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A
I
said:
no,
we
do
have
a
coral.
If
you
would
please
stand
with
me
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
remain
standing
and
representative
Wesley
will
do
our
invocation.
D
Let
us
pray
gracious,
Heavenly
Father.
We
just
thank
you
today,
God
for
your
goodness
and
mercy
that
you've
shown
Upon,
Us,
Lord
and
God.
We
ask
you
Lord
just
give
us
wisdom,
knowledge
and
understanding
to
direct
this
committee
Lord
in
the
decisions
we
need
to
make
for
the
best
of
the
Commonwealth
I.
Think
for
our
leadership
of
Senator,
Meredith
and
representative
Thomas
Lord
I.
Ask
you
to
let
your
hand
be
upon
them
and
lead
them
and
guide
them
for
the
best
of
our
military
and
our
veterans
and
public
protectors
and
I.
Thank
you
and
I.
A
A
A
But
honestly,
we've
got
a
a
dearth
of
representation
from
the
Senate
this
morning,
but
nevertheless,
I
want
to
recognize
Senator,
Kerr
and
Center
Schroeder
and
Center
parrot
for
their
contributions
to
this
committee
and
to
our
legislature
and
want
to
watch
them
wishing
the
best
going
forward
and
on
the
house
side.
I
will
turn
the
gavel
over
to
representative
Thomas
coach
here.
Thomas.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
appreciate
it.
We
do
actually
have
three
out
of
four
of
our
retiring
guests
there,
and
one
will
be
here
well.
I
say
that
but
he'll
be
here
at
10
30..
He
said
he
got
hung
up
in
traffic,
so
maybe
at
the
very
end,
I
can
recognize
him
again
or
so,
but
we
do
have
a
couple
ones
leaving
we
have
Ed
Massey
representative
Ed
Mass,
see
we're
sorry
you're
leaving
you've
been
a
big
big
help
here
and-
and
we
appreciate
everything
would
you
like
to
say
say
a
few
things
or.
E
I
won't
be
gone
for
long
and
and
I'll
be
around
in
some
capacity,
so
I
will
see
all
of
you
somewhere
one
way
or
the
other.
C
Great
and
then
representative
Minter
Patty,
Mentor
she's
been
with
us
since
19.
I
think
you
and
Ed
came
in
the
same
same
time
and
and
I
think
you
might
be
taking
that
same
same
hyena
there.
So
would
you
like
to
say
anything.
F
Oh
thank
you,
chair
Thomas,
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
I'd
like
to
express
how
much
I've
enjoyed
serving
with
all
of
you,
not
just
in
this
body,
but
in
the
vmap
committee
in
particular,
and
I'm
very
happy
that
I
have
been
able
to
see
to
groundbreaking
the
Bowling
Green
Veterans
Center.
So
again,
this
is
a
good
example
of
watching
policy
come
to
life
and
soon
we'll
be
doing
a
rip
cutting.
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
your
support
of
that
project
and
I'll
certainly
be
around.
C
We
have
two
other
members
that
are
not
with
us
this
morning.
Buddy
Wheatley
came
in
with
that
same
group
in
2019,
he's
going
to
be
missed,
he's
been
a
big
advocate
for
veterans
and
and
the
fire,
firefighters,
obviously
so
we're
sure
going
to
miss
buddy
and
then
Jim
duplicy
he's
been
around
since
2015
and
I
think
he
he
texted
me
he's
stuck
in
traffic,
so
he'll
be
here
a
little
later
on,
so
maybe
we
can
give
him
a
sec
there.
So
I'll
defer
back
to
you
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
thanks
everyone
for
their
service
and
I.
Guess
that's
a
little
premature
in
my
remarks
regarding
my
Senate
colleagues
and
I
should
have
known,
sent
a
curve
wanted
to
make
an
an
entrance,
and
the
senator
Kerr
I
wanted
to
recognize
your
service
on
this
community.
Our
legislature
over
the
years
and
you've
got
a
long
story
career
when
I'm
sure,
you're,
proud
of,
and
we're
certainly
proud
of.
G
G
That's
almost
a
quarter
of
a
century
and
I
have
been
I
have
loved
every
day
of
this
now
I
haven't
liked
every
day,
but
I
have
loved
the
opportunity,
and
it
has
been
such
a
blessing
for
me
to
know
so
many
people,
you
know
it
doesn't
matter
what
side
of
the
aisle
we
are
on
or
what
how
we
differ
with
our
own
party
on
certain
issues.
G
A
H
Yeah,
yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
mention
today
following
the
prayer
and
with
this
recognition,
I
felt
like
it
was
appropriate.
As
many
of
you
know,
we
had
a
a
fatal
shooting
involving
three
of
our
officers
in
a
K-9
in
Floyd
County
over
the
summer,
and
just
this
week
one
of
our
young
officers,
Officer
Lawson,
has
had
to
have
his
leg
amputated
from
below
the
knee.
H
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
wanted
to
briefly
bring
everybody
up
to
date.
Most
of
you
are
aware
of
Monday
and
my
County.
We
had
a
tragic
school
bus
accident,
18
children
on
board,
plus
the
bus
driver.
Most
all
of
those
children
have
that
have
been
to
the
hospital,
have
been
released
and
sent
home,
but
we
do
still
have
five
or
six
that
are
dealing
with
some
very
severe
injuries.
I
Some
of
them
will
be
lifelong
injuries
that
they're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
one
child
is
still
on
a
ventilator,
and
a
couple
of
them
are
still
touch
and
go
at
this
point
and
including
the
bus
driver
who
herself
who
was
thrown
from
the
bus
and
penned
under
the
bus
when
it
come
to
final
rest
at
the
bottom
of
the
embankment
I.
We
appreciate
all
the
prayers.
I
All
the
outpouring
and
support
the
neighboring
Counties
have
been
tremendous
in
the
response
that
day
and
in
the
response
afterwards
surrounding
counties
all
warm
around
the
school
colors
there
mcgoffin
County,
so
just
want
to
update
everyone
on
that
situation
and
ask
that
you
continue
to
pray
for
these.
These
young
men
and
women
and
their
families,
as
as
they
try
to
figure
out
how
you
go
one
day
at
a
time
through
this
process,
so
we're
thankful
that
at
this
point,
there's
no
fatalities
but
still
tragic.
Nonetheless,
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
thank.
A
You
it
certainly
has
been
a
challenging
12
months
with
the
tornadoes
in
Western
Kentucky,
the
flooding
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
the
two
situations
you
folks
have
mentioned
and
if
nothing
else,
it
certainly
is
a
reminder
how
precious
life
is
and
what
a
great
gift
it
is,
and
we
need
to
do
our
part
to
make
sure.
Since
we
are
blessed
that
we
become
the
very
best
people
that
we
can
be
and
continue
to
help
others
in
need.
But
we
certainly
want
to
keep
these
folks
on
our
thoughts
and
prayers.
A
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
Larry
Arnett.
Today,
I
speak
to
you
on
behalf
of
chairman
Bill
Fletcher,
who
unfortunately
had
an
unscheduled
meeting
out
of
state
today
and
was
not
able
to
to
make
the
meeting
and
also
our
27
veteran
service
organizations
who
are
members
of
The
Joint
executive,
Council
of
Veteran
organizations
of
Kentucky
check
Foe.
For
short,
we
have
the
the
same
Mission
as
this
committee
and
kdva.
J
J
J
We
have
the
a
a
strong
and
well-funded
Department
here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
that
you
authorized,
which
gives
Focus
on
policy
and
operational
issues
that
deal
with
veterans.
What
I
was
serving
as
as
Veterans
Affairs
directors.
You
authorized
the
payment
of
a
Vietnam
veterans
bonus
to
to
recognize
and
honor
the
veterans
and
of
those
the
of
those
Wars.
J
What
we
have
achieved
together
in
building
constructing
operating,
Staffing,
five
veteran
nursing
homes,
Five
veteran
centers
is
astounding,
when
you
add
to
that
five
State
veterans
cemeteries
to
make
sure
that
we
give
our
veterans
a
final
resting
place
of
honor.
J
When
you
add
to
that,
the
veterans
trust
fund
that
you
authorized,
which
author,
which
allows
us
to
spend
money,
raise
and
spend
money
that
for
projects
and
and
and
causes
that
you
can't
normally
fund
through
the
general
fund.
J
J
J
Last
session
you
took
a
step
in
endorsing
and
passing
a
resolution
urging
our
U.S
Congressional
Delegation
to
urge
the
U.S
Department
of
Veterans
Affairs
to
add
hyperbaric
oxygen
therapy
at
our
two
major
veteran
hospitals,
Lexington
and
Louisville
h-bot
for
short,
and
also
allowing
that
to
be
given
to
if,
if
not
there,
allowing
it
to
to
be
provided
to
Veterans
here
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
by
by
private
contract
services,
it
has
been
proven
in
research
that
h-bot
therapy
can
reduce
suicides
in
mild,
traumatic,
brain
injury
issues
and
what
we
would
ask
that,
if
there
are
opportunities
in
this
upcoming
session,
where
you
can
expand
on
any
effort
to
reduce
suicide
within
our
veteran
population,
we
would
ask
that
you
do
that.
J
We
also
encourage
you
to
to
build
on
the
success
from
the
last
session.
We
haven't
solved
and
I
say
we
as
a
as
a
group.
We
haven't
solved
the
the
problem
of
Staffing
at
our
at
our
veteran
nursing
centers.
So
we
would
ask
that
if
there
are
opportunities
where
you
can
enhance
the
opportunity
where
we
can
continue
to
build
those
nursing
staffs
in
those
centers,
we
ask
that
you
do
that.
