another
thing
to
say
you
can't
work
until
you
learn
English.
That's
that's!
That's
a
problematic
policy
because
we
need
their
services.
We
need
their
skills,
we
need
their
their
efforts.
We
need
them
to
be
productive.
Members
of
our
communities,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
in
general,
which
is
something
I,
would
highly
recommend.
If
you
don't
already
have
this.
D
As
of
July
1st,
we
created
the
brand
new
office
of
professional
license
review
and
gave
them
resources
to
review
all
of
our
regulations
across
the
entire
state
to
find
out.
Where
are
these
areas
that
are
preventing
people
who
are
trained
and
skilled
from
getting
jobs,
and
they
have
the
the
ability,
the
knowledge,
the
the
resources
that
they
need
now
to
to
look
at
all
of
those
requirements
in
China?
Where
are
the
barriers
that
the
legislature
can
then
removed
and
I'm
really
excited
about
that
opportunity
that
we
have
in
our
state?
D
We
have
asked
them
specifically
to
look
at
immigration
and
immigrants
as
part
of
that
and
find
it
find
areas
where
these
restrictions
are
unfairly
preventing
people
from
getting
to
work.
I
will
be
sponsoring
a
bill
this
year
on
medical
graduates,
which
is
kind
of
an
easy
fruit
people
who
are
trained
as
Physicians
or
or
similar
surgeons
in
other
countries
moving
to
our
state.
D
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
provide
those
services
to
our
to
our
patients,
because
we
have
shortages
in
all
of
those
areas
and
finding
ways
to
speed
up
and
accelerate
that
process
so
that
they
can
get
to
work
and
do
the
job
that
they're
trained.
To
do
that.
That
somebody
has
invested
a
lot
of
money
in
training
them
to
do
that
job.
They
find
themselves
in
our
state
unable
to
do
work
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
do,
and
so
that
is
one
specific
area
that
I
will
be
working
on
this
session.
E
A
focus
on
some
specific
legislation
that
I
think
Kentucky
would
benefit
from.
So
a
lot
of
states
have
offices
of
new
Americans
offices
of
immigrant
integration
that
that
specifically
look
at
the
foreign-born
population,
and
how
do
we
put
them
to
work?
Where
do
we
put
them
to
work
ties
it
in
with
the
economic
development
needs
or
Workforce
needs
of
their
state
or
their
region?
There
is
actually
a
a
Prohibition
that
would
limit
the
ability
of
immigrants
to
Learn
to
Earn
professional
licenses.
E
If
they're
non-citizens
so
states
have
taken
it
upon
themselves
to
look
at
their
own
regulations,
their
own
statutes
to
say,
okay,
how
do
we
modify
that
on
a
state-by-state
level
to
make
sure
that
we
get
people
employed
where
they
need
to
be
employed
and
where
we
need
them
to
be
employed
I
want
to
specifically
talk
about
one
option
that
Carl
presented,
which
is
a
bill
that
passed
Colorado
this
year,
I
think
in
June
of
this
year.
Is
that
correct,
which
basically
creates
a
task
force
to
study
the
issue
in
Colorado?
E
So
the
the
comprehensiveness
of
the
Colorado
Bill
includes
also
ESL,
so
Workforce
and
career
specific
English
language
training,
not
just
general
Improvement
of
English
language
skills,
but
tying
it
into
potentially
technical,
English
or
whatever
they
need
for
that
particular
career
field.
They
created
as
part
of
this
legislation,
I
think
it's
Senate
bill,
22-140
and
I
can
provide
a
draft
to
any
members
that
are
interested,
but
I
will
be
working
on
a
piece
of
legislation
that
incorporates
parts
of
this
bill,
specifically
a
Global
Talent
task
force.
E
It
doesn't
have
to
be
called
that,
but
a
task
force
of
some
kind
to
study
Pathways
for
obtaining
again
certain
in-demand
occupational
licenses
that
would
be
determined
by
Kentucky,
whatever
we
identify
as
the
top
five
occupations
in
need
or
where,
wherever
the
workforce
crisis
is
at
its
most
critical,
they
have
specifically
said
in
Colorado.
We
have
five
so
identify
five
occupations
where
we
need
to
fill
these
gaps
where
they
have
a
need.
We
can
focus
on
that.
E
We
can
focus
on
looking
at
who
is
appointed
to
this
task
force,
which
is
a
combination
of
legislators,
individuals
appointed
by
the
executive
branch,
post-secondary
education
institutions,
stakeholders
at
every
level
around
the
state,
so
they
specify
one
rural
representative
as
well
in
Kentucky.
We
can
modify
and
tailor
that
as
needed.
I
will
also
point
out
that,
in
addition
to
that,
they
had
a
specific
English
language
program
that
tied
into
this
task
force
where
they
would
identify
again
the
career-specific
English
language
training
that
would
be
needed.
E
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
cohesive
than
just
a
task
force.
That's
created,
but
I
wanted
to
sort
of
focus
the
committee's
attention
on
that,
because
we
are
talking
here
about
creating
more
efficient
and
effective
Pathways
to
professional
licensure
for
our
Refugee
population
and
I.
Think
this
is
the
best
way
to
study
the
issue
to
understand
the
scope
and
the
impact
of
putting
this
population
to
work
in
areas
that
we
are
in
critical
need
of
their
services.
So
I
will
end
there
and
open
up
to
any
questions
for
our
committee.
Thank.
A
You
let
me
start
by
asking
a
couple
questions
of
Representative
Thurston,
so
you
all
have
done
some
of
this
work
in
Utah,
yes
or
no.
C
A
My
you
know
my
I
think
it's
good
policy.
My
concern
primarily,
is
obviously
every
state
has
different
licensing
rules
to
some
some
extent,
some
bigger
changes
than
others.
How
did
you
all
Rectify
making
sure
that
you
know
these
individuals
were
speaking
of
met
the
qualifications
and
requirements
that
Utah
sets
out.
D
Yeah,
so
that
is,
that
is
a
very
important
question.
We
we
have
looked
at
competency-based
focuses
on
so
so
the
person
doesn't
come
in
and
say.
Well,
we
need
to
see
your
transcripts.
We
need
to
hear
things.
Those
are
inputs.
Well,
we
want
to
see,
are
the
outputs?
Can
you
demonstrate
competency?
D
Can
you
show
us
that
you
can
do
the
job
in
some
other
way
that
we
can
actually
observe,
because
even
if
they
did
complete
educational
requirements,
there's
no
guarantee
that
anybody
in
any
country
you
know
even
our
own,
actually
knows
how
to
do
the
job.
So
we've
we've
shifted
towards
a
competency
base
focused
working
with
our
Refugee
communities.
D
We've
also
worked
hard
to
eliminate
those
language
barriers
and
and
being
a
little
bit
more
flexible
in
terms
of
documentation
and
requirements,
because
we
understand
that
they
may
not
have
access
to
University
transcripts,
Etc
being
able
to
accept
alternate
forms,
but
the
biggest
I
think
part
of
this
is
is
just
helping
them
understand
that
you
are
valued
because
of
the
skills
that
you
have
and
when
you
can
demonstrate
those
skills
that
we
don't
want.
The
license
to
be
the
reason
why
you're
not
working.
G
Courage
for
someone
to
move
from
another
Nation
to
the
United
States,
even
if
they
do
have
special
skill,
sets
that
we
are
in
need
of
I'm,
wondering
representative
Thurston.
If
Utah
has
been
able
to
utilize
transcription
on
telephones
when
when
people
are
speaking,
one
language,
it
can
be
interpreted
into
English.
D
Yeah
we
have
not
used
that
yet,
but
we
have
instructed
the
office
of
the
offices
that
do
deal
with
licensing
to
make
sure
that
they
have
translation
skills
and
usually
what
they
do
is
is
there's
a
telephone
service
and
you
can
get
an
interpreter
online
and
so
they.
So
even
if
you're
in
person
with
somebody,
you
can
pull
up
an
interpreter
online
and
they
can
do
that.
Interpretation
through
a
live
interpreter.
But
that's
an
interesting
idea
just
to
be
able
to
do
the
same
thing
with
technology
and
not
need
to
have
the
third
person.
H
Miller
I
I,
don't
think
CDLs
are
local
locally
governed,
but
that's
kind
of
a
microcosm.
We've
have
nationwide
85
000
CDL
Drivers
short
I
mean
even
in
even
in
Louisville.
We
have.
Our
garbage
doesn't
get
hauled
on
the
right
day
because
there's
a
shortage
of
drivers,
can
you
TR?
Can
you
take
that
as
an
example
and
say
what
is
Utah
doing
to
remediate
issues
like
that?
D
Yeah,
so
so,
with
that
specific
issue,
so
cdl's
complicated,
because
there
are
federal
requirements
that
that
touch
on
that
as
well
and
that
we
cannot
get
get
Beyond
those
shuttle
requirements.
D
But
in
that
scenario,
suppose
that
you
didn't
need
to
have
the
federal
permissions
or
whatever
to
be
able
to
have
a
person
come
in
and
get
a
CDL
with
the
Department
of
Motor,
Vehicles
or
Driver's
License
Division
and
say:
can
we
figure
out
how
to
get
this
Refugee
licensed
to
drive
a,
for
example,
a
garbage
collection
truck
without
necessarily
needing
to
know
as
much
English,
because
usually
in
that
situation,
it's
not
about
do
you
know
how
to
drive
a
truck.
