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From YouTube: Interim Joint Committee on Licensing, Occupations, and Administrative Regulations (6-22-23) - Reup
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Meeting Start 00:00
Roll Call 01:33
Music Therapy Licensure Discussion 03:43
Anonymous Lottery Winners Update 11:15
Universal Licensing Discussion 13:22
Review of Administrative Regulation 53:25
A
Be
with
us
today,
he
sends
his
greetings.
He
has
a
conflict
and
he
will
be
with
us,
be
chairing
the
next
meeting.
A
couple
housekeeping
things
I'd
like
to
go
over
before
we
get
started.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
for
stepping
up
during
Bryce's
long
absence,
I'm
happy
to
report
to
you
that
Bryce
is
back
to
work
and
that
his
son
is
in
remission,
and
so
our
prayers
have
been
answered.
A
As
usual,
we're
going
to
be
hearing
bills,
a
lot
of
bills,
which
weren't
were
not
heard
during
the
regular
session
and
were
held
up
because
they
weren't
heard
so
we're
going
to
be
hearing
a
lot
from
a
lot
of
those
bills
during
the
next
couple
meetings,
and
hopefully
we'll
be
hearing
bills.
Also
that
we'll
be
hearing
during
this
session
I
know
your
time
is
important,
and
it's
important
to
me
too
I
make
a
commitment
that
our
meetings
will
not
last
over
an
hour
and
a
half.
A
Today,
our
meeting
will
not
last
an
hour
and
I
would
also
like
to
ask
that,
during
testimony
that
members
do
not
use
acronyms
when
people
testify,
please
do
not
use
acronyms
that
helps
folks
that
are
not
familiar
with
the
process.
Sometimes
the
chairman
understand,
what's
going
on,
Madam
Secretary
call
the
roll.
C
D
A
A
E
Gerald
Neal
senator
for
the
33rd
district
and
I
have
with
me
Miss
Maggie
shepman,
who
represents
the
music
therapists
I'm,
not
going
to
go
into
a
lengthy
thing,
because
I
think
she
can
you've
heard
some
of
this
before
and
I'll
just
bring
your
attention
to
this.
Is
this
bill's
about
establishing
a
licensing
board
for
professional
music
therapists?
E
It
will
help
to
ensure
that
individuals
receive
safe
and
effective
therapy
from
qualified
and
professional
practitioners
and
promote
the
profession
and
offer
a
mechanism
for
oversight,
accountability
and
protection
for
both
the
public
and
music
therapists.
With
that
being
said,
I'll
yield
to
Miss
Chapman
to
get
into
some
of
the
substance.
Thank
you.
F
My
name
is
Maggie
shetman
certified
and
I
am
a
co-chair
of
the
Kentucky
music
therapy
task
force,
as
well
as
a
music
therapist,
currently
working
at
Bluegrass
Navigators,
providing
music
therapy
services
for
hospice
and
palliative
care
patients
and
their
bereaved
loved
ones.
Thank
you
to
the
committee
for
letting
me
share
with
you
today,
I'm
here,
to
share
more
about
why
it
is
important
to
increase
music
therapy
access
in
Kentucky
by
creating
a
music
therapy
license.
F
F
Music
therapists
are
Allied
health
professionals
who
provide
music
therapy
services
using
research-based
techniques
and
interventions
to
work
towards
Health,
rehabilitative,
Developmental
and
educational
goals
in
Kentucky.
There
are
currently
117
music
therapists
who
hold
the
credential
of
Music
therapists
board
certified.
F
These
professionals
have
completed
rigorous
education
and
training
requirements,
and
they
are
committed
to
providing
high
quality
care
to
their
clients.
In
my
own
practice
of
music
therapy,
I
use
Music
interventions
to
work
with
some
of
Kentucky's
most
valuable
vulnerable
residents,
those
who
are
receiving
end-of-life
care
and
their
families.
F
My
days
are
filled
with
visits
focused
on
using
music
to
reduce
symptoms
associated
with
the
dying
process,
such
as
pain,
dyspnea,
confusion,
providing
opportunities
for
patients
to
have
meaningful
interactions
with
their
loved
ones,
working
with
patients
to
create
lasting
Legacy
projects
and
much
more
along
with
my
formal
University
training
and
1200
hours
of
clinical
training.
I
also
continue
to
learn
how
to
best
serve
my
patients
through
specialized
music
therapy.
F
F
It
would
also
help
to
raise
the
visibility
of
music
therapy
as
a
profession
and
would
make
it
easier
for
people
to
find
music
therapists
in
their
area.
We
believe
that
music
therapy
is
a
valuable
service
that
should
be
available
to
all
kentuckians.