J
J
Lastly,
we
actually
supported
the
intent
of
House
Bill
608
last
session
when
it
dealt
with
gray
area
gaming
machines,
air
veteran
organizations,
primarily
many
of
them
primarily
respond
to
the
revenue
that
we
get
from
our
own
charitable
gaming
issues
and
some
around
the
borders
more
more
practically
around
the
borders
where
these
gray
area
gaming
machines
have
caused
a
problem
and
has
reduced
the
revenue
that
we
are
getting
in
our
veteran
posts
and
therefore
reducing
the
level
of
services
that
we
can
provide.
J
We
would
ask
if,
if
that
issue
comes
once
again
in
in
front
of
the
general
assembly
in
this
session,
we
ask
that
you
give
it
it's
it's
due.
J
I,
look
at
our
relationship
as
kind
of
a
a
three-legged
stool.
You
have
the
general
assembly
on
one
leg.
We
have
the
administration
on
the
second
leg,
represented
by
normally
kdva,
and
you
have
the
joint
executive
Council.
You
have
all
the
the
veteran
service
organizations
at
the
third
leg
when
we
are
working
in
sync
and
we
are
staying
focused
on
those
matters
that
are
of
importance
to
Kentucky
veterans
and
their
families.
J
A
I
think
we
recognize,
particularly
through
this
covid
pandemic,
how
valuable
veterans
are
to
our
Workforce
and
we've
got
to
focus
on
on
accommodating
as
much
as
possible.
We
certainly
understand
the
importance
of
military
members,
families
and
I
think
that
really
has
taken
us
Center
Stage
over
the
last
couple
years
and
needs
to
continue
to
so
I'm,
confident
that
we
are
united
and
what
we
do
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
your
years
of
service.
You
see
1998,
and
you
remind
me
of
the
story
about
Farmer
Brown.
A
You
know
he
was
known
worldwide
for
how
well
he
took
care
of
his
animals.
You
know
every
morning
he
get
up
regardless
what
the
weather
is
and
make
sure
his
animals
were
taken
care
of
and
one
day
Mr
Chicken
said
to
Mr
Pig
said
the
hidden
Farmer
Brown
such
a
great
person
takes
such
good
care
of
us.
We
need
to
do
something
for
him
and
the
pig
said
well,
Mr,
Chicken,
why
you
got
in
mind.
A
I
J
I
I
That's
a
something
of
personal
interest
to
me
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
all
will
join
us
and
the
commissioner
would
be
on
board
and
looking
at
some
of
the
facilities
and
not
only
a
shortage
of
Staffing
but
even
prior
to
we're
not
simply
just
not
filling
all
the
beds,
and
we
are
at
I
believe
about
37
beds
left
in
our
allotment
in
Kentucky,
if
I'm
not
mistaking,
and
so
the
conversation
between
myself
and
some
others
have
taken
place,
that
we
look
at
and
some
of
these
facilities
around
the
states
that
are
not
able
to
staff
nor
to
fill
the
beds
that
we
look
at
privatizing.
I
Some
of
the
rooms
going
from
two
patients
to
one
and
moving
some
beds
back
into
the
allotment
so
that
we
can
create
a
big
enough
allotments
to
build
another
nursing
home
for
us
in
Kentucky
and
since
2017
I
want
to
believe
it
was
house
bills
13.
Maybe
when
we
did
the
language
for
the
Bowling
Green
nursing
home.
I
That
bill
also
included
is
the
intent
of
the
general
assembly
that
the
next
nursing
home
be
built
in
Magoffin,
County
and
so
I
want
to
and
has
been
included
in
every
budget
since
that
time,
I
want
to
hope.
We
would
have
your
support
in
trying
to
privatize
some
of
these
rooms,
which
I
think
could
be
beneficial
to
to
some
of
the
veterans
stay
in
there
and
put
some
beds
back
in
our
allotment.
So
we
could
move
forward
in
obtaining
another
Nursing
Home
in
the
East,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
out.
K
Sharp,
thank
you
Mr,
chairman,
sir,
thank
you
for
everything
that
you've
done
and
my
question
is
the
Chambers.
You
were
just
talking
about.
What's
the
cost
on
one
of
those.
J
The
normally
it's
around
a
twelve
thousand
dollars
per
person
to
go
through
40
Dives
in
a
h-bot
chamber.
J
It
all
depends
on
the
significance
and
the
seriousness
that
the
individual
veteran
is
having
as
to
how
many
of
those
Dives
that
we
that
he,
that
the
doctor
would
recommend
that
person
to
go
through,
but
about
twelve
thousand
dollars
per
40.
Dives.
J
That's
a
good
question:
I!
Don't
I,
don't
have
the
actual
cost
of
a
of
a
chamber
itself.
We
are
not
currently
having
that
service
available
at
either
of
our
VA
hospitals,
but
where
we
have
been
having
private
is
over
in
Winchester
and
I'd
have
to
check
and
see
what
the,
what
the
actual
cost
of
that
machine
is
representative
and
I'd
be
glad
to
get
back
in
touch
with
you.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
Colonel
Arnett,
for
your
testimony
this
morning,
I've
enjoyed
working
with
you
last
couple
years,
just
for
the
sake
of
the
committee.
I
want
to
know
about
the
veteran
service
organization
and
and
what's
going
on
there
and
representative
bratcher
and
I
are
pretty
familiar
with
that,
because
we've
carried
it.
L
One
of
us
has
been
on
that
for
the
last
four
years
as
we
work
through
that
trying
it
different
ways:
Constitutional
Amendments,
looking
at
trying
to
code
as
a
standalone
bill,
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
that
will
not
go
through
as
a
standalone
Bill.
We
work
so
much
on
that.
We
even
got
it
into
the
budget
language
and
had
to
go
that
way,
and
then
it
was
in
all
the
letters
went
out
and
they
still
end
up
paying
it.
So
we've
tried
about
every
work
around
we
can
on
that.
L
The
good
news
is
that
there
is
a
pathway
for
these
veterans
service
organizations
to
do
that.
Colonel,
Arnett,
I
think
we've
discussed
this
and
all
these
organizations
can
do
that.
They
need
to
apply
individually
to
do
that
and
yes,
it
is
a
little
bit
more
work,
but
there
is
indeed
a
pathway
for
them
to
do
that,
and
then
it's
not
for
a
lack
of
effort
that
we've
tried
to
get
that
done.
So
thank
you.
J
A
A
A
M
Yes,
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
good
morning,
honorable
members
of
the
committee,
it's
always
a
great
honor
to
be
here.
My
guest
today,
commissioner
Whitney
P
Allen,
Jr,
Lieutenant,
Colonel
army
retired.
To
my
right.
This
handsome
man
right
here
is
my
chief
of
staff.
Dwayne
Edwards,
you
met
him
in
the
previous
committee
has
been
a
great
asset
for
kdva
and
veterans
in
the
State
to
my
left.
This
handsome
man
right
here
and
this
great
warrior
is
Dr
Silas
sessions.
He
is
my
new
executive
director
for
veteran
services.
M
He
covers
the
areas
of
benefits,
cemeteries
and
state
programs
in
Iraq
and
Afghanistan
war,
veteran
fuel
artillery
guy,
so
he's
been
on
the
line
been
on
the
fight
with
our
allies
and
leading
great
men.
I've
also
had
the
privilege
actually
to
serve
with
both
of
them
at
different
times.
He
was
the
old
man.
He
was
the
old
man
and
I
was
the
young
kid
and
by
the
time
we
served
together,
I
was
the
old
man.
He
was
a
young
kid
and
I
decided
to
retire
in
the
back
here.
M
I
have
James
Ainsley
Air
Force
veteran.
He
is
my
new
public
information
officer.
We
call
him
Jimmy,
so
if
one
of
us
three
is
running
out,
ripping
out
suit,
we're
going
off
to
save
the
world
somewhere,
so
Jimmy
take
great
pictures.
Please,
as
always,
this
is
a
great
honor.
I
will
be
shot.
There's
two
major
administrative
issues.
I
would
like
to
take
care
of
this
legislative
sessions,
but
before
I
even
go
further
further
than
that,
I'd
like
to
do
a
couple
of
shout
outs
for
number.
M
One
I'd
like
to
thank
all
of
the
communities
that
have
housed
my
veterans,
centers
nursing
homes,
my
cemeteries
and
even
areas
where
my
benefit
representatives
are
located
for
the
great
work,
support
and
love,
doing
Veterans,
Day
or
doing
Veterans
Day
week.
For
those
you
know,
Wilmore
Hansen,
Radcliffe
I
can
go
on
Williamstown
I
appreciate
all
of
the
volunteers
that
went
out
and
put
flags
at
the
cemetery
at
every
grave
there's
about
18
000
of
them
across
the
state.
M
So
family
can
come
and
pay
their
respects
and
see
that
we're
honoring
their
legacies.
I
pray
appreciate
the
Veterans
Day
cards
and
participation
of
at
the
veterans
centers
for
activities
like
the
concert
and
Radcliffe
or
in
Vine
Grove,
where
many
of
our
senior
veterans,
World,
War,
II
veterans,
Korean,
War
veterans,
Vietnam
veterans
were
able
to
participate
in
in
parades
and
other
activities.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
their
effort
and
support.
M
Also
representative
Ed
Massey
you've
been
a
great
Ally
you're,
not
going
to
be
missed
because
I'm
going
to
try
to
steal
one
of
your
helmets
as
you're
moving
but
I
know
you'll
be
back
in
in
in
in
the
swing
at
things
and
then
I
know.
The
committee
as
a
whole
have
been
very
gracious
and
supportive
of
kdva
operations.