D
D
And
so
can
we
find
a
ways
to
to
resolve
those
language
barriers
that
are
appropriate
to
that
specific
case,
and
so
that's
a
very
difficult
one,
because
there
are
federal
federal
restrictions
that
come
into
play,
but
that
that
would
be
our
approach
is
to
say
like
let's:
let's
get
you
the
skills,
let's
teach
you
how
to
drive
the
truck
and
if
you
don't
know
enough,
English
to
pass
the
test.
Let's
Help
work
around
that,
while
you
are
learning
English,
if
it's
not
necessary
to
complete
the
job.
Thank
you.
H
A
I
I
just
have
a
few
thoughts
I'd
like
to
kind
of
like
to
throw
out
here
we're
talking
about,
or
at
least
being
requested
somewhat.
I
If
you
consider
a
task
force
to
start
to
determine
which
pathways
are
needed,
I
guess
my
my
biggest
concern
is:
do
we
need
to
consider
a
task
force
to
determine
if
a
pathway
is
needed?
One
of
the
things
I
don't
want
to
get
into
is
having
immigrants
having
a
pathway.
That's
that's
easier
than
our
citizens
here
in
this
country.
I
I
I
won't
do
that.
I
won't
do
that.
We
got
people
in
this
country
who
want
to
work
who
work
hard
to
get
to
a
particular
to
a
particular
level.
I
know
we
talk
about
removing
some
of
the
language
barriers
as
if
it's
just
well
kind
of
an
easy,
easy
fix.
My
concern,
if
we're
trying
to
fill
gaps
in
some
of
the
priority
areas
that
we
need
and
not
really
looking
at
the
same
looking
at
the
safety
of
our
citizens
in
this
country-
and
that's
that's-
that's
really
important
to
me.
I
I
know
there
I
know
there
are
Workforce
issues
in
our
Workforce
gaps,
but
I'm
not
willing
I'm,
not
willing
to
fill
those
gaps.
If
it's
going
to
put
our
citizens
in
danger,
it
isn't.
It
is
not
worth
it
to
me,
but
I
think
I,
think.
The
conversation
that
you
all
are
mentioning
is
is
one
that
we
need
to
have.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and.
I
E
Of
those
comments
and
I
appreciate
your
your
concern,
Senator
Douglas
I
think
they
are
certainly
shared,
probably
by
everyone
on
this
committee
and
myself
as
well.
I
will
say
that
there
is
in
no
way
a
situation
where
this
is
going
to
make
it
easier
for
this
particular
population
than
it
is
for
our
native
born
population.
E
This
is
a
group
of
people
that
have
been
displaced
from
their
homes
that
have
gone
through
various
traumatic
experiences
that
have
found
themselves
in
our
Commonwealth
that
have
been
resettled
here,
not
just
in
Louisville,
not
just
in
Lexington
all
throughout
our
Commonwealth.
We
have
three
resettlement
agencies
that
that
help
that
they
get
Federal
funding
to
to
integrate
these
individuals
into
our
communities.
What
we
are
trying
to
do,
and
with
regards
specifically
to
your
concerns
about
language,
we
are
not
talking
about
modifying
any
of
the
licensure
requirements.
E
We
are
not
saying,
reduce
the
requirements,
eliminate
requirements,
make
it
easier
in
terms
of
reducing
the
potential
safety
and
oversight
that
would
be
required
in
any
of
these
licensed
situations.
What
we
are
saying
is
just
while
you
are
learning
the
language,
make
sure
that
the
language
that
you're
learning
is
tied
into
the
career
path
that
you
probably
already
have
an
education
or
background
experience
with.
So
we
are
looking
at
identifying
careers
or
Workforce
areas
that
we
have
shortages
in
as
a
commonwealth.
E
We
are
then
looking
at
identifying
individuals
that
are
work
authorized
that
are
resettled
in
our
Commonwealth.
That
already
have
some
potential
skills
or
education
or
interest
in
those
chosen
occupations.
And
how
do
we
ease
not
make
it
easy
but
ease
the
pathway
to
them
obtaining
that
professional
licensure,
which
could
be
language?
It
could
be
time
it
could
be
cost
and
I
will
say
this
in
the
context
of
you
get
about
six
months
of
assistance,
if
you're
resettled
here
that's
to
learn
the
language
to
get
a
home.
E
You
usually
are
here
with
your
family
resettlement
agencies
are
not
tasks
or
funded
to
provide
placement
job
placement
in
any
particular
occupation.
So
you'll
find
individuals
that
were
nurses
back
home
that
are
now
working
at
a
meat
processing
plant,
because
within
that,
given
time
frame
of
resettlement,
that's
where
it's
fastest
to
place
a
person
in
that
job.
That
does
not
mean
that
they
are
not
qualified
or
skilled
to
become
a
nurse
and
practice
as
a
nurse
in
our
Commonwealth.
E
If
they
are
allowed
an
opportunity
to
do
the
same
exact
things
to
go
through
the
same
exact
requirements
that
a
native
born
individual
would
do
in
our
state.
There
are
shortages,
and
immigration
has
always
been
used
as
a
supplement
and
a
tool
to
address
shortages
and
gaps
in
our
own
labor
market
in
this
country,
and
that
is
all
we
are
trying
to
do
here-
is
identify
a
pool
of
individuals
that
are
already
living
here
with
their
families
are
already
work
authorized.
A
I
I
think
that
we're
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
recognizing
that
population,
when
I
hear
what's
being
presented
today,
I
hear
more
than
we're
going
to
recognize
this
population
I
hear
that
we're
going
to
try
to
give
this
population
a
job
now,
if
we
can
come
to
a
baseline
understanding
of
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
here
today,
I
think
we'll
be
fine,
but
I.
Don't
think
we've
reached
that
Baseline
as
to
what
we're
talking
about
here
today,
we're
not
just
talking
about
recognizing
a
particular
group.
I
That's
not
what
I've
heard
what
I've
heard
is
we're
going
to
try
to
address
this
particular
group
and
place
them
in
particular
positions.
Those
are
two
different
things.
I
just
I
just
want
to
recognize
and
get
that
on
the
record
here
today.
If
it
was
just
recognizing
a
particular
group,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
I
I
want
the
people
of
the
Commonwealth,
at
least
here
today
to
know
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about,
because
our
charge
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
good
legislators
to
our
citizens
in
this
Commonwealth.
E
Mr
chair
absolutely,
and
just
for
the
record
again,
we
are
not
giving
anybody
jobs.
There
are
shortages
in
our
labor
market
in
different
areas,
and
we
are
not.
We
are
just
recognizing
a
potential
group
that
would
self-select
and
would
be
willing
to
take
the
additional
steps
that
would
be
necessary
for
them
to
overcome
any
barriers
to
get
into
that
occupation.
E
Nobody's
handing
out
jobs
here
there
are
I,
don't
know
that
anybody
would
disagree
with
me
when
I
say
that
there
are
shortages,
so
we
are
not
able
to
fill
all
of
the
jobs
that
are
available
that
are
open
and
so
nobody's
handing
out
jobs
if
you're
not
qualified
for
them
and
we're
not
making
it
we're.
Not
incentivizing
employers
we're
not
making
it
easier
for
anybody
to
get
a
job.
All
we're
doing
is
I
trying
to
recognize
and
identify
a
group
of
people
that
could
potentially
enter
that
Workforce
in
those
areas
that
we
need
them
in.
A
All
right,
we
have
three
more
to
come
and
then
we're
gonna
wrap
this
up
because,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
full
agenda.
Let
me
just
start
by
and
I
appreciate
the
the
back
and
forth
because
it
needs
to
be
clarified,
and
but
you
know
the
last
six
years,
I
believe
co-chair.
A
Circle
and
I
have
worked
very
hard
to
lower
barriers
to
employment
without
sacrificing
safety
of
the
citizens
of
this
Commonwealth,
because
that's
what
we're
here
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
certain
occupations
are
are
properly
licensed
and
that
people
can
work,
but
that
people
are
also
protected
so
striking.
That
balance
is
sometimes
difficult
and
important,
but
you
know
we're
we're
not
interested
in
in
sacrificing
safety,
but
we
also
want
to
see
people
get
to
work
and
be
able
to
live
the
American
dream
so
chair,
Circle
you're
up.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative,
Cole
Carney,
for
bringing
this
forward
and
I
think
many
times.
We
start
talking
about
this
issue.
People
automatically
think
about
the
Southern
Southern
border,
but
I
think
and
I
just
rely
on
my
own
experience
going.
You
know,
Kosovo
Afghanistan,
being
the
military
and
all
the
interpreters
that
we
worked
over
there,
that
were
absolutely
wonderful
people
and
their
families,
and
you
know
it
wasn't
our
first
choice
to
leave
that
country
and
come
over
here,
but
for
their
own
safety
and
for
their
families.
J
You
know
they
had
to
and
they
served
us
well
over
there
and
they've
come
over
here
and
and
then
I've
watched
I
mean
these
were
extremely
amazing
and
talented
people.
I
can
remember
one
in
particular
this
highest
classification
of
translator
that
we
had,
and
you
know
that
was
the
safest
and
most
trustworthy
out.
There
was
a
doctor
and
then
coming
over
here
and
absolutely
having
no
chance
to
be
able
to
continue
that
profession,
so
I'm
absolutely
applaud
what
you're
doing
and
support
it.
So
thank
you
and
finally,
senator.
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
representative.
This
is
could
be
a
great
thing.
I
want
people
that
are
here
and
hopefully
stay
here
to
be
successful
and
I'm
big
on
Workforce
training
and
education,
but
we
need
to
be
cautious
because
I
know
some
that
come
over
and
say
that
they're
this
or
that
and
without
the
credentials
from
where
they
came
from
their
experience
and
their
knowledge,
may
not
be
what
they
say.