We
urge
you
to
support
music
therapy
licensure
so
that
more
people
can
have
access
to
this
valuable
service.
Thank.
G
I
think
Jeremy
shickle,
how
I
said
it
last
year
and
I'll
say
it
again:
Senator
Neil
and
Miss
Chapman
I
think
this
is
an
Avenue
that
that
definitely
provides
benefits
to
patients.
I
know
in
my
lifetime,
I've
been
to
the
Marquee
Cancer
Center
there
at
UK,
numerous
occasions
and
while
I'll
be
the
first
to
admit
those
has
not
been
the
highlights
of
my
life.
I
do
know
that
the
patients
that
I
visited
have
appreciated
and
often
commented
about
the
music
that's
sometimes
piped
into
there
and
how
much
they
enjoy
it.
G
E
Ahead,
I
just
want
to
point
out.
This
is
not
really
an
outlier.
We
have
something
similar
here
that
we
do
in
the
area
of
art
art
therapy.
It's
also
evidence-based
in
basically
effective
as
well.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
That
being
said,
I
think
I
think
we
have
enough
information.
If
you
have
any
other
questions,
I'll
be.
A
Thank
you,
Senator
I
just
want
to
make
a
general
statement
as
chairman
of
the
committee
and
looking
at
these
issues.
I
think
everyone
agrees
with
no
one
argues
with
the
therapeutic
value
of
Music,
certainly
not
myself.
I
grew
up
in
a
singing
family
and
loved
to
sing
and
love
to
be
around
people
that
sing
and
find
it
to
be.
Quite
a
stress.
Reliever
same
is
true
with
art.
A
My
father
was
an
artist
and
but
I
kind
of
felt
the
same
way
when
we
approved
that
that
bill
about
art
also
I'm
a
bit
of
an
art,
collector
love
art.
There's
no
question:
this
therapy
there's
therapy
in
a
lot
of
things
for
a
lot
of
people,
people
who
love
to
Garden
that's
therapy
for
them.
They
love
to
play
Pickleball
it's
therapy.
All
these
things
are
contribute
to
a
well-balanced
happy
life.
A
I
guess
the
question
for
me:
when
I
look
at
it
is
how
far
do
we
want
to
go
with
licensure
and
how
much
of
this
is
about
insurance
reimbursement
and
those
are
just
so.
You
know
how
I
think
of
it
in
a
general
sense.
That's
how
I
think
of
it,
because
over
the
years
we've
really,
we
say,
broaden
the
basement.
We
talk
about
taxes,
but
we've
also
kind
of
broadened
the
base.
A
When
we
talk
about
licensure
I
mean
we're
talking
about
licensing
things
at
seven
eight
years
ago
we
wouldn't
have
done
so
I'm,
not
saying
it's
a
bad
thing,
I'm,
not
saying
it's
a
good
thing,
but
it's
that
is
part
of
what
what
I
look
at
when
I
consider
these
things.
But
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
It's
great
to
have
you
here.
I,
really
appreciate
your
patience,
Senator
Neal!
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
I
A
And
you
approached
me
with
this
during
this
session.
If
there
was
one
bill
where
I
was
tempted
to
break
my
rule,
it
was
this
one
because
it
certainly
seems
or
one
bill
I
was
it.
It
certainly
seemed
like
a
common
sense,
great
thing
or
a
good
thing
which
you're
proposing
I
see.
Senator
Thomas
has
a
question
you're.
G
I
Well,
the
lottery
is
the
whole
basis
of
the
lottery
is
look.
What
I
did
look
what
you
could
do
so
I,
don't
want
to
hurt
The
Lottery
by
not
allowing
them
to
ever
publicize
I,
don't
think
the
lottery
will
have
any
interest
after
one
year.
You
know
it'll
be
on
to
bigger
and
better
things,
but
I
don't
want
to
hurt
The
Lottery
by
not
allowing
them
to
do
the
kind
of
publication
that
they
might
need
to
sell
tickets.
A
A
J
K
M
M
J
Certainly,
I
want
to
start
out
by
thanking
senator
schickel
for
allowing
me
to
come
and
testify
here
today
and
I
also
want
to
give
a
special
thank
you
to
representative
Callaway
and
representative
timony,
who
sponsored
this
legislation
when
I
filed
it
last
go-round,
House
Bill
343
is
the
universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licensing,
and
so
essentially,
all
that
this
bill
does.
Is
it
expands
on
existing
law?
That's
currently
in
place.
J
2
creates
a
shall
issue,
so
it
takes
the
hand
out
of
the
boards
to
prevent
anybody
from
getting
in
that
they
just
may
not
want
to
get
a
license
in
order
to
get
a
license
here
in
our
state.