So
I'll
be
really
quick,
be
up,
be
brief
and
be
gone.
The
two
areas
we're
looking
at.
M
We
we're
bringing
well
the
first
one,
is
removing
residency
or
state
residency
from
the
KRS
government
our
cemeteries.
Last
year,
the
committee
passed
nearly
unanimous
what
I'm
saying
and
then
the
house
passed
96
nothing.
So
we
want
to
bring
this
bill
back
and
hopefully
that
it
goes
through
the
house
easily
again
and
the
senate
pass.
The
stakes
are
still
the
same.
We
do
not
remove
the
state
residency
from
the
KRS,
which
originally
in
the
first
10
years,
wasn't
there.
M
So
if
we,
if
we
don't
remove
it,
we
lose
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
of
federal
funding
to
expand
our
cemeteries.
We
have
current
contract,
I
mean
I'm
correction
grants
going
through,
they
will
be
impacted.
You
should
have
received
in
your
packet
an
information
paper
on
it.
That
also
highlights
the
capacity
of
all
five
veteran
centers.
Most
of
them
are
only
used
one-third
of
them
and
or
ask
we
have
cleared
only
one
third
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
haven't
even
gotten
halfway
through
filling
those
those
capacities.
M
So
I
asked
this
committee
again
to
review
this.
We've
talked
to
several
members.
We
found
a
sponsor
of
a
bill
and
it
should
be
filed
session.
The
second
administrative
action
is
dealing
with
tuition
waivers.
There
are
some
areas
I'm
looking
at,
but
particularly
the
one
I
like
to
to
change
is
the
term
of
completion
of
certificate.
M
So
how
can
it
best
explain
it?
A
great
example
would
be
veteran,
become
disabled,
unable
to
work
his
his
or
her
spouse
decides
that
okay,
going
from
a
homemaker
to
a
new
career,
wants
to
be
a
nurse
but
starts
off
because
of
an
immediate
job
and
be
a
Nasser
or
a
nurse
assistance.
She
goes
on
and
do
training.
She
completes
her
degree
we'll
please
her
certificate.
M
She
cannot
get
the
remaining
or
he
cannot
get
the
remaining
months
of
training
because
by
then
they
realize
the
money
is
there
in
nursing,
an
area
that
we
know
we're
very
short
of
so
I
would
like
to
pull
that
away
and
relieve
the
burden
of
the
veteran
spouse
and
kids
dependents
of
worrying
about
completing
a
degree
and
have
their
full
45
months
of
Eligibility
and
also
relieved
the
burden
of
the
school
to
try
to
continue
to
attract
it.
M
We
do
not
want
to
lose
anyone
in
the
system
and
that's
all
I
have
right
now,
as
always,
I
support
any
bill
that
is
accommodating
and
supporting
for
all
veterans.
I
will
put
out
that
if
any
of
you
or
any
of
your
colleagues
in
the
house
or
moving
a
veterans
bill,
please
talk
to
me,
call
my
staff,
so
we
can
talk
about
it
a
little
bit
and
see
if
there's
a
need
for
a
bill
or
what
could
be
better
or
what's
there.
M
A
Thank
you,
sir,
would
like
a
for
the
committee's
benefit,
a
little
on
clarification
about
the
cemetery
issue,
because
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this.
If
this
occurs
and
and
should
occur,
it's
just
not
an
open
border.
So
to
speak
on,
anybody
can
be
buried
in
our
veterans.
Cemetery.
There
has
to
be
a
Kentucky
connection
of
some
sort.
Is
that
correct.
M
That
that's
the
current,
but
the
residency
is
here.
The
national
cemetery
Administration
has
put
out
policy
that
all
states
removed
residency
and
shouldn't
deny
internment
of
any
U.S
veteran
or
U.S
citizen
Barry
in
our
cemeteries.
That
is
the
the
latest
guidance
right
now
with
the
residency
and
connections
and
at
one
time
when
they
added
this,
as
I
did
my
homework.
It
was
no
change.
It
was
concern
about
overflow,
but
when
they
change
it
was
no
change
in
in
operational
flow.
M
So
somebody
in
Pennsylvania
is
not
going
to
say:
I
want
to
die
and
be
buried
in
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
unless
they
have
a
connection
with
Kentucky.
They
left
their
kids
Behind
after
they
moved
on
in
service
or
or
some
other
connections.
But
the
most
important
about
this
bill
and
remove
of
it
is
the
impact
of
federal
dollars
that
will
hurt
the
economy,
because
you
know
we
use
local
businesses
to
expand
the
cemeteries
to
put
in
the
plots
and
barriers
that
are
in
there,
so
I
estimated
about
20
to
25
million.
M
Yes,
there
is
less
than
10
well
between
10
and
13
left
to
include
Kentucky,
and
that
number
is
dwindling
down
now.
H
I
have
a
question:
I've
met
with
a
few
of
my.
We
have
a
great
DAV
service
in
our
in
my
community
and
they've
brought
something
to
my
attention
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
something
that
we
would
attempt
to
file
a
bill
over
if
it's
something
administratively,
but
it's
something
that
that
I'd
I
didn't
recognize
and
I.
H
Don't
think
a
lot
of
people
realize
that
when
our
DAV
and
our
other
departments
go
to
attend,
funerals
and
things
such
as
play,
Taps
at
a
military
funeral,
something
to
that
effect,
they've
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
is
only
a
maximum
of
a
sixty
dollar
fee
that
can
be
provided
during
that
time.
For
these
you
know,
I
think
our
DAV
said
that
it
just
one
of
our
departments.
They
have
at
least
six
people
attend
almost
every
funeral
and
and
one
of
the
gentlemen.
H
He
he
attends
my
church
and
he's
the
fellow
who
plays
Taps
on
the
trumpet
and
and
and
so
it's
a
service.
That's
greatly
appreciated,
not
only
in
our
community
but
across
the
common.
Is
that
something
that
we
would
look
to?
You
know,
obviously,
with
the
price
of
gas
and
things
of
that
nature.
Right
now,
you
know
it's
important
to
encourage.
H
You
know,
give
them
an
incentive
to
make
sure
that
they
they
continue
these
services
that
are
so
valued
it
would
that
be
something
that
we
would
try
to
change
through
legislation,
or
is
that
something
administratively
that
that
would
need
to
be
brought
to
the
attention
of
of
the
department?
Well.
M
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
ma'am
and
Analysis
first
and
what
needs
to
be
done?
It
will
be
a
budget
issue
and
we
try
our
best
to
follow.
The
state
and
federal
regulation
for
travel
and
I
am
blessed
to
say
that
we're
we're
a
generous
state
in
that
piece
but
I
do
understand
those
concerns,
but
please
I
can
have
Al
Duncan
and
myself
or
L
Duncan
and
Dr
session
come
in
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
before
we
create
legislation.
M
M
O
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
your
presentation,
I'm
from
Hardin,
County,
District,
25
and
so
I'm
really
proud
and
of
the
Radcliffe
Veterans
Center,
it's
it's
near
and
dear
in
my
heart.
It's
amazing,
amazing
home
and
it's
a
home.
It's
not
a
facility.
It's
a
home!
It's.
O
B
O
M
Veterans
the
neat
thing
about
this:
the
great
process
of
Kentucky
we
get
a
chance
to
see
bills
come
across
and
analyze
and
give
out
input,
but
for
right
now
it's
those
two
two
areas.
O
Okay,
so
my
understanding
is
there.
The
issue
with
with
the
veteran
Center
and
probably
all
the
Veterans
Center,
is
that
it
is
workers,
it's
not
that
there
isn't
available
folks
who
want
to
come
move
in
it's
just
that
we
don't
have
the
workers,
because
maybe
the
state
8
or
the
pay
rate
is
not
high
enough
to
remain
attract
and
maintain.
Can
you
speak
to
that?
Oh.
M
Yeah
definitely,
sir,
what
the
biggest
problem
and
challenge
is.
The
national
Nationwide
shortage
of
of
nurses
in
healthcare
professionals,
so
I
think
we're
as
I
talked
to
Martha
Workman,
our
vice
executive
director
for
veterans
centers,
the
nation
is
250,
000
nurses
shot
across
the
country.
So
that's
one
challenge
two
I'm
working
with
the
Personnel
cabinet
for
addressing
pay
pay,
as
as
a
team,
as
we
always
does,
and
we've
looked
at
different
methods
of
of
making
sure
that
we
try
to
match
the
compensation
for
our
nurses.
M
But
you
have
to
look
at
the
area.
Fort
Knox
is
right
across
the
street
federal
jobs
or
really
high
paying
jobs
we're
looking
at
the
private
sector.
They
will
throw
money
at
a
particular
time,
but
the
most
important
thing
about
the
population
of
the
centers
versus
the
workers
is
and
which
keeps
us.
Our
five-star
rating
is
the
ratio
of
Health
Care
workers,
nurses,
Specialists,
ancillary
positions,
prayer
resident,
and
we
do
not
want
to
to
go
over
that
in
the
private
sector.
They
will
do
the
minimum.
We
try
to
match.
I
I.
M
Think
it's
three
to
one.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it
is.
It
is
so
many
workers
to
that
one
person
to
provide
the
coverage
that's
needed.
We
need
to
have
somebody
there
when
there's
a
Code
Blue
for
that
veteran
dying.
We
need
somebody
there
to
watch
that
door
to
make
sure
the
veterans
that
was
one
strong
minds
or
not
strong
minds
and
walk
out
there.
So
that's
what
it
is
proportion
of
workers
is
is
online
with
the
residency
so.
O
J
E
O
I
M
And
we
we
have
emissions.