I
know
a
fella.
K
That
said
he
was
an
electrician
in
another
country
and
he
couldn't
plug
in
an
extension
cord.
So
we
need
to
be
very
careful
of
that.
Not
only
that
where
they
were
working,
if
they
were
working
in
that
field,
did
it
it
is
up
to
par
to
what
we
expect,
but
that
they
actually
did
it
and
that's
going
to
be
hard
to
do
if
they
come
here
and
I.
Think
that's
the
minority
that
come
here
without
their
credentials
from
the
the
other
country.
So
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
but
be
cautious.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
representative
Thurston.
Thank
you
for
getting
up.
It's
certainly
a
whole
lot
earlier
in
Utah
than
it
is
here.
So
we
appreciate
your
earnestness
and
and
look
forward
to
seeing
this
move
in
whatever
Direction
it
goes
next
year.
Thank
you.
L
Sir
I
am
remote:
okay
from
from
my
office,
Mr.
A
I
am
thank
you
and
we're
gonna
move
to
the
military
installation,
real
estate,
disclosure.
L
A
M
For
the
record,
I'm
state
representative,
Nancy,
Tate
and
I
represent
made
in
Northern
hardwood
counties
and
I
obviously
would
like
to
thank
chairman
Koenig
and
the
members
of
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
speak
regarding
one
of
my
favorite
topics,
which
is
supporting
the
armed
services
and
a
topic
that
is
a
top
priority
for
the
Department
of
Defense
I'd,
also
like
to
thank
the
esteemed
guests
that
have
joined
me
as
general.
Iacocca
will
communicate
in
a
few
minutes.
M
Fort
Knox
is
one
of
Kentucky's
number
one
economic
engines,
second
only
to
UPS,
and
so
so
seldom
does
a
Knox
come
to
us
asking
for
assistance,
but
the
real
estate
disclosure
is
one
of
the
Army's
attempts
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
rarely
as
Knox
able
to
communicate
missions.
Therefore,
I
want
to
be
able
to
be
as
supportive
and
responsive
during
this
very
rare
occasion.
M
L
Yes,
thank
you
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today,
as
stated
I'm,
a
retired
reader,
General
Jamaica,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Knox
Regional
development
Alliance,
also
known
as
krda.
Our
mission
is
to
protect
Fort
Knox
and
ensure
the
community
is
doing
all
it
can
to
support
soldiers,
families
and
to
protect
Fort
Knox
and
the
economic
engine
that
it
is
while
Knox
is
absolutely
critical
to
the
National
Defense.
L
It's
also
very
important
to
the
Kentucky's
economy,
as
Representatives
Tate
stated,
second
largest
employer
in
the
Commonwealth
22
000
employees
at
Fort,
Knox,
1.3
billion
dollars
in
payroll
and
4.8
billion
dollars
in
overall
economic
impact.
So
it's
not
only
the
right
thing
to
to
support
Fort
Knox.
It's
absolutely
critical
to
support
the
economy
of
of
Kentucky
and
acknowledging
that
being
located.
Close
to
a
military
installation
is
the
right
thing
to
do
for
Fort
Knox,
but
also
the
homeowner.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
our
two
guests
in
front
of
us,
if
you
all,
would
introduce
yourselves
and
share
with
us
everything
we
need
to
know
and
nothing
more.
Please.
N
Good
morning,
I'm
Michael
Robinson
I'm,
a
geographic
information
specialist
with
the
Lincoln
Trail
area
development.
District
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
this
opportunity
to
address
this
committee
today
and
appreciate
representative
Tate's
efforts
to
enable
us
to
be
here
today.
I
just
want
to
briefly
provide
some
background
on
our
efforts
regarding
promotion
of
compatible
land
uses
in
the
communities
around
Fort
Knox
I'll
then
defer
to
Mr
Bradford
to
address
the
need
for
the
real
estate
disclosure
tool.
N
In
conjunction
with
these
efforts
in
2019,
the
Lincoln
Trail
ad
in
Fort
Knox
were
approached
by
the
Department
of
Defense
office
of
local
defense,
Community
cooperation
to
investigate
the
possibility
of
updating
the
2008
joint
land
use
study.
There
have
been
many
changes
in
Fort
Knox
since
the
2005
base,
rear
alignment,
enclosure
or
Brack
process
that
included
about
970
million
dollars
of
investment
by
the
Department
of
Defense.
N
Subsequently,
the
ltdad
or
Lincoln
Trail
ad
was
ordered
a
grant
to
do
the
study
or
a
compatible
use
plan
or
a
cup
as
we've
referred
to
it.
This
involved
the
compilation
and
Analysis
of
a
massive
amount
of
data
and
input
from
both
public
and
private
officials
and
meeting
and
surveying
the
public
at
large.
This
not
only
to
understand
what
Fort,
Knox
and
local
communities
impacts
are
to
each
other,
but
also
to
identify
areas
of
concern
that
could
restrict
or
even
prohibit
Fort
Knox.
N
N
Just
a
brief
aside
on
regarding
the
magnitude
of
Fort
Knox,
and
this
touches
on
some
of
the
things
that
General
ikoka
mentioned
in
addition
to
the
22
000
employees.
There
also
is:
there
are
additional
businesses
that
exist
to
support
the
installation
and
the
needs
of
the
surrounding
communities,
subsequent
populations
that
gives
rise
to
an
additional
13
000
jobs
that
are
estimated
by
comparison.
Walmart
has
just
over
30
000
employees
spread
throughout
the
state.
N
The
next
largest
UPS
comes
in
at
about
twenty
five
thousand
and
then
Fort
Knox,
Norton,
Healthcare
and
Ford
Motor
Company
both
have
a
little
over
thirteen
thousand
employees
and
Ford
with
the
blue,
oval
SK
project
is
expected
to
add
an
additional
5
000
under
their
umbrella.
Looking
at
the
concerns
revealed
by
the
cup,
they
run.
The
gamut
examples
are
physical
encroachment,
residential
or
other
non-compatible
land
uses
in
close
proximity
to
the
installation.
N
Noise
due
to
training
activities
of
the
installation,
Spectrum
frequency
conflicts,
both
light
pollution
and
Communications
concerns,
environmental
related
hazards,
natural
hazards,
air
water
quality
issues
of
the
conversion
of
agricultural
lands
to
Residential
Properties
and
the
infrastructure
in
general.
That's
either
aging
or
inadequate
to
support
the
populations.
N
All
these
factors
can
impact
the
military's
missions.
The
compatible
use
plan
also
provided
tools
that
could
be
used
by
Fort
Knox
and
the
surrounding
communities
to
assist
in
alleviating
these
concerns
and
to
mitigate
incompatible
land
uses.
These
included
various
federal
state
and
local
options
that
would
encourage
compatible
uses
in
proximity
to
the
installations.
N
Some
of
our
conservation,
oriented
example
being
the
Commonwealth's
own
purchase
of
agricultural
conservation,
easements
or
the
PACE
program,
or
the
Army's,
compatible
use
buffer
program.
The
a-cub
combined.
Currently,
these
programs
protect
approximately
1500
acres
in
the
area
around
Fort
Knox,
while
still
providing
productive
uses
to
the
landowner.
A
N
N
N
H
O
Committee
Mr
chair,
my
name
is
Mr
Jim
Bradford
I'm,
the
deputy
Commander
here
at
Fort
Knox.
O
So
thank
you
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak
to
to
kind
of
reinforce
what
general
Iacocca
and
representative
Tate
highlighted
our
our
our
focus,
and
our
objective
here
is
to
make
sure
that
Fort
Knox
continues
to
maximize
its
Readiness
in
its
training
capacity,
not
just
for
the
the
the
the
forces
and
the
units
and
organizations
on
Fort,
Knox
and
Fort
Campbell
Kentucky
as
well,
but
our
regional
support
to
the
to
the
Army
and
Department
of
Defense,
as
as
as
a
whole,
fully
acknowledged
that
one
of
our
objectives
and
our
key
aspects
is
toward
that
is
to
be
able
to
work
with
real
estate
agencies
and
organizations,
as
well
as
those
home
buyers
that
are
potentially
procuring
residential
and
commercial
land.
O
That
is
our
objective
that
we're
trying
to
do
at
the
same
time
maintaining
that
Readiness
and
training
capacity
for
Fort
Knox
and
the
army.
Sir.
A
P
Senator
Hal,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
I,
guess
I
can
direct
this
to
Mr
Bradford
I
know
I've
been
involved
some
in
Fort
Campbell
area
with
some
navigation
easements.
Do
you
do
you
have
anything?
Do
you
have
application
easement
issues
around
Fort
Knox
as
well.
O
So
we
do
on
occasion,
get
easement
request
much
like
Fort
Campbell.
We
we
work
those
through
our
real
property
and
real
estate
agreements,
some
of
those
involve
the
U.S
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
Many
of
those
do
not,
but
to
answer
your
particular
question:
while
we
do
receive
them
fairly
frequently,
we
are
not
seeing
any
challenges
or
frictions
with
working
through
the
processes
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Sir.
O
P
O
So
what
I
can
tell
you
is
is
that
we
have
a
process
in
which
we
receive
a
noise
complaints
from
from
residents
and
community
members
around
around
the
area.
We
strive
to
work
with
our
Civic
leaders,
judge,
executive,
Mayors,
things
of
that
nature
around
our
area,
use
our
community
information
offices
during
our
high
water
marks
of
the
year
to
inform
to
inform
the
the
public
one
of
the.
We
don't
think
that
the
compatibility
use
plan
and
our
real
estate
disclosure
per
se
will
prevent
us
from
having
abating
noise.