You
have
to
have
a
valid
occupational
license
from
another
state.
You
have
to
have
at
least
had
that
license
for
one
year
and
you
must
be
in
good
standing
you.
J
You
cannot
have
a
disqualifying
criminal
record
as
determined
by
this
Commonwealth,
so
we're
not
Outsourcing
that
to
the
Judgment
of
any
other
legislative
body,
no
board
or
jurisdiction
can't
have
revoked
that
license.
So
you
can't
have
Bad
actors
from
other
states
moving
in
that's
a
public
protection
issue
and
you
can't
have
any
complaints
or
allegations
against
you
in
another
state.
Once
those
complaints
are
resolved,
you
can
come
in
and
make
that
application
and
get
in
here.
J
Kentucky
is
unique
in
the
sense
that
we
have
a
number
of
Occupational
licenses
that
other
states
don't
have.
So
in
order
to
address
that
issue,
we've
created
a
provision
where
someone,
a
state
that
doesn't
recognize
taxidermist,
for
example,
I,
believe
that's
one
that
we
have
that
Indiana
doesn't.
So
if
you
have
at
least
three
years
of
experience
as
the
bill
is
currently
written,
you
can
come
in
and
qualify
for
that
occupational
license.
J
I'll
probably
reduce
that
down
to
one
year
next
session,
when
I
refiled
this
legislation,
but
you're
still
subject
to
all
those
same
requirements
that
were
in
the
the
previous
section
for
those
licensed
and
then
I
do
want
to
address.
You
know
the
issue
that
nothing
in
this
denies
a
private
entity
from
denying
someone
an
occupational
license.
Should
they
not
wish
to,
should
they
not
meet
the
qualifications
of
that
Private
Industry
and
there's
also
a
section
in
here
that
it
doesn't
bypass
any
existing
state
law.
J
So
if
we've
passed
a
compact
or
we
or
there
is
a
quicker
route
for
someone
to
get
licensed,
we're
not
repealing
we're,
not
removing
that
legislation,
we're
simply
allowing
you
know
we're
painting
with
a
broad
brush
to
cover
a
myriad
of
Occupational
licenses.
I
think
that
we
have
about
126,
maybe
which
takes
me
to
the
arch
bridge
Institute
report.
Each
of
you
should
have
it
in
your
packet
and
to
move
quickly
through
it.
I
will
highlight
on.
J
This
is
a
an
excellent
report
of
all
National
Occupational
licenses.
Kentucky
is
the
sixth
most
burdensome
state
in
terms
of
Occupational
licenses,
so
in
terms
of
a
short-term
Workforce
Development
issue
passing
this
legislation
will
allow
us
to
move
people
into
our
Workforce
and
that
that
ranking
is
on
page
11..
If
you
go
to
page
14
of
the
report,
it's
a
national.
J
It
shows
everyone's
national
rank
on
the
the
map
of
the
United
States,
and
you
can
see
that
Kentucky
is,
has
the
highest
barrier
among
all
of
the
states
around
us,
including
Ohio
who's,
21,
Indiana,
48,
Illinois,
being
45
Missouri
50..
So
all
of
our
neighbors
have
low
standards
that
allows
our
people
to
leave
and
they're
people
not
to
come
in
and
then
I'll
point
out
to
you
very
quickly
and
then
I'll
be
done
on
page
32
is
Kentucky
standard.
J
K
Thank
you,
chairman
schickel,
and
members
of
this
interim
Joint
Committee
for
listening
to
me
today
as
I
share
my
strong
support
for
Universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licenses
before
I
get
into
economics.
I
actually
want
to
share
personal
anecdote
in
early
2017
I
was
living
in
the
DC
area.
I
had
a
newborn
daughter,
who's
actually
sitting
back
there.
If
you
guys
saw
her
and
my
husband
and
I
realized
we
could
live
anywhere.
K
But
the
problem
is
that
one
out
of
five
workers
cannot
as
easily
choose
Kentucky
when
they
try
to
enter
the
state.
Suddenly
their
qualifications
that
work
in
another
state,
their
occupation.
They
have
slowed
down
when
they
come
into
the
state,
and
so
it
makes
it
difficult
for
other
families.
Other
people,
other
workers
to
choose
the
state
like
my
family,
was
able
to
do
now.
Imagine
if
we
did
something
like
that
with
driver's
licenses.
K
K
I
also
want
to
emphasize
this
point
in
2018
and
2019.
This
assembly
actually
already
allows
for
Universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licenses.