So
let
me
give
me
a
second
here,
so
people
would
know
I
always
get
that
question
and,
as
you
can
see,
I
have
a
lot
of
notes
here.
So
you
know,
Radcliffe
has
admitted
13
residents
in
the
last
16
months.
So
as
we
get
more
Staffing,
we
add
more
people
when
veterans
pass
because
they
come
there
as
their
last
to
share
their
last
moment
without
their
family.
They
trust
us
with
that.
M
O
P
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
commissioner,
it's
good
to
see
you
again.
Yes,
sir
last
time,
of
course,
was
groundbreaking
for
the
Bowling
Green.
Yes,.
M
P
Nursing
home
and
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
cemetery
and
ask
a
question
because
I
know
it
didn't
make
it
out
of
the
Senate
and
that's
something
probably
for
a
lack
of
understanding
and
so
just
to
clear
up
some
things
in
regards
to
that
looks
like
we
have
the
capacity
according
to
what
we've
been
given
here,
that
we
can
expand,
but
is
the
stipulation
from
the
federal
government.
If
we
don't
remove
that
Clause,
they
won't
give
us
the
money
for
expansion.
Yes,
sir
So.
E
M
Yes,
sir,
yes,
sir,
how
much
do
we
get
here?
It
varies,
sir,
for
for
Grants
I.
Think
the
I
don't
want
to
misquote,
but
it
was
a
couple
of
million
dollars
for
West
and
Central
I
want
to
say,
but
I
think
West
down
at
Fort
Campbell.
So
it's
a
couple
of
million
dollars
to
expand
you're,
putting
in
new
Crypts
into
the
ground,
double
Crips.
M
For
those
that
mean
single
and
double
barrier
and
in
Clarin
woods
and
and
just
setting
up
a
variety
of
things
in
those
contracts,
and
we
have
two
in
the
pipe
that
will
cross
that
line.
If
we
don't
change
the
residency.
Sir.
P
M
Sir
I
just
talked
to
the
Mr
Fletcher
Commander
Fletcher
for
Jack
vo
and
we're
always
in
constant
discussions
with
the
vsos
I
understand
some
individuals
are
are
concerned
and
it's
just
about
information,
and
we
have
the
same
information
paper
and
other
documents
that
you
have
right
now
has
been
pushed
out
to
all
to
Jack
vote.
M
We've
briefed
him
several
times,
so
those
Port
contacts
go
back
after
having
my
state
conference,
which
I
appreciate
representative
McCool
and
Pamela
Stevenson
representative
Stevenson
attending
and
and
showing
that
bipartisan,
and
that
joint
effort
talk
to
commanders
the
state
commanders
about
this.
So
it
there
is
opinions
about
this.
But
everyone
knows
what's
going
on
in
the
impact
that.
P
M
We
put
acids
barriers
sites,
things
of
that
nature,
so
it's
cognitary
common
barrier,
summary
sorry
yeah,
so
we're
this
is
always
a
working
project.
From
here
on
out
the
moment,
federal
or
the
federal
government
says
we're
no
longer
giving
you
grants.
Everything
is
100
percent
Kentucky,
okay,
taxpayers.
J
J
L
L
On
the
on
the
back,
if
you
go
to
page
four
on
the
first
page.
J
M
M
The
information
paper
or
the
executive
sum
summary
was
written
to
answer
every
question
that
was
either
asked
by
the
committee,
a
representative
outside
the
committee
and
Veteran.
So
my
apologies,
that's
what
what
it
is
and
then
yeah
and
I'm
an
officer.
So
you
know
me
with
maps.
I
was
on
page
three.
So.
L
A
A
But
with
that
folks,
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
feel
free
to
proceed,
make
sure
your
microphone
button
is
on
should
be
a
yellow
light
or
green
light.
Excuse
me.
R
Good
thank
you
committee
members
for
this
opportunity
today
to
take
up
an
important,
Public,
Health
challenge
that
we're
working
to
overcome
in
our
state
and
that
challenge
is
radon-induced
lung
cancer.
We
do
have
a
presentation.
All
three
of
us
will
speak
and
we'll
we'll
be
brief.
In
our
comments,
as
I
mentioned,
my
name
is
Kyle
hoylem
and
I'm.
R
The
chair
of
the
newly
formed
Kentucky
Board
of
radon
safety
and
the
ladies
with
me
today
have
introduced
themselves
as
well
mm-hmm,
due
to
your
work
last
session
on
House
Bill
77,
the
Kentucky
Board
of
radon
safety
was
was
formed.
That
board
is
housed
within
the
Department
of
Professional
Licensing
within
the
public
protection
cabinet.
R
The
effective
date
was
July
14th
of
this
year
and
the
committee
has
met
numerous
times
to
take
up
its
work.
I
think
we've
met
at
this
point
three
three
times
there
are
five
voting
members
and
two
non-voting
members
represented
on
the
committee.
The
duties
as
you
can
see
here
are
to
promote
the
control
of
radon
in
Kentucky,
among
other
things
such
as
receiving
administering
grants
related
to
radon
and
ultimately,
promulgating
regulations
in
support
of
the
statute.
R
R
You
can
see
here
that
radon
is
estimated
to
to
basically
for
one
thousand
of
the
4
800
lung
cancer
incidents
in
our
state
each
year.
This
is
a
report
card,
that's
put
out
through
the
industry
Association,
and
it
is
included
with
your
material.
You
can
see
that
of
those
1033
incident
rates
that
a
lot
of
that
is
because
we
need
to
take
more
effort
and
take
more
action
in
prevention
and
radon-induced.
Lung
cancer
can
be
prevented
as
far
as
radon
policies
in
our
state.
R
We
do
have
a
contractor
certification
program
and
that
certification
program
recognizes
EPA,
recognized
proficiency
programs
and
requires
the
use
of
ANSI
standards
for
measurement
mitigation
and
analytical
Laboratories.
You
can
see
here
on
the
bottom
left,
though,
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
strategies
to
prevent
radon
in
in
our
building
stock
and
in
fact,
in
some
areas
of
Kentucky,
more
than
65
percent
of
buildings
contain
toxic
levels
of
cancer-causing,
radio,
video
Act
of
radon
gas.
R
We
need
to
do
a
little
better
on
on
the
policy
side,
the
graph
that
you
see
here-
44
percent-
and
this
is
CDC
data
44
of
the
buildings
in
Kentucky-
are
estimated
to
contain
action,
radon
concentrations
above
the
Action
level.
So
we,
when
you
look
at
the
national
number,
it's
around
15
percent
estimated
it's
actually
seven
percent.
If
you
look
at
single
family
housing
with
an
EPA
that
44
percent
is,
is
mostly
single
family
housing
in
our
state.
R
So
we
are
many
times
greater
than
what
the
national
average
is
as
far
as
percentage
of
buildings
containing
radon
problems
and,
finally,
I'll
just
point
that
there
are
public
schools
in
our
state.
Currently,
the
public
schools
are
not
required
to
build
radon
control
systems
in
the
schools,
so
it
becomes
much
more
costly
to
address
a
retrofit
system
after
the
fact
and
much
more
economical
to
build
the
controls
in
at
the
beginning
of
the
process.
R
As
far
as
I'll
leave
you
with
some
other
information
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Shannon
approximately
every
25
minutes
in
our
country.
Radon-Induced,
lung
cancer
does
claim
the
life
of
another
victim
and
that's
unfortunate
because
it
is
mostly
preventable
in
January
of
2005,
the
U.S
Surgeon
General
issued
a
public
health
warning
similar
to
the
smoking
warning
that
we
saw
several
decades
ago.
The
Surgeon
General
warning
is
radon,
causes
lung
cancer
and,
in
fact
radon
is
the
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer
among
non-smokers
and
is
second
overall
only
to
smoking.
R
The
medical
cost
burden
of
radon-induced
lung
cancer
every
year
in
our
state
is
an
estimated
210
million
dollars
and
again,
a
lot
of
this
is
preventable
that
doesn't
take
into
account
things
like
lost
wages,
impacts
on
families.
That
is
the
direct
medical
cost
for
the
initial,
the
ongoing
in
the
last
year
of
Life
treatment.
So
we
have
opportunities
to
ease
the
burden
on
our
Medicaid
and
Medici
Medicare
system
as
well.
R
We
had
some
folks
here
today
from
various
branches
of
of
the
military
and
I
would
point
out
that
in
2020
and
again,
this
information
is
in
your
pack.
The
oig
for
the
Department
of
Defense
issued
a
a
report
that
found
members
of
our
military
and
their
families
are
at
risk
for
radioactive
cancer,
causing
gas
on
our
privatized
and
military
housing
campuses
across
the
country.
As
a
a
result
of
that
in
2020.
R
The
other
thing
that
I'll
point
out
is
our
military
installations.
I
mentioned
schools
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
other
than
the
voluntary
work
that's
taken
place
in
Fayette
County,
with
with
the
Fayette
County
Public
Schools
and
in
Scott
County
with
some
of
the
Georgetown
schools.
R
Only
our
military
installations
do
require
proactive,
radon
or
soil
gas
control
systems
be
built
into
our
our
school
systems
and
I'm
aware
that
both
Fort
Knox
and
Fort
Campbell
do
have
pretty
Advanced
programs
for
the
the
actual
military
housing,
as
well
as
the
requirement
for
the
privatized.
Military
housing
in
2021
HUD
followed
up
with
its
own
report
through
its
oig,
and
it
found
the
lack
of
a
department-wide
radon
policy
as
as
posing
a
risk
to
building
occupants
HUD
map
20
HUD
map,
which
is
a
multi-family
housing
program.