O
But
clearly
one
of
the
offsets
of
this
will
be
making
sure
that
real
estate,
Sellers
and
home
buyers
understand
what
they
are
purchasing
within
that
buffer
of
Fort
Knox,
with
a
particular
focus
in
the
Northeast
area
along
the
I-65
Corridor,
which
has
historically
been
an
agriculture
or
an
environmental
area.
But
now
is
seeing
a
lot
of
homeowner
movements
into
that
area.
That
is
what's
given
us.
The
most
concern
toward
toward
noise
light
and
the
Spectrum
influences
that
we're
concerned
about
toward
our
readiness.
P
Last
one
no
problem-
yes,
sir
yeah
along
those
lines,
is
that
other
than
other
than
just
from
a
disclosure
standpoint,
is
there
anything
specific
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
or
addressing
as
we
work
through
this
issue?
Is
there
anything
else
you
need
from
us
to
to
help
with
that
issue?
Some
of
those
easements
I
know
around
Fort
Campbell
had
very
little
issue
when
the
area
affected
had
corn
on
it,
but
with
as
houses,
become
more
and
more
prevalent
in
there.
That
then
there's
a
different
level
of
landowner.
O
Yeah,
yes,
sir
I
I
think
we
are
looking
at
it
from
an
environmental
aspect
as
as
well,
but
we
are
not
seeing
anything
at
this
point
that
I
would
propose
beyond
the
disclosure.
Thank.
A
Representative
Tate
had
this
bill.
This
year
we
talked
about
it,
offline
I
had
you
know
several
concerns,
and
so
let
me
take
this
opportunity
to
ask
representative
Tate.
Obviously
you
can
chime
in
or
anyone
else,
who's
who's
here.
What
is
the
definition
in
your
mind
that
the
bill
should
have
for
military
installation.
M
Mike,
if
you'd
like
to,
if
you
or
one
of
the
generals,
would
like
to
do
this
I
know
this
was
how
was
House
of
89
that
was
filed
during
the
2022
regular
session,
and
basically
we
threw
that
out
there
to
make
sure
that
we
had
some
conversation
around
this
bill.
I
think
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion,
and
at
this
point
we
are
in
the
process
of
modifying
that
top
the
topic
and
then
also
the
other
or
the
definition,
as
well
as
the
distances.
M
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
said
I
think
was
a
10
mile
radius
of
military
installation
or
in
the
process
of
discussing
whether
or
not
that
10
mile
radius
is
appropriate.
So
General
Bradford,
if
you'd
like
to
address
this
or
Mike.
N
Just
just
to
clarify
the
the
word:
military
installation
threw
some
people
for
a
loop.
Hence
we've
had
discussions
with
real
estate
officials.
The
the
military
installations
will
be
specifically
defined
as
Fort
Knox
and
Fort
Campbell,
those
two
installations
and
only
those
two
installations.
There
was
some
discussion
about
some
other
areas,
but
it
was
just
those
all.
A
Right
go
ahead:
General
did
you
wanna
chime
in.
L
Well,
I,
just
as
Nancy
said
we're
relooking
things
when
we've
been
working
with
some
some
Realtors
I
I
think
you
know
an
eight
mile
distance
is
one
that
I
think
most
people
can
can
live
with,
and
you
know
from
look
I
can't
speak
for
everybody
from,
but
from
my
perspective,
I'm
really
agnostic
to
how
it
is
documented.
It's
just
important
that
a
homeowner
acknowledges
that
they
are
about
to
buy
a
home
near
the
the
region
that
Mr
Bradford
talked
about
or
any
other
part
of
Fort
Knox.
L
M
Also
is
that
up
to
this
point,
the
Fort
Knox
for
several
years
has
been
quiet,
and
so
the
military
is
actually
looking
at
potential
opportunities
in
the
future.
That
would
in
increase
the
opportunity
for
noise
complaints,
light
pollution
and
general
encroachment
against
the
fence.
A
Other
concerns
I
had
so
and
I'll
just
kind
of
put
them
out
there
for
General
consumption,
so
we
can
hit
some
of
the
other
things
on
the
agenda.
Mr.
Q
Chair
may
I
real,
quick,
brigador,
General
Steve
Bullard
executive
director
of
the
Kentucky
Commission
on
Military
Affairs.
We
just
left
the
Kentucky
Real
Estate
Commission
meeting.
They
just
voted
unanimously
to
have
a
regulatory
solution
up
for
ready
for
vote
by
their
Commission
in
December
to
proceed
forward.
We
answered
all
their
questions.
We
had
a
tremendous
dialogue
very,
very
positive,
so
we're
hoping
that
that
will
be
a
a
an
Avenue
for
us
that.
A
And
that
was
one
of
the
things
I
was
about
to
say
is
that
you
know
I
think
since
we're
narrowing
this
down
to
two
places
that
there
can
be
a
way
of
going
about
it.
That
just
affects
those
two,
because
if
we
put
this
in
statute,
every
single
person
who
sells
a
house
anywhere
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
we'll
have
to
indicate
whether
they
live
within
10
miles
of
one
of
those
two
installations.
A
It
is
a
regionally
specific
issue
that
can
hopefully
be
fixed
in
a
regionally
specific
manner
that
doesn't
require
legislation.
So
I
appreciate
that,
and
and
also
one
more
thing
about,
the
disclosures
I'm,
a
realtor,
so
I
know
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
Everything
on
there
has
to
do
with
specifically
the
condition
of
the
home.
This
would
be
opening
it
up
to
something
new
something
external
to
the
home,
and
that
is,
you
know
not
saying,
is
necessarily
wrong,
but
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
concern.
Senator.
K
Yes,
now
we
all
know
in
Bullitt,
County
and
South
Jefferson
County
that
Fort
Knox
goes
boom
boom
a
lot.
Okay,
I
grew
up
with
the
tanks
and
that
I
don't
necessarily
necessarily
see
a
need
to
lower
property
values
by
having
another
disclosure
with
that
thick.
When
you
go
buy
a
house
to
say
that
Fort
Knox
right
next
to
you,
may
have
to
have
it
used
to
You
Know
It
Knob,
Creek,
Gun
Range,
the
Navy
used
to
go
out
there
and
shoot
their
Naval
guns.
K
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
knew
that,
so
we're
used
to
that
I,
don't
know
that
we
want
to
bring
our
property
values
down
by
bringing
it
out
right
in
front
and
also
was.
Does
this
give
you
all
a
clear
way
to
just
make
sound
without
any
repercussions
to
you
all,
because
well,
people
knew
it.
O
Senator
I'm
going
to
take
a
stab
at
it,
so
so
first
is
I'll.
Answer
the
latter
part
of
your
question.
We
we
absolutely
must
remain
and
will
continue
to
remain,
a
great
partner
for
our
communities,
with
respect
to
training
and
and
notification
and
information
to
our
residents
and
our
community
leaders
around
there.
O
A
M
Thank
you,
Senator
namus
I
just
want
to
reply
to
your
comment
about
the
the
this
potentially
causing
real
estate
to
be,
you
know
to
decrease
in
value.
You
know
this.
This
is
this
is
something
that
We've
looked
at
similar
language
from
Texas,
California
and
Cal
and
Arizona,
and
then
east
of
the
Mississippi
Virginia
and
North
Carolina,
and
there's
no
indication
at
all
that
this
type
of
information
on
the
real
estate
disclosure
is
causing
the
value
of
property
to
decrease.
M
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
actually
being
a
good
neighbor
and
communicating
this
information
to
the
real
estate
owner
prior
to
the
purchase.
So,
therefore,
there
has
been
demonstration
that
when
people
walk
into
it,
they
know
what
they're
walking
into
and
so
therefore
they're
more
satisfied
so
again,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
this
administrative
break
looks
like.
Thank
you
thank.
M
A
Appreciate
it,
while
they
vacate
next
up
we're
going
to
take
Mr,
Underwood
and
his
crew
to
discuss
their
clients
product
while
we're
doing
that,
I
intend
to
have
hopefully
this
meeting
done
by
11
30,
because
there
are
some
members
who
have
leadership.
Elections
at
noon
and
I
want
them
to
be
well
fed
and
have
the
opportunity
to
eat
lunch,
so
they're
so
they're
on
their
game.
So
here's
how
this
one's
gonna
work
we're
going
to.
Let
you
all
make
your
short
and
sweet
pitch
and
we're
gonna.
A
Let
Mr
hellringer
make
his
short
and
sweet
pitch
and
then
Malcolm
who
I
met
earlier,
but
I
can't
read
your
handwriting
for
your
last
name
is
here
to
speak
in
opposition
after
that,
and
we
will
fit
in
questions
as
we
as
we
can
so
Mr
Underwood
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank.
R
You
Mr
chairman,
let
me
say
sorry
to
see
you
go.
We've
enjoyed
working
with
you
on
many
issues
over
the
years
I'm
here,
just
really
by
way
of
introduction
for
our
crew,
which
is
my
client
pacematic
and
just
a
little
background.
Obviously
we
were
working
with
representative
timny.
R
Last
year
there
was
a
bill
to
ban
the
skill
game
industry
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
session,
I
think
a
number
of
you
had
questions
on
the
industry
and,
as
a
result
of
that,
we've
been
working
closely
with
Senator
Hal
and
he's
asked
a
number
of
pointed
questions
on
how
the
industry
Works
how
it
could
be
regulated,
how
it
should
be
regulated
and
as
a
result
of
those
conversations,
we
have
a
piece
of
draft
legislation
and
in
your
packet.