It
does
so
for
veterans,
military
personnel
and
spouses,
which
is
a
normal
sleep.
Wonderful
thing
to
do.
It
makes
it
easier
for
military
to
move
here
for
their
spouses
to
be
able
to
continue
to
work
and
help
provide
for
the
family
and
for
veterans
after
they
leave
the
military
to
come
and
stay
here,
and
that's
amazing
that
is
10
of
our
labor
force.
K
It's
not
that
big
of
a
leap
to
then
allow
it
to
be
the
rest
of
the
labor
force
and
we
have
not
seen
any
negative
benefits
or
negative
consequences
of
allowing
those
individuals
to
have
the
universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licenses,
but
we
will
see
huge
upsides
I
estimate
that
it's
3
800
additional
workers.
If
we
allow
for
Universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licenses,
these
are
people,
some
of
who
are
already
in
the
state
and
either
underemployed
or
maybe
they're
working
in
the
shadow
economy.
K
These
are
people
who
would
move
into
the
state
because
it's
easier
for
them
to
come
here.
So
where
does
this
number
come
from?
There
are
20
states
that
already
allow
for
Universal
recognition
of
Occupational
licenses.
20
States,
the
arch
bridge
Institute,
did
a
study
in
which
they
looked
at
the.
What
the
results
of
those
changes
were.
It
would
be
the
equivalent
in
Kentucky
of
3
800
workers.
K
A
L
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
chickel
and
members
of
the
interim
joint
committee.
Thank
you
so
much
for
considering
my
testimony
and
also
for
allowing
me
to
testify
virtually
I'm
a
shashana
Weissman
I
work
on
regulatory
policy
at
the
R
Street
Institute,
which
is
a
think
tank
that
focuses
on
free
market
solutions
to
Niche
problems
and
Licensing
reform
is
Broad,
but
it's
also
kind
of
niche
as
well
and
HB.
343
was
particularly
of
interest,
because
this
would
move
Kentucky
to
join
about
20
other
states
with
universal
licensing
recognition.
L
If
this
legislation
is
enacted,
it
would
join
20
states
that
currently
allow
people
to
acquire
licenses
based
on
licensure
and
actual
work
in
other
states,
those
that
have
enacted
this
reform
have
seen
substantial
benefits.
It
will
encourage
people
to
move
to
Kentucky
and
enable
current
residents
to
get
back
to
the
specialized
work.
They
know
best.
One
study
found
that
quote
the
migration
rate
into
states
with
universal
recognition
increased
by
about
0.77
percentage
points
or
48.4
percent,
which
is
huge
among
individuals
with
low
portability
licenses
after
the
policy
change.
L
It
also
found
a
huge
benefit
for
trailing
spouses
for
people
who
have
already
moved
to
Kentucky,
but
when
their
spouse
had
a
license
in
that
state
and
were
unable
to
be
licensed
here,
improving
licensing
recognition
for
the
spouses
of
our
service
members
is
particularly
important,
as
military
families
often
spend
only
a
short
time
in
one
place
and
34
percent
of
military
spouses.
Work
in
professions
that
require
licenses
well,
I
know:
Kentucky
has
already
made
reforms
here.
L
L
This
is
particularly
wise
in
light
of
the
covid
pandemic,
in
which
various
medical
professionals
needed
to
work
in
different
states
and
move
there
quickly
and
work
there
quickly,
but
in
other
kinds
of
emergencies,
from
floods
to
tornadoes,
the
availability,
the
availability
of
more
licensed,
plumbers,
electricians,
contractors
and
others
would
improve
this,
the
state's
safety
and
ability
to
recover
from
disaster.
So,
as
you
consider
this
legislation,
we
encourage
you
to
think
about
the
benefits
it
would
provide
the
Commonwealth
Not
only.
L
A
J
It's
my
understanding
that
that,
during
the
covid
emergency
we
did
expand
those
the
availability
of
out-of-state
people
to
come
in
and
I
believe
those
laws
are
still
in
place,
so
we
wouldn't
be
taking
anything
back,
that's
already
there
in
existence.
Essentially,
we
wouldn't
even
be
touching
the
healthcare
industry
as
I
understand
the
current
scope
of
the
law.
A
N
Mr
chair:
okay,
often
there
are
incidents
that
do
occur
and
they
sort
of
get
shoved
to
the
side
in
other
states
and
unfortunately,
sometimes
there
is
a
pattern
that
is
established.
Our
Employers
in
the
Commonwealth
going
to
be
able
to
get
all
the
information
from
other
states
on
the
patterns
that
have
occurred
in
other
states.