R
R
R
So
there's
a
lot
of
federal
policy
work
going
on
and
what
we
need
to
do
here
in
Kentucky
is
to
take
a
look
at
what's
happening
with
lending
policy
and
take
a
look
at
what's
happening
with
our
schools
with
our
Residential
Care
Facilities
with
our
other
buildings,
including
government
buildings,
I
I
would
venture
to
say
that
we've
done
no
testing
in
in
this
Annex
that
we
sit
in
today.
Although
I
can
tell
you
that
testing
over
on
the
Rotunda
side
did
find
elevated
concentrations
of
radon
here
in
in
this
government
building
complex.
R
T
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you
here
today.
I
just
want
to
share
very
briefly
a
little
bit
about
the
Lung
Association
formed
115
years
ago.
We
are
the
leading
organization
working
to
save
lives
by
preventing
lung
disease
and
promoting
lung
health.
Initially,
our
Focus
was
on
tuberculosis
and
eliminating
tuberculosis.
Today,
much
of
our
work
focuses
specifically
on
lung
cancer.
T
What
you
may
not
have
known
before
today
is
that
that's
least
at
least
in
part
due
to
kentuckian's
exposure
to
Radioactive
radon,
so
just
a
little
bit
about
what
is
right
on.
Where
does
it
come
from,
and
what
do
we
do
about
it?
It's
an
invisible
naturally
occurring
radioactive
gas
found
in
homes
and,
as
Kyle
said,
other
buildings
throughout
the
state
and
across
the
country.
You
cannot
see
it
smell
it
or
taste
it,
but
it's
there
it.
T
It
causes
lung
cancer,
and
it's
present
I
can
tell
you
at
the
outset,
in
every
member
of
this
committee's
area
of
residence
or
in
a
community
that
you
represent,
putting
your
families,
your
friends
and
your
constituents
Health
at
risk.
Most
people
know
that
smoking
is
the
number
one
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer,
but
most
people
don't
know
that
radon
is
the
number
two
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer
and
it
is
the
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer
among
people
who
have
never
smoked.
T
So
where
does
it
come
from?
It
begins
with
the
radioactive
decay
of
uranium,
which
is
a
metal
found
in
the
rocks
in
the
soil
and
places
all
across
the
United
States.
The
decay
of
uranium
begins
a
long
chain
and
eventually
uranium
turns
into
radium
and
when
radium
decays,
it
turns
into
radon,
and
this
invisible
gas
then
finds
its
way
out
of
the
rocks
and
the
soil
and
into
the
air.
T
So
over
30
years
ago,
the
U.S
Surgeon
General
issued
the
first
statement
advising
people
across
the
country
to
test
their
homes.
Since
then,
we've
developed
a
reasonably
clear
picture
of
the
approximate
size
of
the
problem.
Epa
warns
that
radon
is
responsible
for
about
21
000
lung
cancer
deaths
every
year.
T
As
you
know,
lung
cancer
is
easily
Far
and
Away
the
number
one
cause
of
cancer
mortality
in
the
United
States,
but
if
considered
separately,
radon-induced
lung
cancer
alone
has
a
mortality
rate
comparable
to
that
of
other
cancers
that
we
routinely
take
very
seriously
like
leukemia
and
prostate
cancer,
like
other
things,
radon
can
be
measured.
The
U.S
epa's
Action
level
is
for
Pico
curies
per
liter
of
air.
T
That
means
that
EPA
urges
you
to
fix
the
problem
in
your
homes
and
other
buildings
that
have
levels
at
four
Pico
curies
per
liter
of
air
or
higher.
So,
let's,
let's
see
how
radon
adds
to
the
risk
of
developing
lung
cancer.
First,
let's
look
at
the
increased
risk
for
lung
cancer
mortality
from
radon
for
people
who
live
with
the
average
indoor
radon
level
in
the
U.S.
T
The
blue
column
shows
what
the
approximate
risk
of
dying
from
lung
cancer
would
be
for
people
if
there
was
no
radon
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
lifetime
risk
for
current
smokers
is
close
to
10
percent,
whereas
for
our
lifelong,
never
smokers
it's
closer
to
one
percent,
the
oh
gosh,
something
just
went
horribly
wrong.
There.
T
But
our
lungs
don't
have
time
to
clear
that
out
before
more
Decay
happens
and
this
releases,
small
particles
called
alpha
particles
that
then
slam
into
the
living
tissue
in
our
lungs
and
these
alpha
particles
damage
the
tissue
and
cause
lung
cancer
and
importantly,
the
longer
the
period
of
exposure
and
the
higher
the
level
of
radon.
The
greater
the
risk
of
developing
lung
cancer
radon
levels
can
vary
significantly
from
one
house
to
the
next.
Anything
is
possible
and
the
only
way
to
know
if
it's
there
is
to
test
for
it.
T
There
are
a
variety
of
options
for
testing,
beginning
with,
like
a
short-term
screening
test,
and
these
tests
usually
require
only
two
to
seven
days
to
collect
radon
exposure
in
your
home,
and
then
you
mail,
the
test
into
the
lab,
the
lab,
analyzes
and
Returns.
The
results
to
you
and
and
getting
a
test
is,
is
reasonably
easy
and
cost
around
fifteen
to
twenty
dollars.
You
can
order
them
online.
You
can
actually
even
order
them
from
the
American
Lung
Association
website,
or
you
can
purchase
them
in
places
like
hardware
stores
in
your
own
local
communities.
T
T
Typically
in
the
lowest
livable
level
of
the
house.
It
doesn't
matter
what
the
structure
of
the
house
is,
and
it
should
always
be
done
by
a
certified
professional,
in
fact,
prior
to
installing
a
mitigation
system,
even
if
you've
done
do-it-yourself
testing.
That
should
be
your
results
should
be
confirmed
by
a
certified
professional
and
when
buying
a
new
home
a
newly
constructed
home.
T
When
elevated
radon
levels
are
found,
homes
should
be
fixed
with
a
good
mitigation
system
again
installed
by
a
certified
professional
and
Professionals
in
fact,
are
required
to
be
certified
here
in
Kentucky
that
the
costs
are
really
much
less
than
most
people
anticipate,
ranging
somewhere
between
thirteen
hundred
and
twenty
five
hundred
dollars,
similar
to
any
other
home
repair.
You
might
need
to
do
so.
T
S
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
each
of
you
giving
me
this
time
to
talk
today.
I
will
have
been
diagnosed
with
lung
cancer
five
years
ago,
December
6th
and,
if
you
know
the
statistics
of
lung
cancer,
The
Five-Year
statistics
are
very
poor,
so
most
of
the
people
wouldn't
make
it
for
these
five
years
to
get
here
today.
S
I've
lived
in
Kentucky,
my
entire
life
I
didn't
pay
attention
to
lung
cancer
because
I
didn't
know,
I
could
ever
get
it
if
I
never
smoked.
No
one
goes
looking
for
information
about
lung
cancer
until
they're
diagnosed
when
I
was
diagnosed
in
December
of
2017
I
knew
it
was
time
to
start
learning
all
I
could
about
what
now
had
become
my
disease
and
I
didn't
have
to
look
very
far
to
learn
that,
at
the
time
of
my
diagnosis,
as
Shannon
said,
Kentucky
ranked
number
one
for
lung
cancer
cases
and
deaths.
S
That
led
me
to
ask
the
question
why?
Why
did
I
not
know
people
could
be
diagnosed
with
lung
cancer
and
die
from
it
for
reasons
other
than
smoking?
It
was
so
upsetting
to
me
that
the
state
both
my
parents
and
I
have
lived
in
our
entire
lives.
The
place
I've
always
been
proud
to
call
home
we're
not
making
our
citizens
more
aware
of
this.
S
Were
we
fighting
hard
enough
to
do
something
about
this
number?
One
ranking
in
my
mind,
I
thought.
No
other
State's
going
to
fight
for
us,
and
no
other
state
wants
the
weight
of
this
number
one
ranking
it's
simply
up
to
Kentucky.
If
we
want
to
see
things
change
for
the
better
for
the
citizens
of
our
great
state.
S
Next
slide,
I
spent
an
entire
year
after
I
was
diagnosed,
trying
to
understand
as
much
as
I
could
about
my
diagnosis.
I
did
not
know
any
other
individuals
with
lung
cancer.
There
was
no
one
to
talk
to
about
my
diagnosis,
except
families
who
had
lost
loved
ones
to
the
disease,
but
one
thing
I
started
to
discover
was
that
the
more
that
I
talked
about
having
lung
cancer
as
an
over,
never
never
smoker.
The
more
people
began.
Sharing
similar
stories
of
others,
they
knew
who
received
the
same
surprising
diagnosis
and
later
passed
away.
S
The
story
had
finally
begun
to
reach
a
big
enough
audience
that
other
survivors
began
to
connect.
Since
my
friend
Kathy
in
Hallsville
Kentucky
reached
out
to
tell
me
her
experience
with
lung
cancer,
despite
having
never
smoked,
I've
met
24
other
kentuckians,
who
have
been
diagnosed.
The
Stars
on
this
map
represent
individuals
with
Advanced
lung
lung
cancer,
who
have
never
smoked.
This
only
represents
those
who
I've
been
able
to
connect
with.
It
does
not
account
for
the
many
other
stories.
S
There
are
so
many
stories
so
much
sadness
and
so
much
suffering
that
accompanies
this
diagnosis,
but
today
I'll
introduce
you
to
radon
related
lung
cancer.
By
telling
you
my
story,
thanks,
I've
been
active
and
healthy,
my
entire
life,
and
while
the
stigma
of
lung
cancer
burdens
those
with
a
history
of
smoking
with
an
unfair
feeling
of
Shame
and
blame
that
same
stigma,
causes
the
medical
community
and
unsuspecting
citizens
to
automatically
assume
if
they
have
never
smoked
and
they
look
healthy,
they
couldn't
possibly
have
lung
cancer.