R
You
should
have
a
summary
of
that
and
we
just
wanted
to
come
today
to
reintroduce
ourselves
talk
about
the
industry
and
talk
about
how
we
think
it
should
be
regulated
and
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
chief
administrative
officer,
Frank
Fina.
For
his
brief
remarks.
Thank
you.
S
We're
all
here
today
to
express
our
strong
support
for
the
legal
skill
game
industry
here
in
Kentucky
before
joining
pacematic.
As
the
chief
administrative
officer
I'd
like
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
S
I
was
in
law
enforcement
for
close
to
27
years
and
worked
at
basically
every
level
of
the
investigative
and
prosecutorial
function
of
law
enforcement,
been
a
federal
prosecutor,
State
prosecutor
and
a
local
prosecutor
I
served
for
many
years
as
the
chief
of
criminal
prosecutions
in
the
Pennsylvania
office
of
Attorney
General,
and
there
I
handled
a
lot
of
really
significant
cases
in
Pennsylvania
involving
public
corruption
involving
the
Penn
State
child
sexual
abuse,
Scandal
and
handling
quite
a
bit
of
illegal
gambling
cases,
both
with
the
Attorney
General's
office
and
with
the
special
investigations
unit
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia
pay.
S
Somatic
I've
joined
pay
somatic
and
what
pacematic
does
is
it
powers?
Skill
games,
including
the
burning
Barrel
game
here
in
Kentucky.
We
are
the
leading
software
company
for
legal
skill
games
throughout
the
United
States
I'd
like
to
briefly
introduce
some
of
the
people
I'm
here
with
today
and
who
will
provide
some
additional
brief
comments.
S
We
also,
as
you
know,
have
Jason
Underwood
who
works
here
in
Frankfurt
and
helps
us
on
the
government,
relations
side
and
it'll
be
available
for
questions.
If
you
have
any
pay
somatic
in
addition
to
our
products
here
in
Kentucky,
has
legal
skill
games
currently
operating
in
a
number
of
other
jurisdictions,
including
Texas,
Pennsylvania,
Virginia,
Kansas
and
New
York.
We
also
are
fully
regulated
and
operating
in
Wyoming
and
the
District
of
Columbia.
S
We
have
partnered
in
all
of
those
locations
closely
with
state
and
local
governments
in
Virginia.
If
I
can
give
you
an
example,
in
the
fiscal
year
2020
to
2021,
we
provided
additional
Revenue
to
the
Commonwealth
of
Virginia
in
the
amount
of
close
to
140
million
dollars,
we've
been
doing
that
same
type
of
assistance
in
all
the
jurisdictions
and
where
we
operate
our
business
model
is
a
bit
unique.
S
We
call
it
disruptive,
because
when
we
come
into
states
and
localities,
we
significantly
disrupt
illegal
gambling.
What
we
have
found
in
many
jurisdictions
illegal
electronic
gambling
devices,
despite
the
laws,
are
Rife
and
they
exist
in
the
tens
of
thousands
throughout
many
of
America's
states.
Unfortunately,
I
think
that's
true
here
in
Kentucky
as
well.
S
When
we
enter
a
market,
we
do
so
legally.
Our
skill
game
is
fundamentally
different
from
games
of
chance.
The
player
can
win
100
of
the
time,
whereas
games
of
chance
are
preset
so
that
the
the
owner
of
the
game
determines
how
many
wins
there
can
be.
Those
games
are
illegal
when
we
enter
a
market,
we
displace
those
games
and
we
create
again
Revenue
that
is
not
being
paid
by
illegal
games
for
state
and
local
governments.
S
S
Last
session,
we
received
many
many
questions
regarding
our
business
and
the
legal
skill
game
industry.
This
session,
we're
working
with
Senator,
Howell
and
other
other
legislators
to
introduce
and
hopefully
pass,
legislation
that
will
further
Define,
regulate
and
tax
the
legal
skill
game
industry.
Here
in
Kentucky
this
legislation,
We
Believe,
will
accomplish
some
really
key
goals:
number
one.
It
will
Implement
strict
rules
on
the
skill
game,
Marketplace
number
two:
it
will
act
to
eliminate
illegal
skill,
game
operators
and
distributors
number
three.
S
It
will
provide
the
state
and
the
localities
here
in
Kentucky
with
additional
tax
revenue
number
four.
It
will
grant
certainty
and
comfort
through
sustainable
income
to
Kentucky's
small
businesses
and
fraternal
clubs
who
will
depend
and
who
do
currently
depend
on
this
supplemental
revenue
for
survival.
S
S
S
The
bill
we
proposed
will
require
licensing
of
each
and
every
game
here
in
Kentucky
and
will
set
a
six
percent
tax
rate
on
the
revenue
from
those
gains.
The
bill
will
also
put
strong
enforcement
Provisions
in
place
against
illegal
gambling.
That
will
act
to
eliminate
that
what
currently
exists
here
in
Kentucky
and
funds
that
effort
the
bills
set
forth
clear
definition
of
skill,
so
that
we
have
only
legitimate
skill
games
here
in
Kentucky
and
not
games
of
chance
masquerading
as
skill
games.
S
S
The
bill
will
also
create
Revenue
splits
between
the
state
and
local
governments
here
in
Kentucky,
and
also
will
Define
very
clearly
that
most
of
the
revenue
from
these
games
will
stay
with
the
small
businesses
and
fraternal
clubs.
Here
in
Kentucky,
we
currently
have
about
2400
games
operating
here
in
Kentucky
in
850,
Kentucky,
small
businesses
and
fraternal
clubs.
We
also
have
a
very
strong
compliance
team.
S
S
We
bear
the
cost
of
putting
this
business
into
the
state.
We
don't
ask
for
any
assistance
and
it
is
a
win-win
opportunity
for
both
operators,
locations
and
the
state.
We've
already
invested
millions
of
dollars
in
Kentucky
to
do
this.
Operation
and
I
would
finally
like
to
note
that
we've
been
a
Lifeline
where
we
exist
for
small
businesses
and
fraternal
clubs,
especially
during
covid
many
survived
because
of
our
supplemental
sustainable
income
with
the
coming
decline
in
the
economy.
S
A
T
Two
or
less
all
right
how
about
that?
Thank
you
all
right.
Good
morning
my
name
is
Wes
Jackson
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
about
skills
games
and
how
important
they
are
to
my
employees,
my
family,
and
to
the
overall
success
of
my
business
I'm,
the
owner
of
the
Q
club,
which
is
a
Billiards
and
Sports
Hub
in
Lexington,
we
run
a
family-friendly
place
with
a
great
staff
lines
of
billiard
tables
and
good
food
and
beverages.
T
T
I
turn
around
the
price
of
something
has
gone
up
and
I
need
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
my
budget
without
pricing
customers
out
of
coming
to
the
club,
on
top
of
that,
I'm,
like
every
other
owner
of
an
entertainment
and
service
oriented
business,
trying
to
keep
my
staff
intact
and
find
ways
to
imply
entice
new
employees
to
join
us.
One
of
the
things
that
has
greatly
helped
me
over
the
last
year
has
been
adding
skill
games
to
my
location.
T
These
games
have
become
very
popular
with
my
customers,
just
like
our
Billiards,
our
darts
and
our
shuffleboard.
These
machines
are
games
of
skill
customers
come
in,
they
play
Billiards,
they
play
skill
games
and
during
their
stay
they
buy
food
and
beverage,
and
for
them
it's
just
another
form
of
entertainment
at
a
local
establishment,
and
we
are
very
Vigilant
that
only
adults
play
the
games
and
have
never
had
any
problems
related
to
that.
T
In
my
mind,
this
is
just
another
way
to
help
small
businesses
stay
open
and
isn't
that
at
the
core
of
what
should
be
the
discussion
on
businesses
in
Kentucky,
finding
ways
to
help
us
keep
the
lights
on
and
draw
paying
customers.
We
saw
how
things
could
get
for
small
businesses
during
covet
and
it
was
bad.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
continue
to
help
them
get
back
on
their
feet.
That's
why
I
volunteered
to
become
president
of
the
Kentucky
merchants
and
amusement
Coalition,
the
Kmart
KY
Mac.
T
We
have
over
236
businesses
already
and
it's
growing
every
day.
Our
goal
is
to
support
those
small
businesses
in
Kentucky,
and
that
includes
protecting
legal
services
or
legal
sources
of
income
like
skill
games.
If
the
state
would
ban
skill
games,
it
would
be
a
hardship
for
businesses
across
the
Commonwealth
think
about
the
state
budget
and
how
difficult
it
would
be.
If
a
source
of
added
Revenue
suddenly
disappeared,
you
would
scramble
to
fill
that
hole.
That
is
what
would
happen
for
me
and
others,
and
why
I
asked
for
you
to
please
support
skill
games.
T
U
Good
morning,
committee
members,
my
name
is
Chad
Carmichael,
that's
my
dad.
Jerry
Carmichael
we're
the
owners
of
Carmichael
music
convention,
the
family-run
business
in
Lexington.
My
dad
has
always
been
passionate
about
helping
Kentucky
small
businesses
that
hasn't
changed
since
we
started
a
company
back
in
1982..
We
provide
entertainment
services,
including
pool
tables
dart
boards,
jukeboxes
and
skill
games
to
local
business
and
American
American
Legion
Post,
which
these
devices
provide
entertainment
for
our
patrons.
They
also
create
supplemental
income
for
these
establishments.
It's
no
secret.
U
U
U
As
you
all
know,
the
American
Legion
Post
in
VFW
Halls
offer
veterans
a
place
of
community
where
they
can
go
socialize
with
the
peers
that
understands
your
unique
life
experiences.