J
The
way
that
I
would
Envision
Envision
this
is
that
anyone
that's
applying
would
have
to
go
through
that
application
process.
They
would
have
to
certify
and
submit
a
certificate
of
good
standing
with
their
existing
state,
for
example,
I'm
an
attorney.
This
doesn't
cover
attorneys
but
I'm,
also
licensed
in
Massachusetts,
and
when
I
got
licensed
in
Massachusetts
I
had
to
submit
certificates
of
good
standing
and
and
certify
that
I
was
in
good
standing.
J
We
have
that
same
protection
here,
so
if
you're
coming
in
from
out
of
state
you've
got
to
certify
that
you've
done
nothing
wrong,
that
everything's
clear
and
in
fact
we
can
block
those
those
Bad
actors
from
coming
in.
As
far
as
on
the
employer
side,
you
know
that's
up
to
them
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
individual
they're
hiring
has
the
equi
the
adequate
and
appropriate
licensing
and
qualifications
to
to
meet
that
standard.
If
that
makes
sense,.
K
J
And
where
I
come
from
and
the
reason
that
I'm
running
this
legislation
hairdressers
so
in
Northern
Kentucky,
we
have
a
number
of
hairdressers
that
just
simply
cannot
get
licensed
here
in
Kentucky
now
we
did
pass
a
compact
last
session,
which
should
hopefully
ease
that
burden,
but
that's
a
big
one
I
had
a
number
of
people
after
I
filed.
This
continue
to
text
me
to
call
me
to
ask
to
see
if
this
legislation
was
going
to
move,
because
they
were
considering
whether
they
moved
to
Ohio
or
whether
they
stay
in
Kentucky.
J
So
that's
certainly
one
area.
Another
one
is
is
with
respect
to
contractors.
I
am
consistently
doing
litigation
regarding
contractors
that
have
done
poor
poor
jobs
at
people's
houses
and
oftentimes
I
see
them
using
guys
out
of
Ohio
that
don't
meet
the
appropriate
State
Licensing
here
in
Kentucky.
So
if
we
can
allow
people
to
come
in
and
to
use
it
out
of
state
licenses,
we're
going
to
have
better
work
done
here.
O
A
H
J
J
Sure
it
we
we
are
leaving
that,
to
some
extent
up
to
the
other
states,
but
I
think
that
that
generally
in
most
occupations,
that's
been
sorted
on
kind
of
a
national
level.
For
the
most
part,
it's
the
same
as
a
compact
right,
we're
hoping
that
we
meet
the
same
minimum
standards,
but
oftentimes
things
are
different.
One.
H
More
question
please
Mr,
chairman
first:
would
you
think
about?
Maybe
our
boards
or
licensers
of
our
licenses,
accepting,
in
other
words
instead
us
saying
that
they
have
to
accept
the
licenses
of
other
states
that
those
boards
or
those
entities
would
be
able
to
check
them
out
and
agree
to
them
or
not
and
then
blank
it
where
they
wouldn't
have
to
go
individually.
J
I
think
that's
a
compact
and
the
others
could
jump
in
if
they
want
that.
That
would
that's
just
a
different
way
of
Occupational
licensing
and
accepting
people
I
think
we,
if
we
did
it
individual
and
piecemeal
by
every
license,
we're
also
going
to
get
into
a
situation
where
we
have
more
licenses
here
in
Kentucky
that
other
states
just
simply
don't
have
I.
A
P
P
So
if
you
have
a
state
that
say
borders
us
that
won't
allow
Kentucky
occupations
to
come
and
operate
in
their
state
under
this,
this
type
of
agreement,
but
then
Kentucky
is
allowing
people
from
that
state
to
come
in
and
operate
in
our
state.
That's
unfair
competition
on
behalf
of
our
home,
state
occupations
and
I
think
that's
a
real
problem
with
this
bill
because
it
doesn't
require
reciprocity
with
those
other
states
and
uniform
guidance
within
those
situations.
The
other
issue
is
that
buy
licensing
occupations
in
our
state.
P
J
You
know
many
states
around
us
have
already
enacted
this
legislation.
Ohio
enacted
it
Virginia,
enacted
it
last
legislative
session
by
not
enacting
it
we're
actually
putting
ourselves
at
a
competitive
disadvantage.
Go
back
to
that
archbridge
Institute
map
that
shows
we
are
the
most
restrictive
out
of
anybody
around
us
once
again
we're
becoming
the
donut
hole
here
in
Kentucky.
J
C
E
C
Representative
Doan,
you
had
said
that
and
it's
just
clarification
on
what
Senator
Douglas
asked
and
representative
play
NRA.