S
We
don't
qualify
for
early
detection
screening
and
any
early
symptoms
are
often
dismissed
and
misdiagnosed
until
the
disease
spreads
to
other
areas
of
the
body
and
requires
additional
testing.
Okay,
because
of
this
public
misperception
and
limited
narrow
conversations
around
the
disease.
This
is
how
I
found
out
I
had
lung
cancer
after
a
nodule
in
my
lung
was
watched
for
nearly
two
and
a
half
years
before
the
decision
was
ever
made
to
remove
it.
Unfortunately,
it
only
took
a
year
and
a
half
before
the
cancer
returned.
S
In
my
other
lung
and
biomarker
testing
revealed
I
have
a
lung
cancer
mutation
that
is
seen
is
often
seen
in
patients
who
have
damaged
cells
in
their
lungs
because
of
the
history
of
radon
exposure.
This
science
is
so
new
and
rapidly
changing
that
we
are
just
beginning
to
understand
some
of
these
music
mutations
associated
with
this
other
damage.
Besides,
smoking.
S
S
Here's
a
photo
of
my
childhood
home.
My
86
year
old
mother,
still
lives
in
this
house.
We
all
grew
up
in.
We
would
often
hang
out
in
the
den
in
our
basement,
watching
TV.
We
roller
skated
in
what
we
liked
to
call
the
back
part
of
the
basement
and
each
of
us
siblings,
as
we
moved
out
of
the
house,
one
by
one
I
couldn't
wait
until
at
the
age
of
13,
I
was
finally
able
to
call
that
bedroom
mine.
S
S
I'm,
a
mom
I'm,
a
sister
I'm,
a
daughter,
I'm,
a
wife,
a
friend,
and
what
happened
to
me
could
happen
to
you
or
anyone.
You
love
next
slide
the
science,
the
statistics
you've
heard
them
today
and
the
conversations
regarding
the
dangers
of
radon
and
the
risk
of
getting
lung
cancer.
If
exposed
follow
along
some
of
the
same
lines
of
conversation,
we
had
around
smoking
back
in
the
60s
and
I
was
alive.
Then
I
was
born
in
1964.
S
S
S
For
us,
it's
our
responsibility
to
pay
attention
to
the
science
pay
attention
to
the
statistics,
pay
attention
to
the
lives
that
have
been
affected,
the
lives
that
have
been
lost
and
the
lives
that
have
yet
to
be
affected
because
of
a
large
percentage
of
our
community
does
not
even
know
this
danger
exists
and
they
can't
protect
themselves
from
breathing
air
that
could
kill
them
because
they
don't
know
we're.
Kentuckians,
we've
never
smoked,
and
we
are
the
faces
of
lung
cancer
in
your
Kentucky
counties,
and
you
could
take
a
look
right
there.
S
A
There's
a
legislative
body
we
hear
from
a
lot
of
different
groups
promoted
so
much
more
meaningful
when
we
hear
an
individual
who's
impacted
by
this.
Specifically.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
mission
that
you're
on
and
thank
you
for
sharing
your
story.
It's
certainly
is
an
eye-opener.
It's
been
very
educational,
very
informative!
Thank
you.
One
question
I'd
have
for
the
rest
of
the
committee
is
and
I
guess.
This
goes
to
Miss
Baker
on
your
list
of
the
cancer
type
and
the
statistics.
We've
got:
lung
cancer,
142
000,
lung
cancer
right
on
21
000..
A
T
R
It
is
understated
the
the
21
000
is
actually
from
the
late
80s.
The
original
assessment
of
radon
hot
zones
in
the
United
States
was
conducted
using
a
Geological
Survey
in
less
than
six
thousand
data
points.
The
updated
CDC
data,
which
actually
is
based
on
real
test
results
over
2
million
data
points
would
suggest
that
38.6
percent
of
all
homes
in
the
United
States
contain
radon
issues,
and
when
you
start
to
update
for
population,
you
start
to
take
into
account
building
efficiency
practices.
R
S
And
can
I
just
say
that
after
I
was
diagnosed,
I
learned
that
it
can
take
5
to
25
years
for
damaged
cells
in
the
lungs
to
turn
into
cancer,
and
the
science
is
so
new,
and
so
many
of
the
people,
my
mom's
86
years
old,
so
she
lives
still
and
the
the
house
that
I
grew
up
in
someone
else
mentioned
that
they
grew
up
at
a
home
with
a
basement.
S
Most
people
don't
have
a
way
to
trace
back
that
far
to
see
where
their
exposure
was
and
they
die
before
they
have
a
chance
to
be
like
me
to
really
advocate
for
this
disease
in
never
smokers
or
people
who,
quit
years
ago,
the
rest
of
my
family
doesn't
think
about
lung
cancer
either
either
because
they
don't
qualify
for
testing.
So
you
got
to
keep
in
mind
that
most
people
are
just
left
scratching
their
heads,
their
loved
one
dies
and
the
conversation
dies
out.
S
U
U
So
by
reading
the
material
and
hearing
you
speak,
I
mean
it
appeared
to
me
that
and
I
may
be
wrong,
that
it's
more
radar
is
more
prevalent
in
those
who
have
basements
and
that
and
if
that's
the
case,
that's
you
know,
that's
fine,
but
if
it's
not
probably
need
to
know
that
too,
because
it
could
be
everywhere
because
you
mentioned
schools
and
I,
don't
know
if
all
of
them
have
schools
and
the
other
thing
comes
to
mind.
U
Okay,
if
we've
got
this
issue,
so
how
many
certified
radon
inspectors
do
we
have
in
Kentucky
I,
don't
know
one?
Maybe
you
do
and
if
you
do
that's
I
hope
you'll
share
that
and
how
does
someone
become
certified?
Do
we
have
a
shortage
of
that
to
detect
if
we've
got
a
problem?
How
do
we
attack
it?
How
do
we
fix
it,
how
to
get
Beyond
it
to
recognize
it's
one
thing,
so
how
do
we
fix
it?
T
So
if
I
may,
representative,
McCool
I'll
I'll
take
that
first
question
and
I'll
turn
it
to
the
others
at
the
table.
To
answer
some
of
your
other
questions,
the
type
of
construction,
the
type
of
home
construction
does
not
matter.
Every
home
has
the
potential
of
having
radioactive
radon
enter
through
cracks
in
the
foundation
or
any
of
the
other
crawl
spaces
opportunities.
That
I
mentioned
earlier.
It's
commonly
thought
a
misperception
that
a
house
has
to
have
a
basement,
but
that
absolutely
is
not
true.
Every
home
should
be
tested
for
Radon
Kyle.
R
Sure
and
I'll
just
add
on
to
Shannon's
comment:
there
are
three
conditions
that
you
must
have
in
order
to
have
a
radon
problem
number
one.
You
have
to
have
a
source
number
two.
You
have
to
have
a
pathway
into
the
building
and
it
doesn't
really
matter
what
the
foundation
type
is,
whether
it's
a
basement
or
a
crawl
space.
It's
is
there
a
pathway
into
the
building
and
the
final
component
would
be
a
driving
force,
whether
that's
a
mechanical
stack
effect
here.
It's
prevalent
that
it
would
be
the
thermal
stack
effect.
R
So
the
only
the
only
structure
that
that
would
not
have
a
potential
for
a
radon
issue
would
be
a
treehouse.
Everything
else
is
is
fair
game
in
regard
to
the
number
of
certified
Professionals
in
the
state,
I
I'm,
estimating
that
there
are
two
EPA
recognized
proficiency
programs
and
we
didn't
want
to
create
a
big
bureaucracy
here
at
the
state
level.
So,
instead,
what
we've
done
is
we've
just
acknowledged
that
those
proficiency
programs
are
sufficient.
R
They
are
operated
and
maintained
under
epa's
guidance,
and
so
here
in
Kentucky
and
surrounding
states,
we
have
in
excess
of
400
qualified
professionals
to
do
the
work
and
that's
yeah,
so
we're
we're
well
suited
to
take
on
this
work
and
a
lot
of
this
work
is
done.
It's
I
estimate
somewhere
around
15
percent
of
our
real
estate.
Transactions
already
are
having
the
home
tested.
R
So
it's
basically
empowering
consumers
to
make
an
informed
decision
and
unfortunately
they
just
don't
have
the
the
information
to
make
that
decision,
and
we
see
that
that
happening
in
in
other
states
and
I
think
the
final
question
representative
McCool
was
what's
the
process,
so
the
process
there's
really
three
components
to
the
industry
per
se:
there's
the
measurement
or
characterizing
to
determine
if
the
building
does
have
a
problem,
that's
a
cry!
That's
a
certification,
there's
mitigation
or
mitigating
the
occupant
exposure.
R
So
there's
remediation
and
mitigation
in
in
the
environmental
World
remediation
is
removal
of
the
source
and
mitigation
is
just
mitigating
exposure
to
the
source,
we're
obviously
not
able
to
remediate
radon
because
of
the
uranium
and
and
whatnot.
So
it's
mitigation
and
the
way
that
we
do
that
think
of
it
as
a
glorified
vacuum
system
between
the
sub
foundation
of
the
building
and
the
building.
So
we
changed
the
pressure
differential
of
the
building
so
that
you're
not
being
exposed
to
radon
or
any
other
soil
contaminant.
R
For
that
that
matter
and
we've
been
outside,
where
within
two
to
four
feet,
the
radon
dilutes
safely
to
outdoor
concentration,
which
around
here
is
about
0.4.