We
must
protect
these
spaces
it's
the
least
we
can
do
for
those
who
served
our
country.
We
ask
that
you
keep
these
legal
games.
Skill
games
operated
in
Kentucky
for
the
sake
of
small
businesses
for
the
sake
of
fraternal
organizations.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
for
your
brevity
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
all
to
get
up
if
you
would
and
let
Mr
hellringer
come
on
down
and
make
his
brief
pitch.
V
A
Then
we
will
have
our
guest
speaker,
Malcolm
come
on
up
and
then
I've
got
five.
A
V
Of
the
committee
Bob
hellringer
for
the
record,
I
have
John
Sunner
with
me
here.
The
name
tag
says
and
Howard
Greer
Howard
is
our
new
compliance
officer.
John
I
think,
is
a
vice
president
of
prominent
Technologies.
If
not,
he
should
be
he's
very
good
at
what
he
does.
V
I
represent
prominent
Technologies
and
I
will
be
brief.
I
know
that
your
strikes
fear
in
your
heart
when
you
hear
witness
say
that
an
hour
and
a
half
later
they're
still
talking,
but
it
is
my
pleasure
to
represent
prominent
Technologies
I've,
been
here
before
before
this
committee.
V
Our
skill
games
are
not
gray
games
they're
perfectly
legal
under
the
current
definition
of
Kentucky
law,
and
actually
the
color
of
our
skull
games
is
purple
just
for
the
record.
We're
in
60
counties
I
think
we're
in
at
least
one
County
of
every
one
of
your
districts,
except
for
representative
Flannery
and
I've,
been
assured
by
the
end
of
this
committee
meeting
we're
going
to
be
located
somewhere
in
Carter
County
in
Lawrence
County,
so
we're
coming
anyway
we're
great
corporate
citizens.
V
Prominent
Technologies
has
been
a
generous
donor
to
the
Western
Kentucky
tornado
Relief
Fund,
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flood
Relief
Fund,
we're
heavily
invested
in
the
counties
where
we're
located
we're
active
in
Civic
and
charitable
efforts
in
those
counties.
Our
games
are
very
popular
and
our
establishments
with
your
constituents
that
play
the
games,
your
constituents
that
own
businesses,
that
is
helping
their
bottom
line,
so
they
can
pay
their
their
income
taxes
and
and
business
taxes
to
the
Commonwealth.
All
that
being
said,
it's
obvious
that
we
need
regulation.
V
We
need
licensure,
we
need
to
be
taxed
not
too
many.
Businesses
have
come
here
and
said
that
usually
they've
run
in
the
other
direction,
but
we're
willing
to
say
that
we
need
that.
We
have
also
working
on
a
bill
that
you
saw
it
actually
in
this
committee,
when
we
were
discussing
House
Bill
608,
we
had
a
committee
substitute
for
that
bill
and
the
bill
we've
been
working
on
will
closely
mirror
that.
That
being
said,
we
don't
need
two
bills,
we're
optimistic
to
that.
V
We're
going
to
be
working
with
our
competitors,
we're
going
to
be
working
with
lrc
we're
going
to
be
working
with
House
and
Senate
leadership
to
get
a
bill
before
you
in
the
next
session.
That
will
be
a
win-win
for
everybody.
It'll
be
a
win
for
the
taxpayers,
it'll,
be
a
win
for
your
businesses
and
your
constituents
and
help
improve
our
bottom
line.
So
our
people
are
very
anxious
that
that
that
happen.
We
hope
that
can
happen
in
the
next
session
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
everyone
to
get
that
accomplished.
Thank.
A
A
C
Good
morning,
Malcolm
Cherry
from
Bowling
Green
Commander
American
Legion,
member
of
the
VFW
member
of
the
AmVets
member
of
the
Marine
Corps
League,
we're
here
to
talk
against
the
skilled
games
as
they're
called
we're.
We're
we're
not
a
big
organization,
but
we
have,
over
the
past
three
to
four
years,
contributed
over
two
million
dollars
back
to
our
community.
C
Our
whole
setup
is
to
take
care
of
our
veterans
and
to
put
the
money
back
into
the
community,
there's
not
a
church
or
a
Civic
organization
in
Bowling
Green
that
we
have
not
already
furnished
money
to
including
the
fop
which
was
mentioned
up
here
several
times.
These
games
are
supposed
to
make
a
little
money
for
the
fop
and
that's
probably,
why
they're
backing
it.
C
But
well
you
know
we
this
year,
we've
already
been
requested,
and
for
the
last
20
years
we
have
furnished
all
the
food
and
turkeys
for
the
Thanksgiving
and
the
Christmas
dinners
through
the
fop
distribution
in
our
town.
C
So
we
we
do
not
try
to
keep
any
of
the
money
we
put
it
back
into
the
community.
That's
what
we're
supposed
to
do
as
veterans
organizations.
We
brought
all
four
of
our
veterans
organizations
together,
Under
One
Roof
at
the
American
Legion,
so
that
we're
not
going
in
different
directions
and
we're
all
pulling
together
and
and
doing.
What's
right.
The
tornado
has
been
mentioned
up
here
many
times
about
the
Bowling
Green.
C
Well,
those
four
organizations
brought
in
service
distributed
warehouse
and
packed
out
28
tractor-trailer
loads
of
goods
that
were
sent
into
Bowling
Green
on
the
tornado,
and
it
was
we
worked
with
FEMA
and
we
worked
with
our
County
government
and
we
got
things
done
and
then
the
flood
Eastern
Kentucky
flood
has
been
mentioned.
Just
three.
Four
weeks
ago
we
packed
up
a
tractor-trailer
low,
28
000
in
value
and
sent
it
to
the
the
mountains.
We
call
it
to
be
distributed
over
there
and
we're
still
sending
stuff
over.
C
We
sent
six
pallet
loads
of
toys
over
from
a
request
from
a
VFW
over
there
and
we
their
Library
one
of
the
libraries
got
flooded.
Where
we
put
on
a
book
drive,
we
have
made,
we
are
getting
books
ready
right
now
to
ship
a
whole
truckload
over
if
we
can
to
get
to
their
library
to
get
them
back
under
use.
We're
we're
talking
about
the
skilled
games.
I
have
personally
observed
children
under
18
years
old
playing
these
games.
C
I
I
personally
know
that
we
pay
our
excise
tax
and
our
federal
tax.
It
don't
sound
like
much.
We
pay
one
percent
excise
tax
and
a
0.00628
tax
to
Kentucky
Federal
and
a
federal
government
tax
that
doesn't
sound
like
very
much
money.
One
quarter
about
three
quarters
ago
we
paid
in
Sixty
thousand
dollars
from
our
legal
gaming
and
everything
we
also
have
to
make
a
morning
daily
report
of
every
penny
we
take
in
and
every
penny
we
put
out
here
for
the
state
of
Kentucky.
C
If
we
forget
to
cross
a
t
and
ever
forget
the
DOTA
I
State
gaming
turns
their
legal
department
loose
on
us
and
then
we
have
to
go
and
talk
to
them
appeal
and
do
everything
we've
never
lost
just
because
we
made
a
little
error
mistake
on
our
reporting
daily
reporting,
but
we
we,
we
run
a
real
good
organization
and
we
do
it
legally
with
the
legal
gaming
machines
that
are
out
there.
These
other
machines
referred
to
as
not
gray
machines
or
they're
purple.
C
A
A
A
W
W
W
W
W
Illegally,
with
no
explicit
statute
that
supports
their
business
model
and
then
we're
going
to
legalize
them,
it'd
be
a
terrible
precedent
and
then
some
people
say
to
me.
Well
what
about
HHR?
Well
I
will
remind
you
that
HHR
historical
horse
racing,
which
has
now
been
officially
legalized
as
paramutual,
started
out
with
multiple
favorable
court
cases
and
a
tax
rate
set
by
the
general
assembly
in
the
2014
revenue
bill.
W
It
wasn't
until
the
Supreme
Court
reversed
its
original
decision
that
then
required
the
general
assembly
to
act,
but
it
had
been
operating
legally
for
10
years
under
first
and
attorney
general's
opinion.
That
said,
yes,
it's
paramutual
wagering,
if
regulated
by
the
racing
commission,
it
was
legalized
by
a
court
decision.
W
W
The
Marine
veteran
from
the
charitable
gaming
organization
down
in
Bowling
Green
was
absolutely
right.
W
X
Jim,
excuse
me:
I
have
a
cup.
I
was
a
one
long
question
and
actually
Marine
veteran
did
actually
hit
hit
on
this.
Do
our
retailers
understand
the
burden
that
we
replaced
on
them
directly,
such
as
they
will
have
to
obtain
a
state
license?
They
will
have
to
be
inspected.
They
will
have
a
reporting
requirement.
Tax
obligations
bear
responsibility
to
assume
no
minors
in
games.
X
S
They
they
are,
there
will
be
a
hundred
percent
compliance
with
all
of
those
as
we
have
wherever
we
operate.
That's.
S
X
Y
Y
Thank
you,
I've
organized
many
fundraising.
Events
for
Charities
health
organizations-
schools,
you
name
it
I-
have
I
would
like
to
tour
the
Mr
Carmichael's
facility
and
Mr
Jackson's
facility.
If
you
will
give
me
your
locations
and
Mr
Fina
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Please.
S
S
Representative,
we
are
currently
operating
in
a
number
of
vfws
and
and
other
fraternal
clubs
who
are
charitable
organizations.
So,
yes,.