You
had
said
that
I
heard
that
you
told
Senator
Douglas
that
it
would
not
include
health
care,
but
then
you've
answered
to
representative
Flynn
or
incident
only
excluded
lawyers.
So
can
you
clarify
because
they're
I
think
especially
with
the
conversation
about
all
the
procedures
that
Kentucky
does
not
allow
and
that
other
states
do
allow
that
could
present
a
lot
of
concern.
L
F
C
J
Yeah,
allow
me
to
clarify
that,
oh
it
is
so.
The
bill
is
universal
occupational
licensing,
so
any
occupational
license
all
the
way
down
to
your
no
soliciting
licenses
down
at
your
cities
Universal.
So
it
would
cover
every
industry.
My
response
to
Senator
Douglas
was
that
and
the
folks
in
the
back
from
the
hospital
Association
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
may
misunderstand
the
current
law
as
it
is.
That
happens,
but
I
think
that
we
already
have
that
in
place
where
we
allow
the
reciprocity
from
other
states
for
those
folks
to
come
in.
D
J
This
bill
does
create
safeguards
against
Bad
contractors
or
bad
people
out
of
state
that
that
don't
meet
our
or
that
have
had
complaints
before
it's
in
section
two
one
see
that
our
excuse
me
it's
in
section
two,
one
where
we
make
sure
that
they
have
certificates
of
good
standing,
that
there's
no
existing
complaints
against
against
them
and
that
they
are
qualified
and
licensed
in
that
other
state.
Thank.
A
Welcome,
okay,
I'm
gonna:
ask
that
you
folks
step
back
to
that
first
row
and
then
I'm
going
to
have
everyone.
People
here
that
want
to
speak
in
opposition.
We've
got
Rush,
we've
got
Joe,
we've
got
Julie
come
on
up
here.
You
can
also
the
table
together.
One
big
happy,
family
and
and
representative
don't
stay
close
by
in
case.
We
need
to
get
you
back
up
here.
A
Q
Q
Take
about
two,
hopefully
also
the
Kentucky
chapter
of
the
American
Council
of
engineering
companies,
which
those
are
your
engineering
firms.
Both
of
my
organizations
represent
Professional
Engineers,
like
the
men
and
women
who
designed
the
roads
and
the
highways
that
you
use
today
to
get
here
that
designed
the
bridges
that
your
children
and
grandchildren
cross
to
go
to
school
and
the
water
treatment
systems
that
you
that
provide
your
constituents
with
clean
drinking
water
back
home.
Q
We
fundamentally
oppose
legislation
that
enables
Universal
licensure
for
Professional,
Engineers,
land,
surveyors
and
Architects,
and
we
that
we've
outlined
some
of
those
concerns
in
the
letter.
That's
in
your
packet,
the
fact
is:
Kentucky
already
has
an
efficient,
proven
process
for
licensing
these
professions.
Q
Licensure
licensure
for
a
PE
in
Kentucky
is
based
on
the
three
E's
experience,
education
and
examination.
More
than
half
of
the
states.
More
than
half
of
the
states
in
this
country
have
the
same
requirements,
but
others
don't
and
those
requirements
in
those
other
states
they
can
vary
quite
widely,
for
instance
in
California.
If
you
have
six
years
of
experience,
you
can
apply
for
a
PE
license
with
only
a
high
school
diploma
in
Texas.
The
education
and
examination
requirements
are
regularly
waived.
Q
If
Universal,
licensure
and
engineer
for
engineers
becomes
law
in
Kentucky,
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly
will
be
surrendering
its
right
to
determine
what
standards
dictate
who
designs.
Kentucky's.
Public
infrastructure
licensure
simply
becomes
a
process
based
on
the
lowest
standards
as
introduced
last
year,
House
Bill
343
went
a
step
further.
Q
It
would
allow
people
with
a
license
in
a
foreign
country
to
easily
gain
a
PE
license
here
in
Kentucky,
for
instance,
if
a
person
living
licensed
in
turkey
or
India
or
Kenya
has
held
a
license
for
a
year
if
they
don't
have
a
criminal
record
and
if
they
don't
have
any
active
investigations
or
complaints
against
them,
then
our
Board
of
licensure
shall
issue
a
license
that
is
concerning
when
applied
to
all
occupations,
including
professional
occupations.
Universal
licensing
is
concerning.
Q
We
urge
members
of
this
committee
to
reject
Universal
licensing
for
for
professional
occupations
like
Engineers
land,
surveyors
and
architects,
honestly
Engineers,
they
solve
problems
and
they
make
our
life
better.