G
S
S
Physician
and
that's
another
thing
I
advocate
for,
like
especially
as
women
like
don't
rely
on
your
GYN
like
you
know,
and
she
knew
me
well
enough
and
she
just
ran
a
check,
sticks
right
too,
because
I
was
in
my
early
50s
and
looking
at
my
heart
and
that
that
showed
a
very
small
Shadow
but
I
like
to
make
it
clear.
The
only
reason
it
showed
up
is
because
it
was
so
early
so
that
image
is
really
dense
and
actually
shows
up
on
an
X-ray.
A
CT
scan
is
the
only
way
to
truly
determine
lung
cancer.
S
However,
most
of
the
people
I
meet,
they
have
a
call.
They
I
didn't
have
symptoms
of
lung
cancer.
It
take
it
took
a
long
time,
so
they
have
other
symptoms
like
they're
coughing
or
they
have
they
take
an
x-ray.
It
looks
like
pneumonia
and
they
they're
not
seen
as
somebody,
so
it's
treated
that
way
for
a
long
time,
which
is
what
I
discussed
when
I
talked
about
that.
So
she
she
referred
me
to
a
pulmonologist
who
did
the
CT
scan.
S
That
is
where
I
got
stuck
in
the
system
for
two
and
a
half
years,
even
while
they
they
monitored
it.
Our
friend
actually
was
the
radiologist
who
told
us
keep
looking
at
this.
It
could
be
lung
cancer,
thank
goodness,
but
that
radiologist
not
really
a
fault
of
him.
I,
don't
mention
his
name,
because
that's
what
we're
stuck
in
right
now,
he
just
kept
and
I
said.
S
Even
though
I
grew
up
around
secondhand
smoking
right
on
yep
nope,
the
percentages
are
so
small
and
we
finally
had
to
get
a
second
and
third
opinion
before
I
could
get
the
surgery
to
have
the
nodule
removed,
which
is
why
that's
when
I
woke
up
to
the
news
and
even
and
so
early
symptoms,
there's
no
pain,
sensors
in
the
lungs,
so
we
often
have
to
find
it
another
way.
I
have
one
girl
from
Elizabethtown.
She
actually
had
a
stroke
because
her
her
initial
nausea
was
near
her
heart.
S
Another
girl
just
told
me
that
she
had
neurological
symptoms
because
she
had
already
had
Mets
to
the
brain
and
we're
talking
about
I've
known
some
people
that
get
stuck
in
the
medical
system
for
up
to
18
months,
because
they
don't
look
like
somebody
who
could
get
lung
cancer
and
that's
it
I.
Don't
look
like
what
does
lung
cancer
look
like
we've
defined
it
far
too
long
by
what
we've
been
taught
that
it
looks
like
and
again
that
feeds
the
stigma.
That's
so
unfair!
S
You
know
my
whole
family
smoked.
It
doesn't
matter
if
they
had
gotten
lung
cancer,
I'd
been
just
as
devastated
or
as
passionate,
but
you
know
it's
really
educating
the
population,
that's
not
being
heard
or
protected.
So
that's
where
my
voice
came
in,
but
yeah
mine
just
was
found.
Incidentally,
that's
why
I'm
sitting
here
today,
but
everybody
you
saw
on
that
screen
and
most
people
I
meet,
found
their
lung
cancer
after
it
already
spread
to
other
other
parts
of
their
body,
and
so
I've
lost
several
friends.
S
Actually,
in
that
picture
you
saw
my
32
year
old
friend
Elizabeth
who
lives
in
Jefferson
County.
She
just
passed
away
a
woman
from
Prestonsburg
or
cattle
farmer.
She
she
lost
her
life
two
years
after
Her
diagnosis.
She
just
turned
40.
I
could
tell
you
stories
over
and
over
again
every
one
of
these
people
I
would
tell
you
their
story:
Western,
Kentucky,
I'm.
Sorry,
if
there's
anybody
here,
my
husband
grew
up
in
Bowling
Green.
We
have
a
lot
of
people,
we
know
in
Western
Kentucky.
S
That
would
really
like
to
know
what's
in
those
cave
systems,
so
you
know
all
that's
for
another
day,
but
I
just
hope.
This
is
ignited
some
thoughts
in
your
head
today,
because
I
got
a
lot
more
I
could
say
well.
S
A
S
A
A
This
is
on
temporary
elevator
mechanic
license
discussion
of
House
Bill
249.
If
representatives
are
here,
please
come
forward
and
identify
you
for
yourself,
the
record
and
let's
proceed.
V
Was
on
sorry,
Brian
Crispin
I'm,
one
of
the
parties.
This
is
this
whole
discussion
is
about.
Q
I
am
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
brief
background.
Last
year
we
worked
on
House
Bill
249
via
a
senate
committee,
substitute
to
kind
of
put
some
more
guard
rails
up
and
and
ultimately
expand
temporary
elevator
mechanics
licensure
and
and
gave
it
some
broader
definitions,
but
we
were
obviously
dealing
with
a
waiver
shortage
issue,
so
we
we
expanded
the
language
and
I'm
happy
to
go
into
that
later.
Q
I
want
these
gentlemen
to
tell
their
story
specifically
to
allow
veterans
access
to
Temporary
elevator
mechanic
licensure
with
a
number
of
of
other
specifications
in
there.
But
I
will
let
Ronnie
really
tell
you
how
this
has
worked
out.
W
Well,
we've
had
issues
trying
to
get
Mr
Crispin
license.
He
is
a
veteran.
He
worked
on
medical
equipment,
he
was
trained
on
medical
equipment
for
the
last
15
years
or
so
you've
been
working
on
helicopters
for
the
EMS.
According
to
what
the
statute
says,
that
the
background
should
be
equivalent
and
we've
been
held
to
exact,
and
there
is
no
exact
elevator
industry
in
the
military.
There
is
no
exact
elevator
training
in
the
military,
so
we
have
requested
temporary
license
for
Mr
Crispin
and
it
has
been
denied
on
multiple
occasions.
Q
With
it
well
there,
there
have
also
been
a
number
of
other
denials
from
for
DC
elevators.
You
all
put
forth,
probably
a
half
dozen.
At
this
point.
W
Yes,
last
year
in
December
we
had
put
forth
a.
It
was
the
reason
for
the
legislation
change
or
for
the
wording
change.
We
had
tried
to
get
a
temporary
license
for
a
mechanic
that
had
all
the
qualifications
that
previously
in
the
past
five
ten
years,
we'd
had
no
problems.
Getting
I
received
an
email
back
from
a
person
at
the
Licensing
Division
saying
that
the
wording
of
the
legislation
says
there
has
to
be
a
need.
So
I
called
him
and
I
said
we
have
a
need,
and
they
said
no,
you
don't.
W
There's
mechanics
on
the
bench.
I
said
we're
a
merit
shop,
we
don't
have
a
bench,
they
always
thought
it
was
not
my
problem,
so
we
have.
We
didn't
want
to
come
here.
I
didn't
want
to
be
here.
I
didn't
want
to
bother
you
all
today,
but
we
have
no
choice.
We
can't
our
business
can't
continue
to
grow
without
help.
Q
So,
to
give
you
some
specifics
and
I've
got
the
language
in
front
of
me,
but
we
we
changed
it
to
a
shortage
of
licensed
Personnel
available
and
that
would
is
due
to
a
reduction
of
license.
Elevator
mechanics
employed
by
the
contractor
or
an
increase
in
work
I
want
to
noted
that
we
worked
specifically
with
the
elevator
mechanics
Union
on
this
to
craft
this
language.
Everybody
had
a
seat
at
the
table.
When
we
did
this.
There
were
conversations
we
worked
on
every
word
of
this
with
all
stakeholders
and-
and
there
really
was
no
major
conflict.
Q
We
we
got.
This
worked
out,
took
it
in
front
of
chairman
shiggles
committee,
and
then
it
moved
on
from
there.
The
idea
you
know
specifically
it's
to
to
get
a
temporary
license.
It's
a
State,
Certified
apprenticeship
program,
training
program
provided
by
the
national
elevator
industry,
educational
program
or
the
National
Association
of
elevator
contract
directors,
and
this
is
where
we're
seeming
to
have.
Q
The
issue
is
equivalent
experience,
while
serving
in
the
United
States
military
to
perform
elevator
work
without
direct
and
immediate
supervision,
not
to
exceed
25
percent
of
the
number
of
licensed
Personnel
employed
by
the
elevator
contractor
they're
they're
taking
I
feel
like
when
we're
looking
at
licensure
they're,
taking
the
word
equivalent
to
Mr
Bentley's
point
to
mean
exact.
There
is
no
elevator
training
in
the
United
States
military
in
any
branch,
and
that
seems
to
to
currently
be
our
issue
but
yeah.
It's
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions
along
the
way.
A
Well,
you
know,
in
all
probability,
at
least
on
the
Senate
side.
This
will
go
back
to
the
licensing
and
regulation
occupation
regulations.
It
appears
that
once
you're
asking
for
some
clarification
of
the
language,
or
maybe
some
additional
language,
ultimately.
Q
That's
going
to
be
the
ask:
is
we're
going
to
have
to
take
this
back
and
and
tweak
the
language
some
more?
You
know
to
I
think
to
to
get
it
to
your
point.
Some
some
clarification
on
this
all.
N
I
N
If
you
ever
want
to
do
anything
to
to
hurt
that
and
I'm
sure,
neither
would
you
part
of
that
would
be
the
liability
that
you
put
on
there
too.
It's
how
we
do
these
checks
and
balances
sure,
but
whenever
we
do,
because,
if
you
a
veteran,
had
been
trained
in
something
that
was
very
similar,
then
I
would
look
at
that.