S
I'm
afraid
representative
I
I,
respectfully
disagree
I,
don't
see
any
Avenue
in
which
they
would
lose
their
charitable
status
by
operating
legal
skill
games,
I'd
like
to
if
I,
if
I
may
expand
on
that
a
little
bit.
S
This
notion
that
we
have
somehow
surreptitiously
entered
this
Market
could
not
be
candidly
more
inaccurate.
We
sought
a
legal
opinion
from
what
I
think
is
one
of
the
Premier
law
firms
here
in
Kentucky,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we
disclosed
to
the
Attorney
General
of
Kentucky
exactly
what
our
intentions
would
be.
We
have
met
with
in
every
County
in
which
we
operate,
we
have
before
opening
or
putting
any
burning
Barrel
game
in
there
we
have
met
with
the
Commonwealth
Attorney
and
with
the
local
law
enforcement
agencies,
where
that
game
will
be
disclose.
A
Z
I
think
everybody
knows
where
I,
where
I
stand
with
this
I
had
a
couple
questions
just
because
I
think
that
we
are
all
in
agreement
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing
and
I
think
the
tone
today
is
that,
while
the
argument
that
you
all
gave
was
very
strong
in
regards
to
a
disruptive
industry,.
Z
S
We
no
no
Kentucky
judge
has
yet
weighed
in
on
that.
Okay.
Z
So
we
don't
know
that,
yet
we
don't
know
that
they're
games
of
skill
we're
just
telling
everyone
that
they
are
representative.
Thank
you
hold
on
we're
telling
people
that
they
are
we're
coming
to
this
committee
and
repeating
it
games
of
scale
games
of
skill.
Mr
Ho
ringer
was
the
only
one
who
even
brought
up
the
word
Gray.
Z
S
With
we're
not
gray
machines
representative,
so
if
you're
talking
about
illegal
machines,
I
have
no
idea
there
are,
there
are
great
many
illegal
games
of
chance
operating
in
Kentucky,
I
would
dare
say
between
20
and
30.
000
of
these
have
been
operating
perhaps
for
decades,
so
whatever
income
they
are
producing
and
not
paying,
taxes
on
I
have
no
idea.
We
pay
all
of
our
applicable
taxes.
Okay,.
Z
Can
get
that
to
you
and
see
that's
incredibly
problematic
for
a
group
that's
supposed
to
be
so
forthright
and
and
looking
to
benefit
the
Commonwealth,
that's
incredibly
problematic
for
anybody
sitting
in
this
room,
saying
that
you
guys
are
going
to
do
what
you
say:
you're
going
to
do
and
as
Senator
Thayer
represent
so
eloquently
described
a
disruptive
model.
This
is
not
a
model,
this
is
chaos,
and
this
is
not
how
we
do
business
in
Kentucky.
Z
I'm
glad
that
you
mentioned
that
there
was
a
member
of
of
the
general
assembly
that
was
working
on
it
because
other
than
that,
it's
like
this
is
this
is
a
Christmas
wish
list
is
what
this
is
and
we
have
charitable
gaming
organizations
that
are
closing
they're
losing
their
licenses
every
day.
I
helped
this
I
I
brought
I
proposed
legislation
so
that
charitable
gaming
could
keep
their
doors
open.
Our
Charities,
our
vfws,
our
bingo
parlors,
our
school
booster
clubs.
Everything
are
closing
and
they're
directly
giving
back
to
charity
and
they're
closing
because
of
these
representative.
Z
A
Past
11
30
that
I
wanted
to
finish
out.
We
got
two
more
items
that
we
need
to
hit
and
I've
got
five
more
people
that
want
to
speak
right
now
and
we're
going
to
recognize
our
retiring
members.
So,
if
I'm
not
going
to
shut
anybody
off,
but
if
your
question
can't
be
off,
you
got
to
ask
it
right
now,
or
can
it
be
offline
or
when
this
these
issues
come
up
in
the
regular
session
next
year?
If
they
do
so
representative
Flannery.
AA
A
challenge
very
quickly,
I
would
like
to
correct
the
record
the
these
machines,
whether
you
want
to
call
them
skill,
games
or
gray
machines.
They
are
in
my
district
and
five
dollars
into
playing
them.
I
learned,
probably
didn't
have
as
much
skill
as
I
thought.
I
did.
But
that
being
said,
one
thing
that
has
struck
really
got
my
attention
on.
AA
This
is
posted
on
the
machines
at
states
that
you
cannot
be
under
21
and
play
and
I'm
just
curious
why
that
would
be
posted
if
these
are
games
of
skill,
why?
Why
would
an
18
year
old
not
be
allowed
to
play
these
games
for
the
company's
policy.
S
Representative,
we've
just
made
a
policy
decision
that
we
don't
want
people
under
underage
playing.
These
games
I
understand
your
perspective
on
that
and
we've
dealt
with
that
in
a
great
many
jurisdictions,
but
it
just
it's
just
a
policy
decision
that
we've
made
and
and
that's
shared
with
us
frankly
by
a
lot
of
locations
and
fraternal
clubs
that
they
would
just
prefer
not
to
have
kids
playing
these
games.
And
so
that's
that's
been
our
policy
nationally
and
and
we're
rather
striking
about
it.
J
Yes,
sir,
real
quick,
Virginia
legislature
banned
these
again
this
past
session,
so
you're
operating
illegally
in
Virginia
but
past
that
paramutuals
one
of
my
favorite
words
learned.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
paramutual
last
couple
years
and
what
the
among
friends?
What's
the
payout
on
your
machines.
J
What's
the
and
what's
the
what
percentage
of
that,
what
percentage
of
your
gambling
goes
back
to
you
know
when
everybody
in
horse
racing,
we
know
I,
think
it's
91.
What's
the
percentage
of
money
that's
put
in
that
machine
goes
back
among
the
players.
S
P
Howell,
oh
yeah,
just
a
quick
comment:
yes,
I
appreciate
you
coming
in
and
doing
this,
it's
kind
of
ironic,
Mr
Underwood
said
I
had
some
pointed
questions
when
I
haven't
cross-examined
people
as
hard
as
I
have
on
some
of
this,
but
I
appreciate
all
the
time
that
they've
spent
answering
my
questions.
Just
like
I
appreciated
Miss
harvel's
time
in
answering
all
my
questions
about
the
lottery,
it
was
my
goal
to
get
all
this
information
out.
There
I
think
this
has
been
really
productive.
P
AB
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
I,
guess
I'm
going
to
have
to
be
the
contrarian
today,
which
is
budget
chairman
is
always
My.
Prerogative
and
I.
I
find
it
somewhat
ironic
that
we're
here
debating
this
in
this
manner,
knowing
that
a
lot
of
these
same
arguments
were
made
on
the
flip
side
of
historical
horse
racing
when
it
first
came
about,
and
it
wound
its
way
through
its
courts
and
it
found
its
way
into
the
general
assembly
and
we
Define
redefined
the
word
paramutual
to
make
it
work
because
it
was.
AB
It
was
a
mechanism
to
support
a
signature
industry
and
that's
a
very
large
industry,
right,
Gaming's,
a
large
industry,
and
if
we
want
to
act
like
we
don't
bet
in
this
state,
let's,
let's
just
forgive
the
charade,
but
we
bet
at
HHR.
We
bet
on
horses.
We
bet
on
all
kinds
of
things:
okay,
we
might
not
pass
the
sports
books
online,
Sports,
wagering
thing
that
everybody
wants
Mr
chairman.
Y
AB
Regrettably,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
these
folks
are
just
on
the
flip
side
of
an
argument
that
had
been
made,
and
this
General
Assembly
chose
to
redefine
a
word.
The
problem
is
they're
small
business
and
a
lot
of
these
folks
have
models.
They've
come
to
be
built
around
this
and
so
I
just
caution
everybody
before
we
want
to
light
the
world
on
fire
about
this.
AB
Let's
take
a
historical
perspective.
Let's
take
a
360
degree,
look
at
what
we've
got
going
on
here
and
let's
try
to
start
putting
some
issues
to
bed,
because
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
sit
around
and
near
you
what's
going
to
happen
here.
Is
you
guys
are
either
going
to
get
something
passed
or
you're
going
to
get
shut
down
about?
Has
anybody
filed
charges
against
any
of
your
operations
in
these
jurisdictions?
As
of
yet.
AB
Police
and
you're
in
better
than
half
the
counties
in
the
Commonwealth
correct,
yes,
okay,
so
I
mean
there's
more
than
a
few
law
enforcement
jurisdictions
charged
with
this.
At
this
point
and
I
find
it
troubling
that
we,
you
know,
we've
got
to
write
the
fuss,
that's
kind
of
what
we
do
as
members
of
the
general
assembly,
but
maybe
we
ought
to
take
a
step
back
and
take
a
harder
look
at
this
and
realize
who
what
businesses
were
after
before
we
get
too
far
down
the
line.
Thank
you
Mr
chairman.
W
S
Not
in
Pennsylvania
because
I
have
not
asked
for
it
back
but
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
out
because
I'd
love
to
talk
about
that.
S
A
A
S
A
A
Out
of
time,
sorry,
well,
you
there
will
be
plenty
of
more
opportunities.
If
you
have
more
input,
send
it
on.
We
will
forward
it
to
the
members
and
and
I'm
sure
they'll
be
more
exhaustive
hearings
come
session
time
largely
this
is
to
pass
a
role
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
heard
in
the
interim
and-
and
we
went
well
past
that
so
thank.
A
This
is
the
lightning
round.