But
when
an
engineer
makes
a
mistake,
people
can
die
please
Safeguard
The
public's
health,
safety
and
Welfare
by
upholding
the
current
standards
for
professional
licensure
in
the
Commonwealth.
Thank
you,
you're
welcome.
R
Good
morning,
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
this
committee,
Julie
Campbell
I'm,
the
executive
director
at
the
Board
of
Cosmetology,
and
not
only
do
I,
want
to
speak
specifically
about
this
legislation,
but
address
representative
Doan's
allegations
that
hairdressers
are
the
big
problem
with
this.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is,
is
reducing
the
sovereignty
and
the
decisions
by
the
board
that
this
legislature
has
provided
to
them
on
who
is
qualified
or
not
to
practice
a
profession
completely
ties
our
hands.
R
The
Board
of
Cosmetology
has
just
signed
a
compact,
and
the
way
this
is
written,
the
lowest
common
denominator
would
be
required
to
be
provided
a
license
in
Kentucky
and
therefore
possibly
be
qualified
to
be
in
that
Compact
and
present
a
danger
to
the
public.
We
are
here
to
protect
the
public
and
it
is
not
about
a
haircut
and
it
is
not
about
a
hairdresser
and
in
the
Board
of
Cosmetology.
R
If
you
provide
all
your
credentials
correctly
and
accurately
in
less
than
30
days,
I
can
have
a
license
issued
to
you
through
the
process
that
we
have
now
now
when
those
credentials
are
not
submitted
properly
or
the
applications
aren't
sure
it
can
cause
delays.
But
it
is
not
on
the
board's
side
that
the
problem
exists.
R
A
S
Hi
I'm
Jill,
Smith
I'm
here
representing
the
Kentucky
Board
of
Architects
I,
have
to
say
I'm,
also
the
National
Council
of
architecture,
registration
board's,
regional
vice
chair
right
now
we
have
a
National
Council
of
architecture,
registration
boards.
It's
a
hundred
plus
year
old
group
that
has
worked
for
reciprocity.
It's
a
that's.
The
only
reason
they
exists
is
is
reciprocal.
Licenses
I
myself
have
four
licenses.
Four
different
states
currently.
S
S
So
two
points
one
limiting
to
a
hundred
dollar
reciprocal
fee
right
now,
our
reciprocal
fee
is
two
hundred
dollars
in
in
the
state
that
doesn't
sound
like
much
does
it,
but
we
have
2
000
reciprocal
licenses
in
Kentucky
for
Architects.
That's
that's!
Reducing
our
ability
to
to
charge
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
may
not
sound
like
a
lot
but
we're
a
tiny
board,
so
that
would
be
a
a
giant
Financial
impact
so
first
place.
We
urge
you
to
look
at
that
limit
on
what
we
can
charge
for
reciprocal
licenses
seriously.
S
Secondly,
it
says
in
this
license
that
you
have
to
have
practice
for
one
year
before
you
can
apply
for
reciprocal
license
right
now,
because
of
the
National
Council
of
architecture.
Registration
boards
immediately
immediately
upon
getting
the
license
in
Kentucky
I
can
go,
get
one
in
Indiana
or
Ohio
or
Tennessee
if
I
want
one.
So
we
don't
currently
suffer
any
problem
with
reciprocal
license
here.
Thank.
T
T
Now
this
was
10
15
years
ago,
so
it
has
been
known
to
be
in
Kentucky,
I
guess:
you've
tightened
up
I
guess
he
was
grandfathered
in
my
question
is
to
all
of
you
guys
is
a
hairdresser,
a
highway
engineer
and
an
architect
say
in
California
or
Illinois
Illinois.
Are
they
substandard
work
compared
to
Kentucky?
Just
in
your
just
conversation,
your
opinion
is
California
highway,
substandard
to
Kentucky
highways,
yeah.
Q
Don't
quote
me
on
that
I
used
to
work
for
the
highway
department,
so
I
would
say
that
our
licensing
standards
here
in
Kentucky
they
have
stood
the
test
of
time.
They
have
changed
over
the
years.
I
think
the
first
license
was
issued
here
in
1938.
The
the
current
the
current
scheme
that's
in
place.
The
current
requirements
that
are
in
place
goes
back
to
1983..
Q
T
Those,
but
that's
not
the
question:
if
you
that's
not
the
question
of
the
day,
the
day
is,
the
question
is:
are
some
folks
in
other
states
that
are
licensed
capable
of
maintaining
the
standards
of
Kentucky
it's
not
about
if
Kentucky's
doing
a
good
job
or
a
bad
job?
Sure?
That's
not.
The
question
can.
S
S
Absolutely
we
do
not
have
a
problem
with
reciprocity.