That's
experience,
that's
training
that
would
be
a
similar
form
of
education
and
exactly
would
otherwise
protect
that
industry.
N
If
you're
saying
there
isn't
someone,
then
the
training
that's
very
similar.
Well,
then,
you
would
not
have
that
training
education
experience.
So
if
it's
to
me
and
I'm
going
to
show
my
ignorance,
the
difference
between
working
on
medical
equipment
and
an
elevator
would
seem
very,
very
different.
N
If,
if
somehow,
you
could
show
that
it's
the
same
type
of
Base
training
and
education
experience
that
would
provide
that
level
of
safety,
then
that'd
be
something
different.
So
I
know
that
the
language
will
be
tweaked
onto
it.
But
to
me,
whenever
I,
look
at
any
kind
of
apprenticeship
programs
or
license
or
anything
like
that,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
my
family
is
involved
in
whether
it's
a
ruling
on
somewhere
or
an
elevator
or
escalate
or
whatever,
that
is
that
anyone
working
on
there
has
has
all
those
credentials.
N
That's
what
I
think
whenever
I
travel
to
other
places
whenever
you
know
I
see
that
individuals
didn't
go
through
apprenticeship
program
or
anything
like
that.
I
know
that
my
family's
a
little
bit
less
safe
and
I
think
the
biggest
part
of
this
body.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
those
checks
and
balances
put
in
place.
I
think
that
may
be
the
intention
and
I
I
can
see.
Ryan
want.
E
N
N
But
what
I
worry
about
is
what
what
type
of
what
some
families
are
going
to
suffer
because
of
that,
because
I
do
believe
in
professionalism
and
training
making
sure
you
do
have
all
the
certifications,
because
that's
what
makes
us
great
but
I
watch
whether
it's
all
these
different
professions
in
the
past
few
years,
because
we
have
a
Workforce
problem
and
instead
of
increasing
pay,
to
draw
more
people
in
to
to
encourage
them
to
get
additional
degrees
in
the
training.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
reducing
down
what
the
certifications
are.
V
V
Could
I
address
that,
like
so
specifically
so
elevators
there's,
electric
electronic
controls,
essentially
I've
gone
and
done
a
a
level
of
training,
that's
beyond
and
above
other
than
one
guy?
Who
actually
is
an
electrical
engineer
who
works
for
the
company?
My
level
of
training
is
above
and
beyond
what
you
would
see
from
that,
and
so
I
I
agree
with
you.
Yes,
absolutely,
but
you
know
in
this
particular
instance
and
for
my
level
of
training
I
think
it's
not
really
a
level
of
of
training.
V
That
is
what's
the
issue
here.
It's
just.
How
do
we
is
it
defined?
Well
enough,
and
also
a
lack
of
will
perhaps
would
be
a
tactful
way
to
say
it
to
to
sign
off
on
people
coming
into
the
trade.
Q
Well
and
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
you
also
have
15
years
of
experience
working
on
helicopters
as
a
mechanic
as
well.
Yeah.
V
So
you
make
a
mistake:
people
die
I've,
been
in
that
you
know
profession
and
know
the
stakes,
and
you
know
what
it
demands
and.
Q
And
the
reason
that
we
we
did
this
and
I'm
happy
to
to
show
you
the
language,
because
we
put
some
very
real
guardrails
up
around
this
as
well
is-
was
for
elevator
contractors
to
have
the
capacity
to
get
these
mechanics.
These
temporary
licenses
to
do
maintenance,
specifically
I
mean
really,
that
is,
that
is
the
goal
to
free
up
their.
Q
You
know
permanently
licensed
workers
to
go,
do
installations
and
a
little
bit
more
of
the
heavy
lifting
as
it
were
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
this,
and
it
is
the
it's
really
the
equivalent
experience
language
in
this.
That
seems
to
have
again
caused
the
problem
here.
W
O
My
line
of
questioning
is
similar
to
the
Senators
just
now,
so
he
and
I
were
on
kind
of
a
similar
page
and
I.
Think
what
you
said,
if
you
make
mistakes
people
die,
is,
is
the
whole
reason
that
there's
probably
a
concern,
at
least
on
my
part
here.
A
a
helicopter
mechanic
proves
somebody's.
An
excellent
mechanic
in
it
doesn't
prove
they're
an
excellent
understander
of
all
different
systems,
for
instance,
a
guy
who's
really
good.
At
fixing.
Cars
is
probably
a
really
good
mechanic
and
he
knows
a
Chevy
350
and.
E
O
Little
thing
that
might
go
wrong
in
that
engine
and
can
fix
it
a
lot
quicker
than
somebody
like
me
who
would
have
to
really
work
at
it,
but
with
an
elevator
you're,
you
have
num
numbers
and
numbers
of
numbers
of
safety,
switches,
safety
relays,
red
eyes.
Looking
for
for
things
to
be
lined
up
right,
there's
a
lot
of
different
safeties
involved
with
it
with
an
elevator,
so
I
think
I'm.
Okay,
with
what
what
we're
talking
about
making
sure
we
can
have
good
mechanics
working
on
in
elevators
in
in.
Q
E
O
But
not
without
making
sure
that
that
mechanic
truly
understands
the
safeties
that
are
involved
with
that
elevator.
Just
like
we
wouldn't
want
a
great
elevator
mechanic
to
go
work
on
a
helicopter,
even
though
he
could
do
that
or
she
can
do
that
with
some
training.
There's
a
lot
of
mistakes
that
can
be
made
simply
for
the
lack
of
experience
of
knowing
those
systems
and
when
you
make
mistake,
mistakes,
people
die
and
that
can
happen
in
an
elevator.
O
So
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
thing
that
we
did
to
help
get
good
mechanics
into
the
elevator
programs,
if
you
will
certifications
so.
W
A
a
PhD
coming
down
and
proofread
your
paperwork,
I
mean
he's
been
at
a
much
higher
level
than
any
of
the
elevator
trade
is
and
I
know
you
it's
not
exactly
the
same,
but
it
says
equal.
It
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
exact,
because
there
is
no
exact
in
the
military
elevator
trade
yeah,
but
he
he
is
much
more
qualified
than
any
elevator
man
that
we've
had
working
for
us
in
the
18
years.
That
I've
been
there.
V
Well,
there
there
are
actually
tests,
like
part
of
being
in
the
apprenticeship
program.
There's
tests
that
I've
gone
through
and
like
there's
a
the
two-year
bypass
I.
Don't
Ryan
can
speak
more
in
detail
because
I
don't
know
the
organizational
side
of
that
you
know,
but
before
you
know,
we
really
walked
very
far
down
this
road
or
before
I
even
was
up
to
eligible
to
put
in
for
the
bypass
I
had
to
get
past
that
test
and
I
had
been
following
and
shadowing
in
senior
mechanics.
V
So
it's
not
like
they
grabbed
me
off
the
street
and
they're
like
hey
here's,
an
elevator.
You
know
nothing
to
that
sort.
There's
definitely
steps
that
we
that
are
being
taken
to
walk
through
and
quality
control.
If
you
will
there's.
W
A
program
that
he's
in
it's
called
the
CET:
it's
a
certified
elevator
technician
program.
It's
ran
through
the
naec,
which
is
the
National
Association
of
elevator
contractors.
With
his
experience
and
his
background,
he
was
allowed
to
test
up
to
a
two-year
point,
which
is
what
point
you'd
get
a
temporary
license
from
the
naec.
W
Q
And
and
on
the
the
actual
application,
there
is
an
area
where
you
have
to
extensively
fill
out.
You
know
what
your
specific
military
experiences
is,
because
they
HBC
has
a
lot
of
discretion
here.
Obviously,
they've
proven
that
on
on
who
they
will
issue
a
temporary
license
to
or
not
so,.
Q
The
stuff
we
don't
have
a
problem,
no,
we
and
again
we
worked
with
them
last
year
on
on
this
language,
specifically
it
the
the
folk,
it's
housing,
building
construction
that
has
this
in
their
purview
as
far
as
issuing
the
license.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
obviously
you're
here
today,
because
the
ambiguity
of
the
language
in
the
original
Bill
and
that's
something
someone's
gonna
have
to
address.
I'm,
not
sure
it's
going
to
be
the
purview
this
committee
or
not
again,
could
be
a
licensing
and
go
back
there,
but
appreciate
you
making
them
aware
of
this.
You
know
I
learned
very
early
on
my
Senate
career
that
every
Bill
we
pass
has
unintended
consequences
and
could
be
the
reason
we
come
back
in
30
days
of
sessions
and
to
try
to
fix
those
things
but
appreciate
you.
A
A
Last
item
we
have
a
forest
there's
numerous
regulations
for
review.
Does
anyone
have
any
concerns
comments?
Question
about
any
of
those
we
do
have
folks
here
to
answer
questions
if
need
be,
but
if
there
are
no
questions,
comments
or
concerns
and
we'll
assume
everything's.
Okay
looks
like
everything's.
Okay,
let
me
by
finish
by
recognizing
representative
duplicy.
He
wasn't
here
earlier
when
we
recognized
the
other
members
are
leaving
but
representative.
We
certainly
appreciate
your
contributions
to
this
committee.
Have
you
know
taking
Hardin
County
in
his
relationship
with
Fort
Knox?
A
O
A
Wish
you
the
best
going
forward
any
other
comments
concerns,
if
not
we'll
finish,
with
one
of
bless:
everybody
with
that
wonderful,
Thanksgiving
holiday,
ahead
holiday
season
ahead-
and
this
is
our
last
meeting
during
the
interim
so
again,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
contributions
and.