AC
AC
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
We
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
and
issue
that
has
recently
developed,
though
in
background
it'll
sound,
maybe
more
dated
in
2017
Congress
passed
the
over-the-counter
hearing,
aid
act
and
just
recently
in
October
the
FDA
finalized
the
rules
for
the
over-the-counter
hearing
aid
act,
which
creates
a
new
class
of
hearing
aids
that
are
direct
to
Consumer,
requiring
no
professional
intervention.
AC
However,
in
creating
that
rule,
the
FDA
also
had
to
redefine
the
existing
class
of
hearing
aids
as
what
they
chose
to
call
Prescription
hearing
aids.
As
a
result,
our
organizations
have
identified
some
statutes
that
will
need
to
be
updated
as
a
result
to
conform.
What
that
new
title,
as
well
as
to
bring
otcs
into
the
fold
here
in
Kentucky,
so
we
are
working
on
legislation.
We've
also
consulted
with
the
licensure
boards,
who
are
have
formed
a
committee
to
look
at
the
regulations
that
will
need
to
be
updated
as
well,
but
per
the
Chairman's
earlier
comment.
AC
AD
Know
I'll
just
add
that
our
associations
have
been
together
on
this
and
we
don't
anticipate
there
being
any
I
guess
conflicts
over
this
issue.
We'll
have
to
wait
till
the
language
is
out.
Obviously
it
will
not
affect
the
over-the-counter
sales
at
all.
A
J
Hey
good
morning,
representative
cook,
representing
the
72nd
district
with
me
today,
I
have
Chauncey
Morris
of
the
kta.
If
you
have
livestock
you're,
always
trying
to
improve
your
breed.
J
That
up,
we,
if
you
have
livestock,
you're,
always
trying
to
improve
your
breed,
and
although
we're
we
are
Kentucky
proud
of
our
con
of
our
Kentucky
bread
product,
we
have
a
way
to
make
it
better
and
improve
on
Turf
racing
in
Kentucky,
Chauncey.
J
AE
It
has
been
an
honor,
sir,
very
quickly,
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
three
slides
and
we
have
an
issue
right
now
where
things
are
going
so
well
in
Kentucky
because
of
the
actions
of
the
general
assembly,
no
question
that
have
turned
it
into
the
the
most
exciting
year-round
racing
circuit,
but
we
have
a
couple
of
soft
spots.
One
of
those
is
interfacing.
We've
made
such
an
investment
in
our
facilities
to
have
more
Turf
racing,
but
unfortunately
we're
not
breeding
enough
winners.
AE
So
this
is
a
national
performance
on
grade
one
Turf
winners:
this
isn't
it
not
advancing.
AE
Yep,
this
is
an
issue
that
we
saw
not
only
Kentucky
Downs
and
the
graded
Stakes,
but
also
past
two
weekends
ago,
at
the
Breeders
Cup
World
Championships,
that
our
our
turf
races,
our
turf
sires,
aren't
doing
well
we'd
like
to
at
some
point,
come
and
and
visit
on
some
of
the
definitions
that
are
in
krs-230.405a,
maybe
to
open
that
up,
which
in
44
years
that
has
never
happened.
It's
been
a
Cyrus
program,
but
last
year,
obviously
the
claiming
part
was
opened
up.
AE
A
Think
that
passes
the
the
muster
Mr
chairman
correct
for
being
heard
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Adam
appreciate
it
finally
I'm
going
to
pass
things
over
to
my
co-chair
and
we're
going
to
honor
retiring
members.
Thank.
AF
You
Mr
chairman
and
I,
really
regret
that
nobody's
here,
because
this
is
something
really
important:
we're
going
to
honor
some
really
special
people
and
then,
during
the
next
few
moments
and
I'd
like
to
request
a
moment
of
personal
privilege.
AF
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
going
to
honor
two
people
and
then
our
my
co-chair
will
honor
the
the
rest
of
them,
but
and
as
I
was
thinking
about
the
two
people
I'm
going
to
talk
about
Mr,
chairman
they're,
very
much
alike
in
many
many
ways,
and
there
are
two
people-
I
really
admire
for
some
traits
that
they
have,
and
one
of
them
is
senator
Paul,
Hornback
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
him.
First
he's
not
here.
AF
Obviously,
today
and
I
can
assure
you
he's
not
watching,
because
this
this
job
did
not
Define
Paul
Hornback,
but
Paul
Hornback
was
a
guy
who,
like
our
chairman,
who
I'm
going
to
talk
about
in
just
a
minute
who
was
a
no-nonsense,
straightforward
guy.
You
could
go
to
talk
to
and
when
you
dealt
with
him
on
issues,
you
saved
a
lot
of
time
because
you
knew
exactly
where
he
stood.
If
he
agreed
with
you,
he
was
with
you
in
the
Foxhole.
AF
AF
AF
The
next
person
is
my
co-chair
Adam
Koenig
Adam.
This
is
his
last
meeting
that
he's
chairing
and
he
serves
one
can't
well.
Actually
he
represents
the
same
county
I
do
part
of
it
in
another
County
and
he's
just
like
Paul
Hornback,
in
that
he
is
a
no-nonsense
guy
I'm.
Looking
at
this,
his
citation
is
right
here
in
front
of
me
and
has
all
these
Awards
listed
Chamber
of
Commerce
Kentucky
distillers
Association
on
and
on
on
all
the
work
all
the
awards.
AF
She
has
done
all
the
fights
that
he
has
fought
over
federal
government
overreach
and
on
and
on
and
on-
and
you
know
sometimes
when
you're
in
public
service
and
you're
in
public
service
to
the
right
reason
and
I
can
assure
you
Adam
was
in
public
service
for
the
right
reason.
You
don't
always
win
an
election.
You
know
I,
think
about
Winston
Churchill,
the
greatest
man
of
the
20th
of
the
20th
century
saved,
save
saved
the
world.
AF
AF
He
shows
up
every
day
and
number
three
he's
no
nonsense
and
looks
out
for
constituents
and
does
what
he
thinks
is
right
and
I
really
admire
that
Adam
we're
going
to
miss
you,
I've
enjoyed
being
your
co-chair
and
and
working
with
you
on
this
committee,
I'm
not
going
to
read
this
Senate
resolution
or
house
resolution,
but
know
that
we
love
you
and
we
wish
you
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I'm
going
to
thank
you
very
much
for
those
very
kind
kind
comments
and
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
retiring
members.
We
have
citations
for
all
of
them
and
I
am
going
to
start
with
the
dean
of
the
house.
A
It's
been
my
honor
and
pleasure
to
get
to
know
representative
Burch
and
you
know
I'm
I'm,
proud
of
a
lot
of
things
in
my
my
16
years
here,
but
I
I'll
always
be
able
to
tell
people
I
served
with
the
longest
serving
member
of
the
House
of
Representatives
30
years,
I
believe
as
chairman
of
what
was
then
Health
and
Welfare,
which
is
there's
a
special
place
in
heaven
for
serving
on
that
committee
at
all,
much
less
chariot
and
I'm
glad
you've
I've
got
Sir
with
you
on
this
committee
representative,
and
we
appreciate
your
service
to
this
committee,
this
Commonwealth
in
this
house.
A
Kim
can
can
I
get
all
this
out,
so
others
can
leave
so
leadership
get
off
my
back
then
that
I
mean
we
can
talk
on
these
microphones.
Afterwards,
all
we
want
so
all
right,
I'm
going
to
go
to
representative
Westrom
next
24
years,
I
believe,
and
it
was
pointed
out,
Tuesday
night
that
I
mean
I,
believe
you've
been
on
this
committee,
most
of
your
time
or
all
of
it
and
I.
Remember
I.
A
Remember
voting
on
The
Tasting
bill
that
you
ran
in
in
2008
and
that
kind
of
I
think
put
a
lot
of
the
wheels
in
motion
for
modernizing
our
alcohol
laws
in
this
state.
A
So
you
are
a
forerunner
in
that
regard,
and
many
other
areas
I
believe
you've
served
on
Health
and
Welfare
also,
which
obviously
is,
is
a
is
a
demanding
committee,
but
I'm
glad
that
you
I
got
to
serve
with
you
for
16
years
and
I
appreciate
you
being
such
a
great
voice
on
this
committee
and
all
the
work
you've
done
in
the
House
of
Representatives.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service.
A
A
We've
we've
had
a
lot
of
fun
together.
You've
been
I
mean
one
term
here
and
then
rise
to
chairman
of
Judiciary
is
not
an
easy
feat.
A
You've
run
more
bills
per
capita
than
anybody
ever
and
passed
a
lot
of
them
you're.
It
was.
It
was
brief,
but
it
was
fruitful
and
I
appreciate
you
being
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
I
will
see
you
around
Northern
Kentucky,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
service
to
this
committee
and
this
Commonwealth.
A
Representative
Miller
10
years
eight
years
feels
like
feels
like
10..
Well,
we
saw
him
I
think
a
little
bit
and
that
Fletcher
Administration
around
town,
and
so
that
might
be
part
of
it.
But
yes,
between
Louisville
city
government,
16
years
time
in
the
administration.
A
A
And
lastly,
two
members
who
aren't
here
representative
McCoy,
who
has
done
so
much
on
this
committee,
especially
with
regards
to
our
bourbon
industry,
a
member
of
leadership
and
has
done
a
phenomenal
job.
There
and
I
was
getting
emotional
because,
even
though
he's
not
here.
A
South
santor
is
one
of
my
best
friends
he's
done
great
work.
Northern
Kentucky
is
greatly
in
his
debt
for
doing
more
for
the
roads
in
Northern
Kentucky,
then
we've
probably
ever
had
done
and
I'm
sure
he's
in
Florida,
not
even
thinking
about
us
right
now,
but
I'm.
So.