The
only
issue
we
have
with
the
bill
are
two
issues,
one
making
someone
wait
a
year.
We
don't
do
that
now
and
two
the
the
the
fee.
We
we
do
have
a
problem
with
the
fee.
We
will
not
be
able
to
staff
our
office
if
the
fee
is
limited
to
100
and
that's
you
know,
that's
just
a
general
fund
issue.
That
is
an
impact
that
we
need
changed
when
you
say
do.
I
have
a
problem
with
the
bill.
It's
unnecessary.
A
G
G
I
I
guess
because
I'm,
an
attorney
I,
don't
really
have
a
dog
in
this
fight,
but
but
to
be
fair
I'm
trying
to
think
about
how
attorneys
do
it
and
and
I
do
think
the
bars
of
each
state
because
I'm,
a
member
of
three
bars
as
well
I,
remember
Massachusetts
and
DC,
as
well
as
Kentucky
I.
Think
each
bar
ought
to
have
some
say
so
in
terms
of
who
gets
licensed
in
that
state.
I
just
think
professionally.
That's
probably
a
better
way
to
do
it
and
say
uniformly.
G
J
Sure
it's
a
Workforce
Development
issue.
We
simply
can't
find
people
to
fill
these
jobs
in
these
positions.
We're
not
necessarily
seeding
the
ability
of
those
people
to
come
into
our
state
or
or
to
you
know,
be
unlicensed.
Particularly.
There
was
a
comment
made
regarding
Texas
that
that
just
allows
anybody
to
come
in
and
to
get
this
license.
The
bill
requires
that
education
testing
must
be
done
before
you
can
get
that
license
if
another
state
in
fact
offers
that
license.
J
So
what
we
are
doing
is
just
making
it
easier
for
people
to
come
in
with
respect
to
attorneys,
specifically
that
is
set
by
State
Bar,
currently
the
way
that
it
stands.
If
you
pass
the
MBE
in
just
about
any
state,
you
could
automatically
licensed
in
the
other,
we
had
an
Associated.
Our
firm
leave
he's
licensed
in
Ohio.
He
left
Kentucky
to
move
back
home
to
Georgia
on
day
one.
He
was
given
a
preliminary
license
and
allowed
the
practice
in
Georgia
never
set
for
the
bar.
There.
A
You're
welcome
the
reason
I
said
mentioned,
representative
Meredith's
name
earlier
mistakenly
is
I
had
I
had
I
like
Senator
Thomas
had
what
he
said
on
my
mind.
To
me,
the
issue
around
this
is
is
what
Senator
several
people
on
this
panel
talked
about,
and
that's
the
issue
of
State
sovereignty
and
every
time
we
approve
a
compact
I,
get
nervous.
A
A
You
actually
talked
to
me
about
this
last
year
and
I
committed
to
you
to
do
it
this
year
and
I'm
committing
to
you
right
now
that
we're
gonna
have
another
hearing
on
this,
because
I
think
it
is
an
important
issue
that
needs
to
be
talked
about
from
a
Workforce
issue
and
also
standpoint,
but
also
from
a
state
salary,
warranty
issue.
You
know
who
makes
the
rules
in
the
end
of
the
day
whether
you
agree
with
them
or
disagree.
A
A
The
last
thing
we
have
to
do
today
is
an
administrative
rig.
It's
number
six
and
the
way
it's
explained
to
me
that
we
need
to
approve
this
reg,
because
the
book
The
the
this
is
important
to
the
our
accountants
in
the
state
for
their
testing
process
and
to
be
up
to
date
with
the
oh
good
you're
here,
I'll
explain
it
very
quickly.
Thank.
M
You
very
much
chairman
shakeel
I'm,
Joe,
Donahue
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
State
Board
of
accountancy
and
you're,
exactly
right,
I'm
here
today
to
have
a
board
Amendment
approved
that
will
do
nothing
other
than
update
our
application
to
sit
for
the
uniform,
CPA
exam
to
mirror
changes
being
made
to
that
exam
which
become
effective,
January
1
of
2024..
It's
as
simple
as
that.
The
sections
in
the
exam
are
changing
and
we
would
like
to
change
our
forms
because
they
are
Incorporated
by
reference
in
our
ranks.
We
needed
to.
A
Do
that
I
put
this
on
the
agenda
early,
so
everyone
could
see
it
and
if
there
was
anyone
in
opposition
to
it
to
come
forward-
and
let
us
know,
is
there
anyone
in
opposition
to
it
that
I'm
not
aware
of
very
well
I
believe
this
is
a
voice
vote.
If,
at
the
committee's
pleasure,
I
will
entertain
a
motion.